The Best Arab Rifle Is German - Caracal 816 11.5"

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[@Barnes-ml9wg]

I need to send you my LMT Estonia although i dont think it counts as an HK416 derivative

[@SlaterRecreational]

That would be a great video. Interested to hear your opinions on it.

[@borkwoof696]

Definitely doesn’t count but still neat

[@michaelpaige542]

That extractor support in the barrel extension was actually in the Sig 516’s as well, at least the gen 2’s had it, and the same with the Sig M400 gen 2’s, they had that very same extractor support as that caracal does and I’m pretty sure that is something that actually goes back to the HK 416 if I’m not mistaken, I know it was so the rifle’s could perform in over the beach conditions without blowing out the upper receiver when coming immediately out of the water, they also had drain holes drilled into the lower receiver extension tube as well, these rifles could actually be fired while submerged underwater and function 100% reliably because of this

[@lateforwork8970]

you should try to get a Haenel 223 to review. In the US it's the B&T BT15. Turns out the Haenel is the final step of the 416 to 816 evolution

[@LDB670]

Im pretty sure caracal owns haenel. Same rifle, same company, different name. The b/t has a chroned bcg, but the 816a2 has a normal bcg.

[@MrJayBlackwind]

It’s the same rifle Caracal 816 Parts kit is a Haenel 223. Haenel in Germany just builds the lower and sticks the Partskit together from UAE and their local made lower

[@bmartin863]

Have you seen the price on one of those?? $$$$$$$$$$$$

[@milesrost6674]

Interesting Comment Thread. Cheers

[@wilsoncombat1341]

@@LDB670 The EDGE group owns Caracal and Haenel but the rifles are not the same. Lowers and uppers are similar but everything else is not. Haenel designed the guns the Caracal is the cheaper made version at least the civi model is.

[@hansblitz7770]

I'm not watching anymore AR15 videos until 2025.

[@milesrost6674]

Can you survive that long ;). Cheers!

[@FocusTripp]

Based.

[@adamrodgers2377]

Good luck my dude. 🤙🏻

[@righteousone8454]

See you on our next video, in about a week

[@milesrost6674]

Engagement is off the chain in this videos comment thread. Thanks as always for all the work. - Godspeed

[@sleigh4019]

When they making a turkey 916? Im guessing it be better and 183$

[@milesrost6674]

Like the Canik line, Value based and better than all the rest IMHO. Cheers!

[@jalowery1246]

So many interesting features. These engineers weren't messing around. Very cool.

[@burritoman2727]

That intro music was borderline Sleep Token.

[@Strawman333]

Thought I was the only one that SBR’d a PSA lower. Lol

[@Gnome-A-Tron]

Best guntuber in the land

[@G.W-01]

He pieces together damn good uppers as well I've got his mk3 upper and it's been through hell and it keeps on chugging.

[@Gnome-A-Tron]

@@G.W-01 I have a 300blk upper from him. Huge fan.

[@milesrost6674]

AGREED. Cheers Brother!@@G.W-01

[@Kisara556NATO]

Glad to see you’re now in a free state and out of the people’s republic of WA. 🇺🇸

[@danielhess39]

Great review!👍🏼

[@LDB670]

Just bought this upper. Softest shooting AR ive shot, and very light weight. Im a fan.

[@z-MACE]

I just got mine as well. What buffer setup do you use? He mentions it being over-gassed; do you agree?

[@FocusTripp]

almost every other AR I have shot has been softer.

[@Menhadien]

Interesting rendition of На заре in the intro

[@JohnZ556]

Love how you're being honest about the gas, and also providing info about the buffer and spring. It does look a bit overpassed, but coming from LMT's perspective, 2o'clock is completely normal combat gas. LMT recommends H2 and standard spring for their piston options, I would do so if I'm in a very dirty or arctic environment. That being said, an LMT 12" piston with super42 H3 buffer/spring combo shooting mil-ball ammo is extremely smooth. The ejection is consistently just before the angle of the brass deflector. Which is the ideal 4:00 pattern according to Sprinco. The brass glides on the deflector instead of smacking it and bouncing forward. I choose to make it smooth with mil-spec 5.56 ammo, knowing I always have the option to bump it to the N setting for adverse environments or weak ammo when suppressed if needed in the field.

[@FocusTripp]

Thanks and good to hear! I need to get an LMT

[@newpeupyoass]

The full rifle I got from Caracal came with a full tungsten buffer. Not sure the H equivalent.

