The Beach Boys - Manson Family Connection

[@reggiestafford4549]

This is very well researched and presented. Good job, Mike! I personally have two connections to this story, albeit secondhand. The first is a friend and former housemate named Bryan. He worked for a time as a Correctional Officer at the prison medical facility in Vacaville. He dealt with Charlie on a near daily basis. When asked what he thought of Manson he replied, “Charlie is a liar...he told me several times he was gonna have me killed, but I’m still here...” The second was a former Texas Correctional Officer I met while working in a automotive custom shop in Elk Grove back in 2001. This guy told me he encountered and spoke with Tex Watson. According to him, Watson was temporarily transferred to his place of work because Watson’s mother was seriously ill and they thought she was at death’s door. While there, Tex (who was a borne-again Christian by then) brought up several topics, with one of them being that he didn’t pick up Brian Wilson like people were saying, but it was Dennis Wilson he picked up after Wilson’s VW Microbus had broken down. He said he gave Dennis a ride home, and when Dennis invited him inside to share a joint, Charlie was in the living room playing a guitar and singing a song with some girls. So yeah, Dennis, not Brian. Anyway, keep up the good work!👍🏾

[@RulingNoteMusic]

Holy smokes!!! Those are amazing stories!

[@aliharris9776]

Well honestly my family went to court with this my godfather is Dennis Wilson and and I remember a lot

[@aliharris9776]

Wasn't her house she rented it from Rudi Altobelli my mother's produce her my father is Greg jakobson who was best friends with Dennis Wilson

[@whoknowsidont.5147]

@@aliharris9776 wow interesting..all these secrets are fascinating. I've i. DC..right by what I call everything swampy.

[@aliharris9776]

@@whoknowsidont.5147 I find it completely erratic what people are saying like they were there they were not I was that is my family I find absurd

[@totemdiamond5976]

bro its 3 am and you scared me so bad with the outro

[@mattmadge5917]

Moral of the story is be careful who you work with.

[@RaccoonNation]

I keep my friends close, my enemies closer and a group of secret service attack raccoons the closest ..

[@tedpeterson1156]

Well don't pickup hitchikers

[@neonfroot]

​@@tedpeterson1156 It was the 1960s. Stranger danger wasnt until two decades later.

[@djradrick]

The biggest thing I take away from this is have discernment when you meet people

[@bavodc2620]

Hahaha good video. The serie Aquarius brought me here

[@michaelrieger6421]

I was aware of this story, as I am an avid Beach Boys fan. Thank you for accurately setting the record straight!

[@CJK-bt4ll]

In March '69, Manson stopped by Cielo Drive to find Melcher. Tate was in the middle of a photo shoot. So, Manson spoke with Rudy Altobelli (who owned the house). Frykowski was there as well. Two of the victims actually got a look at Manson five months before the murders. Scary.

[@JCLADOG]

A minor detail you left out...Dennis had sex with two hitchhikers he picked up, one of whom was Patricia Krenwinkel who was involved in both the Tate/LaBianca murders. That had to way heavy on him knowing what was to come. After a night of fun, Dennis left to go to the studio and told the girls they could hang out. That's when they invited more family members over including Manson. Ironically, Manson met Charles "Tex" Watson through Dennis. He was sorta a drug dealer who later went to the ranch to live with the Manson family.

[@danahsutton101]

The Beach Boys performed Manson's song on the Mike Douglas show.

[@jackflack4253]

Manson was angry because they changed the lyrics and gave him no credit. He wanted both Dennis and Terry Melcher dead. Melcher lived in cielo drive before Sharon Tate did.

[@Gabriel2oh6]

@@jackflack4253do be fair, Manson didn’t want songwriting credit on Never Learn Not To Love. He wanted (if I’m not wrong) some money and Dennis’s motorcycle. Manson did however object to the lyric and title changes.

[@jackflack4253]

@@Gabriel2oh6 I'm pretty sure manson always wanted money.

[@ForeskinTim]

Great video man, excellent story telling and kept the pacing informative without wasting time for a moment

[@joe18425]

Adhd ?

[@markwatson-vk2lh]

I really feel that Dennis's tragic and premature death was largely brought on by the fact he could never come to terms with the fact that he almost lost his life because of his association with the Manson family. If you were to write a fictional account of a group like the Beach Boys and incorporate all the bizarre elements of this incredible tragedy, it would never sell; simply because the reviewers would say that none of the fantastic elements could have never happened. But they did.

[@spirg]

Agree

[@captainknapton]

Dennis Wilson drown in Marina Del Rey . He had dove off of his boat into the water while drunk . He was trying to retrieve his ex wife's belongings that he had thrown over board prior....so his death had absolutely nothing to do with Manson....

[@cantalope67]

Nice video well-put-together and very informative I remember those days well thank you

[@tishthedish7684]

Lost my whole message so I’ll start over. 😖 Basically - I’d like to say I agree ! Thank you for doing the video. I wish people wouldn’t always associate Dennis Wilson to Manson. Dennis wrote some great music. - if he was still here - he’d never live that story down. I do believe Dennis was haunted by all this even after Manson went to jail. They stalked him - harassed him. I believe he found a small pad to stay in and he was comfortable with it. He didn’t go back to his other house. Supposedly they played head games with Dennis, would break inside and move his furniture around to mess with his head & use fear to control him, and call him on the phone and breathe, etc. I think you’re right though -Dennis couldn’t get straight after that - with his mind - it tortured him. Very sad. Sure wish he’d never drove on that road that day. Somehow really liked Manson but woke up one day - saw how he was building a cult following or sormething, also thst they destroyed 2 of his cars out at spawn ranch - lit one on fire end the other drove it into a wall. But Dennis was enjoying it for a while - however they were spreading around std’s. Wow. I think he got caught up in it and was manipulated by way of Manson. He ordered His women to do it. Then Dennis woke up & realized half his money was gone. He was really messed up by that. Probably needed therapy for some PTSD before all the Alcohol & Drugs took over. So figuratively- Manson killed Dennis Wilson too. IMO. Pushed it on him, kept him drawn in - so to speak. There’s no way Dennis could’ve lived w the idea of Manson still alive in jail until just a few years ago. Bless Dennis Wilson RIP I

[@tivolidream9655]

Oh Dennis. My favourite Beach Boy.

