The Batman SPOILER REVIEW!

Tiff and Sal review the new Matt Reeves THE BATMAN review! #thebatman
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[@SkylightCiel]

This is the first Batman movie that legitimately made me feel exactly how a comic would. He looked and felt like Batman. A large part of the Batman experience for me is the mythos and Iconography of the character. This is the first time I felt that in one of these movies he looked like Batman and he was shot like a comic character. This is kind of silly but I left the theater genuinely feeling like I wanted to be this version of Batman and that's something only the cartoons, video games, and comics have made me feel. It was awesome to have a live action Batman that felt like that. Every single incarnation before this, even when they were good, had to make compromises in order to adhere to certain visions that I don't necessarily like. This Batman was just incredible.

[@Damon.]

I hope Superman gets a director as passionate about him as Matt Reeves is with Batman.

[@CharZy-y8v]

I think that this universe shouldn’t be too “realistic” like the Nolanverse. There definitely should be realistic elements like the gadgets or his suits, but not be afraid of things like Clayface or Man-Bat. Nolan seemed to be too afraid of that and it harmed his films, whereas Reeves might embrace it and make it feel grounded and real. As long as he can make it feel believable then that’s all that matters.

[@joshheralal8758]

Exactly. Add fantastical elements while still keeping the serious tone.

[@CharZy-y8v]

@@joshheralal8758 It would be a neat contrast to see Batman rooted in realism facing off against something not in our world.

[@mttylerdurden9]

I have to disagree. Nolan keeping out fantastical elements like clayface or man bat didn't hurt his films. If anything it makes Nolan's films stand on their own. It shows that take stay true to a character and still be your own thing

[@CharZy-y8v]

@@mttylerdurden9 You do have a point there, they did make it their own. I’ll agree with you on that.

[@kd7100]

@@mttylerdurden9 I wouldn’t say that it made them stand out on their own; the exact opposite actually. There’s never been villains like that done in a live action Batman movie- it’s always been less supernatural characters. Joker had already been done twice, with both Jack Nicholson and Caesar Romero, Penguin, Riddler, Two-Face, etc etc as well, so not exactly outrageous, impossible villains, such as, Man Bat or Clayface. And that’s not to say his movies are bad, they’re not my favorite, although I really did enjoy Batman Begins, but again, even Ra’s Al Ghul isn’t THAT over the top, mainly because there was obviously no Lazarus Lit and that sort of thing. Although it could be argued that Batman & Robin’s villains were fantastical by comparison, albeit absolutely ridiculous nonsense. I’d definitely love to see villains like Clayface and Manbat adapted though- Ben Affleck’s Batman was the best chance we had for seeing things that, but obviously, his solo movie(s), unfortunately never came to fruition.

[@scoobers90]

Sitting in the theater I said to myself "This is gonna be a slow burner for me." And that's true, the more I think about the movie the more I fall in love with it. I can't wait to see where they go with this universe!

[@nikcantsnipe]

Since color is a big thing. Think of the second movie having a blue palette and set around Christmas. And maybe for the finale of the trilogy, we can get the classic Batman yellow as color palette. The sound design was so good for this movie. This Bruce definitely listens to Nirvana while on his many bike rides across the city.

[@BustinOnYou247]

Not only do I hope it would be blue for mr freeze but also blue because now that penguin is in charge I hope he makes the iceberg lounge have more of a blue look instead of red.

[@AlSidre]

Batman enjoying Rock & Roll How dare you that is a lie and you know it lol

[@mttylerdurden9]

I can't believe this is the first movie ive seen Paul Dano in and he doesn't get the crap beaten out of him.