[@FocusTripp]

Those are super nice buffers

[@dependablekit5500]

Great video on the PDQ lever I ran a little stiffer spring and mine seems to work great also I thought the additional support to the extractor was a great idea it seems to add a little extra safety to the shooter and I haven't totally decided on which piston upper I am willing to drop a chunk o cash on lol!!!!

[@FocusTripp]

I need to do something to mine to get it to work better.

[@DCunha78]

It seems to be a solid rifle. The ejection pattern was very uniform, that is always a good sign. Awesome content as always Brother.

[@FocusTripp]

Very well put together.

[@kellym3531]

They almost got this upper right. Love the PSA lower and the B5 furniture.

[@milesrost6674]

Same!

[@FocusTripp]

I think if I were going to change a couple things I could make it more appealing to the average joe.

[@stevenkennedy4130]

Impressive. Most impressive...

[@Argentum88]

The reason why the mags fail to lock the bolt back on the PDQ lever (besides the extra mass of the lever assembly) is because spring tension/gravity from the dust cover push down on the PDQ lever from the right side, so unless the magazine follower has a really stiff spring it can't overcome the extra resistance. I run a PDQ lever lower on a Stag left hand eject upper (I shoot left handed) and it locks back on every single magazine I have tried.

[@FocusTripp]

Thanks for the tip.

[@robertrosa1335]

Another Great Video. How can I get one of those fore grip wraps

[@FocusTripp]

Grovtec, code Focustripp

[@robertrosa1335]

@@FocusTripp Thanks you made life that little bit easier

[@thebadlander3608]

It looks SO COOL BRO

[@FocusTripp]

That is a selling point.

[@thebadlander3608]

@@FocusTripp I’d buy it if I had the money, 100%

[@kylesmith7733]

Would love to see you review the pof p415. I’ve seen the uppers for about $1250 and think they offer a good value for a piston upper.

[@fullm3taljacket]

Shout-out to Callaway Ballistics, I love their 300blk...but dang they make such a small amount of that Axe ammo!

[@BlueCollarEats]

This has become my favorite channel, came for the intros stayed b/c of great content

[@milesrost6674]

Intros are lit and reviews on items used and beat up is what I also return to see + dude is cool as hell!

[@charleslowrey9309]

Love the build I did using the upper. Caracal offers a hell of military discount (Looking at closer to 700 for an upper with the discount). I used a spikes tactical 5.4 ounce tungsten buffer with sprinco red spring, recoil is less than most of my DI AR's. 62 grain on the lightest gas setting has comparable recoil to 55 grain in DI guns. Had to use middle gas setting for 77 grain OTM that was about the same recoil from my BCM RECCE 14.

[@FocusTripp]

That a sweet price.

[@blindfiret.v.6908]

You should look into the T 91/Wolf A1 upper receiver. It is a great piston, rifle, upper receiver, but at a better price point than the majority of the others. Also, it is the current Taiwanese fighting rifle that is issued over in Taiwan. I think you might be interested in that one.

[@FocusTripp]

I have reviewed the 14.5" and 12.5"

[@musician445]

Is this Mass Effect menu music? Its so freakin close if not, or at least reminds me of it heavily for some reason. Freakin love it.

[@FocusTripp]

It is sir!

[@musician445]

@@FocusTripp Holy crap i knew it! XD

[@cadeprutzman9771]

“We’re in the U.S. and not in the middle of the desert Me in rural Nevada: “oh okay”

[@FocusTripp]

Hey, it's made for you.

[@musician445]

