The Anomalies of Morax | Genshin Lore Analysis

Got some help from my friends @trscih on TikTok and u/Phanes_The_Gigachad on reddit
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Here are some Morax theories if you're interested
❃ Sun God: • MORAX THE SUN GOD | Ge...
❃ One of the 4 Shades: • The Four Shades | Gens...
❃ A Being that existed before Teyvat: • The Mystery of Zhongli...
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:20 Faceless in cutscenes
0:53 Archon Statue
1:34 The Oculi
1:39 Visions
1:44 Story Quest & Constellation
2:05 Archon Gem Lines
3:08 Honkai Expy
4:10 Doppleganger/twin
4:33 Naming the Wanderer
5:04 Title in a different language
6:27 Banner name in a different language
6:52 Ascension material
7:11 Archons & Trees
7:44 Recap
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Tags:
#genshin #genshinimpact #genshinimpactlore #genshinimpacttheory #genshinlore #genshintheory #celestia #zhongli #morax #barbatos #venti #nahida #rukkhadevata #ei #raidenshogun #raidenei #makoto #furina #focalors #neuvillette #honkaistarrail #hsr #honkaiimpact3rd #honkaiimpact3
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[@nothmm8582]

The only other time qhen Zhongli was called Deus Auri was when Orobashi called him the "Golden God". The fact that this title was only used by a Primordial Dragon and one of the few beings who knows the true history cant just be a Conincidense. Talking about History, Zhongli is the one who hints us about the history being altered way before the concept of Irmensul changing history was even brought up

[@itz_childe]

Neuvilette also calls him deus auri

[@The_original_one]

​@@itz_childethe primordial dragon he was talking about is neuvillete

[@itz_childe]

@@The_original_one hehe my bad sorry

[@Rafael57YT]

When did Orobashi talk about Zhongli?

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

Zhongli knows about the old world but I think he's at the behest of the principles so he stays in line.

[@jacobbaumgardner3406]

It’s also interesting as when Morax and Barbados are questioned by the traveler, Venti admits that there are things he cannot say, whereas Zhongli simply tries to avoid the question altogether, and on multiple occasions he does this.

[@kotarouinugami1745]

There was at least one incident where Zhongli said he is under a contract to not reveal that information.

[@jacobbaumgardner3406]

@@kotarouinugami1745yes, but that was specifcally in reference to information about Khaenri'ah.

[@Meiryst]

rosaria is that you? (barbados lol)

[@viablue8143]

@@MeirystNo way, Rosaria would never misspell the name of the anemo archon, Barsibato! She’s a firm believer of Bartobas and would never make a mistake like that.

[@loop-sie1121]

Damn, a country got questioned by the traveller?

[@youreshit4039]

I think people glossed over this but he once said "as you know, I've dwelt upon this world for 6,000 years" key word "dwelt" I think it's odd he didn't say he lived in teyvat, yet he used a word only used by people who aren't from a certain place but live in it. Meaning he's not from teyvat at all, with all the rock related things, could he be like an asteroid? That he fell here or perhaps come to teyvat for unknown means or reasons or causes

[@sageanimations2463]

Wouldnt that mean he is registered as a descender? There are only 4 descenders we know of, the 1st is celestia. The 2nd fought celestia in a great war. The 3rd already died and was split into multiple parts, those parts are being captured by the tsaritsa aka the gnosis. And the 4th is the traveller. He couldn’t be the 4th descender because the 4th descender is the traveller, he couldnt be the 1st because the 1st fought the dragons and the 2nd, and he couldnt be the 2nd because the war that happen between the 1st and 2nd predate zhong li’s creation. And he couldnt ve the 3rd because the 3rd is dead.

[@riyoo9045]

@@sageanimations2463 i think there is certain situation to make you a descender But before you know the word "descender" being used there is "outlander" that i think everybody forgot... Just like the narwhal, its not from teyvat but not a descender

[@The_original_one]

​​@@sageanimations2463from new lore “ descenders" are the people who not only comes from beyon tyvat but also possess a “will" that can destroy, sustaine and create the world if someone do not possess that amount of power thay are not considered as “ descender"

[@kehan6252]

@@riyoo9045 meaning its possible that our abyss sibling is an "outlander". But then again, Irminsul shouldn't have recordings of them. But if Zhongli is also an outlander and Irminsul has records of him, then it's pretty confusing why Irminsul has records of outlander but not descenders

[@youreshit4039]

@@sageanimations2463 this is only a speculation, but being from another world doesn't make you a descender, there are still other requirements to fill for you to be deemed as one by the heavens. As for what those requirements are I think some theorist have already tackled it on reddit or on yt

[@mariapazgonzalezlesme]

You know who else uses cubes? The Sustainer.

[@Rocky-io5vt]

Like that teacher from the Incredibles movie said: “Coincidence? I think NOT!” 😂😂😂

[@krewfanxroblox]

There is a theory about the sustainer and rex lapis because they use a square or primo gem shaped animation shield when they defend or theyre related ( kindaa ) because the sustainer came to fight out a primo gem shaped opening and zhongli also helped Xiao while leaving a primo gem trail

[@spidyboi9097]

DAMN YOU , GEOMETRY!!!!

[@ultimaballer]

@@Rocky-io5vt😂😂😂

[@paris5831]

Shut the front door

[@varunrane4943]

After the 3.2 archon quest, everyone has forgot about Greater lord Rukhadevata due to her memories getting erased from the Irminsul, that means for them Nahida was the one who fought in cataclysm 500 years ago. And we know that those who belonged to teyvat were erased of their memories regarding Rukhadevata since the memories are stored in Irminsul. So for everyone there are 3 original archons Zhongli, Venti and Nahida, but in reality there are only 2 original archons Zhongli and Venti. And those "everyone" includes archons as well, but not in case of Zhongli coz his memory wasn't erased. In one of his voice lines, he still says "Only 2 archons remains out of 7", which means he could either be one of the primordial beings or he's one of the descenders.

[@vukkicos5688]

That was likely an oversight on Hoyo's part, since it was a story added prior to 3.0/Sumeru's plot conception they didnt consider changing it/adding 2 voicelines for before and after completion of act 3 part 5

[@varunrane4943]

@@vukkicos5688 nah nah bruh!!! They've changed everyone's voice line regarding Nahida and Rukhadevata, everyone but Zhongli.

[@kannan07]

​@@vukkicos5688they changed that character story,even the line right before it But not it Ya no it's no mistake

[@Puckuu]

Zhongli's character story is changed to "only two of the first Seven remain in positions of rulership" after the events of the 3.2 archon quest.

[@kannan07]

@@Puckuu that still just the same, people can say that nahida wasn't ruling But she's definitely more ruling than the 2 mentioned in the line So it's definitely still about the 2 og archons,who nahida isn't a part of

[@bangtanssera]

Also he remembers Nahida isn’t original Dendro Archon. I’m so ready for Morax’ lore bomb whenever it comes & im sure it’ll come

[@_Nyxus_]

I once seen a youtuber I loved watching claim Zhongli was "boring" and I felt my heart break lmao. Like seriously there's so much about him that we know, that we don't know, and I'm so ready for that bomb to go off and blow our minds. I hope they do it cause he's such a good character.

[@jonathannigel8979]

​@@_Nyxus_I mean they said boring because Hoyoverse storytelling of Zhongli was full of metaphor with way less action. You know, basic OP grandpa who relieves his past days on screen. A troupe many had tried to do. So I understand them, but I also don't agree with them. For us who actually reads and try to understand the lore, he is far from "boring". Like really really really far from it.

