The Best Deck I Don't Play

[@ethanglaeser9239]

You said “there’s no content for high power casual” and also “we could make that content”. Go for it. It sounds like there’s an industry hole to fill. I’ll watch it.

[@psychedelicsewell]

“You will run out of removal. I do not run out of threats” is the hardest line any deck has ever earned.

[@Azeria]

that feeling is EXACTLY why I’m an aggro player

[@steamh4mmer264]

My deck thats 30% seamonsters 40% water and 30% seaweed

[@dongdoodler]

​@@steamh4mmer264 dont forget about the fetilizer

[@maximiliancunningham6598]

High power casual content sounds like a blast! Some of my favorite games involve everyone rolling up to the table with their own boss music playing, and throwing hands.

[@TheAngelRaven]

This has given me more of a desire to push to improve my Soul of Windgrace Jund 'Em Out list. The deck was originally made to combat a high-power LHA Urza deck and is now being shifted into pure 'I'm going to Strip mine you out, attrition you out, and stall you out'.

[@Zombi3NinjaKing]

Nah dude you slam that Obliterate with pride

[@markpan]

"you will run out of removal. And i don't run out of threats" is the most green thing to say

[@ThatWeirdAtom]

This is almost yugioh gameplay with how much tutoring, redundancy, and resilience this deck has. The only thing its missing is playing during every other turn. This is a piece of art.

[@loganusher591]

I play with lots of my friends on Tabletop Simulator and its our brewers paradise! Use any cards you want, easily and quickly swap and tune decks, and never worry about playing a deck and hating it because you can just load up a new one! Then, when you find a deck you love, you can purchase or proxy it for when we are able to get together to play in person!

[@thetrinketmage]

TTS is a great way to get that same feeling for sure!

[@stefanmettler9021]

Doing the same thing with my playgroup. Because we all love brewing so much, we have a new deck almost every time we play.

[@JP-bn9dn]

You should keep it as is. I always miss my old nostalgic decks after I tear them apart or do a big overhaul. It's worth it just to keep for the memories

[@fasterbuilder11]

I would love to see this deck in action! This deck sounds awesome, and I don't think you should scrap it.

[@AseAPS]

You're right about your assertion that some people leave casual because of casual players. I was bullied out of casual. It didn't matter what store I was at or how hard I kneecapped myself. People just got mad at me. Then, I played cEDH and everything was stress free. I only recently came back to casual. I'm having a better time now, but I think that's more to do with my approach. I limit myself by budget and not by power now, and I always oversell my deck by a whole power level. I'd rather get killed on the table than bullied above the table.

[@verzen]

Casuals make me feel bad about winning

[@Arctanis-vt3hl]

@@verzen Well, you shouldn't lie about power level if that's what you're doing. Casual means "I don't care about winning", it really doesn't have anything to do with what cards are being played.

[@verzen]

@@Arctanis-vt3hl I didn't lie about my power level. lol We sat down to play one game and I whipped out my Massacre girl: Known Killer deck that has like 13 board wipes in it and they whined about it and complained about it.

[@verzen]

@@Arctanis-vt3hl And the reason was, is because I was board wiping every other turn and drawing into more board wipes.

[@aaabbb-gd8no]

Me and a few friends (who are in college) have recently gotten into magic, and we're in a similar situation of infinite paper access and proxying leading us to play high power commander, but not c-edh because we're still trying to make (somewhat) funky decks. 14:10 we're the same anomaly, so that's pretty neat.

[@thetrinketmage]

Keep brewing!

[@gramndk7298]

the lebron of magic content

[@maxbenjamin7212]

Just a thought, maybe you could play around by having more "packages" you could interchange with your big greedy ramp package as a base? Lots of things can capitalize on that level of consistent mana. Like, maybe you could swap some big dudes for X spells for a game, or landfall for mass land animation, or abusable activated abilities or something like that, and interchange them out as you like, almost like swapping parts in armored core (GOATED video game for those who are unaware). A modal deck, if you will. I hope I explained my point to where you can see what I mean. Anyway, thanks for the video, you're one of my favorite MTG creators 🎉🎉

[@solarmyth1945]

I love grindy decks and this Mina and Denn and your Salvaging Station decks are my jam. Really made me take another look at decks with value/removal engines. Maybe you could make a video going over some?

