The Avengers Didn't Used to Be Cool

[@rmoore1107]

The Avengers weren't even the Marvel D team.

[@rmoore1107]

Just saying there was the X-Men Gold, X-Men Blue, X Factor, X Force, just to name a few that would get called before the Avengers were even mentioned in the conversation.

[@DocBruceBanner]

​@@rmoore1107Get called? The X-Men were always outlaws. Who would call them? The cops?

[@SidneyTalksTooMuch]

YOU KNOW THATS RIGHT

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

I dont believe you. Iron man and cap were big in the 90s TV series and Avengers got its own show too united we stand.

[@RafelChip]

Hulk and captain America were big, iron man was mildly popular, but the avengers themselves as a group were a D team. To my knowledge anyway

[@sandwich3770]

They should’ve had Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyne as founding members in the mcu

[@The_Blue_Otaku]

Agreed

[@tomaskaila]

I dunno, I kinda like the idea they had of having Hank Pym be part of the pre-avengers "shield special unit" then branching off to become his own thing. The problem is that Ant-Man came so late into the plot and had so little involvement with the avengers outside of Endgame that we sort of never saw all that potential explored.

[@sandwich3770]

@ you have other characters you could’ve had fulfill those roles like the invaders

[@smirkyshadow4152]

it was originally planned to have them as founding members, but it was not done for one main reason there was an ant-man movie that was planned to be made before avengers 1, around the same time as the incredible hulk, thor, and captain america, but it got stuck in production hell, so they had to cut ant-man from the avengers movie Then later on they changed directors, and scripts, and that would become the ant-man movie we know now

[@mawinstallation6626]

Avengers were the OG non-team, truly a god damn revolving roster. Stan Lee's run was mediocre and incosistent but when Roy Thomas arrived the book was greatly elevated and kept a relatively decent sales and popularity streak - to this day. Calling them D-listers is such an infuriating misconception that was popularized after Endgame. Of course we have to ignore the 90s like with every possible Marvel title duh. Of course no one gave a shit about Black Knight or Sersi but Cap, Iron Man, Thor, hell even Vision, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver HELL EVEN WASP AND YELLOWJACKED were at best B-listers, not the shitty Z-listers everyone believes were "saved" by Mark Millar and then Joss Whedon and Disney

[@callmejacob3234]

Hot take The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes and Spectacular Spider-Man are better than the MCU. Those are peak Marvel in my opinion. Just like the DCAU is peak DC.

[@SidneyTalksTooMuch]

DANG THAT IS HOT

[@callmejacob3234]

@@SidneyTalksTooMuch What's the Scoville level?

[@SidneyTalksTooMuch]

⁠ A+

[@callmejacob3234]

@@SidneyTalksTooMuch Batman: The Animated Series is the peak of the superhero genre in my opinion. It's very well written and mature for a "kids" show. It's a shame people don't give animation a chance it's better than live action in my opinion.

[@The_Blue_Otaku]

After looking back at everything yeah I agree Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes adapted the comics leagues better then the MCU, but for Spider-man I just gotta say that both Spectacular Spider-man and the 90s Spider-man: Animated Series are peak adaptations of the Webhead.

[@henrygarcia39]

IDK if I agree with everything here but THANK YOU for showing Ruffalo some love. Nowadays, it seems like everyone and their mom is pretending that they “always preferred Norton anyways.” They act like they didn’t cream theme selves in 2012 when Ruffalo said “I’m always angry.”

[@SidneyTalksTooMuch]

THATS MY SECRET HANK IVE BEEN CREAMED SINCE 2012

[@henrygarcia39]

@@SidneyTalksTooMuch Calling a guy named Henry Hank? Marvel logic at its FINEST!

[@guywithnoelectrictyoutsid]

Ruffalo is pretty good bruce banner, only if marvel did better job with hulk instead of just having him and bruce become one character

[@MoroccanRose85]

They don’t give Rick Jones any love in the MCU and he’s such an important character.

[@gageansman295]

Yo, shout out to this man for repping my boy Rick Jones. Favorite comic sidekick.

[@mrpurplejeans]

Tbh I always liked the avengers But i hate how in the comics it's so rare that hulk is an avenger He's more commonly a defender

[@albertokorogu1258]

Yeah cuz he's usually just more popular solo and tbh I kinda prefer him solo for the most part. 😭😭 Kinda hate how much the movies locked down the teams so much even though I get why it makes it a lot less fluid and creative like the comics which I've always appreciated.

[@thehonkeykong1126]

You know in hind sight reading that bit in Infinity Gauntlet, making the Hulk that small coulda been a worse problem than intended if the writers treated that like how Ant-Man keeps his relative normal size strength at those small heights; like imagine tryna fight action figure sized Hulk and he actually just punches a hole through yah because his fist is so small but still delivers the same amount of power

[@XHero220]

The Avengers were cool when not many people knew about them. The MCU has ruined Marvel.

[@leotheliongames]

This video is insanely well done! Keep it up man!

