The Best Daily Driver! - 2023 Model Y (w/4680 Structural Battery) 6 Month Owner Review

[@brandenflasch]

Thank you guys for watching and for sticking around with my 1.5 month hiatus - a much needed break from KZbin with the holidays and lots of traveling. Be sure to follow me on Twitter / X if you’re not already as I’m quite active there. twitter.com/brandenflasch Accessories video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rH6komedeKlrZ5I Accessories thread: x.com/brandenflasch/status/1695852243180732753?s=20 Model Y Top 10 Likes and dislikes: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZnbaZRsmL1pbqs 1 Month Model Y Review: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l4nRgJx7fdqZndE Model Y 4680 range test: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3OkaJKbfJefhM0 Model Y 4680 charging test: kzbin.info/www/bejne/paGbkq2Flt97kJY Tesla referral: bflasch.com/tesla Tessie referral for 30 day trial: share.tessie.com/vVUM65lVqBb

[@pedrorodriguez7327]

Love your content! I bought 4680 after I started seeing your videos, I want the a high quality and smoothest ride in a Y for back pain and this was the perfect solution. Any chance you can contact Tesla and ask about performance upgrade for us with 4680 Y and a lot of referral points ? ;)

[@brandenflasch]

I wish!

[@Salty1952]

A great and honest review, Branden. Sorry the 4680 batteries haven't lived up to the hype. I have a '23' YLR and have zero complaints. Great car and my first ev. I've had great ICEs, but will not go back. My first ride in Tesla was back in 2018 in a XP100D. Completely blown away by the acceleration and tech. Took me 5 years to convince my wife, but now she sees the reality too. It's a great car. With prices falling and Chinese competition spurring Tesla and others on... stay tuned. It will keep being very interesting and rewarding. Keep up the good work!

[@tonyjipechala88]

Thank you for your honest criticisms. It is so refreshing to see this on a Tesla channel.

[@brandenflasch]

I might mostly be covering my Model Y, but I don’t consider myself a Tesla channel, but rather just an EV channel. Happy to call out the good and bad on all EVs.

[@martynjlee]

From various different angles the wrap never fails to delight and surprise!

[@brandenflasch]

I love it every time I walk up

[@ToddHarrison-k4u]

I have missed you Branden. Welcome back. I purchased my 2023 MY 4680 about a month before you so enjoy your updates. Agree with everything you said. Love the MY and only complaint I have over the 8 months of ownership is the charge curve. Will continue to cross my fingers that Tesla can improve that with a software updated.

[@johnpoldo8817]

Nice review, Brandon. Appreciate your honesty on weak charging curve.

[@DavidPass_NC]

We bought the same model as you, about 2 months prior to your purchase, and apparently have the same build quality as you. It's a very quiet and smooth ride.

[@teullet1]

My model Y LR has no wind noise and weird noises, picked up in August '23 . Very happy with it

[@chrisrowe22]

My RWD LFP also shows 98.9 SOH according to Tessie. 1 year 16500 miles.

[@berthogendoorn2133]

I had a 2023 Ioniq 5 AWD long range for road tripping as we already have a great 2020 Kia Soul EV Limited (64kwh) for our runabout, we did actual road trips that have total 45K KM, The Ioniq we sold as 7 months without Fast DC charging and 6 service trips was enough and we bought simply a stellar 2023 Tesla AWD Long Range (in April one of the last Fremont built as now Canada is bring them from China) and it took 3 hour off our typical road trip from Vancouver, BC to Calgary, AB. It charges so fast, just a stellar road tripper and of coarse plenty of version 3 superchargers on many of lour long distance routes and within a few week our other route From Vancouver, BC to Edson, AB via Highway 5, 2 new version 3 superchargers are built long that Kamloops, BC to Jasper, AB Route and about to be energised, my road trips are getting better!

[@uberacx]

4 weeks into my MYP and i am loving it every bit. And yes mine still came with Ultra Sonic Parking Sensors and a shifting stalk.

[@brandenflasch]

You must’ve bought used?

[@brewatch]

Wow, I had the wrong idea about lfp vs 4680 charging limit. We planned to get the 4680 but the day we pulled the trigger it was removed from the page😢. We settled for the MYLR. So far so good. I guess it worked out! Thanks for the informative video.

[@brandenflasch]

Sounds like it worked out for you!

[@LearningFast]

I would take poor Tesla charging on the Tesla charging network over any vehicle with only CCS1 charging. I know they have said that they will open the charging network to some companies in February but I will only believe it when I see it. Thank you so much for being the Guinea pig for this trim level. I know it is a bummer for your needs but you helped a ton of people realize that this isn’t the trim level for them. I have seen incredible efficiency gains with 18” wheels and the Hankook iON EVO AS tires and my Model 3 Performance. My lifetime average over 24k miles is at 261 wh/mi and I can do 235 wh/mi with these Hankook tires now even with all of the Drag racing I do. Maybe swap out the wheels and tires to gain some efficiency. That might offset the charging issues a little bit?