[@kittykatz4001]

Music Artist, Rick James, in 1969, still unknown, was an acquaintance of Jay Sebring and was supposed to be at Cielo Drive that night, by cancelled hanging out with Sebring and his friends that day bec he woke up with a horrible hang over and decided to stay at home.

[@jdevine42]

Charly sent them to Terry Melchers house, not the one once occupied by Brian WIlson. Charly was aware that Terry no longer lived there but but may have targeted it as a warning

[@teebes2009]

I recall reading that Sharon had seen Manson at the property a week or so before and was creeped out about him.

[@aliharris9776]

That house was actually owned by Rudy Altobelli my mother's producer I grew up there the child

[@JohnnyJoe]

According to songwriter Van Dyke Parks after Charles Manson tried to threating hiwm with the bullet, Dennis then grabbed Manson by the head, threw him to the ground and began to beat the living shit out of him until Manson was weeping openly in front of a lot of people and begged them to make him stop. all while a furious Dennis shouted "How dare you!?!"

[@ElectricAngel181]

Hey Mike Love your content. You're channel was recommended to me . I liked an subscribed, great job you really did your research .

[@RulingNoteMusic]

Awesome, thank you!

[@lukeramer7702]

"Mike Love" your content, I see what you did there

[@mattlawson714]

I feel like a Dennis Wilson/beach boys/Manson family movie would be amazing. But I think Quentin Tarantino already made a movie way too similar to that when he made “once upon a time in Hollywood“. You could only tell that story with the same vibe from that movie which means you just can’t do it.

[@steviejd1]

Dennis was renting the house and the lease was almost up so instead of getting more involved he upt and left, leaving whoever owned/leased the house to get rid of the squatters.

[@RulingNoteMusic]

That was something I wasn't aware of. Makes sense for him to be able to get the hell out without having a lot to handle after he left

[@Zeldarw104]

YUP! True!🤔

[@aliharris9776]

Dennis was my godfather and I lived there I don't think you live there and I don't understand how you think you know this you guys are all like completely wrong

[@LetitRainNow450]

Can you give some more details?

[@arielbonzai462]

@@aliharris9776 I agree. Dennis was a sweet man who went through a lot just growing up. I'm writing a book about this and when he died I cried a long time. I do that with characters sometimes but he's a real person. Troubled and flawed, he just discovered his own amok talents making an amazing albums his brothers wouldn't even listen to. That broke his heart. Everyone here is calling this great like this guy knows what he's talking about. He doesn't and I'm glad you set things straight godspeed

[@robbinhare4843]

yo. that was an amazing breakdown of the history of facts. I only even knew who Brian wilson was in 2006, bc of the Wondermints helping him to release Smile.

[@Sammyandbobsdad]

Pretty accurate. I grew up across a dried up creek from Dennis’ house that the Mansons invaded.

[@simonrainbird9806]

Simply is not true,

[@Sammyandbobsdad]

@@simonrainbird9806 no, the absolute and complete truth. I know. I was there, but you keep being you, no one else in the universe wants to be.

[@simonrainbird9806]

@@Sammyandbobsdad Completely debunked by police records, court transcripts, John Michael Jones, Bruce Davis, Tawna Laufenburg, George Stimpson, Nikolas Shreck. Just an effort to rescue Beach Boy reputatiuon.

[@Sammyandbobsdad]

@@simonrainbird9806 okay right. Except for reality you are completely correct.

[@simonrainbird9806]

@@Sammyandbobsdad So you are not dismissing me, you are dismissing men that actually had a relationship with CM? Michael Channels, Brian Davis, Tawna Laufenberg, Nikolas Shreck did a research on police records and detective records as well as first source interviews with people that knew the victims.

[@WolfDaddy884]

Really well done, Mike. Thoroughly researched 😁

[@RulingNoteMusic]

Thanks Matt!

[@aliharris9776]

It's so not accurate it makes me want to vomit

[@aliharris9776]

Why does this even concern you guys are stupid this is like my life what I grew up and you guys are so wrong

[@wiselizard6-vg5ih]

Professionally presented. Thank you. I just saw another video that explained the demise of Laurel Canyon was in large part attributed to these brutal murders...

[@markfarrington9727]

Dennis always felt guilty for interducing Manson to terry Melcher thus starting the whole reign of terror.

[@sandiebrecken1897]

Thank you, I didn't know about this at all but it really doesn't surprise me one bit and very sad too

[@cherrycarter8442]

would add one minor detail, think it was clem grogan and paul watkins, manson members crashed and wrote off Dennis's brand new uninsured mazerati

[@RulingNoteMusic]

Really? How early/late on was this before Dennis left the house? I didn't find anything on this while researching the story.

[@Jennifer_J_D]

Dennis knew Tex first ..

[@TrayDyer38]

Mike love said on the Dan Patrick show, that Dennis first picked them up and took them back to his house, and befriended the two girls, and they hung out. It was some time latter, after The Beach Boys had been on tour for a week or two, that Dennis returned to find the Manson clan and Charlie had taken it upon themselves to crash at his pad. Mike love said Dennis had a disposition to be liked by everyone so naturally he let them stay. Mike said that Dennis got sucked in and regrettably had been out at the Spahn ranch one day and saw Charlie take a M-16 and unload a full magazine on some poor guy he referred to has a ‘black cat’ and literally cut him in half, and Charlie stuffed his body down a well.

[@mrchadwilson]

Mike Love wrote about it and talked about it in an interview and it's like it's no big deal. There's definitely a connection.

