I love how Vinick takes one look at the briefing and instantly starts to advise Santos on how to solve the problem. His objections get forgotten in an instant and he becomes Secretary of State. What a shame we never had a Season 8 to see how that played out. Alan Alda and Jimmy Smits played their roles to absolute perfection is this show and despite their being seven full seasons I was left wanting more. I can't think of any other show where I truly felt that way.
@llmyth0079 жыл бұрын
MrPeterpiper1969 Tho this is one of my favorite shows of all time I think it ended right when it needed to. It was nowhere near as good as the first 4 seasons. What i would love to see is a new show with Charlie Young as the new president. Can have the rest of the old cast make cameos but that's it. All new cast but Charlie, and maybe Zoey.
@heisdeadjim8 жыл бұрын
Would agree except Santos knew Vinnick would agree. Two things are pertinent: 1/ Santos had given time for Vinnick to formulate his objections and was ready to counter them. 2/ As President-elect Santos would have been getting the security briefing but the decisions were being made in a White House that wasn't yet his. He wouldn't have been able to have a secure document just lying there unless he already knew the answer to his proposition.
@nxtwomenfan4977 жыл бұрын
Fantastic analysis and that was my favorite part of this scene.
@MarcusLeepapi7 жыл бұрын
Nice... I agree with you on this. Two goo actors in that show...I miss this show in general...
@djm44576 жыл бұрын
I agree with you completely. The show ended too fast. And we need it now more than ever before.
@vectorm44 жыл бұрын
Vinick made it clear, he will NOT be a "Yes man." That makes him, perhaps, the most valuable Cabinet Member.
@Adamdidit4 жыл бұрын
and its well setup in previous episodes and scenes where Santos is trying to navigate the congressional situation in order to explicitly not have a yes man
@DrownedInExile3 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of another Sorkin-ism, back from the days of Sports Night: "If you're dumb, surround yourself with smart people. If you're smart, surround yourself with smart people who disagree." - Isaac Jaffey
@row7593 жыл бұрын
Santos never wanted a yes man as Cabinet member. I think Vinick didn't realize that.
@zenmastermtl3 жыл бұрын
Leo said it to Ainsley Hayes years before. "The president likes smart people who disagree with him."
@joemckim11836 ай бұрын
@@gregfaber3417 And Trump would fire them all if they didn't participate in his attempt to steal the election.
@gunbladeuser192 жыл бұрын
"I don't want to go around you. I want you to do the job." "And when we disagree?" "I would give you all the time in the world to set me straight. And then I'd expect you to go out there and sell whatever decision I've made." Right there. That pause in a response, and the hard close of the eyes is when he accepts his honesty that they will work Together through future problems. That's when he realizes it's not a play, but a reality and all he has to do is say "yes."
@fredocarroll13 күн бұрын
Very true, but I think that moment is also -- and is supposed to be -- sad. The whole episode has Vinick talking about campaigning and polling and whatnot, even though his race is over. What I see in that moment and Santos's statement is the final recognition of the truth: 'I lost this election, Matt Santos is going to be my president, and it's time to accept that the buck won't stop with me, after all.' And then, Vinick does a supremely honorable thing and puts country first.
@andyt2k5 жыл бұрын
Vinick is an intellectual, he can't resist giving his view on how to fix a problem when presented to him, he's also aware that he'd be great at the job, which is why he never asks "why me" etc
@Elthenar4 жыл бұрын
Leo knew. When they figured out Vinick was going to run, Leo was the one telling everyone that this guy was going to be an 800 pound gorilla. If you are a Democratic politician, your worst nightmare is a Republican presidential candidate who can win California. The last time it happened was President Reagan. Reagan's second term he won every state but Mondale's home of Minnesota and DC. It was by most measures the second biggest ass whipping in a presidential campaign.
@dorkmax70733 жыл бұрын
@@Elthenar I'm a Democrat, a liberal's liberal, and I can confirm this. Shit, if a Republican can California, he's probably a Republican worth voting for.
@paullentz19722 жыл бұрын
@@dorkmax7073 Arnold will be the last Republican to ever win California (as governor) as well as Reagan being the last Republican to ever win Cali as President. The state is very diverse (which means it's Democratic). California citizens dont want the government preventing women from getting an abortion NOR do our citizens want to see gay marriage banned. Those two issues alone...will make California unattainable to any Republican.
@rcslyman8929 Жыл бұрын
@@dorkmax7073 Unfortunately, that Republican would never be put up by the current RINOs leading the GOP.
@GhostEye31 Жыл бұрын
@@rcslyman8929That's probably because all those Republicans you're calling RINOs are also the only ones who could win California.
@libertyann4394 жыл бұрын
Vinick would make a great Secretary of State. He's been to Korea!
@kbaer30384 жыл бұрын
Love it!!
