The Beef between Joey Ramone and Johnny Ramone

What was the beef between Joey Ramone and Johnny Ramone really like? Monte A. Melnick, The Ramones Tour Manager explains...
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[@dustyramone]

6:37 That was the statement in Johnny's book that touched me the most. And that was certainly not a cheesy phrase, but a thing that came from the heart

[@Frumess]

I thought it was very profound about their relationship.

[@dgenerated]

Their love for the Ramones and their business sense, outweighed their dislike for one another.

[@Frumess]

Very true.

[@kalebvera1841]

they stayed together all those years for the kids

[@JelloFluoride]

We didn't deserve such a great band

[@JohnnyRamone1974]

When Joey died, Johnny went into a deep depression for a week and didn't do anything. Afterwards, he decided he was done with music for the rest of his life.

[@1984isnotamanual]

Apparently he regretted that he didnt reconcile and say water under the bridge and thanks for being my partner as music legends together and all that. Sad sad sad

[@seagullpoet]

Seeing The Ramones on stage - each time - was fast and thunderous ! It was like being on a runaway train at midnight.

[@Frumess]

I can't even imagine!

[@hulkjam2888]

even im from Greece,,i hear once upon a time from a punk guy,that RAMONES played the best live for all the groups ever,,

[@brendantully8006]

The Ramones, the most influential band of the last 50 years, and my favorite.

[@Frumess]

Of the last 50 years? I think so. I really do.

[@why-why-whywhywhy]

And to this very day, still the *most underrated/under appreciated band* to *ever* hit a music stage, as well.

[@MrJett1971]

@@why-why-whywhywhy I’d hardly call them underrated or unappreciated. They’ve sold millions of albums, been in movies and tv shows, sold untold millions of T-shirts, influenced hundreds of bands (if not thousands, including mine), and been inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame.

[@GilbertSyndrome]

@@why-why-whywhywhy I wouldn't call them underappreciated, tbh.

[@eivindgj3761]

The fact that Johnny was depressed for a whole week after Joey died proves that, deep inside he had respect for Joey fun fact Joey sent a Christmas card every year to Johnny.

[@Frumess]

Where did you read about Johnny being depressed about Joey after his death? Would be curious to read more about it.

[@eivindgj3761]

@@Frumess he Said it in the documentary end of the century when he wears the weird sunglasses

[@Frumess]

@Jon if it's in End of the Century, then I've seen it, I guess I just don't remember

[@arthurvaisvilas7853]

As i get older and feel like I'm losing touch with the Ramones, I always think back to when i first played the first Ramones album. This then resets my first experience listening to them. words cannot describe how this band impacted my life back then. i soon after threw away all of my albums except for my Beatle albums. gabba gabba hey!

[@Frumess]

As Joey once said when asked why he didn't cover the Beatles: "You can't mess with perfection. You can't mess with it."

[@vgr112261]

Pizza Jeff is annoying as hell.

[@Frumess]

😘😘😘

[@The3Stooges]

If you think he's annoying, you should meet his slightly slower cousin Stromboli Bob. Together they're insufferable!

[@Frumess]

@@The3Stooges 😘😘😘😘😘😘😘

[@written12]

He’s into the Ramones. His love and interest are genuine. He just needs to give more space to the person he’s interviewing.

[@Frumess]

@@written12 I appreciate your constructive criticism, truly. This is A. A clip from a 90 minute interview and B. There are other factors at play... but yes, I could benefit greatly from this advice. Thank you.

[@LVGRIFFETH]

One issue I have when people interview industry ppl, they talk more than the guest. It's not about Pizza Jeff, but what Monte has to say about the Ramones, especially Johnny and Joey

[@Frumess]

You aren't wrong. But the style on my shows is more of a back and forth conversation. This is a clip from a 90 minute conversation with Monte.