[@kd7100]

The Batmobile was fucking kickass.. I actually thought it was more menacing that Bale’s Tumbler. It almost made me think of Christine (the Stephen King story- if you’re familiar with it, even just the concept, synopsis, general idea of the story or whatever, I think you’ll know what I mean), after seeing that scene when he and Selina, and Gordon, go after the Penguin (I think it was the Penguin they were after, it lead into the car chase), and he like, calls or starts the car, it’s just like, “Ohhh. Fuuuck.” lol.. Matt Reeves did some really awesome shit with this movie- the horror style elements, especially for the Riddler (and I think he needed that, to actually be taken seriously, as a real threat, especially after Jim Carrey’s rendition in Batman Forever)

[@johnjayes9925]

I don’t think the composer wrote a single note of the score until they knew they had the rights to Something In The Way because the rest of the music follows that same chord progression.

[@fourultra119]

In the novel it was revealed that Bruce started to build the batmobile when he was 16

[@SuperMcgangbang]

I really enjoyed the usage of tech in the movie. It was somewhat high end, but also realistic. For example, the sepia tone of the recording contacts gave it a believable feel despite the face recognition software. Or the cape that became a squirrel suit. I would like to have a sequel with poison ivy or hush.

[@rema999p]

My personal interpretation was that this movie could more or less be a Bruce Wayne origin story. Because the comics and the cartoons has told us that Bruce truly sees himself as the Batman and thinks of Bruce Wayne as the disguise. And I feel like if they make a sequel, based on what he's learned from this movie he could or would utilize Bruce Wayne more. That way any Bruce Wayne moment going forward can also play an integral role in his detective and vigilante process, and not just fillers to show the actor's face.

[@ardenaudreyarji]

Matches Malone would like to have a word 😂

[@rema999p]

@@ardenaudreyarji Matches Malone is a very different character from "Bruce Wayne" though. He fulfills a very different role when it comes to the type of people he gets involved with. Would be cool to get a scene where he'd have to use the persona though.

[@Newt5996]

Jeffrey Wright also played Destiny in the audible version of Sandman which is also great so you see a lot of his range as an actor

[@elijahbowers1]

I love what you said about clay face being a palette cleanser. I remember reading Snyder and Capullo's run and the one issue in the middle of the run with the random clay face story was one of the highlights of that run.

[@AlSidre]

There were so many reference to the comics like Year One, Earth One, Hush, The Long Halloween. I'm so excited, we are finally getting a movie that respects the comic source and read more than just Frank Miller. I can't wait for the sequel. I just hope the main villain is not the Joker, I'm all Jokered out personally I'm hoping for Mr Freeze Mad Hatter, Man Bat or Poison Ivy as long as it doesn't devolve into Schumacher Shenanigans. I think Scar Face wold fit in right into this world and would be perfect. I hope we get to finally see the rest of the Bat Family on screen.

[@priceyyeti4058]

Fun fact about Jeffrey Wright: Another voice acting role was as Think-tank in Venture Bros.

[@AFchris77]

I’d love to see Reeves use Clayface so much!

[@mohefsociety]

Whoa. Sal is caffeinated as heck in the beginning! Love the energy.

[@galvatron3323]

I think my fav moment was Batman waking up in the precinct on a table, surrounded by half afraid cops talking about taking off his mask.

[@alexsilva28]

The intro of the movie is hands down my new favorite Batman moment ever put to screen. It felt right out of an Alan Moore/Frank Miller

[@masonharris6015]

I feel like Joker should be the Thanos or Emperor for this universe of storytelling. Where we know he's there, we see him making plans through the sequels and TV shows, but we save a full on Joker appearance and full on story for whatever the climax for Batman's arc is. Like that's his final journey.

[@blackwingdragon1]

I honestly thought that the Elliot plot thread was gonna lead to this Riddler ACTUALLY being Hush/Tommy Elliot which I think could have worked in it's own right but probably would have been so far out of left field for most people.

