The Battle For Warhammer Has Begun | Asmongold Reacts

[@Fidgey2]

"The rewards of tolerance are treachery and betrayal." An actual Warhammer quote

[@moxtordoki96]

Darktide? Or was it arch

[@akamucrimsidae]

"An open mind is like a fortress, its gates unbarred and unguarded"

[@42smash36]

skull for the s

[@holysecret2]

Powerful, but one-sided quote only partly applicable to our society, Unless you enjoy the idea of a militaristic, totalitarian society

[@beardfistthegoldenone7273]

​@@moxtordoki96Its been in lore blurbs throughout the rulebooks for ages.

[@Aralaas]

It's not about women. It's about arbitrarily changing the lore for political reasons.

[@dragonfangalexander]

Nah, is totally about women, incels are outraged and thats all 😂

[@Aralaas]

@@dragonfangalexander I mean, I converted my Imperial Guard army to include female models because I bought them before the updated design that includes the option. But sure, we'll go with your bait.

[@Phantom-r9q]

​@@dragonfangalexanderdunno about incels but you for sure are enraged....r u the incel?

[@widyadwi321]

​@@dragonfangalexander she will never sleep with you bro stop it already 😂

[@KimoLeo]

And also they double down on the bull**** that there were women since the beginning in the Custodes, treating the community like morons when it's one of the most loyal and passionnate about the universe

[@DemonicSilence]

I am a black Warhammer fan. Have been for years. I have a Death Guard army and their Primarch Mortarion (my favorite Daemon Primarch) , I have multiple books, and I have nearly every Warhammer 40k video game and I can say that people were just as mad when they did this with the Primaris Marines because it screws up the lore so much and this is worse because they are gaslighting fans by saying "it was always this way". They didn't say that to the fans with Primaris Marines because they knew if they did fans would have flipped the table back then. This is going to definitely hurt GW because the people that they say "won't be missed" are the same people that would play Adeptus Titanicus at scale. Look at the monetary level of entry for that. I doubt the fictional fans that they think would replace us will not shell out the money like that. I swear this feels like a Genestealer Invasion.

[@Senorbenignhillarity]

They have thrown away hundreds of thousands of dollars per person. And they better hope that vanguard money keeps em afloat. The people pissed off by this won't scream about it online. They'll just go "well that sucks" and stop buying They simply don't understand their customer base

[@ILoveGrilledCheese]

No one cares if you’re a (insert race and or gender here) Warhammer fan, that doesn’t make your opinion more valid.

[@Gorebashed]

GW was the reason I bought a 3d printer.

[@TheBoEoSoT]

I'm not a Warhammer fan. But I heard the newest GW's products are already sold out. Do players really care about this drama?

[@danielmacgregor8721]

The addition of the Primaris was my getting off point with the hobby, something I had been doing since 1993. There was a time when I believed this kinda thing would never happen, but they have spent the last decade or so nerfing their own lore, destroying their games and worlds (RIP fantasy), sad times, but I have my old armies and rules editions to see me through

[@thehelmethead4883]

I remember a quote from someone on a warhammer fan group I was in. "Warhammer is for anyone, not everyone." Meaning there is no set target demographic that is only allowed to play warhammer but certainly not every single person is going to like it for what it is, and they should just leave it to those who do like it.

[@Baron_Drachen]

That's such a great quote that could apply to so many different avenues of entertainment / art / culture - I'm gonna keep that in my lexicon going forward. Thank you very much for sharing.

[@redhakiim789]

To make it short and simple for you, "they hate cult and religion, so they want to create their own cult of wokeness."

[@erichdegurechaff9515]

Everything is like this. Everything is niche, is just that some niches are bigger than others.

[@Ogoseaux]

@@thehelmethead4883 they really should just feature the wokeness in their be Tau Empire. They are DEI friendly

[@aSSGoblin1488]

you guys are tourists😂

[@typicallamagoat]

Henry Cavill cannot catch a break

[@falsehero2001]

DC, the Witcher, and now Warhammer. I think the man may be a jinx.

[@Yulia_Eromon]

Sad for him.. we all do 😑

[@plorex]

-Attractive man cast as main character -Women flock to see attractive man -"This doesn't allign with my views" -☕ -???? -Profit!

[@rodricksage5963]

its his fucking fault.

[@VortexTalon]

@@rodricksage5963 The hell you blaming him for? If he had things his way each one would have done amazingly, well except for the dc stuff that was a ship that was destined to fail it feels like. My man is just a passionate nerd actor who keeps watching everything he loves burn before his very eyes. Give my man a break.

[@Asethet]

Companies want you to be emotionally invested enough in their IP to spend big money on it, but complain you're too emotionally invested when they take to it with a hatchet. They say you shouldn't care so much about the lore, then can't figure out why you don't care enough to spend money on it anymore.

[@Rajin90]

"Don't ask questions. Just consume product and then get excited for next product."

[@devilbeastie]

They don't care why you don't care. They just move on like migratory locusts. To quote a famous lore youtuber: They are not evil they are just hangry.

[@frocco7125]

Women existing = Hatchet 😢

[@bradthebreadstick]

By having women?

[@summer7603]

@@bradthebreadstick there already women in it dingus. tell me you are not a fan while not telling you havent read any source books at all.

[@NefariousTV]

Ok, so my wife was watching Grey's anatomy, Emily in Paris and Bridgerton last weekend and I noticed that there wasn't a single space ship, no sword fights, no guns, no magic the gathering references, no nerds, no bad ass fights, no dragons, not a single fast car, no guns, no vikings, no demons, no lovecraftian God like entities... It's bullshit and I started to feel extremely under represented. This is pure Misandry at play and we need to rise up and make a cultural change because this is seriously bullshit and I won't stand for it any longer.

[@Donnieboy7]

Greys anatomy isn’t supposed to have anything like that. This is kind of a different situation all together, but ok… EDIT: I completely missed the point of this. I apologize. I’m autistic…

[@hansolo631]

@@Donnieboy7 How do you decide what something is "supposed" to have? STOP CHANGING ART TO YOUR POLITICSSTOP CHANGING ART TO YOUR POLITICSSTOP CHANGING ART TO YOUR POLITICSSTOP CHANGING ART TO YOUR POLITICSSTOP CHANGING ART TO YOUR POLITICSSTOP CHANGING ART TO YOUR POLITICS

[@DrDurrHurr]

Don't get me started! Have you ever read romantic novels women like to read? The men are almost always exceptionally handsome and some are even rich. This conveys a very unrealistic body (and economic) image for men. Hence I demand all men are changed to be below average in beauty with an average net income (at most).

[@thomaschurch1969]

@@Donnieboy7 You would be surprised by the number of people who want the "War" removed from "Warhammer," and to include romance novels in the setting.

[@alexjclelland]

It is amusing that so many women want to change traditionally men's entertainment to be more welcoming to them, yet there is no interest from men for women's entertainment to do the same.

[@WarSquigsPainting]

As a Warhammer collector, painter, and hobbyist since I was 8... so 23 years now... It's not about the "Female Custodes", and it's not about "Lore changes". It's about their utter disrespect for fans, their questions and concerns. And the almost predictable responce given to any dissenting voice. "You're just a bigot". JFC. How much of this do we have to go through? First, it's beer, chocolate, and Truckers. Now, it's Warhammer, WOW, and.... I dunno what else they can ruin at this point. It's about the Blackrock/Vanguard takeover, and the suppression of unique niche ideas, philosophies, and social commentaries. All in the name of "Equality and Tolerance". And if you don't like it, then so help them No-god, they'll ruin your life for disagreeing with anything they say. At this point, it's "Socially Enforced, A-typical Moral Objectivism". And I'm sorry, as a Warhammer fan, I cannot allow this political bullshit in a game about steroid fueled meat mountains, fighting rape deamons in a technocoloured dreamscape hell. It just don't fit.

[@Truthorfib]

Hit their wallets. Just gather a group of your other fans and convince others to just stop buying. If their wallets are hit they’ll eventually bend

[@WarSquigsPainting]

@@Truthorfib you are 3 months late to the party, my friend. XD

[@nelsonperez007]

They want to corrupt everything.

[@JKay297]

Did you see what happened to starwars? Same thing here, should be more noticeable this time around

[@guardianvalor962]

Beer? You got triggered that a company used a single trans influencer in a single advertisement to sell beer. Wow.

[@kpsk8031]

Going public + Blackrock and Vanguard buying shares = death sentence for your company

[@CubicIronPyrite]

Make sure your finances and retirement aren't associated with money-losing firms Blackrock and Vanguard. If you're young, never forget.

[@JamilaJibril-e8h]

😂😂😂😂 it was never to own things ...sell but hold shares

[@rykehuss3435]

Remember that Blackrock and Vanguard also own a lot of shares in private companies. Just because theyre not publicly traded doesnt mean you cant make an offer to a shareholder

[@Sonof_DRN2004]

They went public relatively recently too

[@JamilaJibril-e8h]

@@Sonof_DRN2004 weird how they sold it to them when it doesn't hold a value or even it's not high price yet ....well we will see it's all on sells ..... blablabla

[@UpToSpeedOnJaguar]

"Give them an inch, and they take a mile," has been a saying ever since the two units of measurement have existed.

[@rRekko]

Yup, it's the slippery slope. Asmon hates that phrase and concept with a passion, but it's absolutely true. You just need to check who are the people behind changes being made, why are they demanding those changes and what have they done before. The vast majority of people asking for change in 40k have demanded and celebrated changes done to other popular media. They're tourists checking out what's popular and changing the main thing to fit their agenda, otherwise they would've been happy with the all female army and all the other powerful females being in the books and games, but nah, they want to change everything that represents any media into white females and have other women from other races as secondary most of the time.

[@AtomicPatriot]

100% look at Marvel, DC, Star Wars, Star Trek, or Even Disney. They invited activists to "look great" but they came in and took over those spaces. Warhammer is the next, and as Someone who just got into this.

