The BBC Finally Admit How

[@AS-by8ee]

I cannot even describe the level of contempt in which I hold for this once great broadcaster. BBC, your days are numbered.

[@amandahudson2038]

Your reputation revocable tarnished.. useless untrustworthy for news and can not even provide decent entertainment.. two is the lot of em.

[@amandahudson2038]

BBc going down th pan rapidly.

[@michaelyoung6247]

Absolutely agree with you.

[@Veeger]

Torys managed to destroy the integrity of the bbc and it's "news" channel. Oh yes and the economy of the UK, freedom of movement for citizens and businesses such as my own.

[@andrewthomasfinney752]

...BBC, your days are numbered. (Not for at least 5 years)

[@KansasStorm72]

Just remember. The more people that cancel, the less chance of getting a visit. 😉😉😉😉

[@jeffknott1975]

They can visit me all they like I don't answer my door to cold callers and my family/friends/neighbours know to shout my name in emergencies.

[@denseljosephs9500]

Shout a nickname instead it's best to stay anonymous ​@jeffknott1975

[@aw4453]

More that cancel more chance the fee will be bundled into council tax

[@pjkaf1346]

@@aw4453they can’t bundle it into council tax because there’s lots of people who genuinely don’t require a licence

[@LupaDomina]

​@@aw4453if they do that they can send me to prison at the taxpayers expense. I will pay every other part except the % due for TV. They can do one. It will cost more to imprison me, re-home me, and pay for my lifelong benefits (because who will hire an old criminal?) than just change to a bloody subscription service.

[@frankielov]

Don’t need a tv licence My tv works very well without One. ☝🏽

[@SkadiandNjord]

Mine too, come on everyone join us

[@frankielov]

@@SkadiandNjord😊👍🏽

[@brigidsingleton1596]

😂 What is a TV ?! Is it like my Tablet...?

[@frankielov]

@@brigidsingleton1596 tv 📺 something you watch, tablet 💊 something you swallow 🤠

[@AlanGChenery]

​@@frankielov The word tablet as a hand held rectangle you write on, read, and erase is ironically far older than it's application to anything pharmaceutical.

[@lisianthus4558]

It's a bit like scammers who ring 100 people in the hope that one or two will answer the call and fall for the scam!

[@Scripture-Man]

Well, it's not though. They actually know if you have a licence or not.

[@AkiraFurball]

@@Scripture-Man they dont actually know it you watch tv or not, so it IS a numbers game that they play

[@TheRealRedAce]

And equally criminal IMO!

[@LindaLord-nr9pr]

... just a bit . 😁

[@divinemagicwithourownspani2865]

When I cancelled my mothers tv license 4 years ago due to her not being able to watch tv as she had gone blind and had Parkinson’s and dementia they told me she will have to renew within a year as there could’ve been changes!!!!!! Crazy . Then she had another letter threatening her saying they knew she had been watching tv !!! By this time she had been bedridden and passed away a month later . I contacted them and no apologies whatsoever ! Twats!!!!

[@jimst3r1]

Should sue them for harassment

[@joelarama]

WTF! That is DISGUSTING. How vile of the BBC to cause you such unnecessary distress.

[@oukie666]

Sorry to read this about your mum, absolutely disgusting behaviour by the BBC, but shocking as this is, it's not really a surprise.

[@bigfrankfraser1391]

i came home from afghanistan to find out the bbc had fined me for not having a license, despite the fact i live alone and had been away in the army for 12 months, and they kept increasing the fine over the last 7 months of my tour, when i provided records of this, they claimed i was faking my military service, so i sent them a photo of a 18 inch shard of glass in my liver that a field medic later pulled out of me while in a helicopter, at which point they told me i didnt need ot pay the fine

[@GerfPimp]

I have never understood why after all the horrendous, and continuing scandals, the BBC, are not just a distant memory.

[@richdeering9580]

I believe it’s because they are an integral part of the corrupt, Godless, lying, system which believes itself to have the right to control, (and ride rough shod over), humanity. I, for one, DISAGREE.

[@AbsolvedSoul]

Friends in high places and promotes the government lies.

[@alangriffiths2100]

@@GerfPimp yes a very convenient platform for the left wing propagandists.

[@sapien82]

could say the same for westminster

[@peterswires8439]

You need to pay fhe BBC via the licence even if you just watch commercial TV. Imagine Tesco demanding money from you because you shop at Sainsbury's.

[@Dzeroed]

Love this, been saying similar for years, deserves to be at the top 👌

[@rootyroot]

100% I like to use the analogy of.. Imagine Google demand payment because you have the internet and "could" access Google.

[@geodun]

BBC is owned by the government. When you shop at Sainsbury's the government demand you pay VAT. Not much different really. BOHICA. While Brits continue to vote for public this and public that then the government will keep devising ways to collect the money to pay for it all. Apparently free stuff is very addictive and Brits are addicted to apparently free stuff. Nothing is really free, someone always pays. Imagine a car insurance company that covered cars driven in a demolition derby every week. Would you pay for a policy from them for your daily driver? That is what the NHS is doing, taking your money to fix up drunks, smokers, drug addicts, unhealthy fat bastards and all manner of people living dangerously when they get sick.

[@daveofyorkshire301]

@@peterswires8439 No, it's live broadcast TV that you are paying the license fee for, regardless of who it is. If it's live, or the BBC in any form (excluding video tapes/DVD) you are required under penalty of law to pay the licence fee. However, if you do not watch live broadcast TV or any BBC online or broadcast you can legally not buy a license. Don't fill any of their forms in online or postal. Simply write to them, and instruct them to remove your details from their database. Signing any form online or postal contracts the two-yearly renewal notice. Don't sign a form and you are not a customer and they have no legitimate reason to retain your data. Use the system against them. It's the only way. I've not been contacted since I stopped years ago... They shouldn't have any of my information, so if they contact me, they are in breach of the data protection act.

