The Artsy Episode | The Best in Jest Ep 11

[@b00b66]

"did the bible happen after dinosaurs" is KILLING me

[@RevyMorelia]

The whole section was killing me, I could NOT contain myself hahaha

[@Barbabun5]

lando thinking the dinosaurs were 1000 years ago is the new "connor thinks the moon is 1000 miles from earth"

[@nhxtrix]

After Lando's streak of evil, it's refreshing to see him so flabbergasted at the earth's age.

[@0danshi0]

I've been stunlocked by you guys thinking dinosaurs existed 8k yrs BC I've never heard anyone say such a thing

[@rideronthedrumbeat]

People are talking a lot about the year 1000, but I think the funniest moment in this episode is 1:14:00 where Lando claims that dinosaurs evolved from mammals, and that claim goes completely unchallenged by the other two people in the room

[@NativeWeasel]

Them being astounded by the size of astral bodies and the time since the dinosaurs was the funniest part of the episode, they should've both been pied for that

[@dasneris]

As someone with aphantasia (lack of a mind's eye), Lando 100% has aphantasia LMAO

[@whycantihaveanumber00000]

Which blows my mind, because I don't have aphantasia and I can't draw what I perceive

[@pareidolie1616]

I unironically see Connor as a wolf. (Looks terrifying but doesn't really attack people. Just vibing with his pack.) And a lion for Lando. (Looks like a plushie but actually kills 200 humans per year.)

[@RevyMorelia]

I liked the idea of a ferret of Connor. I see Lando as something like a coati maybe 🤔🤔

[@nvXIII]

To me, Lando is giving Raccoon more than Honey Badger, they're less aggressive but just as resourceful, clever and versatile. I very much agree with the Raven for Connor, though. Also, the "WHAT" upon learning how long ago dinosaurs existed almost made me cry. So funny. Surprise!

[@rideronthedrumbeat]

Connor's description of visualizing something in your mind as "going higher" than your vision is exactly how I think of it too. The fact that Lando seems to only be able to describe it with words sounds like aphantasia to me. But I'd say not to worry about it too much. There are lots of artists with aphantasia and they do just fine.

[@Sybato]

That's really intersting, I can't relate though, because I don't feel like I need to go Super Saiyan to visualize.

[@DrachenIvy]

i learned so much about breakdancing today

[@RainyDvl]

53:00 the Aphantasia talk, bro I'm sorry you got it like I do. There are people out there who can re-create films like they're watching them on a screen, what you're describing is EXACTLY what I used to say about myself. I took a test and I'm completely fucked on it. I'd recommend taking a test to be sure, but like... Bro I'm sorry

[@pipo_pipo_]

It's one Sun, Michael. How big could it be, two hundred Earths?

[@aeris786]

Connor's a creative director, and Lando is an art director. This makes so much sense.

[@WulframXenia]

I love the juxtaposition of a really relatable discussion about creative passion and reminiscing about past hobbies vs newer ones and then being flabbergasted at how large and old the earth and universe is 😂 If you guys were animals, Connor would be a black sheep (because goth but mild mannered) and Lando would be a black-footed cat because its the deadliest wild cat but also adorable/non-threatening looking. This was my favorite episode so far, hope you guys get into more introspective stuff in the future!

[@chiimonmon]

The introspectives about art and passion were honestly so interesting and relatable to me, definitely one of my favourite segments in the podcast so far, breaking is something I've never really looked into so that was really fun to listen to as well, no one tell them about the other calenders though...

[@sugimototeru]

I love how Lando was so flabbergasted at how time works and how long the earth has existed that he reinvented the Fermi paradox

[@merrygoround7557]

Landos patronus is the lizard men Connor use to draw

[@blitzwulf6655]

I don't know how you get to their ages without ever being in the same room as a documentary.

[@katkat1995]

"When I hit 0, Oh, the Big Bang" I CACKLED FOR 5 MINUTES STRAIGHT FUCKING CONNOR HAHAHAHAH

[@Blex_040]

1:12:17 I laughed so hard at the moment he realized how incredibly off he was with his estimate that I literally have tears in my eyes... finally the emoji is accurate 😂

[@bonogiamboni4830]

That old joke about "to americans 100 years is a long time, to europeans 100 km is a long distance" always proves itself relevant.

