Obviously I've focused on Canon lenses here but there are equivalent lenses Nikon and some for Sony etc too.
@PhotoSportiv3 жыл бұрын
that looks to me like the non OS version of the Sigma 120-300, i presume youve used it? just seen one for 600€. maybe itll be a good investment untill I can afford the Sport version :)
@RobSambles3 жыл бұрын
@@PhotoSportiv Yeah I've used it - the sport one is better no doubt but this works well as a stop gap
@PhotoSportiv3 жыл бұрын
@@RobSambles cheers Rob for the answer. the results on it okay? Im presuming as itll be on a monopod the non OS with decent s/s wont be a problem.
@colinbradbury23343 жыл бұрын
, Rob, just watched this. Really excellent perspective. Secondhand older versions are definitely the way to go. I am a Nikon guy and shoot sport for local and regional papers. I have a 2004-ish 300 f2.8 that cost me about £1,350 and an older version 70-200 f2.8 that was about £1,200. My ‘wide’ zoom is a 24-120 f4 that came with my D750. Together with a 1.4x converter and a 20mm f2.8 (both of which I have had for about 25 years) that covers everything I need for football, cycling, cricket and rugby which are my main sports. At the moment it’s mainly cricket and the 300 plus 1.4 converter gives me a 420 f4 which is more than enough given that cricket is only played in good weather. Similar story with camera bodies. You can pick up a D700 and battery pack (giving 8fps) for less than £500. I’m contemplating adding a used D500 which are now dipping below £1,000 used and that will give me very good quality 450mm f2.8 with the crop. I have full back page pics and double page spreads in the papers most weeks and the quality of the images is more than good enough. Given the pressure on costs in the sports photography market, the cost of gear is a critical factor for the working photographer. I’m not sponsored or being given gear to go and shoot the Olympics so I can’t drop 20 grand on gear. In the REAL world of local/regional media, the older gear is more than adequate for the job. Keep up the good work!
@warpspeed98772 жыл бұрын
Good luck finding the 2nd (first OS) version of the 120-300mm for 500 pounds! It's hard finding one of the 1st version that works for that kind of money. Usually the 2nd version is around 1000 pounds. And the third (we are talking used ok?) will easily be more than 1600 pounds.
@makatron Жыл бұрын
Agreed, had the first version of the 120-300 and was great bang for buck. Yeah it wasn't for handheld with low shutter due to lack of OS but throw a monopod and you're golden.
@riotrob3 жыл бұрын
Cheap(er) options for Sony shooters: the Canon-mount Sigma 120-300 2.8 (sports, with and without the Sigma 1.4x teleconverter), the Canon 200 2.8 (i & ii), and the Canon 400 2.8 (i, ii, and iii) all work well with the Sigma adapter. The Canon 300 2.8 (i & ii) has shown to be slower to focus.
@RobSambles3 жыл бұрын
I really rate those sigma lenses. Not tried the Sony version though
@quazisanjeed6395 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. Little correction. EF 300mm f/2.8L IS II USM is the last iteration of this super telephoto. There was no Mark III. I'm a hobbyist wildlife photographer and bought this lens four years ago brand new. Most of the time use it with EF 2x III on 1DIV. Also own EF 400mm f/5.6 L USM. Damages were $ 6,200/- and $ 1,300/- respectively. Must admit the cheaper one is not a poorer performer by any means. Do not use third party glass but, that's me. Thanks again.
@konstantinospappas6023 Жыл бұрын
OOO thank you. I just mentioned that, because I have the LII version and I was wondering whether is possible to use it with very good results on my coming Z8 camera. Until now I was shooting with my 5DIV.
@quazisanjeed6395 Жыл бұрын
@@konstantinospappas6023 perhaps no. The lens is Canon brand but, Z8 is a Nikon MILC. U should have bought a Canon mirrorless camera to pair with that lens seamlessly via an adapter.
@konstantinospappas6023 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for prompt reply
@gregstone13063 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your perspectives. I'm a hobbyist motorsports photographer and your presentation was pointed at me. Maybe i can have a 300mm lens. Helpful content.
