The AWFUL Game Design of Vanilla Smash Ultimate! (Exploring 1.0.0)

[@Sjono]

Wish they’d release a patch where changing your costumes doesn’t take decades of loading

[@eaa1338]

There should be more changes like more music to choose from when you want to change the menu music, more options in training mode (DI, SDI, buffering moves when in hitstun or shieldstun, a toggle for hazards off in training mode) and a toggle for hazards off in regular smash.

[@dianauwu1312]

@@eaa1338 rollback netcode

[@eaa1338]

@@dianauwu1312 that too but I think that they would never do that but yeah they could improve the online so we don’t have that much input delay. There are more changes I want in this game like the option to choose which stage hazards you want for that specific stage (for example if I want to play to play on hazards on yoshi’s story with the cloud and without the shy guys then I can just disable the shy guys and play on this stage with the cloud) and a new mode volleyball mode in melee.

[@dianauwu1312]

@@eaa1338 I think rollback would have a a much bigger effect on the health of the game, and there is no excuse for them not to do it.

[@eaa1338]

@@dianauwu1312 same I also think that rollback would help but the thing is that it would cost a lot of time and money and I don’t think that they would do this but I hope that I get proven wrong and that they will put it in.

[@LAXsomeguy]

"People really didn't like playing a character that could turn losing games into wins with 2 moves" *melee jigglypuff sweats nervously*

[@WhyDo]

C L U T C H B O X

[@AGZhark]

We get it

[@clipboard_guy]

But if you miss rest you usually die

[@Trolling4Jesus]

@@clipboard_guy To be fair same with chrom's up b

[@yuvibitter]

To be fair that's almost every character in melee

[@JugularJohn]

Blue Mario was so broken he was taken off before vanilla smash even existed. They had to shut him down in the beta version of smash ultimate.

[@DH571]

I don’t get this

[@supremechaosbeing2696]

yeah me neither

[@salj.5459]

DH 18:14

[@captainpep3]

@@DH571 waluigi, not sure why they called him blue Mario though

[@legoboy7107]

Blue Mario makes me think you're talking about SMG4, lol. I'd say Waluigi's more Purple Mario.

[@jimiyu.]

"People really didn't like playing a character that could turn losing games into wins with 2 moves" smash 4: _laughter_ edit: this man really just went to my profile so he could comment "trash" under my piano stuff edit 2: electric boogaloo: he did it again

[@daythenite5683]

yea that was pretty much every character

[@AGZhark]

That was a great game

[@MistaMasta420]

For glory bayo's still haunts my dreams, the side b into b⬅️b↕️b↩️b⤵️b↙️b⬆️b➡️b⬇️b🔄b🔃b✅b🔝 to kill

[@AGZhark]

@@MistaMasta420 Bayonetta*

[@Quinntessentialskill]

@@AGZhark What... exactly are you correcting? Bayo is short for bayonetta.

[@omlett6482]

"People really didn't like playing a character that could turn losing games into wins with 2 moves" Yeah, i'm glad Wario got hit with the nerf hammer as well, waft is just so insanely strong coupled with his kit and... wait... Edit: Damn, this aged decently well, i suppose

[@mr.mcklockwork3828]

I think waft is fine, you get 2-3 uses max, have to combo into it, and Wario has an otherwise trash moveset without it. I think thats balanced

[@omlett6482]

@@mr.mcklockwork3828 i really hope that's sarcasm

[@AverageHandle_]

@@omlett6482 same

[@WhyDo]

It was crazy, almost like a final smash you could use whenever you wanted. Thankfully patch 18.0.0 in May 2023 changed it so he farts immediately as soon as he reaches max charge.

[@AverageHandle_]

@@WhyDo nice change of them

[@jeredgibb5064]

Void's pichu was legendary but most of his kills were ftilt by ledge

[@vivelespatat2670]

So that's not legendary.

[@vivelespatat2670]

So that's not legendary.

[@restless276]

@@vivelespatat2670 I mean there’s like a hundred other things other than kills to be legendary at

[@sixarmedpsycho_9]

@@restless276 Combos!

[@restless276]

@1998SIMOMEGA I never said combos but ok

[@starpetalarts6668]

Vanilla Chrom really made the getting meteor smashes on level 9 cpu challenge rather easy.