[@sodajerkclassic]

I have a hunch that Matt Reeves plugged the Joker in that Arkham scene with the Riddler because he was inspired by the 60's version of Batman. That is because Reeves wanted to have the four most famous villains from the 1960's Batman tv show, which would be Catwoman, the Riddler, Penguin and the Joker. IMO

[@movethecarsal5026]

Another great show and discussion with my favourite comic KZbinrs! Thank you for all that you do

[@sollyswolly1623]

A Venom story arc would really tie into the themes of self-destruction and balance that's brought up in this movie, I'd love to see it, and I think it's a great set up having him use it as a legitimate hail-mary.

[@96smittyjr]

It’s weird but part of me wants to see Jim Gordon jr in a sequel. Like I am not huge on the character but I would like to see this world’s take on him. Y’all’s choice for prof pyg is really a neat idea. I was almost hoping for a Hugo strange moment in Arkham but doubt he will make an appearance anytime soon. I would love to see clay face if they could do him right

[@anthonymarciano6050]

I really want to see clayface and the court

[@johndeignan2668]

The movie is so well made that the nitpicks I have with the story appear major when in reality they are actually very small. IMO this is the best first installment of a Batman series, and I think it’s my favorite Batman movie behind The Dark Knight.

[@pbjoey703]

I’ve been pitching a body horror Batman movie with manbat or clay face, I really do think that genre could work really well with batman, especially if it’s in this versions universe because of how hyper realistic it is, if you add that monster element it could only add to the horror of it.

[@TommyBaysMusic]

I really enjoyed this Batman. The cinematography was amazing. Felt like a gritty 70s Detective/Crime/Noir film. Looking forward to the future of these films.

[@dravin815]

With most of the leadership gone and the city needing to be changed this is perfect for harvey

[@JusRaeDae]

I love the TellTale games!!!

[@Captain8ball]

Spoilers: after Batman saved the city, they cut to Riddler, crying. And they showed another person talking, I literally was like “oh no,” I instantly knew who it was and I was extremely disappointed. “God dammit WB just couldn’t keep it in their pants.” I can’t express how much I am exhausted by the Joker. I don’t like Bruce Wayne but I hate the joker more. I think he’s an extremely overrated character. The reason I enjoyed the movie was because it felt so personal to Bruce and Riddler(s). Maybe we could’ve done calendar man or hush, Clay face, killer croc. I don’t know something new, anything then the damn joker. The only way it would work is if we don’t see anything Joker-related for the next 10 years. Giving his appearance more weight and hyping everyone but I already know that’s never gonna happen. Also that laugh was extremely weak. How does the Riddler out-laugh the joker?

[@PhillyDash215]

How did you not mention the part in the club where The Penguin says to Batman “ do you know my reputation?” And Batman response with “yea do you? It felt like such a disrespectful and like also a dig to the Penguin, I would LOVE to hear your proactive or to know more of a back story to like “yea do you” line

[@joshheralal8758]

I'm glad they actually gave him the no kill rule. Amazing movie overall. 9.9/10.

[@Kieransm09]

Except for that part where he engaged in a pursuit that led to two trucks exploding and proceeded to literally ramp off their corpses.

[@joshheralal8758]

@@Kieransm09 He didn't kill them. Penguin did in an attempt to kill Batman.

[@robertwild9447]

I loved the part when Batman told Gordon no guns, and Gordon said "that's your thing man". I like Batman having the no kill rule, but he also needs to respect that his allies might feel differently. But that also doesn't mean Batman would be cool with someone like Peacemaker running around, lol.

[@joshheralal8758]

@@robertwild9447 Batman knows that Gordon wouldn't go around killing, unlike Peacemaker or Red Hood.

[@Kieransm09]

@@joshheralal8758 "I have one rule: no killing. However, I will engage in a reckless pursuit that leads to the death of multiple civilians then use their burning corpses as a ramp rather than stop and assist those horrifically injured by a two truck collision and explosion."

[@nick-314]

Another thing on the costume design was that he got like comic book white eyes and it was cool

[@darkknightcometh9195]

Anyone else catch the batman 66 music being incorporated into the score in the end fight scene on the platform? Great stuff.