[@SidneyTalksTooMuch]

THANK YOU

[@IronElephantProductions]

Insanely cool and unique style “We will watch your career with great interest”

[@themetaphysicalgentleman]

Nice positive statements about the movie and nice art, but also the central point about the comics is just... blatantly wrong? And this video kind of even points that out? Like yeah the Avengers get taken down by Thanos quickly in this issue but this video also points out that Wolverine and Cyclops get taken down super quickly too, so if getting curb-stomped by Thanos in this fight is the metric we use to judge how cool characters were in the comics that would mean Wolverine and Cyclops aren't popular or cool. For the first several years of Marvel The Avengers were actually way more popular than the X-Men, to the point that Marvel stopped making new X-Men stories entirely. It wasnt until the 1970s that the X-Men began their steady rise to being Marvel's most popular team, and it was only in the 90s that the Avengers' became seen as kind of a B-list team. For all of the 60s-80s the Avengers were the biggest team at Marvel other than the Fantastic Four, and from the 2000s on they regained that popularity with New Avengers and everything that followed. Even at their least popular at the height of X-mania in the 90s they were still a respectable team. Additionally, the 90s decrease in their popularity largely came from not featuring Thor, Cap, or Iron Man as much - these central Avengers were always big at Marvel, maintaining solo books more consistently than almost any other character not named Spider-Man. Did the movie make them more popular to general audiences? Definitely. But these characters and this team were still heavy hitters way before this movie. Also Hawkeye's outfit is silly, but Clint was always great and the fact he wasn't as strong as other Avengers was a consistent element of his character that led to great moments, and Hawkeye was so cool in the 80s that they gave hik his own Avengers team to lead. Again, nice points about the movie and nice art, but the central argument of this video is just blatantly wrong.

[@marcthunder]

this is getting around. job well done.

[@hawkbirdtree3660]

0:02 “Tell me what you like; what you really really like” 😂

[@skarletxkabal]

Did you do this art? I adore the art style it’s so charming, I could watch u explain comic story arcs for hours

[@SidneyTalksTooMuch]

I DID THANK YOU

[@punknuggetpuny]

This video was super entertaining. I absolutely love this!!! keep it up!

[@backup-qg6nb]

44th sub, I think this channel is gonna turn out nicely. Can't wait to binge watch when you have enough videos! 👍

[@madamplatypus313]

Seriously, where did some of these dudes on the internet get the idea the geeks they used to beat up for their lunch money were ever on their side? And Bruce Banner SHOULD be a depressed nerd like the rest of us!!!

[@SidneyTalksTooMuch]

I AGREE ABOUT BRUCE. LUNCH MONEY THO?

[@GhostToasters93]

I'm sick of people acting like Ironman was such an obscure character before the film. I mean, he probably was as popular as some DC superheroes like green lantern flash and aquaman.

[@Hot_SpicyGrill]

Mark was a good banner in the first avengers. But he became a progressively worse banner. It was probably due to the lack of detection for the hulk character.

[@litiangparra6799]

I remeber those times, the xmen were the big bois, and the it was the fantasic 4, and the avengers, only till now were they are the top dogs now

[@maxordman4100]

I don't agree with everything you said but this was an amazing rant! You should do more videos like this! Avengers One is definitely my favorite movie from MCU phase 1!

[@infntegaming]

James Spader like tone and style

[@HalfToastedWatermelon]

Fire video 🔥 was very entertaining

[@DEADCALMCOMIX]

This video sucked so much I watched it twice and subscribed

[@GuyParson]

i really like Mark Ruffalo in Avengers, but it really feels like with time, he and Hulk became much more lame? Hulk lost against Thanos, and became simply Mark Ruffalo on 5 layers of CGI, with almost nothing really tying him to the Hulk people know and love.

[@Unremarkable6969]

The Avengers weren't even the D-Team 💀 Mfs had to share page space with Armless Legless Tiger Man.

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

No Way it was that bad

[@albertokorogu1258]

@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 Ik it sounds crazy now but lowkey yeah 😭😭 ppl conflate their popularity like crazy nowadays. Even as a kid growing up in the early 2010's you were seen as the odd one out if you didn't pick DC over Marvel. Especially with TDK trilogy still having recently ended and being a big deal with many casuals at the time and pop culture.

[@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259]

@@albertokorogu1258 yeah but iron man and cap were in the 90s spider-man show and iron man even had his own show

[@albertokorogu1258]

@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 spider-man isnt typically an avenger bro 😭😭

[@albertokorogu1258]

@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 And those shows werent big very niche followings. Iron Man was more of an underlooked 90s Marvel Cartoon it was mainly Spider-Man: The Animated Series and X-Men. I even saw the Hulk show get more love than Iron Man.

[@katamattyon]

Ruffalo as Banner (and now as permahulk) makes me cringe, I used to love the Hulk as a character and a concept, but he's flattened under Ruffalo

[@yourfatboy5359]

1) they were lit, so many great stories were made back in the 60s. readers loved them 2) they were not d listers.

[@albertokorogu1258]

probably B-C listers but yeah still

[@jsj0520]

I have way more respect for the first two Thor movie than I ever will for ragnarock. And you will never see me watch love & thunder. To me ragnarock was the start of the downfall of the MCU. And back when it first came out I thought I was the crazy one for hating it yet Everyone kept saying how funny and entertaining it was. My problems with it were that it just didn’t feel like Thor, it felt like some clown had taken his place. And the fact that they ripped out parts of the story from planet hulk / world war hunk (one of my favorite comic stories of all time) and turned hulk into a bumbling baby made me so mad.

[@Kissamiess]

Avengers were always cool. Even #200.

[@samuelloos]

Fun video keep up the good work and remember jesus loves you all god bless never test the lord repent of your sins

[@debadityaroy6640]

didn't use*

[@sakurai53]

Easy sub lol

[@Hot_SpicyGrill]

I don’t like the rewriting of history that the that charters like iron man and cap where unknown until the mcu. As someone who knows a lot of red necks, red necks loved having merch of a character they knew nothing about, and iron man had a tv show before the mcu. People compare there popularity to a Batman or spider man. Batman, Spider man, Superman, Wolverine. Those are S tier characters. Ironman before the mcu. Wasn’t super popular, but was far more recognizable than a hawk eye. Or even a green lantern.