[@catra195]

Ya they say they only including women , but then She gonna be the Hero beating up 250lb men , every guy is evil or incompetent. Meanwhile 95% of Warhammer audience is Male

[@adryanmonk]

Whats that in meters?

[@cmike123]

Actually, it's only been a saying since it became a slogan against the Civil Rights of Black people.

[@badassmotha40001]

I think it was the Helldivers devs that said "A game made for everyone is a game made for no one". Real and true.

[@OtherlingQueen]

You do know that Helldivers is a "woke" game, right?

[@Sparkplugcrazytalk]

Lol explain how helldivers is woke

[@mirageknight8070]

​@@OtherlingQueen it's apolitical not woke

[@OswaldM_14]

​@@mirageknight8070 it is political the devs just don't like politics other than the overarching message being discussed.

[@gellertturani8249]

it was palworlds

[@mountain.spider]

Discussion on Reddit about Warhammer specifically this issue is always moderated. When people bring something up about how it's pointless to add it, they either get deleted or down voted into oblivion, you're only hearing the voices of the people that don't care.

[@EastlakeRasta7]

Almost sounds like the subreddit is being moderated by someone with an agenda

[@leonhardable]

​@@EastlakeRasta7owned by donald newhouse / advanced publication so yep

[@devranyilmaz9806]

Many such cases. Reddit is a shithole and it’s a wonder people actually take that forsaken site seriously at all. The echoiest chamber of echo chambers.

[@mountain.spider]

@@devranyilmaz9806 Yup. The only reason I have one is because there's not a lot of spaces where you can find massive amount of information, but I've started using it less and less for that specific reason echo chamber. No real discussions. We need either a brand new one or for the pass away.

[@frostiestark9533]

@@devranyilmaz9806 Unfortunately still one of the best sources for niche information, sadly

[@davidr8824]

The most infuriating part to this is that women are already represented in the hobby. Multiple armies have female units and there is an entire female army that already exists in the game.

[@axiss5840]

It's not enough for the activists.

[@denkerbosu3551]

You don't get it: they HAVE to be in any male dominated space, even if fictional.

[@pressureline5320]

In fact, if you think about it, in the 40k universe a female can be cast as *anything* except a Space Marine/Chaos Space Marine [or a Custodes]. And in-character, even just in the human factions, no-one bats an eyelid at a woman being *anything*. Fleet commander? Okay. General? Sure. Inquisitor? You bet. Mechanicum Adept? Yes. Guardsman? No problem, sign here, showers are that way. *edit* added Custodes to the very small list of things that women cannot be in the 40k universe because it apparently completely invalidates my point...

[@zeppelinled3967]

There should be no male exclusive armies mate, that's their goal.

[@boom350ph]

That's the reason why I don't care about female custodes since I know them as perfected human warriors that was made in a lab if they make a good explanation why no problem If it's female space marines tho it's a diffrent story since it already stated it's hard for a female to be converted If they are shit at making female custodes work then u can expect another reason that custodes have actually no gender and the face just look female making them femboys which is now a head cannon I have right now 10 feet tall powerful femboys

[@Kesvalk]

they don't want a space for themselves, they just want to take our spaces from us. is kinda a swarm of locusts.

[@samfire3067]

Or of Tyranids

[@callumkemp-young1152]

​@@samfire3067 Tyranids have the decency to kill you outright at least.

[@lokeyodinson8749]

Well put

[@The_K-Man]

And then those hypocrites call us the "intolerants"

[@canhnguyen-uj6ox]

Yeah, like Bill Burr said, they can just make their own sport/game/shows and it's just fine, but no, they have to come and inject their bullshit into existing things, and the worst part is, they dont even like these things to begin with. They dont play these games or watch these sports, but because its popular, it has to be all inclusive, even though 99% of the target audience are straight men.

[@Dum8kid]

I'm a huge 40k lore enjoyer, and it's insane that they just dropped a female custodes in. Specifically because it came out of no where for no reason. What I was hoping for was that an in universe character named Belisarius Cawl, who has spent 10k years learning and improving the Space Marine creation process, would've figured out how to put women through the process. Giving the Sisters of Battle a super cool new ultra elite unit. Instead we get this half hearted garbage.

[@guardianofthetoasters2323]

Imagine a new elite of SOB that the custode saw them almost like a space marine. A powerful tool that can be a threat. That would have been so cool to have the literal body guard of God becoming cautious of you. But no we get this bs

[@isaacdennehy4563]

This is actually a really good idea. Cawl has forgotten more than anyone even remembers

[@Suhov]

Well, with modern business strategy your target audience isn't customers. It's investors. And they want core fans gone. Since they will be very vocal and disruptive about low effort content and monetization tactics.

[@azairecummings7049]

He already did he just didn’t share it

[@TheJase8566]

The reason is…. New plastic spacemen range to sell

[@crypterion_moon]

An acquaintance of mine who 'allegedly' is a fan of Warhammer 40k believes that the ones against this change are the vocal minority who are losing their minds over nothing and that female custodes has always been in the lore according to the codex. I asked him which one and when was it released. I never got the answer from him, I checked some discussions myself. It's the most recent one, the 10th edition, which says a lot.

[@robertofernandez7773]

I don't really think it is a minority. I would say is pretty much the majority that doesn't want the change. Mt brother, myself and 4 other friends played this since the beginning. We're late 70s, early 80's kids. We all have spent thousands of dollars in figurines, books and videogames. We all have already discussed to stop buying anything extra just because the disrespect. I don't mind changes, as long as they maintain the lore as intact as possible. I don't know anyone of my female friends even knowing that this game and universe exists, This doesn't mean that they aren't any but definitely is a tiny minority. Its like asking barbie to make more men. I want a bearded , hairy chested Ken so I am represented. LOL!!!

[@crypterion_moon]

@@robertofernandez7773 Barbie...they would complain till everyone's ears bled, women have a talent for that. But no it definitely isn't a minority, it's just what the more wokies like to believe but the results are clear, many proper fans don't want this, no one asked for this. Hell, I'm only a passing casual, interested in bits of lore to read and I hate the idea of it because the pandering is very obvious.

[@chair2335]

Im with your mate, played 1st edition and just about everything has changed since those days. These new incel fans are definately the minority.

[@Daggz90]

​@@chair2335We're not "new" nor are we involuntary celibate. We're regular people with a life and a hobby, just like you. No need to dehumanise us for having a different opinion than you. I doubt your long-term commitment to this hobby, if this is how you speak to and treat fellow hobby enthusiasts. This is a pretty tight community and people are generally quite friendly towards fellow fans and enthusiasts and welcome newcomers. You don't sound like a long-term fan, at all. You sound like you're a new "fan" who like the verse but don't understand the meaning of things in it so you don't mind them changing things. But that's alright, you're entitled to your opinion. I just find it quite ridiculous and disingenous. And yes, we are the majority. We who care about good storytelling and being consistent in the details or at least explain a major change, in a sensible manner that still serves a purpose for the story, not for political or ideological means. It serves no other purpose but to cater to people who aren't fans of this verse. So what is the point in making this change, at all, if it doesn't serve or please the fans - which are the paying customers. So what other argument do you have to sensibly justify this contradictory change that directly sabotages the lore and drives loyal fans for decades, away from the verse due to inconsistencies in plot and logics? It's like a chef willingly putting an insect in your burger and when you complain he says you're the problem for disliking the seasoning and it's actually a delicacy in some remote parts of the world, far from where you're living right now. It just doesn't make sense and has the same lack of respect as anyone forcing themselves or anything else upon someone who clearly and loudly objects to said intrusion. Did you get that? It's the same mentality as a grapist - "I don't care what you say, I'm going to do what I want anyway no matter how it affects you, nor despite your protests. Because my will supercedes all others, at all times." Do you think there's a sound reason for not liking that kind of people?

[@chair2335]

@@Daggz90 cool story bro, needs more dragons

[@kira68200]

"The rewards of Tolerance are treachery and betrayal." - Pretty fitting 40k quote

[@3dartxsi]

Yes, the Imperium is a parody of a militaristic fascist state. GW is and has always been presenting them as bad guys. You parroting this quote as if it is some kind of sage wisdom shows that you completely missed the joke.

[@Sevaria]

@@3dartxsi muh media literacy, just because you say it is a parody doesnt make it false. Come on, you leftists invented Death of the Author; keep up.

[@music79075]

​@3dartxsi and yet it perfectly encapsulates the reward for tolerating Marxists

[@anonymousperson1771]

​@@3dartxsi Yes, the imperium is a parody. The satire dies when the quote has real life applications to subversive political movements that weaponise tolerance.

[@GoldenGodman]

@@3dartxsi "It's a parody!!! It's a parody because I said so! >:(" It's funny because it just shows that you don't actually read into the world. Yeah, the Imperium sucks, but they're never portrayed as the bad guys. It is shown that for as BAD as they are, they are still the good guys of this universe. It goes to show how bad the universe is that this very dystopic empire is the best hope for humanity. And even then, the Imperium is actively trying to improve, now with the return of Guilliman, as opposed to a parody/caricature/satire of a bad empire, which wouldn't evolve.

[@Jonmdix]

The crazy thing is that WH40k already has the all female Adepta Sororita who are one of the coolest, most bat sh!t crazy, bad-ass group of warriors in the entire universe. So GW don't need to retcon the Custodes, just start promoting the Sisters of Battle.

[@blueboots]

Buts that’s the thing… they don’t want their own thing… they want YOUR thing.

[@glawenclattuc3127]

@@bluebootsthey want their thing AND your thing. Just look at the Boy Scouts. The first thing they did when they started allowing girls to join is make a ‘girls only’ Boy Scout troop.

[@coda8525]

I guess but what if they just want another mixed faction? Double so since the custodians are made differently than normal SMs, and were picked out by the emperor when he wasn't a cool album cover.

[@darthghengis]

​@@bluebootsyep

[@minipaintingforyou]

There are loads more badass female characters in the setting! This change is simply ridiculous 😢

[@Rhidcully]

BlackRock loans are so sweet. What these people simply not realise: When the time comes to pay them back, customers will be gone.