[@Immortality_rie]

I think they should do Mr. Freeze bc he is a link to the Court of Owls, would love love to see Clayface too, maybe do him like that HBO show the Outsider, also wouldn’t be against seeing the Phantasm either.

[@dcworld4349]

When you told the story on AMD about Tiffany saying venom, I got so excited about the possibilities for what it could mean down the road. You guys are my couple goal, if I had a gf and she had said that I would have taken a detour on the way home to buy a ring and proposed.

[@ItsOver9000Productions]

Glad everything turned out ok! The movie rocked. The only thing that bothered me was him being practically bullet proof. also the constant repeating of his theme was hilarious

[@nikcantsnipe]

It didn't bother me. At all. Because if you notice there's a distinction between how Batman and Bruce Wayne moves. Bruce immediately takes down people and moves fast. While armor clearly weighs him down. And I think it is more than just theatrics, this Batman's boots are just that heavy along with the added weight of the armored bits. This Batman clearly isn't the best fighter but he's a tank and he's trying to cover for his inexperience by putting on this front of tough and badass. I do definitely think, he'll ditch the wingsuit for a more glidable cape and decrease the over all armored look of the suit to move faster.

[@Mr.Bibleman]

I really want Clayface for the sequel.

[@Martin_TheCollector]

I'll be in the minority but to me Penguin was more interesting than Riddler. Colin is an amazing actor. Even though I don't like this movie as much as Mask of the Phantasm and Nolan's first 2, Robert did a great job. At least as Batman. Andy's portrayal of Alfred was also marvelous.

[@CasualClassroom]

Honestly I think the riddler is closer to anarchy than the riddler, social movement guy with a big gang that dresses like him to cause change

[@julianemmaus9381]

This Riddle is Zodiac, Dennis Raider (BTK Killer) taking the role of Hush. BTK was a pun making sack of shit too.

[@antgue756]

Batman venom would be the perfect sequel to this. That storyline would fit Pattinsons version like a glove

[@darkangel220a]

It's not the riddler, it's the puzzler

[@Lucarioforce]

I genuinely am glad that so many people enjoyed this movie. I think it has a lot of great elements and I think all the actors killed it in their respective roles! I'm tempted to rewatch the movie soon, thanks for sharing your thoughts

[@STRANGEANATOMYBAND]

I’m with Tiffany about the theme, I low key hated it. It is so repetitive. My theory is that Matt Reeves was so obsessed with Nirvana’s “Something In the Way” being a part of the movie, that he requested the composer incorporate it into the theme. That song is only two chords and The Batman theme is the same two chords but syncopated to emulated the rhythm of Kurt Cobain’s vocal. It’s a neat idea but I think the overall effect is the composer was then boxed into using the very sparse elements of a very simple, 3 minute Nirvana song to create an orchestral theme and it just ended up sounding monotonous. I say this also be the rest of the score was delightful. Hopefully that theme develops and grows along with Batman’s character. *if you don’t believe me, go back and watch the first trailer and listen to how the two pieces of music weave in and out of each other.

[@Cubelarooso]

This movie has hooked the audience and built the world; now they can use a budget and deliver on the enticing taste it's teased: Barbatos!

[@AMOLAD79]

A lot of Earth One references in the movie.

