The Apex Problem - The Isle Evrima Discussion

Will apexes be greeted with a warm welcome? or will the only warm thing be the urine running down my leg when I see a 10 ton overgrown iguana charging towards my Cera that I spent 3 hour afk growing?
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[@bergljotisson]

Every survival game that gives liberty over the whole roster for anybody, the vast majority chooses Large Carnivores, because it attracts the average undeveloped mind, the only factor that could prevent it would be making a pain in the ass to grow. Also, you can alt-bite as cerato in water so that deino who bit your ass, you could easily have beat his own back.

[@halfslyced]

Thank you I didn't know that about the alt but lol I was scared he was gonna grab me he was pretty big. But yeah that's what iv been trying to make a point out of... As long as they make it difficult to grow (as it should be) there won't be 50 power hungry toddlers trying to run around as a 10 ton lizard.

[@GoldenDaemonas]

Growing time adjustment alone is not a good balancing system, i personally think that the game should get a currency/point system that is awarded based on surviving, eating your diet / hunting your preferred died dinosaurs and NESTING AND GROWING NEW DINOSAURS (you get a small portion of your decendants points until they reach adulthood). And the currency is used every time you want to spawn as a new dinosaurs. The base cost of each dinosaur type is determined by its relevant position in the food chain (apexes costing the most, while herbivores at the bottom of the food chain cost the least). Then the cost is modified by the amount of players playing the same dino, so the more people playing that certain dinosaur type, the higher the cost will be for the next person who want to choose that dino. Also spawning as an egg reduces the base cost greatly. This tries to solve several issues, one is that people who want to play the more popular choices such as rex, need to try harder to get to do that , so when you see an apex, you know they have truly survived the server long enough to become an apex. the other issue is that food distribution becomes much more even among dinosaurs by encouraging players to play all of the dinosaurs rather than the best ones, so the servers will feel more alive and dynamic (no more 5000 deino's swimming in the water killing each other since no one else is ther to kill while dryo's are nonexistent). Another issue that is trying to be solved is that now there is another point into playing the game other than just pvp. the biggest issue isle currently has is that there is no point in doing anything other than pvp because there is no progression system other than afk growing your dino.

[@sugoi9680]

@@GoldenDaemonas Not a bad idea actually

[@alguldandoce7982]

Mad thing to say that people who are attracted by large carnivores have an underveloped mind, berg.

[@RomeEmpire123]

average undeveloped mind... lmao what a brain dead statement.

[@alexius9556]

Rex release will be the best time ever to play Deino, because you are propably alone in the water and have an all you can eat buffet🐊

[@Devin_Smile]

Wanting to keep playing Deino no matter what is added is something a lot of people are going to do.... so good luck with that.

[@mikeoxsmal69]

@@Devin_Smile plus the buffs to deino for when the other apexes come out is prolly just gonna make it worse lol

[@kitkat5596]

I hope they stay true with making apexes extremely difficult to maintain, I'd much prefer to see more people playing medium to small tiers then everyone gunning for apexes. (seriously dont want to see a legacy repeat) When it comes to apex herbies they need to battle it out for food source, herd on herd battles would be awesome to witness. If the apex population becomes like Legacy then I hope the goodness they stay on Unofficial servers with server admin abilities to limit their numbers.

[@halfslyced]

Very well said... I would be over excited to bear witness 2 groups of triceratops battle it out for a feeding ground, seeing huge events like this in moderation is what creates an amazing feeling when actually seeing it happen. Even if you're involved or not.

[@dotsinki1096]

90% of rexes that spawn dont make it to adulthood so most you are going to encounter are small weak scared babies trying to desperately survive so then when you finally encounter that 1 adult that runs your hard grown megafauna down across the entire map instead of being pissed off ur happy bc you saw a rare creature pray

[@ExcellentEmperor]

I always feel kind of bad when I pick something like a T-Rex in these games. It's one of my favorite dinosaurs but I don't want to be seen as "one of those people" who just pick whatever's the strongest. So it makes me hesitate a bit.

[@halfslyced]

Yeah I absolutely understand. Play what you want to play. As long as you know you aren't one of those people, then you're not the problem.

[@emmadilemma4177]

i agree with halfslyced as well play what you wanna play because the Trex is your favorite dinosaur, im sure there are different types of annoying herbivore players like for Maias, Pachys and Dibbles but it wont stop me from playing them because i love them, their my favorite herbie dinosaurs :>

[@chrisuuu393]

As a player who played this game in 2017/18 i think return (and ofc remake certain aspects) of progression mode would be the best option. That + debuffs for mix packing/mega packing and then its fine.

[@halfslyced]

A new and improved version of progression mode would be nice. I would still like them to have what they have now but progression mode servers would be good so we actually set smaller creatures running around, the ones you don't really see at all.

[@salamandredessables6340]

One idea I have for managing apex™ is to make hunger drain augment with effort, like stamina drain. This occasional drain that changes between each dino could make apex™ reasonable to play as roaming scavenger, making titans fight between them here and there, and being a force not taken out by the first group, yet they can't go around chasing dumbly litteraly everything like a schizophrenic death roll, the effort simply starving them out if the chase fails.

[@halfslyced]

Hunger being tied to stamina is interesting... But it definitely shouldn't be TOO punishing. People are gonna lose their food here and there. So maybe not a single failure should be a death sentence. But if you're not good enough to plan your actions ahead and strategize... Then I don't think that person is going to last long

[@salamandredessables6340]

@@halfslyced 100% agree

[@loserorangeorvoremonster8047]

@@halfslyced isnt the hunger=stamina already a thing? the more you run and have to regen stam, the faster your hunger drains?