[@AshramAstarciaV2]

It feels like dealing with the devil, tbh - the deal they offer seems too good to pass up, but you fail to see what it will cost you in the long run. Only then do you realize you got less out of the deal than the devil did. And by that point, it's too late to salvage what you have left - assuming you still have anything left at all.

[@szysi3k]

@@AshramAstarciaV2 That's exactly what I thought of. A devil is a guy with a silver tongue, offering something amazing for "just" a right to your soul. And the souls of all the greatest franchises are sucked dry before our eyes.

[@janklaassen6404]

Yep, game developers who bought into it see their games not selling anymore forcing them into bankruptcy.

[@hafirenggayuda]

Also, most of the corpos who really into ESG are usually in financial problem

[@janklaassen6404]

@@hafirenggayuda Which is good. In the end companies do what the customers want. Wokers are less than 10%, so in the end woke products will disappear or the companies disappear.

[@mityakiselev]

"Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made" - allegedly J.R.R. Tolkien

[@leonhardable]

not allegedly, its in the freaking books.

[@mityakiselev]

@@leonhardable I meant I have possibly messed up the quote, sorry for bed England

[@JM-mh1pp]

Ironic when you consider entire warhammer franchise is basically plagiarism of so many franchises. It took decades for them to come into their own

[@leonhardable]

@@JM-mh1pp how is it ironic?

[@JM-mh1pp]

@@leonhardable because this quote could be used to warhammer itself. When warhammer premiered it was nothing but a very low effort plagiarism of the most common fantasy cliches. So someone could see it and say the same quote that is know used against something derivative from it

[@DavidTMSN]

You don't have to be a Warhammer fan to continually see the pattern in every facet of the entertainment industry.

[@squirrelsyrup1921]

It ain't the chinese!

[@usun_current5786]

their names are BlackRock and Vanguard

[@uncoiledfish2561]

I don't see enough male representation in a lot of female dominated media. Should the same apply to them.

[@fmlAllthetime]

Lol

[@DavidTMSN]

@@uncoiledfish2561 No. Anything that suppresses men is considered progress in the eyes of the modern woman.

[@fdsbot]

Just when Henry Cavill got involved with the Warhammer universe. I swear someone put a curse on him lmao

[@ChaosAndAnarchy]

@@kimberly4275 apparently you do!

[@RWM0]

​@@kimberly4275 Yet here you are

[@Senorbenignhillarity]

Nah that's prolly the reason it happened. Funding from vanguard and blackrock. Amazon funding and involvement. All the pieces alone to push this weird shit. wouldn't surprise me if it was done because they wanted a female custodes char in the show itself

[@fork-man]

The guy can't enter what he loves without some morons drawing it down

[@obi-wanshinobi2353]

@@kimberly4275your rainbow flag

[@NeoN-PeoN]

Completely incorrect about BlackRock, Asmon. BlackRock INVENTED ESG scores, and every single big company is chasing a good ESG score. BlackRock is behind literally ONE-HUNDRED PERCENT OF IT.

[@actuallyKriminell]

Yes it was invented by them, but its not a singular event. Many powerful people share the same worldview and would have done the same if they could

[@DonJuanDM]

This is nothing new. It's called Stakeholder Economy. This has been tried in history and failed miserably every single time.

[@NameIsDoc]

@@DonJuanDMno shareholder economy is vested in a continuous stream of income or sustainable growth. DEI is completely counter intuitive to such a thing

[@TheHiddenMarty]

No they didn't, you're just making ship up as usual. It took me 2 minutes to google this shit bro. Check "Demystifying ESG: Its History & Current Status" for more details.

[@TheHiddenMarty]

No they didn't, you're just making ship up as usual. It took me 2 minutes to google this shit bro. Check "Demystifying ESG: Its History & Current Status" for more details.

[@BrokeJoker04]

They tried to sell female figures back in the day, but no one bought them. They pulled the figures and made a female only army years later, but they’re going back on information that they already know. For some reason these companies are going after these non-existent consumers, and after it blows up in their face they turn around and try to fix it, but by then it’s too late. A lot of people on Reddit and I would say 50% or more of players don’t even know about any of this drama, cause I posted about this on a 40k tabletop channel, and no one knew what I was talking about, and the channel banned me from commenting afterwards.

[@thelordakira]

they have already infiltrated the boards, all company boards and fan boards are managed by a certain type.

[@sullysosavage365]

The whole "wHy dO yOu CaRe?" Thing isn't even an argument. It's a deflection used by someone who doesn't have an argument.

[@davet5033]

This is objectively false. The video contains numerous well constructed arguments based on actual evidence and careful reasoning. Drinker cited GW and several decades worth of cannon warhammer lore. He’s not making this stuff up. Hear him out.

[@woodchipper2256]

@@davet5033 no he didn’t. Drinker thinks Custodes are Space Marines. He knows nothing and is spewing ragebait for profit.

[@isthou]

Nicely constructed arguments ? LoL he has no understanding of the lote and it shows in the first 5 seconds when he lumps sms and custodes together. And even if he did, 40k is retconned every 5 seconds and nobody cares. Votan ? Nobody cares. Primaris being developped il the background for 10k years ? People were mad for 5 minutes and now nobody cares . The whole necron lore retconning their full race, old ones, ctan, and the création of eldar and orcs ? Nobody cares . 30 year of retconning, but women custodes is crossing the line ? XD

[@thenson1Halo]

Just ask them why they care right back. If it doesn't matter then asking why you care is a moot question is it not? Unless that is that is DOES matter to them and that is why they are pressing you.

[@saltwatertaffybag]

"Neil Gegrasse Tyson" - alleged scientist

[@Velaroz]

My comment for this is: The moderation for things like reddit and forums has been an ongoing thing for years, trimming away parts of the community that would have been vocal about their dissent.

[@NameIsDoc]

Twitter ironically is the only place we can speak out now thanks to musk

[@NostraDavid2]

As someone who was on reddit since 2008 until last year: Reddit Inc has always been shit. The best thing about reddit has always been it's communities (as cringe as some of them have been, over the years).

[@getfreur2458]

Purgin the opposition to solidify your grip on something? Where have i seen this before...

[@hansolo631]

STOP CHANGING ART TO YOUR POLITICS

[@thesponge836]

Reddit is basically a fantasy world

[@Rykrai]

6::41 - The Subbreddit is banning people who dont agree. So the subbreddit "not caring" is a curated effect.

[@Darth_Bateman]

Some of them just wait for you to slip up. Like, remember Castlevania Nocturne? I'm black, didn't like Anette, the white audience members called me anti-black.... Bizarre. Basically they waited for me to insult somebody back and then banned me for.a month for violating rule 1. I didn't go back after that, but you get the point.

[@IREQUIREFLESH]

​@@Darth_Bateman unfortunately they define what "blackness" is and will use it as a tool to push there message.

[@trhtkify]

like every other subreddit, reddit is the most censored and fake forum website in history of the internet

[@daringdarius5686]

@@IREQUIREFLESH their* (waiting for my ban)

[@Darth_Bateman]

@@daringdarius5686 Knock knock, its the united states. . . . . With guns on boats. . . Gun boats. . .

[@lightofheaven2956]

“Was this an artistic choice or was this a social choice” holyshit those are some powerful words…

[@The_Joestar]

Meanwhile most women who actually play have armies of Orks, Nids and Necrons and dgaf about InKlUsHiOn in the lore

[@NameIsDoc]

Of the 6 women that play Warhammer that I know their main army's are Orks Dark Eldar Space wolves (has a shirtless space wolf kitbashed from a wolfen) Khorne Sisters of battle Necrons

[@AtheismF7W]

"most women", lol.

[@CubicIronPyrite]

Most women won't play thought, they play games on their phones and tablets.

[@The_Joestar]

@@CubicIronPyrite obviously I meant the women who are involved in the hobby, not the entirety.

[@rykehuss3435]

@@AtheismF7W Read the next part

[@Kerath]

"Better that we had all burned in the fires of Horus' ambition than live to see this." - Roboute Guilliman, Primarch of the Ultramarines

[@Verg887]

"Better to live under Chaos Gods than to live in such future." - Lorgar explains why he began Horus Heresy, probably.

[@General_Ward]

Castodes always including females is a pretty weak retcon. Writers have been excluding directly stating genders for years because creatively they wanted the females but management wouldn't let them. At least it was prepped for in advance unlike the Tau warp drive retconns which were significantly more impactful on the lore. Stop being a snowflake

[@Rurik_Luci]

"I'm just here to watch it burn," -Erebus probably

[@Test20348]

"Thats why" (c) Konrad Curze

[@Razorfayne]

I'm mad precisely because I don't want Warhammer to become yet another Culture War battleground. There's not many of those spaces left, and I suppose I just got very comfortable in thinking Warhammer was too nerdy to become that after being a fan since '96. I guess it happening in DnD should have been the wakeup call.

[@anacondra2293]

They added the fact that women were in the army. This is what you’re mad about. It changes nothing,

[@summer7603]

There's no middle ground or safe haven. They wont stop. The moment those large investment firms bought into their stock meant it was always going to be a battleground. What they cant subvert they will try and destroy. But dont let it demoralize you let it radicalize you. There's already good stuff being created.

[@lakerain4723]

You don't realize your life and reality, so you fail to notice the activists rip Warhammer heart out and now dancing. They succeed in driving away customers and pushing ideology over profits, just like Pokémon go.

[@thomasbrown9313]

@@anacondra2293 no that is a change. Do you know what the word change means?

[@lakerain4723]

Ideology ripping the heart out of a franchise will not bring more customers to your product or make customers who are players and fans love your products anymore. Failure to know reality and life from ideology is why this happen. Hiding just guarantee it happen with gatekeep customers from enjoying the products.

[@Solace19k]

My only question is how will they fit in the kitchen with all that battle armor on?