[@tomtudorweaver1078]

I completely get people who aren't too big on the way they reworked the Riddler, character and design wise, but I really liked it. It felt completely necessary to me given how wacky the last version of the Riddler we got on film was, and I really liked the added dose of realism with the whole Zodiac inspired design. Plus I think making the Riddler a more serious villain would've been near impossible without changing up his costume, it works in the comics but I personally don't think I could take him seriously in live-action if he had the hat and suit. Then again unlike a lot of Batman villains I don't think that the Riddler's design is that important to his character, compared to the likes of say the Joker, Two-Face or Killer Croc. Whilst they did lean a lot more into the unhinged psychopath idea with him, I still felt they captured the core of the comic character, he made a game out of people's lives and even though he claimed to have a noble goal unlike comic Riddler, it was still driven by ego much like his actions in the comics are. It's definitely not what I'd call the definitive Riddler, but it's a great alternate take and probably my new favorite take on the character. My only problem with him was his final scene with the 'unnamed Arkham inmate' which to me basically sidelined the Riddler's presence completely to say 'here's this bigger villain'. Granted I can block that out since the rest of the film happened, but still it's not the note I feel the Riddler deserved to be left on.

[@teebone976]

Was there comic talk in this episode like the description says, or is it all Batman spoilers? Would love to hear about the comics but there doesn't seem to be away to tell without going through and seeing spoilers. Annotations would be wonderful.

[@TheRealZubes]

There was not! I'm sorry that was left in the description because we had to hastily recreate this after the fire alarm went off in the building where the studio is and we had to leave until the all clear was called!

[@teebone976]

@@TheRealZubes I see. Thanks for clearing that up!

[@ThatKevinBravo]

To Cayetano García who left a Juan Gabriel Song on the superchat: Mad respect and I take my hat off

[@ineptgamer3814]

I personally felt that the film was good, but not great. There was something missing to make it truly amazing, but I've no idea what it was. 🤷‍♂ Wait...What Joker...? The Riddler was speaking to Two-Face at the end of the film. You could literally see one burned side and one clean. 🤔

[@owennorcross4407]

I laughed at the fact that the Riddler is a twitch streamer and has a villain like only fans account.

[@soupkid8268]

I was listening to the score last night... I agree with Tiffany, MASSIVE funeral vibes.

[@bradenhogan2]

Robert Pattinson did a great job playing Terry McGinnis

[@kd7100]

Yeah, I’ve watched very, very little of any planet of the apes movies, and that has nothing, at all, to do with Matt Reeves, and everything to do with the fact that I just have no interest in the planet of the apes franchise whatsoever lol. However, when getting the initial bits of information about this movie years ago, as far as Matt Reeves directing with Robert Pattinson starring, I was a little skeptical, particularly because of his casting, but every single person in this movie delivered. This, at least for me personally, dethrones the Dark Knight. A lot of people are saying that this movie is way overrated, but I’d argue that the Dark Knight is a tad overrated; but that’s not to say that it’s a bad movie by any means, it was also damn good.

[@brockenglish7602]

I liked the movie but I didn't love it. I thought it was trying too hard to be edgy. As they said, it desperately wanted to be David Fincher's Batman like how The Dark Knight wanted to be Michael Mann's Batman.

[@JB-we7qc]

Riddler was inspired by Zodiac killer

[@mammal8615]

You say the rain was expensive, but being a Glasgow local, I can tell you that shite just won't stop pouring!

[@samshaw3657]

the first act was so good, but it got so baggy and off tone towards the end for me. Felt like warner brothers wanted something bigger and that cameo was painful. Sad they didnt stick the landing but was a step in the right direction for a post nolan universe (and a million oscars for colin farrell)

[@denniscousins1254]

I hope that they don't use the Joker for the sequel. Personally I hope they either do Bane, court of owls, mad hatter, or Hush these are my personal picks I'd like to see. Out of all of them I want the court of owls the most.

[@GamesWithBrainz]

In an interview Robert Pattinson said he already talked with Matt Reeves about doing a trilogy

[@rocker00000]

I think they are going to play around with No Man's Land as the sequel. Or it's at least going to play a big part in the TV shows.

[@macg4745]

No mention of the Zero Year influence....why am I not surprised that was ignored Sal lol.

[@dbzking02]

Though I doubt we'll ever see it, I really want to see what someone can do with a live action Clayface.