[@Vio-Latta]

I just made a custom stage

[@niksooxyz]

I wish I knew that... I just used pichu on FD with four other level 1 cpus

[@oogabooga8333]

Tbh I was waiting for alf

[@ImLuna_az]

What is the lvl 9 CPU challenge? I’m curious, it would be nice to get some challenge out of the computers.

[@Vio-Latta]

@@ImLuna_az its an in game achievement in the vault section

[@Moss_Dude]

Thank god patches exist now

[@treykincy]

Is that a Boltreaver Astalos from Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate for the Nintendo Switch I see in your profile pic?👀

[@Moss_Dude]

@@treykincy Yeeeeeees it is ;p

[@etaquince5220]

@@treykincy its a mega charizard

[@oivariini7]

And whazam! They're gone.

[@ducktail4068]

They have always existed for games and smash since 4

[@greenlink445]

Cue comments asking for every mii brawler combination part 2

[@WhyDo]

At this point I've made over half of the videos on my channel while procrastinating Part 2 😭

[@tomasestebanrojaslaluz1688]

@@WhyDo PLEASE PART 2, tho keep up the content, it's really high quality

[@corn8837]

@@WhyDo please do it, ik it’s a nightmare to put together though so it’s okay if you don’t lol

[@MercuryA2000]

@@WhyDo mood.

[@Mama_Peach]

@@WhyDo take your time and look after yourself dude, procrastination is a pain but your content is all really enjoyable and really teaches me a lot of smash stuff i had no idea about. Tldr love your content man, you got this

[@GoonCommander]

I thought the start was gonna be about bad AI, and was ready to retaliate with the fact that I had a level 9 Marth CPU hit me offstage, run to the other ledge, fall, and up but not make it back, all 3 stocks in a match.

[@GoonCommander]

@1998SIMOMEGA that's why I was confused, I thought he was gonna say that. But guess what, just last night I was fighting a Pit CPU on the Sky world stage, he was getting bopped around and not teching, and after he went from like 30-120 and ended up outside the middle area, HE FUCKING USED BOTH DOUBLE JUMPS TOWARD THE BLAST ZONE AND UP B'D TO HIS DEATH LAST STOCK! I know it was because the moving platform was coming into the screen and he missed its ledge but geez

[@deoxysandmew2162]

@@GoonCommander Fun Fact, Jam. I've had loads of experience with Lv.9's in this game and I can assure you that the CPUs have tendency to do something I call it: "Suicidal DI". Its a DI where they legit give up and end the match, if you overwhelm them enough. I've had that to happen way too many times to count and in some instances, actually yesterday, I've had an Lv.9 to just not use a recovery on their last stock while I 3 stocked them and it was ISABELLE of all characters.

[@TheNegationist]

"I just... don't think that in any fighting game, you should be able to make comebacks that quickly and just, steal the game." A Smash 4 veteran I see

[@laytonjr6601]

Hungrybox playing Melee Jiglypuff disagres

[@AGZhark]

@@laytonjr6601 ?

[@AGZhark]

Yes. I am

[@marcosausinmoreno8333]

@@AGZhark What do you mean “?"

[@AGZhark]

@@marcosausinmoreno8333 I was making a joke on how I’m a Smash Bros WiiU/3DS veteran, (and Brawl), even though I just got the first one a few months ago.

[@D3ATH2GL0RY]

3:14 Fun Fact, It still works on certain characters, especially Bowsers. I should know as I am one of the rare Duck Hunt mains. Unfortunately ever since the patch our lives have been a nightmare and life is pain.

[@ElderPrinceShroob]

BiteVictim 1993 I agree

[@johanklaver3237]

Wait really? Now I wanna try it! (I also main Duck Hunt 😄)

[@nitronikolai]

You deserve it for maining Duck Hunt.

[@D3ATH2GL0RY]

@@nitronikolai I just wanted to play the funny Dog and Duck ;-;

[@rang4889]

Our lives are not pain side b to back air is true kill confirm, side b side b down air down air is true and kills. Side b side b up air is true. Its honestly not that bad compared to smash 4 duck hunt. Ive been playing him for like 3 years now

[@nesswednesday2976]

"We never have to deal with any of these horrible things ever again." Me: Tries to stay quiet because they like a day 1 0-death combo that's been untouched.

[@BunnyOnASnuman]

Which one?