[@Coarseflame]

As someone who studied art seriously for a number of years, I can relate to Lando’s talk about losing the passion. It sucks when your skill level plateaus, and you’re not satisfied with your work anymore, but you don’t have the time to dedicate to it and improve, so you just end up stopping altogether.

[@Cassie_Eng]

It was really interesting to learn the details about break dancing and it's history being deeply connected to dance since I was little. My Grandma was a line dancer and passed on her dance choreography binder/passion to me. Gene Kelly was my dance/music hero. So I really related to the conversation and loved learning something new about the art. With the news about the new merch being released directly on my birthday it has me more excited and makes it MORE of a birthday present. 💗I love it. Just as much as hearing Connor's acoustic guitar. He has a natural talent for it and an ear for what sounds good. I say that from my own lifelong passion for music. (Choir, vocal jazz and clarinet) When you both talk about it in length and showcase your shared passion for it I get a burst of happiness. Same with art. My grandfather got me into it and influenced me into going to art college. Like Lando I express my thoughts onto paper, speed just comes with creating as I think it. I just get hyper focused on the process. Validation is the dopamine built in from it being a childhood thing connected from the bond I had with grandpa. I correlate the joy from love, feedback is love and a motivation without it I feel the same as Connor (skill doubt/growth). Turok? I played it often with my bro and we both loved it too. It was interesting to get into the HP persona/animal spirit talk too because it is true you both are the opposite on the inside. Given Connor's soft side I'd pick possibly an owlet or raven or a fluffy wolf. As for Lando, perhaps a hawk or snapping turtle? Or maybe viper? Which correlates to the medieval talk. The choices match. I could see Lando as the fighter and Connor the peaceful sort when it came to surviving the era. Me? I'm too soft, loyal and peaceful too so that is where my inclination lays too just like my animal (fluffy sheep or a fox). I'd be a baker. That being said the vastness of space really does make us feel smaller in retrospect. I really look forward to these deep dives each week and getting to know you both more~! Thanks guys.

[@ThatLenny0]

The whole age of the earth and dinasours was the most "Child left behind" moment of the podcast lmaoooo

[@zanard33]

I love how Lando's brain broke when realizing the Earth is more than just 100k years old.

[@purplelion1000]

If knowing the age of the earth and size of the Sun makes you feel insignificant, try googling the age of the universe 😊 Also, Connor's patronus being a raven fits him so well! For Lando, I think a bear (not Panda, those big brown ones)? When he cares about someone he's like a teddy bear or Yogi bear but when he has strong negative feelings he could turn into the vicious ones in the forest (to protect and/or attack). Also, his cute warm bread sweater fits the bear image. Also unrelated, I like Connor's shirt. Thank you for the nice discussion about breakdancing, I never knew there was such an interesting perspective and interpretation to it! It's nice to know you guys are still trying new things, even if you may not feel the same excitement you felt as a child (and ofc you miss the feeling of diving into something and the thrill of the chase), it may not mean that your passion is any less, it could be more of a new way of looking at things and a mature way of approaching new interests. So good luck on your music journey you guys! Thank you for the nice hobbies and art talk! Both of you are Gryffindor in my book, I think you guys are brave and have the courage to move forward and do new things (the unknown is quite scary)

[@SethSalkin-Weiss]

47:43 I relate to Connor's art plight. I loved animation, but I couldn't draw more complicated things from imagination and it was hard to keep things looking good even with reference. I learned and fell in love with 3D animation because it allowed me to have that animation creative outlet while not requiring the demanding skillset of drawing and keeping things on model. 3D modeling and animation is hard to get into, but is a great creative alternative to drawing

[@Inquisitor81]

"Two guitarists that don't know how to play guitar." You laugh Lando, but that's literally Bill and Ted.

[@khunni8973]

Listening to them talking about the size of the sun and i think to myself "just wait until they hear about other stars and blackhole".

[@Hobgoblintroubadour]

Everytime you guys start talking about history it makes me want to pull my hair out. Love the podcast! (Also Lando is a dolphin, they get a good rep but they’re actually evil)

[@Motuochez]

Immediately when Lando mentioned his fursona, I was thinking about an otter or a mink.