[@GeminiRosche]

Personally I thought the vial may have just been a shot of pure adrenaline

[@nuao88]

Same

[@allamaraine8066]

Yeah, I didn’t get Venom at all from that scene.

[@samuelanderson1862]

I thought if they bring in Killer Croc similar to Earth one then they should bring in Baby Doll and have their relationship

[@mrmxyzptlk8906]

Great review guys, I loved this film. It’s amazing

[@Dom_510]

The Batman was a masterpiece. I love the movie so much and it’s my favorite Batman movie too and is my favorite comic book movie of all time. Pattinson is my favorite live action Batman and I can’t wait for the next one!

[@dageekynerd2898]

I just wish we didn’t always need the grounded thing and all the same characters again. Penguin, Catwoman, Riddler etc. When are we gonna get some fantastical villains like Clayface? Also you guys said a comic book riddler wouldn’t work but you hope he transforms into that, so that kinda means it would work no?

[@xVenomousOnex]

I get what your saying but I think the grounded approach works better for introducing a universe. That was when the more fantastical villains come there presence is enhanced by the realistic setting.

[@kd7100]

I totally forgot about the whole Jonah Hill thing 😂😂… I like Jonah Hill, I do, but the casting we got with Colin Farell, is actually fucking great. I’ll admit, I definitely raised an eyebrow and thought to myself, “what the fuck? 🤨”, at first, not quite as much as I did with Robert’s Pattinson as Batman (and not even necessarily because of the silly ass Twilight nonsense), but, they both far exceeded my expectations and blew me away. Definitely Fuckin stoked to see more of the entire cast, more of the universe in general, they were all great- I hope we actually do get a trilogy from Matt Reeves 🤷‍♂️

[@tromusic7815]

The only thing I actually disliked about this movie but not in any real way that took away from it, was Batman’s cowl.

[@fairman23]

I agree with Sal about that Avengers theme

[@Diablo3364]

I loved the movie there was only one problem I had with the movie. The fucking joker. I'm sick of the joker, it's always the joker. I just want a good batman trilogy without the joker. Their is so many other batman villians. They only reason batman movies use the joker is because they know it will make millions of dollars as long as the joker is in it. They are more concerned about making money than making a good batman movie.

[@dbzking02]

Bring back BD Wong as Professor Strange in a movie.

[@rolfe2000]

Villains I don't wanna see: Signal Man and The Eraser 😂😂😂

[@lukespicer9363]

Love you guys and love the Batman

[@PhillyDash215]

I love Tiffany so so so much!!!!

[@Mike-jy4bu]

They should make a movie based on Batman reptilian

[@TheRealZubes]

...I would watch that

[@The_GeekLeak]

Tweedle dee and tweedle dum I’m almost positive were the twins

[@TheRealZubes]

I had the same thought, but it just didn't make it into this conversation!

[@dageekynerd2898]

Sorta feel like The Batman would’ve worked better as a show. (Not saying it was bad)

[@galvatron3323]

Wasn't the music theme the 1st 2 notes from the Nirvana song in the movie played over and over?

[@mttylerdurden9]

I hope people will finally shut up about Pattinson being in the twilight films. He's been in other movies but of course most of them were indie films so many people didn't see them

[@galvatron3323]

When is the Riddler not the Riddler? .....................when his subs dress as him.

[@Kieransm09]

Been waiting for this since the movie came out!

[@bierguy3033]

Comment for algorithm.

[@Joe-jj3fg]

I have to disagree about Riddler. I think Riddler at times can deviate too far into similarities with Joker, that it was a nice change of pace to bring him more into the Zodiac Killer, Jigsaw space.

[@instantbadass]

I honestly thought that was Two-Face in the cell at the end, I would highly prefer that than Joker AGAIN. For the next one I want Court of Owls, Scarface, Anarky, Killer Croc or Man Bat. I would've loved Black Mask, but they just did him.