[@thetrinketmage]

Maybe I’m planning on brewing some new decks so keep an eye out for those

[@jonathanrichman2330]

keep the deck together! it is so cool and it should be worth having it around for the last game of the night where everyone takes off their gloves. My personal strongest deck is Ms. Bumbleflower where it is a bant poison deck. I use her ability to give evasion to toxic creatures and then proliferate the poison and +1/+1 counters. I like her as my high power deck since poison gets past many other high power strategies and I can focus down the combo players pretty quickly if I need to.

[@St33ldancer]

Your deck sounds a lot like my Flubs deck, though I toss out silly ideas like "consistency" and focus more on making it so I essentially play the entire deck in one or two turns. The basic idea is discard my hand, play flubs, and then get as many static card draw and extra land plays every turn. When i get to the critical turn i can play up to like 8-9 lands in a single turn, and with effects like Lotus cobra and nissa i can make enough mana to cast everything. Its extremely silly because it has such explosiveness but because I'm playing literally entirely from my library, exile, and graveyard. Its currently my favorite deck to whip out, though I've started warning players about just how explosive it is, yet people still underestimate the silly frog.

[@tron_the7the9]

You talking about this deck in another video inspired me to make a variation of it! My first land deck with Kirri, Talented Sprout at the helm.

[@r3playyyy]

High powered EDH is what me and my friendgroup enjoy the most and I would love to see gameplay around it on this channel!

[@kaleidoslug7777]

High power casual is exactly what I play and I'd be down to watch more about it

[@excel297]

I have a stella lee deck that wins through pure storm, but specifically kept out any infinite untaps. It is BY FAR my favorite deck, but i never get to play it. It threatens a win between turn 4-5, but in order to speed it up I'd have to make it borderline CEDH, with infinite untaps. I feel your pain, I'd love to be able to play that deck consistently.

[@CMARTification]

Every time I go to my local game shops, I tell new people that my deck isn't high power but if you leave me alone or don't have good non creature removal I will win. Without fail I will win the first game and people will say my deck is broken all because my deck was able to do its thing while I stopped them from doing theirs.

[@deltismalvae]

My usual group loves playing at high power, but not competitive. Sadly, we don't have much time to play and test anything or a real way to make proxies. We still try and do what we can but usually end up at mid power over high power. I'd love to watch content about high power, non-cedh games. I have always enjoyed watching high-level gameplay of most games I enjoy.

[@TheLuckySpades]

I have a deck that I consider high power casual and used to have a pod to play it with, but I moved and the stuff I considered more on the casual end is overperforming with the people I've found here, the old place didn't have a cEDH scene, but there is one here, so maybe that's why? The variance in local metas is insane Also I would watch webcam gameplay of the deck you got

[@thetyzonator]

I definitely think there is room for more high power edh content

[@eliamagri7413]

My playgroup is in the exact same situation of your old one. We proxy everything and we play 4 "formats": budget, mid, high and cedh. And I have to say high power is by far the most fun, for the exact same reasons you said. We dont play fast mana and zero mana interaction, and for the rest everything goes. I actually have a Mina and Denn valakut control list. Its game plan is just to get out valakut and blast everything, while slowing down my oppents with stax. If you want i can share my list, but i also suggest you not to touch your deck. You spento so much time and love, and for what i see it is a work of beauty. The time when youll find a pod where to play it will come

[@melind82]

The closest I can say is back in the day I built a way too powerful deck for my group and lgs. It was a wort the raid mother (back when she was considered tier B and before cedh was really a thing). The deck was in designed much like yours with way too much ramp, tons of draw (largely through cantrips), and about 6 viable wincons. It could consistently win by turn 6 (quite fast for the time). I think I played it maybe 15-20 times before I took it apart and I'm not sure if it ever lost. I tried weakening it by removing the strongest wincons but it didn't help all that much since it would just win under the strength of overwhelming value and become kind of durtley on the road to winning. And eventually I took it apart. My only real suggestion is you make sure to write down its best decklist, the one you love. I've tried to reconstruct my deck again, since it'd be fun to play against the current decks which are quite a bit more powerful than the stuff we used to play with, but it never really hummed like that original list. I guess what I'd say is take it apart if you can't really play it, but hold on to the deck list since you never know when you will want it back.