[@killer19183]

Lets not forget that zongli isnt described as being born or apeared. But its said "he descended upon teivat"

[@thelostyaksha]

I think Zhongli is from beyond Teyvat but since he doesn't have the "Will" he's not one of the descenders

[@kim_genshin]

Yeah thats also possible, considering he still remembers rukkhadevata and is aware that history can be changed🤔

[@zoro2082]

⁠​⁠@@kim_genshinUmm, he doesn’t remember rukkhadevata and his char storyline’s does changed after irminsul event. It no longer shows only 2 of the original seven is alive. And importantly Char storylines are not a chars voicelines, they both have different concepts.

[@_Nyxus_]

@@zoro2082 Zhongli has also said in a line "history is not easily changed." He doesn't say history can't be changed cause most people say "the past is the past and that cannot be changed," but he suggests it can't be EASILY changed, suggesting he does actually know that it can, and has, done so.

[@ivana3263]

@@_Nyxus_ really? because that line is very similar to the one mage "n" said. except she added that gods might have a slim chance, and we saw how that turned out in fontaine.

[@_Nyxus_]

@@ivana3263 Yeah it's waaaaay back after an archon quest I think. Another lore searcher found it and it was interesting that he mentioned it before Sumeru

[@citoyenneteavanttout7273]

Here is a non exhautive list of things we found odd about that dude : He appeared in Teyvat in a very very odd timing (the great calamity, the fall of the seele race, the fall of the solar chariot and the destruction of the hall of stars) Mora is his flesh and blood as stated by Paimon : was minted from his Golden body and given to humans in trust, Mora can be found in places as reclused as Enkanomiya Mora is the Catalyst for the art of transmutation Is the Prime/ancestor of the Adepti, granted them part of their illumination in the form of arts and techniques ''Mystic Knowledge'' : Alchemy, sigils, subspace creation, dream trawler ... (Jueyun Karst is the realm of the mighty and illuminated adepti. But other than the ability to control the elements of the world, Jueyun Karst is also home to three other untold secrets: Alchemy, Sigils, and Sub-Space Creation.) Extremely knowledgeable. Venti said: ''If knowledge were a form of power, one could even say that you're wielder of unlimited strength'' Which is very odd considering that indeed, knowledge can be a form of power. He was the one who taught the Adepti the different kind of arts that they use, and he is being described as wielding those with even more power, that could understand the amount of power he had during the archon war, prior to receiving any authority. Neuvilellette explicitly states that a physical confrontation with him is very unlikely (very powerful? very reasonable?...) He seems to have something to say that nobody knows, hence the ''Contract'' which is very odd because 1) we have already encountered beings that have or inherited more knowledge than him and that we have access to the knowledge in Irminsul via our acquaintance with Nahida. 2) we have access to older beings such as Neuviellette and Apep that have access to knowledge that predates Teyvat. Is literally the ''You heard it here first'' of Genshin : - was the first one to tell us that we can witness the ''True'' history of Teyval (funnily enough he said almost the same thing about himself :'' My identity may change, but my eyes will bear witness to the history of humanity.'') and point to the possible tampering of memories - was the first one to refer to us as ''Golden'' : you'll continue to shine like Gold in my Memory - was the first to talk about Fate as a mission rather than a destiny - pointed at the cyclicality of Teyvat ''So here lies the wisdom of the gods? Destroy all deemed redundant, enlist tyrants to ravage the wilderness!'' also ''Morax shared with us some of his power, to prevent further erosion. But... it was futile. Everything returns to dust. It is the natural order, an unstoppable force.'' - Azhdaha, the lord of geovishaps, older than the mountains, said he's gonna live till the end of time deemed to a lonely existence. - A lot of people misunderstand the concept of erosion: Though the erosion is described by Azhdaha as ''the world's greatest destroyer of memories.'' Zhong Li is repeatedly stated to have an exceptional memory, he said : '' Personally sealing away an old friend... this is just one form of erosion I have endured. People abandon and surrender the things they love to pursue the right path. Perhaps this is the erosion imposed on me by the Heavenly Principles.'' -he also referred to visions as contracts, and notified us that there is a price to pay for the wielder. Sussy lines about Zhong Li : His acension climax has something very bizzarre about visions that EVERYBODY missed : "I see. Using a Vision harnesses elements. As far as the common folk are concerned, this is no small feat. So... back then... they were aware of this as they stood beside me..." Who are they ? when is the back then ? what is he talking about ? Madame Ping: The teapot that you entered previously was a little trinket created using that ability. Paimon: So, in the eyes of any adeptus, creating a magic teapot world is just child's play, huh? Madame Ping: Indeed, the teapot is nothing to boast of. One such as myself must depart from this realm to create a world of one's own. Rex Lapis, on the other hand, moved mountains and seas... That is what one might call an exercise of true power. (basically shaping the landscape of Liyue like a realm) The very sussy line that made Zhong Li gasp : Kun Jun: All powers under heaven, rise and fall of land and sea... (Zhong Li's CN ult) Jiu: ...A star appears within the wild... a sun ascends as bright as... jade... (still thinking about that one) Funnily enough, when you go to the transmutation table, or finish crafting the emblem is oddly similar to what the squarish thingy he wears on his back, and when you enter domains, same thing, the square is there (even funnier, the emblem of the transmutation table is the sun surrounded by tree moons haha) Weapon ascension materials that talk about Rex Lapis: An elixir of the highest quality. It embodies a state of intertwining order and chaos, and is said to mirror how the world was when it was first created. Of course, a certain someone knows that this was not the case. (Morax maybe ?) The stone spear has a glimmering core formed by the power of the defeated gods. Their hatred is not directed at Morax, however, for they have lost themselves a long time ago and are incapable of holding personal grudges. (They were touched by corruption ????) Rumors of sea monsters are commonplace in Liyue, since the other shore is an unknown region that lies outside of Teyvat. Without the protection of The Seven, all that lies beyond is unknown chaos (Abyss ? other place ??). Only power beyond the order of Teyvat is able to stain the power of Rex Lapis black. The coastal nations of Teyvat refer to the region beyond the protection of The Seven as the Dark Sea. It is said that many defeated gods refused to live under the new order of The Seven, so they fled to remote islands and became evil gods. However, their powers came from the same source as Rex Lapis, separate from this all-devouring darkness. Soraya also implies a strange thing : she subtly stated that it was maybe Rex Lapis that killed Guizhong, and some theories are stating that she died not overpowered by other gods, but because corruption- took a tole on her thus why her death liberated "black dust". This would explain the character being "wise and eager for knowledge". some even say that since Adepti master the art of sigils : sealing their consciousness in objects, the Memory of Dust must still contain fragments of Guizhong. Archaic Petra also stated that he did indeed seal many of his friends because they broke the contract ? what was the contract ? or what was the Archon war really for? Prithiva Topaz Gemstone : "The currencies that flow through this land are my flesh and blood. For thus did I become the guarantor of the people's hard work, wisdom, and future. This is the trust I have placed in them. Betray it, and you taint my blood." The curious thing is, Mora/Gold flows in the Leylines, I have yet to see anyone analyzing this, shall I note that Ley Lines are a network of elemental energy and memories of everything that has lived in this world, both on the surface and down in the Abyss. I hope somebody can analyze that thoughtfully. Basalt Pillar (dropped by the Geo Hypostasis) : A pillar formed by the shell of a Geo Hypostasis, composed of high-density Geo energy. It is a testament to Geo's status as the heaviest of the elements. Maybe the reason a Geo Hypostasis creates this pillar out of its shell and raises itself is just to get closer to the sky, not to combat enemies. His TCG card reads : "Vago Mundo" Zhongli A hidden gemstone can illuminate the whole earth, bright and unrivaled as a star. it's rather intresting because at least to me, the meteor he drops in his burst looks like a gemstone hidden under a pile of rock. I will update this list as long as I find new oddities but these are the ones that came to my mind at the moment.