[@davepfizer]

That is a great analogy. We should all be using it! Perhaps your own biased and corrupt MP should see that too!

[@bertstevens5368]

I would not watch any bbc shit that’s why I don’t pay for it

[@MrDaiseymay]

YOU ARE BARRED FROM WATCHING ALL, ''LIVE'', TV.

[@nicholaspostlethwaite9554]

That is why I gave it up years ago. Realised I watched next to none of their content. Basically the news and that is full of biases. Even more so it had become not the way I watched anything on their broadcast timetables. Nonsense of waiting a week for the next episode. Only at a time and day they put it out.

[@95Gabe]

I can say without doubt that your sentence is an absolute lie. Unless, of course, you don't watch TV at all?

[@Dave-r4u]

Ditto times 10

[@AlmostBipedal]

Even the likes of David A now spout sh!te with every sentence they utter. Why should we pay for such verbal propaganda?

[@petewood8408]

It beggars belief how we are still having to pay for something we don't want!!!!

[@rcm616-j5t]

You don't have to though. Who's making you pay for something you don't want?

[@MikeEves]

If you paid it's because you wanted to. No other reason.

[@user-tk7kz1fl2r]

I haven't had a licence for over 15 years. No one is making you pay for it. The rules are very clear as to who needs a TV licence. If you watch TV within the rules that require a licence, that's by choice, and a licence is required.

[@linking-it]

​because he though he had to.@@MikeEves

[@kevinthegerbil2708]

But, you are missing out on the very talented humour. Foe example......er...um ..oh..Len Henry...and.........maybe not.

[@maureenbrown6610]

It is about time the licence fee is cancelled and the BBC disbanded completely. Plenty of other tv companies now.

[@john07973]

The Labour Govt will be throwing them more money.

[@andrewthomasfinney752]

How would the left get their skewed messages across then?

[@NeilCoatsChamberlain]

The Labour Gov have a short term contract as well

[@garrybowers414]

If I get a letter for the legal occupier, it goes straight in the bin

[@user-zu6qn9ux9n]

My letters come to the “proprietor or manager” 😂

[@Shonno77]

I return mine with a note on the envelope.... No-one named "The legal occupier" at this address. RETURN TO SENDER.

[@patruddick]

how do the know your name ,they sent my elderly ftiend one it was posted with her name and address on it

[@UKVampy]

It'd be interested in returning it and say I'm the illegal occupier.

[@vatsmith8759]

This always confused me, surely illegal occupiers also have to pay the licence fee?

[@Pan2fire]

Their threat letters are illegal and Royal Mail are enabling it. They really think I have to bow down to them. It's quite extraordinary.

[@windy33a]

royal mail as a common carrier has no way of knowing the contents of envelopes so are obliged to deliver any addressed item

[@Phoenix2312]

@@windy33a Indeed True... And even if they are aware of the contents - TV License Letters are quite obvious... As are the MANY pieces of Junk Mail I receive... They have a Legal Duty to deliver the Mail to any address that is on the envelope. @Pan2fire And "Their Threat Letters are Illegal" - NO, That is also INCORRECT! They are totally LEGAL! Misleading and Tantamount to "demanding Money with Menaces" - Absolutely! But none the less they are LEGAL! They are in law "Circulars"... They do not require a response... You are not legally obliged to respond, but they are legal methods of gathering information to support a valid and accurate database... Which in turn helps them enforce the Law. Only by sending such letters can they assess if a Property may or may not be Vacant... Thats is why you find you get a letter once a month! It is cheaper to send a Shitty Letter than it is to send someone to Monitor and check every Household in the country! REMEMBER - They have NO ACTUAL LEGAL POWERS EXCEPT TO ENSURE ANY PROPERTY THAT IS USING TV SERVICE IS VALIDLY LICENSED! Crapita and the Bleedin' Bodge-Up Company HAVE NO LEGAL ACCESS to any Housing Databases to see if a Property is or is Not Vacant! They either have to Physically visit every single property in the UK... Which despite many Staff, They could NOT cover every single address even just looking at Windows to see who has Curtains or Blinds up in a SINGLE MONTH... And they would need to as Vacant Properties are normally occupied within a Single month... Or do what they are doing... Sending Letters in hopes of a response! Neither Capita nor the BBC can afford the staff to visit every single property! So letters it is... Thats their best option... It shows it is their best option... I have been in my home now 10 Years... NEVER HAD A SINGLE TV LICENSE VISIT! Even though I am in a major city and there will be many chances of earning Commission I am in a Cul-De-Sac... And they dont like visiting them for some strange reason...

[@robtheplod]

Afraid its entirely legal as they dont address you by name

[@AkiraFurball]

@@robtheplod you can opt out of mail not addressed by name, the rm try to encourage you not to as government info mail would not then be delivered, given i have never once in 61 years ever seen a government info mail without a name (other than worthless election garbage, i don't think that's much of a loss

[@CharlieHarper-d4x]

​@@AkiraFurball can that be done online?

[@cornovii3012]

Wouldn't watch BBC if they paid me, not giving any support or my viewing time to a corporation that employs PDF files, simples.

[@tazmaniachill]

Same here, don’t need it, don’t want it, more added to my list weekly… rbl the latest.

[@tazmaniachill]

Great share what they like, my email doesn’t exist.

[@Pan2fire]

PDF files are persecuted. Please stop with the bullying.

[@markfox1545]

You can't spell 'paid'. No one cares what you think.