[@brandenflasch]

Maybe when it’s time for new tires anyway I will

[@Light23K]

I’ve driven mines for almost a year and it’s still under 10k miles.

[@benwinslow3101]

I agree with the end about used EVs - lots of options out there now. I think this year could be the year of used EVs.

[@brandenflasch]

Forgot to mention it, but great deals on F150 Lightnings too (new and used).

[@HeyItsJay24]

These 4680s also have a hard time staying warm. My regen spends more time inactive than useful. But makes sense, big battery, hard to warm up.

[@coupequattro]

Still surprised you never got the Y LR. I figured any incremental increase in range would be better for the type of long distance driving you seem to do.

[@tomdiviney3424]

We have the same '23 AWD version as you (purchased in Aug '23)... At the time, the price of the LR was 'only' $3K more, BUT in our state, it crossed the threshold and we would have also lost out on a $3K state tax credit. So, the net difference was $6K. Not worth it to me since road trips are quite uncommon for us. Also, regarding efficiency, we have the standard 19" Gemini wheels and our lifetime efficiency over 5159 miles is 242 Wh/mi. The driving scenario clearly makes a big difference, and your high percentage of road trips certainly hits your efficiency. Luckily you don't often pay for energy ! Maybe the AWD was the wrong choice for you because of the poor charging speed, but it was the right choice for many... We have been very happy and agree it is an excellent vehicle.

[@davinsuan2999]

I purchased a model y with 4680 battery just a month before you picked up. After you picked up yours, I was really happy because I can learn about this model y with new battery. Unexpectedly after 3 weeks, there was a lousy whistling noise coming from font driver side. And Tesla they tried their best but they couldn’t fix and sitting at service center for around 3 months 😂😂. Now they repurchased my model y with 4680 battery and refunded all of the costs. Now I purchased a new model y long range. Even though I don’t feel good about my recent MY 4680, I’m happier for that defect because I feel like I got a better one now😅😅 and got a free ride for 6 months 😆😆

[@brandenflasch]

Sounds like you lucked out!

[@davinsuan2999]

⁠@@brandenflaschYea 😊.. Thank you for always sharing the experience you got !! 🙏

[@shou635]

Can sometimes find the wind noise by putting tape everywhere and slowly removing it during testing.

[@frumpd63]

We have a 23 MYLR and largely agree with criticisms. Our vehicle however has a shrill, high frequency squeak / chirp that happens from the front end in the cold that Tesla has not been able to resolve, even with a new FDU. It is honestly unbearable and we are not sure what to do because we otherwise love the vehicle.

[@johnchristopher7697]

Great video Brandon!

[@berthogendoorn2133]

If I recall your battery pack has a approx 60KWH total, so your charging on version 3 supercharger (10-80% in about 40 minutes) is about the same as the Tesla Cyber truck in split pack configuration when using a 500 volt version 3 supercharger. I would have thought the charging would have improved on the Cyber version 2.3 4680 battery.

[@brandenflasch]

It’s about 68kWh, so a bit more than half.

[@gabeh7373]

Took delivery about two and a half weeks after you got yours (7/17) , 4680 Austin built Model Y Blue 🔵 with black interior. My distance is 20,753 as I write this with 5,086 kWh @ 245 Wh/mi I've been extremely pleased with how efficient the 4680 Model Y is at least with me compared to my 2020 M3P that I had it's not even a comparison, of course that one didn't have a heat pump but still this is way more efficient than I thought going into it. My driving is probably equally split between city and highway, but just curious why is your average energy so much higher? I know you do a lot of road trips but do you think that's the majority of your miles so far?

[@nextgentesla]

@gabeh7373. Was thinking the same. Our 2023 MY 4680 variant has 242 wh/mi with about 70/30 city/hwy. Typically estimated range avg 300 and took several road trips and avg 280 range. Must admit I have these Cybertruck Aero caps that has extended the range between 15 to 20 miles.

[@gabeh7373]

Yeah your experience seems to equal mine as far as efficiency 👍🏻... I don't putt around either. On the highway I move with traffic with bursts of 90+ even triple digits sometimes so it's not like I hypermile it everywhere 🤷🏻‍♂️ You have a link to the aero caps that you're using I'm curious what they look like? Thx

[@jamie.andrews]

Thanks!

[@brandenflasch]

Thank you so much!

[@jamie.andrews]

@@brandenflasch Yea man. Gotta support a fellow KZbinr and EV owner!