[@spankybravo9403]

Man…. I’ve been watching Jeff’s Misfits content for a while now and I’ve recently gotten back into the Ramones again for the first time in a while (my first favorite band as a kid) and I am stoked Jeff also has all this Ramones content I can nerd out on! Love it! 💪💥⚡️💀🤌

[@Frumess]

Spanks, we love the ramones here at Frumess TV, plenty to explore. I always have those kinds of resurgences too with bands I love. This is a clip from a longer 90 minute interview BTW.

[@fangzine937]

Johnny always seemed like a very dominant personality, whereas Joey always seemed like a pretty shy and laid back type of guy. This in itself could cause issues - Johnny seeing Joey as a pushover or weak in some way, and Joey seeing Johnny as an overbearing bully. I dont want to read to much into it - but Johnny was a Nixon Republican - I can just picture Joey thinking about Johnny "Your a Nazi Baby!!!"

[@Frumess]

I am sure that added to the dynamic between them.

[@GilbertSyndrome]

That was pretty much what happened with "KKK", Joey's dig at Johnny for being a republican, and for stealing his girl.

[@animaljustice7774]

Yeah

[@opaljk4835]

GilbertSyndrome apparently that’s about joeys girlfriend who was black that had strict parents, whom they would jokingly refer to as the kkk.

[@leahflower9924]

who cares Ramones music wasn't supposed to be political that was for the brits and the dumb hardcore scene johnny played guitar really fast and was in an important band that's all that matters damn

[@jerrybergsteinbaum8008]

Love your content. Love these bands like nothing else.

[@Frumess]

Me too Jerry, thanks for watching!!

[@kirby711]

Without the Ramones where would we be....lost

[@Frumess]

Truly lost.

[@tommybrackett5519]

Without Jesus as your Savior your lost...

[@Frumess]

@@tommybrackett5519 🤘

[@kirby711]

@@tommybrackett5519 what to do honor the Trinity

[@GilbertSyndrome]

@@tommybrackett5519 The apostrophe and the "e" are truly lost.

[@RobbyBloodshed]

This was awesome!

[@Frumess]

Monty was great!

[@jdessell]

It's a damn shame that a woman almost broke up one of the greatest rock bands in history. By the way, if you ever listen to Linda talk for more than 3 minutes you will have a migraine. I can literally not understand how that woman became the breaking point between Joey & Johnny.

[@Frumess]

Funny thing is, I am not sure they almost broke up because of it. In a way they seemed to effortlessly carry on despite it...

[@hellboundrubber4448]

People forget Dee Dee was The Ramones as far as writing the lyrics. I put him in the Rock n Punk Hall of Fame just on his ownself. Dee's jumping around was what stood out most. And influenced other bands to be just as crazy. Like the Chili Peppers etc. Johnny had the 2min cool riff and Joey was a Nerd who was cool. Lead singers were never Nerds. Live they were theeeee Loudest ever! Marshall madness to the Max. Ramones were groundbreakers.

[@Frumess]

He was the heart and soul when it came to writing for the band...

[@scottstalcup6980]

Flo and Eddie from The Turtles were pretty nerdy, and proudly so.

[@Frumess]

@@scottstalcup6980 and we love them for it.

[@idontcare2851]

the* Ramones. They aren’t The Ramones, they are Ramones

[@Nothere6780]

Ramones i will love you wherever you are! ❤️

[@JMarinelli]

Everett True covers the Johnny/Joey feud fairly thoroughly in his Ramones book.

[@Frumess]

What's that one called? I will have to check it out.

[@1967PONTIACGTO]

They both loved the Ramones .. thankfully!!...and they were both irreplaceable and they both knew it... why Johnny said after Joey's death that that was the end of the Ramones.

[@thetruckersmanifesto3873]

When you hear someone you truly cared about dies, even when u don't really know them, it hurt.. I was driving to work, hurd it on the radio, ohh man. DeeDee come on. Probably cried a little

[@Frumess]

I totally agree. And I have been there.

[@k1To12310]

I think Johnny and joey did talk because how did they get all these new songs out after John was married ? They had to work together lol

[@Frumess]

Absolutely, on some level they had to.

[@jay2times814]

The Ramones forever👊 PMA

[@CP-kb1du]

Ramones are Legends to many ...High School Memories ...