[@cornovii3012]

@@markfox1545 So you defend the likes of Jimmy Savile, maybe your hard drive needs checking.

[@laceandwhisky]

Never used BBC iPlayer and its been twenty plus years i have watched BBC. Didnt need a licence either we watched it on a ship. Just say no thanks, don't get wound up about it. Just say no thanks and shut door

[@WeAreTheUnhappyMajority]

My conscious is clear, I haven't watch live, or recorded any liveTV or watched BBC iplayer on any device since I stopped paying BBC tax a year ago.

[@nicholaspostlethwaite9554]

Me too. I do not cheat. But it has been a lot longer so long I cannot recall when it was. lol.

[@davidbetts9332]

@nicholaspostlethwaite9554 it's not cheating it's a protest against an unfair tax.

[@HillbillyYEEHAA]

Same. Don't watch anything but dvds... don't legally need one

[@robtheplod]

Same here.. easy to do as nothing worth watching...

[@AkiraFurball]

@@robtheplod you are missing out on all the repeats and stuff people watched 20 years ago XD

[@BloodSkullzRock]

I got another one of those 'let us know if you're still not watching tv or pay if you are' letters. Immediately in the bin. I've told them before, I'm not wasting my time telling them again.

[@Electrowave]

Yep, they stand out a mile from my other letters, so straight in the bin without opening. I had a lovely red envelope with a window last time 🙂

[@davidhardaker192]

It's on a biannual loop. Just ignore.

[@RS-or8sh]

I genuinely don't need a licence. I refuse to play their passive aggressive games & inform them every 2 yrs that I still don't need one. I've told them once I don't legally need to keep repeating my info. I get a letter from them every month. It's harassing ,bullying behaviour ,How can they get away with it

[@davidhardaker192]

@@RS-or8sh the letters stop eventually as they must get the message that it's a waste of resources. I've been license free for over 20 years. I've had one visit in the early years.

[@The_Penguin_Overlord]

Legally TV License Free Since 2007.

[@MikeEves]

Legally gun licence free since 1984

[@PlantbasedRunners]

@@The_Penguin_Overlord Totally Free since 2012

[@kevinthegerbil2708]

@@MikeEves Fishing rod licence free for 35 years. Top that. And no visits about it.

[@Electrowave]

TV licence free since 2000(ish).

[@Electrowave]

@@MikeEves Gun licence free since 1965 🙂

[@Veeger]

I'm never answering their disrespectful letters that can't even address me personally. I object to being called the "occupier". Should I be calling them "the oppressor"?

[@localbod]

Yes, definitely.

[@AkiraFurball]

Anything that is not addressed to me by name is not sent to me, so it's none of my damn business and goes right in the bin. I am not reading other people's mail, that's just creepy af!

[@bitsandbobs4082]

No one else could get away with letters like that I've kept mine hoping for a class action lawsuit one day

[@VeronicaChapmanFMOTL]

"An Occupier" is someone who has invaded, and taken control of somewhere, BY FORCE. For example the way the United States OCCUPIED Iraq. Unless you took over your premises BY FORCE you are simply a Dweller, not an Occupier. Crapita don't understand the English Language. Personally speaking, I simply paid the rent to a Landlord. I didn't move in by gunpoint.

[@icdgyixify99]

No, you should send them back with a helpful suggestion.

[@jampy3885]

Ask for a Subject Access Request instead of FOIA. They have to give you anything related to you include internal emails and memos.

[@XRyanC179X]

There are exemptions they can use withhold information. Moreover, even if there are no exemptions that apply, they only need to provide information that can be used to identify the requester, not their internal workings.

[@badensnaxx5804]

A friend worked for the GPO, before it was broken up & the BBC parked it's detector vans in their car park when they were in the area. The post lads would let the tyres down & pull the valves out with pliers. Another time they loosened the oil drain nuts in the sump, causing engines to seize up. They were disliked way back in the 1980's as much as today.

[@WeAreThePeople1690]

Got a red one today, straight in the bin 😂😂

[@j0hnf_uk]

Oooh scary.

[@andymeadows2768]

@@WeAreThePeople1690 you mean we have the power

[@damienmcdonald7610]

So glad i never had a tv license. Had a few letters to which i didnt respond. One visit, i was polite but refused entry and told them i wont let unsolicited visitors in unkess they have a warrant for it. Never had another visit or letter in the 11 years ive lived here 🤣

[@willdixon2349]

Simple answer : - play a straight game - don't declare anything

[@antoniopalmero4063]

I’ve requested that they cease sending their tv signal onto my property but I’ve not had any response as yet .

[@windy33a]

As they have not replied to your letter you must start an investigation😂😂

[@templarseries]

Surround your house in lead then they can't hassle you.

[@johnbaldwin143]

No TV licence since Saville and never again!

[@linking-it]

that does not make any sense at all.

[@user-zu6qn9ux9n]

@@linking-itit makes total sense

[@Lisa-vy4ty]

Same here, but I have just received a letter from them asking me if I am still not watching the TV

[@pstanyer1]

you mean jimmy saville who was never convicted of any offence

[@johnbaldwin143]

@@Lisa-vy4ty They will ask you to confirm on-line. Read all the questions carefully as they have worde3d them specifically to catch you out!

[@RicStorm616]

Been licence free for over 5 years, I don't watch any live TV broadcasts at all or iplayer. Only using TV for a couple of streaming services, KZbin, dvd's and gaming. Won't watch anything on live broadcast as long as there's a TV Licence, scrap it now.

[@andymeadows2768]

@@RicStorm616 mine is almost 7 years now

[@alaska_uk1303]

My 2 year license exemption ran out at the end of September and I had to wait until yesterday for my first begging letter from TVL, standards must be slipping.

