The Artist Is Not Abstract

[@zelskzerker2815]

Everytime Digibro's glasses break or disappear, a new pair spontaneously appears, but bigger. If they keep being destroyed at this rate, they will eventually exceed the limits of the camera and the whole universe will be reflected in them.

[@truevasa2765]

A great response. I hope this moves the positive discourse forward even further.

[@maxmustermann9058]

I think the problem is, even though many youtubers might fancy themselves artists, most ultimately do not really think of their videos as art, open to critique, but instead as just "my opinion", which in the way it is often used in society, makes them think of it as some kind of get out of jail free card.

[@Dexterityshow]

TL;DW Critics can't take criticism

[@LeReVaQ]

Dexterity which is hilarious with how RCAnime responded. He just keeps meming his shitty line.

[@mr.cuddles6432]

Critics? where? not in this community?

[@TRIBEbyHYPERION]

Why do you think they chose to be critics.

[@mrupload4381]

At least he embrace who he is.

[@mrupload4381]

Hey I know you we should get in touch Ethan.

[@SaberToothPortilla]

I think the biggest key here is that Digi's comments are fundamnetally going towards a *good* place. (Even if they're not particularly constructive all the time). When your ultimate goal is that artists think critically about the work they do in an effort to have them be more solid in their own choices or make new ones. That's a good thing fundamnetally.

[@AlternativeIce]

Part of the reason Digibro is one of my favorite anime youtubers is because he doesn't try to soften his message at all regardless of whether his opinion is popular or not.

[@2brosand1up64]

So basically Digi wants the Anime review scene to be like the Rap scene.

[@HxH2011DRA]

Oh god no XD

[@teriization]

The worst response to an argument is "you shouldn't say this" instead of "this is wrong because x". As soon as you try to shut down conversation instead of replying, you've already lost.

[@Ifafa]

You can criticize Digi's tone all you want, but the fact of the matter is that its offensiveness put his criticism in front of more eyes. There are probably anime youtubers who wouldn't have paid his critique any attention at all had it not been inflammatory, but now they've seen it and have to acknowledge it. Making it polite and not confrontational would have been a mistake.

[@dylandruryformerlyyungjabb3913]

brilliant response digibro

[@CuriousSoulsx]

Digi ripping the bandaid off for the greater good haha

[@raw5889]

can't wait for this conversation to grow because I agree with your sentiment

[@pixequil]

i like these shades because the reflections let me see you gesticulate with your hands when theyre out of frame

[@jiggawea8026]

The rap community also has this problem; since there's this hyper fixation in the culture about being "real" when one artist says they don't like another artist it becomes "beef". Because you're so AUTHENTIC your music isn't just music, it's YOU. People can't just say "I'm not really a fan of (blank)" or explain why they don't like that person's work without it being taken as "starting shit" or a "diss", instead of just another fan of music giving their opinion on music.

[@kari4835]

As an artist myself I can only approve of this. Nothing is more motivating than critcism no matter how much it may hurt. I personally think there's ALWAYS space for improvement. And if the critcism of someone hits you very hard then you've basically already admitted to yourself that you're not satisfied with your work.

[@freakyfrappuccino]

I love this conversation... it's wonderful. People can sometimes be too sensitive (myself included), but honestly I would rather face criticism and improve at something I'm passionate about than just continue doing things poorly.

[@lalilulelo7520]

digi wears those big glasses to hide the pain in his eyes

[@zachmontminy]

Hopefully Gigguk and all them actually watch all 3 of these videos because just seeing the first doesn't paint the whole picture as much as these 3 have.

[@8bitdrum_]

I will admit, I was staring deep into those sunglasses.

[@phantombroker6856]

"Gigguk says that Konosuba is what comedy should be like!" Funny, because I specifically remember him saying that Konosuba's take wasn't the only way to write comedy.

[@PSNSMANIACALMIND1st]

He's the not the hero KZbin deserves, but he's the one it needs. He's the Digi Knight. [Zimmer horn]

[@ZweihanderSteve]

The weirdest thing about Digis's new glasses is getting the CLEAREST view of the camera.

[@souls9184]

Digi is the only one being real. I saw Gigguk's video and it just felt so hugboxy and fake. People just don't want to be criticized and they'll do whatever they can to foster a space where it won't happen. I'm glad Digi isn't buying into it.

[@GUN1GRAVE]

for real.

[@operative1258]

ironic that critics can't take criticism

[@HxH2011DRA]

I hate how people associate "harshness" with "realness" and "Kind" with "Fake" in the west

[@souls9184]

You can be kind and not fake. This just isn't one of those situations. There's little benefit to being fake and harsh but there is benefit to faking being nice, which is why it's more common.

[@HxH2011DRA]

Case in point to my last comment

[@Lucols4]

Gigguk's video is in his channel Giggukextra in case anyone is wondering

[@GUN1GRAVE]

good response.

[@Nkanyiso_K]

I said it before, this is a conversation that *needs* to happen because if people aren't watching each others videos, trying to be better, we'll never see how good they could be

[@MaterialistModTeam]

This integrity and lack of fear is refreshing. And Digi is correct. People aren't going to get any better when they are insulated by a others who will just jerk them off whether they're content is good or not. It does pay off to get told when you are sucking at your craft but it ONLY pays off when that criticism is acted upon by the artist. Not all criticism is good or even valid, but fellow artists are some of the best people to ask/ tell you what's actually wrong with what you do.