@Ferskvand4 жыл бұрын
Well played👍
@MrCCollins19933 жыл бұрын
Get both parties around a table and start by getting them to agree on simply saying "Howdy"
@jimmy2k4o3 жыл бұрын
He’s also visited Peru on a Pam-am plane……..seeking out markets for his trade goods…..and buying paintings of Llamas.
@johnmckenzie46392 жыл бұрын
And he's a doctor!
@kingofalldoughboys3 жыл бұрын
This is one of my favorite scenes from the entire series. Despite his misgivings it becomes clear almost immediately that Arnold Vinick was the perfect choice for Secretary of State under Matthew Santos. Vinick's diplomatic savy combined with the respect for same by Santos brought the entire campaign full circle. Artfully written and masterfully acted.
@darkhorseash43372 жыл бұрын
Agreed. you can understand his fear but he sinks so effortlessly into the role.
@gnhansen29 Жыл бұрын
It was a great show. The West Wing.
@antonbruce12416 ай бұрын
And your opinions is made crystal clear at the end of this clip, where each man shows not only his knowledge, but his respect for the other man. THIS is the kind of thing we so desperately need in today's federal government, but which is sadly lacking.
@johnsumser97434 ай бұрын
Brilliant writing and wonderful actors.
@fionam7768 Жыл бұрын
Someone so right for any job can't help themselves from doing the job - Santos's smarts is distracting him from coming up with reasons how it won't work long enough to start actually doing it despite all those reasons... the world needs more Vinicks as well as more Santos: people for whom the issues are bigger than the colour of their How-to-Vote cards
@michaelmuldowney88 жыл бұрын
Alan Alda was magnificent in this role - would have loved to have seen a show with him as President.
@ReelMeurik7 жыл бұрын
Here's a cool fact: Alan Alda was one of the original actors considered to play President Bartlet, before Martin Sheen landed the role :)
@aliferrari27 жыл бұрын
Vinick was originally supposed to win but when John Spencer died they decided it would be too sad for Santos to lose both his running mate and the election at once so they changed it
@rehanmemon39696 жыл бұрын
@AMagicDragon, Is this true or are you speculating?
@tadtranclere37296 жыл бұрын
rehan memon it’s something some people involved with the show claim and something others who were involved refute. It’s difficult to tell if it is true or not.
@stillsearching12845 жыл бұрын
I liked Vinick better than Santos. He had more integrity.
If you notice, when Santos answers the "When we disagree" question is when he has him. The look on Vinnick's face shows that his REAL reservations have been satisfied.
@ILuvSmexyShowgirls8 жыл бұрын
Good. GOOD. Recognizing the skills your former rival has and putting them to good use for the good of all.
@tobiojo58066 жыл бұрын
ILuvSmexyShowgirls awesome.
@switchboard984 жыл бұрын
I think they always respected each other...they just had diametrically opposed views. But they were both coming from a place of service.
@MoviePolitik4 жыл бұрын
The only difference between Santos and Vinick was that they were on opposite sides of an election
@kdmdlo3 жыл бұрын
As the old (and slightly crude) statement goes: better to have your enemy inside your tent pissing out ... rather than outside your tent pissing in.
@larrysullivan88903 жыл бұрын
@Joshua Pope...great point ! So much for people stating this was a " die hard Liberal" show. Just observe the excellent Republicans played by Alda, John Goodman, Emily Proctor; Matthew Perry, etc.
@rodneyrankin38783 жыл бұрын
A Season 8, built around Smits and Alda would have been a treat.
@travismoore79385 ай бұрын
I wish they had gone at least one more season and had Smits as the President handling the crisis started in the last season. The West Wing was so good that it left me wanting more which is not usually the case.
@fayesouthall66043 ай бұрын
I loved the final season, another season would have been great.
@stevewisniewski58604 жыл бұрын
Alan Alda. One of the greatest actors in history amongst many. Extremely brilliant truthful and the characters that he portrayed were just characters but he did it so prominently. Oh I could feel as ifI was right there next to him true to life even though it’s just a television show or a movie. Pretty cool guy. Thanks for your entertainment my friend.
@michaelrchan Жыл бұрын
I love this scene. As far from reality it may seem regarding the current state of affairs in American politics, there are truly elite intellectuals that are practiced and thoughtful, who see the world, not just polling.
@carycimino7699 Жыл бұрын
Ah the word elite... thats what we need the smartest, brightest, best educated; Elite. How did that become a bad word or thing? I listen to Trump, MGT, Boebart and the rest and shiver. Yes, understanding political philosophy, history and diplomacy are corner stones for government decisions.
@99beowulf996 ай бұрын
I could see McCain as Secretary of State too.