[@MikeEves]

What about your gun licence exemption? Has that run out too?

[@robtheplod]

Well done.... did you notice they forgot your name on the letter?

[@AndyM_323YYY]

So the "No License Needed" declaration is a means for Capita to get you to give them your personal data to help them harass you.

[@MikeEves]

Exactly. Imagine phoning the police and saying you don't have guns....

[@Lungdog]

Not really, i declare no license needed, and they can give my details to Capita, they will find nothing, because i don't use anything that needs a tv license.

[@BenRichards7]

@@LungdogWoooosh...

[@j0hnf_uk]

The, 'no licence needed', declaration is purely an indicator to earmark those who require special attention, i.e. an increase in targeted harassment in the form of threatening letters.

[@robtheplod]

Exactly.... the nln declaration gives them authorisation to keep your details, whereas if you just cancel your direct debit they forget your name.....

[@vickyshields1]

I've actually got an email from a few years back saying, "we have noticed you're not using your account. After whatever date they said, your account will be deleted.

[@andrewwilkins7823]

I had that, I let the account lapse as I never found anything worth watching. I Stopped watching live TV completely 2 years ago. Never looked back. After a couple of weeks I didn miss it.

[@nightowl7459]

I don't understand why anyone would want to watch the BBC iplayer? There's nothing worth watching on the BBC, stopped paying my license and delete the iplayer and even their other apps that I wouldn't have needed a license for, a deceitful corporation that I don't like, trust or respect.

[@Phoenix2312]

I dont know... They have some good shows on there... I used to watch Inside No. 9 at my Mothers... But now I am in my own place again and dont want a TV License... I have cannot watch it! I need to wait until all 9 Seasons are done and hope it gets released on DVD! (Or torrent it!) Sadly, The vast majority of Good BBC Tv Shows are also OLD... And now shown on the Subscription Service BritBox... So you wont even find them on iPlayer!

[@christopheredwards7846]

A lot worth watching for me. BBC 2 and 4 especially.

[@snakedaemongaming6590]

I haven't watched terrestrial TV since 2010 Haven't bother with any shows or movie that have been made since then

[@christopheredwards7846]

@@snakedaemongaming6590 I agree on movies...some great old movies to be found free on You tube.

[@captainhurricane5705]

You say that, but my wife watches crap on there all the time and I can't do anything about it. As for me, I don't watch tv at all.

[@puckinhell622]

I prefer to waste their time knocking on my door, so I can ignore them!

[@kevinthegerbil2708]

That's the way, maximum cost. Maximum free entertainment.

[@ep1929]

A non responder / communicator is their worst nightmare.

[@beccabbea2511]

We live out in the sticks. Someone did call, once. My husband said "not interested." End of conversation. 😂

[@colin79666]

I got one of these. As I argued back to them, I was watching at a relatives house who does have a licence so no breach of their rules. The snotty email is a disgrace. Since then moved house and just ignore their junk mail and use a fake email address on iPlayer at said relatives.

[@rottenbeggar]

Defund the Bent BBC 'oh silly me what'am i saying!?.. 'I already have! 😂

[@keegan773]

I’ve just had the latest letter. This time they are offering to help me get a licence and would like to have someone pop round to my house to assist and advise me. I can’t quote it exactly as the letter went straight into the recycling.

[@petemc5070]

Their biased, patronising 'news' reporting eventually put me off paying for the BBC. It's been at least 5 years now, without any live TV or the iPlayer and streaming only - but I've not regretted it for a minute. Well done for speaking up on your channel - you are bang on about this disreputable outfit.

[@DavidJarvis01]

Been license fee my whole life. Have never bought one and never will

[@ocdmusic]

same!

[@kevinthegerbil2708]

same same, i am 62.

[@HarryAardvark]

Good morning, Jon. I have cancelled my TV licence this morning and it is no longer possible to do it online, I had to ring to speak with them. I was asked in 3 different ways why I no longer needed a licence, and I read out the words on the back of the licence. I was asked if I watched TV from abroad , used Sky or Virgin or used Amazon Prime or Netflix, without them making the difference between Amazon prime video on demand and paid Amazon Prime live streams. I was also asked if I use Freevee and to my knowledge Freevee is an on-demand service. I refused to be drawn in and instead read the words on the back of the TV licence which says’ You no longer need a licence if you do not watch or record Live TV or use BBC iPlayer. I was asked to declare using their words which included examples like Freevee and Amazon Prime but I once more read out this specific statement on the back of my licence. and I hoped that that was clear. I was then asked if I watch TV at all, and I once more read out the words as above. I was then asked if anyone ese in the house watch TV…FS. Finally I was told that my declaration was valid for 12 months and that I would need to redeclare and that an INSPECTOR would visit to check that I wasn’t in contravention of the law relating to receiving broadcasts. I had to confirm my name, address and give an email address. This was an utter ball ache and intentionally deceiving.

[@beccabbea2511]

Wow! They don’t 'go quietly into the night' do they? What a load of run around. Give yourself a pat on the back and a medal 🥇 for sticking in out. We just stopped paying ours, we reasoned that if they are still going to 'inspect our premises' if we opted out why bother? So, they pay to send us letters that go straight in the shredder. All those letters x by millions must cost them a fortune. 😂

[@Dr.Gunsmith]

Wow I got a Red letter one the other day it’s so threatening that I’m thinking of taking legal action.

[@robtheplod]

It will fail.... these threats are mandatory by the government on the bbc.... just ignore

[@SteveShort-b1g]

It's going up to £218 bud disgusting the crap that's on BBC all reports every day

[@MikeEves]

Only if you want it to go up, otherwise you pay nothing

[@kevinthegerbil2708]

£218 saved on my annual budget.