[@fourultra119]

They definitely set up Hush for the sequel

[@jacksomedaysoon]

Damn I wish we had gotten Phillip Seymour Hoffman as Penguin

[@IsaacSperrow]

The way they intro the Batman with horror vibe had me so giddy. Its such a great tone setter. Also, "I don't like how etc spoiled the movie. Here is the spoiler: etc etc" Like, come on dude. Not everybody spent time online looking up possible spoilers.

[@comicpopreturns]

Timestamp for complaint pls

[@IsaacSperrow]

@ComicPop Returns 1:35:18 I wasn't talking about you guys. I was talking about the guy that superchat-ed. It's such a very specific thing to complain about that most wouldn't even know about.

[@nihilisticnemesis6153]

This movie has reignited my love for the batman comics

[@Fake_The_Jab]

I cant be the only who is a little dissapointed that we still have yet to get an old bald Alfred. I mean what is up with the last 2 Alfreds being so young?

[@AnarchicArachnid]

I'm for him having a Robin, but maybe a "We are Robin" approach of a social media influenced group of youths led by Tim (the brains) and Duke (the charm)

[@nikcantsnipe]

Maybe later on. Robin doesn't work without the original. Robin specifically has a meaning attached to it when its Dick. And he could easily just leave or get fired. Resulting in the rise of Robins across different social media.

[@AnarchicArachnid]

@@nikcantsnipe i don't believe that really, especially in the modern age, that the original Robin story can work on any level even if he quits or is hurt or dies. Mainly in an age of everyone having a camera in their pocket and social media. the idea that a billionaire can claim a younger man(even if he's aged up to 17 and legally he's able to claim independence soon) who was probably semi famous due to his circus work(which supposedly Haly's is world famous) as a ward, both of them dresses up as crime fighters and no one find out. This goes especially if Robin wears anything like the original costume or even the Tim Drake full pants or n52 version. it's still 90% of his face, besides his eyes and nose ridge, are not covered in any way. also most of his build is exposed due to the sleek outfit, unless they change that. All you'd literally need to do is to photoshop the Robin costume on top of him in his acrobat days and compare it to Robin's photos & you got a match more than likely. This goes for not just Grayson but possibly every Robin besides Jason who, was almost never publicly apart of the billionaire side of Bruce's socialite life in his Robin years, Damien who is a trained assassin that knows how to keep below the radar and maybe Stephanie brown. To top this off, since you can literally post the images to every form of social media in hundreds of different ways, there no covering the story up or acting like no one potentially realized the person is correct. and you better believe the gossip and drama websites would be all over something like Bruce Wayne adopting and batman having a partner. I know there's suspending disbelief but they've already done a lot in this movie alone to make it seem grounded in a world close to our own using plausible advanced technology(the camera contact lens with microphone and the wing suit part of the bat suit ). So yeah it'd be kind if hard to buy especially if people are being looked up and examined like this movie. Now with someone like Tim, you can believe he'd found his own grass roots organization to help people even without Bruce. Duke's strong sense of justice and believing in batman would of course lead him to help especially if his family was victims of the flood or the resulting chaos, which you can use to draw parallels to stuff like Katrina. It's messy yes, I'll fully admit but that's my case for skipping Grayson and instead putting forth the we are Robin type thing.

[@kobi7955]

@@AnarchicArachnid Well that's why it's a superhero movie based on comic books

[@AnarchicArachnid]

@@kobi7955 yep, based but at the same time there's certain elements of what is presented that make it impossible to give you other elements, like for example if this next film wanted to introduce the playboy persona Bruce , it'd feel weird if everyone acted like that was always Bruce and not a recent change. by the same token, they just spent this movie showing how clinical and analytical the gcpd can be and how brutal gotham can be. and I'm supposed to suddenly buy a dick Grayson coming into the picture, surviving fights, becoming Bruce's ward and no one putting it together? nah

[@nbiufl]

Felt like a super expensive WB show starring the crow in a Batman suit.