@nata34675 ай бұрын
Bob Dole came on board for Clinton in the Balkans...as a real patriot he put country first- he took some guff from the right and basically told them to piss off as only Bob Dole could do. He would have made mincemeat of Trump.
@michaelrchan5 ай бұрын
@@nata3467 I have nothing but respect for Bob Dole. Amazing human being.
@JB-xl2jc4 ай бұрын
@@nata3467 I am fairly young so I grew up knowing Bob Dole from things like Family Guy and memes and never took a moment to respect him. But when I hear of what he's done more recently, I have started to redress my opinion. They say he even was the strongest voice pushing DJT not to go full on heavy handed with using official force to stop Pence from confirming the election, which apparently Donald took somewhat to heart, as he eventually did leave office and never used government resources to "stop" Pence.
@BaileysMariner8 жыл бұрын
I love how he never actually says "yes" to the job. He just takes the report out of Santos' hand, the negotiation is over and the pair get to work.
@ReelMeurik7 жыл бұрын
As Bartlet would've said... "What's next?" :)
@GH-jb6bq4 жыл бұрын
Santos handed Vinnick the foreign policy 'crack pipe' and away they went
@sphericalempirical93594 жыл бұрын
That was the carrot though wasn’t it. It’s good writing. I miss it. Perhaps a re-boot with the Orange cheeto for sh!ts and giggles.
@uliwidmaier51922 жыл бұрын
Beautifully put - made me laugh. In a few years maybe, when he's safely no longer claiming the presidency.
@cdjhyoung4 ай бұрын
@@uliwidmaier5192 Don't think it would really happen. It wouldn't be a reboot of West Wing, more of an old white man's version of Orange is the New Black.
@DAC02712 жыл бұрын
This was a great way to wrap up the Vinick character.
@MoviePolitik4 жыл бұрын
Started out as a guy who felt he'd lost to a guy who won a position made exactly for him
@shuttlecrossing14337 ай бұрын
@@FabledGentleman There was a camp in the writers' staff that wanted Vinick to win but it was never set in stone either way, at least until Spencer's death.
@nibrasge637511 ай бұрын
This is why I wish the series continued 😢
@apok19804 ай бұрын
Yes, I know. The show was great, but got weak after Sorkin left. But the last season and a half really revamped the show and made me desperate for more. We don’t have many political shows, but West Wing is the gold standard.
@nibrasge63754 ай бұрын
@@apok1980Facts!
@enprise73353 ай бұрын
Me too! A last season with santos and Vinick would have been superb.
@sallybelknap8248 жыл бұрын
I just finished seeing the entire series. I hadn't seen it at all. Holy crap, is it GOOD! The biggest thing for me is, that this series is 10 years old and we're STILL dealing with the same issues in the world, in our government...
@Gam3Junkie7 жыл бұрын
I started on it a couple of weeks ago and I just finished it a couple of days ago. Can't believe I didn't watch it until now. Losing Leo was devastating and I would have loved to see him as VP.
@ered2032 жыл бұрын
The more things change, the more they stay the same. I am currently (2022) watching Madam Secretary, and the entire series is just a detailed foreshadowing of how the Ukraine Crisis was/is going to unfold. It is scary how accurate the show was.
@Infernal4602 жыл бұрын
Id say things are a hell alot worse.
@jamesdeerwood146 Жыл бұрын
@@Infernal460 Wondering if people will be repeating that in the years to come...
@da.reverend3 ай бұрын
Thank you, Mr. Secretary, for your solid advice. What a wonderful scene acted by fine actors.
@dirdib693 жыл бұрын
One of the best indicators of good writing in any show is the strength and depth of secondary and supporting characters.
@reelsoffortuneslotsplay42672 жыл бұрын
I think adding Peggy Noonan to the writing staff helped a great deal
@kettle_of_chris2 жыл бұрын
Oh my god - yes! Couldn't agree more!
@jimmy2k4o Жыл бұрын
At this point they were main characters.
@kazimierzgarshin39248 жыл бұрын
2.00, Vinick: this is crazy. I don't see how this can work. 2.32: And it is already working.
@row7598 жыл бұрын
That is why, Santos show that report to prove it is going to work.
@Griezz7 жыл бұрын
Actually, Vinick was already heading in the direction of acceptance; just look at 1:20, when Vinick started laying out conditions. Also, at 1:45, Vinick says that if the Undersecretary of Politicla Affairs does one partisan thing, "I'm outta there." If he wasn't going to do it, Vinick would have said, "I'd be outta there."
@TAC6182 жыл бұрын
It's my favorite scene in the entire series. At the 3 minute mark, I love how Santos shyly tilts his head and gives a half smile at Vinick, knowing the partnership is gonna work.
@marysheeran5192 жыл бұрын
I always cry when I get to this scene. It's just such...right now...a work of fiction. You just want to live in that world.