[@halfslyced]

Correct me if I'm wrong but i don't believe so. From what I've noticed food and water drains just as fast when I'm sitting around for 30 minutes as it does when I'm running amuck

[@ITakeItGood]

With the footage of Dondi showing off the current rex model, it's gonna have a speed boost compared to legacy. That and migrations on Gateway will make it easier to grow than ever before.

[@halfslyced]

Rex getting a speed boost and carnivores being able to see migration zones?? This is a disaster brewing and waiting to happen.

[@dtbrex08]

@@halfslycedhonestly I think it makes sense for carnivores to see migrations or else theyll just be wondering around aimlessly looking for herbivores that are all on one part of the map (not all but you get the point)

[@Doingmything0]

Herbis that travel will be on edge and in vast numbers but you dont gotta follow the migration as a herbi its literally a mini game everyone was complaing about because herbivore is boring as lots say. Easy food but risk of running intoo carnivores it makes sense, if you dont wanna risk it dont follow the migration. Apexes will also be far and few in between unlike legacy ai is small and the only apex deino has a easy time growing because nobody can touch them in water sources ajd they can safely grown. Rexes wont have that luck. And maybe alot make it too adult but they still need too substain themself which wont be possible on the long run.

[@halfslyced]

@@Doingmything0 easy food, risky because nearby carnis can see, but with everyone in your species group having the exact migration zones, there will be a huge advantage in numbers that the carnivores won't have

[@halfslyced]

@@dtbrex08 I agree but I think they should limit carnivores ability to see the migration zones somewhat. As of right now they see the closest migration zone. So there is a chance that whatever zone the carnivore is near may not even be on their diet. So it's not too insane right now but I'll have to see for myself in the game to solidify my opinion. I don't think carnivores should be able to see them at all, maybe just restrict their ability to sense it right away so the herbivores have a headstart

[@kmp3-gaming986]

0:50 rex will feed off of deinos stegos trikes, and especially other rexes. I don’t believe for a sec that they won’t make rex into a cannibal species.

[@halfslyced]

Oh for sure, they wanna make it more difficult and encourage apexes to challenge each other and pick each other off

[@speedy9965]

I’m not sure how I feel about Rex being a canni

[@Haywiregoodlooking2112]

I just hope they improve the herding/social aspect for herbys on official servers. i play mostly herb small and large and the hardest part i have with the game is i almost never find other hebys just to socialize with. Even if we didnt herd up , just seeing groups of herbys in the same area of the map eating, competing over food, not mix packing but herding in the same area would make herbys much more enjoyable in my eyes

[@fortunemichael5097]

People say there’s gonna be abundance of food for apex but I think it’ll be opposite, considering how big the map is I really hope they are near starvation most of their play through as food will be so sparsely located. Like you I much prefer ppl playing the mid teir Dino’s with a few apex about to make it realistic. The bigger problem is how Cera, carno and Omni gonna coupe with Dilo and Trex cuz most ppl will play that so finding pack members will be so tough

[@halfslyced]

Yeah I wasn't really thinking about Gateway at first, but yeah the bigger map should indirectly solve some gameplay issues. Like the insane amount of bodies that pile up at Center... Thank goodness for gateway

[@AaronJohnson-id2ve]

I'm excited for rex to be thrown into the fray and everyone will play it, it's going to probably be very complicated to grow and I'll take advantage of that being a deino and hide somewhere in a place players will not expect. And then gorge on "free food." Either way there will be a balance I think to where people cannot support there "hunger requirements" and then it will hopefully mellow out. But it will be good for the game to gain popularity and help speed up progress on its development to be finished. Regardless of the consequences, Because all these new diverse mechanics will attract attention to the player base.

[@jalea5298]

I like to think nesting will be a bigger thing for apexes, people would rather grow safely with two adult parents rather than alone, they just need to find a way to make nesting beneficial to the parents as well

[@halfslyced]

Exactly, when 2 people make it to adulthood nesting is going to be the best chance other people have. That's until they actually add some more benefits to nesting. That's why I can't wait for mutations and elders.

[@zumogerstubchen2340]

I think an even bigger problem is that there's way too many carnivores. In the real world, herbivores outnumber carnivores by 1:10 or even 1:100.

[@dtbrex08]

The roster isnt even finished and they arent gonna add every dino in existence into the game, imo its fine seeing how stego is compared to other creatures right now

[@halfslyced]

Never even thought of this. They really need to create some things for herbivores to do. At least carnivores have the privilege to hunt things for food. I would love to see much larger herds in the future.

[@dtbrex08]

@@halfslyced hopefully the sparring system can fix this now that I think about it but idk

[@halfslyced]

@@dtbrex08 yeah hopefully they add some stuff like this to other herbivores as well. Obviously not sparring exactly but stuff like maybe theris locking claws, or Cory's pushing up against each other with their weight. More stand - off style combat like that would be excellent

[@dtbrex08]

@@halfslyced good point!

[@sitrus6512]

Rex is cool and all but im more interessted in the allo, alberto and the new dragon looking spino remodell and i am also excited for the human first person experience that sounds awesome and terrifying at the same time

[@Koryyd]

I can imagine the gateaway with JUST tiranossaurus in the map

[@McChickenIsNotReal]

I can imagine apex level dinosaurs would have a hella difficult time getting a full diet or have a new mechanic making it even harder to grow one.

[@supercanadaeh9483]

Maybe the trick with maintaining a balanced player population once the big predators are released is to put incentives/animal caps in place. A map might have a limit of ten adult rexes at a time for instance. Alternatively just give players rewards/certain buffs for choosing a less bombastic species.