@RobSambles3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Greg
@mhsvz6735 Жыл бұрын
My travel setup: (1) Canon EF 11-24mm f/4 L and (2) Canon EF 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6 L IS USM. Gives me 11-300mm focal length coverage, but not good for sports. And relatively expensive.
@RobSambles Жыл бұрын
Lovely setup though
@batupaintball10 ай бұрын
From my experience using my gear (not a lot like you offcourse), I think the best for value is Canon lens 55-250mm IS STM. Check the price, then rent or borrow from your friend to try it. But I dont know how though this lens, because I just use it
@Feniche173 жыл бұрын
Good stuff, glad I stumbled upon this channel
@RobSambles3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@njrivetelite3 жыл бұрын
For long lenses, considering that ISO performance has improved on bodies. I have the 70-200 2.8 IS III.. if I want longer I'd buy a teleconverter (I know it will change my actual fstop level no longer making it a 2.8) Or a Sigma/Tamron 150-600 which also Is not 2.8.. but they are sharp & perform well.. I have 3 Tamron lenses.. I have the 15-30 2.8 G2 & 24-70mm 2.8 G2 and 90mm 2.8 Macro G2.. all 3 perform suburbly.. I had the first Tamron 24-70 2.8 vc and it was awesome till I broke it and replaced it with the G2 model which is also phenomenal. For wide EFS Tokina makes an 11-16 2.8 & 11-20 2.8 lens for crop sensor cameras that are pretty awesome
@Adrian-ww2jj3 жыл бұрын
Tokina 24-70mm f2.8. Has no IS, but great optic review from Dxo. I bought it new for 570€. It is build like a tank, but also heavy like it 😉.
@rjpadbatan6693 жыл бұрын
May I also add the Tamron 28-75 F2.8.
@victormeldroo3 жыл бұрын
i use the sigma 120-300 f2.8 ex dg os hsm with the sigma 1.4 & 2x converters, awsome sharp lense when calibrated to my 1dmk3 and 7d, the converters are also stackable unlike the canon converters, canon ef 70-200 f4, tokina 11-16 f2.8, canon ef 17-85 efs is.
@Mathieu_Matheow_Benoit3 ай бұрын
Id say the efs 10-18mm stm is superior...a bit darker than the 10-22mm but it is sharper
@joecool6847 ай бұрын
The only lens on this list that could be a bit more recommended would be the Canon 70-200 F/4 L IS. These lenses are a full stop down from the f/2.8's, but the image quality and the in body IS is just something to consider, especially for the price of an original f/2.8 from the late 90's.
@dbenedict3575 ай бұрын
13:52 EF-S works on mirrorless with the adapter too!
@farhanaslam14892 ай бұрын
Tokina 300 2.8 ATX AF Pro is also a very good lens
@paultrunfull33243 жыл бұрын
Hi Rob, how about the Canon ' Magic Drainpipe ' 80-200 F2.8 I've used it for years Motor Sport/Football/Skateboarding/Biking and much more. For me it gives better color rendition than the newer lens. Have seen them from £250.00.
@PhotoTrekr3 жыл бұрын
When I got back into photography after being away for many years, I had to build my system from scratch. The magic drainpipe was my choice for a medium telephoto. While not as good as the best zooms today, I was very pleased with the photos. I occasionally used it with a Kenko teleconverter with good results. But, I would imagine that they are hard to find these days.
@alexblaze8878 Жыл бұрын
I have the Nikon version of the 80-200 2.8 and it’s one of Nikon’s best lenses!
@felixifloresrodriquez33063 жыл бұрын
Lovr the way to make your video straight to the point
@dbenedict3575 ай бұрын
11:27 F/4 vs f/2.8 is only one stop. Just bump one step up in ISO.
@Corman9113 жыл бұрын
I am one of those who loves a lens conversation. Currently rebuilding my lens set due to switching to the Nikon Z6. Not much out there yet for the new lens mount type. Great video.
@RobSambles3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Cory. I've heard great things about that Z6. I'm sure the lenses available for it will grow quickly.