[@user-wo5dm8ci1g]

Pretty sure Gigguks main point was that he thinks if he did what you suggested his content would be worse. This was right at the start: "I did a deep analytical breakdown, decided it would be boring and made it lighter and more fun because that would be better." Its not "you are wrong for criticizing", its "your criticisms are wrong", an important distinction.

[@Mishakeet]

Digi, date me pls I love you

[@mildlyinterested705]

Misha Bird Digi, please date her so I can live vicariously through your voluptuous body.

[@HxH2011DRA]

Misha Bird Gay

[@GnomeOfCorn]

Message him on reddit like he told the other grill and get in line

[@TRIBEbyHYPERION]

But do you love ludonarrative dissonance?

[@MuffingDaCabage]

+Studio Hyperion Oh my god that was too good

[@tommypuckett3703]

I just stare at your room every blog since you got the mirror glasses.

[@kamakozy13]

In art school, one of the first things you learn is to separate yourself from your work enough to take criticism. This is imperative to becoming good at anything.

[@VZMadness]

Totally understand we all should be trying to get better at what we love to do.

[@ThatFattGamer]

These vlogs are great to watch while studying for finals. =) Thanks digi

[@eccentriceli3541]

I find it funny how people actually thought he was drunk.

[@sagewuv4302]

Well, to continue here on what I commented on the last video, and only sticking just to my concerns with style and eyepatch, as well as in consideration of the questions you put forth here. I take a polished perspective grounded in specific discussion of how craft accomplishes specific goals to communicate specific things, or a lack thereof. Aside from this I take history, and occasionally celebration. And a good deal of artistic integrity as well. I steal a bunch of my favorite things, and watch long explanations higlighting the virtues of shows I will never watch that make me hate, enjoy, or make what I do interact with richer. And with my present understanding, It seemed you wanted more information, delivered as you do. And this was THE way. And concerning much of what you do, I am in massive agreement. Thus was born my nitpicky point over about a a small portion of long rant, and what is likely a smaller portion of a larger talk on style (I ignore the existence of the artists here because my comments had nothing really to do with that--otherwise, I would defend everyone and through my nature I expect criticism, and find it a necessity). My concern was and is with the why, the basis, on which you criticized in that particular argument against eyepatch's method. I'm concerned with harshness without well founded reason in my aesthetic, and your own as expressed in judgement in the previous video. Thus my response is to the singular judgement of eyepatch's work and the introduction technique he uses, and my advocacy thereof. My criticism was based in that your comments towards eyepatch were based on an inability to get to the point due to his couching his discussions in narrative introduction, rather than style that was more purely analytic. My comments were in defense of the technique eyepatch employs as being entirely part of the point in his criticism, and criticism in general; the technique as technique. Once again, if use of narrative gives weight or import to discussion by virtue of some shared aesthetic or understanding of the narrative, I think it is valid to wax on that aesthetic or narrative to illustrate the context of your discussion and that context's importance to your message. Especially when handled with purpose. It is merely one color through which the persuasive goals of criticism and argument may be communicated. It is ONE way to aid yourself in proving you are right. And for my argument, if that use can be added as ONE, the it is part of THE way, not in addition, accessory, or subordinate to it. Instead, its manipulation must be crafted towards specific goals within their specific contexts. And considering the differences across content creators I'm concerned with, I interpreted the difference as being between style. I don't find his writing introductory method of less or greater value than yours, just different. My writings and even my jokes were made to illustrate this effect. My ending metaphor was made to highlight this juxtaposition. My highlighting that you were concerned with make-up recognized both your criticism and artistry as judge of eyepatch, but that you two simply wished to use the make-up differently is where I bring concerns of style. The criticism in that regard seemed an over-reach. And I still find it so. It is not that you are engaged in stylistic criticism, it's that the criticism seems outside of your specific goal, though in a similar field. As if a mystery writer or a hip-hop artist judged other styles in the minutiae of their mastery, and expected other works to conform to their specific mechanics, rather than to what functioned in their specific styles. Much is shared, but once again style; my joke did not feature a hyperbolic reference to foundation for a reason. I'm not really concerned with the whole artist is whatever shit, kinda over auteur theory--just into well worked judgements here (Like, I give a fuck, but I don't, and as an artist and expect critical evisceration, best when made with integrity). I hope that helps highlight one specific nit-picky aspect of the response to your rant, and this follow-up. I take no allowance for gig's, rc, etc. etc. Just this one thing, this one juxtaposition of style on style, this one judgement in a deluge of perspective. Because this one inch seems like unnecessary shots, and not the good kind. I can take no account from the others, but only hope I have been clear enough for you here on this one aspect. Cause given you are one of the few people I invest time in watching on this site, I can only wonder what most people think about style. Totally aside: what the heck is up with mumkee's political implications cause that shit's disturbing; cause attempting to engage was difficult with the whole bad gun argument thing just THERE

[@BriggsADA]

my channel sucks...but im going to train in the hyperbolic time chamber

[@Zeeeeeed567]

People need to stop Tone Policing and actually understand the points people make

[@hydrosamedh]

Man I love your new glasses so much ....