[@stuff6175]

For me, when I visualize something, I don't see a picture of it in my head, but I remember what it looks like. If that makes sense. When I visualize it's like a thought. I don't see the image of it, but I can understand what it looks like from memory.

[@rango_ch]

I love people experiencing existentialism dread

[@Sybato]

Them struggling to reconcile dinosaurs with the creation of modern calendars was so hilarious. Although by that same note, I was surprised about the diameter of the Earth. Think of car having 100,000+ miles on them, that means those cars have traveled around the Earth about 14 times in their lifetime. Now think of how many cars you might own in your lifetime, let's assume you hold onto a car for a long time, but not too long, about 10-12 years. You might travel the same distance as the diameter of Earth over 70 times in your life! That's crazy!

[@TeaTimeLethe]

Another ep, another display of the American educational system LOL 😆 Loved this ep either way ~ 😊

[@kamehall]

so glad my question made such a commotion this ep

[@shiopiii]

today i learnt that lando has aphantasia (maybe) 😮 i feel like lando could be fox or racoon thanks for the existential crisis episode 🤠

[@Sybato]

I think I can relate with Connor more than Lando about losing the drive for drawing. Although I was never quite as far along in my journey as Lando, I always enjoyed drawing in high school, but sometime around college I sorta just fell out of drawing and don't really do it anymore. I think it stemmed from a mixture of feelings of dissatisfaction with my art and not wanting to take that step to improve further. There's definitely more joy to be found in a hobby when you want to do it and you're discovering something new.

[@Sybato]

I'm also at a lost for Lando's patronus, but I'd say Connor's patronus is a Yorkshire Terrier.

[@maryisacrybaby]

I truly understand Landon’s relationship with art. I sometimes find myself not enjoying it as much or sometimes I am not fully proud of my skills. How ever it was still and enjoyable episode, cant wait for next Sunday

[@mustafa_moja]

Lando would be an octopus, very versatile animal

[@athies4844]

That dinossaur thing made me get up from my chair and walk around to process your reactions LMFAO That was a bit right. You guys were just messing with us right?! Cuz there ain't no way dawg 💀

[@Celiane_89]

Lando just has this look at the end like "just you wait". lmao

[@shyviolet2161]

Never thought lion math would be a discussed topic but here we are

[@KazDX]

Lando would be an alpaca 🦙

[@Poringsmasher]

Being able to picture things in your head is very much a thing and it ranges greatly. From those that can't see anything at all to those that can picture a perfect rendering of it in their heads. Most people are somewhere in the middle but I know a few artists that can't see anything in their head at all which is pretty crazy.

[@TobiArts]

I'm aphantasic, glad to not be alone there. I can only conceptualize and verbally list aspects of things. It's visually only a void in there and it confuses all my friends lmao!

[@portaportus_]

