**UPDATE all you need to do now is to just Send all your music to the music SC bus (Mute that bus because itll echo) and then just simply slap a vocal rider on the targeted vocal track and then use the key insert to side chain the Music SC* easy clap, no need for two vocal riders. ***
@jayceonadler88855 жыл бұрын
How do I do this in FL?
@willlove79275 жыл бұрын
NOT WORKING FOR ME
@antgod27244 жыл бұрын
Could you do a update tutorial?
@tomix1970pl14 жыл бұрын
I dont have this key on plugin..?
@urealiknow60604 жыл бұрын
and just slapping it on does it..? or you have to write and record it to be fully functional as supposed..?
@RayoBeatz8 жыл бұрын
actual video tutorial starts at 6:48 thank me later
@dannyboycinco7 жыл бұрын
alvinraydj3 thanks fam
@bv94346 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@damienparham39796 жыл бұрын
LMAO
@chocolorenzo51586 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@raulduro8096 жыл бұрын
I know there would be one of you here, you're a good man.
@kevbomb3 жыл бұрын
For anyone using Ableton, the sidechain option is not on the Vocal rider window, it's on the ableton box at the bottom left of screen where plugins sit. Took me awhile to notice that
@carriesolomonmusic3 ай бұрын
Omg thank you! I wouldn’t have known that
@KevinKouto3 жыл бұрын
Vocal rider = Time saver...PERIOD...great video....i just used your technique on my latest track
@HugoBraham8 жыл бұрын
This video just made Vocal Rider even better! It rides so freakin' well this way!
@MasonDayot7 жыл бұрын
IT was the original purpose!
@291god8 жыл бұрын
i have been using vocal rider for years. this guy just added a lot of extra steps that arent needed. if you mix, you already have bus tracks setup for your drums, gtr, hh, and all that. then you would have a summed buss of all the music. once you have that summed buss, just create a send on that summed buss for the s/c on the vocal rider. place the vocal rider directly on your vocal track last in the chain. each vocal track will be different so each vocal rider setting should be different.
@Pearlpassionstudio8 жыл бұрын
OK....here's a question. The summed buss is stereo, sending it to VR on that track is to be mono. I don't get it. Does it make a difference instead of sending mono tracks directly to the Lead Vocal vocal rider?
@291god8 жыл бұрын
it does not make a difference.
@Pearlpassionstudio8 жыл бұрын
Sure makes sense now that I thought about your process. I sure do have bus stems on all instruments. Just sending them to the VR side chain...Bammmm, done. Thanks for the help.
@stormshadow2k8 жыл бұрын
Makes total sense, yeah. Thanks.
@AceAttack7 жыл бұрын
you're a hero :D
@linfordrichards83952 ай бұрын
Excellent tutorial video 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Thank you, will definitely try this. 🎶🎶🎶👍🏼👌🏼
@Pearlpassionstudio8 жыл бұрын
Outstanding tutorial....explained very well. Thank you..
@roelgarcia Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the thorough explanation on using plugin
@charleshuguley99033 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I have not been having great success with this plug-in; now I know why.
@thanoseolios82815 жыл бұрын
What a beautiful song and voice! And you sir did a wonderful job so far with it's sound! Thank you for this totally useful tutorial! God bless you man!
@kalliou6up Жыл бұрын
4:50 you mixed tf out of that 🔥😭
@marcomusictv38546 жыл бұрын
Wouuuuu! thank you so very much, I already have Vocal Rider, but have never consider to use it this way, thanks for sharing this advance way to use it more eficently!
@MasonDayot6 жыл бұрын
Yeah you can also just slap it on as the final plug in on your chain and still run the side chain just without that second channel in paralel
@marcomusictv38546 жыл бұрын
Mason Dayot great Video Mason! You have a new subscriber!
@sanrojasv4 ай бұрын
Great video! Thanks!
@SupernovaSun776 жыл бұрын
This thing is a monster! I use 2 in series like compression. Try that out. Talk about total control.
@chadb45335 жыл бұрын
make a vid!!!
@codyboi0228 жыл бұрын
I never understood why I couldn't get the 'Music' feature of this plugin to work. Thanks a bunch! This is golden.
@MasonDayot7 жыл бұрын
No Problem!
@theshoprecordingstudio73087 жыл бұрын
HAHAHAHA! I was gonna make the same statement but feared the horrible backlash
@manesaamusic99275 жыл бұрын
SAME HERE@@theshoprecordingstudio7308
@aaronjonesgospel2 жыл бұрын
excellent tutorial. I just got this plug in yesterday and see a lot of potential!