[@Stoteable]

This video is so abstract I'm waiting for an analysis video to explain it all.

[@TH1SMACHINE]

Sober Digi > Drunk Digi At least when it comes to making a point

[@benjaminsnowvlogs]

Thank you for this video my dude. real shit we need more folks like you to speak the brutal honest truth about if people suck and moviate them to improve.

[@HxH2011DRA]

People improve by positive reinforcement and valid careful critique Science don't support the idea that you get better if people tell you you suck

[@benjaminsnowvlogs]

The Hunter x Hunter 2011 Dickriding Association it motivates people and create haters. trust me.

[@maxmustermann9058]

The Hunter x Hunter 2011 Dickriding Association positive reinforcement is adding a stimulus to make previous behaviour more common (praise/likes in this case), but if you do not want previous behaviour reinforced (Gigguk making the same kind of video) positive reinforcement is not a viable option. (Digi did positive reinforcement on the guys he was recommending, by recommending them) If you want somebody to change his behaviour positive punishment: "adding a negative stimulus to a previous action, to make the same action less likely in the future (critiue when Gigguk does his usual video)", is helpful. That is how conditioning works, positive reinforcement is literally the opposite of changing ones behaviour in a different direction, aside from thatI think the critique was pretty valid.

[@robb9777]

This video inspired me, thanks Digi

[@ThePonderer]

I thought you were talking about the movie for a second.

[@ripdot1904]

The main difference between critical work and more (for lack of a better term) professional work is the amount of self present in the product. When someone watches a video by Arkada or Gigguk, they are there to get an idea of what Gigguk and Arkada, as individuals, think about that given thing. When you are a critic, you and your opinions are the product. There is no obfuscation present that might be found in working with large teams of people in film or animation. It is just you.

[@MitoseNorikoFan]

When I watch Digi's video, I am looking for what he thinks about a given thing. I am also looking for him to present it in a way that appeals to me. Gigguk and RcAnime's videos may be nice asmr (not gigguk really since he keeps on shouting about memes all the time) with their soft-spoken voices and nice bgm. But that isn't what I care about. I want an opinion in a good package, not an opinion in a ripped up, broken package with a ribbon on top.

[@ripdot1904]

My statement was not meant to imply that being a critic exempts one from criticism. Indeed, anything you release into the world at large deserves to be criticized. My statement was meant to explain why a critic might take criticism personally, because it is in effect a critique of that person as an individual.

[@Knightfall8]

THAT'S the word I wanted to describe Gigguk's nonsense as: platitude.

[@cyba6286]

I feel like that the difference of the style of video between Digi and Gigguk is the difference between Log Horizon and SAO. (NOT IN QUALITY JUST IN PRESENTATION DONT START A FUCKING FLAME WAR) I liked Gigguk's response and felt that it was reasonable and that Digibro was being too much of an asshole, which would make the video and his criticism less convincing, but I did like the video. Digibro's content tries to throw a lot of interesting ideas at you like Log Horizon, while Gigguk is about his personality, like how SAO is about the action and the spectacle of watching thousands of people play a death game, watch Sent Anime Review's video on death games and kiznaiver, because I recommend it even though it doesn't have anything to with SAO, He's also the only person doing analytical analysis about Kyousougiga, an amazing series, and has a voice as sexy as demo. Log Horizon is admittedly dry(NOT TO ME IT'S ONE OF THE MOST HYPE SHOWS EVER, THE OP IS FUCKING AMAZING)(AND WELL SAO IS REALLY BORING IN EXECUTION BUT THIS IS NOT ABOUT QUALITY BUT WHAT THEY REPRESENT) and has lackluster art and animation looking a decade old but the understanding of MMOs and human psychology brings the show up to an amazing show. SAO on the other hand has decent to good post processing and animation, and in general would be more inviting to general audiences. The premise is more riveting as survive an MMO game is more intense than video game politics with no death, like some pseudo intellectual analysis of anime, is less entertaining than some funny videos. Basically it has more flair, like Gigguk, who I do find funny, but only in his non analytical content, because there is not enough of him in those videos. His funniest videos are the year recap, until I didn't find this year's recap to be funny at all and unsubbed as I realized his content wasn't for me. 2nd Look had a great video on KonoSuba and how it relates to Seinfeld, he actually goes pretty in depth about it. This response was pretty great and clarifies things who aren't Modul Hsoul Production elitists like me who basically knew this already, ie Pedantic's new video on his side channel, where he becomes a heel and stops on some guy who's being an asshole to him.(I'M NOT EXPLAINING THIS TO YOU DIGI BTW IT'S FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMENTS) I feel like you need to make a vid clarifying your stance on context and the 3 min bullshit rant about how the reviewer either thought they'd like the show and turned out they didn't, because I don't feel like people understand, or that I even understand that well, idk. This is also so people won't have to listen to the Reviewer Rules Podcast, to understand your opinion. BTW commenters he likes context, because there's this video by Best Guy Ever, Best Anime Ever Gurren Lagann Part One, which is how Guy became a super cool badass through watching TTGL through a nifty AMV, which Digi adores and thinks it's genius.

