The Baptism Battle: Exploring Credo vs Paedobaptism with Dr. Stephen Wellum

[@Kimberley-u8j]

Romans 6 refers to being buried with Him in baptism signifying our sinful death that we may come out of the water with a newness of life.

[@Liminalplace1]

You need to remember that burial in Israel and the burial Jesus had WASN'T under ground. It was in a cut tomb.. somewhat level with the ground. . So going down into the water isn't a sign, symbol of our burial like we bury people today

[@Kimberley-u8j]

@@Liminalplace1 of course I understand that how is that relevant to what scripture says?

[@Liminalplace1]

@@Kimberley-u8j if scripture says "We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, " it doesn't mean the going down into the water is a burial, since Jesus wasn't buried "down". Symbolism of it doesn't fit.

[@Kimberley-u8j]

🙄Romans 6:4-6 (KJV) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

[@Liminalplace1]

@@Kimberley-u8j .it's the idea of "participation" . What happened to Christ happened to us. ..he was crucified buried and raised we were crucified and buried and we assuredly shall be raised bodily. NOTE: Nothing of symbolism in us being immersed in water and coming out, there NO cross in the water, no burial in the ground (its in a tomb) and we await resurrection in body because we are joined to him. But in between the times we live a new life. The symbolism of immersion into water and coming out to a new lifer is based upon an active modern imagination NOT scripture . The Dutch Reformed theologian Herman Ridderbos details that in his book "Paul". (1975) Hope that helps

[@YoungGenevanZoomer]

As a Reformed Baptist. Baptism Saves!

[@chuckthompson5724]

Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The Jesus himself in the Great Commission Matt. 28:19-20 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

[@trustthevorlon]

Title seems a bit off here, this really wasn’t so much a battle as it was an echo chamber discussion of credobaptism. Which is fine if that’s what you’re actually discussing but again title seems off. Was hoping to see a more rounded discussion with more push back and representation from the other side.

[@jeremy144713]

Agreed! I came in wanting a debate and got an echo chamber. I believe in credo but I’m fine with people doing infant baptism as a “dedication” but I still believe it’s wise that when that baby grows up they should make that public confession again.

[@LaymanBibleLounge]

Can’t wait to dig into this!

[@robertlotzer7627]

The problem with the historical argument and Reformed Paedobaptism is there is absolutely no 1:1 correspondence. What the church fathers argued for was/is not what the Reformed are arguing for. This is comparing apples and oranges.

[@austinbodiford6360]

Gotta love that thumbnail 😂 "bishop with the sidewalk slam, into full submersion"

[@rocketmanshawn]

Steven Curtis Chapman lyrics

[@A.Carlson-ib6ct]

Permit the children to come to Me; do not hinder them; for the kingdom of God belongs to them. Mark 10:14

[@williamwhite6502]

There is nothing wrong with doing a water baptism for infants, just the child should also do so when they are willing and choosing to do so, because GOD wants us to choose HIM willingly, not just having a sprinkling of water, but a full immersion under the water into being reborn into the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

[@th-bi2vb]

Hi this is Tina from Celina Ohio. I watch your program all the time and recently found you and it’s great. It helps so much I’m particularly interested in this today because my daughter has informed me she’s going to be baptized at the Catholic Church because her boyfriend is Catholic and she’s doing it basicallybecause it will help her get a job in a Catholic school. I’m heartbroken. Please speak to this if you have any advice, I would be open to anything books, teachers prayer, etc.. I hope this text makes sense because I’m using my recorder. Thank you so much.

[@littleboots9800]

I understand being upset if she is not actually serious about her faith and is only doing this to get a job because that's terrible, but otherwise why be upset? She's being baptised into the Christian faith, I'd be over the moon if my daughter chose to get baptised in any Christian denomination, (as long is it wasn't for some personal gain instead of real faith.) Its one of my greatest hopes.

[@LightAndDarknessMeet]

More information is needed. You should seek local counsel

[@Amadeus12345-y]

I enjoy your show. Uncover your heads when prophesying or praying. Peace.