[@AkiraFurball]

Price will rise to make up for the loss from the thousands of people that are seeing the light.

[@nam1956]

They will transfer the licence fee onto our council tax. Then no one can opt out. Coming soon 😕

[@icdgyixify99]

No, it stays at zero, if you have any sense.

[@ianherd569]

BBC needs to be licence free.

[@yvonnehayton6753]

Still wouldn't watch it though.

[@elizabethanthony3916]

​@@yvonnehayton6753 Same, in fact I wouldn't watch it if they paid me !😂

[@davidlosinski2914]

Used iPlayer when I lived with family who had a TV licence, moved into my own place and did the no licence required thing, not watched live TV or used iPlayer in years (including when I was covered by a licence), but got a letter claiming I was watching iPlayer because I had used iPlayer in the past with my email address when I was covered by a licence and never canceled my iPlayer account.

[@Braddurs]

I genuinely do not need a licence. I don't watch anything Live, don't use iPlayer and literally have not done so since I cancelled my TV licence. I still get the "You're in trouble, we know!" emails and letters so that tells me they 100% DONT know and are trying it on basically to scare people into paying.

[@MrTtekcalb]

It's nice to see you back Mr. Carnie. The other day I looked at your channel and realised you'd not been on for a month and was a bit worried; thought that maybe the BBC had carted you off in the back of a Black Maria or something. Glad you are OK, welcome back.

[@marknestbox]

CJC, you didn't get angry, which is far more fun than anything on the BBC!

[@tonymckenzie3091]

the only license in the world for which you have to apply 'not' to have, and keep applying 'not' to have it every two years....I get a threatening letter every month but must admit I am impressed with their creative ways of threatening with each letter being different from the last

[@cplcabs]

Some countries you have to do it every year

[@andymeadows2768]

@@tonymckenzie3091 don’t worry they won’t turn up they haven’t at mine for almost 7 years

[@MarkFitzgerald2014]

An email address is not proof enough of someone using BBC iPlayer services alone. They would need a MAC address and IP address as proof that it accessed in the UK and not been used by a bad actor or third party maliciously. Also a VPN would be able to bypass all this, I would find it near impossible to get a full conviction from any of this information these days as people accounts especially email accounts get leaked by bad actors all the time. You hear it on the news another company had a data breach and millions of customers information leaked, that would include passwords and email address's and lots of other useful information for data brokers to sell on the dark web.

[@kytestar]

IP address would give a generic location and not your actual home address (hollywood seems to have enabled this myth). MAC address is just the registration of your network card or networking equipment, so would be meaningless to any third party. Go to a site that will show you your IP and then do a trace on that and I guarantee it will not show your home address but the main hub of your ISP which is probably in a location within 15 miles of you.

[@cplcabs]

@@kytestar how would an ip address give a generic location? The ISP associate the IP address with subscriber information and the Police will get that from the ISP via a court order. Those sites that you speak of are obviously not going to show someone's address because they use standard tools to find locations and they are not privy to the ISPs records so obviously are not going to give the address the IP is associated to at that time,

[@MarkFitzgerald2014]

@@kytestar IP address uniquely identifies a device connected to the internet. IP addresses are made up of a series of numbers that allow devices to communicate with each other and send and receive data. An IP address is made up of four sets of numbers, with the first three representing the network ID and the last representing the host ID. The host ID specifies a specific device on the network. No Hollywood myth, I have been in I.T. and computer sciences for over 30 years. IP address with MAC address will more than identify any device on any network unless it behind a VPN or tor client. You should look up exactly what an IP address is. It how devices communicate and use DNS to make it easier for humans to read this as URL's.

[@markwatson8714]

It's just a fishing system. You need an account to use Iplayer, that account has a physical address associated with it. Just compare the accounts logging in to iplayer with the list of addresses with a no license needed declaration and send out a generic email for any that match. Note for example it's another generalised email - 'you've watched iplayer several times' rather than utilising any specific information (you'd at least expect they could provide a couple of dates you were logged in). The other thing is there's no actual validation done on the information you provide them for your online account; the system will happily accept addresses such as W1A 1AA (Broadcasting House) or SW1A 0AA (Westminister Palace).

[@SpareSomeChange8080]

They can't see your computers' MAC address anyway. They'll need to go to the ISP with the IP, date & time to be able to turn that data into a physical address; and they'll probably need a court order to get that information from them. I think an email is plenty of proof that you are using iPlayer, after all it is your email that you created and you own, and they also send a validation email for you to confirm the "no licence needed", and also a validation email when setting up your iPlayer account. Just don't be daft and use a different email address. Both outlook and gmail lets you create email aliases that appear to others as a different email address, but will still come to your main inbox; it's a great way of hiding your primary email address.

[@kevinthegerbil2708]

Been watching catchup for years. Didn't even know live was still broadcasted these days.

[@angelacourtney-t1z]

I cancelled my licence this year, I've had 2 letters in the past month saying I have watched and logged into BBC iplayer over the last few weeks 😮 and I have never and if I don't respond by November my No licence needed will be cancelled, is this their new bullying tactic 🙄

[@kelvinhorton6983]

I have always wondered about accessing iPlayer on my phone while in the homes of family or friends who have a TV licence.

[@klausgh]

Since I stopped sending the declaration of not needing a TV licence (because the questionnaire is full of traps) I started getting letters 'to the occupier'.

[@elizabethanthony3916]

Same here, it seems weird to me, because they had all my info from the declaration statement, including my name but now I'm "The Occupier"

[@grahamritchie8118]

Hi chillijon, i received my 6th threat letter today I'm quaking in my boots 😂

[@mikehipperson]

With laughter, I hope?

