The Best Beginner Motorcycle is NOT a 125cc, it's a…

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[@inferno14u]

My only current transportation is a 2024 Grom. I had plenty of previous riding experience, so it made perfect sense for me as a city bike here in Houston. Getting 126 mpg while only having a 4 mile ride to work is fantastic. Of course, if you need to get on the highway, it would be something that I would reconsider, but if you're in the city, its great.

[@JCRule69]

A 125cc bike has it place, especially in the UK. 125cc is max limit after passing the basic training. We are not allowed to ride anything bigger until we pass the full test. So learning on a 125, whilst you prep for the test, works for several folks. I owned a 125cc for 6mths, whilst I was getting through the test. Once I passed, then I was able to get a bigger bike, and I opted for a 600cc.

[@xXAkitokunXx]

man australia is lucky to have LAMS bikes. Man max 125cc man that sucks

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

If you're a beginner, and you're getting into the situations where the power of a 125 is lacking, you're doing something substantially wrong. The point here is to learn how to ride, not get stuck behind a semi on the highway or being in the most left lane of the Autobahn.

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

And since it's so slow, and you exist in a whole different time dimension on these, you have the time to observe all the little things to learn to pre avoid getting into bad situations.

[@walkertompkins1271]

Bought my an R3 as my first bike today. I am in love with it.

[@charlieredeemed]

"Farting for propulsion" 😂

[@user-vc5rp7nf8f]

NOS

[@philaret607]

He is 100% correct. I bought my 125cc not for my first bike but because my car died. I didn't want a payment and could swing $3000 cash no problem. I outgrew it in a month and was yearning for more power by the second week. Since it's all I got right now if I want some fun I take it on super twisty roads . If I could do it over I'd put the 3k down on a bigger bike. If you buy one you had better have your ego in check. People will mess with you and there's not a lot you can do. It's the most fun I've ever had on the road though and I'm really glad I bought it.

[@KianShaksi]

what do you mean ppl will mess with you? how other ppl relate to you when you driving a bike???

[@SportBikeHaven]

I totally agree that the 300cc-500cc range is a great place to start riding.

[@baesick_nrre]

OC - started two years ago on a Ninja 400 and still on it. Plan is to go to a N1000SX in about two years.

[@goodie124theskater7]

How much do they go for that’s the bike I was looking to start on or the Z400

[@baesick_nrre]

@@goodie124theskater7 I was a fool and bought one brand new. After taxes and everything it was $7.5k out the door. Used they can be found for 4-5k easily. I’d get a 20+ as they upgraded the clutch springs that year.

[@StuG-pr9tf]

at 61 years old I have pretty much given up on finding a reliable used car / truck / van / SUV etc...I am now considering getting my Class - M and buying a Honda ADV 150-160 to start with. I am only willing to spend $3,000 - $5,000 on a used vehicle, so why not spend that amount on a "new" vehicle ( Scooter ) that will be extremely reliable?? I travel 3.5 miles each day to work ( taxi / walk ) I just need something to get me around town to do errands and ride 5-10 miles outside of town to play disc golf at one of the local courses. If I wanna take a road trip I can stay on backroads where the speed limit is 45-55 mph and wear the correct protective gear. besides that, God help me + protect me

[@CrunchDramaNetwork]

That's a great idea, until it starts raining

[@enhancdreality]

​@@CrunchDramaNetwork wet weather gear exists. Asian countries still ride in monsoon seasons. It's a normal thing

[@enhancdreality]

Plus you can always rent a car for road trips or those rare times you need it. Same with Uber or Lyft etc for trips around town with lots of luggage

[@CrunchDramaNetwork]

@enhancdreality lol guess you're right

[@kutthroatbob8983]

Just buy a honda or a toyota

[@Smallbore2wheels]

OC: You obviously didn't fart for propulsion hard enough 😂😂 With regards to the 300 or the 450 being "only" 1k more than the papio, what about insurance? I legitimately don't know. Mini mobbing I'd the best. 1000% MOAR C2W GEOGRAPHIC! plz 😂

[@ChadWinters]

My Royal Enfield 350 cost me 75 bucks per year to insure

[@metricminute8683]