[@yamitoriable]

good comparison , i would be more offensive and say that gigguk is like two arcs of shit but well made content, that sells ( he has more subs and more patreons i think ) , while digi does good concept , but mostly not interesting stuff , with some shit quality (unedited vlogs and shit )that sells to a smaller audience .

[@cyba6286]

Yeah I was at a more balanced mindset with this clusterfuck Digi has caused until I watched his KonoSuba video which bored me to tears as it was 4 mins of stupid bullshit in the beginning that built up to one point and one point only, and that's why I put in a recommendation for 2nd Look's pretty good video. I'm not very picky with my KZbin content, I like RCanime, (I HAVEN't WATCH ONE OF HIS VIDEOS IN A WHILE I MIGHT HATE HIM AFTER THIS) but he's trying way to hard to be Every Frame a Painting, which is a fantastic channel, which I'm guessing you already knew about. Now that DIgi has set me off to bullshit at the beginning of reviews, and just loose scripts in general, I will be extremely annoyed anytime that happens.

[@ulyssesasteroid757]

Nobody has a voice as sexy as Demo. Except maybe Clover.

[@Vantaz]

If you think there in no difference in quality between Lh and Sao you're fucking delusional.

[@cyba6286]

If I was that delusional I would be not subscribed to Digibro because I would be in a mental asylum and you should be there with me for misunderstanding my comment. I was comparing them on the kinds of shows they are not the quality of execution and concluding that Digi's style resonates with me more than Gigguk and that's probably the reason that LH is one of my favorites while SAO is one of my least fav things in the world. Also no one try to take this out of context and saying that I think that Gigguk is one of my least favs if he was an anime he would be a strong 5 to a light 6, not my kind of thing, SAO is a 2 in my book.

[@Tysoon12341]

I think you might've missed the point he was trying to make in his video. What I got from it is that he doesn't want to make videos that appeal to you he makes videos how he wants to make them. And he has a decently large audience so his style seems to work well enough. You can't really appeal to everyone and what is consider "Good Writing" is completely subjective beyond the very basics. I don't feel he thinks your criticisms are invalid or that you can't be openly critical of his work.

[@HxH2011DRA]

Underrated comment

[@TheVacuuminator]

You know, I think the best thing to come out of the "KZbin Anime community" drama thing you started is the fact that someone finally gave voice to my thoughts on the whole concept of KZbin drama. As I think you tried to get across in this in several of the other videos, it really shouldn't be treated as drama. KZbinrs should be allowed a certain level of ball busting towards each other when they dislike what the other is doing, just as they are seemingly allowed to tell their viewers to go watch the videos of someone who's content they like. Otherwise, the medium will eventually stagnate because no one will be able to get any better, because no one who actually knows what they're talking about will be able to say when someone's videos are shit. I just don't understand why most people don't seem to get that and instead take it as some sort of weird tribal warfare thing. "Oh hey, that guy we only kinda like said the guy we really like does some things badly, he's automatically an asshole!" I mean, what is that? Something that could only come out of the internet in my opinion. But whatever, at least most people who make content I like seem to actually get it. It's all criticism, we all want to say our piece, even when it comes to each other, and that's fine, it's what I want most days.

[@Александр-р9ч8в]

These glasses are so fuckin cool

[@TheLonelyLuneon]

People should be able to openly and publicly criticize everything and everyone they want without being attacked for stating an opinion. (Side note: don't ignore your country's laws)

[@shygirl2927]

Lune - chan you have a right to your opinions and the right to speak but other people also have that same right and can respond in whatever way they want short of violence or law breaking. Words/actions have repercussions.

[@TheLonelyLuneon]

Thank you for translating my comment into American English. I really appreciate that :)

[@TheLonelyLuneon]

Do not ignore your country's laws.

[@gabrielfreitas3033]

Can we set something straight here? Digi never criticized Gigguk's style of humor. He criticized his KonoSuba video because it was an ANALYTICAL VIDEO. Digi does analysis all the time, so I say he knows something about it. He never said anything about SAO in10 minutes or EVA Abridged. And everything he said about the KnoSuba video could be said about his other analysis. And if he really wanted all videos to be serious and smart, would he reccomend Endless Jess? Or TheBestGuyEver, whos half analysis and half youtube poop? (Also, despite criticizing Digi, Gigguk spends a few minutes just saying why his videos didn't appeal to him, despite saying everyone should be the way they want)

[@taylortierney6542]

I'd be willing to bet that a lot of, maybe even most, of the people who have watched your original video, and Gigguk's response (and maybe even this video as well) didn't watch the Konosuba video that started the chain. People who dislike you and/or your content will instinctively side against you and reason that your video is just jealous snobbery, people who dislike Gigguk and/or his style of content will call him a salty baby who can't take criticism. I think both sides have points. You're right; all elements of a piece, including the creator, can and should be critiqued. There's lots of people disliked or liked almost entirely off of their voices (Morgan Freeman is a good positive example). People do rely to much on flash and pizzaz when making videos. I didn't enjoy Gigguk's Konosuba video as much as I have some of his others. Criticism should be argued against to see if it holds up to scrutiny. On the other hand, Gigguk is also right. Your videos are frequently bland with uninteresting (but competent) editing, you only seem to have three tones (bored vaguely disdainful lecture, anger, and the far more infrequent side splitting laughter), and your rant videos have been more interesting than your main channel (to me) since you finished with the Ass War. As you have said yourself, context is important, and Super Eyepatch Wolf's description of his personal history with the subject of the his videos provides (at least to me) that in an interesting manner, a manner that often manages to convey some long forgotten passion or childish wonder. Your attack on the two does seem like it could have a whiff of sour grapes.