I know this stuff is designed by guys smarter than me. I'm not an engineer, but I can't help but feel that piston AR's only continue to exist because so many companies build DI AR's with leaky gas systems; and either so few people realize it or so few actually hold them accountable to it. The only benefit to a piston system in my mind, is that it eliminates multiple locations for gas leakage. While thats cool and all..for the added weight, aggressively early bolt unlock, and more frequent bolt breakage; its not a good trade off. Considering you can build a DI AR to have a very efficient gas system that is not as hard on bolts, extractors, and cam pins - I just don't see a reason to use a piston AR. Not only that but DI suppresses better because of the bolt staying closed longer. Example: A carbine length DI opens later in time than a carbine length piston - this is because the solid piston rod initiates the bolt unlock the moment gas reaches the gas port; contrasted to a DI system which has to send gas down the gas tube first. Rifle length gas system has entered the chat and wants to evangelize you to the world of long bolt/ extractor/cam pin life and pleasant suppressed shooting experiences. Most people don't actually understand how the systems work, and so we get solutions to problems that are more easily fixed in different ways. Or by simply building the damn thing correctly. Also, consider why does PWS and LMT use very short dwell times on most of their piston guns? Or why does LMT have an elongated cam path on their enhanced bolt carriers? Both of these design queues are to attempt to reduce the negative effect of extreme early unlocking created by the piston system inherently. Elongated cam path allows the bolt the stay closed a few milliseconds longer so gas pressure drops in the barrel a bit more before being shoved into your face during extraction (worse the earlier it occurs) and the short dwell time simply buys back more of the time you lost by adding a solid piston so that again the bolt stays closed longer.

[@The0nehitwonder]

The B&T APC 223/300/308 handguards are extremely similar how it indexes in with a tab and then top and side torq screws.

[@FocusTripp]

I can't say it's bad. It just seems like a weird way to do things.

[@The0nehitwonder]

@@FocusTripp no I agree. I was confused as fuck when i was breaking down the APC to clean.

[@jackbauer4186]

The over-annunciation is crazy.

[@nomad155]

I heard that CE MULTIPLAYER match start sound. Im not crazy

[@SPECIESUNKN0WN]

Spotted the glitch in the Marix @ 12:54

[@FocusTripp]

Need to up my CGI budget.

[@HB-kp6rl]

I picked a 16” 816 complete rifle for $1300 and an 11.5 816 complete upper for $700 on sale the other day. Figured id check em out and see whats up

[@FocusTripp]

That's a pretty good deal.

[@HB-kp6rl]

@@FocusTripp i wanted a sig 516 also but the dudes that have them wanted way too much

[@alpinaca]

This has been on my want list for awhile but I think the Brownells Danny Defense specials might be a better bang for buck option.

[@FocusTripp]

There are better bang for buck options out there

[@TaiLowRen]

How are those yhm cans holding up and how many rounds do you have through them?

[@FocusTripp]

A crap ton and they are doing surprisingly well.

[@velos3989]

Homies brain broke for a sec 11:04

[@FocusTripp]

autism strikes again.

[@juanthelawnmowerthief1641]

That looks like a lot of wear on the top of the carrier. Wonder how much carrier tilt this upper has. Also wonder what the inside of the upper looks like since it’s aluminum on steel?

[@FocusTripp]

upper looks ok. The nitride does have a lot of wear on the BCG though.

[@duroisgawd]

my wilcox built 816 shoots 1 moa to sub moa depending on load. all day. every day.

[@FocusTripp]

Wilcox does an 816"

[@duroisgawd]

@@FocusTripp they did when caracal USA was in new Hampshire. I scored a complete 16" 816 for 999 dollars

[@mtnbound2764]

what music was that in the intro?

[@FocusTripp]

Na Zare - Atomic hear ost vol 4

[@ThePatriotParadox]

Was going to get that Aero PDQ Ambi bolt lock lever, is it worth it or good? Do you like the BAD lever instead or....

[@FocusTripp]

I have had a few issues with them as of right now.

[@ThePatriotParadox]

@@FocusTripp I was going to machine the lower for fitment unless I tried the BAD lever.... Wonder which lever is the best (since there's a verity now) ?

[@ThePatriotParadox]

Ok a lot but, FAVORITE, LP's, TD pins, barrel type and length, plus scope hight mount?

[@Deleted6374]

I don’t understand why people are still hung up on chrome lining. CHF, yes but all the test have been done. Nitriding literally beats chrome lining in every category except when you get into sustained full auto. In other words, a military application. Even more specific, belt fed. Unless you are doing meltdowns, nitrided barrels are simply better. If you don’t believe me, just do a search here on KZbin and watch.

[@joshmccartney6474]

Chrome is bad for accuracy

[@mysteryman33333]

@@joshmccartney6474 Nonsense. In decades past, yes chrome lined barrels weren't as accurate as stainless or nitride. However, manufacturing processes have improved over the last 20 years. There are plenty of chrome lined barrels out there that achieve excellent accuracy with good ammo. Check out 9 Hole Reviews' recent video on Geissele's URGI and Super Duty uppers. Criterion makes very accurate chrome lined barrels.