[@leapofberen]

🤠 🙏

[@redemmingthetime]

This question opened a door of false teachings when I was at an independent fundamental Baptist Church " why did Jesus really get baptized by John?" When I studied I saw the Spirit of God, the Holy Spirit. What would happen inwardly after the Ascension of Christ then we see Act. 2 but then as you follow it being crucified with Christ , denial of the flesh and to walk in the Spirit, to which I saw a correlation to the Abraham convent of circumcision a physical cutting of of the flesh as a shadow of the new testament covenant of denying the flesh by the power of the Holy Spirit. There is so much more meat to this. The IFB church is a denomination that doesn't even agree with the southern Baptist church and there is a high emphasis on church member ship alone. And as he was explaining you'd have to be re-baptized because a nother denomination baptism wasn't biblical or real. Although I was baptized and saved in a Assemblies of God church I married into the IFB church and had to be re baptized to be a member. Now I'm in a non denomination church after 5 years and the Holy Spirit is my best friend!

[@shawngillogly6873]

Always a pleasure to hear Dr. Wellum. I have been convinced by Progressive Covenantalism as well. (Though I would say the actual difference between it and 1689 Federalism is driven primarily by their respective dialogue partners.) Also, Michael, you really need to get his Systematic. Aside from being based on PD, it's the 1st major ST I've read that's seriously responded to deconstructionism.

[@saludanite]

Galatians 3.26-29; That's ALSO in Galatians, unless you missed it when you were reviewing your proof-texts backpack for your day! What a mouthful!

[@Kimberley-u8j]

In Acts 19 believers were REBAPTIZED who asked that very question about whether they should be baptized again and it was done in the Name of JESUS CHRIST according to Acts 2:38 as Chuck mentioned to expound..

[@shawngillogly6873]

Acts 19 is a unique case. They had received the baptism of John. *Not* NT baptism.

[@Kimberley-u8j]

Or that had been baptized as an infant or a child who had not repented or professed faith yet?

[@shawngillogly6873]

@user-fw9le6xw4i In the case of paedobaptism, correct. In the case of later doubting of salvation, that would require case-by-case examination. I've known people who simply could never accept that Christ's work was finished, and asked for baptism again, and again, and again. That should not be a case of rebaptism. But legitimate backsliding for decades? Perhaps.

[@katrinakopaczewski1696]

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[@michaelmiller5024]

Thanks for bringing this to our attention, I've forwarded it to the team at Overcomers Journal, and they’re looking into it now!

[@katrinakopaczewski1696]

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[@Benjamin-rp4hq]

Refusing membership to the hypothetical presbyterian brother seems to be based on tradition not Scripture. I can't think of any scripture that denies church membership to a genuine Christian that has a different understanding of baptism.

[@markdurdle7710]

I go to a baptist church and have actually expierenced something similar to this. The person, after being taken through scripture did agree that it was right to be baptised as a believer. So got baptised and did become a member. Now, many years later, they are a baptist pastor leading another church.

[@Benjamin-rp4hq]

@@markdurdle7710 awesome. I actually agree with baptism as it's presented here and I think it's totally appropriate for a pastor to walk someone thru the Scripture on the topic. But I think it's unbiblical and based on traditional denominational practice to deny church membership to someone that you accept as being a fellow believer just because they hold a different scriptural understanding of baptism application. If the person isn't divisive on the issue then I don't think there is biblical ground to deny church membership.

[@Liminalplace1]

His explanation of the Church Fathers was particularly weak. Gavin Ortuland gives a better case Although i thinnk fhe best position was given by many years by Karl Barth. Ie. Accept infant baptism as a valid baptism but call for a momertortium on baptizing infants. That leads to greater unity. Josh asked the best question of this episode. "Would you accept into menbership of your church a believer had been baptized as an infant and didnt want to get immersed as an adult believer?" Im glad an honest answer was given

[@zacdredge3859]

Did you mean moratorium? Otherwise genuinely curious what the word means and to hear more of Barth's view...