OC I started riding dirtbikes as a kid on the farm to round up cattle on the hills that we couldn't get to on 4wheelers. I then went quite awhile with no access or money for a bike. Took the riding course to fast track my license and blow the dust off my riding skills. I bought a used Honda vtx1300 (I'm a bigger guy.) I loved that motorcycle and quickly bought a 600cc sport bike. Years later I had to sell both for the money. Now I commute on a modded Indian Scout 60 and have a cheap enduro for taking out to the farms. There's definitely something to not starting on something too small. Find a bike that fits you well and enjoy the ride

[@TheFirstCause]

I started on an MT07 for a reason. I trusted myself to take it slow, serious, and keep within my limits while I learned. It isn't about thrills and adrenaline for me. It is about cruising, freedom, and adventure on a badass machine with some actual power. I wanted to grow into the bikes abilities rather than start so small and have no option but to buy a new bike. This has worked really well so far. I would have started on an MT09 if my budget had be right and wife willing hahah!

[@BLANK_ICE]

They are useful in Spain. They are the only bikes 16 to 18 years old can drive and you can get it with an exam or when you have 3 years of experience with the car drivers license. I live in a small town so teens usually use them to drive around the town.

[@stevie9361]

Duke 390 is a stellar bike to start on too! It shreds any curves you can throw at it, it can hang on interstate, can top out around 112mph, an can 2nd gear clutch up.

[@keithkamps77]

OC: I started way back when on a Honda QA 50 and have ran through the gamut of machines up to a Ninja 1000 which I aced for pink slips back don to scooter now very happy with Honda NC750X, don't need warp speed anymore and the bike is highly capable as a touring bike especially approaching 60 years of age.

[@MeloCT]

OC: 16 390 Duke. Coming up on a year exact with it, been an excellent machine to learn on and then go crazy on after getting comfy. Thinking gsx-8s/r for the next bike. Maybe Aprilia Tuono 660 if I can wait a little longer. For now the Duke still remains a riot to ride, definitely recommend. Been using it a lot more than my car lately to commute

[@dennygreen4336]

OC: 97 shadow hard tail conversion. Still my daily. Unknown mileage. Love the vids yall! Keep up the great work!

[@dasshape00]

I ride my grom allover with my wife on back.. damn good and fun bike... I can't believe it hauls us both at 55mph. I'm impressed. Lol Usally we take the 500 rebel but the grom is funny. Lol And I tried this with the Navi. It works around city.

[@lexdfox]

Even though my first street bike is a 125cc, I agree because the characteristics don't lend themselves to anything larger. You can wail on the throttle at any speed and doing the same on something 300 and up you'll loop out. If your riding is strictly city though, it's still awesome, like the funner version of a scooter.

[@2Wheels2Relax]

ok Chase... it's been like 98 in NC, I can't imagine it's much better in GA. You should do a "ways to stay cool" video.

[@chaseontwowheels]

Yea dude it has honestly SUCKED here but we gotta make the videos. I don't have any secrets other than the most air flowing gear and staying hydrated so might have to do some research for this one.

[@2Wheels2Relax]

@@chaseontwowheels I bought a little yarmulke to wear under my helmet that you can supposedly get damp, then put on, for extra evaporative cooling. Haven't tried it yet though. Worried it will just be another barrier keeping heat in.

[@Frank_Torre]

OC: Nearly 15 years ago I started on a Ninja 250 and since then I've not been on anything smaller than a 600cc bike, until I got my Grom. Riding a mini is pure fun, doing all the wheelies and in a pack it's just hilarious hooligan fun. That said I'd never recommend a 125cc bike as a 1st bike. Starting on something like a Ninja 400 will always be the best platform to start on to me. You learn what it takes to ride a motorcycle and you really only need abs as a beginner and the Ninja 400 has it. Plus if you can find one they are going to be a lil cheaper than the new Ninja "500"/450.