[@equleart]

that was a very good video and I hope it gets as much, if not more attention than your drunken rant, simply because while you make the same points, you present them better.

[@ryolo132]

As an artist, I've always sought out criticism. One thing I've always hated is when people can't tell me there's something wrong with my work, because if you don't see any problems, why the hell should I be working my ass off trying to get better?

[@shygirl2927]

ryolo132 critique is fine but there are some forms of criticism which are not valid like criticizing the style, genre, comedy, or even the artist. You really shouldn't say that something is horrible just because it's not your preferred genre or *insert invalid criticism here* imo. I find the criticism less reliable when I hear someone say 'this movie, book, anime, etc. sucks. I hate sci-if.' It makes me think less of the criticism.

[@ryolo132]

Everyone should be allowed to criticise something. Putting down arbitrary rules on how people are or aren't allowed to prase such things is counterintuitive. Hurting people's feelings isn't 'nice', but if they're creating art that includes themselves, they are a part of that art and open to the same criticism as the rest of that work.

[@anitahalepianist]

Digibro: Professional belittler of other's honest endeavours in art.

[@anitahalepianist]

Also you're insulting a person's voice that they were born with. That's very petty and cruel.

[@ewormXD]

Dammit, I've noticed the overabundance of "y'know", I will never be able to unhear them again.

[@Ruceyod]

I interrupt a Digi bros video to watch Digibro after dark

[@TheRibbonRed]

I'd understand since Digi is a primarily anime commentator. Even though he has concepts of gameplay design and fun factor, I don't think he has approached many popular works in gaming to warrant him the ability to talk about video games as in depth as he talks about anime.

[@pauliussip6956]

This completely takes Gigguk's response out of context. He even said that everyone should strive to be better and all that shit. Actually, Gigguk made very fair points in his response. And I'm not biased as I'm a sub of Digi's and not a sub of Gigguk's. Also, he made a good point of Super Eyepatch Wolf being better than Digi at his own game.

[@thewobbuffetking3273]

He's not responding to the point of Gigguk's video, but to the hypocrisy within it.

[@alexismf1489]

People are so protective of the notion that they should not try to impress anybody nowadays. It's like everyone feels like they should only try to improve according to their own standards alone, and not ever try to seek approbation from anyone else, because they feel like it shows a lack of confidence or something. And when someone say that they should try to make their work match other people's expectation, everyone gets so defensive, like they're the only ones who matter

[@HxH2011DRA]

Tbf if you live your life by others exceptions you'll just end up depressed

[@alexismf1489]

we're not talking about all of life tho. Of course you don't live by what people expect, but we're talking about trying to improve in an artistic endeavor one is passionate about. I think listening to what people who do similar things have to say about how you can improve, and trying to reach the standard of someone you look up to is important. I really feel like it gives a better sense of being in a community than being hung-up on saying anyting critical, or looking for criticism, because it looks more professional, or some weird reason like that

[@shygirl2927]

Scatterbrain he did listen. He accepted his criticisms. He just decided to not take all of it and he had good reason for doing so.

[@alexismf1489]

who did? I was talking about in general, not referring to anyone implicated in this. If it's Gigguk you're talking about, I wouldn't know, I rarely watch his stuff, but I think Gigguk doesn't look up to Digi. I agree that it's not worth it to try and impress someone you don't care for

[@Bayo106]

when it comes to art, you dont adapt or adhere to the expectation of another 'artist' that would be like kanye west criticizing another rappers album and then the other artist actually doing every kanye suggested. it is WEAK and STUPID because art is SELF EXPRESSION

[@captainspacewizard2396]

Digi I don't get how you can be so dense. The difference between you and Gigguk on this issue is that you acted as if your method of content creation was blatantly better than other youtubers. You dismissed personal preamble as unnecessary and that you don't care about someone's personal engagement with the series, etc... but that segment is where creators like Gigguk highlight their subjective approach! You derided Gigguk for making comparisons between Konosuba and Evabridged, but he specifies early on that his interpretation of Konosuba's comedy is based on his own experience in writing comedy. For calling others out for not watching all your videos, you sure didn't seem to pay attention at all to the video you were actively criticising. "Someone needs to tell you you suck", sure, but who said that someone has to be to you.

[@ThumpingThromnambular]

Digi's being the adult here to be honest.

[@Androided]

"In order to become an artist you have to suck, You have to suck for a long time" - Digibro 2017

[@michaelfrails]

A lot of voices in the anime community only gained relevance because there were no other options. Digi came along and lit a much needed fire under everyone's asses.

[@coasteringkid]

Man I just hate it when someone makes a good point in the first minute of a video and talks pointlessly for the rest of it. I heard Digi hates that too.