Somehow, this week's episode went from serious to light-hearted in the span of seconds and I thoroughly enjoyed that balancing act! Unexpected but educational history lesson and fact sharing on breaking, certainly learned something new while listening to Lando share the knowledge and expertise he has in the field and how exactly it is he got into it! Never even was aware there are different categories such as power, style or musicality that counted towards judging or that people engaging in breaking are called b-boys/b-girls. My guess towards the origin of the name was actually closer to what Connor said, still it makes sense it was named the way it was! Very much liked the comparison to it being akin to fantasy, I see what our professor was getting at here. It has this closeness to skill, an ability set with a group of people working together. The swapping out of group members to adjust to your opponent's specialty as well as power does somewhat remind me of a Pokémon battle. It's fascinating how crew members all have their own individual names and how they choose it. Wishing Lando all the best getting back into it, hope it goes smoothly! Sorry to hear about the hat story though, that sounded like it was Metal Gear Hat: Phantom Pain... When you talked about your guitar adventures, I found myself agreeing with Lando's statement later on where he said playing and learning in general is harder the older you get. In your earlier years, you don't have that many problem retaining/storing information while you struggle once you hit a certain age. Might not be the universal experience for everyone but it's there. He was on point as well saying if you have a specific inclination towards a skill/subject, it's easier to acquire the knowledge. Nevertheless, learning is possible with enough motivation and interest to broaden your horizons and that's something I love! Everyone starts small and every day gives you a new opportunity to learn, after all. What resonated with me most was the following part where Prof talked about art, that hit extremely close to home. As someone who's been drawing as a hobby for a long time now, finding this passion in drawing can become so difficult at times... At one point, art turns mechanical due to that. Which is why I agree wholeheartedly with needing some stones in your path to overcome to feel this sense of success afterwards. That you mastered it now, that the path is clear and you've made clear progress towards improving. The magic you felt as a kid when you doodled, throwing one drawing out after the other like you're on a grind spoke to me too. Though, the creative slump hasn't stopped me from putting to paper what makes me happy and I'm happy Lando found exactly that by writing and creating music! Those little moments where we look at something we've created and are proud of it is what makes it worth it, the wonders of discovering new methods to get better notwithstanding. Which segways into the part where you mentioned conceptualizing things in your mind with that struggle of aphantasia tied to it. The mind is a fickle place, it's interesting to me how people can conjure up images in their head to varying degrees of clearness or not at all in some cases. Questions corner was fun as usual with your guesses as to what house you'd fit into and what your patronus would be. For Lando, my guess would be wolf with its high intelligence, complexity and the ability to function well in a group setting by taking care of their loved ones. Connor on the other hand gives me the image of a crow/raven like Lando pointed out or of a dog considering they can engage in the silliest antics while being the gentlest goobers. Medieval job choices were on point for both of you. Last part is what sent my sides into orbit, the sentence "Did the bible happen after dinosaurs?" was enough to end me. 😂 While I commend the theory of 15 to 20 billion lions outsmarting the sun, I fear they'd be toast before being able to engage thanks to the sun's immense heat and radiation. It's mind blowing to think about how old our universe is, not to mention how many versions of a planet can fit into another. Thanks for another great episode, as always eagerly awaiting the next one! Hope both of you have/had a blast attending Anime Impulse!

[@Tiavals]

It was fun to hear them experience existential dread at the end of the episode by comprehending the time and size of the Earth and the sun. :D

[@_meowmoiselle]

you'd need 1.015 quintillion lions to cover the sun (if they were fire-proof lions)

[@bander-Coolb]

Don’t tell them the sun is actually far away from us really far you can fit like 11700 earths between us and the sun

[@sanabanana83]

I laughed so hard when Lando found out dinosaurs existed 65-250 million years ago. Yes it's an unfathomable amount of time, but at the same time, these two jesters have no concept of the scale of things. Size, distance, and time.

[@davidmendez8306]

I wouldve given Lando the win purely for this moment 56:50

[@Shorty12oo1]

1. I think Lando would be an otter! 🦦 2. yall gotta visit some museums akdjakdj I was truly baffled u guys didn't know the dinosaurs existed millions of yrs ago 😭

[@Anony-Mous]

LMAO I cannot believe that conversation about time and dinosaurs and the age of the earth just happened. I understand that not everyone knows the same things and you know many things I don't. But, guys, GUYS, G U Y S!

[@AirborneGames]

It was interesting to hear about Lando's art journey. Hilarious to learn he has no mind's eye right after.

[@hiimeiree]

i love how when posed with a fantastical kind of question of a medieval job lando gets so realistic with it but once they start talking about the like how many lions vs the sun which could be very grounded theoretically it just becomes almost nonsensical.. i don’t think any amount of lions will survive once it is even in the inches away from the earth’s atmosphere

[@DrakeTheCaster]

I would say Lando's patronus is a Squirrel. They are energetic creatures, playful, but also very wary and quick to avoid/flee from danger.

[@nonaneru]

Love this ep. Prolly my favorite one!! Art talks are always my favorite thing with a touch of being brain broken about Paleontology and space LMAO

[@chocoleaffff]

Wonderful introspective topics 😌 B dancing talk was neat, whenever I see it I can’t help feeling hype. So true that creative hobbies are most motivating when first learning it 🙂‍↕️The mental visualization and time/space talk was so funny but also kinda grounding 😆

[@yokobluu]

I completely understand what Lando means here 47:37 when it comes to art. It used to be what I loved the most, it was obvious I'd tread the creative path since childhood. I had lots of hobbies I loved but drawing was a constant. At some point though, when shit started to get serious (maybe social media etc also played a part) my motivation and inspiration dwindled fast. The difference I guess is that I'm younger than him and still have a long way to go, I do want to improve but I haven't felt that passion in years.