@antoniocarlosbarbosa97472 жыл бұрын
Awesome program
@nikolasgudmundsson99958 жыл бұрын
Finally, someone explains this well!
@MasonDayot8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! Hope it works
@curtismech4 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thanks! Just bought Vocal Rider and this really helped my understand some aspects of the plugin.
@metalion6678 жыл бұрын
I use the write automation function aswell, then if there is any problems you can still just do some small changes on your main vocal volume automation afterwards. Shouldn't be confused with compression though, 2 different things, compression changes the shape of the waveform due to attack/release/knee settings whereas rider just changes the volume. I tend to compress first then use the rider, then automate volume for sweeping dynamics ie big choruses. Works bloody brilliantly.
@Pearlpassionstudio8 жыл бұрын
I agree, new at this VR. Question...once you automate the vocal track, do you bypass the Vocal rider and the sends to it? Commit the track to save CPU? Thanks
@metalion6678 жыл бұрын
once its written the automation i usually just switch it over to read, you could remove the sends to it if you wanted as its not listening to them anymore its just following its own written automation. If youve set it up right the vocal should have a fairly even level throughout the song, sometimes too even so I then go in and either adjust its own automation curves or write a new one using the main track volume, ie re adding dynamics like quiet verses, louder choruses. I dont usually commit to track until im totally happy, from memory the rider is quite a low cpu consumer. The other day I tried it out on a overheads track that kept disappearing in loud parts of the song and it worked great, im sure Ill try it on other sources in the future, its a great tool.
@Pearlpassionstudio8 жыл бұрын
Explained well, thanks for taking the time getting back with this response. I did do the commit after liking my end result. Now it all makes sense. Cheers
@SnowAngelfish3 ай бұрын
I think its best to create a dedicated bus just for sc to VR. The bus can then have just the tracks required to trigger VR. For example you may not want kick and snare spikes constantly triggering the VR. Also Im not sure how good the VR is at catching real fast transients on voice,, i have not deeply tested it yet,, but to be safe you can set the compressor before VR to control these.
@BenD33338 жыл бұрын
Might be worth mentioning that you're effectively parallel processing the lead vocals here, by sending post-fader to the "Lead VR" buss as well as to "MIXBUSS" from the initial channel. That is, unless I've missed something here haha! Looks like I'll need to take a look at this plugin soon; could be a real time saver! :)
@MasonDayot8 жыл бұрын
+Ben Davies Music definitely take a look man!
@Critical1873 жыл бұрын
This is great, what cool way to not have to just automate and mix for hours
@yodelusional Жыл бұрын
Love this. Gonna try it tonight
@ToastedAndButter6 жыл бұрын
The way he hits his consonant's jeeeez.
@MorisoniProductions2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for a great video, with clear explanations. Much appreciated. And a great track, too!
@philfyphil7 жыл бұрын
I tend to leave some drums, percussive and other spikey transients out of the side chain so that vocal rider is oblivious to them. I find you get better and more even results, especially if the transients are very prominent and occasional in the mix. Glorious voice by the way.
@MasonDayot7 жыл бұрын
+Philfy Phil hmm good idea I should try it
@killsplaque4 жыл бұрын
Yep, for sure. Don't want snare drum spikes to cause the vocals to come up.
@Dustrauma4 жыл бұрын
Well done sir! Attention to that detail! I like it!
@aaronmondo46817 жыл бұрын
Thank You so much!! I have had this plugin for ever, and I had pretty much written it off until I watched this. Great Job!
@MasonDayot7 жыл бұрын
+Aaron Mondo I haven't ridden a vocal since haha
@TexasJackdaw7 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Thanks for posting!
@MasonDayot7 жыл бұрын
+Tim Roberts my Pleasure
@SeerTrulth7 жыл бұрын
You're the first one to explain that side-chain input takes the ride UP to keep it on top. Most folks think it is ducking due to side-chain music input, like many compressors.
@MasonDayot7 жыл бұрын
+SeerTrulth mmhm
@BurntheBreeze13 ай бұрын
Thanks bro!
@mikemathieson37006 жыл бұрын
Mate i love your tutorial big thanks
@ace200198 жыл бұрын
Awesome tip.... I will gladly put this to use
@MasonDayot8 жыл бұрын
Let me know how it goes!
@shanibkvb68722 жыл бұрын
love u broooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo i love u thxxxxxxxx
@paullekman76902 жыл бұрын
Hej new to this plugin. Side chain tip very good.
@ksquare815 жыл бұрын
Really helpful! Thank you!