[@Dimitriterrorman]

best way to make stego able to fight rex is to make it so if you hit a rex in the head it cancels its attack and forces it to turn like it would in real life

[@mooseandelk1]

I'd probably group up with friends as omnis just to pounce rexes

[@dinocraft1204]

I really don’t think this is gonna be a problem, especially with how big Gateway is. Your original estimate of 4x the playable area of Spiro is way off lmao it’s so much bigger, and harder to navigate. And you can’t forget about how many cliffs and steep hills there are, I think the main way the Apex pop is going to be maintained is fall damage 💀. But all they really need to do is make them like a 12 hour grow and make every minute up until 100% the most agonizing experience. But we can’t have this still be the case once they’re full grown, because then no one will want to play them. Once you are able to run the gauntlet and get a Rex to 100% growth you should be close to unstoppable, it’s only fair. But even like a 99% grown one should be vulnerable to balance it.

[@halfslyced]

Spiro the island itself is huge. I just mean within the magic border it lets us actually use

[@aceofspades7]

Literally the live roadmap said they’re going to be adjusting deino and stego’s kit. So they’re being buffed.

[@halfslyced]

I know I mentioned this in my previous discussion. But I also made the point where they aren't going to buff stego and dieno unless Rex is available on official servers. Cause when they add Rex at first it will only be available to toggle on unofficial. Imagine a version of stego and dieno built to fight things twice its size thrown into an ecosystem where there is nothing larger than them. They will dominate and destroy everything.

[@austinvollmer2425]

they can add a hard cap for apex only a few at a time might not work but worth a try i gess .

[@halfslyced]

It would work... But it's no fun being restricted to play something. Then you'd have people waiting in the spawn screen until a slot opens up

[@OmegaSai]

Deino SHOULD have a bite force equal to that or greater than a Rex, how its bite force is THAT nerfed in game is beyond me. A Deino should be 2 Shotting a stego, its insane how nerfed its bite force is.

[@Find-bu4bg]

the only other thing they could do is limit the number of apexes and give them their own territory that they have to stay within, if they can only have five rexes spinos and gigas, split the map into five and give one of each their own territory, it means people dont have to worry about getting ganged up on by ten rexes and it means that people who want to play them have "rules" that stop them from being overpowered, their area of play is smaller and the people who choose other creatures know that there is only a single one that could come for them, still keeping the danger factor but meaning they arent having to constantly assume there will be one where they are going

[@TheJaguar147]

Currently it is difficult to grow a carno. Due to low availability and/or a lot of competition over food. Growing past juvenile or subadult is challenging. You have to find fresh food as a carnotaurus which you do not have to do as the vacuum cleaner known as Ceratosaurus. So personally I believe the T-Rex's will have a similar problem until they reach near fully grown where they will be able to bully and hunt other adult carnivores. + They will have to compete against the other T-rex's

[@Kio_vidz]

Growing in my opinion should be also buffed while eating or if you have more than 50% food that would give you 35% separated from your diet buffs grow buff. And for rex a normal grow time would be like 3 hours so the 35% would make it around 2.10 hours, and the nonstop need for food would make it hard for rex to grow.

[@dtbrex08]

I honestly never had a problem with everyone spawning as apex on legacy, seemed pretty balanced to me and depending on the creature people were playing they could just run from a rex or spino, maybe not a giga but you get the point

[@halfslyced]

I have definitely seen at least 90 percent of players on legacy spawn as an apex. Perhaps I'm just unlucky. But even if u see 1 apex every hour or so... I feel like that's still too many...

[@alkalinik]

The problem is... they are players. There is no "you were born in a role" or natural selection. Its a player, who chooses his character.

[@RandomMackem0069]

They should add something like a buffalo to feed the bigger dinosaurs

[@Dimitriterrorman]

if you alt bite you can hit them while they on you

[@PoutineItalienne]

I have a dedicated way to handle t-rex and trikes ready to go on my own server. I want seing an adult t-rex to be something somewhat rare on my server

[@Thetacodile117]

I love the way aldein of Aceints is going to handle megatherapods. Each dinosaur is going to excel in curtain habitats.

[@halfslyced]

This a new game coming out? Or is it already out in early access?

[@Thetacodile117]

@@halfslyced oh yeah you should check it out. From what I know it's still in development and set to release in around 2024 for PC and consoles.

[@Thetacodile117]

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[@halfslyced]

@@Thetacodile117 I have seen the trailer, maybe I should join the discord as well

[@ArchangelsSword]

Maybe there should be a point system. Like the Enigma cold war server in DCS. You have to earn points flying older, less capable jets before you can spawn the more powerful ones like the F-14 and Mig 29.

[@halfslyced]

I like the reference. A lot of people are unable to look at the bigger picture and possibilities because the only other games they play are COD, Fortnite, and sports games.

[@armadillo3454]

I can see them putting a priority on larger AI creatures and dinos simply to help feed the Apexs

[@xfakerolex8652]

A limitation for apexes would be a solution

[@lodocool77]

Brodie was lowkey cooking

[@zap921]

Saw steve in a the isle video and now i am subscribed what the heck

[@halfslyced]

How did that happen that's crazy

[@Breelik]

people are just gonna play what they want. No matter the grow timer. Making the grow timer might get rid of some people who might otherwise play them. Not much and the ones who do play will play even more like dicks because they are gonna be angry. Growth timers shouldnt be as steep for any dino.

[@Breelik]

making the system less punishing overall in terms of growth time will heavily encourage diversity

[@halfslyced]

Yeah that's what I'm sayin. A growth time doesn't matter if the dino is easy to grow. They need to make it difficult or there will be WAYYYY too many.