[@Atolocus35]

"The rewards of Tolerance are treachery and betrayal." 40k quote

[@heiivan6111]

No scarified is too great no treachery is too small

[@zill150]

You know the Imperium of Man is satire right?

[@Lemminjoose]

Do explain, please. ​@@zill150

[@LemonRush7777]

​@@zill150 Even satire has lessons to teach, and the necessity of gatekeeping is a universal truth

[@tylercarter8011]

@nicholaswood194 imagine denying reality so vehemently that you infect all aspects of human life and start a chain of events the results in the collapse of world as we know it.

[@Lark88]

I think it came out recently that it was Amazon's influence that triggered this change in lore. It was supposed to be a subtle change by adding a single female Custodian, but the Warhammer community manager that runs the account screwed up by gaslighting the community and put a spotlight on the change. Also, I don't believe it's a coincidence that the faction that was changed just happens to be Henry Cavill's favorite faction.

[@tempestvenator9809]

Well, Custodes are honestly the awkward stepchild of Imperial factions. I mean their reason for being playable in 40k to begin with was a huge retcon, and some argue was a mistake in of itself. So, I feel like Custodes were seen by GW as an acceptable sacrifice to keep people away from their precious Space Marines. I mean GW has repeatedly doubled down on Astartes being exclusively male, even willing to wear through accusations of transphobia just to keep them an all-boys club. Also, we really don't have any confirmation that that 4Chan post is legit. What I hate is how insufferable both sides are. You have the SJWs on one side, then the right-wing nutcases they're so hellbent on rooting out on the other. Yeah, there is a right-wing community, but the SJWs are going all witch hunter mentality on this. They want to "purge the heretics" even though it will end up making the property they're purging unappealing.

[@peterc3262]

It was a 4chan rumour. It didn't "come out."

[@tempestvenator9809]

@@peterc3262 Yeah, and 4chan is "very reliable" in this modern climate.

[@TheGameILostIt]

I guarantee this was a stab at Henry cavil who is producing and staring in an upcoming WH40K series on amazon, he literally said his army was Custodes. You cant make this stuff up. Also; "It is known that all Custodians begin their lives as the infant sons of the noble houses of terra. It is considered a great honor and mark of prestige for these noble families to surrender their sons to this esteemed calling within the Imperium." -Custodes Codex 8th Edition

[@siyrean]

I mean, if he knows the lore, then he knows this isn’t out of no where. The only line mentioning custodes being specifically sons is followed by them bring an unplayable army. And yet he plays custodes

[@TheGameILostIt]

@@siyrean Wrong and they are rewriting the wiki pages as we speak. Old: "These men are my bodyguards, their lives forfeit to the guarantee of my physical safety. Of their loyalty to me there shall be no question nor doubt. I, and I alone, shall have the authority to stand in judgement over them. No other commander shall they have in battle nor in service. None shall bar them from me and none shall hamper or stall their mission. So it is decreed!" New: "These warriors are my bodyguards, their lives forfeit to the guarantee of my physical safety. Of their loyalty to me there shall be no question nor doubt. I, and I alone, shall have the authority to stand in judgement over them. No other commander shall they have in battle nor in service. None shall bar them from me and none shall hamper or stall their mission. So it is decreed!" Old: The Custodes is an elite cadre of genetically-engineered transhuman warriors who are even more potent in combat than the Adeptus Astartes. New: The Custodes is an elite cadre of genetically-engineered transhuman male and female warriors who are even more potent in combat than the Adeptus Astartes. Its okay that you're fine with it, but I and many others are not. We differ in opinions but I'm sorry, they are ret-conning for all the wrong reasons. The lore itself said: "It is known that all Custodians begin their lives as the infant sons of the noble houses of terra. It is considered a great honor and mark of prestige for these noble families to surrender their sons to this esteemed calling within the Imperium." -Custodes Codex 8th

[@Taurean_SAMA]

​@TheGameILostIt The change is what is pissing people off cuz we know they are only doing it to appeal to a group that won't even watch or engage in the content.

[@TheGameILostIt]

@@Taurean_SAMA Exactly, its upsetting people because its insulting, there have been YEARS of lore that they are now whitewashing away and changing because, "reasons"?

[@TJ-dn4zc]

The Amazon deal is probably another pressure force for the change. I'm always suspicious someone is getting paid too $$$$.

[@imjohn4815]

Never made any sense to me why people who dont care about a game has more voice than the community they represent. Forcefully changing something for people who dont care about the genre just seems like a company values random people than their own valued community.

[@ArchieZeroOne]

I mean this isn't anything new for GW. Fans also never made a fuss before when they completely retconned the ENTIRITY of Necron lore. Or constantly altering the Horus Heresy. So I can't fault GW here. You have a fanbase who never gave a shit about sweeping, lazy lore changes and the opportunity to alter the lore again to entice new possible fans.

[@jorgeenchilada]

You guys in this comment section should know. 90-95% of you don't play the tabletop game. Not sure why you don't see the irony.

[@djeka415]

I guess they think about them as a potential newcomers

[@christopherdsuza7531]

Reddit is heavily moderated...anything out of line gets deleted so I don't think its an accurate depiction.

[@squaresided]

Truth = dislikes

[@dannyboy5008]

They absolutely remove and ban posts talking against this.

[@mb5649]

How do people still use reddit

[@amsro9094]

Yeah it's woke moderated, most subreddits.

[@Shadowiff]

@dannyboy5008 ya reddit is f'd in the head. I've taken a look and the top post for Warhammer is some notice saying how their "real life values" align with the game, and if you don't like it then you don't belong here. I was like what it's a fantasy game tf

[@moxtordoki96]

Remember the guy named Arch that asmond reacted a few weeks ago? He told that this will happen 7-8 years ago, and he became the voldemort of the warhammer comunity for that

[@kamikuru4014]

arch is a grifter like the quartering and asmongold, think for yourself dude.

[@dragonfangalexander]

I could only hope that alpha incel were to stop making 40k content, but he is obviously milking this out, incapable of putting his money where his mouth is. He is a disgrace for the 40k community

[@MadJustin7]

@@kamikuru4014 I don't think you know what the word grifter means. Arch has been entirely consistent in his beliefs on youtube for almost a decade now. He warned this was going to happen years ago, took a lot of shit for it and was completely vindicated in the end.

[@moxtordoki96]

@@dragonfangalexander u mean arch or asmond

[@bakmata6795]

​@@kamikuru4014 get a mirror

[@npalsensei]

Contrary to what some people believe, the slippery slope argument isn't a fallacy. When you add clauses into a rule that break the rule, expect the rule to be further broken. When you invoke reasoning that isn't based on the rule to justify exceptions, expect more exceptions to be added because you've broken the logical consistency of the rule. You can no longer draw a logical line that won't appear arbitrary.

[@lorecow88]

Calling it a fallacy is a fallacy. This is just incrementalism at work.

[@TetsuRiken]

It can be a fallacy just depends on the context and what the slope is It can also be justified but it's all context based Quick edit: The stuff going on with 40k is likely one of those times where there is a slippery slope and will more than likely lead to worse shit in the future since we have seen this pattern of behavior before

[@elmythical2395]

Argument from fallacy is the fallacy here. Just because someone says you are making an argument that can be defined as a fallacy doesn't mean that it is wrong.

[@XanderBlade]

I prefer arabic name for slippery slope- camel nose. It describes those scenarios way better. Short explanation of camel nose- during night on dessert a camel tries to snuck into your tent, starts by sticking just its nose. You got two options: either smack its nose hard enough to go away or let be and sooner or later you will have whole camel in your tent. Some things needs to be stopped at first signs of corruption.

[@___Hermitage]

This is a great comment

[@swampbillies1776]

"Sudden investment money from Blackrock" thats your answer why

[@johnravely2872]

The gaslighting made this 100x worse. I think many of these problems come from later generation employees as the company grows over time. No way Andy Chambers and/or John Blanche were behind this.

[@Kerath]

Take over the HR Department, and you can turn any company into a virtue signaling wokefest in less than 5 years.

[@squirrelsyrup1921]

That community manager could have spun it really positively. But they did the one exact thing which tanked the company stock price. They could literally have done this: "Good spot! While it's true that 1980s canon states the Custodes are the sons of nobles, there are female Custodians mentioned in a novel by Dan Abnett, and our upcoming TV series will feature a named character. We're also blown away by the incredible fan-made female Custodians created by passionate artists among our fanbase. A plastic kit will be coming in September. Game on!" Or you can gaslight & attack your own fans.

[@JunkyardCactus]

"Slippery slope is a fallacy" that was *somehow* actually correct 90% of the time. That's not a "fallacy", that's incrementalism.

[@T0mm3n]

Its not a slippery slope, its a sheer cliff

[@АлексейЮрловский]

It is a logical fallacy, which means that you cannot use skippery slope to establish definitive logical connection to a conclusion. You can 100% use it to point out a correlation, it is only a logical fallacy, it does not work only in the field of pure logical reasoning

[@PrimarisAngelusMortis]

​@@АлексейЮрловский Slippery slope is exactly the kind of tactics with which they use to justify forcing more and more of their BS though. You can't even try to deny it, it's their entire MO!

[@TheRedHaze3]

The slippery slope is not inherently a fallacy, only when used incorrectly.

[@SM5T001]

Slippery slope is a cOnSpiRaCy ThEoRy. 🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@Tetrohedracon]

The Emperor taught us to be biggoted and xenophobic. We are just following his will.

[@NemesisX94]

Based

[@OfficialJohnnySinsGaming]

It is called "human rights" for a reason, not "xeno rights."

[@johnlopez5230]

Chad

[@sober667]

Based

[@steamfeuver]

Only the Emperor would absolutely depict the Imperium of the 41st century as a disgrace to his legacy, considering he was anti-theistic and believed secularism was the only way to defeat the warp. That and the Emperor also worked with alien species, so it's like, really the whole bigoted xenophobic thing happened when he died and the inquisition happened and found it easier to manipulate dumb-unwashed religious masses.