@BIGKLEE4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your knowledge
@arande35 жыл бұрын
Still haven't found anything that works better than parabolic compression.
@arande35 жыл бұрын
Now I do agree that sidechaining the volume level against a soundtrack is a great way to level out the vocal audibility, although I would be pretty gentle with the settings when I do that
@DrayClay7 жыл бұрын
This helped me so much man thanks.
@MasonDayot7 жыл бұрын
+Drashawn Clay I'm glad it did!
@SouthYarraMan4 жыл бұрын
What a great song to demonstrate this Plugin with. Great arrangement, performance and a dynamite mix. Would like to know how this song was mixed and if compression was used on all instrument tracks because everything is really shining through. If a DAW doesn't have a side chain, is there a work around using the buses or maybe using Vocal Rider on a separate bus in the same way as you would apply parallel compression on drums? I can create as many buses as I need in my DAW though. Thanks and any tips would be really appreciated by all. A quick tip of my own regarding compression -- if you like to use stacked compression, say twice on vocals, then set your second instance of it in the reverse mirror image of the first! That way you will catch both the onset transient, as well as the tailout!
@KevinnR928 жыл бұрын
Thanks man! Great tutorial
@Singhka84 жыл бұрын
Great Video thanks mate!
@michaelarthurmusic3076 жыл бұрын
You might want to read the vocal rider manual, then re-do some sections of this video...
@thfell39148 жыл бұрын
Thanks bro! this helped alot..#missing puzzle piece!
@lambadalasse8 жыл бұрын
Great info. I cant get totally clear on whether VR ALWAYS should be the last insert or whether it can give a relief on compressors pleaced after VR.
@MasonDayot8 жыл бұрын
It depends if you want it to help control how hard the compressors have to work, or you can place it after to do fine tuning on the dynamics
@disengagetattoos50747 ай бұрын
Dont forget to volume match all your sends. "Alt + ctrl + H" after selecting the sending tracks.
@MarioRoqueSanRoque8 жыл бұрын
What is the name of the artist and the music? Amazing tutorial. Thanks! Best
@mikesparks33985 жыл бұрын
great sounding voice!, nice tutorial
@MasonDayot5 жыл бұрын
thank you sir. though it IS old..
@mikesparks33985 жыл бұрын
@@MasonDayot great vocal sound, that's something i'm trying to work out right now..that's how i fell across this tutorial!
@sveinunghamre3247 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mason! :)
@johnnyroc5 жыл бұрын
My plugin doesn't have the key so can't sidechain. Using Ableton 8 / mac
@seand65768 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!!!!!!
@MasonDayot7 жыл бұрын
YW!
@SmoothSailingMusic7 жыл бұрын
Love this thank you.
@MasonDayot7 жыл бұрын
+SmoothSailingMusic you're welcome!
@shawnalove50503 жыл бұрын
Blew my mind! Thanks! Question: Could you explain again how to use the Output fader of the plugin? Why do you have is so low?
@ChadFjerstad4 жыл бұрын
All these steps make sense and you can clearly see that Vocal Rider is "working", but the tutorial doesn't explain whether or not Vocal Rider is WRITING any of the riding it's doing to any of the tracks??? It's supposed to be writing automation right? Well, how do we know if it's writing at all? And does it write to the aux tracks we've created, or the original tracks we tracked the vocals on? And if it writes to the aux track... do we have to unmute it for the final mix of the song and mute the original tracks???? I feel like this part, which should have been the final step, is completely left out.
@MasonDayot4 жыл бұрын
I’m still surprised this gets views lmao
@chrisogle0015 жыл бұрын
What song in this? Who is the artist and song name? Great song.
@tpirm21424 жыл бұрын
You must not have read the manual because it clearly say use it last in the chain.
@killsplaque4 жыл бұрын
Depends on what you want it to control.
@ut1004bp3 жыл бұрын
I'm thinking placing a glue compressor set about 50%, just in before the vocal rider would help the Rider get is job done with less late or over-shot errors(?)
@adithyasatheesh1274 жыл бұрын
That song is so freaking good.
@robe.7393 жыл бұрын
Who is your vocalist. She is fantastic
@roeilevi45943 жыл бұрын
why does this trick makes my mix buss right channel so loud its clipping????
@lane19597 жыл бұрын
I need you to show me where the outputs of these Side chains go, maybe even a template of of what you did in the video!
@metrijaks4 жыл бұрын
would this work if I was using a 2 track ?