[@Breelik]

@@halfslyced Im saying the opposite. Just let it not be that punishing for grow times and people will just play goofy stuff because they want to. More punishing grow times will only entrench players into playing one dino because they wont want to waste time on other dinos even if they sound cool. Making everything easy to grow will make it less frustrating when you lose to apexes and make players more willing to try the other dinos just for funsies even if they dont particularly enjoy them.

[@Breelik]

Every time I try playing a different dino for example and die I sit there and ask myself why im wasting time on this dino instead of the one Id rather play. Make apexes like 2 hours max and the rest like 30 minutes max would be a good metric I think. It would also solve some other issues with the game as is.

[@Breelik]

Every time I try playing a different dino for example and die I sit there and ask myself why im wasting time on this dino instead of the one Id rather play. Make apexes like 2 hours max and the rest like 30 minutes max would be a good metric I think. It would also solve some other issues with the game as is.

[@marcmartel7542]

7 hours growth, no stamina if it can outrun anything. And obstacles they cannot break like big ass trees where you can walk between the roots if you're not a rex. Slow 180 turning....so you can outrun them as you change direction. Mud slowing them by far..... there so many way you can stop a rex if you have the right ideas. Noisy like you can hear them breathing in close range.

[@stealthninja1352]

My major complaint is that u have to opt into evrima and as a new player it’s taken me 4 days to find out that’s why why I cannot play Nile Lyle the crocodile

[@TheButtaSauce]

The logical solution would be to add a player cap to apex species. Then, if you die as an apex species, you can't spawn as it for 20 minutes. This would increase diversity and give everyone an equal opportunity to play as an apex.

[@halfslyced]

I'm not a big fan of the apex cap idea, it's no fun to be restricted from a playable because too many people are playing it. You would have people waiting in the spawn screen until their timer is up or a slot opens. Then half the server wouldn't even be actually in game they would be waiting to spawn. And apex cap is an interesting solution but I think with a more natural and dynamic solution... Things could work out

[@thezanzibarbarian5729]

Deinosuchus actually had a higher bite force than the T-Rex ever did. But... That's if you believe those scientists. If not... Then the T-Rex had a more powerful bite. But... For the T-Rex to have a bite more powerful than the Deino, it would have broken it's skull to do so. It's like every Dino game. Never realistic. But immersive. But it's going to be interesting to see that Dondi does when the T-Rex does come out. Is it's bite going to above the current 500 bite force of the Deino or not? And what it's stamina is going to be like is going to be interesting too. Run 20 yards and then collapse, panting for 5 minutes just trying to get it's breath back while trying to fend off half a dozen Troodons who are invenomating it with each bite? EDIT - Good constructive video 8-))...

[@Doingmything0]

Stegos be glass cannons hit extremely hard but melt fast too apexes, but they can still mess up apexes, they also said they change stego toolkit same with deino they will have more moves added.

[@halfslyced]

Yeah I mentioned them updating them in my last discussion. I can't wait to see how they prepare them for apexes. But buffing them when they add Rex to unofficial servers will be unnecessary because then you will have juiced up stegos and dienos on officials with zero competition because rexes won't be on official lmao

[@Doingmything0]

@@halfslyced they probably still keep a eye on unofficials and add all the apexes back when the roster more complete and balanced

[@s4lracing30]

Maybe a cap for people in the server using an apex? Like only 5 Rex's at any one time? Or whatever number is best. Or make it a 20 hour grow and make it susceptible to falling prey to other big animals until like hour 15.

[@officiallyjuiced377]

Apexes won’t be a problem and I for one know this as a apex main and playing some gateway it’s way to big they will be spread out and if 2 pairs meet they will fight it out so yeah their might be a decent bit of ppl on them but it won’t be that bad Bc the bigger ones always kill the smaller ones and fight pairs and if their was not apexes then o don’t think I would hardly play this game and that speaks for a lot of ppl

[@halfslyced]

It will be a problem if they don't balance it correctly. It's always been a problem in legacy. There's just too many and it's too easy to grow. As long as they make the growth progress difficult, overpopulation won't be an issue. And yes Gateway is massive so I hope the chances of somebody seeing 2 apexes at the same time is a VERY rare occurrence

[@officiallyjuiced377]

@@halfslyced finally bro after fully exploring the map it is like 3 times the size of spiro and probably 2 times the size of legacy ur not gonna see a crap time of apexes at all even if everyone played one u will see a few here and their but they won’t be everywhere u turn that is for sure especially if they don’t up the player counts you’ll hardly ever see anything tbh

[@EzleRS]

lmao the random "Your mother" jokes that kept popping up were killing me.

[@halfslyced]

I'm so glad somebody noticed 😭

[@EzleRS]

Everytime i seen one i was like trueeee. lmao@@halfslyced

[@HHHIII4363]

I'm not really mad about the health bar being gone, though i did like it being around. However with it being gone, that DOES mean something about health needs to be changed for the benefit of the player. Considering the fact Afterthought wants to give players an APPROXIMATION of their health, rather than an exact percent; I would recommend we return to the old reliable First Through Fourth Screen method. You can pretty easily tie the screens to every 25% health drop, and you could go into halves if you want to give players every 12.5 percent. Like "Early First" or "Late Third" This should be combined with the status condition display Legacy The Isle had, which said things like "Severe" or "Serious". These in combination with the screens easily add up to approximate health without giving too much away. Not to mention we can have the "OH CRAP" moments when we enter a fight full health only to instantly hit Late Third after getting hit once. I would also like to mention to those who REALLY dont like the health bar removal, that you can tell how much dmg you've taken by quickly doing the math for how much an attack deals and how often it hit you

[@raccon1007]

I honestly dont think making it hard to grow will do anything ppl will still play it and get to adult because they will lets be real even if we dont see that many adult apexes i can almost with 100 percent certainty say that over half the lobby will just be babys afks in a bush so wont see as many ppl only way i see it working is if they have a limit on the number of apexs

[@halfslyced]

Once they implement something to counteract afk growing (within the next 20 years) then the learn and curve of properly growing hopefully gets a massive upturn, and more people are allured to smaller/easier playables to learn the ropes. But essentially yes, I agree. increasing growth difficulty isn't and shouldn't be the only factor. But it definitely is the main one.