@WOLFTICKVIDEOS3 жыл бұрын
There are lots of good f-mount lenses for cheap, and with IBIS you don't even have to worry about vr.
@Corman9113 жыл бұрын
@@WOLFTICKVIDEOS thank you for the info
@jrd332 жыл бұрын
Excellent advice, however I think you have to consider whether you are using a crop body when choosing a set of lenses. For example a 24-70 is fine on full frame but not a great choice on a crop body as it just doesn't go wide enough (38mm equivalent on Canon), meaning you need an additional lens for wide angle shots. So for a crop camera setup a better choice would be the Canon EF-S 17-55mm F2.8 or equivalent (I use the Canon EF-S 15-85mm). You certainly can cover the same range with a 10-22 and a 24-70 but that's quite awkward to use in practice as you will often want to go wider than the 24 or longer than the 22, forcing you to switch lenses at an inconvenient moment.
@RobSambles2 жыл бұрын
Yes definitely agree
@konstantinospappas6023 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the nice video. But, I think there is NOT an L III of this lens. I have the L II version which I think You are talking about......... I Pair this lens with my 5DIV and I am wondering whether I can also pair it with good results with my coming Nikon Z8. Thank you again
@GiovanniProximus3 жыл бұрын
Dear Rob, I think your videos are informative but I have a question for you. What kind of camera (with optional lens) is suitable for holidays where I find the following things important: - Portable - Be able to make panaromas - Night photography - Photo showing an object but also a person (no idea how to describe it better) Thank you
@RobSambles3 жыл бұрын
There's so many options for you Johan. Really depends on budget but perhaps something simple like an M50 might be good?
@villageblunder47872 жыл бұрын
Panasonic LX100. Fits in a jacket pocket. Has its own sharp zoom lens. Only £200 used.
@ForrestWest Жыл бұрын
Instead of purchasing the larger heavier and more expensive Canon ef500mm F4 or the EF 600mm F4 I am getting the EF 300mm 2.8 L lens. On my Canon R7 crop sensor I'll be getting 480mm 2.8 and with the 1.4 X lll teleconverter I'll have 670mm at f4. All of this for $1,500 used and $1,500 for the camera.
@carspottin_kj Жыл бұрын
Thanks to the RF and EF adapters, the lenses have gone back up just a bit
@pascalkesselmark75293 жыл бұрын
Hi Rob, thanks for the video. For the 24-70mm range, why not stay with Canon? I got a 24-70mm f/2.8 Mark1 for about 550 £ 18 month ago. Today you can get the lens for 500 £. It‘s a great lens and I think at least as good as a Tamron or even better. The only thing I don’t like about the Mark1 is the big lens hood... but I think this is a first world problem. I figured out that if you are on a budget, you need to be creative and maybe not have everything in f/2.8. For example when getting a fisheye lens, go completely mad and get an older, full manual f/2.8 lens for 40£. I used it many times to shot sports action in the mountains. But as you said before, you will never use the f/2.8 on such a lens. I normally use this one on f/8! The infinity range of a lens like that starts at about 1.5 meters...
@RobSambles3 жыл бұрын
I might consider that for a fisheye you know. I'd like one for some stadium shots etc
@MultiScannerman3 жыл бұрын
Hi Rob I have been watching your videos for a few years and have only just subscribed to it. What I would like to know is which lenses should I use for photographing amateur rugby games, I can photograph from the dead ball line and sometimes from the try line. I have 2 bodies, a Canon 1dx and a 7d mk 2. Enjoy your videos!
@RobSambles3 жыл бұрын
Can't believe you didn't subscribe earlier John! 🤣 For Rugby I personally use one longer lens like a 300mm or 400mm and then something a little wider like 70-200mm or even a 24-70.
@MultiScannerman3 жыл бұрын
@@RobSambles Thanks Rob appreciated.
@rappel67703 жыл бұрын
Great Video, thank you so much!