[@cryingrat8574]

@Phyrion Aurum probs sheik I've been in a sheik combo for about 3 days now I'm at 40 atm

[@bennygold1204]

ROB gang

[@larrycap2946]

@@cryingrat8574 lmao

[@issacsantana6419]

Luigi? They tried and failed to remove that lol. If you're talking about R.O.B., he has about 40 different variants of a 0-death

[@toxicastigator]

It’s rough around the edges, and thank fucking god that patches exist, but I have so much appreciation and nostalgia for the early days of Ultimate.

[@WhyDo]

For sure. Especially those early locals, when there was no meta and we were figuring everything out... going to the diner post-tournament at 4AM and trash talking/arguing over which characters were good, in the absence of ANY data... someone showing you some CRAZY tech they found, recorded with a shaky phone cam. First few months of Ultimate were pretty magical, and I'm even more nostalgic for them now that I'm stuck inside all the time!

[@runaway74]

@@WhyDo haha, it's like having my memories written out to me. Couldn't have said it better myself

[@brezilianpope]

The hype was so real when ultimate just came out

[@johnpinto8299]

remember when chrom had the wrong victory theme

[@WhyDo]

I didn't even notice this or have any idea about it, gave me a good laugh so thank you! They really just forgot LOL

[@soni-switch5207]

I think you mean the right victory theme. As a Chrom secondary, the old one was so much better than the Awakening one.

[@toluolomolaiye6433]

@@soni-switch5207 no the wrong one. I also prefer the normal fire emblem theme overall but Chrom is an awakening character so most (me included) prefer his current one as it actually represents the game he’s from

[@encrylix9092]

Yup lmaoooo

[@AGZhark]

@@soni-switch5207 wrong

[@skytterbrain_]

For those who don't think much of early Chrom up b lemme put it this way: You know how you have to approach Wario with Waft like you're a stock behind? You have to play against vanilla Chrom with the same mindset. Oh and he starts with and never loses his 'Waft'.

[@Mepphy99]

When Will Waft be nerfed tho?

[@skytterbrain_]

Never.

[@RA1S0R]

Hard disagree. Chromicide (out of nair or fair) does not work past 15% unless you are playing a super heavy like dk or bowser. Plus it does not work if you have stage control against Chrom which should not be hard if you are at low %. Yes Chrom can yolo up B off stage but he dies if he misses.

[@skytterbrain_]

@@RA1S0R fair point lol, kind of a vague comparison on my end but my general point is you can't overextend against Chrom even at low (0) percent.

[@Mepphy99]

@@skytterbrain_ that's stupid

[@PokefreakofBACON]

when you mentioned shield stun i was already anticipating you to not talk about mii gunner even though she was so busted with it, and then i remembered this is a good channel and you dont ignore mii fighters for no reason

[@PokefreakofBACON]

breaking shields with the missile/charge shot combo was so fuckin fun back in the day

[@legoboy7107]

@@PokefreakofBACON Sans be like.

[@PokefreakofBACON]

@@legoboy7107 sans mii costume wasnt in the game when this was possible. also i dont use the sans mii costume at all

[@jakebriggs3478]

So this is gonna be a series? If so, I’m super excited. These videos are so cool, getting to go back and look at the previous states of the game. Great work!

[@imESAM]

omg i made it int he video

[@LGSweets]

cmon man

[@tang620]

dude after this cameo you're gonna be, like, famous bro

[@NOHAYJALE900]

Ok bald head

[@konajohnson6182]

First the world record and now making an appearance on this video. Your going places Eric!

[@soulmuncher.]

youre still bald tho

[@MrskipperCP]

Even though Samus can still be frustrating to fight against online, In glad we don’t have to deal with charge shot breaking shields anymore

[@jj6148]

Down B into Charge shot still breaks full shields lol. Thankfully it doesn’t do as much damage.

[@MrskipperCP]

@@jj6148 true, but at least that requires some conditioning to an extent as a posed to just pressing one button. On a side note, that looks sick when it does happen and can lead into a down b, down air spike near the ledge if they’re at the right percentage

[@skyslasher2297]

It could break shields I missed out

[@jj6148]

@1998SIMOMEGA I said Down B into charge shot. Th e charge shot itself doesn’t do as much shield damage as it used to. It won’t break your shield if down b doesn’t connect or if it’s above around half health.

