The BEST driver NEVER to win an F1 world championship!? | David Coulthard & Eddie Jordan discuss

[@DFSJR1203]

David and Eddie please, please keep this going. You two are perfect together. I hear so many interesting and funny stories. I tune for every show.

[@gchampi2]

Sir Stirling Moss (rip) for me. The man could drive & win in damn near anything, F1, Sportscars, Rally,Touring Cars, etc. AFAIK, he's also the only driver to ever talk his way OUT of winning the championship, when he stood up for Mike Hawthorn at the 1958 Portugese GP. His doing so led to Hawthorn's 2nd place (& 6 points) staying, only for Stirling to lose the championship by 1 point. I had the chance to ask him about this years later, and he said he had no regrets, as it was the right thing to do at the time...

[@twillis449]

Those 1950s drivers were real sportsmen and gentlemen. I can't see Max ever saying that Lewis should have won the 2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix

[@sabataskull9661]

​@@twillis449 And I can't see Lewis doing the right thing too

[@Ingens_Scherz]

Perfect choice.

[@StirlingMoss-v1k]

My username portrays my opinion

[@lindsaybyron5599]

and his sister was a good naviagtor

[@jeremywentworth1833]

Just so brilliant now FFS has gone to KZbin , can't miss it when solely a podcast not as enjoyable just listening. Chemistry or should that be love between DC and Eddie is clear to see !!!

[@sthillarys52]

I can’t believe how when DC & EJ were part of the F1 commentary team for BBC & then C4, how there seemed to be no end of friction between them, & dislike for each other, & now they are the best of pals & creating such entertaining podcasts & KZbin videos, with such amazing chemistry between them 🤣!

[@Time4utube]

Podcast excellent and all KZbin much better when can see their reactions

[@slopat2503]

Thank you fof the Gilles Villeneuve shout out. My childhood F1 hero. Broke my heart when he died.

[@victormendivil359]

Me 2 !

[@ballaking1000]

As a Canadian, I'm always happy to see this shout out- not NEARLY spoken enough aboot.

[@williamp6800]

I cried when I heard, and I never cry.

[@glennward2525]

Me too. But when Jacques won in 97 in such fashion over Schumacher. Took my breathe away and a tear to my eye. One of the greatest moments in F1 history.

[@ducciocolombi7729]

Personally the ones that come most to mind are of course Stirling Moss, then Peterson, Villeneuve and Reutemann. They would all have deserved at least a championship.

[@martinhami3]

Kubica as well. He was damn fast

[@gordonallison3638]

Robert Kubica definitely comes to mind

[@buildmotosykletist1987]

Yes. One of the GREATS.

[@richardwilton722]

Those citing Gilles Villeneuve should look at some results. He was runner up in one season. Stirling Moss was runner up four times in a row and then 3rd place three times.

[@andrelegrange3139]

Yip greetings from South Africa 🇿🇦 Eddie

[@johng94x]

EJ looks absolutely fantastic for his age. Very very sharp as always. Great podcast guys absolutely love what you're doing!

[@richardlawton1023]

Thanks, brings back so many memories. Ive been watching since the mid 60's. You both bring so much to the sport. Thanks

[@samsimpson565]

Has to be Sir Sterling Moss. Most race wins of anyone not to win a WC.

[@Mutapahawk]

authentic conversation makes the show compelling - great

[@douglasdejager8450]

Hello from South Africa! I hope F1 can return to Kyalami!

[@_Diamond-Dog]

It's a curse and a blessing to know F1 from the late 80s to 94 to 21 Nothing else compares

[@00wheelie00]

I watched my first live race in Zandvoort in 1985, and saw Lauda win. I had watched F1 race reports since I was 4 y/o in 1979. Cars have fascinated me since I was kid.