[@Liminalplace1]

@@zacdredge3859 I believe Gavin has read Barth on Baptism but he didn't seem to get it. I don't know if he's read the same booklet of Barth's that I have. In summary Barth argued from scripture that there was only ONE baptism and to repeat only brought confusion or worse. But since the power of the baptism was in the words of Christ pronounced over the baptized (in the name of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit) and not in the faith of the recipient once a person has been baptized it cannot be repeated. But then he demonstrates from scripture that the Apostles practice was only to baptize upon profession of faith. That the New Testament did not support the later practice of infant baptism. To solve the disjunction Barth advocated that church stop to baptize infants (moratorium ). Until the Apostolic practice was renewed. He believed this action would be a cause for unity amongst churches. My own assessment is that it's the only way forward. And the Baptist view places too much in the faith of the recipient and logically leads to a number of baptisms when someone doubts their faith.. something never seen in the NT.

[@Burberryharry]

guys what hecking denomination should I be apart of

[@TheRemnantRadio]

It's difficult, but try to find a church that is grounded in both Word & Spirit. We don't know these churches personally, but you may want to check out those associated with the Convergence Church Network: www.convergencechurchnetwork.com/network-churches - More churches will be added in the future.

[@joshuas1834]

I've studied denominations a fair bit. I could tell you who you are most closely aligned with if you are willing to divulge your stances on some issues. 1. Are you calvinistic in your soteriology or not. 2. (A)Is Baptism a means of grace or just a symbolic act. (B) Is it for infants or only those old enough to confess. 3. What do you think about the Gifts of the Spirit? Are they still For today or have they ceased? That should whittle it down a bit and if we need to we can have follow-up questions about more specific stuff. God bless you.

[@Kimberley-u8j]

I agree with both for the ending question..

[@BrendaBoykin-qz5dj]

Thank you, Gentlemen 🌹⭐🌹⭐🌹⭐

[@Kimberley-u8j]

In John 3 Nicodemus went to Jesus in the night time not to be seen by the others and Jesus told him You must be born again of the water and the spirit.

[@keithp8357]

Can anyone recommend a charismatic church in the Houston area?

[@balung]

The hypocrisy of Hillsong here in Australia is overwhelming when it comes to water Baptism, they say Catholic Baby Waterbaptism is not biblical, but every month at Hillsong Norwest they have a child / baby dedication Service.

[@markdurdle7710]

I suspect that is the prevailing practice for most Protestant churches (at least it is at the ones I have been to). Dedication is not the same as baptism.

[@geneanuts]

Infant dedication is scriptural. It doesn't involve water.

[@balung]

​@@geneanutsWhere is the chapter and verse for Infant Dedications?

[@alphaome]

Dedication is found in scriptures such as Samuel, samson, etc. it is the heart expression of the parents for the child towards God. No proof text required. You can dedicate anything you want Baptism on the other hand is personal commitment. Nobody should force you to do it

[@Dan-qh2fv]

⁠@@alphaomeSamuel and Samson were special cases. Samson was promised to be a Nazerite and Hannah promised to give Samuel to the Lord. When Samuel was older Hannah gave him entirely to the priests. He no longer lived with his parents. Samuel had siblings and they weren’t dedicated. Modern day dedications are not the same.

[@lancepalser-cw9ni]