[@paulcrisp9861]

​@@mikehippersonsame here I got a letter through the post as the occupier they are going to send the TV GOONS AROUND 🤣😅😱🥶

[@AndyM_323YYY]

When I first got the threatograms (decades ago) they upset me a great deal. But these days, with all the information on the net to reassure me as to their utter lack of any real meaning, I just file them in a binder. If I ever find myself in court I will hand the binder to the magistrates and ask them would anyone in their right mind cooperate with a company that does this?

[@paulw4834]

I send the threat letter as return to sender don’t need a tv tax. It cost them more money 😂

[@paulcrisp9861]

@@paulw4834 these people act like the bbc gestapo 🤣😅👹😈

[@4stevio]

The BBC licence fee is, and always has been a state or government sponsored protection racket.

[@CS-mo7xp]

a redacted / denied FOI is a contradiction in terms.

[@sirgaz8699]

I haven't used BBC IPlayer in so long that I didn't even know it needed a login now. I last BBC IPlayer show I watched was Dr Who, Peter Capaldi, they were robbing a bank. I think I got about a quarter of the way through it and give up.

[@johnw1743]

'Sagacity' - the quality of being sagacious or wise. Not to be confused with Saga City which may be an old people's home.

[@Mishima505]

Isn’t that the nickname for Eastbourne?

[@Fergal283]

I completed my 3rd consecutive online "No licence needed" declaration recently. A week later I received a letter almost demanding that I buy a licence. I shredded it, any more letters will be returned to whoever sent it.

[@susanhines7994]

I can't return my letters as there's no address on the them. They all go in the bin.

[@robtheplod]

Why keep contacting them???? You keep authorising them to keep your detail...

[@peterc3262]

Stop filling in the form for them. You're just giving them your details over and over again.

[@internetfairy1]

It's becoming more and more obvious there is an incredible waste of money everywhere. Not just the BBC!

[@bobrail733]

As COMMENT yesterday I am in 86 year with few health problems received 2 letters recently 2nd yesterday believe I can handle it myself ! What I want to say though is a lot of PEOPLE being threatened by these THUGS are elderly PENSIONERS who should be made aware by FRIENDS RELATIVES,NEIGHBOURS,that they DON'T NEED TO PAY THIS BLACKMAIL ROBBERY 🇬🇧🇬🇧

[@madwiganer]

End of the day if you don't pay a TV licence, don't watch iPlayer....

[@IANHANDS]

AHH what do you know you live in Wigan. Strange place strange people

[@MultiBikerboy1]

Kneeling footballers was the final straw for me. Cancelled 4 years ago…don’t miss it a bit.

[@loz712]

Why does a footballers choice to oppose racism affect your TV license?

[@Goombasareawesome]

Was all the sex offenders working for the BBC for me but you do you.

[@MultiBikerboy1]

Oh sorry…did they have a choice did they?

[@MultiBikerboy1]

@@loz712…and it won’t effect my licence cos I don’t have one anymore and don’t intend to get one ever again.

[@loz712]

@@MultiBikerboy1 I'm not sure how people opposing racism impacts you unless you're a racist who is upset that they oppose you.

[@Rosie-tv3ki]

When I cancelled my licence I cancelled iplayer!

[@WhiteDieselShed]

My LG TV keeps reinstalling iPlayer, found out how to activate the service/engineer menu and removed iPlayer but its back. Not logged in but back. BBC trying to force us to watch???

[@scaryjoker]

​@@WhiteDieselSheddoesn't matter if it's installed. They still can't prove shit. Just don't let them through the door. Ever.

[@WhiteDieselShed]

@@scaryjoker I won the jackpot they are going to visit soon! I wonder if they will actually turn up?

[@barriewilliams4526]

I think that it is a mistake to cancel your TV licence. There is no legal requirement to do so, and by doing so, you are just giving them information that they may not have. I do not watch live TV, and when I stopped doing so, I stopped paying them.

[@MikeEves]

People are stupid. They think the BBC is an authority. They are nothing.

[@DefCon12345]

A live broadcast, watched a minute after the programme started - is no longer live to the viewer...

[@timg1246]

​@@DefCon12345But it is live when you recorded. So, yes, it does.

[@robtheplod]

Exactly correct

[@DefCon12345]

@@timg1246 but I’m not recording it! In effect, I’m watching a recording of a show…

[@ironcereal3092]

The world feels sad at times, then it remembers the UK pay to watch TV, then it laughs and feels happy again!

[@DameTremonti]

Not bought a Tv licence for years. Everything goes in the bin. They sent someone round to the house, and i told him to F-off. Never heard another word for 2 years. You can use i-player as a guest.

[@Phoenix2312]

@TomOBedlam-i1s No, They dont... They want you to think they do... But they dont! If they did... Then they woudl be admitting to government that they dont actually need Capita... They would be admitting they do have another option to collect the license fee and they could be a Subscription service! Amazon, Netflix, Sky , Virgin... All Subscription Services... If you dont pay, They terminate your signal... The BBC does NOT! The BBC knows the technology is there - but if they start to use that technology and tracing software... LEAGALLY THEY WOULD LOSE CONTROL OVER INTERNATIONAL AND COMMERCIAL CHANNELS! They CANNOT force Commercial Channels to terminate because someone does not subscribe to the BBC! Which is why they use the system they do... Its why they want to keep the Royal Charter! As long as the Royal Charter is in place, they CONTROL ALL BROADCAST TELEVISION! They cannot risk admitting to Government or the Crown that they can indeed go to being a True Subscription Service! So, While they may track to a rough location... They dont use tracking software... In either case, I still agree with you that even using a Guest Account - VERY HIGH RISK! I would never advise it! Especially as even with a Guest account, you have to input a Valid Licensed Postcode!

