The Arc A380 Still Sorta Sucks...

[@IcebergTech]

Sorry 😊

[@BudgetBin]

Unsubscribed. Blocked. Reported.

[@EnglishGamer2019]

@@BudgetBin 😂😂😂

[@No-mq5lw]

Kind of wish that there was a special edition Airbus version of the Arc A380. But yeah, the A380 fits a market segment that doesn't quite large enough for it.

[@BudgetBin]

I agree, don't buy a 30 million Airbus A380.

[@abunk8691]

I found the bin references on this videos quite funny and really fits comsidering your channel name. The A380 issues people encounter is unfortunate but its a 1st gen product and the amount of hardware combinations of PCs the 1st gen Arc cards are being used/tested on is so much that I just applaud the driver devs for making them works across very different combinations of hardware.

[@BudgetBin]

I'm glad you liked the jokes. :) And yeah, I think Intel has done an amazing job with this card and it's generation all around. I hope things can only go up from here!

[@Tracenji]

it might suck for windows gamers but for encoding/transcoding video it's awesome (at least on Linux, i have no experience with any ARC card on windows)

[@BudgetBin]

I agree, AV1 looks very promising.

[@ErickGarcia-xo2yp]

It's excellent as a second GPU for encoding AV1 video on Handbrake on Windows. Even on slower CPU's that don't have ReBAR support.

[@janwitkowsky8787]

Having budget cards require ReBAR and PCIe 4.0 was the dumbest thing ever, because for the longest time, the only systems that could handle both things, were Ryzen 3000 series on B550 & X470/570 boards, which are NOT budget build systems.

[@bryanwages3518]

I was working on a friend's computer and he had a x370 gigabyte board on the orginal bios from 2017. When i went to update the motherboard. Gigabyte had 6 different versions of this motherboard, and it took me forever to figure out which version he had before we could update it.

[@grimmpickins2559]

Honestly, I started to support Intel as the underdog by oddly choosing the a380 for an ultramodern lowend build (paired with g7400 Pentium). I didn't skimp on RAM, or storage - as I meant for this test system to become a real one. I used a business class motherboard, which - sadly - undersupported the DDR5 RAM but allowed me at least a bit above DDR4. Older games, those 2 cores/4 threads with the Arc? Well, yeah, they did it, sometimes well. Overall, it honestly seemed that the CPU was lagging in the sorts of games I was playing - cRPGs (like BG3, I had to go to my real system for that one... Owlcat's stuff, some really old shit). It did OK. I bought mine for around $100, little bit less, and it was fun. Not 980ti fun. Not Titan Black fun. But fun, like a 1050ti, yeah, like that ;)

[@BudgetBin]

Yeah I think 1050ti fun would be the best way of putting it. Nothing crazy, but nothing to count out either.

[@wilsondavenport6939]

My father has an A750 I got him. Basically if you want the driver updates to work right you need intel driver update utilities witch is a separate app from the gpu drivers unfortunately

[@Wonder-2525]

Was windows installed as MBR or GPT? I recently enabled ReBar on my Ryzen 3600 and 5700XT system and had to make sure Windows was in UEFI mode before doing so.

[@BudgetBin]

This is something I do need to look into because it could be that windows is in MBR. At the same time that would be strange since I did a fresh install recently. If it is, it would explain a lot, but also be rather irritating to know.

[@Wonder-2525]

@@BudgetBin Check with MSINFO32. It'll tell you if you are in Legacy or UEFI. If the drive was setup as MBR and CSM was enabled, Windows probably installed in legacy mode. If your install disk isn't UEFI, it can cause Windows to be installed as MBR as well.

[@Winnetou17]

It's so weird that the resizeable BAR is tied in somehow with the boot method. They should be totally separate functions. I don't know the exact details, so I might be wrong, but I feel like ASUS is to blame. I recently started to hate their BIOS too. I have an otherwise excellent laptop, still going strong at 7 and a half years old. When I had to disable XMP for the RAM because the timings were no longer able to be reliably met (can't tell if it's the RAM sticks or the IMC, but I had constant random blue screens and memtest revealed that it's RAM issue with bad timings) I was blown away at how bad the BIOS is. And I couldn't disable XMP or change the memory bandwidth/timings in any way, I simply was lucky that I still had the original RAM stick which had quite bad (slow) timings and I put that in and solved it like this. Then, several months ago, I had to disable Intel RAID so I can install Linux, and I was again blown away at how bad this BIOS is. Absolute bare minimum. I hate it!

[@Wonder-2525]

@@Winnetou17 CSM forces REBAR off because CSM requires the old school 256MB VRAM blocks for BIOS legacy support. You can't have CSM and REBAR because they are trying to accomplish the opposite things as far as addressing VRAM.

[@Winnetou17]

@@Wonder-2525 Ok, good to know, thank you! So in this case it isn't ASUS' fault.