[@kim_genshin]

Yeah and theres also a theory that alchemy was created by morax, i remember reading a post about it on reddit🤔

[@_Nyxus_]

If you update this any further please reply to me or something cause I want to see what else you come up with on this. He's very sussy and mysterious and I want to see what others pick up that I've missed (cause unlike Zhongli my memory is garbo)

[@citoyenneteavanttout7273]

@@_Nyxus_ I'd be happy to ! honestly my memory is garbage too ngl 😂😂🤣🤣

[@citoyenneteavanttout7273]

@@kim_genshin If any, he could have simply brought knowledge to Teyva that came from outside as the traveller said the art of Alchemy is used in other worlds but as a secrative practice. Not only that, it seems like the various links between Gold and Morax, and Gold and Alchemy makes it today almost unfathomable that the two cannot have some kind of link, more can be found in Albedo's voice overs : "Chalk pursues gold, in this time inopportune, the eclipse is swallowed by the crimson moon." "Chalk pursues gold" is a reference to the four stages in creating the Opus Magnum" Citrinitas is the final stage of the alchemical transmutation process. The meaning of the object being transmuted has finally been brought to light, becoming gold and revealing its true value... I too have found my own meaning. Oh, by the way. Did you know that without human manipulation, you would need to harness the power of a sun eight times the size of our own in order to naturally create gold? Even his last cnstellation is Chrysos, Bounty/Gnerosity of Dominator. In CN Gold and Jade, Distribute Gifts to the Heaven, the Earth and the Four Directions. More on that : "Khrysos (Gold) is a child of Zeus; neither moth nor rust devoureth it; but the mind of man is devoured by this supreme possession." That would explain why he said that he undergoes a form of erosion different that is the one that affects the other beings of Teyvat, memroy loss, you can interpret that in various ways For me I even find it funny that the character that is most related to Alchemy was given a Geo vision, and a lot about Gold, not particularily Reindottir, but as an ore can be found in his description. Afterall creating GOLD is the epitome of the mastery when talking about Alchemy, and it was something Morax did effortlessly. I mean at this stage I don't know how some people still claim he's just a retired God that likes to sip tea and throw errands upon us.

[@kim_genshin]

@@citoyenneteavanttout7273 your analysis is very interesting. Do you have discord?

[@lucifersiaz4620]

You forgot the most important ones like morax created adeptal arts which a whole different kind of power system than the elements while others only use their elements. Second morax creation of mora is used for whole teyvat so he basically influence whole world with his power unlike other archons. Third he most likely created alchemy which used throughout the whole teyvat as it is mentioned that alchemy was born in jeuyun karst plus even gold(rahendottir) mentioned that alchemy orginates from earth which again no archons have done

[@jacobovega2402]

Mora wasnt exactly created by Zhonglis power but by the Geo Gnosis. He even says it in game that now that he doesnt have the Gnosis he cannot mint any more Mora. Wich btw. Idk how the World literally running out of currency isnt highlited as a problem.

[@zaraki942]

@@jacobovega2402 He is still able to create mora but he doesn’t because it’s not a mortal power. Mora comes from his flesh and blood, not the gnosis.

[@yharnamiyhill787]

​@@jacobovega2402common misconception, but no. Mora came from ZhongLi's body and blood - not from the Gnosis. If I recall, Mora was used as a currency before the Gnosis was established to the Seven.

[@choco5629]

​@jacobovega2402 zhonglis powers arent affected by the gmosis, he doesnt need a vision. He did infact create and institute mora

[@ziephel-6780]

Traveler said that they seen alchemy before in other worlds. Zhongli descended onto Teyvat and resided there for 6000 years, before Khaenri'ah and the art of Khemia were ever made.

[@sinclaire5479]

It is also interesting that he is represented as a dragon, i do have to wonder if he's actually a true dragon and Neuvillete is pissed with him for aiding the Usurper. Or maybe even being one of the Usurpers given how Kings are associated with Gold. Zhongli is also the one who names us as witnesses of Teyvat.

[@kannan07]

His eyes are also draconic And before someone comes and says "He's not a sovereign,he's a dragon quilin adeptus" He's not a quilin,that dragon is just a vessel, that's why he can disregard it We've never seen his true form,and we don't know what he actually he He's not an illuminated beast either, because illuminated beasts are morax's subordinates who got their illumination from.morax Morax himself isn't a part of them And as for "adepti" That word refers to everyone who was allied under morax Anyone who was part of liyue during the archon war is an "adepti"

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

I don't buy this theory of being a dragon sovereign. If he was, surely Neuvillette would have recognised him as one. There are many dragons, not all of them are Sovereigns and not all of them are true elemental dragons from the elemental realm. Also, all the gods and their creations are considered usurpers by the dragons. Zhongli wouldn't be unique in that regard. This was first established by Azhdaha's malevolence, then Apep and finally Neuvillette. The biggest indicator for Morax is that he predates Teyvat as was established since the war against the 2nd throne at over 6000 years. Also, he's described as having descended or fallen on to Teyvat. He's often linked to a dragon or a being which came from the old world but his lore doesn't fully line up with that for the aforementioned stated reasons.. so what's left.. His lore lines up with 3 possibilities imo: 1, Being the sun shade or Phanes, 2 or a being which comes from Celestia, 3 being a morning star. 1. I don't think he's the sun shade/Solar chariot or whatever because that is said to have returned to the heavens and in any case, Morax was still young around this time. Also I think the Solar chariot is Phanes, which Morax is too young to be, supposedly. 2, I think is most likely, being an entity descended from Celestia but what kind is harder to pin point. 3, I don't think he's a Morning Star because I think that fits more entities like Lumine and Aether. Anyway, we wait and see, for sure, he's an anomaly. At least among the archons.

[@ismailahmed7921]

he's not a dragon. its one of his forms. its an exuvia which is like the outer skin of an insect. its more a dragon-qilin hybrid.

[@riyoo9045]

Nah, that qilin form is based on chinese myth. It's like a heavenly being, so thats why he appear like that in front of his liyue citizens But that qilin form is just like the zhongli human form, they are just skin

[@The_original_one]

​@@F1ll1nTh3Blanksi think he comes from beyon tyvat but not a descender because he do not possess that “ will"

[@yama8124]