[@Frumess]

Legends forever.

[@seanmurphy26]

This guy, Pizza Jeff, is a Momo!

[@Frumess]

Thank you 😘

[@grantm902]

as someone who read Monte's book quite a lot as a youth, IMO what he wrote gave off the impression of absolute coldness a lot! He could've written more of what he says now in the book, if both me and the interviewer read it and inferred a lot more tension than there was between Joey and Johnny.

[@Frumess]

Yes, I found those wires to be crossed. His answers were very different in their tone/perspective from what I read in the book!

[@hellfire8883]

Im only 4 min. In and already im having difficulty concentrating on what monte is saying. I understand this is an interview and questions will be asked and aknowledgment of what your guest is saying is important but sometimes one needs to let the interviewee talk without so many interjections by the interviewer the loud mhhm, right, yep, sures It take away attention from whats being said by your guests and honestly gets annoying. Im not trying to put you down but just some thoughts by a viewer. I would just be aware of those things. Because lets face it we all want to learn and get better at what we have passions for. We learn things and get better by repetition and experience. listening to feedback is ultimately important on a platform like KZbin. In order to reach more viewers one has to sometimes cater to what is being said by listening to feedback. You can't please everyone all the time and nor should anyone try. But if something is repeated being said by many ppl it may be a good idea to listen to them and try to accommodate viewers suggestions. HEY! HO! LET'S GO!!! ......Gabba Gabba hey!!

[@Frumess]

Thank you for this feedback, I appreciate it, truly.

[@oldmanpatriot1490]

I started playing serious guitar at the age of 12 in 1982.. By 1984 I was playing in bar bands. Had older friends from other bands that would sneak me in the back door of the local pub that most the hard rock bands played at,, it was a great time to be a up and coming musician. Although I liked the Ramones I didnt really fully grasp or understand the significance of the band.. Now that Im older and revisiting my roots,, I have a much better appreciation for what they did and stood for.. I cant even call todays crap music its sooo horribly bad.. To quote Joey Ramone,,, ""We need a healthy amount of fuck you"" in music today and its missing in my opinion.. There isnt even a music scene in my area today.. I miss the Ramones and those times..

[@Frumess]

Their brilliance was in their simplicity and their ability to grasp it.

[@luzbeelluzbella369]

I kind of know what he's talking about but I'm being on stage and being high from the energy of the people. Once I audition for America's got talent in the Sharon Osborne and two other guys as a judges. When you are on stage it is something else it's like magic.

[@Frumess]

One of the most addicting drugs ever.

[@jimmyleon2983]

I don't think things ever got physical between Johnny & Joey, but Johnny did slap Dee Dee in the head a few times when he got pissed off at him, usually for screwing up during a live show.

[@Frumess]

All those Dee Dee bass jumps!

[@robr5786]

I read where Johnny wanted to call but Arturo told him it was better if he didnt

[@jaycolejones5073]

You can replace anybody but not JOEY!!!😥😥😥

[@Frumess]

Almost everyone was replaced but Joey... and Johnny.

[@jaycolejones5073]

@@Frumess yessir😎

[@jrg770]

I love the Ramones but it is Joey's voice and way of singing that makes the band special for me.

[@MrJett1971]

Joey. Johnny. Dee Dee. Tommy. Those are the only real Ramones. Everybody else was a placeholder…a warm body…a scab.

[@GilbertSyndrome]

@@MrJett1971 Marky, Richie and CJ were inarguably great at what they did, though.

[@thetruckersmanifesto3873]

I remember thinking, he's a sweet guy, like kinda took back buy my admiration.

[@Frumess]

A testament of his character.

[@gdr17racing51]

mad that i couldnt see all these bands play man

[@Frumess]

Me too, missed the Ramones as well. Was cool to see a Ramones set from CJ and Daniel Rey.

[@gdr17racing51]

@@Frumess yea i mean i wasnt even born when joey and Johnny died... unfortunatly I didnt understand music enough to try and meet tommy. At least I can still listen to them??

[@daviddavis3155]

Hello Monte!