[@_Diamond-Dog]

@@00wheelie00 nice , those were the days , the cars , the drivers were another league imo

[@Time4utube]

Love now as much as I did 29 years ago

[@spotthedogaye2921]

Obviously it's Sir Sterling Moss. Honourable mentions: JPM HHF Berger

[@someoneunseen5168]

Berger? Nope. Did he ever finish 2nd to senna at mclaren? He had a championship winning car 1990-91. Not WC level.

[@lotus72e]

Ronnie Peterson. In 1973 he was head and shoulders faster than Emerson. Even with inferior equipment during 1974-1976 he won races. If he would have been more lucky during 1973 he would have walked it. Even in 1978 he was trailing Mario by 12 points when he died. They actually made an agreement between them that they would race each other from US GP at Watkins Glen and on. Such a sad story that ended at that sloppy Niguardia hospital in Milano.

[@theiceman7590]

​@@someoneunseen5168the McLaren wasnt the best in 1991 though

[@MarkSiosal]

I​t wasn't? Senna won 8/16 races and Berger won 2.

[@theiceman7590]

@@MarkSiosal Senna won 7 and Berger 1

[@clivereeves6892]

Sterling Moss.

[@captainobvs5898]

JPM, Eddie Irvine, HHF, even DC, Mark Webber, Robert Kubica are who come to my mind

[@kb5509]

Eddie Irvine was never winning a championship.

[@Bm-ct6lk]

Who is HHF?

[@talvezfelpa]

Heinz Harald Frentzen ​@@Bm-ct6lk

[@captainobvs5898]

​@@kb5509 i mean in 99 it went down to the last race between him and Mika

[@captainobvs5898]

​@@Bm-ct6lk Heinz-Herald Frentzen

[@johnlanham4050]

Stirling Moss without doubt look as his race record.

[@kevincoombs7348]

Talking about Stirling Moss, years ago I was at Goodwood FoS admiring a row of beautiful 250GTO's and realised Moss was standing next to me. We chatted like two chums at a bar and he was absolutely charming. He went on to drive one of the Ferrari's.

[@mikaelbihl-matias9462]

Robert kubica could've been WC without his accident in rally. He still remains up to this day one of the most eclectic/complete driver ever.

[@GTI8855]

He could in theory, but Alonso didn't manage to do that in Ferrari during his 5 years.

[@DanielDorn-tr7tw]

He is also currently beating his co drivers in WEC every time

[@MastaMS21]

Without ranking : Stirling Moss, Jacky Ickx, Dan Gurney, Carlos Reutemann and Francois Cevert.

[@jesuisallamaisonwiedmaier3861]

So no driver who is under 70 years old ?😂

[@jkim6200]

​@jesuisallamaisonwiedmaier3861 Cevrrt's body was sawed on half at Watkins Glen. He never reached old age.

[@Time4utube]

DC thanks for having F1 on free to Air To TV for the time we did.🇮🇪💚🏁

[@paulfearn551]

I love listening to your old Motorsport stories and on today Motorsport podcasts I see EJ when I worked at Raynards and made DC Vauxhall lotus for Stewart racing and I was a marshal at Silverstone as well I used to love watching the cars. I'd worked on running around the track with great drivers in them and your stories bring it all back.and thank you for that I think a great drive like Rubens Barrichello

[@tonyroberts8910]

Like it! It’s Topical, it’s Nostalgic, it’s informative, and…It’s Funny. Something that’s actually good to get immersed in. Keep it up. Cheers.

[@SilvestreFrers]

I listen with my 14-year-old son, he feels that they speak very well, having been in F1, I spoke to him about Jordan as a boy as an example of how a small squad could against great teams and David as one who lacked that luck to be champion

[@jonelson1983]

Carlos Reutemann and Ronnie Peterson. Probably Jacky Ickx as well.

[@AugCorreia]

Gilles Villeneuve, no brainer. Also JP Montoya, Ronnie Peterson, Stefan Bellof, Stirling Moss, Tazio Nuvolari, François Cevert, Michele Alboreto.