I had always think Zhongli is an avatar or personification of a stone or the earth. One thing i noticed about Zhongli is he sometimes talked about himself as if he was a rock/bedrock/earth. I mean it shouldn’t be weird for other archon as well, since they are elemental spirit, but Zhongli’s true nature was never revealed, thus theories of him being descender, sun god, dragon, etc. I also find it odd that his constellation define him as God of Stone (Lapis Dei), or God/King of Rock in other language. The other Archon used a concept they are god of, like Song, Shadow, and Wisdom in their constellation, while Zhongli’s is rock instead of his other fancy titles like contract, history, or wealth/commerce. In fact, if his story quest title becomes his constellation, there is nothing weird since Zhongli himself is like a living history book. Perhaps it’s also related with the fact of him being the Lord of Geo even before Geo Archon is a thing. Based on Zhongli’s 2nd story quest, ores have the ability to record events, and the hardest it is, the clearer the memory. Zhongli had very good memory he remembers every person he met. Him being 6000 years, the biblical age of earth, seems to fit well if he is some sort of avatar/spirit of stone or even the earth itself. Gold/mora being his blood also fit well since gold were found from within the earth. In the description of Wing of Shimmering Galaxy about a poet-obviously-not-Venti were trying to talk to the Sea, Sky, Stone, and Star to console(?) them. The first two kinda replied by signaling some natural phenomena, and only the Stone actually talked to him that totally sound like he is Zhongli that got annoyed by Venti (he’s telling the poet to not pour wine on his head). In Dendro Wing, there also a description about a conversation between a Wind taking form of a human (obviously Venti), a talking stone (obviously Zhongli), and a wooden thing made of electro (probably Ei cuz she’s a puppet, and she also already had artificial body even before Raiden Shogun), told by the Dendro Archon to a human in a dream. Anyway, my point is, Zhongli is not the only one who called himself as if he’s some sort of sentient rock, because these stories also refer him as a talking stone. Of course it could be just a figure of speech by likening him to the element, or the story is some sort of allegory to avoid being altered by Irminsul.

[@Cajun_Seasoning]

Perhaps, just as Nahida/Rukkhadevata is an external avatar of the Irminsul, Zhongli is an external avatar of the earth itself

[@sakibjunas4058]

Zhongli is just too OP and mysterious to just be a mere archon. I hope we can get to reveal his true identity (if he has one)

[@DIABOLICSECRET3000]

And also morax’s archon statue looks the coolest 😘

[@kim_genshin]

Wish we could sit on it😞

[@_Nyxus_]

@@kim_genshin YES. I want to sit

[@chloebahuaud8397]

Zhongli also doesn't seem to be affected by changes in the Irminsul. After Wanderer and Rukkadevata rewrote their story, many lines changed in character's story or voicelines. Except Zhongli's who still says there is still only two Archons remains from the first generation (Venti and himself) while Nahida is now seen as the first Archon!

[@kehan6252]

Neuvillete refers to him by a name that means "God of Gold". Geo's color itself is Gold. Gold in Genshin is a character from the Hexenxirkel who works with alchemy (uses chalk from the 'earth' to create life) Alchemy originated in Jueyun Karst (according to what some comments said, I could be wrong). Morax also brought Adeptal Arts (something completely different) while the other archons use their respective elements. He was also able to bring Xiao out of that Chaotic Space and created that tool to bring the traveller and everyone out of that Space. I think it's about time that Genshin starts focusing the story back onto Venti, Zhongli, and Inazuma (We still have no Dragon of Electro and an NPC mentioned there is something underneath Inazuma)

[@kim_genshin]

The "thing" underneath inazuma is the abyssal corruption

[@theysaidimasian9766]

Maybe orobashi was the dragon sovereign of electro, and well... she killed him Can also argue not, since he was never shown or stated to be able to use electro, or any elemental powers directly

[@helium829]

I don't think Orobashi is the seven sovereign

[@Daniel-xs1bx]

@@theysaidimasian9766 No, Raiden would never have the strength to kill a primordial dragon, they are beyond the archons, secondly, Orobashi was already referred to as a god and not a dragon

[@Daniel-xs1bx]

@@helium829 No, Raiden would never have the strength to kill a primordial dragon, they are beyond the archons, secondly, Orobashi was already referred to as a god and not a dragon

[@zachlap3020]

I believe the lack of features on morax’s face in the cutscenes might be because of how old morax really is. As time passes, details in stories fade away

[@___..Blade..___]

There is also a lore about "Mist veiled elixir" item from Liyue which states that a certain someone were present when the new world was created 6000 years ago. If only there was someone that is really old and connected to Liyue. Hmmm...who could it be-

[@deannerodriguez2208]

Lol someone attacked me for pointing this out as Zhongli...srly, if they're gonna say its not true then they should atleast give me a reason why than just saying "Just because Zhongli is an old doesn't mean he's the mysterious person" -_-

[@___..Blade..___]

​@@deannerodriguez2208Haha some people are weird. He is both old and mysterious lol. Whatever they are on, that's some good copium XD.

[@deannerodriguez2208]

@@___..Blade..___ I just know if they asl them to give me a character who can fit the description better, they'll likely to say "We probably haven't met them yet, Zhongli isn't the oldest man in Teyvat"...LAME!!

[@AndrewsMobs]

Where was it said that the new world was created 6000 years ago?

[@archetype0021]

​@@AndrewsMobsIn your mums diary

[@kannan07]

In all other statues,the archons seem to he worshiping it or just have that holy feeling While morax's is him holding his cube in a kingly manner,unlike the others,hes not worshiping the cube or anything like that nor does the cube look like a thing of worship,on the other statues,the focus is kinda on the balls,but on morax's,hes the centre point Now,this is probably just a stretch lol

[@Koenna99]

A good chunk of these could be Hoyo making the god of the region based on their own country more unique then others (Like having no double). But the amount of mysteries around Zhongli makes sense. He is ANCIENT even compared to the rest of the original Seven, the farthest back we have of Zhongli's past (as far as I can find with a quick search) is 3,700 years ago....that's still 2,300 of unknown.

[@kotarouinugami1745]

It's hard to say anything about that far into the past, but I'm under impression that Zhongli is old enough to be one of the "shining shades" of the primordial one. Or even one of the dragons that fought the Primordial one and were eventually defeated.

[@The_original_one]

​@@kotarouinugami1745the problem with him being a primordial dragon is that celestia will not make a dragon soveraign part of the seven .the archon system was created just to suppress the old order in the first place .

[@kotarouinugami1745]

@@The_original_one And the way I see it, it would not put a shining shade in the position of authority either. But in truth, we do not understand just what celestia has been thinking ever since the Second came. And I do not trust Neuvillette's info any more than Enkanomiya info. And it's always possible that Zhongli was not important enough to be mentioned in the history books or for Celestia to fear him, but he was there anyway.

[@The_original_one]

@@kotarouinugami1745 u have to trust neuvillete info more because neuvillete actually was there ( in his past life) but the writer of the “ before sun and moon" isn't there to witness the writer was just a scribe for istoroth.

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

@@citoyenneteavanttout7273 50K? At most 7K, at least that I can find.

[@ChainedThoughts]

Don't forget that Zhongli is the only one who shares similarities to the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles. Both of them share a star light ability. Both have cubes. Both are mysterious. Zhongli's 'nail' resembles the Celestial nail. His character story 5 remains unchanged. Also, his C6 'Chrysos' is the Greek God of Gold. Just randomly, he has Greek in his lore. Like, what?? Zhongli prepared us for history change (Sumeru Archon Quest) and erosion (Dainslief's quests).

[@Cajun_Seasoning]

The message in his character story 5 in unchanged, but the wording was changed after the Sumeru archon quest, meaning what is said is completely intended.

[@Aferaline]

​​​@@Cajun_Seasoning the changed part was only for 1st pharagraph. The next paragraph about "Five Departing" from the table leaving only him and anemo archon literally have meaning that the five are "dead" in cn is intact.

[@abdalazeemal-mashaqba6600]

Zhongli is descender like traveler but he's bond with a contract with the primordial one ..... that's why he doesn't take action against celestial despite being the strongest character we know of.

[@maiafay]

The Genshin Wiki has wrong info saying he’s affected by Irminsul while two paragraphs later they say his story was altered to include him and Venti as the original two of the seven left -when if he was affected by the whole Rukkhadevata fiasco then it should say he is one of the 3 remaining of the 7. No one has corrected this.