[@99somerville]

I’m pretty sure that story has been debunked. No body in a well has ever been found.

[@Phelps-1247]

Quite interesting, i've never heard of Brian Wilson being the supposed target.

[@Smarty3853]

I also have not heard that Brian Wilson was the target. Way back in 1971 it was made clear by Ed Sanders in his book The Family that it was Dennis that had the connection to Manson and not Brian.

[@RulingNoteMusic]

Yeah, this is an unfortunately incorrect detail I heard as a kid. I mention it early on. It wasn't until I had a wild hair to look it up one day that I was corrected and blown away by the story as a whole, so I decided to do a video on it to help others who could also be misinformed.

[@Phelps-1247]

@@arielbonzai462 no shit

[@arielbonzai462]

@@Phelps-1247 detective ? I doubt that given your relatively benign wit and inarticulate malice. Then again ....law enforcement doesn't have very high standards

[@jdemarco]

Hard to imagine living with the fear of knowing that those psychos were targeting him....poor guy

[@nicolerachelle4234]

Terry Melcher old house.cease to exist (Mansons song) was the lynch pin

[@paultynan8705]

I would say Dennis was. If only Dennis hadnt met Tex!

[@mr.sherlockholmes6130]

, I truly believe that if Dennis Wilson had not meet Manson’s girls and slept with them , Manson would never had meet Terry Melcher and Sharon would never been killed because of revenge for him not getting a record deal from Melcher ! All true everything you say is true ! Thank you Scott .

[@thomaskotch4770]

August 9th today. 55 years since the fateful night.

[@Rune789]

I thought the connection was Doris Day’s son, Terry Melcher. Manson thought he screwed him out of a recording contract. The Polanski home was Melcher’s former home…?

[@InReTeri]

Charlie admits in interviews that he knew Terry did not live there. Per Helter Skelter book by prosecuter Bugliosi, Charlie had gone to house to find Terry, learned he did not live there anymore and was told by Tate's photographer to take the alley to the guest house to see the owner of the house (who was in music/acting business), and that Tate came up to the door during that conversation. Reportedly, when Tate and the house owner were on a plane a few days later, she asked the owner if he had seen that weird little man ... . The prosecutor speculated that Charlie was PO'd with how he was treated by the photographer and apparently know Tate lived there.

[@scottbivins4051]

Ya man, all those poor people were murdered over a diss from a photographer. That was personal hoss, and it was over a legendary album and Charles Manson becoming the major music star he should have been. He could play guitar and he could sing and write killer lyrics and Terry Melcher and the Beach Boys robbed Charles of a career and stole his lyrics as he wrote the whole Pet Sounds Album.

[@starcloud4959]

Loada shit.

[@johnwright291]

I was very near cielo drive when the murders happened. I have never heard that brian wison lived anywhere near Polanski's house.

[@RulingNoteMusic]

Yeah, this is an incorrect detail I heard as a kid and it wasn't until I decided to look it up one day that I was blown away with the story as a whole.

[@johnwright291]

@@RulingNoteMusic sorry I took it out of context.

[@Jeremy-fj3mw]

For some reason I don't remember any of this. All I remember of Manson is him being a CIA operative to stop the hippie movement in America in order for the military industrial complex to grow and mature.

[@jimmyfreeman5235]

Good work. More transparency of events with the add investigation of information and evidence.

[@marthadwyer2856]

I remember this wellas when Sharon Tate was murderedd and her first unborn child I was pregnant awith my first child ( born 19 days later, also a son. ). It was so frightening to watch this Manson creep story unfold on national tv. Then to hear later that some woman married him is unbelievable to any human being with a kind soul. RIP TO THOOSE MURDERED TO DWNNIS AND BROTHER CARL

[@ms8596]

Terry lived in this house with his then girlfriend, Candice Bergen. Because of Doris Day's (Melcher's mom) ex husband and manager absconding with all of her money, Melcher rented a new place close to his mother, to work out of that situation. That's when he got her into the Doris Day TV show.

[@arielbonzai462]

Marty Melcher died and then Terry realized he'd squandered her fortune left her in debt and signed a contract for her to do a TV show. Terry got her out if the and produced the show

[@roxannestorm2616]

Brilliant I love it. History facts with Trivia Pursuit.

[@pavanatanaya]

Wait. Are you telling me that there was sordid people in the entertainment industry? At some point in this fiasco, Neil Young was hanging out with these guys

[@Linda-pw8gx]

Very well done!

[@teriyakiboi]

Dude well done! Seriously never knew any of this. Also, I expected to click off of this video and see a few hundred thousand views but only to see nearly 2k. This channel deserves more views!

[@RulingNoteMusic]

Thank you so much! I appreciate the support!

[@dnied8778]

What a lot of people don't realize it's if you actually read Manson's work he talked about separating yourself from all your lively possessions of the world that you were impure if you didn't do that but he only did that to the women more so than the men see he had to make them feel beneath him therefore they would do anything for him he had a rod of fear that he used a lot of psychology against women especially young innocent just wanting to belong kind of women or what they would call outkast Manson said to let go of all material let go of anything that had to tie you to like the industry but Manson was so hot in getting a record deal and making tons of money yet he said don't worry about material things almost hypocritical really

[@neonfroot]

Alot of these minimalist gurus are ironically the biggest gluttons.

[@jaysilverheals4445]

that was very unusual to see him wearing a police cap which I never would think he would have done at the very start of video

[@rogerdean4706]

I've heard Steve McQueen was invited to that party but backed out at the last second

[@DwRockett]

3:34 ok that moment was hilarious

[@thecelt4931]

Mike if you get the chance you should listen to the audiobook called Chaos.its very good.it goes into all about the question your asking.