[@AndrewS-vu4ji]

I can see why cosmic horror protagonists go mad when they learn the truth of the universe, these guys get mind broken whenever they hear how big or old things are lol

[@momichiword1112]

Connor makes me think about that graphic design is my job but I hate it 😂

[@panichouse-hx8bg]

Yeeeah, dinosaurs were here for much longer. Humans are just a blip in existence. We're talking hundreds of millions compared to tens of thousands.

[@JollibeenosHasYourCoordinates]

I see Lando as like an Octopus. Intelligent, Playful, and with a hint of Scariness.

[@bander-Coolb]

Tentacles too yup

[@noctairedorvoxin0]

About the use of the word average. The reason that is accurate is that the Earth is an oblate spheroid. It's not a perfect sphere since the equator bulges more than than pole to pole. Because of this, it makes more sense to use an average. Also, guessing that only 100-150 Earth's fit into the Sun is wild, and I'm here for it, lol. Loving the podcast!

[@Inquisitor81]

For what animal they are... Lando's a Honey Badger. Cute in the outside, lit by hellfire inside. Connor's a Crow. Intelligent, a little bird brained sometimes, scared off easily, but have eidetic memory for those who have wronged him.

[@dianna_h_]

It was really interesting knowing more about the breakdance scene so thank you Lando for sharing with us as well as how you were starting to get bald because of your hat but you found out on time! I liked the art talk, something similar to Connor happened to me, I used to draw a lot as a kid and was good at it but I feel I got worse as I got older but then again just as any other skill, you develop it with practice, there's not a set way of how to do it, just keep going at it, be it drawing, guitar, singing or any other, keep practicing and you'll get there. Thank you so much for the episode guys!

[@103yumii]

super interesting episode this week! didn't expect something more serious going in, but the talk about hobbies and art really got me thinking about things that i find personal enjoyment in. i think the whole ''there needs to be a challenge'' part is very true, there's nothing quite like realizing that you've improved and gotten over an obstacle, and it's honestly way more rewarding than just plainly 'being good', imo. but i also understand connor's need for validation, i think i wouldn't do quite a few things if it wasn't for the fact that there's other people who like my work... it'd kinda be like, ''what's the point?'' even tho i *really* wish i could just do things for myself. definitely one of my fave discussions from the pod so far! as for the patronus: agree that connor's would be a raven, as for lando... maybe a mink? also, i now feel the desperate need to fall into the breakdancing rabbit hole and research more of its history... thanks, lando. the conversation at 1:09:20 makes my head hurt

[@namie2024]

I want Connor and Lando to watch those vids that compare size from a person and it starts getting bigger and bigger. They'd be mindblown

[@tetsmega]

The existential crisis episode

[@yorozuya0402]

I think “didnt dinosaurs exist in the year 1000?” might be one of the funniest things lando has ever said

[@bander-Coolb]

Watch the universe is bigger than you actually think

[@muse9420]

Watching you guys struggle with the apple visualization thing is so interesting. When that is posed to me I usually would say I'm on the side of I don't have a picture in mind there's just not enough investment for the average thing so it doesn't work until it does. If I'm incredibly inspired or emotionally moved by something I can get a flicker of just crystal clear clarity but it's very short lived and I'm back to being unable to rotate the idiot in my mind. It's just a snap moment where my imagination like in my mind wakes up and I don't see it with my eyes just in the middle of my skull there's this flicker or an image and it's gone.

[@AquaticLettuce]

Got myself a nice bowl of miso soup to enjoy this episode to

[@_itsfatal]

I feel like I'm just witnessing the american education system at work.............

[@Hobgoblintroubadour]

fr fr. Listening to them is a bit like someone hammering my toes really hard

[@yellowcard8100]

Public american education here, there's a lot of bad, but this one ain't it. I knew all of this, this is like elementary level stuff 😭

[@lylatfox4]

So fun fact about male pattern baldness, it is not a genetic trait passed down from the father, but rather the mother

[@Sybato]

I'm actually curious, since it passes down from the mother, how does it pass down to the mother? is it from her mother or father?