[@RickSmith1]

Great video! Question, did you see the recent software update added supper for better (faster?) charging with the 4860 batteries? I'm curious if the charging curve is better now on these models after that update?

[@shou635]

Even opening up the supercharger network will most likely not be as seamless as a Tesla. A Tesla can auto reroute to known locations, precondition, charge to your credit card with no need for app.

[@brandenflasch]

We’ll see how it goes.

[@PraiseYAyoupeople]

call me crazy but I think new parking assist 3D rendering very good. I drive many cars at work with 360 birds eye view and much prefer Tesla gray rendering.

[@rdrice1960]

After about 6 months of ownership, I literally traded my 4680 MY for a LR yesterday. After discounts and tax credits, I essentially traded even up. I also own a LFP M3, so it's not the limited range that bothered me. I loved the 4680 MY, but the charging curve was a huge disappointment.

[@brandenflasch]

What did you get on trade?

[@JeepJab]

I sold my 4680 Y for a XPerf. Acrually regretted it. Now own a YLR with the accel boost (free with loyalty points). I will say the 4680 was built better, the structure was stiffer with less creaks(there aren’t many in the new Y) but old one had less. If you don’t do long trips the 4680 is very good

[@vlad2838]

On a lark, I just submitted for an online trade-in quote from Tesla. (I have the same model as Branden, with 15k miles.) Their offer? A revolting $33k. In the words of Bjørn, sheeeeeeit.

[@LearningFast]

@@vlad2838they are offering me $28k for a 2022 Model 3 Performance with only 24k miles. Resell values have been obliterated with the price drops.

[@rdrice1960]

​@@brandenflasch I sent you a DM on X with the details. I did not want to share my trade with all of KZbin.

[@JEB9]

Do you prefer your base model y over the Rivian model you had? Your thoughts on the new r2 vs the rwd model y? Thanks much for your videos!

[@nicolebradley3959]

Happy new year 2024 I've had my tesla for three months. I love it ❤ but I don't have the stuff other than measurements and lines when parking.

[@777Outrigger]

You're understandably skeptical about the 4680 batteries, and range increases and charging speed increases. But I'm skeptical about the CCS charging infrastructure improving with good reason as well. For years, CCS charger makers have said the charging experience will improve soon. It should have been fixed years ago, based on their predictions, and it hasn't. .... And non-Teslas using the Tesla infrastructure may not be a panacea either. If you look at Plugshare reviews of Superchargers with the Magic Dock, many CCS EVs are having some trouble. Some EVs are and some aren't. These particular SCs are rated down by CCS car users and don't usually have the Plugshare 10 ratings that SCs that service only Teslas usually have. And I've had a Fremont long range Model Y for 13 months now, and I've had the same experience as you with no creeks or rattles, and no uneven panel gaps. And I've had zer0 problems. I couldn't be more pleased. My wife just got an Austin long range Model Y as well (not 4680), 3 months old and no creek, rattles, or panel gaps, or other problems either. And I love having full access to the SC system.

[@dvanmartin9842]

The only rattles in the Model Y is that dang cargo cover. I have driven my Model Y (4680) on road trips and the charging up to 70% - 80% was 15 to 25 minutes. Not bad.

[@brandenflasch]

Let’s see the charge logs with those charge times - I’m skeptical

[@haanc2]

@@brandenflaschThat's...interesting... The deepest supercharge I've done with mine was 17% -> 60%, which took 19 minutes. I'll have to run it down and try a 10 to 80.

[@kayrealist9793]

What year is your car?

[@mini2nut67]

2021 Model Y LR owner here. 48k trouble free miles since new. We test drove a 2023 Y P with 21” tires two weeks ago and it actually drove smoother(?) The harsh suspension on our 3/21 build is our only complaint. Tesla must have addressed the suspension on newer models.

[@berthogendoorn2133]

Branden, I had the same wiper issue of dry wiping, but that is history now with the Holiday update, and if it does you can actual turn off the wipers in Autopilot, I ask Elon that all I want for Christmas are functional wipers and he delivered! Also I did not notice this before the Standard Range AWD spec has all LED Reflectors on the headlights, that is new to me.

[@brandenflasch]

Mine aren’t better 🤷‍♂️

[@shou635]

@@brandenflaschI just use manual delay. I’m fine with that option.

[@kayrealist9793]

Is the Model Y LR AWD 4680 battery imrpoved or the same as the 2023?

[@brandenflasch]

LR is a different pack

[@AlexisUrena]

Multiple notes, Wipers are way better after last update, not quite perfect but way better. FSD has gotten considerably better ESPECIALLY on the highway! I continually get more and more zero disengagement drives. Most of my issues stem from making full stops at stops signs, people just do not do that in real life. About your degradation, seems to be slightly better than my two 2170 cell vehicles, but the slower charging is a trade off that's meh. Otherwise, fair assessment. In my opinion as it stands today all of this still makes the M-Y solidly best overall vehicle considering its size and price. Last note; Tesla will not just open up the complete network for many years, so don't expect that advantage to disappear for quite some time.