[@stddisclaimer8020]

1) Never put much faith in "I heard about it, but I wasn't there." 2)The Cielo Dr. murders were more a retaliation than an intimidation tactic. In the wake of the disastrous Spahn Ranch recording session of June 6, when Melcher tactfully turned Manson down: "You're good but I wouldn't know what to do with you" -Manson knew his dream of becoming a rock star bigger than the Beatles was essentially over. Those murders were retaliation, against the establishment (of which that tony house was a symbol) for denying him his proper musical career.

[@RulingNoteMusic]

1) Yeah, I wasn't exactly sure about the validity of the story itself, but I wanted to include it as more of a character assessment on Dennis's part, being he was so misrepresented in the TV series. Dennis was no pushover. 2) Now this is a very interesting point to consider. I may follow up on this if I can compile more info, possibly into a multi-theory video.

[@stddisclaimer8020]

@@RulingNoteMusic Now that's a rational and reasonable reply, a relative rarity in the YT comments section. As for the motive for TLB, "multi-theory" is an apt description. I have written in this section before that all the evidence and trial testimony tells us that with Manson, there were three interwoven motivations. 1) Helter Skelter, the imminent race war/apocalypse which Manson preached "constantly." 2) His retaliation against the establishment for denying him a musical career 3) The staging of copy-cat murders to free family associate, Bobby Beausoleil from prison. Though each of these three motives are provable, using them all could possibly muddle the case and confuse the jury. Prosecutor Vince Bugliosi sensibly went with the one he felt had the best chance for conviction, which was HS.

[@RulingNoteMusic]

@@stddisclaimer8020 this is definitely something I'm going to have to dive into a bit more. Fascinating! Thank you for the information!

[@rachelbennett3853]

@@RulingNoteMusic The murders were also supposed to get Bobby Beausoleil out of jail by writing in blood on the walls. They wanted police to think this was done by the same people who killed Gary Hinman. (the Black Panthers). I've been following this case for 50 years. There are so many twists and turns

[@RulingNoteMusic]

@@rachelbennett3853 Holy smokes! That's insane! I never heard about this!

[@jojolucas6973]

Very good explanation, though Bobby Bouselie involvement ( freeing him from jail) in my understanding was the cadilyst with the crimes.

[@cmm2145]

The Manson Family girls did come up with a plan to get Bobby Beausoleil out of jail. He was in jail charged with the murder of Gary Hinman which he actually did do. When Gary was killed one of the girls wrote “Political piggy” on the wall in Gary’s blood. The intent of the killer and the accomplices was to make the Hinman murder look like it was done by Black people, even the Black Panthers. This is basically what you said with more details. You’re right. The copycat motive was one of the motives. The girls came up with a plan to get Bobby out of jail. The girls decided that if they did copycat crimes in a few other locations and left some message on a wall or a door or a refrigerator written in the blood of one of the victims that the police would think that those murders were all done by the same people because writing on the wall in blood is not something that is normally found at a murder scene. The girls thought that as soon as the police investigated the crime scene at the Tate house and at the LaBianca house that the police would connect the three murders because of the bloody writing on the wall and then they’d think that Bobby wasn’t the one who killed Gary Hinman. because there was no way for Bobby to have committed the copycat crimes because he was in jail at the time. It didn’t work. In fact I don’t know who the police officers and detectives and whoever else was working on the case was thinking because it took them a while to even connect the murders at the Tate house with the ones at the LaBianca house even though there was writing in blood on the wall at both crime scenes. Motives: 1. Drugs / money. Gary Hinman made some mescaline that was no good. Bobby sold some to the Straight Satans biker group. It was bad. The bikers wanted their money back. They threatened to kill people if they didn’t get the money. The money had been spent. Bobby tortured Gary for 2-3 days and then killed him. Apparently Gary didn’t have the money either. 2. Drugs / money. Tex was dealing drugs. He owed money to another drug dealer and the other dealer was threatening to come to Spahn Ranch and do bad stuff to them. So Tex owed either money or drugs to this other dealer and Tex didn’t have it. He had to come up with money or drugs fast. I know that Jay Sebring, Voytek Frikowski and probably Abigail Folger too were dealing drugs out of Sharon’s house. Tex had been to parties at that house earlier in the summer before he met Charlie. I believe that Tex was involved in drug deals at Sharon’s house too. I believe that the night they went to the Tate house Tex was expecting to be able to get enough money or drugs to pay back the drug dealer and the bikers. But all they got was $70 from Abigail’s purse which wasn’t nearly enough. 3. Helter Skelter (Charlie didn’t believe in it. He was using it to put fear into his followers so that they’d stay with him and do as he said because they’d believe that he was the only one who could keep them safe. 4. Copycat crimes to try to get Bobby out of jail. (Discussed above.) 5. Money. Charlie needed money fast. Tex still owed the one drug dealer and Bobby still owed the bikers. This is not all part of the “official” story but some is. I believe there were two motives behind the murders of the LaBiancas in addition to the motives that I listed above. Charlie and the family had lived for a while in an RV that was parked in Harold True’s driveway. They were all partying and in and out of the house and in and out of the RV and making a lot of noise. The LaBiancas lived next-door to Harold True. Charlie thought that the LaBiancas were the ones who called in the noise complaint to the police. That’s one reason why they might have been targeted. The other reason was because Charlie and them still owed money to some bad people. I don’t know if Charlie and the Family knew that Mr. La Bianca owned a small chain of grocery stores or not but they could tell from looking at the house and looking at the other houses in the neighborhood that the LaBiancas must’ve been fairly well off to be living where they were living. There’s two possibilities here. One is maybe a bit far-fetched but it could’ve happened. This version has Charlie and Tex going into the house and tying up Mr. LaBianca but not Mrs. This theory goes that after he tied up Mr., Charlie forced Mrs. into the car and they drove to one of their grocery stores and made her get money out of the store’s safe to give to Charlie. It was probably a few thousand dollars or however much Charlie needed in order to pay the drug dealer and the bikers. Then after she gave him the money they drove her back to her house and when she got back is when the killings started. Like I said I don’t have solid proof that this is how it went but Charlie had to have come up with the money somewhere because neither the drug dealer nor the bikers followed through on any of their threats. If that isn’t how it happened, then my belief is that there was enough cash in their house for Charlie to pay off the drug dealer and the bikers. I do believe that Charlie got the money he needed from the LaBiancas because if he hadn’t then the drug dealer and the bikers would’ve followed through on their threats and they didn’t. NOTE: The murders had absolutely NOTHING to do with record producer Terry Melcher. Charlie played his music for Melcher, but Melcher turned Charlie down. This was when Melcher was living at 10050 Cielo Dr before Sharon and Roman lived there. Charlie had gone back over to the house earlier in the summer because he wanted to talk to Melcher. He was told that Melcher didn’t live there anymore. Charlie knew Sharon lived there. He knew where Melcher lived. If Charlie had wanted to do anything to Melcher Charlie knew where to go or where to send his followers. Charlie and Melcher were seen talking peacefully 2 different times by 2 different people and both times were after the murders. If Charlie had it out for Melcher, Melcher would’ve been killed. But Melcher wasn’t killed because Charlie didn’t want to have Melcher killed. Period.