[@Strawman333]

Yes. Criterion barrels have a semi-secret chrome lining process. The results are outstanding.

[@Deleted6374]

Yes. Some of the big boys are making very accurate, very secret, chrome lined barrels for AR style rifles. However, go to a PRC match and see how many chrome lined barrels you find. I can tell you the answer is 0.

[@mysteryman33333]

@@Deleted6374 Of course. A barrel made for competitive precision shooting and a barrel made for "duty" or "combat" (or however anyone wants to put it) are two different things. It just dispels a persistent myth that modern CL barrels can't group well.

[@jwbennett4009]

1200$ with out chf barrel? Idk

[@alexmiller5796]

The engineers did testing and basically concluded there wasn’t a notable enough difference to justify the costs. Whether that’s true or not I’m not sure never saw the test results but I believe that’s what I’ve read before on this rifle.

[@ST-zm3lm]

Imagine paying 2-3 times as much for an H&K with a stainless barrel lmao

[@chaoticcaninejb]

Do even understand the difference between SS abs CHF barrels? Advantages and Disadvantages to each?

[@Barnes-ml9wg]

$1200 is actually pretty good. Shoot the barrel out l, then buy the barrel you want and send it to D. Wilson and let him fit it to the upper. Actually I think someone makes HK416 chrome lined barrels in the US

[@AJohnSmith]

It’s actually $1200.

[@Flashhood1425]

I see an Arken EP8… is that review coming soon??

[@milesrost6674]

He's gotta beat the shit out it before giving his honest review. I also await, Cheers!

[@FocusTripp]

Yes, it's fine.

[@gulkash1188]

I'm curious how these all stack up against the LWRC piston guns. Of all the piston "ARs" those are the ones I have actually handled.

[@jacobspurgeon2110]

17:18 diamondback 1-6? New lpvo from vortex?

[@FocusTripp]

I meant to say Venom.

[@petepedro350]

Caracal is imo underrated.

[@FocusTripp]

I think they are a good value for a piston rifle.

[@johnpush4585]

That rifle is made in NH baby!!!

[@FocusTripp]

I know Caracal USA is made here but the title is in reference to the engineers if that was what the comment was about.

[@vegas0012121]

They’re made in Idaho now. Whole operation moved from NH.

[@FocusTripp]

@@vegas0012121 really? Neato

[@swordoflaban6594]

What opening music track is that? It's dope.

[@FocusTripp]

Na Zare - Atomic Heart OST Vol 4

[@Snougaloogie]

I wanted to get one of these but Caracal wouldnt answer my emails or pick up the phone regarding a question i had. Excellent rifle but that dissuaded me a bit

[@FocusTripp]

That is always annoying.

[@milesrost6674]

I hear that, tough to shell out the cash when no one wants to even answer.. Cheers to that avatar name Snougaloogie, I swear you lost a bet to your girl. lol . cheers

[@Mrgunsngear]

🇺🇸

[@milesrost6674]

Thanks for all you do and stopping by. Cheers!

[@thestoic_rn8911]

Do we know if there’s any aftermarket rails for the 816?

[@FocusTripp]

That I am not sure about.

[@user-mj1vb8jr6j]

2 of the best but not THE best. The best would by far without question be Karl Lewis of LMT. God I love that guys work. My damn ebcg and bolt took 1 year of daily internet scanning and 450 dollars to purchase. #worthit. I want a MARS H so damn bad

[@milesrost6674]

Interesting

[@mascasa7502]

I was actually thinking about getting an 814. What would you suggest instead?

[@FocusTripp]

Geissele, BCM, munition works

[@dudenameddylan2791]

I outta send you my lwrc upper so we can keep this piston series going.

[@AVATARComander]

Wonder how the wolfa1/ T91 would stack up in comparison

[@FocusTripp]

They are fine I have reviewed them in the past

[@forestgiest1380]

LWRC IC

[@johnnewisland7720]

Based Na Zare enjoyer

[@RuKuS222]

Needs more cowbell

[@Juliankb39]

VIGIL I GANG I L

[@milesrost6674]

Ahh we meet again... Cheers Brother, have a solid weekend!

[@FocusTripp]

Based and thank you!