@keyboarddancers77512 жыл бұрын
I wonder if a Santos/Vinick administration would've averted the Ukraine situation?
@dudeirock5552 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more, feels worse and worse as time goes on.
@AmazingChinaToday2 жыл бұрын
@@keyboarddancers7751 It's almost certain they woud have averted the Ukraine situation, because they never would have suggested Ukraine join NATO as Kamala Harris did, thus forcing Putin's hand, and he invaded days after Kamala's tone deaf, reckless statements about Ukraine joining NATO.
@Nickle_King2 жыл бұрын
@@AmazingChinaToday If you think War is as simple as one person suggesting something, then you do not understand the situation. You think military maneuvers can be organized in DAYS? An invasion isn't a Drive Through McD's run.
@AmazingChinaToday2 жыл бұрын
@@Nickle_King There's definitely a lack of understanding. Russia mobilized and positioned their forces for MONTHS, not days, before Kamala went to the region and threw gasoline onto the fire by suggesting Ukraine join NATO.
@thephantomeagle24 жыл бұрын
Oh what could've been. Imagine a full season of President Santos, with Vinick a frequent visitor to the White House.
@MoviePolitik4 жыл бұрын
Would've been the new Leo
@EchoMirage724 жыл бұрын
Oh the interactions that we could have had between Vinick and Lord Marbury.
@MoviePolitik4 жыл бұрын
@@EchoMirage72 I see Vinick as trying his best to be patient with him as he can
@randallbanks15897 жыл бұрын
The best part of this was how Vinnick completely forgot about any animosity over the election. Any jealousy over the election was also forgotten. He instantly became Vinnick's biggest fan, and a huge help. Arnold gave frank, honest, and great advice to the President Elect. Too bad we don't see more of that in real life.
@justinchandler60454 жыл бұрын
@MikeJames6 Well, this aged poorly.
@justinchandler60454 жыл бұрын
@MikeJames6 Yes because Trump not conceding, losing 2-33 in election court cases and slowing the transition process is being "gracious." Don't be blindly partisan, kid.
@justinchandler60454 жыл бұрын
@MikeJames6 Hey kid, Trump is currently the president. He just lost the election. Ergo, it is relevant to bring him up in the discussion concerning post election grace. What his predecessors did is irrelevant when discussing whether or not Republicans act the same way. I shouldn't have to spell it out for you, but clearly I have to in this case.
@justinchandler60454 жыл бұрын
@MikeJames6 Your question is irrelevant. Like I said, what does Clinton and Obama have to do with how Trump is currently acting? You're avoiding the premise simply because you know I'm right and have to resort to 4chan buzzwords in order to seem relevant in a discussion that you have no true value on. Get back to me whenever you're able to approach this with some emotional nuance or historical relevancy. Until then, continue screaming into your pillow "BUT OBAMA" until you get some sense of satisfaction that you're missing.
@DrownedInExile3 жыл бұрын
@MikeJames6 Laughable. Did Obama refuse to cooperate with Trump's transition team? Spend weeks lying about election fraud and fomenting an insurrection? Nah don't answer that. You're more full of shit than a sewer.
@doberski68559 жыл бұрын
The minute he was handed the briefing you just knew Vinick was taking the job. I am sorry that the show did not continue with these two at the helm of a new group of characters on the staff.
@gildavis82669 жыл бұрын
I agree with that. It would be great to have it back on the air. Taken as a whole, it's some of the best television ever made.
@varianschirmer93755 жыл бұрын
Just to see the staff fill out.
@kevinw7125 жыл бұрын
back when we knew Studio 60 was happening but before we had a bunch of specific details, I'd actually wondered if there'd be an outside possibility it would exist in that same universe, that Matt Santos was president. But I think probably that was never even really considered at all.
@GH-jb6bq4 жыл бұрын
With Josh Lyman as Chief of Staff undercutting Vinnick constantly ?
@anthonywatts20333 жыл бұрын
Sadly real world politics had moved on....
@southerne55753 ай бұрын
How great would it be if our politicians acted like these two. Worked for the good of the country.
@jamesbailey68654 жыл бұрын
How great would it have been to continue the story line with these two guys. Gives me goosebumps just thinking about it.
@jeffbilek92132 жыл бұрын
It would have been EPIC! So disappointed that it did not.
@schana96 Жыл бұрын
I don't know, I'm kind of glad they let it end gracefully. Other shows drag on, and on way past their due date.
@yoyoyojeremy4 жыл бұрын
my gods, if we had statesmen like this today.
@patfulton77465 жыл бұрын
Reminds me all over again how much I loved that show and how much I miss it.
@robkemp5984 жыл бұрын
I love how Vinnick can't get his head around the fact that Santos actually thinks he'd be great at the job.