[@Bladieblah]

@@MrskipperCPIt didn't break shields in one go. Roy's shield didn't fully recover and he held it for almost a full second before the charge shot connected. The much bigger change to projectiles he didn't go over was how they all inflicted less shield stun/hitlag as a result of this nerf to shield damage. That was the real nerf, it made projectile zoning in neutral a lot weaker

[@corbinator250]

More noticings about the PS2 blue screen thingy: -At 18:16, Charizard's flame breath is actually blue, you can see it in the bottom left corner. -At 18:19, Squirtle is hella weird looking and it looks like his colors are inverted. -At 20:49 when Ivysaur is throwing his razor leaf, it looks much more blue than green, and the trail following it is also more blue. -At 20:53, Ivysaur looks green with a purple back bulb, and the explosion from the down air is blue. -At 21:36, the Pokémon Trainer has a blue outfit on as well as his pokeball being blue. -Whenever the screen is showing, the audience in the back is normally blue but in the screen they are red. -Literally everything blue is red and everything that is red is blue.

[@WhyDo]

I am so perplexed by this bug... very curious what could be causing it now!

[@corbinator250]

@@WhyDo me too, I wonder if anyone else noticed it pre patch, I would love to explore it more.

[@burn7391]

@@WhyDo it's likely an emulation issue

[@craftyawesome6830]

"BGRA color issues when using OpenGL" issue #3581 Still open, but reported as fixed end of November.

[@Ecl1psed276]

It looks like the red and blue values of each pixel are swapped (so they interpret RGB as BGR or vice versa). Idk why that would happen.

[@Choochinc]

They removed characters' ability to break full shields with 2 hit projectile combos, but then they gave Sephiroth a frame 21 down smash that breaks anything except a completely full shield. At least Byleth's down B is frame 62 and Peach pulling a Mr. Saturn is extremely rare.

[@WhyDo]

Sephiroth's downsmash definitely has 1.0.0 energy

[@vivelespatat2670]

Ganondorf : hey you guys talking about shield breaking ?

[@TopOfAllWorlds]

@@vivelespatat2670 Not the same thing all his smash and sheild breaking moves are like frame 50 lol

[@AnthanKrufix]

That requires the triplehit sweetspot to do that sort of shield damage. If you don't get the stab, the floor impact, and also the dust projectile it doesn't break shield even after they block 3 side-b orbs. And honestly at that point it's more likely to shieldpoke instead of break.

[@killerbug05]

At least sephiroth can't do down smash cross map even tho it feels like it sometimes 😭

[@sammied7983]

I’m really hoping that these videos will eventually talk about 3.1.0 brawler changes

[@WhyDo]

For sure! After I finish covering the major 1.0.0 jank, I'd like to talk about some characters that got buffed a ton!

[@PrettyKoolCrocodile]

@@WhyDo I think I'm gonna know one of them

[@Mr_Deedeedoo]

never forget olimar with the akuma spirit and how the pikmin did literal broken percents

[@ThoughtE]

The 6 dislikes are the 6 clay pigeons used in a duck hunt combo :\

[@AGZhark]

...

[@myntchyp]

Thank you for another exciting and entertaining video, content creator Why Do (The shortened version of WDBTHtGP, or Why Do Bad Things Happen to Good People) I will look forward to your next video on the video game Super Smash Bros Ultimate for the Nintendo Switch!

[@dbgr9875]

This is mega broke, but I'd still love to see a Marvel v Capcom 2 style Ultimate mod, where every character gets crazy broken things like this. Just imagine.

[@EternumTagerMain]

"YO U WANNA LEARN HOW 2 DO A FOCKEN INFINITE?!"

[@WhyDo]

Yooo just saw this, but this basically exists already. It's called Brawl Minus and I highly recommend you check it out on an emulator sometime... some of the most hilarious & fun character designs in fighting games ever. Everyone is basically Brawl Meta Knight! I should actually make a video on it soon since I've spent so much time playing it with friends!

[@kestrel7493]

@@WhyDo I just looked it up and it seems really fun! It's funny though that in a mod aiming to make everyone broken, metaknight still got nerfed

[@axaturdoor7553]

Man, I wished there was a period where people complained about Mii Gunner being broken but it’s reasonable that they weren’t since they were underplayed in Ultimate. Still, at least I was there for Mii Gunner while the pre-patches lasted. R.I.P. missile and charge shot shield breaks. You’ve carried me in the most broken of Ultimate.