[@Juliankb39]

@@FocusTripp thank you, them two uppers are the shit and the vector paragon 4x recommendation was perfect, it is indeed better than the PA micro

[@Juliankb39]

@@milesrost6674 haha we have good taste in gun channels. What's messed up in this day and age is that it kinda takes me aback when someone with integrity makes a whole video without lying.

[@milesrost6674]

Indeed, like when much of the world tells you everything is going great while we are watching it burn.... Should you ever make it to the North Woods of Wisconsin I've got some 20 y/o bourbon with your name on it and I don't drink ;). Cheers - Godspeed @@Juliankb39

[@CHOPPASLUGBM]

lol @5:11

[@nlee2682]

Vortex diamondback 1-6? Does that even exist?

[@FocusTripp]

Sorry I meant venom

[@TheMsdos25]

Caracal? Are you gonna name this rifle Big Floppa?

[@FocusTripp]

It's a cool cat

[@stephenedwards5063]

Is it comparable with normal handguards ?

[@FocusTripp]

compatable? no.

[@R3volutionblu3s]

I was interested right up until you said it wasn't CHF or chrome lined.

[@Snougaloogie]

The engineers that made the rifle determined it was equivalent to their nitride process.

[@R3volutionblu3s]

@@Snougaloogie The bean counters decided the average gun owner in the US doesn't know any better so sell them the cheap stuff.

[@charmingmander331]

​@@SnougaloogieIt isn't but ok lmao

[@Snougaloogie]

​@@charmingmander331CHF CL is institutional inertia stuff and not reflective of reality. FN M4 barrels aren't good because they're CHF (they're not), they're good because of the alloy blend they use. CHF barrels are usually better because the companies that can afford the hammer forging machines can afford engineering and acquisition of better alloys.

[@injuredoutdoorsman9011]

How’s that Arken EP8?

[@FocusTripp]

It is alright.

[@milesrost6674]

Time will tell, then he might share ;)

[@z-MACE]

What buffer setup would you recommend? I aim to focus on reliability.... then proper gas/ejection, and recoil mitigation using an LPM Anthem-S, as well as unsuppressed. How about the K-Spec A5H4, especially since you encountered over gassing issues with the A5H3? I am also considering the JP SCS, the Gen 4 Armaspec spring, as well as the Kynshot Hydraulic buffer.

[@FocusTripp]

Probably just an H3, your can may have less back pressure than mine.

[@navrhy3075]

What mag is that bro?

[@FocusTripp]

Just a magpul pmag with a ranger band.

[@9770G]

Sounds like Focus thinks PWS is the king of Piston ar’s

[@FocusTripp]

It's looking that way.

[@milesrost6674]

BASED AF

[@9770G]

@@FocusTripp so u truly believe PWS makes a better Piston rifle than LMT’s or HK’s 416? If so that’s truly impressive considering PWS’s are 1/2 the price of those or even alittle less.

[@FocusTripp]

@@9770G certainly better than the 416. Haven't shot the LMTs though

[@9770G]

@@FocusTripp wow that’s pretty crazy. I thought the 416 is the golden standard of Piston ar’s. My only gripe with Piston ar’s is I feel they are inferior as a SHTF rifle compared to DI ar’s simply because there are more moving parts and they are all proprietary parts as well. Good luck finding parts for your PWS rifle in a SHTF world.

[@MackTheGovnah]

What is the intro song? Me likes.👍

[@FocusTripp]

Na Zare - Atomic heart OST vol 4

[@lelandvaughn6109]

Is that a 10.5 or an 11.5

[@FocusTripp]

11.5"

[@TheMonstervirus]

No Chrome lined barrel, pass

[@FocusTripp]

USA misses out.

[@MrWeeble19]

You keep saying 816 RIFFLE. But isn't it JUST the upper for $1200? Or does Palmetto supply them the lower??

[@ChrisReparationslul]

Nitride does not beat chrome in my testing. It's easier to manufacture correctly and costs less.

[@infernalsaxon]

Post it then. There will always be an argument about this.

[@mysteryman33333]

@@infernalsaxon 4150 CMV CHF CL will last a little longer than 4150 CMV nitride under hard use, but for the average person shooting a semi-auto rifle, it doesn't matter. Almost no AR owner will ever shoot out a 4150 CMV nitride barrel. Stainless, on the other hand, is inferior to both, even if it's nitrided.

[@ryanmcwhorter8501]

Have you ever reviewed an LWRC piston upper? Those are pretty cool

[@FocusTripp]

No I need to!