[@_Nyxus_]

Zhongli has also stated that "history cannot be easily changed" suggesting he knows history has been changed in the past and can actually change, so I think he knows more than he lets on about this.

[@captaindanger13]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="181">3:01</a> Focalors said something similar enough to that quote in the fontaine archon quest act V just as the quotes on the other gems were similar but not word for word to what the archon says in their archon quests. So technically it's just Zhongli who hasn't said something like the gem quote in the liyue archon quests.

[@captaindanger13]

neuvillette's constellation is one he made up for the melusines because the melusines wanted to read his fortune or something like that but he didn't want to expose himself as the hydro dragon. idk how he's able to do that, tho.

[@amouramarie]

Maybe Zhongli is literally the planet, in the way the Traveler is a star and the Narwhal is a black hole.

[@randomalternate]

Actually I’m pretty sure that Zhongli’s hsr counterpart is Dan FENG since one of the Dan Feng statue’s monologues basically quotes Dan Feng saying Zhongli’s words (“i wish not for dominion yet I cannot watch the common folk suffer…”). Also add here Dan Heng with Osmanthus flowers on his official art, both having chinese dragon inspiration and one earring!

[@Dragonlord826]

I remember hearing a theory that he might be a descender based on how out of place and secretive he is.

[@user-biscut]

Zhongli's statues have cubes because they symbolize the earth in Chinese mythology. Zhongli is also referred to as the Golden God by Orabashi (as one of the gods he could not best, i.e., one of the reasons Orabashi fled into the dark sea).

[@alexanderericson8628]

You want to hear a cracked theory of mine? What if the cube Zhongli is holding is the Metatrons cube. The evidence in his statue were you can clearly see him holding a cube. Now I am sure you know what this is but for your audience. In sacred geometry, Archangel Metatron, the angel of life oversees the flow of energy in a mystical cube known as Metatron's Cube, which contains all of the geometric shapes in God's creation and represents the patterns that make up everything God has made. These duties tie in with Metatron's work overseeing the Tree of Life in Kabbalah, where Metatron sends creative energy down from the top (the crown) of the tree toward all the parts of creation. Hmm if we only had a tree in the game responsible for creation, oh we do? It's called Irminsul? "I have dwelt upon this world for nearly 6000 years..." To be continued.

[@praetorianrex5571]

Clever use of promoting Chinese culture by making Liyue a huge iceberg.

[@songsayswhat]

I've believed since the beginning that Zhongli will play a vital role in the end game, and could very well become a reluctant antagonist (especially if under contract). All the archons, but especially him, are playing some game out of sight of Celestia. Whether they play it in unison is another matter. I suspect that Zhongli, like Wanderer, knows what's off about the world and (perhaps like the Traveler's twin) plans to break the cycle. That's why they asked the Traveler to bear witness: History can be rewritten. I wonder how many times that's actually happened in Teyvat?

[@kannan07]

My theory is that zhongli is either a sovereign or 1 of the shades Either of them would explain nuevillette's hostility to him in particular,his tone when talking about zhongli is more serious,and more angry than about venti snd ei

[@silverhawkscape2677]

If his tone stays consistent even with Murata and The Tsaritsa. Like he has the same tone after all she's done like the one he had for Ei.

[@AkinaAdanashi]

I wouldn’t take the EN voiceover tones as super reflective of the story writer’s intentions though, because the VA’s have been known to go in their own direction. For example, Tighnari’s CN voice was always super calm and collected compared to his original EN voiceover In the CN voiceover, Neuvilette isn’t really hostile at all. He just sounds serious when talking about Zhongli, but placating when he says that we shouldn’t worry if we don’t want to see them fight. I was honestly confused why everyone was saying Neuvilette hated Zhongli when I didn’t get that feeling at all from his voiceover. He sounds cautious but curious more so, and treats the whole thing like “well I gotta judge all of them, even if you like them traveller, sorry”

[@garden_lotus]

I remember seeing a theory that he’s actually a dragon from the Honkai Star Rail universe

[@deannerodriguez2208]

There has to be something they’re planning for Zhongli, even the Raiden states his story (journey?) isn’t done yet, maybe referring to his lifespan but it feels more than that, especially he’s not only connected to one but two (Maybe 3 with his line and the Latin connection to celestia) creatures not from Teyvat or atleast current Teyvat. First Traveller(A freaking Decender) and then Neuvilette (The Reincarnation of a Sovereign) if that’s not a hint of something big, then Idk what is

[@lightefilit]

Sovereign dragons are FROM Teyvat tho

[@deannerodriguez2208]

@@lightefilit They are, until PO changed it entirely. With all of the talk about Old world which what Teyvat is with the Sovereigns reign. Basically; Old world: Sovereigns Teyvat/New: Primodial One Safe to say the Sovereigns are creatures outside of Teyvat. I know Neuvillette is an reincarnation, but kinda hard to say he IS a creature of Teyvat when his ancestors aren't and he is the reincarnation of the Hydro Sovereign...still sussy for Zhongli to be connected to when they're only 2 of +70 characters whose story quests aren't named after their constilations

[@lightefilit]

@@deannerodriguez2208 I really don't understand how you came to that conclusion. Just because the Primordial One created a new world order, doesn't mean the previous world order was set up by similar aliens to Teyvat and not its original inhabitants. Sovereign Dragons literally have the primal connection to Teyvat, its elements, its life and the planet's resources. They are PART of Teyvat and were born there, were world's first life.

[@AndrewsMobs]

@@deannerodriguez2208 "Old World" refers to the previous order, the continent is still Teyvat and the sovereigns are a part of it.

[@Dazaiburger]

in Chinese exact translation for words " rex lapis descended" means he demoted or abdicated/resigned himself from celestia stating he's someone who's actually from celestia and he's demoted from there as an archon, it actually makes sense since he also says somewhere like perhaps erosion is one of the punishment imposed to him by the heavenly principles...which means it's some kind of punishment for not agreeing with their terms or something that's why he's demoted as an archon..

[@Alicewillbepresident]

I think there is a lot of evidence to point toward him being the sun god that crashed into Teyvat. 1. Albedo said that in order to create gold, you need the power of a sun. 2. As you said, he is called the Golden God. 3. There is a book (can't remember which one) that says "In the beginning, Rex Lapis descended." 4. He is hinted at being a descender, which aligns with the Sun God crashing into Teyvat and creating the chasm, I believe. In one of his story quests, he talks about finding a way to engrave histories truth because and I quote "History records, but, history may be changed" - He knows about Irminsul. Also, if you look in his character story after Rukkhadevata deletes herself, his character story still says that only 2 archons remained after the cataclysm, which means that he is not affected by Irminsul - just like a descender.

[@47thSteelLegion]

You cooked🔥. The fontaine quest gave us a lot of answers and a lot of questions. Yet Morax still remains one of the greatest mysteries in the game

[@batmansenpai9493]

So is Paimon 😂

[@amdanas962]

​@@batmansenpai9493 nope,,, she's just an emergency food ready to be cooked🙂..

[@Hyperflow]

You can see the DRAGON SCALES on the insides of his clothing in his splash art. SUS ! So maybe he not only an original seven archons, but also an original dragon sovereign....

[@Dudezizcool]

Morax is just built different💪

[@mel_101]

Maybe the reason why the elemental oculi are round and the geo one is square, is because it’s geo. Like every element is (except cryo) is fluid and malleable. Geo isn’t. I feel like that cryo oculus would be square as well, since it’s hard and brittle.