[@brandenflasch]

Wipers and FSD are marginally better in my experience. Tesla is opening all V3 sites - that’s very substantial.

[@ba177ba18]

how u know u have the structure pack?

[@brandenflasch]

Every Model Y AWD (specific trim, not LR AWD) is 4680. I’ve also pulled the carpet back and verified.

[@teullet1]

The cargo cover is been in my garage since day 2. Annoying

[@brandenflasch]

I like to keep my cargo covered

[@TeslaJohn]

Another good video Brandon two bad about the 4680 battery pack keep on making those videos John from Minnesota

[@shou635]

I have USS but that is not perfect either. Doesn’t see poles and can overlook curbs. As far as 360 cam, I guess you didn’t see that Rivian video where the guy banged into another vehicle even though the 360 cam looked fine.

[@brandenflasch]

USS + 360 cam is far more useful IMO. Had it on my Rivian and Polestar.

[@KameelMotionFit]

Would you recommend MYLR or wait for Junioer

[@brandenflasch]

Depends what matters to you and how soon you need a car

[@KameelMotionFit]

@@brandenflasch tested the car many times, I feel the current price 45k not bad for the LR and benefits of the -7500 federal pos , Don’t know when Juniper will be ready and wanted to replace my current car that has 300k miles ;-)

[@jasoncurrington7793]

Funny how passengers cause more damage and dirt than the owner! At least its not just me LOL!

[@joel89039]

Once the cybertruck can charge at 800v i wonder if there is a chance that it will generate less heat while charging? Maybe it will have a different built in curve for 800/1000v chargers? As is right now its charging is just as disappointing at the 4680 model y. So far we have loved our model 3 lfp. It charges great. Nearly has the same kw curve as the cybertruck after 30%. In a battery half the size.... Real let down

[@brandenflasch]

Changes nothing at the cell level

[@joel89039]

@@brandenflasch where is my math/ logic messed up? 123kwh battery is 400v 307ah. 800v 153ah. So in the 400v config there is 307ah going into the pack to split between all the cells. With 800v it is only 153ah. Is it because the 400v config puts the pack into 2 parallel packs reducing the amp per cell to the same c rate?

[@brandenflasch]

@@joel89039 the cells get the same whether the truck inlet is getting 400V or 800V.

[@jordanbutcher7140]

So the 2023 LR doesn’t have the 4680 batteries?

[@brandenflasch]

Correct

[@jordanbutcher7140]

Thanks so I should be fine then? How long does like 10% to 80 take on the newer ones? And what’s pre calibrating your Tesla mean??

[@XKS99]

360 cams are in general not great.

[@brandenflasch]

Totally disagree

[@matthewevans2831]

X thread

[@brandenflasch]

?

[@laloajuria4678]

meh, your wh/mi went up to ~380.

[@brandenflasch]

That’s less than 3 wh/mi

[@undrachvrsage]

Tftc

[@ianbladuell2694]

You have me listening to you started talking about 4680 batteries when you’re not expert in the subject matter and saying that Tesla dropped the ball. Please don’t make assumptions of what you don’t know about since you’re not an engineer

[@brandenflasch]

Do you know better?

[@ianbladuell2694]

@@brandenflasch No I’m that’s why I will not make that barbaric comment that you did or uninformed assumption

[@brandenflasch]

@@ianbladuell2694 just because I’m not a battery engineer doesn’t mean I don’t know enough to comment

[@ianbladuell2694]

Keep telling yourself that.

[@teslatalk42069]

why do you basically troll Tesla on X (Twitter)?

[@brandenflasch]

I don’t. I call out the good and the bad.

[@shou635]

@@brandenflaschon X, it seems mostly bad.

[@superset5]

Tesla said you didn't need a tire rotation? lol. They just didn't want to rotate the tires. Service dept just laughing and laughing

[@brandenflasch]

They came out and turned down the money - tread depths were even.

[@shou635]

On my model S dual motor, I never rotate tires. Have 110k miles on it now. I get rated tire range. Just got 3rd set bit long ago.

[@brunoheggli2888]

No

[@brandenflasch]

No what?

[@rickdeckard9810]

You’re fooled into pre paying for gas for next 5 years for the price you pay for a Tesla.

[@brandenflasch]

lol what?

[@shou635]

EV owners have owned both gas and electric. 90% of Tesla owners won’t go back to gas. That should tell you something.

[@Chadwicky35]

What are you talking about? I paid about as much as a Subaru Forrester for my Y