[@camoandplaid]

So they built a rifle for Nevada. Sandy and dirty, in lots of ways.

[@FocusTripp]

Possibly, yes!

[@thatguy4779]

Why is this a thing all of the sudden?

[@davidc8527]

The engineer that assisted in the designing of the HK 416 also did the Sig 516 and the Caracal piston sytem so there is a reliable history with these rifles......

[@FocusTripp]

Robert Hirt.

[@mrfawkes9110]

Two nitpicks about your description of the nitride finish. First QPQ and Nitride are NOT the same thing, not exactly. QPQ is a form of nitride but it's a very specific process that takes more time, more heat and harsher chemicals. Second is that QPQ, Nitride, and Melonite(Glock's trademark process nitride) are all limited to the blackened finish when it comes to corrosion resistance, lubricity, and hardness. The benefit of any kind of nitride finish is strictly skin deep. I have a hard time taking anything any company says seriously after they tell me there's no difference in longevity between a CHF and non-CHF barrel, you can't cheat physics. You may not be willing to say it but I will, They are fucking LIARS.

[@DinoNucci]

PizzA

[@joshuabruce9920]

I've been hearing a lot of shit talk about CHF barrels lately. Q talks down on CHF but everyone knows the owner, Kevin I think his name is, is a dick. Dude is very childish. I've seen multiple times where he argues in xomment sections, very child like I should add, with ANYONE who says his rifles are too expensive and that they're not tough. Dude doesn't take criticism well. He typically brings up money or some other way to question if your a "man" or not. But I will say I'm sure not all CHF barrels are created equal. I do see $100-120 CHF from like BCA that make me wonder. Sounds too good to be true

[@mysteryman33333]

Kevin claims chrome lining is inherently inaccurate, which is bull. Many chrome lined barrels can achieve sub MOA groups with high quality ammo, whether they're CHF like Geissele or Centurion, or button rifled like Criterion. Will a stainless barrel be more accurate? Probably, but if you're not doing bench rest shooting competitions, who cares?

[@FocusTripp]

It is good for something and bad for others.

[@connorburnes7697]

@@mysteryman33333My SVD Tigr made in 1993 Izhmash achieves MOA or better with a CHF CL barrel. I do think good steel that is properly nitrided is still a very good barrel too though. I honestly don’t get the big freak out over either.

[@mysteryman33333]

@@connorburnes7697 I don't get it either. 95% of AR owners will never shoot out a nitrided barrel.

[@thedumbguncollector5546]

Basically, the 516 and 816 are “improved” 416s with a few mostly irrelevant modifications and a lot of cost cutting mods and cheesy patent workarounds.

[@FocusTripp]

No, they are way better. Fixed gassing, recoil, reliability, bolt velocity, AR compatibility, port flash, etc.

[@joshuabruce9920]

Dude, I don't think they're alone in saying there's not much longevity difference between nitride/phosphate 4150 barrel and a CHF chrome lined barrel. VSO channel says the same. And I know I've heard that at least 1 other time. If I remember correctly, his opinion boiled down to a typical civilian firing schedule, and the fact that he believes most, if not all, civilians will never shoot enough to really notice a difference. I want to say the video is called "chrome lined barrels are stupid" and he shows the minimal wear difference from one to the other over like a yr of him shooting.

[@Barnes-ml9wg]

VSO also has the iq of a pea.

[@FocusTripp]

typical civilian firing schedule...

[@lucusallen42]

Junk lol

[@deathtothewageslave]

Reporting from the future Goldenwebb melted one of these down only went 587rnds before the piston failed. For comparison- Knight Sr-15 did 574…BCA made it to 600rnds

[@FocusTripp]

Is there some sort of video on this? Also, if continuous full auto it doesn't really mean anything

[@deathtothewageslave]

@@FocusTripp kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYOphaB3mtGHoJIsi=ghyaUXzcRlahdPNQ and yes it’s all continuous full auto.

[@FocusTripp]

I get why people might think it's an interesting test. But it's just not useful to anyone. Something that isn't designed as a LMG isn't going to perform like a LMG

[@deathtothewageslave]

@@FocusTripp let me ask you, what are your thoughts on a 20” HBar with a inconel gas tube. As a ad hoc LMG?

[@Snougaloogie]

​@@deathtothewageslavelittle late but the POF P415 uppers have a few features which seem to make them good for automatic fire