Old Testament practice of circumcision is linked with the New Testament sacrament of baptism. Colossians 2:11-12 (ESV): "In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with him in baptism, in which you are also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead." The Concept of Circumcision and Baptism: Circumcision in the Old Testament was a physical sign of being set apart to God, an identity marker for the people of Israel (Genesis 17:10-11). Paul reinterprets this practice in Colossians 2:11, introducing the idea of a spiritual circumcision "made without hands." This signifies a cutting away of the sinful nature through Christ's sacrifice, not through physical means. Baptism as Spiritual Circumcision: Baptism is likened to this "circumcision made without hands." It symbolizes the believer’s complete identification with the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. This sacrament is a public declaration of faith and an outward sign of inward grace. It marks the believer's transition from death to life, mirroring how circumcision marked the entrance into the covenant community of Israel. Theological Implications of Colossians 2:11-12: Paul emphasizes that these actions are accomplished "in Him," that is, in Christ. This underscores that it is only through Jesus' work on the cross that we are spiritually regenerated, not through any merit of our own. The passage connects deeply to the doctrine of union with Christ. Just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too are raised with Him through our faith in the power of God. Practical Applications: Understanding baptism as a continuation and fulfillment of Old Testament circumcision helps us appreciate the continuity of God’s covenant promises. As baptized believers, our challenge is to live out this new identity in Christ-walking in newness of life, just as we symbolically died and were raised with Him through baptism. Discussion and Reflection: How does recognizing baptism as spiritual circumcision impact your understanding of your faith? In what ways can we practically "put off the body of the flesh" as mentioned in Colossians 2:11, living out our new, circumcised hearts? Conclusion: Colossians 2:11-12 invites us to view baptism not just as a ritual obligation but as a powerful, transformative union with Christ. It marks not only our faith but our rebirth into a life dominated by the Spirit's power, echoing the physical sign of circumcision with a profound spiritual reality. Let's carry this identity into our daily lives, fully embracing the new life Christ has given us through His death and resurrection. Colossians 2:11-12 is critically important for us to understand because it helps bridge the Old and New Testament understandings of what it means to belong to God's people. This passage teaches us about the nature of the true spiritual transformation that comes through faith in Christ, as opposed to adhering to physical rites alone. Firstly, the passage shows us that the rites of the Old Testament, such as circumcision, were a shadow of what was to come in Christ. In Christ, these physical rites are transformed into spiritual realities. For instance, physical circumcision is replaced by what Paul calls the 'circumcision made without hands.' This refers to a spiritual circumcision of the heart, where our sinful natures are cut away when we come to faith in Christ. This is essential because it shifts the focus from external compliance to internal transformation. Secondly, Colossians 2:11-12 is foundational for understanding baptism properly. Baptism is not just a ritual or a traditional ceremony; it's a powerful spiritual act that mirrors this 'circumcision made without hands.' It signifies our total immersion into the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus. This baptism is what unites us with Christ, raising us to new life with Him through faith in God’s powerful working, who raised Him from the dead. Furthermore, knowing this strengthens our Christian identity. It affirms that our salvation and new life are solely works of God’s grace and power, not of our own doing. It reassures us that in baptism, we are not just going through a religious motion but are experiencing a profound transformation that redefines our very existence. Thus, understanding Colossians 2:11-12 helps prevent misconceptions about Christian practices like circumcision and baptism. It ensures that we uphold the truth of the Gospel - that salvation is by grace through faith, not by works so that no one can boast. It's about what God has done, not about what we do." By focusing on the spiritual implications of traditional physical rites, I point out the the continuity and fulfillment of God's promises through Christ, emphasizing how crucial it is for believers to grasp these truths for robust theological understanding and living out their faith authentically

[@leapofberen]

Also Protestants and Evangelicals: “I mean, if you get baptized as an infant it’s not a big deal, but it also doesnt really mean anything. It’s a misreading of the text and they just aren’t following scripture, but it’s really just harmless. Now, what you SHOULD do is get baptized once you are older. Once you have repented. Thats what matters and that means something. But we need to be careful because…[plot twist] does it actually matter…? not really actually. Because it’s mostly symbolic. But it IS seminal because it’s your testimony that you have come into union with Christ. But also, we must be careful…because if you convert and DON’T get baptized, again, it’s really not a big deal…because it doesnt bring about regeneration. But you should get baptized when you are older. However, we WILL die on the argument that the higher traditions should not baptize their infants because it doesnt mean anything.” OMG 😭😅 🔄🔄🔄

[@shaunbutler238]

People will use every scripture they can to avoid the obvious teaching of scripture. At some point we must read and DO what the book says instead of explaining it away.

[@pmfeghali]

Best thumbnail ever

[@claybrackeen8798]

Terrible and offensive.

[@pmfeghali]

@@claybrackeen8798 I see how it could be offensive!

[@joshuas1834]

Could you guys have on someone from the restoration movement (preferably the independent Christian churches) to talk about baptism. The guys from the after class podcast are great and our friends with John Mark Hicks who you've had on a couple times.