[@sals552]

they held hands 🥹

[@azollafosse]

1:06:09 How is this man's first thought to "medieval job" leprosy LMAO?! He may be on to something, tho...

[@sushishortsAGAIN]

ah yes, earth is in its hag era.... also somehow i only knew that the earth is like 4 billions years old bc of that big bang theory theme song.......... also: ah yes, a creative's urge to monetize their hobby is too real and is a canon event

[@Tiavals]

The role and fate of a jester depended on the king and the culture of the country. In some places a jester's point was to say what no one else could. Like, if peasants hated the king, the jester could make it in JEST, and use that as a socially acceptable shield that even the king would understand and agree with. But you should still laugh at the jester and say it's a joke, never agree. The king, privately, would then consider the implications of what was said. But in some places the king might execute a jester for saying that. Really depended on the time and place. Some places preferred "smart" jesters who used wit to make fun of and criticize things, others used "dumb" jesters who were likely mentally deficient and so on and who's actions were strange due to their limited understanding of social mores and such. But typically jesters never gave any advice, especially strategy, but they were the unfiltered, uncensored "voice" of the times, whether of the public or the nobles. The guy who could, and should, say what otherwise had to be silent. Also, a royal court jester is very different from a festival jester, and different limitations apply. Of course, there were exceptions, some of which are really weird(and after medieval times). At some point in the 1600s(unless I misremember greatly), court jesters were largely gone from Europe, but sometimes replaced by court dwarfs and blacks, but they had a somewhat different role. (for anyone interested, read on Wikipedia about Gustav Badin for the latter)

[@PazzieEN]

Lando's Patronus is an Elk. Connor's Patronus is a Vulture. 👍 It's so fun to see people learning about the cosmic bodies or history, and seeing their genuine reaction.

[@ashesfallenart]

I really really appreciate Lando's take on art, because I'm someone who's not able to visualize the apple and have been wondering if it's an impediment to learning how to draw.

[@KeithKuruzu]

Guys, if your world views already got shattered by all the space size talk during this episode of the podcast, then probably don't look up those KZbin videos comparing the size of our solar system's sun vs. other MUCH larger suns in the universe. Else, we slide THAT much closer to the start of the Primal Podcast. :D

[@tavioka_pudding]

I'M DYINGWWWWWW You need like over a trillion lions to cover the sun HELP (The US public education system really fucks us all) Also I can see Connor as a raven, crow, or magpie. And Lando is more of doberman or maybe a labrador retriever.

[@Junotojuno]

Lando could be a weasel-- Cute but freaky

[@231famas]

another episode, thanks boys

[@bander-Coolb]

As an animal I think Lando is a Macaw

[@tiffymluv]

i feel like the animal Lando embodies would be panther!:3 and for Connor i think like a raccoon :D!

[@_Rhatsody]

17:20 B-boying is not culturally Korean. It's black american and black american specifically. It started and came from our culture.

[@yasmine3414]

someone please send Lando bill wurtz’ History of the Entire World 😂

[@aw_puffin]

1:03:00 i think Lando would be a meerkat (just from this podcast)

[@mentecato666]

Did you know sharks are older than trees, guys? 🙂 Now take that one to the bank.

[@blueberry_star22]

Love you guys!!🖤🤎

[@fuwafuwapanda777]

Nice sweater Lando 🙂‍↕️

[@hoolie1047]

watching this after coming back from anime impulse 🥺 was so fun to watch your panel and meet you on saturday! hope you enjoy the target gift cards!!

[@tyblesaurus]

it all goes back to aliens

[@WaffleStein]

for the patronus question i think landon might be a tarantula and connor might be a turtle

[@DS-xg7hk]

I'm crying bro i was listening to this reflecting on the nature of art and people and then they start talking about how many lions would it take to cover the sun 🤣 1:21:34 lmaoooooo This episode was truly who is The Best in Existential

[@SeishunWasHere]

1:19:20 - Today I learned about the second hardest metal known to man - Lionforce. (Dragonforce is still the hardest.) Edit now that I reached the end: Good existential crisis, everyone!