[@nelsonperez007]

The tiny hats have infiltrated 40k. The mustache man tried to warn us, but no one would listen. Now here we are.

[@n3crowarlvck]

“OY VEY NOT HAVING FEMALE CUSTODES ISNT VERY KOSHER”

[@1gunnerShock]

“It’s only one change, what’s the big deal?” *space marine voice* You’ll never stop at one.

[@Barkbatosu]

We care enough to act, and heresy grows from idleness

[@dezmodium]

true, they are always changing the lore and usually nobody really cares

[@DeosPraetorian]

They've made hundreds of changes over The course of its existence. I mean they killed off the squats and then brought them back years later

[@Kenny-bj2zq]

Amazon just screws up everything they touch when it comes to games and movies

[@DeosPraetorian]

@@Kenny-bj2zq looks over at The fallout show

[@SuperObnoxiousGamer]

GW acting pretty bold considering 90% of their revenue comes from plastic models we can 3D print now

[@thomaschurch1969]

Yea. While their model quality is pretty good (3d printed imo are a very close second), the IP is probably the main thing that draws people. It's certainly not the prices for kits.

[@SuperObnoxiousGamer]

@@thomaschurch1969 Yes but if they are gonna throw their IP into the dirt the community might as well make them lose money, by skipping buying their models and acquiring paint elsewhere you can hurt their bottom line, if they correct their ways we can go back to supporting them, i dont play the table top but i got a fair few models and honestly i could probably 3D print more for a 1/10 the cost.

[@mogwaiman6048]

Most of the people complaining don't buy miniatures.

[@unclegruber5703]

And there are sooooo many great minis out there, both sold as minis and STLs Shout out to Mierce Miniatures. Vore is the most incredibly terrifying troll I've ever seen.

[@dontcallthemliberals3316]

They know models are on their way out, they are pivoting to entertainment and this is the blood price they must pay.

[@GodDragonLich]

Fun fact, Blackrock and Vanguard own a big chunk of shares.

[@moisesezequielgutierrez]

what being _"Going public"_ does to a MF:

[@NameIsDoc]

They bought in recently. We need to get those companies to die how can both of them lose hundreds of billions and still live?

[@LyonManes]

WOAH NO WAY THE COMPANIES THAT OWN A BIG CHUNK OF ALMOST ANYTHING?!?!?!? NO WAYAYAYAYAYAY!?!?!?!?!

[@riswandiwijaya9654]

Yupp, even in the eastern part of this world. They still have the "handman" to them. So..... the end of the world doesn't really that far, right??😂😂😂😂

[@JamilaJibril-e8h]

😂😂😂😂😂😂...

[@libertyprime2013]

I got my wife into Warhammer and she’s feeling burned because much of her relatively new Age of Sigmar army got nuked in the new update. She also got into dark angels and 40K.. and she’s more angry about the femstodes than I am. (I’m kinda indifferent to it, it’s more the reason why they’re doing that bugs me). My son can paint but is too young to play, and even some of the models we got him were nuked lol. We have a large backlog and need to save money anyways. So in a way it’s a blessing in disguise. If they get their shit together maybe we’ll invest in them again

[@khemeher]

The most common misconception about Warhammer is that Games Workshop gives half an ounce of deep fried sh!t what their customers think or want. They know that the levels of autism required to engage with the game will not allow players to disengage. This is not the first time they have taken a steamy dump on the game. It will not be the last.

[@valorzinski7423]

The tabletop players can just use 3d printers or order a knockoff model online for cheap If GW licence warhammer IP to Hollywood or streaming services, people can just not watch them

[@ManofManySorrows]

@@valorzinski7423That’s not the point. Your comment proves you have no idea what it’s like painting or assembly of GW plastic versus 3D printed models. You have no grasp on who a 3D printer hurts.

[@Herandro_just_Herandro]

Nothing will get better in the entertainment industry as long as ESG SCORES/DEI and companies like BlackRock and Vanguard are a thing.

[@Taurean_SAMA]

Yep.

[@jingthethief]

what is esg?

[@Herandro_just_Herandro]

@@jingthethief An ESG score is an objective measurement or evaluation of a given company, fund, or security's performance with respect to Environmental, Social, and Governance (ESG) issues.

[@jingthethief]

@@Herandro_just_Herandro doesnt sound so bad. whats the problem with it?

[@Donnieboy7]

@@jingthethief it doesn’t sound bad, until this measurement starts affecting quality of entertainment, THEN it becomes a problem. You get me?

[@e137enfingers5]

"Whenever (inclusion) is being done for a reason that doesn't enhance the lore, and is being done in a way that's condescending..." Yeah but, when is it not? It doesn't enhance anything. It just checks a box.

[@HiveFleetOni]

No one has adequately explained why the change doesn’t improve the lore, or damage it. It’s pretty neutral in terms of impact, beyond opening up future options.

[@somedudeonline1936]

​@@HiveFleetOniyeah it makes no sense that your biological space voodoo doesn't work on women because woman weak when in the lore you have people like saint celestein. Yeah let's just rule out half of all of humanity for our recruitment options.

[@Random15738]

@@HiveFleetOniright, the whole thing is a massive nothingburger. It was made for political reasons only, it won’t change a thing about the custodes other than their flavor/history. So I guess in that regard it’s a pretty substantial foundation change for the whole faction, but it’ll do absolutely nothing to advance the greater plot of the universe.

[@Idontevenwanachannel]

​@@Random15738 It retroactively makes every single piece of lore where Custodes appear in numbers seem strange that there is a total lack of women.

[@Random15738]

@@Idontevenwanachannel true. The women were just always in the background while the men did the important stuff. What did GW mean by this🤔

[@RacingMeyer8]

Sounds like helicopter surrogate parents have taken over your virtual room.

[@hollygolden9673]

The last 10 years have taught me that the slippery slope is not a fallacy. Blackrock said they are causing it and intentionally so.

[@e_rebus]

"Give an inch and they take a mile" has been a saying since the 1500s

[@TommyTipex]

It's not even a fallacy to be begin with, just a easily recognisable and historical pattern for all of human history

[@GurtiusMaximus]

Alex Jones staying correct

[@MinosML]

Tbf, the slippery slope is a logical fallacy when in a formal logical argumentation, not so much in practical terms when exercising our human ability of pattern recognition 🗿

[@MichaSennin]

May the Emperor have mercy on Us.

[@georgedevries3992]

He has. We merely won't be around to experience it 😔

[@YuiYuria]

Only the Starchild has mercy, for the Emperor has none left.

[@MichaSennin]

@@YuiYuria A fellow StarChild prophecy enjoyer.

[@YuiYuria]

@@MichaSennin and I prefer Eldar, quite the mix

[@misstayco4492]

Empress*

[@mostsacredstories]

Someone else said there were like 63 books in which custodes were present and not once was a woman present or even mentioned among them. Altering the narrative for nothing more than appeasing a political base that in turn HATES your existing actual customer base is a really bad move that diminishes the value of your whole franchise in a number of ways.

[@Abekrampe]

The only political move with introducing women custodians is to market wider than before. Same with all other inclusionary apeal, its not because of a political agenda more as to diversifying your demographics, in order to apeal to wider audiences thus making more money. You incels need to learn that making more inclusionary content is an attempt to make more money, in a snide way all be it, but still just to make more money.

[@nathanperquin9910]

@@Abekrampe except it doesnt make it more popular and just alienates existing fanbase that your finances are built upon.

[@mostsacredstories]

@@Abekrampe right, Im an incel because I don't like watching ideologues have sway over creative work. Distancing yourself from your base is a questionable business practice but we'll see how that works out.

[@mrminecraftcubeable]

​@@Abekrampebut there are armies with women in them like the imperial guards, there are female only armies too and they don't get enough of a spotlight

[@Abekrampe]

@@mostsacredstories Warhammer is filled with ideology and the hill you’ve chosen to die on is a female custodian. Surely you being opposed to that can’t be ideological, you are after all a rational being that doesn’t get in your feelings over lore changes.

[@neuroshell]

There are female members in various branches of the Adeptus organizations within the Imperium of Man in Warhammer 40k. However, not every branch includes women equally. Below are some notable Adeptus factions and their inclusion of female members: 1. Adepta Sororitas (Sisters of Battle): One of the most famous female-only branches in the Imperium, these warrior nuns serve the Ecclesiarchy. They are devout soldiers of the Emperor and excel in zeal and martial prowess. They use powered armor and bolter weapons, similar to the Space Marines, though they are not genetically modified like the Astartes. 2. Adeptus Mechanicus: The Tech-Priests of Mars include both men and women, though gender becomes less relevant as they undergo extensive cybernetic augmentation. Female Magos and other high-ranking members exist, but physical gender is often downplayed due to their focus on technology and machinery. 3. Adeptus Astra Telepathica: This branch manages psyker recruitment, and there are many female psykers who serve in roles like Astropaths (those who communicate across the stars) and Sanctioned Psykers in the Imperial Guard. 4. Adeptus Administratum: The bureaucratic arm of the Imperium has no gender restrictions. Countless men and women toil within this vast organization, keeping the Imperium’s paperwork and records in order. 5. Inquisition: Inquisitors can be male or female, drawn from various backgrounds. There are many notable female inquisitors, such as Inquisitor Katarinya Greyfax, who is part of the Ordo Hereticus, specializing in rooting out heresy within the Imperium. 6. Imperial Guard (Astra Militarum): Though less often depicted in the lore or miniatures, women serve in the Astra Militarum as soldiers, commanders, and other roles. The Valhallan Ice Warriors and Catachan Jungle Fighters are two regiments known for including female soldiers in their ranks. 7. Adeptus Arbites: The Arbites, the law enforcers of the Imperium, have both male and female members. They act as judge, jury, and executioner in enforcing Imperial law across planets. In contrast, the Adeptus Astartes (Space Marines) are exclusively male due to the genetic modifications and selection processes based on the Emperor’s original design.