[@Frumess]

Monte! Monte! Monte!

[@hirampriggott1689]

23 years together in a band from beginning to end is pretty impressive. Whatever feud there was seems meaningless. Every band in the world has squabbles within it's members.

[@thetruckersmanifesto3873]

I lived on a houseboat with my dad there, I was all over that place u know, ditching 🏫 school smoking weed n shit.

[@Frumess]

You were a pirate?

[@idontcare2851]

I like to say “they had a mutual disrespect with emphasis on the respect”

[@Frumess]

That's a good way to put it.

[@thetruckersmanifesto3873]

They were fun

[@Frumess]

100 percent!

[@jimmyleon2983]

5:50 I think it's cool Johnny kept Linda away from The Ramones.

[@Frumess]

I don't think he had much of a choice to be honest..

[@SkragorSkumdreg]

Gabba gabba hey!

[@Frumess]

We accept you one of us!

[@thetruckersmanifesto3873]

DeeDee ohh come on , he was a sweet guy. If u know him the way I did. I saw him in Seattle, smoking a cigarette man. I thought ohh no. I said are u DeeDee Ramone, he said I guess so. You're my hero. Ge said ohh come on.

[@Frumess]

Sounds like something he would say.

[@joeyshabbadoo]

@2:15 he almost says schtick

[@Frumess]

🤣

[@jarmominkkinen9409]

Ho fucking kare The are Legends four ever❤️👏🎼🎸

[@lemonderangello]

just normal people

[@Frumess]

Gabba gabba!

[@danielcastllomarfull]

Normal people? The Ramones? 🙄

[@Frumess]

@@danielcastllomarfull 😂

[@planreview]

“Sub-till”?!

[@Frumess]

??

[@marchenoecker]

@@Frumess Subtle. Gawd this conversation made me dumberer.

[@sufferyt3879]

Pizza Jeff

[@Frumess]

🍕😎🍕

[@autumnthomas1830]

Not Joey ❤

[@Frumess]

❤

[@sexobscura]

They were two buns

[@Frumess]

Buns?

[@sexobscura]

@@Frumess the beef goes in between two buns before eating

[@Frumess]

@@sexobscura 😂😂😂

[@TheEleatic]

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like.............like

[@rubenperez3882]

Pizza Jeff talks too much.

[@Frumess]

😘

[@seanfagan6998]

Note to pizza Jeff you are indoors take off your sun glasses.

[@Frumess]

No.

[@superbug1977]

Pizza Jeff: low talent

[@Frumess]

😘

[@joeyramone8366]

jeff, let the man answer...stop talking

[@Frumess]

Sorry Joey, big fan!

[@kc9242]

Monty is patient, less host more guest, jeez.

[@Frumess]

Then watch the whole 90 minute thing instead of this clip.

[@kc9242]

@@Frumess No thanks, that was enough of YOU.

[@Frumess]

@@kc9242 thank you for taking the time and spending the energy to leave the comments. You are such a gift to the world 😘

[@kc9242]

@@Frumess Thank you for the acknowledgement.

[@Frumess]

@@kc9242 🍕😎🍕

[@seanfagan6998]

Wow Joey and Johnny are opposite. Simple move on I am glad Joey refused to play South America so Marky didn't get that last big pay check. Lol 😆 🤣 😂

[@Frumess]

No.

[@fiddleback1568]

Yeah same here. Marky was a Johnny come lately to the band. And the way he talks and acts you'd think he was the founding member.

[@joel8750]

@@fiddleback1568 He's probably a bit insecure about that. Probably why he downplays Richie's role in the group.

[@fiddleback1568]

@@joel8750 And the fact he's really bald.

[@GilbertSyndrome]

@@fiddleback1568 He was the immediate drummer after Tommy. Not sure in what realm of reality that could be considered "late."

[@rocioenevoldsen3463]

Johnny was a good musician, but a horrible human being. Joey should go away and start his own band, he has a wonderful voice 🥰

[@Frumess]

He was a nasty dude, icons and legends can be complicated.