@chocolorenzo51586 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@brunocorrea62557 жыл бұрын
I actually like the original idea of it running in parallel, as it probably will sound smoother. What I don't like about Vocal Rider is that it lacks a built-in high pass sidechain filter for the vocal input. Some low notes sound very awkward levelled with the rest.
@MasonDayot7 жыл бұрын
+Bruno Corrêa excellent point, any workarounds?
@brunocorrea62557 жыл бұрын
You could filter the parallel bus with a linear phase EQ, but I wouldn't go in that direction, really. So... Writing the automation and correcting. Kinda lame.
@EddieSlowhands2 жыл бұрын
HI THERE MASON. EDDIE IN THE UK HERE. THANKS FOR SUCH A GREAT VIDEO - REALLY HELPFUL BUT......................... I'VE TRIED THIS BUT WHATEVER TYPE OF AUX CHANNEL I CREATE AND SEND ALL THE MUSIC TO IT - IF I TURN THE FADER DOWN OR MUTE AS YOU SUGGEST THE MUSIC IS TURNED DOWN OR MUTED. I'M USING STUDIO ONE ARTIST 5.4 SO CAN YOU PLEASE TEL ME HOW TO ACHIEVE THIS IN MY DAW ? I HAVE 3 CHANNEL OPTIONS - BUS - AUX OR VCA. I'VE TRIED ALL 3 BUT IT DOES THE SAME ! HELP ! ! ! BEST REGARDS - EDDIE.
@TonyOliveiramusic4 жыл бұрын
Hi thanks for the video. Question. Why do you open another aux channel just for the lead vocal rider as opposed to just using the actual channel where the vocal is to begin with? You could still route all the instrumental to the side chain that way and it would ride the volume on the channel where the vocal is. I don’t understand why you did that. What am I missing here?
@klassenjimmy998 ай бұрын
Your not missing anything that was driving me nuts and he finally said you can do that.
@HSet776 жыл бұрын
I wish waves would not use tiny green indicator lights on their plugins - myself - and many other male users - will have trouble making out the subtle changes - due to red/green color weakness combined with that small size of the indicator. Choose Blue/yellow - shades of grey - or make it larger.
@DLithic3 жыл бұрын
doesnt work with reaper? won't detect any sidechain 'key' , i believe. help!! thanks.
@laughingboy-tk6ut7 жыл бұрын
Cheers man.
@MasonDayot7 жыл бұрын
+laughingboy9000 cheers
@wara52624 жыл бұрын
Do you know how to make the sidechain work in FL studio, i sidechain it to my instrument mix bus but .. it does not detect the music and does not allow me to change the knob on the music sensitivity
@blandwithoutblues4 жыл бұрын
righttttt
@yogicbeats3 жыл бұрын
i have same exact problem
@slowpokeproductions3 жыл бұрын
Are you adjusting your send levels?
@TwentyFourHourz248 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU
@higrlz5 жыл бұрын
What's the song? Who's the artist?
@rikgreen5203 жыл бұрын
Hey man, I don't use pro tools.....I'm using reaper, so I don't have the key insert, do you know how I can do what you have done in pro tools, but in reaper.? Thanks.
@MasonDayot3 жыл бұрын
Not sure. I haven’t really used reaper
@Klangerzeuger4 жыл бұрын
Thanx, man! I bought Vocalrider 2 days ago and it is already a great help. Thanx for laying out the sidechain thing, saves me a lot of Braingrease! (is that a word in english?) 🧐great timing for me!😊
@tombadgerlock10556 жыл бұрын
Is it somehow possible to do this in Ableton?
@schuylerkingsland71283 жыл бұрын
Not clear on the advantage of doing side chain over lead vocal insert.
@RyanMartinMusic3 жыл бұрын
Are all the vocals on 1 track? For example double and harmonies et?
@toddamarino8 жыл бұрын
Hello! Thank you so much for posting this. I have the plugin and I've was using it incorrectly by just putting it on the vocal track. It does help a lot that way but your way is MUCH better. A quick question for you... How come you setup the track in Mono instead of Stereo? Can't you just make it a stereo track? Many thanks! Todd
@ShalowRecord Жыл бұрын
If you look closely he does have one VR on the lead vocal directly too
@David13Rome8 жыл бұрын
To me it sounds like it takes too much of the dynamics out. For instance at 4:35 she is holding out the word "There" and the wave form shows a small crescendo that the Vocal Rider removes. I found myself wanting to hear that crescendo. Of course compression can do the same thing but it can also be set to allow the track to breathe as well. I'm not saying the plugin doesn't have value or anything. This is just an observation.