[@impossiblehanley2732]

I wish there was a universe where in a point people complained how broken was little mac :(

[@legoboy7107]

Underplayed...until Sans.

[@tlk777]

This video seems to imply that these combos were intended and left in on purpose. I wouldn't call it "bad game design", because the players discover something a bit too good.

[@Dragon-eu8cb]

You're a great youtuber, like that this is becoming a series. Also good to see blue Mario is still going strong.

[@hoboayoyo]

Cool video. Some thoughts. I don’t think the “game design” is bad, there were just some oversights on a few fringe cases on a few moves. Recovery on projectile move being advantageous to the user makes sense in most case, the attacker isn’t the focus of the attack so they can move quicker. I think the idea for large block stun on projectiles to to emphasize other options besides shields to stop the opponents projectiles. I’m not sure why shield damage is so high in some projectiles though.

[@rainboroad]

things i feel are worth a mention: lucina’s foward air launching further lucina’s vanilla F smash palutena’s vanilla neutral air palutena’s vanilla down throw peach’s vanilla forward air (sweetspot especially) peach’s vanilla side-b peach’s vanilla down-b (it was 5 frames faster i think) marth’s vanilla tippers (they were awful, this would be his up air, forward air and back air that got buffed in present day) wolf’s vanilla down smash shulk’s vanilla shield monado vanilla ken and ryu, they had SO MANY things that never used to link together vanilla game and watch’s bucket glitch Ike’s vanilla neutral air

[@camusreviews6877]

Chrom can still do this, it just doesn’t consistently kill the opponent first. If you’re up a stock it’s just as good. You could be at 100% and your opponent at 0% but one hit and Chrom can kill you both.

[@TopOfAllWorlds]

Yeah... he shows that in the video. Like he litterally says this.

[@dmitrisemenoff6455]

@1998SIMOMEGA he says that chrom can still trade a stock but not outright win the game freely with it

[@silvesta5027]

Whydo just became Whydont

[@camkart100]

1:30 Chromas-the-tank-engine

[@wollins7244]

“Turn losing games into wins with 2 moves” Hey kazuya does that too!

[@AlquimistEd]

"People really didn't like playing a character that could turn losing games into wins with 2 moves" *Kazuya Mishima, wins*

[@TheBestPikachuFan]

I can tell you're not very informed on DH as someone who mains him. Though I can't blame anyone for that lol. Pigeon strings are very much still a thing, they just don't last nearly as long. But on heavies 3-4 pigeons in a row is still very likely. 2-3 on everyone else. As for damaging combos a good DH can manage 50+ in one true combo. As for killing, DH actually has several options. Every aerial can kill except fair, down angled ftilt is his most reliable grounded kill move besides smash attacks, and the smash attacks themselves are fairly strong if you consider how much KB and damage they do. Nevertheless, this isn't meant to be "DO YOUR RESEARCH!!!!!!" comment. Just some pointers on the character. Believe me, the pigeon nerf was very much needed loooool. Nice and humorous video~

[@rang4889]

Lol i main duck hunt too do u have a discord? Also it seems like everyone forgets about his true side b short hop side b down air confirm at ledge. Plus side b to back air is a pretty reliable kill option as well. He also has a double damage glitch which is busted kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqaTgn6rfbKJgJI . Although it will probably get patched. The only thing holding him back is that a lot of hit kill options are very situational/ involving a setup. I mean u know its bad when someone can di a double pummel grab into back throw can at 130% and still survive

[@TheBestPikachuFan]

@@rang4889 Are you in the Duck Hunt Discord?

[@rang4889]

@@TheBestPikachuFan wait, theres a duck hunt discord? Send me the link my discord darknessrang#0256

[@TheBestPikachuFan]

@@rang4889 Alright cool!

[@jeffjeff2181]

@@rang4889 Late to the party but also a Duck Hunt main. I find this kill window very frustrating. I almost find myself fishing for setups as to not get the opponents damage too high where the stock turns into a how many times does he hit can until he dies lmao. I will say though in situations where they have can read out up air or up smash work wonders.