[@jacobovega2402]

Well yes but no, By this logic Sneznayan visions should be square aswell just like Liyues. But both Arlechinos and Childes Visions are circular

[@deannerodriguez2208]

We already know their vision shapes with Childe and Arlecchino and its round. Maybe in Natlan, but so far the shapes aren't because of the element or Archon powers. Kim even pointed out that the effects and the objects the statues hold doesn't represent the Archon's powers as Nahida got square based attacks yet hold a sphere

[@mel_101]

@@jacobovega2402 I don’t think visions correlate with oculi, idk. Maybe liyue visions are just special since liyue is in the middle of the region and very important (the game developers are Chinese). Maybe they wanted to express that liyue is in the center of everything so they made the vision square. Might be stretching it a bit lol

[@nwoDekaTsyawlA]

Morax is definitely not from Teyvat. He himself stated that he came to Teyvat around 6000 years ago, he wasn't born or created there. The problem is that he doesn't seem to be one of the three previous Descenders either, so it's hard to pin him down. It's possible that he was originally from Celestia but got "demoted" to wander around Teyvat. I have always thought that the cutscene of the "Geo nail" is very weird, it's almost as Morax himself was thrown off Celestia, and possibly created the Chasm. There's also the story about the chariot that represented the Sun, fell to the ground and was then sent back, but apparently none of these events match the timeline of Morax arriving to Teyvat. Morax is still heavily linked to the sun and gold. I believe the actual history of Teyvat has not only been tampered with, it contains temporal loops and that is why a lot things don't make much sense on a linear timeline. Just like Ei planting the Sakura tree 500 years into the past.

[@gabbyisinpain]

i think the archons make the deliberate choice to stay on teyvat instead of being in celestia bc i think the manga implies venti used to stay in celestia. i'm honestly not too sure about it but i think that's correct if that is right, that means none of the archons choose to stay there, which is interesting

[@lpatlau7024]

And he also say he had 'DWELT' in Teyvat not live

[@finns935]

It's theoriezed that Zhongli is from Old World, just like Neuvilette... so.. he's a dragon that accept Primodial One's rule after the defeat of The Seven Sovereigns and his king ( Dragon King Nibelung )

[@wadigkin95]

Hoyo: *anxiously wipe sweat with handkerchief*

[@bobjones4469]

That's cuz he's a visual novel protagonist. Each other Archon are the different routes he can take, including the trap route.

[@goantasebastian2584]

pretty darn sure Zhongli isn't of Teyvat, he himself said it he has been on this world for over 6000 years, and was there at the start of it all

[@Rocky-io5vt]

I could’ve sworn the part about Zhongli’s face not being fully revealed is because he’s supposed to represent a dragon, and if I’m not mistaken, isn’t it bad luck to show a dragon’s eyes in Chinese culture? I do like this one theory that he may be a shade though, but only time will tell who or what Zhongli truly is 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@MoreCRNonYT]

Interesting. Then why were Azhdaha's eyes shown in the cutscene involving him and Morax?

[@Beesbeeswhatsonthemenu]

I was wondering if it had something to do with the mask of solitude basalt.

[@Rocky-io5vt]

@@MoreCRNonYT I wouldn’t know about that, but maybe Azhdaha its cuz he isn’t considered a real dragon since I think he’s technically based on some of different animal? Like how apparently Dvalin’s based on a certain kind of sea slug? Least he looks a lot like it when I looked it up 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@Rocky-io5vt]

@@Beesbeeswhatsonthemenu I’m not aware of what that is, or maybe I don’t remember it, but maybe that’s the case 🤔

[@MoreCRNonYT]

@@Rocky-io5vt He's still a dragon though like Dvalin so this doesn't make sense.

[@Mixtliredwolf]

There is another possible explanation for why the visions and most themes related to Geo are square and not circular like the other archons. For the Chinese, their country is at the center of the world. It is even the meaning of the way they call their country: Zhōngguó, which means Central Land or Middle Kingdom. If you notice, Liyue's visions have cardinal points. Symbolizing that Liyue is at the center of Teyvat. But yes, Zhongli is definitely suspect in a lot of things. He is very old. Ancient to the point of knowing much more than it reveals. It surprises me that he never met Lumine during her journey with Dainsleif. Because if he meet her, he's a big bastard, not telling anything to Aether, after he helped him with his retirement.

[@aeroscantsee1665]

He already told us he has a contract to not tell anyone anything regarding khaenri'ah.

[@Mixtliredwolf]

@@aeroscantsee1665 that was about Khaenri'ah, not the sibbling. The traveller ask him about Khaenri'ah and what happened there. If he has met Lumine after (because her journey was after the cataclism) there was no reason for Zhongli keep the secret. Unless, there is something in that history that we still don't know.

[@Quan5021]

​@Mixtliredwolf the sibling was summoned in khaneria

[@aeroscantsee1665]

@@Mixtliredwolf The sibling has A LOT to do with khaenri'ah.

[@AndrewsMobs]

@@Mixtliredwolf I think it's obvious that he met the sibling.

[@smol_lil_demon]

last night, I just finished the Sumeru Archon quest where you can name Wanderer (I finished Fontaine Archon quest earlier), I tried naming Wanderer different things to see what will happen because of this video, I tried Neuvillete, it also said the name is unavailable

[@LAUC0603]

I also saw a good theory there in Hoyolab where Zhongli’s relationship to gold, being literally or figuratively made of it, mentioned how his memory is imposible to change and he lied when saying he is suffering from erosion as he remembers everything in detail.

[@Loli4lyf]

my head canon is zhongli is some primordial being (unlike other archons) so powerful celestia is forced to give him the geo archon seat

[@KyleThompsonW]

The element over which he presides reacts uniquely different than all other element combinations, as well.

[@citoyenneteavanttout7273]

THANK YOU. I have yet to see someone pointing out that.

[@Elrog3]

It reacts with the same four elements that anemo reacts with. And neither react with any other. Same goes for dendro.

[@shadowwolfcat13]

I've finally found a video that shares all of the points I have been thinking about for months!

[@gabrielvaranis]

"vago mundo" mostly refers to "empty world", if you're translating to portuguese

[@justacatwithasadface2692]

I think Zhongli actually has said his gem line, though a bit indirectly. "Those who betray them", being [my people and the trust I place in them], "taints my blood", was said as a threat and promise of protection. A similar notion is achieved when he said "those who break contracts shall face the Wrath of the Rock" during the Salt God quest.

[@ItsOkayToBeThis]

He did travel with Alice for who knows how long. Strange. Although I don't think Genshin would do it, it would be absolutely hilarious if he was Klee's father.

[@cringecompilation8105]

Where did you get that info, we know that he met alice but travel no

[@bubovs8109]

@@cringecompilation8105it mentioned in that teyvat guide book written by alice that they were travel partners

[@Shizs]

Alice being Father of Klee? Lmao that would be hilarious but i doubt it

[@AyJeyDee]

​@@Shizs He meant Zhongli not Alice

[@jonathannigel8979]

​@@ShizsWe have futa on Genshin lore now? 😮

[@captaindanger13]

I remember hearing that zhongli has a cube because the symbolism for earth as in rocks and dirt and stuff is cubes. i think it's a chinese culture thing but i could be wrong since it's been a while since i've heard this explanation. hopefully someone can add to this or correct me.

[@TheJH1015]

You are correct. The earth(ly realm) in Chinese is depicted as a cube and the heavens as a circle. That's why Chinese coins have a cube-shaped hole in them, it depicts Earth and Heaven.