[@walkerweir7194]

I say create a branch teir between apex and mid teir. Examples being saurophaganax, siats, tiranotitan, tarbosaurus, and torvosaurus. To close some kind of gap between apex carnivores.

[@halfslyced]

Well they have plenty of large tier creatures that aren't apex... They just haven't added any yet. Such as sucho, para, albert, carchar, etc

[@walkerweir7194]

@@halfslyced charcar is getting added!??

[@halfslyced]

@@walkerweir7194 I believe so. (Nvm I just checked I couldn't find it on the confirmed roster.)

[@walkerweir7194]

@@halfslyced would prob be the smaller induidensis

[@walkerweir7194]

@@halfslyced where can I find the whole confirmed roster?

[@naiopiaio7125]

I think the dilemma comes with the fact that some carnivores are just way weaker than others, and not only weaker, but slower, so, why on earth would I play Cera if a single carno can and will outrun me and absolutely destroy me even if I try to escape? The isle needs dinosaurs that are able to survive on their own way, for instance, I think they did a good job with Herrerasaurus because being able to climb trees makes a whole difference when surviving. But then you have dryo, who, at this current time, has no chance of surviving at all. Most if not all carnivores outrun them and they get obliterated in the blink of an eye. The isle has a huge "ecosystem" problem. Some dinosaurs are simply vastly superior than others in speed and strength, basically making the slower and weaker dinosaurs useless, because as soon as you get spotted by those other overpowered dinosaurs you stand no chance at all in surviving. I know carnotaurus is and has to be portrayed as a very fast predator because as far as we understand, this animal was extremely fast, but the issue is that in the ecosystem carnotaurus inhabited he was surrounded by fast prey and animals. You can't put a damn Carnotaurus in an Island with Protoceratops, An animal that lived in a different era and in a different ecosystem, together, because Protoceratops won't stand a chance at surviving against bigger and faster predators. The only way to make The Isle a diverse ecosystem is by limiting the amount of players that can play a dinosaur at the same time respectively (For example: a max of 8 players will be able to play carno, 20 with Pachys, while a dryo, for instance, has an unlimited amount) . I say this knowing it will totally break the community and many will leave, but it's the only way to solve this. Maybe if they make it a toggleable option in servers it could work.

[@DRACOSWARPATH]

because large dinos are fucking awesome.

[@kenny2722]

They should add a comfort system to the game and the bigger animal you are the harder it is to keep up with your needs. Also from what I've seen the Rex runs wayyy too fast and looks so bouncy when it runs, it's gonna difficult to not make Rex a Bulldozer that eats everything and makes playing smaller dinos irrelevant. You can see this happening already with Hyspi, Troodon, dryo and beipi they are unplayable at this point.

[@sugoi9680]

Troodon and Beipi have players but Dryo can't even burrow so everybody plays Galli instead. Hypsi gets old after you spit troll someone once.

[@aldintv7687]

imo the solution is adding humans alongside the apexes, so they can be shot and the shock of losing hours of growth to guns plus the difficulty to grow them should deter the big dino go brrrr crowd to some extent. alongside having incentives for every dino to kill apexes would be good too. (make every apex a canni)

[@halfslyced]

Well they just dropped some crazzzyyy stuff for pouncing creatures in the devblog a day ago. If enough things pounce on a target they will eventually lose their balance and be pinned. So larger creatures won't just have each other to worry about... The ecosystem comes full circle

[@gojiraguy3929]

Peope are gonna have to cannibalize as juvie, sub and adult because of the abundance of food. Adults will need to target large mix herds and stegos and trikes as well. They should limit. When more apexes come out rex players are gonna hunt them instead. So when it first releases rex is gonna bave a shit time but after they release more apexes it will be better

[@halfslyced]

As the roster's average size increases, the apexes will have much larger food items to choose from, absolutely.

[@CUBANKING-g4r]

On path of titans rex is killable by everything cus everything can kill everything with ease provided skill isnt in shortage

[@MenschAffen]

They could Make a system where you have to start with smaller animals, to level up in a way? Once you got to adult with that one or maybe also nest, you get point and with that point you can play the more higher one dinos, and make with them points again to play higher until apex, but as apex you can’t make points just play around, and once you die, you need most of the time play something else cause you don’t have enough play points… something like that?? 😊

[@halfslyced]

They kinda had something like this a looong time ago. It was progression mode, and I enjoyed it tbh

[@angerskarin9222]

My only problem is they will make the t rex the strongest dino again, and you will have 50 people play rex and the moment there a full grown they will kill every things in sight, also deino bite should do more damage then rex.

[@v8hyp]

5:27 facts this shi is so annoying istg everyone wants to be the strongest dino T-T

[@halfslyced]

It's always these kids that think being anything else is pointless because they can't kill everything. (it's a severe skill issue)

[@egehaney6736]

İ think when these apex predators come up ,deino will be nothing like everybody will play apexes and deino could kill noone i think deino always shouls be able to kill all dinoa growth version because it only get the advantage in water right?