[@empedance1933]

I ran into a similar bios update issue on a gigabyte H97n motherboard, there is seperate bios updates for the Wifi Version and the one with no wifi, and mine is the latter. But it still has the MPCIE wifi card slot so all the circuitry and whatnot is still there, but when i tried to update using the wifi variant updatez it kept failing saying "mismatched bios" or something to that effect. Drove me insane for a day or two as well until i found the gigabyte support webpage for the non wifi variant lol

[@EnglishGamer2019]

If it’s possible to find it cheap on the second hand market, it would pair well with streamers

[@BudgetBin]

Something I definitely will talk and maybe test in the future with it is that exactly. Because if you got it for a sub $100 price tag, I could see it being a much better deal in that respect. Also, AV1 encoding seems to work great now that there is clear support for it, so I also agree with you on that one.

[@nadtz]

It's almost impossible to find for less than msrp right now but if you want a decent cheap media center card this card is great for that and less than half the price of a used A2000

[@KaedeDaKae]

I bought the Arc a380 with the intent to use it for 1440p60fps AV1 encoding paired up with my 7900XT (Since AMD's encoder's suck for recording and gobble up tons and tons of space) very recently did I need to RMA my 7900XT and I was left to use my arc a380 as my primary GPU for a few weeks. and with that, we gamed! Unnnntttiiiilllll I was constantly having significant frame time issues on CS2 of which lowering my Grapic's to 720P low did NOT fix. anything I did did not fix the stuttering and the issues I had with this playing CS2. which I found really strange that the frametime was god awful regardless if I had resizable bar enabled. regardless if I lowered my settings down to an absolute potato and got it running at 200+ FPS. Hell even swapping the PCI spot on my motherboard this card took to the big boy slot. the first x16 slot which I haven't done initially mostly cus I was really lazy and dint think it would effect the performance all too much. and to be fair it really really did not do anything as far as fps and frametime goes. All I could chalk this up to was CS2 just not being compatible with at least the intel arc a380. at least for me it wasnt. This card seems like it was designed more so for my specific use case I bought it for. the encoding... Cus oh boy... does this thing **encode**... Its really REALLY good for that specific use case. Though I dont see much value in it in any other use case imho. For gaming at least if I had to pick this over the RX 580. Im gonna pick that 580 any day of the week. (Iv also personally had that card when initally building out my system before upgrading to my 7900XT and it was a very stable and good experience)

[@Djhg2000]

Resizable BAR isn't one of those arbitrary requirements Windows throws at us every now and then, the GPU really does need it. AMD and NVIDIA GPUs still perform well without it because their driver architecture is using it as an afterthought; finding something to use it for to improve performance in some places they thought of. Intel didn't do that, because they wrote much of their driver from scratch after resizable BAR became a thing. They had the opportunity to use resizable BAR from day 1 and build it on the assumption that resizable BAR would be available, with some fallback solution if it wasn't available. Let that sink in for a minute. The same performance gains we see on Intel with resizable BAR is probably available to AMD and NVIDIA too if they were to rewrite their drivers from scratch. This is just a qualified guess but I think NVIDIA has the most to gain from it because last I checked their driver is very sensitive to CPU bottlenecks compared to AMDs drivers. Optimized memory buffer sharing might be just what NVIDIA needs to squeeze that last little bit out of their cards. On the other hand, AMD was out ahead on the implementation so they might be able to deliver on it sooner. Regardless, Intel is both the winner and the loser here. They win on the basis that they are way ahead on the competition on utilizing new features, but they are doing it at the cost of having computationally expensive fallback solutions when those features are unavailable. Who knows, maybe that will make them dominate the used market in a few years when those features are commonplace even in aged low end systems, or maybe they will always keep pushing the envelope and render their cards useless on anything but the cutting edge. Only time will tell I guess.

[@BudgetBin]

I agree, only time will really tell. It really is a double edged sword and it could be the next best thing since like you said, with the used market getting slowly newer and better parts that support its architecture (motherboards and CPUs) we could see this becoming a great option, especially with the newer generations that Intel promises to bring.

[@malik-mahdi]

for gaming 3/10 good for minecraft and thats it but for cheap budget video editing this is a beast a 100$ gpu with av1 encoding and decoding this would be a good upgread for those i5 12600k video editing rigs we could finally see good video editing pc's that doesnt use the igpu to render 1and half hour 4k video ( 2h12min i aint waiting that long)

[@BudgetBin]

Yeah next video on this card that I do will def be on its video encoding.

[@malik-mahdi]

@@BudgetBin and we should keep in mind that the main purpose of arc gpu's is content creation with av1 encoding and much vram (arc a770 with 16 gb) and better than the others in video rendering and ggod enought in blender

[@No-mq5lw]

Kind of wish the Pro version of this card actually exists. That version is powered only through the PCIe bus and is single slot. Can't remember if it was half height but that version would be gangbusters as a transcode server.