[@nicolasgarcia248]

Gilles was fast, but he was also an unreliable idiot. Do you remember that race at Monza where he puncture a tire, and instead of going back to the pits slowly he drove as fast as he could? Well... Driving that fast was the reason that flat tire destroyed the suspensión of that car. Montoya is ok, Ronnie probable, bellof and moss for sure, cevert i don't know alboreto definetly not.

[@mike04574]

@@nicolasgarcia248 yup im surprised no one has said didier pironi. Hot take but i feel like he would have done better

[@nicolasgarcia248]

@@mike04574 Didier... Awesome driver. My top is Moss, Reutemann, and Heinz-Harald Frentzen.

[@patrickquirke888]

I was a guest of Tom Barnard at BRDC Silverstone for 3 yrs in the late 90"s. I even got to walk around Jordan F1 factory. Those were the days my friend. Now I'm a paying punter and the contrast is beyond description. Still, I'm going to Budapest for the race this year. Great value track

[@JockStrapp-o4j]

G'day I really enjoy your FFS , I remember being told by adults to go away as it was an adult conversation, holidays were Skegness, Great Yarmouth 7 in tent Great memories

[@Chrisibear300]

Could you guys invite Claire Williams to your podcast? I'm sure she has great stories to tell

[@biastv1234]

This shop is absolutely fantastic. Keep up the great work

[@KM-ABZ]

Just keep up the good work lads and the great interviews, Alan Brazil was brilliant, he's some boy 🍻🍻👍🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@carlgevers2557]

@32: something... Magic camping & caravan memories here from SA. And living in durban and being told to go o sleep in broad daylight in the Cape on our annual caravanserai

[@jimchik]

That’s great.. “A German joke is no laughing matter”. 👍🏻🍻 Greetings from Hamburg.

[@nicholasjohnson6724]

Cheers from Australia 🇦🇺, love your work and the gee-ups!!! My answer: Elio de Angelis. Go Oscar Piastri 🏆

[@McRocket]

Recommendation. Place times when each question is being asked/answered. That way - if short of time - we can scan for the questions that interest us the most. Great show. ☮

[@robertryan2228]

Great to hear you guys with your amazing experience in F1 and listening here in NZ helps remind us of NZ;s acheivements in the sport with Bruce, Denny and of course another unlucky Mr Amon among others, heres hoping Liam gets his chance! keep up the great show guys

[@iskandartandiono]

Rene Arnoux, Juan Pablo Montoya

[@ljw5768]

Nah.

[@1greenMitsi]

arnoux?? Pironi and Villeneuve were superior

[@jkim6200]

​@@1greenMitsiAnd Arnoux was good, but Prost had his number

[@ingocernohorsky]

I hope they will Interview Eddie Irvine one day

[@Time4utube]

Eddie probably day no unfortunately

[@Nekudza]

Edmund!

[@Vermiliontea]

Stirling Moss and Ronnie Peterson stands out. I mean they were absolute top notch, top drawer. All the others discussed here were great of course, but not really self evident World Champions in the same way.

[@ljw5768]

I often wonder what Stefan Bellof would’ve achieved.

[@DanielDorn-tr7tw]

He would have made it very difficult for Schumacher to get his first championships

[@AugCorreia]

@@DanielDorn-tr7tw try Senna…

[@DanielDorn-tr7tw]

@@AugCorreia Well the question was if Stefan Bellof didnt die

[@AugCorreia]

@@DanielDorn-tr7tw Stefan Bellof was the quickest driver in the famous Monaco race won by Alain Prost. Everybody talks about Senna being faster than Prost but Bellof was even faster.