@SharpLady533 жыл бұрын
...and doesn't have an ulterior motive!
@Nakaelena3 жыл бұрын
The GOP, gonna gop, lol.
@RandallHallKaizenReiki3 жыл бұрын
That's what happens when you spend your life playing party politics. You get the mindset that "they" are bad and "we" are good, and only a select few can overcome that.
@Craig-ib7gk3 жыл бұрын
I disagree. He knows he's *perfect* for that job; literally the best choice possible. His struggle is dealing with the realization that his brilliance at executing that role could ultimately cast favorable the perceptions and impressions of the White House, the occupants of which he otherwise disagrees with on nearly all domestic matters. That is the reason he is so blatant about calling out how, in all domestic matters, he'll have no part in endorsing even the smallest part of their administrative agendas. Even then, he can't help but realize the better his performance, the better the administration will end up being overall, and it eats at him. But, he ultimately rises above it because he realizes its the price to pay for the betterment of the nation on the world stage.
@a.m.hofmeister7253 жыл бұрын
You have to keep in mind he's still a politician. He is required to toe the line with his party or they turn on him. Parties are more powerful than people in America. Mathematical consequence of our voting system
@Elthenar4 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite bits was just before the election. When Bartlett called them both into the Oval Office and laid out what was going in between Russia and China and his plans to send troops. Those two looked at each other with a face of pure shock and started finishing each others sentences. For all their disagreements on domestic policy, they were in lockstep of foreign affairs.
@mc763 жыл бұрын
The touch on the arm with the intelligence briefing is such a subtle gesture, one that I can almost guarantee was ad-libbed by Alda.
@zoltan9025 жыл бұрын
Vinick is one of the most fascinating and captivating characterisations to ever hit the screen. And unlike the most of the other WW characters, he's intelligent without being a snarky smartass (I'm thinking Josh Lyman).
@Namath10004 жыл бұрын
Sam Seaborn was intelligent without being a snarky smartass.
@jasoncooper14224 жыл бұрын
Look at the actor. A.A. is the best.
@tartfuel4 жыл бұрын
Leo, CJ, Toby, Sam, Charlie, Jed Bartlett, Abby, Donna, Ainsley - the list goes on and on of smart WW characters who weren't a smartass.
@zoltan9024 жыл бұрын
@@tartfuel They're all snarks. Most of their dialogue is written to arrogantly one-up each other in battle of the wits. Intelligent, but irritating.
@tartfuel4 жыл бұрын
@@zoltan902 just because the joke around doesn't make them snarks. I think maybe you have a problem with shows about smart people or think that smart people can't also be funny.
@tomscott44383 жыл бұрын
You're out of excuses Arnie. Such a textured scene and amazing performances. "I don't see how this can work". Like this. Awesome. Another season of these two would have been amazing. What could have been.
@GopherBaroque615 жыл бұрын
I always wanted a "West Wing: Ten Years On" kinda of show with Sam Seaborn as President.
@joemckim11835 жыл бұрын
Will Bailey as his Chief of Staff. Josh as Secretary of something.
@darkhorseash43375 жыл бұрын
@@joemckim1183 No. Josh as chief of staff.
@joemckim11835 жыл бұрын
@@darkhorseash4337 He'll be the Chief of Staff for Santos' 8 years but after that long he would be in position to have an even bigger job title.
@darkhorseash43375 жыл бұрын
@@joemckim1183 like what? Theres not much higher lol
@LJGreni5 жыл бұрын
Mayor of a big city like NYC or Chicago.
@voelligharmlos4113 жыл бұрын
That is a really really ecxellent played scene by the actors AND the writer. You see how Vinick has its doubts on the offer of secretary of state and how he is struggling with Santos AND his own decision and ambition. Santos is literally making SLOWLY one step after the other towards Vinick to get him for the job in which Vinick would be excellent. And Vinick shows that immediately. Very well played!!
@davidstout8604 Жыл бұрын
Alan Alda is a superb actor who runs circles around most others.
@JoseFiguerasMorales5 ай бұрын
The honorable acts of every character in this series its outstanding and make us wish that the politicians in the world conduct themselves like that
@MegaWolfgang10 жыл бұрын
Pity they never did a show about this administration.
@Bayougirl7810 жыл бұрын
That would have been pretty cool if they had done a spin-off for the new administration. I would have watched it.
@vectorm45 жыл бұрын
The bar was set really high. Look at this clip - the quality of such a show is tough to keep at such a high level.
@DanielSanchez-og4ox4 жыл бұрын
NBC never gave it a chance. Realty shows are cheaper. Too bad NETFLIX wasn't a bigger factor when the West Wing was still in production. It would have been a perfect avenue for that show.