[@procrastinating384]

I think we have a case here where everyone is right in some way. Digi is right that even small creators deserve critisism, and that you can't properly critisize something without being biased. Someone like Gigguk is right for not taking Digi's critisism because he just wants to do his own thing, even if Digi doesn't think it's "good". Yes youtube needs more people who care about writing and bring some fresh ideas to the table. But KZbin is also a place where you post random stupid videos for shits and giggles. This isn't something people need to argue and start "drama" about. It should be a discussion about different people's values in art, who it influences, how art has lead to what they create etc... I'm not looking forward to an "anime community holy grail war", I hope they start a podcast and talk it out, it could lead to lots of interesting topics and new ideas like with the podcast about moe and otaku terminology.

[@assl4321]

I guess I can see where Digi is coming from. However, I think that I still agree more with Gigguk. It gets boring when everyone approaches a medium the same way. Sometimes I want to see comedy and sometimes I want to see dry cut analytics. That doesn't mean either or is bad even if someone's idea of comedy or production is different from yours. I mean, if an artist doesn't make content that appeases themselves before anyone else--if they don't like the content they themselves put out--then why make art in the first place? Speaking from experience, a project becomes way less fun when I have to constantly think about what would make others happy. I make art for myself first before anyone else. I feel like Gigguk's and other reviewers' work would be worse if they actively tried to appeal to everyone and their tastes. And Gigguk says that he's experimenting and trying to see what works for him in terms of analytical content. Also, I guess I would have to state that the presentation of your points is what annoyed me more than your opinions. I felt like simply stating "I don't appreciate X KZbinr shit talking me" or "The content created by X KZbinr doesn't appeal to me and my tastes" would've been enough. I don't think the 30min drunk rant was necessary and a lot of it could've been handled privately, but do whatever you see fit.

[@HxH2011DRA]

Same fam

[@WalkingGirlKoi]

There's a big difference between constructive criticism and outright attacking someone. If someone stating they dislike the methods people use on KZbin and say how to better themselves, it's constructive criticism. Attacks offer no helpful insight, often being vague and is done to berate or shame others. Yes, anime videos do not have to be analysists if anyone assumes that's what I mean, but insults don't seem to the goal here.

[@Trixiethegoldenwitch]

So I guess all the advice I offered on how to fix every single thing I complained about wasn't constructive?

[@WalkingGirlKoi]

*****​ The comment wasn't towards you, but people who were saying your words weren't criticism. A lot of comments I've read just state you're trying to be superior and put people down when that wasn't the case.

[@Trixiethegoldenwitch]

Ah sorry, I got your phrasing mixed up.

[@jairoacosta8940]

that was deep man

[@deathgardna]

i think this video came off way better than your insane drunken ramble.

[@FrazThe]

Just wanna say, Daniel Floyd had made videos on gaming before he brought in James Portnow to help make the scripts for Extra Credits. James didn't hire Dan to simply voice act.

[@Razkunn]

Ahh, so nice to listen to someone you can identify with, the magic of the internet. I especially liked the final thought. If it bothers you that Digibro does not like your video, then make a video to impress him, according to his standards. IF IT BOTHERS YOU. Everyone has different tastes, standards and we react differently to different things. If someone you don't identify with, and who's every oppinion seems different than yours, tells you that you suck, you should not care. If that person's taste and oppinions are not your own personal target, then why the hell would their oppinion matter. They might not like it, but as long as you stay true to what you want to make, like-minded people will notice, and maybe some new people will be touched and changed by your art, drawing in people from different mindscapes. Not everyone will agree with you for your whole life, and meeting opposing ideas breeds growth. Every time you are challanged, you can grow better. And I think that is the message. If you find Digibro someone you respect, or find him some sort of rolemodel, or judge, or basically someone you respect, and whose oppinion matters to you, then his criticism should fuel you to try and make yourself better. If you don't, why are you even wasting time on this? Oh! Are you looking for ammo to shoot in the imaginary drama war between fanboys who can't take the hint that it's differing oppinions between adults who can talk it over in a civil manner, and thus call it DRAMA?!

[@alexandrabuss7948]

Well, Digi, I do understand what you meant by that and this video, but you have to think about it too, if you live to please everyone it can take a toll on you. I do think it ultimately does come down to whether YOU happy with your content or not. Yes, you can always take constructive criticism, but what you did on the previous video was really that or was you just lashing out on them, saying that your taste is far superior than theirs?

[@phantombroker6856]

The main problem I have with this video is that it isn't really a response to Gigguk so much as it's just Digi trying to have a bunch of "gotcha!" moments on Gigguk. It's basically just ten minutes of going, "No YOU!" without even understanding what Gigguk said. First off, as I've said before, Gigguk never said Konosuba was the only way to approach comedy writing. He said so very clearly near the end of his video. Secondly, Gigguk did not prop himself up as some expert comedy writer, he took the piss out of himself with that, "such masterpieces as, 'nervous erection reaches vagina,'" bit. He admits that he's just explaining basic shit. Digi then goes on to say that, "Gigguk says that this approach will discourage others," before referring to his support of new creators and how everyone needs to suck before they get good. On that end, I would say that the message you want to send is not necessarily the message that you put across, and this appears to be such a case when it comes to new creators, as, independent of your other content, it's easy for someone to misconstrue what you say in your rant. On the topic of sucking before you get good, I distinctly recall Gigguk making a pretty big deal of saying that no one is at the top of their game, and that taking criticism is still important. That being said, I appreciate that Digi has calmed down at this point, and I'd be remiss to say that I think my take on this is the be-all-and-end-all. I just wish we could've started this discussion on more level terms. I think starting this in a less abrasive way would've cut down on the tribalism that we're seeing now. I like both Gigguk and Digi's videos, I just happen to agree much more with Gigguk in this specific situation.