[@JeffAM1986]

When there is a full roster there will be less Apexes like Rex. They should naturally at least for the Rex and Giga, spino take like 10 hours. I mean Juvie Rex will be very vulnerable alone.

[@braydentreleaven9370]

Personally I’m most exited for austro to be added, and I’m no doubt maining it. I honestly prefer smaller animals over large ones. I’m the kind of person who genuinely plays hypsi more than I play carno

[@braydentreleaven9370]

In fact I don’t play carno at all I forgot

[@halfslyced]

Austro better be amazing. And yeah I can see where you're coming from with the small playables, so hopefully they actually give the ones like hypsi and dryo some more mechanics so they can be more enjoyable

[@bigsnugga]

I just want the Allosaurus ngl. Apexes should be very hard to grow and rewarding you when you reach adult. Maybe make it so hard to grow , that people who dont have patience for it just give up.

[@halfslyced]

Can't wait for allo. His concept art was amazing

[@firegator6853]

i agree with all your points it should be more challenging to grow the bigger dinosaurs so people actually want to play the smaller ones, to be honest personally it kinda works on me already on evrima, i much prefer to play something like beipiaosaurus, pteranodon or pachy since they grow relatively fast compared to the biggest playables so if they also do the gameplay more challenging too it might at least do something more for diversity of animals in game

[@JDINK]

I am really excited how giga and acro play out

[@halfslyced]

Fr I love fatcro, love how they got him big and juicy in his concept art

[@JDINK]

@@halfslyced indeed, I hope it’s able to kill apexes

[@stopiminmyroom4890]

Best way to fix the games issues is to add hypo oro spread the word 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@halfslyced]

HYPO ORO YEAHH

[@Dimitriterrorman]

13 ton rex when?

[@erikeliasson4739]

Let people play whatever they want. If the rexes are added and not enabled for regular people, it feels very mean to people who work or are in college

[@halfslyced]

They aren't going to conform the game because some people don't have time. If you don't have time there are plenty of servers that do grows

[@erikeliasson4739]

@@halfslyced But should it not be the other way around? Normal servers having everything as is, and personal servers doing the whole roleplaying thing?

[@halfslyced]

@@erikeliasson4739 exactly. Plenty of Unofficial Servers for people who don't have time. Regular free grows, and I'm sure in the future they will be able to modify grow times as well. I understand people's struggle with lack of time, I was in the same boat, but I don't think the game should constrain itself to people's personal schedules

[@woowoo8088]

i thought i heard someone say that they will put a cap on official servers for rexes. Like only a certain number of people will be able to play. Not sure if its tru or not

[@halfslyced]

This is not true. It's what some people are suggesting tho

[@YesPositive-y1d]

I thought that apexes were going to have a population cap?

[@halfslyced]

Nope. That's just people throwing their suggestions around.

[@wietse9673]

Maybe an idea is copy paste the queue system to apex's, and a population limit for them. That way only 2 rex's for example could be walking around. And if you want to play it too, wait for the queue to finally make you first in line. With a few tweaks here and there you could maybe make this a viable feature that allows the introduction of apex's in official servers.

[@halfslyced]

In order for something like this to work they would need to show creature populations before you get into the server, and if the apex u desire is available or not. Or else you would have half the lobby waiting in the egg selection menu and taking up valuable server slots. It's a good idea but I think a much better approach would just be making the general apex population an extreme challenge to grow to full adult. That way everyone that cares to have a chance to play will be able to... But it is up to them to play carefully and be skillful to survive.

[@wietse9673]

@@halfslyced Even that could work aswell if they made it that difficult. Brainstorm moments right there

[@beedrillbot121]

I feel a queue system would be a terrible way to balance out the addition of Apex’s. Just because of the fact that the two most famous animal T. Rex and Triceratops would be very popular animals that a lot of people would want to play. With how popular these two animals are, either you have people buying the game for the sole reason of playing as these two animals only to be disappointed since every single populated server has maxed out the arbitrary amount of Rexes and trikes it can have, then they move onto Path of Titans since that game has no limit to the amount of Rexes and strikes you can play as. Or as Halfsliced has mentioned, half of the server population will just be a bunch of people eating around for the chance to play as Tyrannosaurus Rex and Triceratops. I mean if it happens in Star Wars Battlefront 2 where you have a far broader spectrum of people playing, how much the much narrower amount of people will want to just wait around in a game where you spend most of your time waiting around in a bush, all for the chance to wait around in a bush even long before they finally play as their sub adult Rex only for them to die and every single person sitting around in the Egg Screen pounces on the opportunity to play as a Rex or Trike. Or what if you wait three whole hours before you get the ability to play as one of these animals only to get spawn camped and killed, now you can’t even play as them for another 3 maybe even more hours of just waiting for a chance to just sit in a bush for even more time. That does not sound like fun at all. I think the way Apex animals are balanced should not be by an arbitrary number that decides and more so that playing as these apexes and getting them to adulthood is so hard that the population is whittled down naturally, until only those dedicated remain, making them far more dangerous and impressive than normal since not only are they powerful, but the only people that are able to get them to that state would probably wreck you anyways. Having an Apex is just rewarding the dedicated player even more as is. It probably would not have too drastically of an impact.

[@halfslyced]

@@beedrillbot121 100% agree... Getting to adult apex should not just be given out. It needs to be earned. So when you see one you know they have been thru a lot of sh##. This should be the case for any apex.

[@KRaikk_]

@wietse9673 Only 2 walking around is a bit few. But they could make it so only 5 can spawn normally. The others will need to spawn from nests. This will not only limit the amount of Rexes it will also make them vulnerable when they are hatchlings. And as an adult rex, good luck catching a troodon trying to steal the baby.