@MariusRiley4 жыл бұрын
: Originally Vinnick was slated to win at the end. John Spencer’s untimely death forced a change in direction. - I’m not sure if WW really could’ve had a second act. Very hard act to follow.
@traviskarnes68255 ай бұрын
Santos was all but a 1 term President anyway
@googoo-gjoob4 жыл бұрын
The *GREATEST* show in the _HISTORY_ of television.
@mattpope17464 жыл бұрын
1:50 when Vinnick realizes Santos has shot down all his objections and this might actually be for real.
@Astro45454 ай бұрын
Just his “I don’t know” he’s left bewildered
@bchen07093 жыл бұрын
“I would give you all the time you needed to set me straight. And then I expect to go out and sell whatever decision I make.” Beautiful summation of leadership and a united front.
@benjaminvalenzuela39483 жыл бұрын
I don’t know, I always liked the fact that they gave Alda’s character the respect he deserved in the finale. Alan Alda played his role brilliantly. I wish they had given Ed O’Neil more screen time though. I loved his acting in this series. I wish he had taken on more serious role in his career. He really is an underrated actor.
@gregfaber3417 Жыл бұрын
Vinick was originally supposed to win but after the death of John Spencer they decided to have Santos win
@LancelotSwe Жыл бұрын
@@gregfaber3417 I’ve read the opposite, Santos was to win.
@allendracabal0819 Жыл бұрын
There are conflicting stories being told by various people involved with the show. That's why differing explanations are being heard.
@vdoggydogg3922 Жыл бұрын
@@gregfaber3417 This is the left wing...they would never let a republican win.That being said i loved this series and made the republican opponent the best written character in the show.
@rugbynimbus4 жыл бұрын
I recently commented on a "John Adams" video about how the Founding Fathers was a mix of liberal and conservatives and varying degrees in between (and NOT all conservatives, though the Right would like to think so). Sure, they disagreed, they bickered, they followed alliances--and then the got shit done anyway. Each side has a place at the table, each is capable of bringing something valuable with them. The real question is who has the balls to take the risk and make it happen that way again? Bring in the best you have, regardless of party. If only if only.
@bluekitty3731 Жыл бұрын
This offer from Santos to Vinick, a rival, is exactly what Lincoln did with with own cabinet, he staffed it with men who were political rivals, but men Lincoln had respected.
@VtRD8 күн бұрын
Yes, and a book was written about this, called Team of Rivals. Seward in particular-HE was the favorite for the Republican nomination, not Lincoln. Once in office, Seward doubted Lincoln’s ability to do the job and soon became one of his greatest allies.
@7775Kevin6 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this scene. Would have liked to have seen more of this play out in another season.
@thephantomeagle28 жыл бұрын
Alan Alda is easily one of my favorite actors of all time. I was a bit disappointed when he lost, but since I also really like Jimmy Smits, it wasn't so bad.
@keithmiller96653 жыл бұрын
Brillant video, I come back to this scene time after time. Excellent acting.
@timedrifter4 жыл бұрын
I would've loved to see how the series went forward with Santos at the helm. Would have been great TV.
@funhavin53942 ай бұрын
Allan Alda absolutely nails the Vinick character
@catherinewilliams9680Ай бұрын
Santos asking Vinick for his opinion was a genius move.
@Oecanside5 жыл бұрын
two GREAT actor's that do the job of acting so effortlessly . man i like both these guys
@suncore59810 жыл бұрын
The beginning of a beautiful friendship
@theolamp53126 жыл бұрын
+suncore598 - Casablanca ?
@RJSAMCRO4 жыл бұрын
2:48 Arnold Vinick becomes SOS this show without a doubt cannot ever be duplicated or made better
@drakenimmortal7 жыл бұрын
Amazing show, would have liked to seen a little bit of Santos’ White House in the end. Some of the best writing on tv
@TheGahta2 жыл бұрын
Brilliantly delivered
@ram718bkny4 жыл бұрын
I know that I may have commented on this but I cant help it; no matter how many times I’ve watch this, WHAT A GREAT SCENE!!! 😃😃😃
@peters61194 жыл бұрын
Those two guys did a great job in the last seasons of the series. There could easily have been many more seasons. Too bad it came to an end. Memorable television.
@Widmerpool996 жыл бұрын
It starts like the "nobody's perfect" exchange in Some Like It Hot.
@Traye762 жыл бұрын
Vinnick would see the current state of the real GOP and would probably switch parties.
@suemikeemery2 ай бұрын
Bet you never imagined it would get this bad
@MoviePolitik4 жыл бұрын
"I don't see how this can work" Santos handing that briefing was literally saying "I give you briefings and you get to work that's how this can work"
@varianschirmer93755 жыл бұрын
The scene prior to this with his former chief of staff (Patricia Richardson) & former strategist (Steven Root)..."You've gotta do this...!"