[@Jasmineocreates]

I never realized how much Baptist and adventists share similar theology … and I grew up Baptist 😅. Kudos to you guys for not reacting on the membership and baptism answer… I’ve had that same conversation with my Adventist friends and they gave the same answer and I think it’s so off and divisive… but I don’t know how to explain that to them biblically just logically and that doesn’t stand 😅

[@Robust2013]

Born out of water and of spirit, not for babies but for repentees. Elephant in the room. Hard truth for the baptist and pentecostals.

[@MrRomanweb]

Thumbnail had me at hello

[@James-v1o]

The symbolic view leads away from itself. If baptism is a symbol of the Christian's union with Christ (Rom 6) and by extension their union with His death burial and resurrection, then water baptism communicates the Gospel. When we are united by faith to Christ, his death is counted as our death, his burial our burial, His resurrection for justification ours as well. Baptism is pure Gospel. Now, even if you say baptism symbolizes the Gospel we are right back to the reformation's echoing St Augustine's beautiful expression that the sacraments are the "visible word". And in the case of baptism, it isn't t any 'old word (i.e. not the 10 commandments) but the Gospel. Wherever the Gospel is communicated, which requires symbols to do so: sounds, written text, braille, sign language, or the sacraments, there God has promised to be pounding away at the human heart, working faith. A symbolic view still leads to the conclusion that baptism is more than a symbol.

[@lisabieber3914]

Can you address baptism of infants out of fear if their infants die. Then the fear is the baby will go to hell

[@fernandoperez8587]

Just do it. There is no downside mentioned in scripture. Unlike the Lord's Supper where there definitely is a downside if taken unworthily.

[@bleachissweet1]

​@@fernandoperez8587 🤣🤣🤣 Is this the religion of Nike??

[@TempleofChristMinistries]

Everytime someone talks about baptism they fail to understand there is two baptisms going on here, the repentance baptism by water and the other baptism by Christ the Holy Spirit, when Peter said, come and be baptised he's talking of the Holy Spirit here not just water, because if you're not baptised by the Holy Spirit you do not belong to Christ you are not the regenerated, if you do not have the spirit of Christ within you you do not belong to the Christ as it is written, the reason why Peter could baptize with the holy spirit and the other disciples and Paul also was for the fact that they were born of the spirit they were already baptised by the spirit, spirit gives birth to Spirit, if a Preacher Man is Not born of the spirit then he cannot baptize by the power of the spirit because he possesses it not, this is why there are so many Christians today who were baptised by water but they failed to be baptised by the spirit, because the preacher man possesses it not, how many Preacher Men tell you that you belong to the christ now you are baptised now the spirit is with you and this is all a lie, they are in grave error, this is why so many people fail continuously, this is why those who walk with the Christ for many years and then fall away, they were never baptised with the spirit in the first place.

[@jmh7977]

Tradition is important to God. His Word is replete with His commands to adhere to certain traditions (though as we see with the Pharisees and Saducees, they twisted what they wished). Christians, like non-Christians outside of Christian beliefs, tend to gravitate towards extremes, both extremes being utterly wrong and wrong-headed. Tradition IS important but it will never trump the authority of Holy Scripture; however, as His Word attests, they ought to compliment the other in how the Church (the universal priesthood of believers) functions and operates here on Earth as it does in Heaven. That said, the first interpretations from the original Apostles to their students (the Early Church Fathers) are that of baptismal regeneration. This was an unchallenged doctrine seriously until the Radical Reformation, as championed by the Anabaptists. Suffice it to say, in comparison, credobaptism is a novel doctrine divorced from practice and tradition since the time of Christ on Earth, His Earthly ministry, and the teachings of the original Apostles. If you want to come as close as possible to what Jesus taught and how His Apostles interpretated and taught it, you conclude with an obvious view of baptismal regeneration. If, instead, you choose to place one's own reason a la Enlightenment thinking before the Holy Scripture as it stands on its own, you will reach a credobaptist doctrine. So are we called to rely on our own understanding? Or are we called to believe His Word as it stands? His Word, in fact, professes the latter. Lutherans have not, in fact, struggled with this doctrine historically. Where then do you place your faith? Your own understanding or Scripture as read plainly? As we are called to die to ourselves, the answer is obvious to the spiritually discerning Christian. To the Rationalist Christian? You enter the wide and ambiguous world of mere metaphor, where man's understanding becomes an authority to rival Holy Scripture itself.