[@_Nyxus_]

While this makes sense, it's still weird for them to only have one element being a different shape. Surely electricity isn't round. Wind doesn't even have a shape. And water can take whatever shape it wants. Hopefully there's more to the cube idea than just Chinese culture (though honestly the ties to it is still pretty awesome to know)

[@SomeStuffNLH]

either he is a sovereign that retired due to his contracts with celestia or something because he said that he signed a contract before it all began, which could be referring to the old world (before the world was called teyvat)

[@leshyaedawnfire]

Another interesting thing to take into account is that Zhongli is called the Prime of Adepti. This title implies that he is some form of "progenitor" for either the other Adepti or their powers. In addition, the titled part of his Sacred Name (which most Adepti have) translates to English as "The Sovereign Lord". Most other Adepti's Sacred Name titles translate to "The Perfected Lord", in reference to their having reached some form of enlightenment. The only other known exception is Xiao, whose Sacred Name title is "Great Sage" instead. Also, Zhongli and Xiao are the only Adepti whose Sacred Names are only two characters long in the original Chinese, as opposed to the other Adepti's four. Me thinks there might be a clue there?

[@citoyenneteavanttout7273]

Can I have your permission to copy this to use in my comment ?

[@leshyaedawnfire]

@@citoyenneteavanttout7273 Absolutely!

[@AnalogOtaku]

zhongli maybe one of the celestial gods of primordial one's rule and just maybe the 2nd descender won the battle against PO and used irimunsel to change the history and even the shades are somehow affected by it and so is zhongli but he somehow knows or feels like somethings a miss?

[@isaacturner197]

1 more anomaly of Morax is just how utterly ancient he is compared to anyone else we have seen in the story. He is over 6000 years old, he's double the age of the Raiden Shogun and Ganyu (Both over 3000 years old) and a bit over double Barbatos's age (2600).

[@Yourmom428]

Venti is older than Ei its confirmed by both Zhongli and Ganyu

[@henrydrago]

This reminds me that Apep said that some dragons betrayed their race and allied themselves with the PO, Before I imagined Azhdaha as Geo's sovereign, but he was found underground by Morax, maybe he didn't even participate in the war, in fact what if the eyes given to Azhdaha were actually Morax's own eyes? is he a Geo Sovereign who betrayed his race? in fact he is the only archon to date who simply "retire" from his obligation without any great explanation, of course he wants the people of Liyue to defend for themselves, but why? Even adeptus disagree with him and help them, also Morax has "many vessels" but for what? Also something that a bunch of people keep confusingly, the war against the dragons, the war of Khaenriah and the war of the archons are not the same

[@_Nyxus_]

But why would Celestia give the authority of a dragon to a dragon if they took them away? I don't know what Zhongli is exactly, but I can't see him as a sovereign because it would go against everything Celestia has done. Giving a dragon back its throne would seem counterintuitive.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

Imagine if Zhongli is just a Dragon Sovereign who simply adapted and evolved himself intoa being closer to Celestia and the other gods.

[@scyelulu360]

Zhongli is such a good and complicated character its so fascinating reading his lore and people's theories about who he is i hope its revealed soon bc i don't want nevi and Zhongli to fight bc i will end nevu if he kills him

[@AndrewsMobs]

Neuv can't kill him anyway.

[@Reader999]

Zhongli op. My guy invented the "Adepti Arts". Is also a master of martial arts. Capable of making space time and manipulating dimensions (teapot for ref). Essentially invented alchemy (mora). Photographic Memory. Being able to create life. Being able to bestow life, quality changes (giving Azdaha the ability to see). Et cetera. Who really is he behind the titles that we come to know him like Rex Lapis, Morax, and more.

[@AkinaAdanashi]

Agree with the above, plus Neuvilette himself says they probably won’t actually physically fight.

[@trashymammal3480]

Thank you legend for another great video!!🔥🔥🔥

[@kim_genshin]

🙏❤

[@figureviews]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="99">1:39</a> Fire visions don't exist, they can't hurt you

[@hmmmooops]

The cubes might be a design thing in-world. The sustainer also uses them, as do the nails. It might be that the old world powers naturally took on cube shapes while the latter magic is naturally round.

[@flop_for_life]

Even if you take out the square things he has bc geo and his ascension material he still has a lot of anomalies, and he also appears in most cutscenes as the sun

[@jeanmasangkay6576]

is that why the geo can crystalize and use the other element as shields cause zhongli is a descender. Plus he does send a meteor with his burst meaning he's not from teyvat

[@mi.smoll.--3768]

i think its very possible hes a descender, because i believe he came to tyvatt in a meteorite? im not sure if that's actually canon but if it was its solid proof to me that he could be a descender, or at the very least have made contracts with the other descenders, thus why he refuses to tell the traveler much about the truth of the world or about their sibling.

[@lightefilit]

Imbibitor Lunae is a water dragon. If anything, he shares more similarities with Neuvillette 😭 Also, I think Cryo Archon's expy is going to be Cocolia, but it's another story. Overall, I agree that Zhongli is an anomaly and doesn't fit in with other Archons much. However, I think we'll be able to draw better conclusions only after meeting Pyro and Cryo Archons.

[@user-qk2xc1oc1q]

It’s true that IL and Neuvillete are both water/hydro, but then again IL is an obvious Chinese/eastern dragon while neuvillete is a western lizard type of dragon (although he does not have dragon form now bc he was reborn as a human). Zhongli is a character whose design is also heavily based on Chinese dragon (the scales on his cloth, and the adeptus form he took). Anyway, I also don’t think DHIL has much parallel with Zhongli except for that they look alike on their appearance 😂 but I think that’s just hoyo’s character design choice. Tbh I think hoyo just likes Chinese dragon themed characters. So they even created an Aeon based on that, and named it Long (meaning dragon in Chinese)

[@lightefilit]

@@user-qk2xc1oc1q oh, I absolutely agree Hoyo LOVES dragon-characters, and those characters also appear to be favoured in story, power, design, etc :D

[@yaB0i_Hawkx]

i love the influx of theories and really awesome lore that i wasn't aware of, since zhongli was someone who intrigued me from the start. I just find it funny, since I'm being around friends who shits on him and online spaces who deem him as a bad person. But I'm fine with that tho (was annoyed at first but grew over it over time), but one thing that still annoys me is calling him boring (staring at my friend), I'm jjust happy about the influx of very interesting lore about him and wish to see more further in the story.

[@f4llenleaves]

Your friends do NOT understand him at all. TBH I automatically distrust anyone who thinks a boring person = calm and proper. Strange theories aside, I could honestly write about how good of a character Zhongli is. He has a wisdom that is comparable to Iroh from A:TLA, except that Zhongli may be a little more introverted. He literally has everything from sleek character design, expansive lore, godly normal attack animations and burst, peak masculine personality, jack-of-all-trades archon skillset (lorewise), banger demo, to a mysterious nature that keeps him relevant to Genshin theorists up to this day. That's why he's my favorite character.

[@noodle4327]

​@@f4llenleaves, OH MY GOD. ATLA fan spotted. I also thought that his wisdom is comparable to Iroh's. Maybe there is someone who gets Zhongli like me...

[@Elrog3]

@@f4llenleaves Zhongli as a character may be on Iroh's level but.. Genshin's storrytelling is not. Its Paimon screeching 60% of the time.

[@skyhart9926]

Is this the reason Geo is so isolated among the elements? and Crystallize seems to be a non-reactive elemental reaction (if you know what i mean)?