[@Dufoth]

if the war hammer fans stopped for like 5 years, Warhammer should be dead and easily purchased.

[@SeanWinters]

​@@oskarm4155Literally no one fears women, we fear the corruption of chaos.

[@_inz_4886]

​@@oskarm4155 Alright I don't really care about this discussion but I feel the need to correct something, they didn't say "corruption AND chaos" they said "corruption OF chaos" which is a warhammer reference

[@actuallyKriminell]

dont feed the troll

[@georgeousguy]

​@@_inz_4886 how would they/them(😂) know? They dgaf about WH, they Just want to take everything from everyone, not their own thing. Pathetic

[@Phantom-r9q]

​@@oskarm4155a terminally online giving advice to get off internet, peak.

[@MC-kk8xu]

"YOU WON'T BE MISSED CHUD" Great. **turns on 3D printer**

[@bananajoe9951]

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture repainted, every statue and street building renamed, every date altered." ― George Orwell, 1984

[@nilzatron]

You won't like the history of WH40K then. GW has been retconning lore since day 1.

[@maximum9977]

​@@nilzatrontrue But there were reasons to do that. For example indomitus crusade was 120 years. But then GW realized that all Tau and IG named heroes should be dead in current time line. And retcon was neccecary

[@fa-ajn9881]

@@nilzatronyeah that’s our real life not a badass fantasy world full of world that your try to go to for escapism. You can like 40k without wanting your real life to be dystopian shit hole.

[@summer7603]

@@nilzatron so has every other lore franchise except LOTR in the beginning stages. It's been 30 yrs of all dude bro banana bois and now this and for what reason? nothing they are silent and we smell the fear because someone up there fumbled the ball and they are hoping we forget.

[@maximum9977]

@@nilzatron the main problem with that retcon 1) why - just for wokeness 2) how - in a fucking Twitter post. And with "you are stupid it always been" massage

[@effinjamieTT]

First they came for Star Trek, then they came for Star Wars, So long 40K, it was good while it lasted.

[@itachi975x]

Say goodbye to faithful show from Henry Cavill there no way they gonna let him do whatever he wants

[@slb797]

Not too mention Custodes are his favorite faction

[@Apophis1010]

They will because hes to War40k like Tom Cruise is to Scientology

[@sean8955]

i saw some *leak* saying this change was made for the amazon show

[@Zankaroo]

@@sean8955 Probably so he can't say its not in the lore.

[@adamhassam]

it about the companies response thus 40k unsubbed from war hammer too w regards to negative changes. so typical.

[@witnessfox3509]

In case anyone doesn't know. The PC game "table top simulator" allows you to play the 40k tabletop top game for just the price of the game. No need to give hundreds to GW.

[@mibaoj]

thats actually amazing but i can see how it doesnt feel the same to some others

[@witnessfox3509]

@@mibaoj In that case there is always the 3D printer lol. I just want to make sure people know they have options.

[@brotherhao4225]

Tbf, after finally getting to play 40k in person, TTS is nowhere near as immersive as irl, which is a shame. Like you said though, 3d printers go brrrr and ngl if people just make 1:1 STLs then start proliferating en masse, GW will actually be screwed. Like music companies and piracy in the early 2000s.

[@Sotanath86q]

the game itself simply is not good enough to stand on it's own when played online without the models

[@ianhogben3472]

thank you brother while i do enjoy painting the battle is the fun for me

[@stroym]

I went to check on the wiki why people were spamming that Custodes aren't Astartes (I guess they're not) and noticed that an admin added the "male and female" everywhere in the Custodes article and then disabled edits for anyone but admins. 😆

[@miguelantero6043]

These bastards have no shame

[@henrychurch6062]

Some of us remember when Orks were bright red, were marsupials who fed their young milk in a pouch, and were all about rage and killing and not cockney asexual mushrooms with loads of comic relief. Is this you guys' first retcon?

[@bobbycrosby9765]

@@henrychurch6062 some actual fans care, but most are only latching on to drive clicks because culture war ragebait gets the eyeballs. If someone cares so little about the lore they didn't know this about Custodes they have no right to complain.

[@drnobody1908]

The reason why you're not seeing it on their subreddit is because it's being heavily monetized GW is going so far as to ban people's emails from all forms of the official media who openly speak negatively of the change in their subreddit or other official pages.

[@jimmytto]

I'll go a schizo paranoid step further and say that this is a preemptive attack on Henry Cavil's Warhammer adaptation.

[@hamiltonaraujoleite4049]

Today some articles came out slandering Cavill and his plans for the project so... I think you are getting to something my friend.

[@davidsabolek7384]

It honestly might be. What is insane is that people are getting banned off of Reddit without even a chance to engage in any sort of debate over it. If you voice a concern, you're just gone...

[@Dual_Ralle]

Oh yeah they're definitely gonna be adding in female custodians in the live-action adaptation now. Wouldn't surpise me at all if that was the ultimate goal of this.

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

@@davidsabolek7384 stop talking about that angst teen website like anyone's opinions there even matter, that site is as woke as it can get and even gets triggered by the word, no normal person should have to deal with that

[@Thor-Orion]

That was one of my first thoughts. They want to tie some unwanted character around his shows neck like a millstone because they know Henry’s show will be a positive show for men. They really want men demoralized, for obvious reasons, and 40k is pretty well loved by men across the spectrum of their interests, hobbies and occupations. The videogames were played by people who have never collected or played tabletop (high monetary investment being required to play even a moderately sized battle makes the hobby a bit inaccessible to many). My brother and I both started playing young, he’s a lawyer now, I’m an electrician. We both still collect and play when we can, but 3-D printers have changed how we collect and expanded the kinds of tabletop we play; for instance I collect a lot of historic armies now and my brother does a lot of tanks and ships and such.

[@berndschnuller6326]

i remember when amazon signed the new 40k show, henry cavill said he ensured contractually that the lore would be respected. so i guess a strong reason to change the lore was so amazon can force female custodes into the show.

[@crusaderofni]

How else will they have a love interest that's strong and powerful in a story a love interest is completely out of place? Gotta get the Cavill cheeks out for the ratings. Classic industry shenanigans. At least Cavill is willing to stand against it. Hope he still has a career after though.

[@sandorcastle]

Exactly. He said he would respect the lore, so they changed the lore.

[@DirtyDadJokes]

“There are *four* lights.” Capt. Jean Luc Picard

[@Ladykyra101]

🖖🏾😂

[@catpotter7208]

Can you explain for a potato?

[@jesse3086]

100 fucking percent.

[@slb797]

@@catpotter7208star trek next generation. Cpt Picard was being tortured, he could see 4 lights. The torturer said if he said there were 3 lights, the torture would stop at least for a while

[@hmmm348]

I could actually see myself using this. It's punchy and packs a lot of information in the one phrase.

[@Inngrimm]

The problem with the subreddit is that mods are banning people who are fully against it no matter the reasoning. The farthest you can go is "It upsets me but it doesn't change the game" if you say anything about it changing the universe they've crafted, how it just completely goes against lore, etc. You'll get banned on the spot. So the general consensus found on the reddit is fully fabricated.

[@KpaBaPa]

GW needs to realise 3D printers exist and people were not printing their armies in large because of loyalty to Warhammer. This is about to change, good luck selling your extremely expensive plastic armies to the alphabet mob.

[@chrishudson9525]

100% my thoughts exactly.

[@Der_Iago]

Competitive players already use printers a lot, this is going on for years. Miniature fans and fluffbunnies wont cause its not the point to have any model but to build and paint the original. GW is a weird company but the fans are loyal. This right now is not even close to when old world shut down. The game/company is bigger than ever.

[@deamnis]

It's a cult

[@timothyblazer1749]

​@@Der_Iago I wouldn't be so sure. This is bigger than you think.

[@dannyboy5008]

$80-$100+ for basic starter sets plus paint plus their rule books and codexes is a HUGE ask from a company that regularly disrespects the ip and their fans.

[@silversurfer8818]

I would rather have GW abandon the idea of making live action, than having amazon perverting almost 40 years of lore.

[@PlainBoredom]

'perverting' old lore? like those 40 year old female space marines models? tyranids being a bunch of alien races working together? necrons being soulless with no characters? necrona being chaos androids? this doesn't even pervert real lore implications, it's a minor retcon which doesn't really conflict. & many of the bigger retcons where good. & if you don't think so, go to the planet birmingham with inquisitior sherlock obiwan cluso

[@TR8RA33A3IN]

I mean they adapted Fallout well recently, a huge step up from the RoP.

[@leonrussell9607]

​@@TR8RA33A3INno, they really messed up basic stuff in the fallout show

[@Zakading]

​@@leonrussell9607 Except none of the supposed retcons and screw ups retcon anything of any significance, at least no more than any new entry to any long story screws up things

[@leonrussell9607]

@@Zakading apparently ghouls are immune to any sort of damage to the body now and can regenerate lost limbs Power armour has a weakness in the chest piece which is just stupid The NCR is just gone and shady sands is now in the boneyard for some reason

[@nunyabisniz8047]

on facebook groups and twitter threads, people are claiming to have been banned from reddit for posting about it. In fact, there are new subs dedicated to the players who were banned

[@RS-ef2ow]

Share the subs

[@Wingsoficarus9868]

It’s because they where being uncivil and some where just down right sexist I saw someone the ones that taken down. And there’s still a lot of them up.

[@nunyabisniz8047]

@@RS-ef2ow sorry, was looking for them as well, it seems I cant find the tweet that mentioned them

[@arzelleus]

I love the Sisters of Battle, but I don't like this change to the lore. Clearly, its not that I don't want women in 40K.

[@fonzdevries4575]

14:18 "...I don't think this is always true..." It is always true, when you give an inch...superman becomes gay, the little mermaid becomes black, thor becomes a woman etc...

[@RhysCallinan-bv1wi]

It is never enough. Give them an inch and they will take a mile. They'll always want more. You either hold the line or you endlessly have to give ground until you are drowning in the sea of death.