[@SolidBren]

I think Digi's voice is sort of annoying, but I still think he is still one of the best anime guys on KZbin. His voice has grown on me a bit.

[@destructiveblade7446]

The one point I'd like to make is that writing is not the end all be all of KZbin essays. You reference Adam from YMS, whose videos I would agree are well made, doesn't write scripts. He just writes notes and sort of speaks his thoughts into the microphone, and his videos work because of how he edits and presents them. I'm not disagreeing their writing could improve, but there are other ways to go about making good videos.

[@Adrian.Christ]

I'm glad to see Digi sticking to his guns, a lesser entertainer would've pussied out by now.

[@shygirl2927]

Actually digi, he said your comedy style wasn't his thing. He didn't say it was bad. He also said he likes the comedy in konosuba. It is what he holds comedy to be. That's his opinion but he never said it was the end all be all or that he wants people to adhere to his style of comedy.

[@glorton7119]

Classic Mills philosophy: If criticisms ring true, you can improve yourself. If criticisms are wrong, it rejuvenates your convictions and makes sure you know yourself well through the error of the criticisms.

[@thewalkingdude0136]

there are so many videos about his last video that is the first anime KZbin channel uproar

[@rachelmayes3064]

It's drama because it was presented in the form of angry, drunken rambling, not formal critique. This isn't rocket science, Digi.

[@Lilitha11]

That was a very long winded rant, but it makes perfect sense. A lot of people don't think of youtube as being 'art' but yeah it is and some times people criticize it.

[@Ozzymandiyas]

Just to add to your argument about having a bad voice. Sometimes it's the guy trying to do something with his voice that it is not suitable to do. Much like Super Eyepatch Wolf, that you praised, is Irish if i'm correct. So when he tries to speak in a more intense voice it sounds kinda off, like he is really struggling at doing that, when if someone like Gigguk would try to do a more intense voice it would be quite good because he's got a good fucking voice. People should know about the tools that they are working with, the jobs that they are more suited to and the ones that they are not. Understand their limitations and to not go way out of they way in doing something that they just can't do very well.

[@twelie1]

Agreed. Also, there's always ways to refine your voice. Everything is a learning process. If they're having trouble and sound "awkward" but still really want to do that thing, change it up in your videos to something that suits you currently but continue to practice your other technique until you think it's good enough to make that switch back. That's just one way to do it. Heck, you might even end up liking the first change you do while you improve the other skill more than the other skill.

[@igorgiuseppe1862]

"then try to make something that will apeal to me" or maybe you just isnt the target audience, but that is for another video... great video =P

[@philippschmalz7770]

I AGREE. I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING. GOOD POINTS.

[@clammeny]

But gigguk doesn't aim to be incisive or to make videos with formal criticism. Most of his viewers just want to hear his opinion and laugh at his jokes. He doesn't pretend to be an experienced critic, nor should he. Gigguk's primarily a comedian, and for his intended audience he plays well to his strengths. All those skits and jokey remarks in his videos that you treat as just noise are core parts of his identity as a youtuber. In other words, it's dumb to go off on a sci-fi book or a romcom TV series for not being axiomatically airtight with its underlying philosophy -- that's just beside the point. Criticizing gigguk because his analyses aren't the most fleshed out or because his methods don't adhere to your standards is vain at best.

[@PVWNSVCR1F1C3]

did gigguk take his response down or where can I find it.

[@sirsaber3432]

search up "Don't Be Like Digibro." its by GiggukExtra

[@shygirl2927]

Does It Right Son no, it's on another channel.

[@MitoseNorikoFan]

Jesus, I can't understand how everyone here can be so blind to the dream of people reaching for greatness. It makes me wish that we lived in a capitalistic meritocracy where people have to strive, achieve, and improve or fall. All of the complaints that people ever have with Digibro's videos are only ever about his opinions on matters. Never about his videos themselves. Yet people still have the gall to claim that he somehow believes in having an objectively superior taste. Where does the hypocrisy end? Digibro is the only person who I can say that I watch and absorb information from because he articulates why he believes what he does in ways that flow and are logical. I can't even tell you how Gigguk feels about any particular show after a few months of his videos releasing. I don't feel that way about Digi, Mother's Basement and Demo (I mean just his eva series, I forgot the rest of his videos). I know exactly where they stand, why they stand there.

[@HxH2011DRA]

"It makes me wish that we lived in a capitalistic meritocracy where people have to strive, achieve, and improve or fall." LMFAO XD at least you admit it but hey man I got the prefect place for ya it's called sierra leone you'll love it!

[@MitoseNorikoFan]

Hey I got a better one, how about post war, mid-90s America? The era of tax loopholes, improvements of daily life, and sprawling commerce. (Extra Edit) Actually, I was going to just take your word for the Sierra Leone thing since I had no clue what it was but I just searched it up and I see no signs of a country that has failed on account of stagnating industry, or lack of innovation. All I see is country torn by unfortunate occurances in the iron ore market and the tragedy of the ebola virus. I have no clue why this country would be a victim of a capitalistic meritocracy in your eyes but you do you man...