[@lisellesloan3191]

That was part of it, as well as trying to incite the race wars Charlie spoke about, which had thought had been prophecized in the Bible and the Beatles' "Helter Skelter." Beneath it all was Manson's rage at his rejection by his parents and those who were the Establishment, the successful people in society that he felt had snubbed and cheated him. "

[@bobjames8232]

You can't explain this story in limited time..its a long story..cant be fast tracked..

[@The1SuperAtheist]

I feel bad for Dennis. He seemed he was tortured by his relationship with the Manson family. When really he was just trying to enjoy life and live it to the fullest. Charles Manson really turned out to be a lame musician who was butt hurt for not having any talent, and he destroyed a lot of people's lives in the end. I hear so many stories about Charlie Manson, and it's hard to distinguish facts from fiction. This does sound like an accurate description of what happened.

[@andyfersil]

Pretty good mate, thanks.

[@RulingNoteMusic]

Thank you!

[@gymshoe8862]

Dennis picked up the Manson girls hitchhiking and brought em home for sex. He had sex with all of em for days, then one day he comes home and there's Charley--he had moved in. Dennis still wanted the sex but things got complicated when Charley wanted to be in the music business. Brian met Charley and it was so intense it weirded Brian out so bad it brought on his paranoia that lasted for years!

[@gymshoe8862]

Charley expected Dennis and Melcher to make him a rock star. They may have made promises out of fear of Charley. I suspect Melcher did something to screw things up--he has a long reputation of fucking everything up--he's no genius--he was treated carefully because he was the son of Doris Day who was still pretty big in those days.

[@sammymobs3889]

It was always Dennis not Brian lol

[@patchouli-z6v]

Brian had no dealings with manson. Dennis was incolved briefly with manson.

[@williedegee1]

I never heard Brian Wilson rented the house next door..

[@yuothineyesasian]

He didn't. That was a mistake.

[@joe18425]

2:43 😅

[@cmm2145]

I have been interested in Charlie stuff for 30 years. Never once did I hear that the Tate murders happened because Charlie wanted his followers to kill Brian Wilson and Brian lived next door to Sharon and since Brian wasn’t home, they killed the people at Sharon’s house. Whoever came up with that must’ve been deeply recreationally involved with some substances. Charlie didn’t get into a fight with a stunt man. Charlie, Tex, Bruce Davis, and Steve Grogan all participated in killing the stunt man. Bit of a difference there. Some say Melcher didn’t see any value in Charlie’s music. Melcher didn’t like it and didn’t think it would sell. It was too amateurish. Some say Melcher did like some of Manson’s music. There were 2 big problems aside from the fact that Melcher didn’t think Charlie’s music would sell. First Charlie wanted his music recorded exactly the way it was. He wouldn’t accept any criticism, constructive or not. He was adamant about not changing a thing. The music experts could not have a successful working relationship with someone who refused to accept their suggestions. Second in order to be allowed to record in a recording studio you had to be a member of a musicians union. Melcher asked Charlie if he was a member of a musicians union. Charlie said no. Melcher told Charlie that he had to be a member of a musicians union in order to get a recording contract and asked Charlie if he intended to become a member of a musicians union. Charlie said no. Charlie was able to record for Melcher because Melcher had a portable recording studio in a cargo van and Melcher brought it to Spahn Ranch and recorded there. Charlie also recorded at Brian Wilson’s house because Brian had a recording studio at his house. But Charlie couldn’t record at a professional recording studio because he wasn’t a member of a musicians union. So, yeah, Melcher turned Charlie down for a recording contract. But Charlie’s own decisions factored heavily against him getting a recording contract with Melcher or anyone else. In March 1969 Charlie went to the house where Melcher used to live because he wanted to talk to him. He found out that Melcher didn’t live there anymore and he found out where Melcher had moved to. I don’t believe that Charlie was trying to scare Melcher or Dennis with any murders. There were several motives for those murders. Scaring Melcher and Dennis wasn’t one of them. I think the 2 big reasons were drugs and money. Tex Watson and Linda Kasabian were drug dealers before joining The Family. Both Wojciech Frykowski and Jay Sebring were drug dealers who sold drugs out of that house and were known for cheating people on drug deals. Tex or Linda or both got cheated on one or more drug deals by Frykowski or Sebring or both and Tex and Linda wanted revenge plus Charlie needed money for various things and so stealing whatever money they could find was also part of it. Most of your video was fairly accurate. Of course, there’s a whole lot more to it, but putting everything in would make it so long that a lot of people wouldn’t want to watch it. Three and a half minutes is a good length and hits the highlights.