[@RoscoeKane]

This deck is like my eldrazi deck, but stronger. I don't see this deck losing much at all. Make a budget version of the deck, where it's the same concept, but the whole deck is like $100 or something. That version is probably playable at a random LGS.

[@franciscovenegas1391]

I'm very curious about the Scorpion God that appeared briefly, I've always had a special place in my heart for that commander but ended up dismantling the deck because it couldn't keep up with the commanders my friends were building

[@rulamagic]

What would be good against this deck? Opposition Agent?

[@thetrinketmage]

Yes that would hurt this deck A LOT

[@thechubbletelescope]

I just want to say I found the combo before the video came out. Last night.

[@Raghetiel]

Funny enough, I have an opposite problem. A lot of my local pod games don't go too long since everyone have enough power to start doing its thing by turn 4, and possibly win by 6-7. And so, I'm archenemy of our pod because my decks aren't too greedy, but very synergistic, resilient, and running sufficient amount of answers for a variety of threads. Grave hate, targeted land removal, life-gain, answer to indestructible/hexproof, etc.

[@Snipfragueur]

"Anything goes... except CEDH" sounds kinda murky to be honest. I imagine plenty of people showing up with a Gitrog deck for example and people are going to complain that it is a CEDH deck, despite Gitrog not really being a CEDH contender anymore. If you really want to make a high power casual category/format, you have to define precise rules and bannings. That means banning cards, even if those cards are only strong in a combo. Banning combinations of cards would be a better alternative in terms of "balance" and "fairness" sure, but then it becomes too complicated to track and probably not worth the hassle.

[@rudyh721]

Man kessig wolf run feels unfair in these greedy rampy decks I absolutely love it

[@ShawThing323]

The problem with "anything goes other than cedh" is: not everyone goes to cedh goes to cedh events or knows the meta or what a cedh deck looks like. Some people consider any deck containing any infinite combo to be cedh. Sometimes it's a deck with a 2 card infinite regardless of mana cost. Sometimes it's just a deck's dollar value. The cedh "format" is a comforting one in that you never have to worry about making your deck too strong. Anything else and you need to manage expectations. Our group recently did a $100AUD (~$65usd) cedh deckbuilding challenge and it was awesome to cut loose without worrying about being too fast or high-power but also without essentially netdecking some $10,000 ad naus beast.

[@metoo1477]

I have decks like that, but I also play in insane playgroups… I literally have to build decks to go to my local shop with, so I don’t feel bad.

[@metoo1477]

I just looked through your list, I mean this in the nicest way, your deck has a lot of fat in it from what I can tell. Not to say it probably doesn’t perform well, but there’s definitely room for improvement.

[@thetrinketmage]

What would you change?

[@SeriosSkies92]

I went and ordered a nice epson inktank and found the infinite magic card glitch too. Im lucky. i found another high power anything goes (but we're clearly not doing cedh) group. i have two of these decks, that im just not allowed to play them generally unless im in that specific pod and im still fine with that.

[@Zombi3NinjaKing]

My LGS group plays stax, T5-ish combo wins, and land destruction. Opposition Agent isn't uncommon. Sometimes salt flows but at the end of the day it is all love between the community out here. Keep that ish together and keep bashing heads

[@Bird-06404]

I got into a weird place with high power commander. I build Urza lord high artificer, and every time I bust it out I either became an instant arch enemy or I won the game pretty quickly through either a lock down or a combo of some sort. I always said it was about an 8 to 9 since it took a little bit to win the game and lost to specific removal no matter how many counter spells I played, after trying to get it to work, I have decided to binder up many of the pieces and play either Cedh or lower power commander since that’s just what works for me, but I sometimes want to play that deck again, I just have many of the pieces scattered about in other decks, and while I proxy, I didn’t save the list at the time so would need to sit down and rebuild it

[@lukebortot7625]

Decks like this are the reason I play the decks I do. I hate battle-cruiser magic. I hate playing it, I hate playing against it, and most importantly I hate losing to it. Because of this, basically all the decks I play are specifically built to beat generic mid-range decks. I almost always am running some sort of low to the ground, aggressive, and extremely disruptive strategy.