@johndouglass67076 ай бұрын
At present Nikon lenses dirt cheap. The are the s lens that need adaptor to connect to zoom camera. Still some d500 around. 300 2.8, 300 f4 70 to 200 2.8. All these less than £500 pounds each.
@Redgolf22 жыл бұрын
My favourite is my 50 mm f1.2 Mamiya for my Mamiya NC1000s
@PHEONIX159210 ай бұрын
3:08 Start on lenses :)
@briansmith58433 жыл бұрын
Nice work Rob. Great advice. Wish I had found you earlier.
@RobSambles3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Brian - I'm glad you found me now!
@rjpadbatan6693 жыл бұрын
Tokina 16-28 f2.8 Opera
@PhotoTrekr3 жыл бұрын
When I started, all zoom lenses were crap. So, you were pretty much stuck with primes. Then the zooms became a lot better. Today the zooms are almost as good as the primes. Not only are the lenses from the major manufacturers great, some third party lenses are also great. You might have to sacrifice a bit of range or speed but third party lenses are great when starting out or are budget minded.
@marklauri9731 Жыл бұрын
Informative video thanks and love the Chelsea photos behind you Carefree
@ceesnabuursfauna21152 жыл бұрын
I wonder how the Sigma 120-300 performs on a R6?
@RobSambles2 жыл бұрын
I've not tested it but I'm sure it will work fine
@cstartworks3 жыл бұрын
Great stuff rob, all really great ideas.
@canon-muestrasdefotosyvide79243 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! Consider Yongnuo products like a budget alternative.....
@alexhagen51052 жыл бұрын
How is the original canon 24-70mm 2.8 mark I in 2022?
@orsoncart94413 жыл бұрын
You don't really cover 70-200 f2.8. There are people that don't use Canon and there are alternative lenses. Tamron, Sigma?
@RobSambles3 жыл бұрын
Both make decent versions of the 70-200 but not one's that I've used. Generally the opinion of the third party lenses is that the Sigma is the stronger.
@paddyray61563 жыл бұрын
Another great video Rob.
@RobSambles3 жыл бұрын
Thanks mate
@rjpadbatan6693 жыл бұрын
One could get the Canon 200mm F2.8L for under $500 (US)
@RobSambles3 жыл бұрын
I've heard that it's a great lens
@rjpadbatan6693 жыл бұрын
@@RobSambles thats what I use for my indoor sports events
@hbcimages3 жыл бұрын
Canon RF L lenses cost higher due to company investment into research and development for the new system. In coming years more third party manufacturers would able to reverse the technology and produce competitive products drive the price down.
@betohs3 жыл бұрын
What do you think about the Tokina 11-16 2.8?? , Aim going ti Buy a Lens AND after looking ...ihave to decide canon 10-22 or Tokina 11-16 ...
@RobSambles3 жыл бұрын
I've heard its good but I've not used it. I believe it's 2.8 which is a benefit too.
@betohs3 жыл бұрын
@@RobSambles thanks for your Time...i like both...But the 2.8 Is a plus...
@RobSambles3 жыл бұрын
@@betohs 💯
@Arhpeco3 жыл бұрын
Canon is really good (using mine in difficult conditions many years ) but the main advantage is best barrel distortion in class, and the good zoom range. It is by no means weather sealed but it does not extend, so it does not suck in dust. The millimeters at the wide angle mean a lot. Ive tested the tokina, it has 2.8 constant., is a bit heavier sturdier and probaby sharper. Af is better in Canon but that does not mater in wide angle. If possible test them in store. There is also tokina 11-20 f2.8 that woud probably be my choice.
@steunited19693 жыл бұрын
Is there a 300mm 2.8 MK 3 lens out yet because i can't find it listed anywhere.
@RobSambles3 жыл бұрын
No not yet
@steunited19693 жыл бұрын
@@RobSambles I wish they would soon as hopefully the 2nd hand price on the MK 2 will come down by 3 or 4 hundred quid.