[@RulingNoteMusic]

This is one of the best reviews I've seen so far. In my research I was running into a lot of roadblocks but your assessment as to reasons and circumstances surrounding these incidents is intriguing; especially the incident with the stuntman, and also considering my musical interests, Melcher's mobile studio. I hadn't heard about either of these. I'm going to have to take a look at this. Thank you!

[@cmm2145]

@@RulingNoteMusic - I didn’t know that you didn’t know some of what I said. I’m sorry about being snippy in my comment. That wasn’t my intent. I’m aware that none of us know what we don’t know until we learn it and that some sources don’t have accurate information. Based on your response, I’ll tell you some more pertinent details. Over 30 years time of off and on doing very unofficial Charlie research, I could probably write a book or more, but I have no interest in doing so. Some things that I know I know are true with a high amount of certainty. I have no idea if some of the things I know are accurate or not and I’m not interested in doing research. This is an interest. I don’t want it to turn into work. The stunt man’s name was Donald “Shorty” Shea. He was from Massachusetts I think. Somewhere on the east coast. He had a “cowboy” look about him so he tried to see if he could make it in Hollywood. It wasn’t easy for him. He ended up at Spahn Ranch. Old Man Spahn hired him to help take care of the horses and allowed him to live on the property. He did get some movie work and left the ranch for however long it took to complete that and came back to the Ranch. He and Spahn had a deal that he could leave for movie work whenever he got some and when it was over he could come back and live at the Ranch and help take care of the horses. He and Spahn became friends. There are slightly different versions of what happened when things fell apart. 1. Someone who was concerned about Mr. Spahn’s well-being was concerned that Charlie and The Family were conducting illegal activities on Mr. Spahn’s Ranch (they were) and they paid Shorty to spy on Charlie and the others and report illegal or suspicious activities or behavior to police. And Shorty did. 2. Shorty himself became concerned about Mr. Spahn’s well-being because of the illegal activities of Charlie and The Family. Shorty wanted Mr. Spahn to kick them off the property. Mr. Spahn didn’t want to kick them off because from the beginning Charlie had told the girls that one of their jobs was to “take care of” Mr. Spahn. They cooked and cleaned and took care of his “needs” in the bedroom. I believe that Lynnette Fromme was the one who was primarily assigned this duty, but she wasn’t the only one. Mr. Spahn didn’t want to kick them off the property because his playtime with the girls would stop and he didn’t want it to stop. Apparently Shorty took matters into his own hands and reported the illegal activity to the police on his own. Police came out and did a raid. Charlie knew or suspected that Shorty had been the one who called police. Whether it was scenario 1 or scenario 2, Shorty had reported the illegal activities of Charlie and The Family to the police. That’s being a snitch. As of Charlie’s release from prison in March 1967, Charlie had spent a bit more than half of his life in reform schools, jails, and prisons. Charlie knew the rules of prison. He didn’t really know the rules on the outside. In prison you snitch, you get harsh consequences from the other prisoners. Not only was Shorty a snitch, his ex-wife was African-American and his daughter was mixed race and Charlie was very much a racist. Shorty was very upset about Charlie’s speaking his racist views out in the open. Two different scenarios here too. 1. Steve “Clem” Grogan, Bruce Davis, Charles “Tex” Watson, and Charlie told Charlie that they were going to the auto parts store and they needed his help. The car didn’t get far, pulled off the road, Clem hit Shorty in the back of the head with a pipe wrench. He was unconscious. They they he was dead and dragged him down a ravine. It was determined overnight that he was not dead so the same 4 men came back the next day and stabbed him to death. 2. Susan Atkins lured Shorty to the ravine and the murder happened soon after. Same 4 men. There’s a lot more. My playtime in the Charlie rabbit hole is over for now. I suggest that you don’t believe Vincent Bugliosi’s book Helter Skelter: The True Story of the Manson Murders. That subtitle is a lie and it’s right at home with a whole bunch of other lies and untruths that are between the covers of that book. Honestly that’s the only book I’ve read so you can’t go by me, but KZbin channel The Backporch Tapes by Michael Channels is said to be good as well as KZbin channel and book Goodbye Helter Skelter by George Stimson, KZbin channel Spahn ranch worker by Stoner Van Houten (screen name), KZbin channel and book(s)? CHAOS, etc by Tom O’Neill plus his interviews on Joe Rogan’s podcast on KZbin. You’re going to find contradictions so you don’t want to engrave anything in stone until you’ve been around the block several times. And consider your sources.

[@yuothineyesasian]

Best reply I've read. I cam e here to say much of this (and then promote CHAOS by Tom O'Neill) But yes, the "narrative" falls apart pretty quickly.

[@jimtillotson2023]

@@RulingNoteMusicManson did get into some dispute with a stunt man while Melcher was there. It wasn’t Shorty Shea, who they did murder later. It was another guy who died mysteriously before he was able to testify about the gun used in the crime. His name was Randy Starr.

[@davidmarsden8008]

The Dark side of ‘flower power’

[@WocklessGamingforAnimeMoms]

Delusional Views of The Past. 60s were a pretty troubled time not unlike now or any other time really.

[@austinrose2964]

How does your channel not have hundreds of thousands of followers by now?

[@RulingNoteMusic]

Wow! Thank you!

[@suzannek3493]

The stories all reek of “ Spinning “ so who knows . Tex Watson - the one who actually killed all 7 victims - it was told , actually picked up Beach boy Dennis Wilson - who was hitch hiking . Dennis brought him into his house and that’s where Tex met Manson . Tex eventually moved in to Dennis’s house . Tex was a regular to Denis’s Friend- record producer Terry Melchers house on Ceilio . They all partied together and the Hollywood people enjoyed all the free sex and drugs Charlie and Tex supplied. Yes Terry strung Manson on by waving the proverbial carrot of a music career over his head . There are no coincidences . Manson and Tex wanted to send a message when they committed those murders . I also believe to ey knew who was in the house .

[@ablebaker1275]

My friend went to the Wilson house for a party. After a while being there, he left due to the exposure to nutty Manson. How weird was that?