@jeffreynocera40177 жыл бұрын
Have to admit...Jimmy Smits was not my favorite on this (or any other) show, but, this episode and scene were amazing...His character knew that giving Vinnick a piece of information, and asking for his help, would get a yes response. That little grin towards the end did it..
@vcdep9916 жыл бұрын
Jeffrey Nocera yes, that little smirk at 3:02 says “I got em. He’s in.”
@RajaKhan-ym4rp4 жыл бұрын
You didn’t like him (Smits) on NYPD Blue?
@terrygracy83453 жыл бұрын
He was great in this show.
@tookiezzz28982 жыл бұрын
@@RajaKhan-ym4rp Bobby Simone was a great character on that show.
@Adenfall2 жыл бұрын
Jimmy Smits is great in any show or movie he's been in, I wish he was in more things
@ckhamlin26362 жыл бұрын
The way we wish politicians really were…
@kevini4295 Жыл бұрын
Perfect scene. Vinick is a bit shell-shocked he's being asked to do such an important job and more so that Santos intends to give him the power and leeway to do the job. Santos gives him that paperwork and Vinick immediately fits into Secretary of State role with ease.
@hannelarsen49183 жыл бұрын
Would have loved just one season with Pres. Santos - to see him navigate it all with Josh by his side.
@michaelmixon24796 жыл бұрын
This is what good government is about! The very best people coming together for a common cause!
@Zoomer304 жыл бұрын
Funny how they both just started saying "We"..... Very subtle.
@kbaer30384 жыл бұрын
Nice catch!!
@charmedjthreeisme7 жыл бұрын
Of ALL the shows being brought out for the newer generation... THIS SHOW needs to TOP the LIST!
@yahulwagoni45715 жыл бұрын
That would be a tough act to follow.
@fooman21082 жыл бұрын
Two of the best actors in the history of the medium, with one of the finest writing staffs doing great work! The sad thing is that every show demonstrated how awful are actual system and the candidates we have are!
@woohooboy2 жыл бұрын
It's scenes like this that remind audiences how good Alan Alda is at both comedy and drama. Hawkeye Pierce from M*A*S*H will forever be his signature role, but viewers saw him in a different light as Arnold Vinick on "The West Wing". Not surprising that he ended up winning the Emmy for his work on the show for that season.
@colinmerritt76455 жыл бұрын
"I don't see how this is going to work." Let me show you.
@rogerw3818 Жыл бұрын
The best thing about this show was that it gave us a glimpse of what the US government COULD be, if all we cared about was the best interests of all involved. The worst thing about this show is that it gives us a glimpse of what will NEVER be when it comes to the US government, because no one will ever place the best of the many over their own viewpoint.
@patrickmichael66385 ай бұрын
This reminds me of S7 ep. 1 “The Ticket” when Santos & McGarry are together in a room at Santos HQ & after having a bit of a rocky start, have a meeting-of-the-minds moment & immediately start plotting out a strategy to govern on day one… Bram: “What are they doing?” Josh: “Making plans”
@ohioexpax15924 жыл бұрын
We need more men like Santos and Vinick.
@ohioexpax15923 жыл бұрын
@@avae5343 too broad a brush It is a dirty business, but there are some decent people in the business
@tgleo18 ай бұрын
Alan Alda is so great as Vinick throughout every episode in which the character appears. It's truly one of the great arcs in any television series ever - and it appears in my favorite series ever. Jimmy Smits, who I've loved as far back as L.A. Law, is amazing as Santos. And scenes such as the Oval Office scene in which Bartlet tells Santos and Vinick he's sending U.S. troops to stand between Russia and China are astoundingly good fiction - fiction ripped from a fictional universe in which elected officials are deeply intelligent and capable and care deeply about our country, and the electorate makes thoughtful, good choices.
@markmaz563 жыл бұрын
I've always been amazed how this foreshadowed 2008 - an unknown POC wins the Presidency and then appoints his political rival as Secretary of State.
@OurFantasyLife10 ай бұрын
That was the right way to get Vinick into the job…just have him start doing the job and barely even realizing it lol
@pk74223 жыл бұрын
What makes me absolutely LOOOOOOVE this scene is that he takes the job w/o even taking the job!!! He's already working before he's even confirmed! As it should be.... *sigh*.......... The good ole days.
@andreghouse60697 жыл бұрын
The main reason why government today doesnt behave like this most outstanding portrayal is the lack of honour. Most people today dont even know how to spell honour let alone define it or god willing, live by it. In this series, it was clearly displayed - honour and respect. I too wish for governments today to find honoour and respect for not only their colleagues, but mor importantly their constituents and do what they were elected to do; govern.