[@DameTremonti]

@TomOBedlam-i1s Don't be ridiculous. How can they trace an IP address to an individual within a multi-occupant household? Sure, they can say i-player was viewed within the household, but they can't then apply a licence fee to an individual, because they don't know who viewed the i-player.

[@HA05GER]

​@TomOBedlam-i1sthey would have to to your isp which are not going to give your information. Also no way of proving that someone isn't on your WiFi without your permission. Itnwould never fly in court you need hard evidence.

[@VXGaming]

Just as I was typing just use a dummy email Jon said it.

[@Ronald-o9x]

The BBC is like standing charges, you don't use it but you still have to pay!!

[@Theforestbandit]

You dont have to pay if you dont watch their bias rubbishy programs.

[@robtheplod]

You dont have to pay.....

[@alanrobertson9790]

Indeed, far cheaper than having to make decent programs and pushing an agenda that nobody wants.

[@TheThinker-ce5kq]

Or not.

[@L.OB-1]

NOT IF YOU DON:T WATCH LIVE TV OR ANY BBC CHANNEL

[@JumboCod91]

Not only do I get to enjoy life without a tv, but they keep sending me kindling through the post!

[@morpheusmemnoch4160]

there's plenty of reasons to have multiple emails these days.

[@icdgyixify99]

I even have one called 'spamcan'. They still use it.

[@PotatoPirate123]

Even if they have your login there's no way for them to know that you weren't watching it at a friend's house who has a TV licence, and they won't be able to obtain the IP address user info anyway. It wouid basically be completely non-evidence that could never stand up in court

[@cplcabs]

Oh but there is. When you log in, your IP address is recorded as well. They can then find out which ISP is used from that IP address and get a court order to get the information they need from the ISP. If the IP address is not registered at your address then you will be ok, if it is then you have a problem.

[@jmargarson]

@@cplcabs And that's where a VPN comes in handy.

[@karolinat4157]

Very interesting, I was wondering myself how do they know. Now that that's explained it's so obvious 😂 Thanks as ever for a fantastic informative video

[@phyllislovelace8151]

Thank you for your commentary Chilli... it is much appreciated

[@awhisperinthewind4253]

I hate that iplayer came pre-installed on my tv and I can't uninstall it

[@timg1246]

You can blame the government for that little trick.

[@terencejay8845]

I wanted to delete all the channels I never watch, but you can't. I was told I have to place the channels I do watch in a 'Favourites' folder. This was a while ago, before I stopped watching broadcast TV.

[@oddball6992]

@@terencejay8845on my Sony tv I deleted my iPlayer, settings apps, delete app, then clear cookies if you have that feature

[@robtheplod]

You dont need to delete it....

[@awhisperinthewind4253]

@@robtheplod that's not the point, I don't want or need it so should be allowed the option to remove it

[@majorcrime6067]

Declaring no licence needed is the best way to get a visit from them. Just don't engage with them at all.

[@pendleeuropa2000]

Hi would like to add as an I.T professional myself they can just match the I P address with your address. However if you use a VPN it's hidden. Sadly what I'm hearing is the courts have told internet providers have to release I P addresses to stop piracy and illegal streaming. I received one of these letter when my son went on BBC iPlayer at mine as I hand uninstalled it. So using a false email address will make no difference as they will have your I P address !!

[@tisme1105]

I've never seen a fellow IT professional refer to IP address as "I P address". That's not wrong just not the norm. Also, if it were IP address based, with access to ISP address records, email wouldn't be needed/relevant at all.

[@-TriP-]

Well as an "IT professional" you should be aware that you cannot trace an IP address to an individual residence, only as far as the local exchange. Only your ISP can provide that information (and only with a court order) unless you've freely handed it out.

[@pendleeuropa2000]

True and it's my phone for the first comment lol......bad at typing.... Anyway for the second comment the courts have ordered all internet providers to provide I.P addresses to any organisation investigating illegal streaming end off. That includes any streaming service including BBC IPlayer. They are not stupid lol....

[@tisme1105]

@@pendleeuropa2000 fair enough :) Do you have a source for general court ordered ISP disclosure of customer address data?

[@charlottescott6609]

Great info ❤👍

[@pelfking]

It is a fishing exercise. Having data showing that an iPlayer account associated with an email address has been used does not link that usage to an unlicenced address.

[@Demonarrows1]

It does if people use the same email address for saying they don't need a licence. Wouldn't hold up in court for a second but that's how they are doing it. Different email address = no worries.

[@stephenholmes1036]

32 years on the 19th without subscription. They don't know my name, email address etc. I had my letter , rang them using 141 in front of my number. They accepted, sent a letter today to the occupier saying that 1 in 10 of people saying they don't need a licence do? Lol absolutely pathetic and they know nothing about me. I've blocked all my info, I do not have any loyalty cards or the like for the same the sell your information and give you peanuts back.

[@sandrahilton4690]

LoL I love listening to you Jon! Thank you again!!

[@interstellarhaggis]

Also sounds legal, most privacy policies contain a clause that they can share your data for law enforcement purposes. But like you said, people need to do more to keep themselves anonimised online

[@Peteleeds1303]

0:47 you would need a phishing/fishing licenses for that though. Lol😅😅😅😅

[@strongandco]

I'm ashamed to say, I had a TV licence for 20 years and in that time I accessed Iplayer a few times, iirc before you even needed an email address. There was one thing on it worth watching. I didn't bother going back and shortly after canceled my licence. I don't miss it and barely think about the BBC unless I see a news story about it or a ChiliJonCarne video 😆

[@SimonNeilScott]

As an IT guy myself, my question is... How exactly is the TV license company associating an email address with a home address? I haven't used the BBC iPlayer in years. Do people declare their home address when signing up to the BBC iPlayer? I can't think of a single email account I've ever created and handed over my home address, unless a shopping website who needs it.