[@nicks9323]

Lol at 00:12 it looks like Manson is wearing a cute tiny officer cap

[@anibalcesarnishizk2205]

Yes,you are right.Ithink there is no much difference between a madman like Manson and a prison guard.

[@GolfDad]

My daughter is working on a golf vlog. Where did you get the like and subscribe overlays? We subscribed, great job.

[@RulingNoteMusic]

I googled for like button and subscribe button free stock overlays. I also get a lot of my free stock footage from Videvo and Pexels. They may have some there as well.

[@GolfDad]

Thank you. Maybe you'll see it here soon : kzbin.info/door/wrezQaXIml_-GxCnve_Rlw

[@bowshockgalaxy]

Wonder what kinda person the baby would've been..like new music or idk..just a thought

[@bowshockgalaxy]

So Dennis wasn't a coward...yet he wouldn't take the stand to convect a guilty man..he Chumped out..if he fought mason over the bullet threat then why cower the other two times..mason was a little guy..all talk like most..

[@kevinkaatz883]

Lol when u did the wrong house, there's a car next door, so let's go guys

[@tombovitale2597]

I am wondering if Charles Manson had his family kill Sharon Tate and the rest of them at that house cuz he thought Terry Melcher was still living there because that's the guy he wanted to kill for lying to him about using him for his music which he never acknowledged Charlie about it

[@whoknowsidont.5147]

Thank you. Seems legit. What do you know about the CIA and Manson or someone working together. I ran across some info while reading about a totally different topic with CIA. And bam there were the assertions that this agent was also affiliated with Manson some how some way. Any ways I need to retract all my previous statements that Charlie was misunderstood. He was evil. Im starting to believe again,...sadd horrific story. Thank you for your work.

[@yuothineyesasian]

You should read Chaos by Tom O'Neill. He gets as close as anyone has to making the connection between Manson and MKULTRA.

[@MrCholander]

Louis jolyon west worked in part at the haight-ashbury free health clinic which at the same time manson and family frequented. He was also a Cia funded psych and participated in mkultra.

[@whoknowsidont.5147]

@@MrCholander wow..I'll take that.. and thank you for that information.

[@russblack443]

@@yuothineyesasian it's a good book, I have it but O'Neill gets back into The Helter skelter nonsense and undoes and invalidates everything else he said.

[@russblack443]

@@MrCholander Jolly West was also Jack Ruby's shrink rt before he went insane and prior to talking to a reporter

[@johnnyman9513]

what about the fact tex watson was dealing drugs in the past with frykowski (one of the tate murder victim) and got burned by him. Also manson knew melcher moved out not wilson, your thinking of two different things

[@arielbonzai462]

Cheese and Rice you're insanely wrong about the wrong part.

[@RulingNoteMusic]

Oh yes, absolutely! It was how I remembered hearing it as a kid but I was blown away by how much I was off the mark. That's why I decided to make the video!

[@arielbonzai462]

@@RulingNoteMusic I didn't mean to be rude. There's so much out there. It's hard to figure out the truth. I'm immersed in he Manson scene and I feel bed for Dennis he was never treated well or given respect he made a great album and Brian wouldn't even listen it you know how many beatings he took for that guy?

[@brianlancaster7463]

You left out wortec frokoski Abigal folgers boyfriend There was 5 people killed at Tates home that night.

[@BobbyBenzales]

The Beach boys look like a fully Americanized version of the Beatles holy f*ck its no coincidence.

[@neonfroot]

The world of the arts is often very perplexing. Alot of our sitcom characters are often based on real people.

[@joemorris2886]

This was all in Helter Skelter

[@yuothineyesasian]

What wasn't in Helter Skelter was that Melcher visited Spahn Ranch *twice* after the murders.

[@TubbsFarquhar]

Well, no. The Manson family were looking for Terry Melcher, not Brian Wilson (who never lived in that area). And Terry Melcher had lived in the Polanski house with Candice Bergen. Brian Wilson never had much to do with Manson, other than calling him Pig Pen because he was so unwashed.

[@ryanhamley4161]

Demons at work We all need Jesus in our lives Repent in His mighty name

[@kylewinkler9925]

Lol why give a fake back story based on 40 year old rumors, which none of your audience has ever heard, and then clear it up for us by telling the story we all are already familiar with

[@Happyfsscist33]

Cia,Cia,Cia

[@Carvello20]

....cool

[@nickbgreat]

This info comes from Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties.

[@joechiro]

Read Tom O’Neill’s book?

[@johnmuschaweck9395]

Dennis supposedly stole a song from manson. That's a big rumor I have heard. I'm glad you touched on that subject. I think that is what made him loose his mind.

[@RulingNoteMusic]

Since licensing can be a little complicated I chose not to include the songs themselves in the video, but when I heard them I was shocked at how similarly they were written. Links to both songs are in the video description if you want to hear them!

[@99somerville]

Dennis never stole anything from Manson. That is a tired old myth. Dennis liked some of Mansons songs and paid him money and a motorcycle for the rights to Cease To Exist Never Learn Not To Love.

[@davidhassroune1025]

In the book"The Ultimate Evil" the author contends that at the time of the murders,Manson was taking contract hits. At Sharon Tates Folger's guy was the intended hit.With the LA Bianca's,the Mrs was involved with some dealers. It's pretty detailed.

[@gregrak9389]

that author must have been smoking crack, it's total bullshit.

[@Colsoloact-po9wv]

All this as you say it....is what I believe about the Manson affair...well done Mike! I just watched a couple of documentaries about this.....so saddened even now about it all especially the Shaton Tate bit....she apparently had a premonition about her death sometime prior to it all..... seeing herself mutilated In that same house I heard!

[@elsmeervd4893]

No ! Oh whas in to the house of Jay sebring !