[@olafthebear2327]

And along the way they'll call you every word in the dictionary that ends with -ist or -phobe. We've seen this song and dance a thousand times

[@cmike123]

@@olafthebear2327 because you are...

[@jondiaz3329]

@@cmike123 No it's actually projection. You're inherently ist-aphobic and you think of the world in terms of power dynamics between gender/race and lack the ability to think of it in any other way outside of that so you project your own bias and prejudice onto other people, create a caricature of an enemy that doesn't really exist and then fight against it like a full blown schizo/cult member.

[@jondiaz3329]

@@cmike123 That's projection. The lens through which that side looks at the world is so narrow that they have to project their own bias onto others, create a caricature of an enemy that doesn't exist and then fight against it.

[@psychzach1588]

Vanguard and Blackrock are majority shareholders in GW and this happens. What a shock.

[@Volvith]

11.5% of the shares for those interested. Blackrock 6.56%, Vanguard 4.94%. The next largest shareholder is Baillie Gifford, an investment firm, holding 11.16% of the shares. VG/BR together are the largest shareholder; This is public information you can look up. They're taking over our hobby.

[@DMHR100]

Watch out, they're going to call you a conspiracy theorist, or even anti-semitic.

[@psychzach1588]

@@DMHR100 "they" lmao

[@tunaboatz2431]

Gotta get that ESG money

[@ChrisThornettofEarth]

What's the context, please? Do they have DEI requirements for investment or something?

[@cyberwolf2l967]

Never give a bully what they want because it’ll never be enough.

[@allanturmaine5496]

Pierce Brosnan taught us that in his Academy-snubbed masterpiece "The World is not Enough."

[@kielpogi8062]

It reminds me of that one time when the world let a certain Austrian extremist leader claim land just to not start another great war

[@Twaggo]

"I might be crazy, but I don't think I'm wrong" fuckin spoken word poet. Beautiful.

[@VDViktor]

So when will GW introduce male Sororitas? Where’s the equality?

[@igorthelight]

;-)

[@MrLuzakman]

...there are males in Sororitas. In leading positions that is.

[@MysticTroll]

Misters of Battle?

[@johnwalker3602]

@@MrLuzakman No there aren't.

[@evanhuizenga8626]

​@@MrLuzakmanSource? Examples?

[@BohdanKaiba]

As someone who lurks the subreddit everyday for cool pictures of models, I can confirm I seen people get banned for writing the word "sigh" or using quotations around the word women in post about pride marines.

[@daringdarius5686]

"sigh" Women ☕ But fr though, people who ban others for saying aren't right in the head.

[@Anthyrion]

I don't even try to discuss this matter on a 40k subreddit anymore. I only wrote, that i never heard about female Custodes before and got almost 100 downvotes because of that. Most of my subreddits are ok, but in my 40k subreddit it seems, that nearly everyone is ok with that kind of change. Which means, it is only a matter of time, until Amazon writes female Astartes into the lore and if GW still wants to make it's Warhammer series, it has to bow and do as Amazon says.

[@koreancowboy42]

​@Anthyrion Because Female Custodians WERENT a THING. Anything cool, amazing and popular, and powerful, glorious looking, they throw women into it. Custodians being one of them.

[@mountain.spider]

YUP. I see it all the time to. Topic gets brought up, banned or downvoted to oblivion.

[@libertyprime2013]

I got my wife into Warhammer and she’s feeling burned because much of her relatively new Age of Sigmar army got nuked in the new update. She also got into dark angels and 40K.. and she’s more angry about the femstodes than I am. (I’m kinda indifferent to it, it’s more the reason why they’re doing that bugs me). My son can paint but is too young to play, and even some of the models we got him were nuked lol. We have a large backlog and need to save money anyways. So in a way it’s a blessing in disguise. If they get their shit together maybe we’ll invest in them again

[@CrzyLion]

10:12 this is what they always do though. the moment WOTC retconned orcs to avoid any comparisons to dnd orc lore and african american lore... what theyre implying is that the fans were actually racist for liking the lore. as if we were secretly enacting racist fantasies on orcs or something when they gender/raceswapped half the cast of The Sandman, theyre implying the original work, that had a huge cult following because it is the best comic book ever written, was actually sexist and racist, despite it being hugely progressive even by today's standards, 30 years after it was published. when the new lotr show has black elves, what theyre implying is that you were racist for liking the original books and movies. this is (part of) why it will always inherently piss fans off, because the change implies that youre a bigot for liking the original.

[@tannerfuhr2598]

To be fair, you make valid points. But a “black elf”? lol come on. How about an elf character that just happens to be played by a black Person? It’s possible! No racist angst against you, but who cares what actor plays a role. Like, for some reason we use to ban women from even acting in plays and thought the better idea was to make the men dress up to play the role. Hindsight., doesn’t make sense right lol.

[@music79075]

​@@tannerfuhr2598 because the way that those specific elves were created made their skin light. Those specific elves were created and old before the first sun rose in the sky. It was night and they were described as being pale like the moon. There ARE Black elves and they have a story and lore and the two are considered Elves and neither the lesser. The butchery of the lore comes from not caring enough to include them and instead alter one of the others. It shows disdain towards what was already established.

[@Morfe02]

I LOVE how WOTC deleted half-races because is racist They end racism by ending mix-racing AMAZING genius

[@tannerfuhr2598]

@@music79075 did they alter the Lore of that race to accommodate a black actor? From what I can look up, it’s a no. Seems like they changed a lot sure, character ideologies etc. I mean, the beauty that is Peter Jackson’s trilogy changed moments from the books, as did game of thrones, and do many others. Believe me, there’s much out there in the argument that I agree with, but just try to understand how people perceive the “anger” of many of these types of complaints as vulgar or whatever cause it’s based on the skin colour of the actor who played the role. I’m not assuming you are or ever have been one to judge a person based on race, merely hoping to bring sense as to why some will perceive it as so. Every tiny little piece of stories, movies, games, tales, you name it, was written (mostly) to suit the times they were written. When you attempt to adapt those tales into modern times, things will be different. Agreed, not all changes are ideal. You’re not wrong, where we (both sides of an argument) often get it wrong is the outrage in reaction. Cause I think we both know, outrage sells lol. It’s content. And this world is all about content. Good or bad sadly.

[@sanra255]

You've got 15 missed calls from Adepta Sororitas.

[@Connor-ONeill]

"The only reward for loyalty is betrayal."- Lufgt Huron.

[@AdamBlade17]

14:05 Notice how Asmon's initial knee-jerk reaction was to defend the culture revolutionaries by saying stuff like "It's not always like that", and yet when thinking about his own direct experience with games like WoW he realized that, actually, that's *_exactly_* how it always is...

[@Thalanox]

Too many people still think that these cultural revolutionaries are acting in good faith, or that they're sane and have reasonable values. The depth of threat that they represent is not understood. I worry at how bad we're going to have to let things get before enough people get a clue to start reforming civilization.

[@EyePatchGuy88]

He is a tool.

[@skeletor4062]

It's also important to note that on Reddit people are being banned for "violating community standards" for calling out the the company not only for the retcon, but the gas-lighting.

[@webvixdarklove7551]

Skeletor, genuinely, what do you mean “gaslighting?”

[@GenericProtagonist7]

​@@webvixdarklove7551 "There have always been female Custodes." That's a lie designed to rewrite the past to trick people, which is known as "gaslighting".

[@skeletor4062]

@@webvixdarklove7551 When someone asked where these female custodes came from on reddit and twitter their reply was, "There have always been female custodes since the first of the 10,000." Which is a blatant lie delivered in such a way as to make people believe, "we've always been at war with southeast asia".

[@aidanmagill6769]

Gaslighting - trying to convince someone of the truth of something which is untrue and/or that they are crazy for thinking otherwise. eg "There have always been female Custodes." Personally I took that as GW having a subtle pop at themselves and how the lore has been retconned multiple times and how the new truths have always been true.

[@aidanmagill6769]

Who still uses the sub reddit? The mods have always been activists.

[@PentaRaus]

Chaos has infected everything else, why not the warhammer.

[@davidjurgs9257]

Warhammer fans are caring, Reddit has been actively shutting and banning accounts that are complaining about this.

[@Shadowiff]

Most of Warhammer fans don't care and just sit on the fence. They have a strong bias against anything remotely negative about it

[@JGD714]

Was looking for this comment. "People on Reddit don't care" because the ones that cared get banned.

[@Wingsoficarus9868]

@@JGD714because they were not being civil

[@JGD714]

@@Wingsoficarus9868 oh please. Only if "not being civil" means disagreeing with lefties and feminists. Huh. I suppose to the lefty mods just saying you disagree with the retcon and the way it was handled IS not being civil.

[@uptop377]

​@@Wingsoficarus9868bro Reddit is last place that I would call civil

[@thelordzenkai]

Remember when they used to complain about gatekeeping and now they no longer do, makes u think

[@steamfeuver]

Don't need to gatekeep warhammer, it's already one of the most gatekeep franchise lol.

[@Bakanlink]

​@@steamfeuver wasn't gatekeep enough it seems

[@just-linx8271]

They didn't hold the gates enough.

[@Neman1007]

“Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made” .

[@voodooozo3755]

J.R.R Tolkien

[@yahoody1978]

Blackrock and Vanguard are majority shareholders of Games Workshop. This should explain everything you need to know about the direction they are going.

[@FrenchyMcToast]

People "don't care" on the subreddit because you're not _allowed_ to care on the subreddit.

[@Loxen86]

Of course this is a majority issue of subreddit in general. This type of ideology has strongholds in all forms of Internet communication now adays

[@eatinganemone89]

Or you’re just too high on copium to consider the idea that “woman≠bad”. Maybe, just maybe, you’re treating this like a problem when it isn’t actually one. Maybe other people besides you, should be allowed to enjoy a hobby.

[@AUScorpion]

@@eatinganemone89 Nothing is stopping anyone from enjoying the hobby, besides price. If one cannot get into a game because they can't find a representative of their boring ass existence in every facet of it, then maybe the problem is not the medium.