[@Tdubxxl]

I got a grom for my first bike 3 months ago and just bought a Ducati 950s and I love it

[@dgrows]

I'm eyeing a 125cc because of 1, yes price 2, just commuting only a few miles no highway 3, it will not let me speed so no tickets with all that said I will get a bigger engine bike later maybe a 500cc. Also I don't understand the buy and sell mind set only riding a bike for a few years is it cheaper or something feel like I'm missing something maybe I'll figure it out one day lol

[@WhoWhereTheBee]

I'm 40 right now, had my license last year and I'm still struggling financially to get my first bike. I was thinking about getting a rather small cc one, so I can have some riding experience untill I save enough for a bigger one... but I think that it may be better to save now (and maybe a bit of help with monthly payments) and get something from 300 cc and later get a small cc for a second bike.

[@baron1c]

I did this and Chase is correct. I was to intimidated to buy a full size bike so I bought the Z125. And I did out grow it in a month. Once I got a full size bike I had to un learn some bad habits that developed from that little bike. Not enough lower. Everything was full throttle. I recommend starting out on a full size (17” wheels and more than 10 hp 😂) like a cb/ninja 250/300

[@Symbol117]

I'm finally, after years of telling myself that I'll do it someday, I'm getting my motorcycle license. It'll still be some time, and money, due to the requirements for obtaining the license, but I have settled on the KTM 390 Duke as my first bike. I'll look into the other three picks just in case as backup options, but the KTM style really appeals to me for some reason.

[@synretro]

Started riding on a Grom and everything you said was basically everything I hated about it. But I didn't make much money and I already had a moneypit WRX (car and bike guy ultra unfortunate lol) But I stuck it through and now the Grom is one of my favorite vehicles ever. I do plan to get something a little bigger but it's not a necessity.

[@Spartan375X]

oc I was not endorsed at the time, I had used my dad's Yamaha 550 Maxim to get to my classes (summer 2009) and I had at least 6 years of dirt bike to go with it. Now my CRF230M is my main and my Grom the secondary in terms of road riding. Might upgrade to a 450RL this summer or next and big bore the Grom, I already did a stage 3 on it.

[@The1stPistolSniper]

I think it also depends on where you live. Living on an island in the city and working in the city my GROM is perfect for getting around. Do I wish that I can get on the freeway? Yeah but also most of the freeways and highways I've been on top out at 65 mph so its not too bad.

[@israel13g]

Bought a grom clone. Ride it for 3 months. Sold it to my coworker. Now idk what bike to get. Thinking of a ninja 500 or gsx8r something I can ride around town and ride on the highway to work it’s only 5 miles away

[@BC.702]

Started on a z125 wish I never wasted money on it. Now on a zx4rr so easy to ride. Friction zone is easy to figure out less stall.

[@Dan-56]

OC: Another group for the 125cc would be students needing cheep in town transportation. I started riding in 1975, first bike was a 1972 Suzuki T250 Hustler that I built up into a cafe style from a basket case. (See my thumbnail 😉)

[@AdamND701]

OC KTM 390 Duke gang. Can't believe you left it out. Also cicada killers are terrifying.

[@carlll6101]

125cc are fun, don't get me wrong. But as someone who did license couple years ago and during riders course rode bikes from 125 to 650cc (all 4T 1252T is different animal, all 2T bikes are), I can tell the 125 was the worse tool for learning for me. I was fighting with bike that was stalling often needed a lot of throttle input and control to move thru the course and it was not little wheel mini bike like grom and others. Pleasant experience and the most room for error and for learning I had on 250cc.

[@smilinjoe23]

My first bike was Suzuki s40 . I went to the msf course and after a few mos of riding, I felt it's underpowered. I jetted the carb, turned it into a bobber, put a big ape hanger and that thing can go around 85 mph 😂.

[@newfolder999]

While me still rocking 100cc moped on highway. It fun but yeah you need power ranger power

[@NemesisDigitalMedia]

Me watching this on my 300R swapped Grom

[@Great_Builder12]

Don‘t forget about EU regulations. In the EU, you HAVE to start on a 125cc bike as long as you are 16-18 years old. Only then you will be able to upgrade to bigger bikes.

[@seventyNG]

I learned how to ride and got my M1 on a z125 and I’m looking to get a real bike. Because of where I live, I have to do a lot of highway riding to get almost anywhere, so I’m looking at a 650 so I don’t have to put too much stress on a 400 engine. Is that a good starting point?