[@edmundcampbell5893]

A thought about taking decks apart. If you’re gonna take apart a list you have fallen in love with (or just really enjoy) make sure that you keep the list available to you. As someone who took apart my favorite deck and didn’t keep the list, it’s one of my biggest EDH regrets. You won’t regret taking the deck apart tho. It is kinda weirdly freeing, you now have space for a new deck in that archetype, or to find a new favorite deck. I won’t recommend either way tho, it ends up being a much more personal decision than you’d think.

[@tomtheterrifying8592]

Hi. Me and my group play what you would call "high power edh" or "high power casual". We have been proxying for years and have developed a unique meta; several of our decks have a "light" land destruction element to them, and I have definitely had a land fetch opposition agented before. Suffice to say, I am exactly the demographic for "high power casual" content.

[@isaliew]

Yes please. I want to see more high power games.

[@KiallVunMyeret]

I think it would be a cool experiment to keep the deck as is and see if it's still as powerfull when going against decks with newer cards

[@thecrimsonfkr2818]

Keep the deck, sounds like it's fun. Also, yes, very much I want to see high power casual.

[@JamesPatrickDonnelly]

I really like high power EDH for you really try to get everything out of a strategy, while not limiting yourself to CEDH viability. My LGS and my playgroup both have a pretty high power level I would say so at least and I love to bring out Auntie Blight, either swinging for leathel in turn 3 or blowing the table up with Repercussions. I think you should keep the Deck, for there is clearly a market for high power EDH!

[@tmgeise]

If you like it, keep it around. The whole "Yada, yada, yada sparks joy" thing. I have a very similar Gitrog Monster deck, but more graveyard focused. Started out as cedh, but that's not what my playgroup wants to see night after night. Got it down to a little over $900 and no infinite combos. Cutting Gaea's Cradle in a lands deck was heartbreaking. Still, it maybe my favorite version of the deck because i can play it with my friends and have a good time. I chose differently from you and focused on mana dorks and 2 to 3 mana synergy pieces with a craterhoof finish. I also advocate for high power, non cedh deckbuilding.

[@shorebot]

I have a 5c pile with a similar gameplan: ramp hard and overwhelm the table with so many bombs. It pretty much has no interaction because resolving a bomb is often enough to snowball into a victory. I'd say keep the deck.

[@alastralguardian]

id love to wath that match.

[@Spamhammerful]

I'd love to see webgames of this and other high power decks

[@EzekielGalang-vt8rq]

This guy is my goat

[@Searanaz]

Highpower content or a monthly deck review of high powerdecks. For me, i feel like I am stuck in a rut with sub level 7 brewing. I would also say: keep the deck :)

[@goten3268]

I so want to see you break out this deck to see how it runs. I would hate to see it go

[@jonassieroux6284]

I remember using mina and denn as second commander in my omnat precon wich was my first deck, because me and my playgroup just started playing. It was defenitely fun just because its so fast. I personally would love to see you rebuild it or turn them into something new. But i guess that this deck is not so much about the commander...

[@Sushi4Tetra]

I'm all up for watching more high power content

[@Zee-jp9vn]

I know you dislike him but I have a 5 color eldrazi deck that has a similar game plan is there anyway I could send you the list for some advice I love you video and really want your opinion. It is playing really strong and I have played a lot of cEDH but I want to push it up in power

[@thetrinketmage]

Reviewing decks is a perk on my patreon! Not to be that guy but if I opened it up to anyone for deck help I’d have literally hundreds of decks and wouldn’t ever get through them

[@Zee-jp9vn]

That's fine thanks for responding that means a lot

[@Zee-jp9vn]

@@thetrinketmage if I joined the patron for one month could I get the deck advice without signing up for the discord

[@wouterivens4121]

It's a bit iffy comparing magic and commander decks in specific with what was considered "high power" 10 years ago. SO MUCH has been printed that with some semi-intelligent scryfall-fu you can make almost any strategy highly consistent and synergistic just because of the sheer amount of cards that has been printed. Even looking at the precon quality nowadays, it's imho actually hard to not brew a high power deck.