[@oscarluna4268]

That bit about the bullet. That was F'd up. Wait, ALL of it was F'd up. He was a hippie?! I thought they were all: "Peace, Love & freedom (drugs).

[@RulingNoteMusic]

Yeah, that hippie schtick went right out the window for Terry after the fight at Spahn Ranch lol

[@jacehendrix3194]

Actually he was just a person. A person who spent his life involved in societies jails and was trained by the outsiders of society.

[@breakfastsurreal5650]

They called themselves Slippies because they could use hippy style to slide their ways under the radar.

[@whoknowsidont.5147]

Not Charlie, he was totally street. Life and death 24/7

[@SawBlood45]

isn't there a famous saying that Manson killed the 60s with the Tate murder?

[@joepeterson2819]

Jeese louise!

[@RhythmBulzara]

I always wondered if Dennis’s death was because of the Manson family.

[@steviejd1]

I did read somewhere that his involvement with them tortured him until his death..

[@LetitRainNow450]

No. Severe alcoholism, drug use, and homelessness

[@lisellesloan3191]

@@LetitRainNow450 Likely stemming from abuse by his father and feeling not fully accepted by his brothers or society.

[@LetitRainNow450]

@@lisellesloan3191 partly but mainly he had severe addictive personality

[@99somerville]

@@lisellesloan3191 Dennis actually had a better relationship with Murray than either Brian or Carl did at the end. They both loved boxing and would watch it on TV together. I don’t think he had any feelings of not being accepted by his brothers. The brothers had their ups and downs but we’re still pretty tight.

[@DveDveSold]

Friends with a few ppl involved. Lots of incorrect info..

[@RulingNoteMusic]

I'd love to follow up and correct any information. Is there a site where I can look things up or any point of contact for your sources?

[@rachelbennett3853]

@@RulingNoteMusic check out CieloDrive.com. She's got tons of info.

[@joewhitehead3]

Dennis was a good guy. If only he’d known how completely twisted his buddy Manson was

[@AraCod]

Cease to Exist/ Never Learn Not to Love credits Manson as writer with Wilson on reissues of album. Manson also had ties to Jack Ruby and said the Tate was a sacrifice by Polanski with his son thst he didn't want anyway and a woman who he was cheating on. Too bad Sharon Tate didn't stay with Jay. Peace

[@WilliamSmith-ex9et]

I’m pretty sure almost all of this is common knowledge to anyone that knows anything about Manson. It’s ironic though that Manson outlived everyone involved with this case.🧐 I speculate on certain things for instance if the Beach boys have never used that song would the murders have still happened? Also the boy that was murdered his name was Steven Parent. It’s a little disrespectful to at least not mention his name -having said that I wonder if he had left the back house residence five minutes later as the murders are happening he could’ve went to William Garrison and there would’ve been two males that could’ve at least helped combat the bloodshed….. or would there just be two more victims?

[@elsmeervd4893]

I THINK 2 more victims tex was a animale full off dope rellentless ,a killer !!!!

[@elsmeervd4893]

Mits steven parent had a pistol ........

[@elsmeervd4893]

I have read that FROM tex somere !

[@DummyYEEEAAHHHHH]

Ya got it mixed up bud.. it was Dennis Wilson...not Brian who was renting the house next door... Dennis also stole the song "Cease to Exist" by Charles Manson...he changed a few words and the title to "Never Learn Not To Love".

[@LetitRainNow450]

Much more changes than that. Structural changes in the music

[@RulingNoteMusic]

Yeah, I should've been more clear at the beginning of the video that what I heard as a kid was all wrong. I actually go over all of this and correct this info throughout the video in the case that anyone else heard it the way I did.

[@mahaputera7]

Audio unsync

[@DummyYEEEAAHHHHH]

This is the story I always heard and read about....that it was Dennis Wilson's house and that's who Manson wanted to kill, Dennis and the famed producer Terry Melchert , not Brian.... Brian and the rest of the Beach Boys only met Charlie once or twice..it was Dennis Wilson who befriended Manson...he also recorded one of Manson's songs "Cease to Exist", changed the music and some of the lyrics and changed the title to "Never Learn Not To Love" off their 20/20 album in 1969 I believe...that's what enraged Manson...so yeah we both hit it on the head.

[@jamesphillips496]

Yes I learned a few things. There are many layers to this Manson saga. Another interesting thing is Manson chose the LaBianca house because a year or so earlier he had been partying next door and Leno LaBianca came out and yelled at him he was going to call the police! There was always a method to his madness. And the connection to Anton LeVey. We all know that Susan Atkins was used in his satanic rituals, but Manson knew him also. And LeVey played the part of satan in Rosemary's Baby and was the technical advisor, Roman Polansky the producer! And the most crazy thing of all Jay Sebring belonged to the church of satan (Anton LeVey)! Jay was in Sharon Tates' bedroom talking to her the night of the murders. Was he the connection between LeVey and Polansky?

[@trueauthority3489]

You have to go back farther into Manson's life to realize what made him and how he was guided

[@arielbonzai462]

Seems like this is true of Dennis Wilson too. Charlie did t ruin his life. He sucked things up a lot but Murray Wilson is the more culpable His bandages weren't much help either. Of course the drummers most dangerous enemy was himself.

[@erikmolnar6585]

I met a lady at the video store I worked at from England and she was friends with Pink Floyd's manager; Steve O'roark or something like that??? She was awesome and it was a cool experience. I believe her last name was Wilson? And if she ever reads this, thank you! Coolest person I ever met working at the video store along with Kim Henkel of TX Chainsaw, writer man. He was kinda just wanting to rent a movie but he was cool enough. I'll watch this video later. Right now I'm watching Josh Dugger before we knew he was a pedo. Interesting

[@thecelt4931]

At 12 seconds in what's charles manson doing wearing a police officers hat??

[@bogeyman38111]

Actually the picking up of hitch hikers is not correct. He was supposed to have met them through the producer who rented the Tate house before Tate did, Melcher.