[@TJ-qo2xu]

OC. I knew a 125 is not the play to start with. The dilemma I'm having is trying to pick between the Rebel 500, CFMoto 450ss, or the Yamaha R3 as my first bike. I legitimately love all 3, they all have a good aftermarket catalog, and they are all (I think) around the same price. Any input would be great. Side note: It's sad to hear that CFMoto stopped making the 300ss here.

[@geoffbroderick403]

sports bike a no go,best supermoto lightweight, naked up right sport bike ,truimph bonniville low down weight good throotle easy ride

[@dasshape00]

I started in 2005 on a v-star 650

[@_Cheeba]

Chase I started on a R3, from your video on a R3,

[@EliteJovenAgent]

It really depends on where you live. In America (and in Europe I suppose) where highways seem endless, a 125 really is something like a toy bike. But here in SEA, those 125s are used as a daily commuter. That Pappio is so small though. Even smaller than a regular 125

[@smcs]

True, esp if you get stuck in traffic a lot of times, a smaller cc is more practical

[@DW-py4up]

This vehicle is very America based. A lot of these points don’t apply to Europe and Asia

[@noliberalismeveragain]

.... So anyways don't forget about lane filtering When there is a red light because you don't wanna be stuck behind a dump truck.... I mean lane filtering.... Go between the cars and you can go all the way up to the light and that way you don't get rear ended

[@masonmiller2697]

The Rebel line to me is probably the best starter.

[@snort8989]

OC: started on a F800gt and after 3 years I got a multi V4…

[@FloridaBoilermaker]

OC. 09 Ninja 650 in 2011. It was a brand new leftover. You where one of the people I found during that time on KZbin research. P.S. do you ever speak to Rammy any more since he diapered?

[@aknidmaulana9576]

I just hate switching gears midturn

[@stephenzimmerman193]

OC: I'm on a 450ss and it's all your fault Chase. Not that I'm complaining 😁

[@KianShaksi]

it's funny that in the country when you ride at max 3/4 of year and it isn't your main way transport people want bigger bike... while in countries where people ride whole year and it's main transport - 150cc more then enough....

[@newbbeginnings5630]

OC: im in the process of getting a 2017 R3 im making payments on. once the bike is paid off then it will be my first bike

[@Kabanaboy6]

I disagree I bought the Papio for my 1st bike 3 years ago...brand new $3000+ tax Then bought gear...good gear. I rode...i practiced and learned the basics. But, everyone is different. Now, I have the my dream bike...Ibex 800 Explore ...though i still have my Papio😊 My opinion.

[@Kabanaboy6]

Oh, I forgot, Awesome video C!

[@baron1c]

Also, there are certain kind of wasps that lay their eggs IN cicadas so the larva can eat it as it grows

[@HobbitOfChaos]

The long emphasis on the Z125 haha

[@Uriel-Septim.]

Back in the day, I was always told, not to get anythings smaller then a 500cc so my first bike was a Suzuki GS 500 great first bike IMHO no need (unless it is bc of to days stupid licence rules) to get anything smaller, just don`t start out with a 1000RR that might end you.

[@enduro_j]

You also don’t have the power to put yourself into bad situations lol (speed kills) the mini bikes are fun to wheelie though!

[@dasshape00]

Keep the 125cc and get a bigger bike if u can afford it... so fun

[@JustinStone]

I started on a 125cc scooter. No regrets.

[@smcs]

OC: I wish you were able to review the papio cl

[@Kaboom2711]

I haven't started riding yet, I have been wanting to for a while and genuinely am set on the CFMoto 450ss so I hope I win the giveaway to start riding 😆 the 300ss would also be very nice, even if I don't win I am set on getting the 450ss eventually, it just looks so fun and enjoyable. I appreciate what you do Chase and all of the information you give in your videos. I had been watching your videos for a while, but I think KZbin unsubbed me from you because that's the same with other motovlog/moto style tubers for me. Nonetheless I am glad to see your videos popping up on my feed again and I am stoked for the giveaway. Good luck to everyone else on the giveaway! 🎉

[@RageEx567]

All three of those beginner bikes are so expensive

[@rydeclub]

Damn, this was a decent video, not like mine

[@noliberalismeveragain]

..... Riding 10% larger upsized electric Honda grom...clone...4 months and gonna stick with it for now I keep it indoors at night no gas smell there's a lot of theft around here....