[@ChrisSmith-in2rk]

I've been getting similar letters. I don't even have a bbc account and have only lived at this address just over a year. Suspect it's a previous resident who hasn't bothered to update their address. The BBC should simply suspend accounts that aren't registered to a licensed address rather than sending these harassing letters.

[@SpareSomeChange8080]

The "no licence needed" page on TV licence's website, takes: Title, initial, surname, email address, phone number (optional), property name/number, and a postcode. Since they're all sharing data, they'll probably be checking the iPlayer databases to see if the email you used for TVL is also being used for iPlayer.

[@Demonarrows1]

Come on m8, if you're an IT guy its pretty simple... because you need to give your address on the NLN declaration and if people are using the same email address they then watch BBC I player with...

[@usertl2235]

I've blocked BBC domains on my firewall. BBC free now!

[@markf4018]

Me too

[@RWVegan]

I do the no licence needed but am moving soon and there's no way I'm ever passing on my details to them in future.

[@markdoranoxford48]

The prisons are overflowing with violent inmates to the point where every week many of them are released after serving only a small part of their sentences. Why then threaten imprisonment for watching the BBC without a licence?

[@JupiterThunder]

Because in this left wing totalitarian state, political crimes are more important than murder and rape.

[@Micke120872]

You cannot go to prison for not paying the licence. You can only go to prison for refusing to pay the fine for not having a licence when you need one. Simple thing is to ensure your TV is not visible through windows or door/letter box and never let a goon in if they knock on your door.

[@icdgyixify99]

@@Micke120872 People go to prison for not being able to afford the fine. It pays to be either in prison, or to be an illegal migrant in a 4* hotel.

[@tiocfaidh28]

Another informative video, thank you! You briefly mentioned cookies... Can anyone comment further on the question of cookies? Basically when a site requests 'yes' or 'no' regarding cookies, we should be declining.. is that right? Thanks

[@ChristopherBennett-rq5nq]

Its like parking tickets on supermarket car parks. Ive never paid 1 and had loads of tickets

[@rbir2653]

Wait a moment. What is in the privacy notice of saaga city? They would need consent to share with tv licencing. Something is fishy here

[@Holycurative9610]

People who sign up for iplayer consent in the ts and cs, there is nothing fishy. When you apply you give them permission and very few people ever bother to anonymise the info BBC receives not that that would do much good anyway. The BBC/TVL/Capita have the contract with Sagacity and not the people who cancel their licence with an email address and then use the same email to sign up for a service they can't legally watch.

[@rbir2653]

@@Holycurative9610 all sources of personal data must have a legal basis. Just iplayer terms are not enough. All sources of data must have a legal basis.

[@pippip8744]

The letters can be cut into strips and composted. In the unlikely event of them turning up at your door just tell them to go away.

[@cd0071]

Stopped watching bbc's opinions many year's ago.

[@andrewsmith-xh9sf]

You’re ok chilli John, keep trucking.

[@thuggie1]

why would you ever want to watch i player

[@andypryce1984]

Sadly only when the football is on BBC.

[@peterthomas5792]

Technically they could trace you by your IP address unless you use a VPN, even if you use a fake email. They could go to your ISP and request the address assigned to your IP - though they may need some sort of court order to do that.

[@inregionecaecorum]

The last time I declared no licence needed (and I don't bother anymore) I filled in the email address with the BBC's email address so if they sent out such an email they would have sent it to themselves :)

[@MrOneillrobin]

Be wary of using fake emails. It is possible that they can tie those to the IP address that your ISP has assigned to your connection/house. Also, Children in Need time again - wondering how much 'contingency funds' they currently hold.

[@fionagardner4257]

Sign in with a ten minute email. when did a public company become a private company. paid for by the public ??????????

[@Akstergrind]

I cancelled my TV licence about four months ago and, apart from a single letter asking me to contact them if my situation changes, they seem to be okay about it. When I cancelled, I was expecting a barrage of correspondence but it just hasn't happened....so far.

[@lindastone6868]

You'll have around 2 years grace, and then it'll start!

[@abs24820]

Just wait... 😅

[@CarmeloRagusa-w7t]

Anyone paying a BBC TV licence… shame on you.

[@DystopianOverture]

My dad told me when I moved out that getting a TV licence is a must 'just in case'. I read through the terms and conditions to make sure what I watch doesn't need it. I don't require one and I'm not losing 150 a year or whatever for what is a subscription to the BBC. Hey BBC if you want people to use your service make good shows and stop harassing 'potential' costumers. The more you piss us off the more we refuse to give you money. You are even driving away people who like your shows to the point they pirate it out of annoyance.

[@keithfreeman7725]

I received, today, a 10 day window to get a licence with my status 'temporarily on hold'. Thing is... I haven't watched tv at home since 1992, and have informed them a few times. If I'm around friends or family I'll suffer netflix. Anyway, if I don't get a licence... They'll send the goons around.... ROFLMAO 🤣 Look forward to their visit, I need to let some steam off. 😁

[@Sine-gl9ly]

I got exactly the same letter a few days ago. The interesting thing is that the 'reference number' at the top of the letter is _entirely different_ from the reference number at the top of all the other letters sent to me so far this year, which all have - as would be expected - the same ref number.