[@Loxen86]

Voicing a concern and then promptly being removed or silenced forcefully for a period of time isn't "a problem" that isn't one in my humble opinion. But call me old fashioned. Freedom of speech is often one sided these days.

[@eatinganemone89]

@@AUScorpion and I mostly agree with you that you shouldn’t need to be part of the same demographic as a character or group to enjoy them. For instance, I like Miles Morales even though I’m a man so white I should be legally classified as a saltine, but that doesn’t stop me from liking him as a character. But I can also see why some people seeing someone that’s a part of their demographic being in this group would probably make them gravitate towards wanting to try them out. So I can at least see the appeal. What matters most is that they’re written well, and from what I’ve heard, Kesh (that’s the Femstodes name for anyone who didn’t know) is a pretty good character, or at least she doesn’t come off as the stereotypical “girl boss” character they expect us to love, but fail to make likable.

[@HalfTangible]

3:19 Space Marines have two hearts, along with an extra lung, a mettallic underskin, enhanced eyes, fast-acting healing cells, even a new portion of the brain, I think there's 14 different implants (12 original +2 added by Cawl). Geneseed (the organic component used to create these organs) is rare and there's only so much of it. Each Space Marine is also injected with two progenoid glands, each of which can make a new marine. The rarity of geneseed is the limiting factor, not the candidates. I will note, however, that Custodes are not space marines and do not use geneseed. Rather, they are taken at infancy and modified through alchemical processes to be the absolute peak of human performance, each an individual and unique work of art. Their process hasn't been fully explored, so it COULD work on women, but the Ten Thousand were recruited from "Terra's noble sons".

[@webvixdarklove7551]

Oh yeah, space marines only being male makes complete sense, you’d probably want as specific a baseline as you can get when using Geneseed. Custodes on the other hand, I’d honestly imagine it’d be a case where their selection criteria is just based on who has the most flexible and sturdy genes, to allow the metric fuck ton of augmentation done to them on a case by case basis. Really that’s why I have no issues with female Custodes, the only lore it “breaks” is minor blurbs where Custodes are referred to with He/Him pronouns, which are so minor it could honestly just be handwaved in lore as “the scribes only used he and him to save ink” (like what happened in the FFG TTRPG rules)

[@HalfTangible]

@@webvixdarklove7551 They're also referred to as a Brotherhood of demigods. As men. As an all-male force. This is not a small, insignificant detail mentioned in a single chapter of a book published 20 years ago.

[@webvixdarklove7551]

@@HalfTangible Brotherhood doesn’t mean all the members have to be men (thank god for that, Brotherhood of [Blank] is such a cool starting title for an organization), and which lore refer to them as all male fighting forces?

[@HalfTangible]

@@webvixdarklove7551 Considering the wiki changed it to 'Order' of demigods that falls flat. "Which stories" All of them. Whether by implication or by flat-out saying they were recruited from noble sons, or when the Emperor referred to them as men.

[@webvixdarklove7551]

@@HalfTangible ah damn someone changed the Wiki? Yeah no I agree “Order” has a much worse ring to it. And yeah the Emperor referring to His Custodes as “Men” was originally just because they were a group of men, but given his focus on Humanity it wouldn’t be entirely out of the question to just say He meant “Men” as “Humans”. Or in the same way that a commander might talk about their troops as “My Men” And hasn’t the lore on them coming from noble families changed? Now isn’t it a secret where they get Custodes recruits?

[@Lachlanjmcd]

I'll need an army of "Misters of Battle" to counterract this madness. 😢

[@rklkify]

nongendered of battle

[@misstayco4492]

They/Them Marines

[@ChristinaStarlight]

The arco-flagellants are male

[@roastbeef4918]

Gothic Armada on roids

[@Trayzentheinfinite]

@@ChristinaStarlightreally?

[@20x20]

Gatekeeping is good for artistic integrity but bad for sales

[@sfteevee8303]

These people will never buy Warhammer. How can you say this post concord?

[@jonathanadams5903]

'I have altered the lore, pray I do not alter it further.' I mean the issue isn't really that it changed, things have changed before. The issue is that everyone knows why they made the change, but the company would rather gaslight it's fans than give them a straight answer.

[@DeosPraetorian]

They made the change for money

[@RhysCallinan-bv1wi]

​@@DeosPraetorianBlackrock money, to be more thorough. 40k fans will dip out of buying their stuff even more thanks to this.

[@DeosPraetorian]

@@RhysCallinan-bv1wi And just like just about every other time people got mad at a company because they went "woke" for more money. It won't actually matter and the company will be fine. I think you're overestimating how many people care and underestimating how many people don't give a fuck about it

[@cmike123]

The issue isnt that it changed? Then why are yall crying? They made space marines into women because they wanted to. That is the straight answer.

[@olesams]

I can't wait for female Darth Vader. Darth Vadris

[@josephjackson4312]

"Slippery slope" being a fallacy is only said by people who will take a mile if given an inch.

[@SgtTeddybear66]

Exactly. Slippery Slope is not a fallacy at all.

[@josephjackson4312]

@@SgtTeddybear66 I think this also falls under mob mentality. Sure, the one person given an inch might be satisfied and wont want to take a mile, but we are dealing with an online mob of countless people. Once one inch is given, somebody somewhere will want the second inch, and that will keep happening as long as the mob exists.

[@squirrelsyrup1921]

@@josephjackson4312 that's why their rule is: slippery slopes for me, but not for thee"

[@MinosML]

​​@@SgtTeddybear66Slippery Slope is the informal name of an actual logical fallacy. Stop spreading misinformation. Now, just because it's a fallacy does it mean it's impossible for it to be right? Nope, it's just not valid in a formal logical argumentation, but totally valid in the practical sense when exercising simple pattern recognition as any normal person can do. Some arguments can be logically consistent and still be false, and some can be born from a fallacy but still be right. It's not set in stone, really, they're mainly about logic.

[@Napski_]

As a former loyal Star Wars fan, I can sympathize with loyal Warhammer fans.

[@WillofDD]

Same

[@petewisdom1984]

So someone who "wrongly perceived themselves as a loyal fanatic but with recent changes and management now no longer view themselves as such" is a long winded explanation to say the exact same thing. No need to be autistic about it

[@WillofDD]

​@@HelloHello33333No, that's not how that works. A thing you're loyal to can absolutely betray your loyalty (history is full of leaders wgo betray the loyalty of their people, see certain Roman leaders.)

[@WillofDD]

​@@HelloHello33333You should really look up the term, "disillusionment."

[@Brandon-ff1yo]

@@HelloHello33333 you are just using unnecessarily complex words to sound smart, you can absolutely be a former loyalist, there simply needs to be a change, internal or external, usually a critical component causing the loyalty, like if one were to be loyal to someone because of the expectation of trust with any shared secrets, were this trust to be broken, thus severing the bond, they would become a "former" loyalist, thus the word "disillusionment", they were loyal to that person, due to an expectation of a certain trust, once reality became clear or the lack of an illusion ie. "Disillusionment", they would not be loyal to them, they may be still loyal to the former idea of that person, if someone exactly like that were to exist.

[@satishkpradhan]

"The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own." >>> you knoe the source.

[@onimcm]

This is what happens when companies mistake online activists for their customers.

[@cokeweasel1064]

Those online activists made their way into these companies

[@raphaelantoine7331]

DEI Slowly becoming the curse of every fantasy universe... After they ruined middle earth in rings of power, we can only hope they don't ruin Warhammer 40k series 😔

[@CubicIronPyrite]

DEI is the demon that prophecy has foretold.

[@Jet-ij9zc]

Every popular fantasy, superhero and sci-fi setting at this point. And then they wonder why more and more people move on to manga and anime

[@janklaassen6404]

D&D is properly ruined as well, but you can just play the old books and don't buy new releases.

[@sirkana]

@@janklaassen6404 No to even mention all the fan made content.

[@YummyCatgirlMilk]

​@@Jet-ij9zcmanga and anime have been more diverse than those forever.

[@ryangowin1988]

Trust me its a slippery slope. Im over 50 and looking back, we knocked the slippery slope idea too, but unfortunatelly we slid down the slope too far and there maybe no going back.

[@konstantinoskinnas789]

It is not so much like a slipery slope, but something like the following. Consider a sociery that has 4 groups(A,B,C and D) and now consider a position, lets say gay rights. Lets assume that group A wants homo supremacy, group B wants equality, group C wants lgbtq to be second class citizens and group D wants to kill all lgbtq people. If the status quo of the society is at the position B(equal rights and stuff) group B will try to preserve it there, while group A will start trying to push it to the left, and at the same time groups C and D will try to push it the right. The whole situation is like a rope and in this scenario unlikely allies can unite, because the current position of society is on the other side, but once the achieve victory, then they can turn against their former allies. I think to a degree this was the uneasy alliance between liberals(social democrats in particular) and socialists. Once liberals won specific points they turned on their former allies and they are now trying to preserve the status quo, while you have socialists who are trying to go further and conservatives, classical liberals and libertarians(even nazis) from the other side trying to push the rope in the other direction. The thing that conservatives are saying "see I told you they would not stop" does not make any sense using this lence, because everyone wants the rope to be at a specific point, so yes socialists would never stop pushing, but if you had 2 braincells you would already know that from the beginning. I think this is also the explanation as to why people like Asmon(who is around that camp) is turning on now turning against this woke stuff.

[@winstonsmith8482]

Slippery slope "fallacy" is a non-arguement. Slippery slopes do in fact exist lol...

[@alejandromaldonado6159]

​@@konstantinoskinnas789I like your logic here.

[@pdpMASTERP]

As a massive 40k fan I could care less if space marines are female. BUT Adeptus Sororitas are THE COOLEST female warriors and characters in any universe. Women already have amazing representation in 40k and have for awhile. But more power to them if the Adeptus Mechanicus figured out how to turn women into space marines. Totally cool with that