[@listministries]

Dedication ≠ baptism of repentance. One is the parents / guardians devoted a child to Gold, while the other is a person themselves declaring publicly their repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. Confusing the two is error and false teaching.

[@geneanuts]

Believer's baptism, child dedication. Many will say they know their child will go to heaven because they were baptized as a baby. Also vacation Bible School. When Holy Spirit comes in, He changes. No change?🤷🙏

[@jaredarnold9139]

It seems like the argument between clear NT teaching vs some church's traditions. In my opinion, NT teaching wins EVERY time!

[@PepeLeFunk]

Funny: the Bible was what convinced me of Infant Baptism.

[@fernandoperez8587]

​@@PepeLeFunk Me too. I used to hold the evangelical/Baptist view but scripture has convinced me that baptism saves adults and infants. Also, that Christ is spiritually present in the bread and wine of the Lord's Supper.

[@TJ_Loves2fish]

I would expect that many believers on both sides of the baptism disagreement would believe they are practicing what the Bible teaches. Otherwise, they would change their practice. I believe we do our brothers and sisters a disservice if we assume they have just neglected to look into the matter or that they have deliberately chosen tradition over Biblical teaching. This channel/podcast has gone a long way in humbling me when it comes to assuming that I'm completely right about all the particulars of Scritpure.

[@rebeccamatteson9643]

Interesting conversation. I grew up with parents who were (and still are) paedobaptist (Presbyterian/Reformed. I became convinced of credo baptism as a teen. At the same time, I don’t see any reason a child who shows evidence of saving faith should not be baptized. My kids all were baptized as soon as they could swim with their head under water (age 7-8) because they were showing evidence of saving faith and filling with the Spirit.

[@tammaree1889]

Wow that is beautiful ❤ I

[@landonmeador2197]

The cover photo for this one is legit.

[@timothydeyoung5653]

Pastor at my last church claimed the Holy Spirit comes upon you in infant baptism

[@Jedidiah_music]

The Holy Spirit is Omni-present. However He takes his residence when we are regenerated by being born again. That’s Scripture- I simply don’t know how baptismal regeneration continues to be a view point when we clearly have the repent, believe and be baptized formula all within the New Testament.

[@alphaome]

The spirit resides the moment we receive Jesus. A baby has no capacity to believe: But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, John 1:12

[@saludanite]

Why didn't Joseph baptize Jesus as a child? Why did Jesus seek out John as an adult? Are you "sitting under" preachers that don't know anything except what their ignorant teachers taught them? Do you follow Catholic or Reformed doctrines that contradict the very words of Jesus, and then give rationalized excuses for themselves? Do you think you will ever be held personally accountable for your beliefs? Well?

[@TheRemnantRadio]

Just curious if you watched the show?

[@saludanite]

@@TheRemnantRadio Yes! It was great! I love the depth of the guests you have.

[@fernandoperez8587]

A little push back: 1) Where is baptism called a sign? It's only like circumcision in that it does away with the flesh, but in the New Covenant sense that the flesh is our sinful nature. In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, - Colossians 2:11 2) It's more than identifying with Christ death, burial and resurrection but an actual spiritual death, burial and resurrection done to us by God. "We are buried" is passive. It's a death, a killing of us. We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, - Romans 6:4 3) Nothing is received apart from faith. Infants have the faith that saves. Truly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child [infants included a few verses before] shall not enter it.” - Luke 18:17 It's by baptism that we enter the Kingdom of God/Christ (John 3:3-5) like how baptism places us into Christ. Even invoking the name of the Son in baptism baptizes us into Christ, into the Church. 4) How can one be in the New Covenant and not save? The blood of Christ applied to us puts us in the New Covenant. His blood justifies period. 5) If baptism baptizes you into Christ then it saves and regenerates. For all the promises of God find their Yes in him. That is why it is through Him [Christ] that we utter our Amen to God for his glory. - 2 Corinthians 1:20 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. - 2 Corinthians 5:17 6) Faith is the key to the promise, the grace and gift of God. We are not saved by faith, but grace accessed by faith. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, - Ephesians 2:8 Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God. - Romans 5:2 There are promises attached to baptism (John 3:3-5, Matthew 28:19) and the Lord's Supper (Matthew 26:26-28, John 6:51-58). I would add the promise of Holy Spirit to this list The waters of baptism like the bread and wine of communion are means of receiving God's grace only access through faith. Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith in God [the Father], instruction about baptisms [into Christ calling on His name], the laying on of hands [Receive the Holy Spirit], the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. - Hebrews 6:1-2 Salvation is a process by and with the Triune God. Even the Holy Spirit is given by the laying on of hands and those who don't have the Holy Spirit is not of God (Roamns 8:9). We must have faith to repent, to effectively be baptized receiving the forgiveness of sins and to receive the Holy Spirit. Its all passive. All we do is not resist God in the gospel message, allow ourselves to be baptized and allow ourselves to have hands laid on us. It is by faith we cooperate with God's calling and promises. I'm glad that these guys still stress the importance of baptism and the Lord's Supper. That's a win.