[@BeaverBeBussi]

There adding trike and Rex to only unofficial so that is disappointing

[@cris4216]

have gateway,still no trex

[@rkksr]

Interesting video and points to share. My concern is about the foliage and enviroments. Its is build for medium and large dinos. Once you play small creature you cant really see when in forest or walking in grass. This thing was playing human too. The perspective of creating enviroments should be focus more towards small creatures and humans.

[@halfslyced]

Yeah all the small tiers can even see above the grass 😭 it's annoying... But it's also an advantage as well since predators can't see them.

[@life4myHomeboys]

Us... Raptor packing .. waiting for a Balance that SOMETHING can kill deino so Balance comes Back for a circle and we good to Drink :'D For real this circle isnt closed .. as füll deino .. do whatever you want food comes to you and you're untouchable :'D

[@thornwolf4234]

If the smaller dino's weren't balanced terribly I'd play them more then the bigger ones. Most of the dino's im excited for are non-apex. (megalania, alberto, allo, sucho)

[@halfslyced]

Fellow megalania enjoyer.

[@thornwolf4234]

@@halfslyced One of my favorites, Path of titans did alright with him. I just hope that the isle does better

[@kennikia2234]

Are rex and triceratops really not going to be playable in official servers?

[@halfslyced]

Only on unofficials

[@kilianteni7884]

Make new ai that are more hostile towards apexes. So only a small percentage of apexes makes it to adulthood.

[@halfslyced]

They actually mentioned adding elder apex AI so that apexes crap their pants and have something to worry about. Sounds funny tbh

[@Valentinaa600]

I dont think its gonna be that much People playing the trex like hes not the only dinosaur thats gonna be added, dilo diablo herrera , people will play all this things+ they gonna add these 3 sooner that trex

[@stxticnathan6627]

They should add a smaller tyrannosaur instead

[@halfslyced]

As long as it has a unique place in the ecosystem, that would be interesting

[@stxticnathan6627]

@@halfslyced maybe qianzhousaurus could work as it could be like a cheetah being a fast glass cannon that could maybe be nocturnal too, and the design could make it feathered with face disks like an owl

[@halfslyced]

@@stxticnathan6627 we already have quite a few fast glass cannons planned on the roster. So it would have to have something that makes itself different from the others. Multiple animals that play the same role in an ecosystem will nudge each other off until eventually everyone just plays the one that does the same thing but better

[@KreKrexler]

Alberto should’ve been the one to get added, Rex getting added this early is cancerous

[@halfslyced]

@@KreKrexler lover Alberto... But they are adding Rex only to unofficial servers, and that's only if they server owner enables it. They are doing this to see the impact apexes have and probably to find out how difficult they need to make them grow. But yeah I wish they would have spent there time on anything else lmao, it is what it is. I'm still not over the fact Baryonyx isn't in the works

[@kenshinhimura9387]

There won't be an apex problem. They will fight and kill each other off until only 1 apex pack remains on the map.

[@halfslyced]

Yeah until they decide to megapack if there's too much food in the map, or if there isn't enough food on the map because all the players decide to choose troodon, Omnis, herras, etc, then you won't be able to grow an apex at all. But your right as long as the game is perfectly balanced there won't be an apex problem. But when has the game ever been perfectly balanced?

[@officiallyjuiced377]

@@halfslycedthat’s why u play unofficiall no more than 2 in a pack if their is more u run them off or kill them and as a apex player I killed all and remembered how hard it was to grow on in legacy I killed any other apex that was Juvie to adult unless they were in my group

[@IndominusRex-wc1ey]

​@@officiallyjuiced377if you are FORCED to play the game on an unofficial server with external rules to enjoy a well balanced game, then the game you are trying to enjoy is not well balanced. Officials servers aren't the "no rules let's party" servers, official servers are the intended game experience. I shouldn't have to rely on unofficial experiences to play an even decent game

[@HammboneBob]

I don't have a PC, so I can't play the game, I've played legacy and a little of evrima on my buddies' PC though. What a game y'all have. Compared to POT it feels a lot more investing. I have to actually try, and death has a lot more weight. One of the things I loved was the lethality and weight of encounters. Fights last way longer in POT but for all the wrong reasons I feel. Something I try to remember is that the dinosaurs aren't REALLY dinosaurs. They're human controlled monsters, so there's no real way to keep it logical. But the way POT nerfs everything is so gross. Most of the animals IRL try to run rather than fight a predator, but again, player controlled dinos. I hope whatever happens to the game, it gets finished, polished, and stays in people's hearts and game library forever.

[@halfslyced]

hopefully you will be able to play it yourself in the future!

[@JoeBurner1720]

i guess unofficial servers could be able to put caps on the apex # but that’s kinda lame at the same time

[@halfslyced]

Yeah nobody wants to feel restricted in any way. There's gotta be a more natural and dynamic solution. I'm sure the devs will make it difficult enough to grow an apex that we won't have to worry about it (hopefully)

[@JoeBurner1720]

@@halfslyced It’s gonna be rough in the beginning though, like you said. Everyone’s gonna want to be a rex when it drops

[@halfslyced]

@@JoeBurner1720 yeah then hopefully not as many people over time when they realize how difficult it is

[@Britton182]

ai herds fix the apex problem and fill in the gaps where human players dont

[@DogDigLuss]

We need some more trolling videos!!! XD Plz 🫠

[@halfslyced]

I need ideas 😭 I can't keep getting banned from everything

[@mariannekelstrup7633]

I have no problem with people playing apex, even if it is a majority. It's a game, it should be fun, so people should play what they enjoy. I'm fine with making hunting AI more challenging and making the growth time longer to increase the risk and investment. I'm down for some AI apex to increase the risks for everyone playing solo and avoiding other players. Also instead of having 1 dino/server, making it so you can have one of each dino/server, might help with the diversity. That way playing something other than an apex doesn't feel like you're screwing yourself out of playing as an apex, which for me at least is the most fun. I also see no problem with showing population info. That way you can decide to add to the diversity if you want to. The best solution would ofc be to make every other dino just as enjoyable, but that's not a simple task. Give me a giant ass sauropod tho and I might be willing to try.