[@Kanelbroed]

Lands-decks has to be the most powerful thing to play in casual EDH. I think it's mostly due to the entire gameplay revolving around a card type that you aren't allowed to meaningfully interact with, say for a stripmine or two. Which doesn't matter cause all lands decks run ways to play lands from the graveyard. I find that in casual EDH, there's zero reason NOT to play an archetype that just gets rewarded for taking a basic game action. Where one can also hide behind the unspoken rules.

[@Mulletdog1]

I really want to build a mono red deck but want to know what a good ratio of engine/finisher cards could be. The commander is ashling, flame dancer

[@Cynidecia]

I would love to play high power EDH as MLD.

[@BanditZRaver]

Bring back land destruction, kill those Landfall decks we need to shame people who unironically play Landfall knowing that everyone else is being "polite" about destroying land.

[@el_floppo9159]

As a grindy land destruction player, I approve of this

[@Ms10000123]

Land destruction doesn't stop landramp at all. If anything, landramp is best suited against land destruction because it can recover better. It is like trying to counter lifegain with lifeloss, a fruitless effort that will end up draining the other players and yourself more than what it targets. If anything, stax and counterspells are the answer to landramp.

[@BanditZRaver]

@Ms10000123 probably but land destruction ina Singleton Format is more effective than any other format. All it takes is a Generous Gift to break the Glacial or Maze of Ith stall. With Land Based Decks knowingly abuse that people are socially told to never target land. Basic Lands isn't the issue with Ramp its the amount of Nonbasic Lands with the addition of "telling the Blood Moon" player that if they disturb their "land combos" they will be archenemy. It's basically always favored for the Combo Players to bully out Staxs and or Targetted Land Destruction decks. A Voltron deck for example will usually run a Rogue's Passage, and they know people don't ever target a Rogue Passage, YET the other players also seemingly keep the Voltron player "in -check" with socially reprimanding the Voltron Player for using Rogue's Passage as intended.

[@Ms10000123]

@@BanditZRaver So you aren't talking about landramp/landfall, which don't care about the kinds of lands as long as they enter and RAMP into mana. You're talking about utility lands and how to play against those. I've never seen anyone say that it is unfair to remove utility lands.

[@lawrencehu7654]

@ms0000123 For superfriends decks at least, the 4ish turn window that something like Armageddon makes is usually enough to bag a win.

[@noise.s]

I do avoid high power a lot like I either play a 6 or cEDH. Since I don't play it much I can't say why I dislike it so much. My first commander deck was when Shorikai had come out and I made him into a really powerful list with tutors and combos and control and it won, a lot, and it felt bad so I started to trim it down and down into a untap theme with wacky pieces, and I loved it! Every other deck I made since ended up into that camp of nichely themed highly synergistic. They are weak decks tho because I prioritize, the even tho weak card, synergy piece over the generally good staple. And that's what I like to see others too do. Money reasons too. Not to mention I have 2/13 decks that have green, a 4 color and Meria that has like less than 10 green cards and they ain't ramp, the green dislike keeps me away from high power too XD. Instead cEDH has a total different feeling to it, play patterns of heavy interaction and fast hands are fun when EVERYONE does it. High power edh is Nascar to the cEDH formula 1 and casual Mario Kart. It just ain't fun

[@atogg]

Damn, this video just makes me hate my player group.... i am a brewer at heart and love making rly powerful decks. The problem is, my playgroup plays a lot of battlecruiser with the feeling that the longer a game gous, the more fun it is (all of this is just boring to me). So basically, i am forced to be the super hipster brewer that only plays weird and janky decks to not frustrate the other players...