[@MrMunkyMeat]

I have one in my system that I use daily and it has had no issues. I use it as a dedicated encoder for streaming as a second card so that my main GPU (RX6900XT) can focus on the games. So much better than dropping $1K on a new RX7900XT to have the same performance.

[@asdasqwd]

the arc a380 needs 11th gen intel cpu it is mostly not gonna work with a bit older pcs if you want to upgrade them

[@BudgetBin]

Yeah that is the major flaw of all Arc cards as of now. Maybe custom drivers in the future could fix this? But I doubt it.

[@No-mq5lw]

Patched BIOS with Rebar enabled is probably going to be the best way forward for these

[@ashifabedin]

Hi i am from Bangladesh ..enjoyed your video on this card... my pc is intel i3 10100 ( 10 gen) no gpu now i am running linux mint for two year .... now i want to go back to windos 10 ( for primer pro) can i use this card coz buying a new card with 3 year warranty make scence for me..and i do like to play esport same time to time,,rx 580 tho cheaper but it consume more power...(yes electric bill is a concern for me) so my qustion is shoud i buy this couse it have new AI codec for video edit ...or buy the gtx 1030 ...

[@NicCrimson]

Haven't had any major issues so far. It was just plug and play for me. Only problems was with GTA V(low fps), and unexpected low performance in Minecraft compared to what I should be getting(mods fixed this.)

[@BudgetBin]

Yeah I've noticed for some people it's either not much or nothing, for just using it, or just a complete mess of issues when they usually do everything they are told to do to make it work with their system. Glad yours worked for the most part!

[@csh9853]

I hate that you and iceberg had problems,but i have a maxsun b660 mb and a 12100f cpu with the a380 and have no problems what so ever.

[@BudgetBin]

Yeah it can be really hit or miss with some people. I want the card to be a hit so bad, because, honestly it wouldn't be that bad of a card for a budget build. Especially if you had to keep your budget as low as possible.

[@ChuwiEnjoyer]

I don't blame you for the troubles you had with the a380. Being an early adopter comes with plenty of pain, and sadly this card in particular is aimed at a section of the market that cannot tolerate these issues. the A380 just aint worth it

[@BudgetBin]

As of now I agree, but time will tell, and who knows? Maybe in another year, this could be a budget GPU hero for some newer builds.

[@ChuwiEnjoyer]

@@BudgetBin oh yea, when prebuilds from 11th gen and up start showing up for cheap itll be a pretty decent card Im just worried the market will move along too quickly for that, its already being overtaken by iGPUs in some cases. I do think its a fine card for productivity, just a lil bit too late and a little too complicated to be a budget hero. Id love to be proven wrong though!

[@Jackpkmn]

There are A LOT of valid criticisms to be had of the A380. You being unable to properly setup and maintain your computer is not one of them. Hard dislike of this video.

[@BudgetBin]

I disagree.

[@thegamingwubba]

I’m curious what you mean by this? Could you elaborate what he did wrong in setting up or maintaining his system?

[@jbx2023]

​@@thegamingwubbaI think he means the ignorance about rebar and reluctance to update drivers? Imo guy made an ill informed purchase and blames the a380. It's a first gen product, flawless performance was a misplaced expectation. Gamers Nexus did a good job reviewing it, the arc lineup isn't for people looking to plug n play.

[@SolomonBon]

Yeah even in game pc the Intel gpu got lower scores.

[@BudgetBin]

I just wonder if there will ever be a driver that will drop one day that will just flat out double this cards performance across the boards. I doubt it will happen but hey, who knows? No one saw Intel going into the GPU market so anything could happen at this point.

[@tobyhines7587]

just put one in My HTPC. replacing RX 570, just to try it.

[@ShantalhaitianPrincess]

this isnt a gaming card its a htpc and encoding card and its great at those task better than the rx 580, gtx 1650, a600, and rx 6500

[@neail5466]

Absolutely, but the power connector is absolutely non-necessary, that is the biggest pain point for me.

[@ShantalhaitianPrincess]

@@neail5466 ok im falling out of love for my card now after the last 3 driver updates for ubuntu ruined my system drivers and required a new system install

[@ggxsky4811]

It's better than 1650 at gaming what are you on

[@ShantalhaitianPrincess]

@@ggxsky4811 wasnt talking about gaming lol i said its great at encoding videos better than the cards i mentioned

[@neail5466]

@@ggxsky4811 I am just considering this for video decoding, not gaming.

[@TurboD16z6]

Pcie 3.0 that's the problem with old cpu

[@Mr11ESSE111]

and in same time i see some stupid or just payed by some store channels which advertise a380 as pretty good gpu even that gpu are slower then gtx 1060 which are near 3x slower then arc 580 which are only 40$ more expensive then a380

[@weelebaseknowles4410]

I love Daliy driving my arc a750 8gb so good drivers they need to improve next generation and no one should buy it on first gen I have had to mess with my board to support it