[@chrisbee9643]

@@AugCorreia I am a huge fan of Ayrton, AND YOU ARE RIGHT! Stefan smoked everybody in this race. Including Ayrton! I am from Germany. My take on Stefan Bellof: He would have taken at least one title, given the right car. My take on Ayrton Senna: He probably would have prevented Michael from getting the Ferrari seat. Why? Because he probably would have won 1994 and 1995, if not retiring maybe 96 and 97 as well. The Williams was very strong after Ayrtons death, even to the end of 1994. Hill was nowhere near Sennas level and I highly doubt Jaques would have been, too... Both dont die and have a lengthy career: I cant even imagine without shedding a little tear... I bet some would never have won a single title: - Damon Hill - Jaques Villeneuve - Michael Schumacher (he maybe would have beaten them once or twice) - Mika Hakkinen And maybe the GOAT discussion would be between Stefan Bellof and Ayrton Senna... Who knows... Jacky Ickx and the Williams FW16 robbed us of a lot of action and numberous rivaleries, we never got. And that is very sad! (Yes I am blaming you Jacky Ickx!!!)

[@frictionstreaker]

Ruben’s Barrichello, I would have loved to see home win a world championship such a nice bloke, and a good driver. Would also be nice to get him on FFS, Well done with the ratings. It would be nice to see some memorabilia in the background, I imagine between the two of you , youhave a couple of trophies. Keep up the good work 👍

[@rachelkoiks]

Massa Webber There’s loads of drivers where if one thing went a certain way at a certain moment..

[@tomcharlton586]

massa didnt deserve the 2008 title, and webber was clearly the second best red bull driver every year that vettel was in the other car. both good but not great

[@SpaceHCowboy]

@@tomcharlton586 you don't half do the rounds talking shite..... Slo down shite merchant.

[@Outback_Truckie]

​@@tomcharlton586 in 2010 Webber crashed out in a very wet South Korea race while warming his tyres behind the safety car on lap 18. He touched the curb while swerving and that was the end of that. He was 2nd at the time behind Vettel and as it turns out Vettel blew on engine on lap 45 in the race. Had Webber just kept the car on the track behind the safety car he would surely won that race and those 25 points would have had him winning the world championship by 11 points with Vettel 2nd (as per the results at the season finale in Abu Dhabi). When I was watching Korea I said to a mate that Webber just lost the world championship right there. I am sure he was gutted by a silly mistake that should not have happened and cost hime the championship.

[@tomcharlton586]

@@Outback_Truckie 2010 was a close as fuck season i agree, but even in the year that webber was closest to vettel, seb was still slightly better, even though he also nearly threw it away with mistakes like spa and turkey. he was more often than not faster than mark.

[@hh-jy1ld]

@@Outback_Truckiethat’s the thing… he had his chances but couldn’t deliver. Like Vettel at Ferrari vs Lewis… there were opportunities to take it to the end but he made unforced errors and couldn’t deliver.

[@keithscott1255]

Tommy Reid, Irish racing cars, Brabham formula Atlantic, Ingliston 1974. Cheers Eddie. Great days.

[@larkhill2119]

Martin Brundle would be a good example. Jordan F1 pulled well above its budget in F1. There was a picture of Michel Lopez DeCarlos and his EJ-run Formula Ford in today's Heroes of FF1600 and the boss man himself, make sure you feature the haircut in the next episode.

[@andresgarcia7757]

You to do a great team! I’m really enjoying the podcast!

[@creepingdread88]

Ronnie Peterson was the best driver to never win a championship. He finished runner up twice. Once in a March using the same engine all season! The other, as a number 2. In hindsight, he would have won the title if he didn't die that year. He was without any doubt, the out and out quickest driver, ever to sit in an F1 car. On his day, he was quicker than anyone. That includes the likes of Senna. Just ask anyone who was there. Even the other drivers were left stunned by his car control. Niki Lauda couldn't get within half a second per lap of him when they were teammates. Fittipaldi too, couldn't match him. Villeneuve was just a pale imitation of him. After causing the death of several spectators, showing off in front of Peterson, the most liked and respected driver amongst his peers, probably of all time never spoke to Villeneuve again.

[@markcoombs7233]

There's so many that should have been world champions kubica should of DC Webber etc great podcast DC EJ love the banter love the different subjects you talk about 👍

[@davidtuer5825]

Stirling Moss. His win ratio in all cars over his career was phenomenal.