[@WhitePointerGaming]

This isn't bad *design*, if you want to be technical. This is just bad balance, which is not the same thing.

[@tyfive99]

"You have to use all your Pokemon and really choose your decisions wisely" _Me, solely using Charizard 80% of the time:_ hmmmm yes yes I totally agree

[@LARAUJO_0]

20:42 "Aerial knockback" and "use it in the air" can specify knockback given to airborne opponents and the aerial form of up-B respectively, unless there actually isn't a difference in which case nevermind

[@bloodydoll5897]

I like the motion blur on samus jumps. i think it looks pretty and reminds me of how it works in metroid :3

[@WhyDo]

Never noticed this before! It does look pretty cool

[@Tonjit41]

Great content. I love this stuff. You should talk about some of the old glitches that existed like the DDD face glitch, the isabelle assist trophy insanity, G&W bucket walk, the G&W up air through Yoshi's Island.

[@Pan_Z]

Feels like this video could've communicated the same amount of information in under 6-minutes.

[@sixarmedpsycho_9]

I didn't know back then when Duck Hunt had a broken combo. Now I do. Kudos to the video here for showing me.

[@spoopyskeleton2010]

Dear diary, today I learned what a clay pigeon is

[@porygonlover322]

Talking with my friend who mains Gunner and she did point out that they kinda overcompensated their shield damage nerfs, being able to beat shields (but not aggressive options) used to be like core to their design and now they're terrible at that compared to even other zoners

[@WhyDo]

Charge Shot is way less safe on shield than Samus's, but overall I think hitting shields is overall pretty good for gunner, as someone who uses the character in tournament for several matchups. I should cover this in a video soon, but basically the key is travel time. The longer a projectile is out, the longer your frame advantage is... so you want to do them at positions/timings that are as safe as possible, without being too reactable. Fair can be as safe as like +5 on block at max range, while it's a solid -1 point blank. That fullhop shieldbreak setup I showed off in this video? It's still a guaranteed grab - +6 or even better - if you do it right... missiles can be made positive at reasonable ranges too. Gunner also has an upthrow that does 16.3% to beat shields! Overall I think the character is still a really good zoner at dealing with that option.

[@VideoCentral-bh9tf]

@@WhyDo I believe at roll distance super missile is +5. Also something to mention, grenade is over +10 on the ground, but since you can use arieal drift, you do it in the air and with drift get like +23 or something rediculas like that. Also, am I a bad person for missing 1.0.0 gunner?

[@TwitchVO]

Funny enough (I was the one who found this out a long time ago) Duck Hunt's sideb was technically an infinite because you could switch sides with it and continue looping it until uair would kill around 120, where even K.Rool would die near the ceiling. It worked on every character. They nerfed it the very next patch, just like reticle duplication. They still never fixed his self-harmful bugs and even made fsmash worse when they tried to 'fix' it. Char is a beautiful mess.

[@HaydenTheEeeeeeeeevilEukaryote]

10:11 I like how that tip happened to be the one to pop up as you were describing shield break things

[@calibvr]

The block damage looks cursed even though I have had the game since day 1

[@ochako_gaming]

I don't think Vanilla Chrom was bad game design, just classic Chrom shenanigans

[@justas423]

With a game with as many characters as Smash, work for the balance team must be a fucking nightmare. Nerf or Buff one things, ten other things show up that break the Meta.

[@danelo13]

Chrom didn't even need to suicide in order to kill. That is what made him more broken. He also had way more air control over it. Ike and Cloud can still do the same, killing the enemy before them, but they don't have as much control on the enemy as Chrom ever did

[@pencilscratch6825]

I think you are using the word game design very liberally

[@DangOlZane]

"don't get me wrong, I play Mii Brawler" might be one of my favorite sentences I've ever heard.

[@Yaliso]

10:30 Ah memories. I remember breaking lots of shields with that and overall pissing off my friends with my miis

[@OctolinkG]

5:40 Space Cruise is such a vibe I didn’t expect it here but I love it!

[@adamkampen]

My favourite vanilla prepatch thing will always be Wectoring, not nearly as oppressive or useful as the things mentioned in the video bit it was so silly and I loved seeing Wario get shot across the screen with sudden momentum

[@AleXCD74]

"I just don't think that in any fighting game you should be able to make comebacks that quickly and just steal the game" Capcom: *laughs in V trigger*

[@michaelvisosky743]

I feel like by technicality this is all horrible game balance as opposed to horrible game design, but I digress.