@RobSambles3 жыл бұрын
@@steunited1969 Yeah it should reduce it I reckon
@Arhpeco3 жыл бұрын
24-70 category, I woud swap cheaper tamron for a bit more expensive G version that is software ubgradable and offer f4 Canon alternative that does the same thing. There are also a lot of more options on the wide angle but understandaby you speak out of personal experience... Coud you do something similar for prime lenses?
@RobSambles3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I definitely could
@prestonmoore90703 жыл бұрын
Do these lens work with the R5
@RobSambles3 жыл бұрын
I don't know for sure I'm afraid. Most work with the R6 though
@sprayhawk8083 жыл бұрын
Compelling vid - perfect timing. On the 300 - I had been considering the Sigma Sport, now looking at the older, non-OS version. Why shouldn't I also look hard at the original Canon 300 2.8 L (non-IS)? Aside from the zoom capabilities of the Sigma, is the Sigma @ 300mm better than the original Canon? Thanks!
@RobSambles3 жыл бұрын
That original Canon is a great lens too - I used one for a full season before moving to my IS version. I would say the Canon was probably sharper than the Sigma @300 but then again the price is normally a bit more
@sprayhawk8083 жыл бұрын
@@RobSambles Got it - appreciate the feedback. I'll keep that in mind while comparing options.
@gameandbros54623 жыл бұрын
Any recommendations for sony A mount?
@umeshwaghmare69123 жыл бұрын
Glad to have you.. subscribed
@DelvesPhotos3 жыл бұрын
Another great video Rob. Loving the content! I have the 70-200mm f2.8 G2 Tamron lens and love it. Great quality and image stabilised. I got mine used for £700. I also have the Sigma 17-50mm f2.8 lens. Great crop sensor lens and had for under £250 as I remember.
@RobSambles3 жыл бұрын
I've heard good things about that one yeah!
@ald4989 Жыл бұрын
Where exactly do you get the Sigma for under 500?
@RobSambles Жыл бұрын
Ebay is best normally
@dbenedict3575 ай бұрын
Oh geez. 70-300!?!?.. let’s not get crazy here.
@ekevanderzee95383 жыл бұрын
And... the Tamron 24-70 has stabilisation. In the real world, that will give sharper pictures more than the small compromise in sharpness will cost you.
@sportsshooter25743 жыл бұрын
One lens worth mentioning is the Sigma 300/2.8. Light weight, cheap, excellent IQ / AF ( almost as good as the Canon 300/2.8). Downside is no-IS, not very good in direct sunlight ( flare), poor IQ / AF with the Sigma TC 1.4x. When I need a lightweight tele shooting sports and leave my 400/2.8 L IS MKI ( weighs 5.6Kg) I take the Sigma. Lens is discontinued
@RobSambles3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I know someone who loves that lens actually
@ekevanderzee95383 жыл бұрын
Bodies..... yes, 2.8 is 2.8. BUT iso 1600 now is not the iso 1600 that it used to be. And a 45 MP full frame gives you a 2x cropfactor compares to a 23 MP sensor from even three years back. So, with an albeit expensive modern body, you can get results that the lenses quadruple the price would get youb years ago.
@MultiScannerman3 жыл бұрын
Hi Rob, is there any chance you could show us subsribers a tutorial video on Photoshop cs6 please?
@RobSambles3 жыл бұрын
Hi John. I actually have one about lightroom going live tomorrow but yeah I'll do photoshop at some point
@1964karlos3 жыл бұрын
There’s no such lens as a Mark III version of the 300 F2.8! Not yet anyway. There’s a Mark III 400 F2.8 but the 300 is still only on Mark II.
@RobSambles3 жыл бұрын
Yeah you're right there
@btecww2 жыл бұрын
Sold subscribe you saved me $$$$
@UraFlight3 жыл бұрын
Are you the Chelsea supporter ? Or did you make those Chelsea photos ?
@vladimirivanov63533 жыл бұрын
Respect to Canon ! I am Sony :D
@jamesseward92633 жыл бұрын
Another 70-200mm f2.8 to consider is the Tamron. Very sharp and half the price of a new Canon. www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1317272-REG/tamron_afa025n_700_sp_70_200mm_f_2_8_di.html