[@jmh7977]

Wonderful exposition, brother. 100%

[@claybrackeen8798]

The title picture is terrible and, in my opinion vulgar and offensive. This portrayal of baptism by immersion is almost sacrilegious, in my opinion.

[@BobbyU808]

the theologian’s approach to understanding scripture is akin to the academician’s approach to life: comfortably ensconced in his ivory tower, he interprets scripture through the sterile lens of thoughts and ideas, of shapes and forms, “but the substance is of christ.” he can expound on the holy scriptures but experiences them only in the cozy confines of his mind. what truly matters when it comes to the handling of god's word in all its myriad forms is the fruit that it produces, for “if anyone builds on this foundation (jesus, logos) with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each one’s work will become clear; for the day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. if anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. if anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.” if a man adopts an academic approach to god's word - *_and rigidly adheres to it_* - he will end up despising those who are poor in spirit, like academicians who cast looks of aspersion on the real-life experiences of the downtrodden. in the words of our lord, they “strain out a gnat yet swallow a camel.” the law, although good and profitable, is unable to make a single man righteous for no man, save our lord and savior, is able to fulfill the righteous requirement of the law, “for whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.” but the righteous requirement of the law is fulfilled in us who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit as there is “now no condemnation to those who are in christ jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the spirit. for the law of the spirit of life in christ jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. for what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, god did by sending his own son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: he condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the spirit. for those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the spirit, the things of the spirit. for to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.” and so as we study god’s word, let us keep in mind that the word of god is not engraved on tablets of stone but written on the fleshly tablets of our hearts, “for the word of god is living and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.” maranatha

[@mario.migneault]

Water regeneration is spooky. born from above. ❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@studiodemichel]

Baptism is a "sign?" I never read that in the New Testament. But, go on...

[@LightAndDarknessMeet]

That thumbnail tho

[@TheRemnantRadio]

Glad you liked it LOL

[@claybrackeen8798]

Love the show. Hated the thumbnail.

[@LightAndDarknessMeet]

@@claybrackeen8798 what is better than a presbyter wrestling a man into the baptismal?

[@tk-tc8mm]

The AI thumbnails are very bad. All your previous thumbnails befor AI were much better.

[@jamesbertram7925]

WHY DO YOU NOT LISTRN TO GOD MANIFEST IN THE FLESH IN JOHN CHAPTER 8V37--58 THEY WERE ABRAHAM'S BY BIRTH BUT NOT BY BEHAVIOUR, , AND WORSE BY THEIR BEHAVIOUR THEY WERE MANIFESTING THAT THE WERE THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL, , IT IS BY OUR LOVE AND OUR LIKENESS TO GOD'S SON THAT IS THE TEST OF OF ALL OUTWARD OBSERVANCIES

[@jasminestreet2418]

I’m so glad when STEPHEN doesn’t wear a hat. When he wears his hats, he reminds me of Chris Watts.

[@laurens8623]

Just partners with HS not in crime

[@IMAGINENGINE]

Your show was much better back 3 years ago when you were working alone, and weren’t all trying to be funny. You’re rarely funny. It’s a distraction to the call.