[@notchris4764]

Just not gonna talk about pichu's hurtboxes.

[@moki4895]

2:35 Melee Jigglypuff be like: 😬

[@aqualacerta3961]

9:28 so basically: samus was able to do what sephiroth can but it was less broken since you needed to be more precise to get the "pratically fully charged neutral B but not quite fully charged so you get just enough less endlag to do a tilt attack and break a shield" and she doesn't have any 0-death move to use after the shieldbreak either

[@ChunkyDogWater]

I miss vanilla chrom for speedrunning world of light

[@ZxybzzYT]

I've been binge watching your videos and I really enjoy your content. You've got a new sub

[@tomasestebanrojaslaluz1688]

Lets not forget 1.0.0 King K Rool could just yeet you out of frame using up b :/

[@PrettyKoolCrocodile]

Heh

[@ballisticboo7808]

Up throw up b. The memories of when people thought K Rool was top tier

[@tomasestebanrojaslaluz1688]

@@ballisticboo7808 up throw was true combo?

[@ballisticboo7808]

@@tomasestebanrojaslaluz1688 no but it caught a lot of people

[@PrettyKoolCrocodile]

@@ballisticboo7808 Man that era was something

[@shorterthanaverage5183]

Daily reminder that Cloudcide works the way everyone thought Chrom’s would. Cloud dies first except when he doesn’t.

[@leveltoo4838]

I like to think that behind the scenes, Chrom was overexcited about making it into Ultimate after just missing the cut for Smash4, like a gym class tryhard lol

[@leveltoo4838]

Coming from a former gym class tryhard myself 😬

[@MarkSchmidtTheRecoverySystem]

I'm actually just glad I'm not the only one who called it Chromikaze.

[@hugeculo]

“A character shouldn’t have a comeback so easy” (about Chrom) *Wario mains*: “right, so bad”:

[@theiceman4494]

Hero: starts whistling nervously

[@Latias38]

@@theiceman4494 Sephiroth: I'll never be a memory

[@lugismansion2400]

Ike mains, “are you sure about that?”

[@orangenostril]

Half the characters in ultimate have op comeback mechanics lol I feel like that was one of the center design points when they made the game

[@inplane9970]

What makes the statement even more ironic is how they showed a clip of Wario v. Chrom, displaying Wario's revolting edge-guard options that involves 2 button sequences.

[@francoisturcotte3982]

A move I miss from vanila Ult was mew2 dash attack. It was safe on shield and cross up opponent....sweet lol

[@WhyDo]

wtf, I've never heard of this before. Such a random change to a character they later buffed... I'm just confused LOL. Thanks for the comment, def gonna mention this in a future video.

[@francoisturcotte3982]

@@WhyDo don't quote me on that but i think it was even a combo starter because of the angle ot launched or maybe it killed earlier. Anywag wort labbing and checking what changed exactly. Looking forward to see this!

[@connormcnulty6377]

I remember my first time playing Smash Ultimate. I almost won a match playing on a friend's Switch with Ridley for the first time. They switched to Chrom and mid-icided me three times. Sadly, Sakurai didn't seem to be interested in just removing Chrom.

[@thundercharged1]

At least Meta Knight's ladder is moderately difficult to pull off in a match

[@adamskvorak6865]

*holds shield for 3 seconds* - “boom instant shield break”

[@alicedual-swordlesbian5251]

19:14 i just want you to know that right after you said “instant death!” my youtube app crashed

[@mohamedbelbaali659]

Man I love your music taste

[@reilly5005]

2:35 no one tell him about Marvel 3

[@JesusChrist-qs2mc]

0:25 it’s simple the CPU is playing as donkey Kong, he has a losing matchup against everyone

[@carlosmultimedia]

this could have been a lot shorter

[@burnerffx]

😬😬

[@AlexCreed]

I can feel the anger and flashbacks every silent pause you make in this video

[@wollins7244]

Kazuya and Steve making everything you said about Chrom and Ivysaur HILARIOUS. Literally the pinnacle of dog shit game design

[@mythoughtsexactly2145]

You know what I miss most about early Ultimate? The brutal CPUs. I hate and love them

[@lucaslennan3356]

When you played against Chrom you played with one less stock than him.