[@HxH2011DRA]

My issue is the words "capitailism" and "meritocracy" don't fit together at all (or rather a system of "merit" where "merit" is judged by how much profit you can gain for yourself isn't appealing to anyone who knows where that leads, hence sierra leone comparsion)

[@MitoseNorikoFan]

Merit isn't judged by profit. Profit is a reward for merit. That's my dream. People who do good things get good things. I live my life by that ideal. But I am being attacked by people who think that I think that anyone who is down should stay down. But that is the opposite of the American dream. I want accessibility for anyone who will work hard for that access. I know there are people that are working hard and are being struck down by big business. But the cause of this is different between some people and I. I think the government is the cause of it. Others think the business itself is the cause of it. Take the 2008 crisis. Was it Wall Street's fault for gambling their money? Or was it the Government's fault for bailing them out? I think it's the government's. The banks fucked up and should have fallen. But the government didn't want that to happen while they were in power so they gave them a safety net. This has resulted in terrifying economic consequences throughout the years. But yea, that's my overall stance on how I feel countries should change their economic policy.

[@Voltanaut]

Your bit about having a good voice to be a voice actor (and a KZbinr) is very valid. I hate Vic Mignogna, and can only stand him in FMA.

[@paytonranes5021]

Is it just me, or do digi's glasses just keep getting bigger and bigger

[@miraclewitchmd6441]

They increase is relative to his ego

[@FransLebin]

he bought a new pair to match his avatar

[@codymavick9068]

KZbinrs are a community but they are also competitors. KZbinrs who do the same types of videos like anime or gaming are competing with other youtubers who make anime or gaming videos. So criticizing or commenting on the other youtubers who do similar things that you do is not just "starting drama" but telling the audience what you do differently then the other. Its directly telling people what you would do differently and better compared to you competitor. Yes its good for youtubers to work together to produce better products but its equally important to stress changes that should be made in order to produce better products for youtube as a whole.

[@MitoseNorikoFan]

Not true in the slightest. Fast food chains are competitors because I have a limited amount of money allocated to lunch and I have to choose ONE store I will go to. KZbinrs are not business competitors because I can watch both. You know why collabs are possible on youtube? Cuz they aren't competing. Imagine if Pringles and Lays had a collab, you'd never see that happen cuz they want the other dead. This is a huge reason for why there is so much stagnation in quality on youtube. No one is out for another's blood so no one needs to improve. Funny thing is, Digi's reason for criticizing them comes not as a creator. Since as a creator, he couldn't care less. But rather, it comes as a viewer. He is a consumer with a producer's platform which is the only reason that he can make that video at all.

[@evilira718]

I dont see what was so helpful about what you said to Nolan...

[@HxH2011DRA]

This

[@gjergjipocari8227]

I missed gigguk's response and can't seem to find it. It's not on his channel

[@romulusnuma116]

On another channal

[@deathgardna]

it's on a channel called "gigguk extra"

[@TheZer0wned]

It's on his second channel, Giggukextra

[@AnimeFlyz]

Gjergji Poçari its on his secondary channel.

[@gjergjipocari8227]

ah ok thanks

[@johnnyjohn5751]

Digibro, did you do it to start a war or did you do it to have more talking material? (not that you ever had a shortage of talking material)

[@DeRedBaronCT]

People tend to associate their opinions and ideas as apart of themselves, which isn't really true.

[@saucepirate8970]

Digi, is there any chance of you talking to any of these people directly in a live stream or chat. I'm sure the discourse would be interesting.

[@ineednochannelyoutube5384]

So mutch for him not wanting to tell us what to do...

[@shygirl2927]

response video? where? i want to see gigguk. is it private?

[@undeadMonk]

Side channel called GiggukExtra. Shouldn't be hard to find.

[@JuliesFailLog]

Well, you wanted to start a hell fire.

[@SoloDiggity]

every form of "art" should be approached differently than another when it comes to criticism

[@Tomislavr7]

bloodoath222 Why?

[@SoloDiggity]

because not all art is created equally and the differences between mediums must be understood and respected

[@Tomislavr7]

bloodoath222 Criticism is an art, it must be understood and respected. If you're mature enough, you should be able to take note of things that are said and can help you improve and not mind a few bad words or lack of explanation (for which you can always ask additionally​). And sometimes the point won't reach someone if you don't present it as a problem, even like Digibro did.

[@Tomislavr7]

bloodoath222 Also, can you please let me know which art you consider higher than which with more than five listed, and why?

[@SoloDiggity]

first off, considering criticism an "art" is a stretch, criticism is really just someones opinion on something, to call that art is kind of silly. and theres nothing wrong with criticism at all, just that one should consider what they're criticizing, i just like to be as respectful as possible but maybe thats just me. also i dont understand that last question lol

[@Ziraya0]

I've seen "gigguk's response video" mentioned here, in another video, in some stuff, and at least one thing; but I can't find it, is it hidden? feels weird to hear Digi's response to a response to a response to an 'industry', when I've really only heard digi's side of the conversation to begin with.