[@mirandaschneck8451]

What are your opinions on the cfmoto 300nk

[@JessicaSimonson1976]

Good starter bike

[@VinCode17]

If you can get a good deal it's worth it.

[@CRatcliffe]

Haven’t finished the video yet but how do the 300cc bikes do if you have a passenger?

[@kenbowlus2995]

Not very well, unless your goal is to go really slow on a slow bike. Max weight rating for most 300cc bikes is in the 300# - 325# range, so two-up pretty much puts you close to, or over, the bikes reasonable abilities. Fun for one person, not so much for two.

[@user-bumblinman]

Change gear cog for the chain lol

[@houseofroos]

Totally agree. 125cc is inadequate in my area at elevation and with hills.

[@aminjz6203]

does a yamaha r125 count too ??

[@matt6267]

I agree with u but i live on a small island and the max speed u can ride is 110 kmph. 😂 Sad truth. 125cc here is more than enough.

[@obeii1805]

1000cc first bike - best decision I’d ever made

[@davidlv]

OC: Cfmoto NK450 was my first bike, but the highway was sketchy on it (people flying by me) so I upgraded.

[@JessicaSimonson1976]

The 450NK and 450SS have plenty of power to do a 100+ mph all day long. There is nothing sketchy about taking them on the highway, unless you ride 30 miles per hour. I ride 94-103 miles per hour passing cars. I have never had to hit top end speed doing so.

[@davidlv]

@@JessicaSimonson1976 on a perfect day, sure, but with a heavy headwind, nahh.. you aren't doing 90+ it will struggle and push you back down to 70-75. but that is my experience with it. I'm glad you are killing it out there. Keep 2 down!

[@lilkash2]

That’s surprising I have a 300nk and ride on the highways where speed limit is 70 with no problem I’d think the 450 would be way better

[@JessicaSimonson1976]

@@davidlv I ride upwards of 75-100+ mph sometimes in all weather conditions: rain, snow, hail, ice, heavy winds I haven't experienced anything like that. The 450SS has enough power to take some riders over 130 miles per hour. You need to tuck in when windy, and nail it to about 9500 rpm's and sometimes drop a gear.

[@davidlv]

@@JessicaSimonson1976 well the 450SS has fairings, so that makes sense. you get pretty beat up on the NK in wind. I don't know, I just upgraded and have been fine since. But, yeah they are both great machines and I loved my NK when I had it.

[@jesterapp]

Mini motos is for selling weed at the local public park, practicing certain stunts or for mastering body position on the track.

[@friskdelosreyes3549]

Do they make a nk400 in the US??

[@mini_bike]

But it kinda is for shorter riders for in town

[@JayDoinkZ]

Chase, how do you get that angle when you’re riding where it looks like someone is riding next to you recording? Not the insta 360 angle but the side angle you did at 10:27.

[@TJ-qo2xu]

That is camera car footage from the first ride videos.

[@kenbowlus2995]

It's the guys from the shop driving next to him in a car.... sorta like somebody is "riding" next to you recording, but they're driving instead of riding (it's a lot easier to film that way).

[@alexle1935]

The best beginner bike ever is the Ninja H2!

[@eliinthewolverinestate6729]

That's like a starter bike for people not yet allowed to drive on the roads. Not a beginner bike for the roads and highways. I learned to ride as a kid on an old 125 cc 2 stroke off road. Then to an old 360 enduro 2 stroke. Highway speeds was pushing that 360. I did finally get a Buell. I am looking for starter bikes to ride orv trails and 2 tracks with my kids. 250 cc and smaller with low seat heights.

[@rileylofin7653]

Hey I have a question I’m 18 and 6’3 and 210 pounds what would be best for my height the new ninja 500 or r3 or cfmoto450ss only problem with cfmoto is reliability but any info would be appreciated

[@certainpointofview3860]

Cf moto 450ss or the ninja 500. Cf Moto 450ss has more for cheaper than the 500 abs and phone connectivity on the screen.

[@CT-ue4kg]

city bikes really.