[@TopOfAllWorlds]

Am chrom main. Can confirm

[@TheWeegee112]

Hi! Professional Duck Hunt here. It’s true, Clay Pigeon was horrifying in 1.0.0. Granted, as of right now, getting grounded chains on characters like Bowser at percents from 30 is still true. What made things much more insane back then was that not only were CP combos pretty much incredibly stellar across the board, but on some characters you could actually chain the opponent to one ledge, and then run behind in time to chain them to the opposite ledge. It was wonderful. Feel free to check out the Duck Hunt Discord! We’re active as hell, and we like to look over character matchups and crazy tech, among other things.

[@nolanj.3897]

Is that the actual Wisdom?

[@echowhosthis]

duck hunt rly said: *“ZA WARUDO”*

[@athenacapablanca3118]

Vanilla Ken was horribly designed but not in a way that led to wins lmao

[@prblmsideb2511]

Please do the robble wobble, iirc it was dtilt, jab 1, repeat. I was never able to do it because I picked up rob to late lmao

[@WhyDo]

YOOOO I forgot about the Robble!!! I think that specifically worked on only one version, I'll try to get it working because it's hilarious

[@Luisinuay]

vanilla inkling's roller was liked being buried forever, at 0% hahaha

[@lasercraft32]

In Sakurai's defense, he puts a lot of work into his games. And those kinds of things would be hard to notice without a lot of high level competitive play to test things out (also, that's what patches are for, to fix unexpected issues).

[@sigurdtheblue]

Sakurai is probably not why Smash was good.

[@rayurbae6964]

My shield still has scars after this video

[@rayurbae6964]

@cam pig yeh

[@H.yeon_su]

What if there was a character literally created to gimmick the opponent with a crap ton of shield breaking moves but bad shield break options.

[@runaway74]

I love this

[@theiceman4494]

pain

[@samuelkalkman9388]

I see my man continues to share my music taste with the ftl soundtrack

[@WhyDo]

It's one of my favorite single player games ever, I have a good 100 hours in it! It's been a while though & I've heard there are some great mods, I should go back sometime.

[@Swordfish_]

I was there when hungry box had had a crab thrown at him during pound 2019, But all I remember from that night was smash ultimate top eight being literally nothing but olimars and snakes. Pound 2019 happens the weekend 1.1 came out so they played on the older patch. It was a mistake..

[@WhyDo]

I knew about both those things individually, but it totally didn't register in my head that they were at the same event. Must've been one hell of a weekend 😂

[@Swordfish_]

@@WhyDo That was my first super major and mew2king walked up to us and asked for friendly I was pretty sick weekend 🤟.

[@orionthehunter55]

I see you with the Ben Prunty BGM, Chromatic T Rex kicks ass

[@landonharris7480]

WhyDo upload let's freaking GO

[@BladesDMaeve]

"Now I'm willing to bet most of you don't play Duck Hunt" Guess I'm not most people

[@bluprintdhd4569]

Multi Pigeon chains still exists, definitely harder but most of the cast gets hit by 3 at least, and heavies still can be chained across the stage into things like f smash even

[@jeffjeff2181]

True but it’s much harder now and it’s possible to DI out.

[@GumshoeGamer]

I know it’s an old vid but I thank this game for making my boy ROB a top tier

[@takarijbartleby]

Would you cover vanilla glitches or lab to see if glitches from future patches exist in the vanilla build? Shulk in vanilla Ult had a glitch where if his Monado Arts deactivated during a cinematic Final Smash he'd end up with every Art active at once. I also wonder if the Ridley side special T-posing glitch, alongside a plethora of others, will work in 1.0.0.

[@WhyDo]

The next video is mostly gonna focus on competitive glitches and jank, but it might be fun to go over all the wackiest glitches in general. Some of them are just too funny not to cover!

[@zackolot]

A good thing to know about hitlag is high hitlag on non-projectiles is a bad thing, since it makes your trades with projectiles worse, whereas high hitlag on projectiles is always a good thing because it makes your frame advantage better. Hitlag is what makes shotput more than just an edgeguard tool, since it locks them in shield and combos into your other moves.

[@zackolot]

Also shotouts to shoutput for not getting the blanket projectile nerf almost everyone else got.