[@kim_genshin]

Hmm maybe. But a friend of mine told me about his theory on the crystallize reaction and i explained it here in this video if you are interested kzbin.info/www/bejne/fau4o4OlmLN_ac0si=SnFowSBJgXnCmzvY

[@vistiz]

I was seriously thought that his Honkai Expy is Eden.. because.. She is the “gold” in flamechasers, the exactly same colours palette, in her last words addressed to Mei we see wine. And she decided to die in the ruins of a previous era because she feels she belongs to that time.

[@prismafay702]

He's also one of the oldest if not the oldest archon. If he's referred to the golden one, I think of colors and then I think of the shades from the usurper/primordial one. What if Zhongli is an original shade only Venti knows about cus he's also pretty old? Orrr he could be a dragon cus his form that fell and "died" was a dragon meaning he usually appeared to his people as such. 🤷🏻‍♀️ I dunno, as mysterious as paimon id say.

[@Tsrcih]

THATS WHY HES THE GOAT! THE GOAT!!! 🗣️💯🔥

[@kim_genshin]

🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[@pranesh2027]

Raiden's voice line regarding Zonggli is also odd.

[@kim_genshin]

"I believe his story is nowhere near finished yet"

[@pound9799]

your theories make so much sense

[@kim_genshin]

🙏

[@realxenice]

Considering how what comments said about Alchemy originally being originated from Liyue,this also got me thinking.Is he secretly one of the Four Shades known as The God of Life? I mean we heard nothing about them at all except for Istaroth The God of Time. I mean like we do know that Alchemy can be use to create life and it often associated with a character name "Gold" which again kinda close to Zhongli considering how he also have something to do with a thing called Gold like him being called as the Golden God or Deus Auri. And then alchemy associates with a Albedo which is can be seen as a kind of character that associated with "the creation of life" and guess what,he has a Geo vision too. Also isn't that human meat also kinda made out of Earth too? Of course some might argue that the creation of creatures of Teyvat came from Primodial Sea but if so then that just means everyone is a Fountainian lol and that just doesn't seems right.

[@losteren2756]

zhongli is the original sustainer of heavenly principles he used to work under the original primordial one who is now forgetten due to changes in irminsal later on the unknown god took over zhongli's place as the sustainer of heavenly principles working under the second who came this can aslo be the fight between light and dark as we have seen the unknown god using dark powers and zhongli might have the power of light. Thats why zhongli uses cubes so does the unknown god this also includes the primordial one disguised as paimon and the original sustainer of heavenly principles as zhongli the fact that when zhongli saved xiao there was something primogem shaped just like the unknown god's portal and zhongli's shield have patterns like unknown god's built structures

[@TheNyleve16]

The thing is that he is called the "God of Gold" and Gold is the color of the power that the traveler and their sibbling weild which is also all the powers of the elements combined.

[@JaneShepardLive]

The thing I know for sure is his strong connection to the moons. Idk how exactly he is connected to them but since he's the God of Gold and to create gold you "need to harness the power of a sun eight times the size of our own" (c) Albedo, it means God of Gold and Sun God is the same thing. But is Sun God = Shade of Life? That's the question.

[@ErinShellyMason]

technically the genshin characters are honkai expys, not the other way around, since honkai impact came before genshin

[@juliekm6495]

Deus Oro. Zhongli. Always thought he was much more. Like the Primordial one or the Second who came. In fact I believe Neuvilette looks deep into him… hesitates and asks “Who are you?”.

[@sekaiomiruhitokaminoyume5426]

I mean geo dady is a dragon, remember? You think his power would be like a vision or something? Vivilett told us that the archon powers were fragments from the dragons power, those fragments are represented as orb , zhongli have his original power, he’s just old and under contract

[@_Nyxus_]

Random thought, but thinking about the twins theory makes me wonder if Paimon is the twin of the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles.

[@Dragonlord826]

Well furina isnt Focalor so her gem not sharing the same voiceline makes sense.

[@rsstello]

Just two mentions, that Rex Lapis is also a latin title (= King Stone), and we probably won't hear the phrase from the Hydro Gem because officialy there's no more Hydro Archon

[@ATM77Unleashed]

For my main character Zhongli he hold many answers that us travelers don't know. This is a very interesting topic I like it

[@-libertyprimev1-902]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="426">7:06</a> - "It's not just a Flower... But a Rock!" ~tears of joy~

[@herrscherofhua]

I find all the points you made interesting but i think the doppleganger/expy part is incorrect. The only actual expy archons are raiden ei, venti , bronya and murata. Theresa and nahida share some common features but theres really nothing linking them to the point of being an expy the same way furina and sin mal only have very negligible common traits. Zhongli isnt any expy, he was made before danheng and if he was there would be very little common characteristics, has nothing in common with adam and only has brown hair and old personality like welt. At max people speculate he's inspired bu fuhua being an ancient "celestial" of chinese culture protecting his land but thats about it

[@KillerBlaze]

For the square vs Circle thing it probably has to do with geo as an element. It’s quite rigid and inflexible

[@averageanon5504]

What if it's a Greece gods and Roman gods kinda thing? Deus Auri could be his old title, in a war era where he was brutal and unforgiving to his enemies, maybe even brutish or savage. But then he matures and became Morax, kinda like how Zeus during greece era was an awful god, but during as Jupiter in Roman era, he's more militarized and refined. Morax is the refined, more disciplined Deus Auri. Or could be reversed, he went from Roman to Liyue, due to Roman using Latin. He could've used the Deus Auri way, way back as like a military God, so he could have a kind of "twins" being his older self but also his newer one. I'm probably spitballing tho

[@Julian-Lehmann]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="116">1:56</a> I like that part, they're vibing over there

[@kim_genshin]

We are the exception🗣️

[@pound9799]

please upload more I love genshin theories and lore more that the game itself

[@kim_genshin]

Will do 🤙

[@JujutsuChroniclesFanclub]

My thought is that he is different cause, as some forget, he is one of the few original archons that did not change over time, what I mean is he is and always has been morax, he has given up the role, but he is one of few who lived long enough to see the world change without being changed in some way

[@NortherrorZaGod]

There’s also a thing in one of Zhongli’s story things that he remembers only 2 or 3 original archons are still alive after Sumeru AQ

[@antisocialavarice]

four names; Zhongli, Morax, Rex Lapis, Deus Auri. i’m calling it now, Zhongli is one of the four shades of the Primordial One, mark my words. make sure to come back and like this comment after Khaenriah releases and we reach whatever is beyond Celestia.

[@kehan6252]

I have a theory. Are we certain that the Primordial One was the FIRST outlander who came to Teyvat? There could have been outlanders even before the Primordial One came. We only know that before the Primordial One arrived, Teyvat was ruled by Dragons Sovereigns but nothing more than that. So it's possible there were early outlanders. "Descenders are outlanders who have the will to reshape the Teyvat" - that would mean the 1st Descender is the Primordial One but might not have been the 1st outlander. So my theory is that Zhongli could be an outlander even before the Primordial One came to Teyvat.

[@lightefilit]

You are correct... in a way. They call the Primordial One as first, because that arrival set up a new world order. Before the current "new world" there could've been many "visitors" to Teyvat. Perhaps some are still here because there ARE lands - like actual habitable lands - beyond Teyvat's "borders" which makes it more akin to our Pangaea as one supercontinent.

[@Wishistaken]

Another great theory~ :) ✨

[@kim_genshin]

Glad you enjoyed it