[@avall0nNn1992]

This deck is a million miles away from what I would call high power. Games that end between turn 4-7 with efficient infinites, good tutors and some pieces of fast mana and free interaction are high powered. They lack something in every aspect like the best combos in Thoracle and LED-Breach lines, a complete package of any of the categories but are still super dangerous. This is just an expensive casual deck imo.

[@jaceg810]

I think I have a high power list, Mostly because I have a deck I would call a 7, if I put the combo pieces and tutors back in, its stronger, probably an 8. And I have a yawgmoth deck that is basically dedicated combo that I would estimate to be stronger. Question is, should I just shift all my ratings down one, a "9" is hard to define.

[@aidangray8715]

keep it together? of course!

[@Sam-bm6yf]

Its interesting, cause I have one low power deck that I never play cause everything my lgs plays is high power casual with the only decks that are shunned are scarb god cedh, teysa karlov and my own Ral Monsoon mage list Also SEATTLE REPRESENT !!

[@urbaraskpraetor3316]

I have a muldrotha deck like this, i can't play it at most tables, when i do play it i am the archenemy the whole game, and i am either combo'd out, or i win. I don't think its a 90%+ winrate. Combo decks are fairly common. But its probably 70%. Feels bad when people run out of threats to remove, because as a muldrotha deck i can't run out of removal

[@Susie_Legion_DBD]

Personally, High Power Casual is my Pod's entire thing. That's what we introduce it as when a random sits down. We proxy everything and all of our decks have your mana crypts, your tabernacles, we run MLD, our only rule is don't combo off before turn 2. I would love to see a youtube series like this. cEDH is just boring IMO. Also, I would hate to play in a scene that wasn't okay with you just proxying everything. I dread stepping out of my bubble.

[@redzone4412]

I would 100% watch high power edh

[@ethanglaeser9239]

I say don’t scrap it. It is important. At least keep it and build a second one.

[@somesquirrelguy4707]

you should keep the deck for sentimental value alone!

[@notcaboose4415]

this is just like goreclaw but with red

[@ratdoto2148]

EDH is EDH, talk about whatever version of it you want in my opinion.

[@cedarbobedar7223]

keep your deck handy - the way precons have been going, they'll be at your level eventually lol

[@cedarbobedar7223]

also, just like go to an LGS and talk to people - lots of people have a high power casual deck in their bag they would love to put some reps on

[@duncang3062]

a deck being able to win on turn 3 or earlier does not make it cedh viable, and there are plenty of excellent cedh decks which can't win on turn 3 (without an insane nut draw)

[@thetrinketmage]

Correct technically if your deck can be ready for multiple opponents to win by turn 3 then it’s also fine in cEDH though those lists ultimately would just do poorly in high power

[@ocarinafrek]

Idk if you've gotten to the point where you don't interact with the comments, but, I need help, I have 2 decks that are SO close to being done, I need help shaving off those last few cards to make the decks ready to buy, could you help me?

[@nertak7518]

"any fun theme or synergy you can think of can work at a high powered level" This just isn't true. Hardly any themes can compete at high power. It's not a theme deck if you win by running generic good stuff staples. If I show up to high powered commander games with an actual Merry Pippin deck that is supposed to actually win by making a bunch of food tokens so pippin can give the soldiers I made with Merry +3/+3 I will never win a high powered game ever. And if my Merry Pippin deck actually wins by craterhoof or some other staple then it's not really a Merry Pippin deck.

[@thetrinketmage]

Sure you can! I saw spell shaper tribal, walls, treasure decks, Voltron, enchantress (auras and non auras), artifact aggro, artifact combo, blink decks! My friend made a blink Voltron deck with Roon at the helm where he could swing with roon and blink away blockers to trample over damage! With enough support cards you can have anything become strong!

[@majinvegeta6364]

Omg the theme deck purists 🤦🤦🤦

[@Cheesehead_Caleb]

You shouldn't scrap the deck.

[@buildings_and_food]

yeah eldrazis are lame

[@tethler]

There are way scarier things than eldrazi in high power, lol

[@buildings_and_food]

@@tethler I didn't say scary. they are LAME

[@tethler]

@@buildings_and_food why are they lame?