@polocorni6 жыл бұрын
congrats on this tutorial! it really helped me understand certain aspects of the vocal rider use. my question is: In case i wanna use both the Vocal rider technique you demonstrate as well as the Rear bus technique (aka Parallel Compression on the whole mix, watch?v=R0l3XAli6Zg) , how is it possible for them to be combined?
@roedellsimmons94273 ай бұрын
Do you still have individual busses for your music and drums?
@michaelkennedy54813 жыл бұрын
I watched this and just got totally confused I rewind start again then rewind google what is a side chain stop again google what is a bus lol it’s a long road for me
@jonq87143 жыл бұрын
I can't get this to work properly, it's frustrating as hell. The initial attack of my loud parts are still quite loud and some of the quieter parts just don't seem to recover quickly enough for some lines...
@lacikollar642 ай бұрын
I am little skeptic about it it doesn't sound natural to me. Up and down or down and up it sounds little unnatural to me.
@rse29345 жыл бұрын
Thanks yo
@KrakowskiStudio4 жыл бұрын
Great tutorial, thank you. I have two questions: 1. why do put fader of the VR to -12db? 2. would you use VR write option to record the automation, to, then, adjust it manually if needs be?
@undergroundmixtapes30372 жыл бұрын
Can i use it on a bounced instrumental like stereo track? Or jus send every instrument stem to the vocal rider aux?
@finnesszdol05 жыл бұрын
Whats the shortest way to use this plug in properly like u have in this video
@TheDrCano7 жыл бұрын
Hi Mason, thanks for the tutorial! I have a question. Why can't you send the music to a bus and simply SC that one bus with the VR instead of having the SC on every track except the vocals? Thanks again.
@MasonDayot7 жыл бұрын
Well, where are you getting the music from? A stereo bus that has all of the music elements only? With that in mind, you have to send ONLY the music elements that you want. You can even pick and choose which elements you want to send (BGVs for instance)
@GammelfarMusik7 жыл бұрын
Great tutorial. Won't it be easier to just put Vocal Rider directly on the vocal track and still sidechain the music? Until now, I've just been using it as a stand alone plugin to even out the vocal track. Gonna check out the sidechaining now. :-)
@MasonDayot7 жыл бұрын
+Mikkel Tiedt Musik I actually do that now and can confirm it works
@GammelfarMusik7 жыл бұрын
Of course it makes sense, if you have a mix of several vocal tracks you need to flow on top of the mix :-)
@wvvyx73166 жыл бұрын
For anyone wondering how to do this in Studio One; BUS your lead vocals on one bus channel and then add Vocal Rider and turn "sidechain" on. Go to your beat or where you have all your instrument on one a track, and on the SEND add "sidechain vocal rider". You should see the green light now for the music and your vocals riding. Also don't forget to put the fader down on the bus channel.
@nlrstudios74766 жыл бұрын
Do you have to bounce the song down in real time so that it plays out loud for the vocal rider to work? (I'm using logic pro) or can you bounce it down offline so that it goes faster, but the vocal rider will still work? also if I wanted to vocal ride multiple tracks at once how could I do that?
@reginaldcarstairs8198 жыл бұрын
Well I must say I'm a bit disappointed with Waves here. The Vocal Rider is such a good idea, but the vocal level rising over a backing track through side-chained music-sensitivity just isn't happening here, even after hours of twiddling with it. I've got 30 years' recording experience and I'm a dab-hand with PT12. The green light glows when it hears something on the S/C, but then takes ages to fade out again afterwards. If I were riding the vocal and backing-track faders manually, I'd be reacting a lot faster than VR does after a louder passage, and that applies when using both the fast and slow attack setting. I've experimented with the 'idle' level, the 'target' level and the range limiters, but I cannot make a vocal recording increase in volume over a loud bit in the backing, and then subside a little when the music gets quieter. Anyone else found this function to be somewhat, er, non-functional?
@smarthalayla15498 жыл бұрын
Cool video. So can it be used as am automatic volume slider for a full stereo mix also without having compression or limiting effects? And what if its used for music with a very low and very high volume changes? I'm talking about using it with a stereo after wave mix and no effecting a vocal track.
@studiomacleod2 жыл бұрын
I can’t get it to automate
@theshoprecordingstudio73087 жыл бұрын
Thanks Man. Great Tutorial!
@MasonDayot7 жыл бұрын
+The SHOP - Rehearsal & Recording Studio thanks!
@Echomanrecords8 жыл бұрын
Awesome
@MasonDayot7 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@ximehtnijr4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! What about the vocal dial? When do we use that one? Thank you.