@InvertedFreeSolo7 ай бұрын
One of my favorite scenes on an outstanding show
@TiboFPS8 жыл бұрын
The tie that vinick is wearing is the same one bartlet wore in the presidential debate
@brady130015 жыл бұрын
The one Abby Bartlett cut off or the one Josh gave him right before he went on?
@nigelft4 жыл бұрын
@@brady13001 Sorry for the delay; didn't see your comment until now ... Technically it was Josh's, as the one the Abby chopped up was more of a blue colour, and they were worried that the stripes may 'bleed' on camera.
@theseageek6 жыл бұрын
they should have a West Wing revival that focuses on the Santos administration, just my opinion
@craigster123410 ай бұрын
That's how it should be. Best person for the job. PERIOD.
@WifeWantsAWizard3 ай бұрын
You know, the only chance for the United States is going to come from those of us who saw this clip and didn't get angry.
@RogueBlackOp2 жыл бұрын
“This is your representative to the world.” “I agree.” Love how Santos showed no animosity towards Vinick and wanted him as his SoS. And as soon as Vinick got that report, all his suspicions went out the window. I really would’ve loved a season with these 2.
@miri6692 жыл бұрын
Why would he? Vinnick was the closest to an actual democrat you can get in Republican party. He also agreed on the spot on no negative campaign and a true debate on the issues. What was there for Santos to have animosity towards?
@RogueBlackOp2 жыл бұрын
@@miri669 I meant like general human nature. Santos showed no animosity to the guy who almost stopped him from becoming president. That’s what I meant. Not anything about the parties.
@alarisjinn34322 жыл бұрын
@@miri669 Vinnick was such a Republican. A tax-cut, states rights Republican.
@nickcalmes8987 Жыл бұрын
@@alarisjinn3432 yes he was. that moment in the debate was cut from the cloth republican.
@LabradorIndependent2 жыл бұрын
There are a lot of calls for West Wing reunions, but damn I want another scene with these two characters.
@emotionalideas9 жыл бұрын
The West Wing always had viewers…of all political persuasions agreeing-its the fantasy government we all wish we had, not the one today's politics has given us.
@cntrman17054 жыл бұрын
"Today's politics" (April, 2020) are the same or worse than 5 yrs ago but a result of the same cause - a vocal majority (not necessarily an absolute majority) of each party are against any kind of compromise with the other party because they believe the other party is trying to destroy our country. We've forgotten that: 1. We are all Americans and have a Constitutional right to our opinions and obligation to participate in our democracy. 2. Our government requires compromise to work properly. 3. Neither party is "the enemy" although individuals within each party may be destructive to our democracy. If there is ever a leader that can talk plainly and explain those three points so that a majority of citizens embrace those facts and not allow themselves to get pulled into harshly partisan camps, we might get closer to that "fantasy" government.
@emotionalideas4 жыл бұрын
@@cntrman1705 Well said. Which is why I haven't watched any cable news in get this...20 months...I get my news from hard news sources. Cable News and parties have structured media into what Eric Weinstein brilliantly coined the "Gated Institutional Narrative" or G.I.N. Which is why podcasting now has a SHOCKINGLY larger audience than cable news. And forgive me but I should have sighted the "Fantasy Government" thing. That was a quote from the late Patrick Caddell a conservative who wrote the West Wing right along side Aaron Sorkin and another writer...dig this...Lawrence O'Donnell. Patrick said it during an interview on a West Wing BTS segment.
@michman217 күн бұрын
What a great scene.
@LazyDaisyDay8810 ай бұрын
Sublime.... I miss this show.
@marksolomon42483 жыл бұрын
These are 2 great actors. The last half season was some of the best TV ever
@chuckoboy9522 жыл бұрын
TWO AWSOME ACTORS 😍
@dspf689 жыл бұрын
Well played Alan Alda.
@davidllewis40754 жыл бұрын
we got our first tV about 1950. West Wing is still the best thing TV has produced.
@aema512416 күн бұрын
These actors are so darn good!!! 👏👏👏👏👏🫶🏼🫶🏼🫶🏼👏👏👏
@6seasonsandamovie_4 жыл бұрын
Man I love this show... I'm barely on my 2nd re-watch of the series and only just got to season 2. How can a show grip you and hook you the way this one does after so many years? It's as if I'm watching it for the 1st time...
@randysauvage6772 жыл бұрын
It is awesome. You’re watching it again? It consumed me for years, good luck
@maxcat062 жыл бұрын
I'm currently on my 4th go round. You discover more and more with repeated viewings.
@jennifersman79903 жыл бұрын
Man, I miss this show! They could’ve gone one more season and followed Santos’ first year as President
@bubbah6715 жыл бұрын
These 2 actors should have had a show about anything. I would have watched it. Both in my top ten.
@richard31415926384 ай бұрын
always like Alda in his many roles. But he forgot to ask for the still for his new office