[@allmight651]

on legacy the apexes have never posed a problem for me, they have no endurance ... they are slow so why say they will pose a problem?

[@halfslyced]

Cause more than half the server would play them

[@loserorangeorvoremonster8047]

its extremely boring and immersion breaking having rex sim instead of an actual dinosaur game

[@halfslyced]

Correct

[@allmight651]

given their slowness, they'll be nuked by utah and cerato, so no @@halfslyced

[@o0Raine0o]

what seems to be the problem? more AI. like seriously 100 people on gateway is nothing. the island is empty.

[@Tacodile777]

Im gonna have to disagree mate, op can be done right, because I can name a lot of drawbacks Megatherapods would inhertly have. Each dinosaur would have their own playstlye the only reason why people complain about op this, brocken that, and so on is because all these games focus way to much on pvp instead of survival. I believe dinosaur games would do so much better if they were more casual. Although this new game called Aldian of aceints looks very promising you should check it out.

[@halfslyced]

Yeah the overpowered thing was jus click bait lmao, I think they can balance that pretty well. The main problem is if the entire server is always trying to grow a Rex and afk growing somewhere like legacy

[@Tacodile777]

@@halfslyced That can easily be fixed, not everyone is going to like slow gameplay, being unable to explore and plus if thier going to do this whole growth thing. Might as well make it feel earned.

[@halfslyced]

yep it can easily be fixed but the developers have shown us they can't so far. legacy was horrendous for being a breeding ground for apexes but i have hope for evrima it can change @@Tacodile777

[@granddooku]

rex 10 tons!? its like 6 max

[@halfslyced]

Fr yeah, I was just exaggerating

[@jacobhilton8544]

Need to bring back the Allo gangs

[@halfslyced]

Allo will be great, but personally I'm a die hard Baryonyx fan. But as far as I know... Bary isn't coming for a while 😭

[@robparfrey642]

personally i found the rex to be boring as hell on legacy. the one i did grow never died to anything as there was 2 of us and we just stomped people. even other rex groups. And the majority of time playing i played as the smaller carnivors, (i did play all herbis too) Now on gateway, the carno was a favourite for a little while, ive tried cera but my absolute go to is troodon

[@halfslyced]

Yeah I love midtiers too, I can't wait until they add Baryonyx. Gotta be my all time favorite

[@Pand3miCSK]

Reason you see so many apexes on evrima because 90% of the mid and low tier Dino’s suck raptors just get stomped no use to even play them

[@JeffAM1986]

I just want Acro

[@legendarygigan9855]

0:19 But your mom is over 100 million tons

[@BeaverBeBussi]

Personally me I play small things like i will play herra troodon raptor hypsi bepi I don’t like play apex to much

[@wescford]

Just make big stuff take longer .. bigger reward bigger loss

[@Satchmo666]

I prefer smaller, more agile dinos, can't catch what ya can't see lol

[@halfslyced]

Me as well... I can't wait to play assassin's Creed with Herrera in the trees 😁

[@Satchmo666]

@@halfslyced can't wait for that lol I'll name mine Desmond haha

[@ImfamousTYB]

Hit box!! please please shrink them closer or fix the attack! It’s not skillful to hit something ur actually not!! With big bad things like dieno or steg and up coming preds!! Tic rates and registries both attacker and the attacked need help yet in my book. If your not precise you should pay the price!! With great power comes sacrifice. Think of that?

[@halfslyced]

Big brain. Hot boxes have always been a problem. I'm sick of carnis charging and knocking me down even tho they only hit the top of my tail 💀

[@mori_aGhostboi]

this is kind of off topic from the topic of your video but I feel like the game just doesn't have enough shit to do. the devas get salty about how everyone just afk grows when there isn't a reason for us not to. the game has some really awesome and detailed mechanics but a lot of them have something to do with pvp witch its actually fun when your an adult so its just boring till then, or its just mechanics that are kind of cool but don't really add anything special to the game like liking a salt rock to get rid of vomit sickness or wallowing in mud to stop bleed. there cool and thoughtful mechanics but their just kind of pointless in the long run. the way I see it there needs to be more pve elements that all growth stages of dino's can take part in that make growing your dino genuinely fun. I'm sure its fun for some already but I think they would agree there needs to be more two. I could go in much more detail but this is long enough lol. also these are just my thoughts and the way I see things

[@halfslyced]

My favorite comment so far. This is THE BIGGEST issue with the game so far. The game is in early access so they have plenty of time to add more pve elements. (Hopefully) but yeah creatures need more things to do other than fight shit. Like self maintenance would be cool, like how birds knaw at hard things to shave their beak, and bears clawing trees and scratching themselves. A bunch of small stuff like this would make the world so much more alive and dynamic.

[@mori_aGhostboi]

@@halfslyced that is true, and they don't have a release date set so they have nothing stopping them from taking there time to prefect things and take more time to come up with creative ideas. and there taking a step in the right direction with migration witch makes me very happy. and HOLEY FUCK, self maintenance is an absolute baller idea. that would be such an amazing feature!

[@halfslyced]

@@mori_aGhostboi there's a lot of inspiration they can take from real life, because what better mechanics to copy than the ones that nature already has shown us.