[@aok5298]

Shout out from fans in New Zealand!! You both appear upside down on our screens in this South Pacific paradise, DC the coins don’t fall out of your 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 pockets like they do from EJ’s .. 🤷‍♂️

[@thatguyfromcetialphaV]

Gilles Villeneuve for me.

[@madbalee]

Sir Sterling Moss / Villeneuve

[@glennward2525]

I didn't realize Moss didn't win a championship until this show. I always thought he did. So he's #1 and Villeneuve also very deserving.

[@chicobicalho5621]

Watching this, I can't stop thinking about the contrast in the width of both heads! I mean, they couldn't be more opposite; at times it feels as if it is a cartoon animation.

[@billeib427]

The best duo on KZbin.

[@antropatico]

Juan Pablo Montoya

[@antropatico]

@@TrustInTheShepherd you’re entitled to your wrong opinion

[@TrustInTheShepherd]

@@antropatico I take it back, looking on his record he looked decent, I think I might be thinking of another driver and got the names mixed up.

[@eduardhenny1]

Yes!

[@jkim6200]

Great talent, but JPM was too temperamental.

[@chrishall2211]

Stirling then Ronnie Peterson by a country mile. No one else comes anywhere near FFS

[@handsolo1209]

Von Trips probably does. Gilles Villeneuve too. Montoya, Irivne, etc? No chance.

[@djh29971]

Ronnie couldn't develop a car, which frustrated every team boss he had. Everybody loved Ronnie and he was very quick, but lacked the killer instinct and made some odd choices in his career.

[@mike04574]

@@handsolo1209 montoya over gilles

[@handsolo1209]

@@mike04574 Not in my opinion. Montoya threw away many chances, Gilles never got those chances.

[@moneg11]

First of all: Riccardo Patrese! Michele Alboreto, Jacky Ickx, Robert Kubica, JPM.

[@Darren-n8z]

Ronnie Peterson

[@sonicstep]

Ronnie was destined to be multiple world champion. 😢

[@fakereality3792]

Ronnie Pickering

[@wlrIII]

"George's Grandson is Florence." Thanks Eddie. Love you guys!

[@theohlinsguy4649]

Sterling Moss

[@ChristopherBurley-q3f]

How good was Dave ( The story teller) Allen great memories watching him Friday night eating fish and chips 😂😀

[@lordtrakoful1]

Stirling Moss, Didier Pironi & Gilles Villeneuve, Juan Pablo Montoya... maybe Dereck Warwick

[@RobertCorrigan]

Alboreto, as Enzo Ferrari himself said, "we owe that kid a championship!"

[@apexaviour]

Quality stuff gentlemen.

[@peterbrazier7107]

My favorite Irish man is Arthur Wellesley 1st Duke of Wellington.

[@cruisersupsupport4502]

My F1 hero, Gilles Villeneuve, immediately comes to mind

[@indianajons5847]

If it is true that good old Irvine Jr is mellowing, it would be priceless to have him in the podcast...

[@kellycook5314]

Giles Villeneuve should have been champion along with Moss who consulted with the design of corner 5 at Mosport 🇨🇦

[@gs3racing594]

Funny one thanks guys!

[@benderunit44]

I'm here bec of DC's excellent commentary in F1TV.

[@TheNecromancer6666]

Let me tell you, the single biggest reason for your success is your and your guests fantastic chemistry.

[@martinezclau]

Shout out from south Brazil.

[@MrDabalcon]

These pod casts are a breath of fresh air , no political correctness just strait talk keep them coming , fantastic 😀😀😀

[@kellycook5314]

🇨🇦 loves ❤ listening 👂

[@MalcolmStephenKeith-Hill]

Happy new year Eddie ..From Brazil...Remember Me..??

[@Coatsey007]

So many points and memories I relate to. I don’t really do fandom but these two guys Irespect enormously. As for travelling with just hand luggage, this is the guy who this summer and last summer spent five weeks travelling in Europe Solo on a motorbike, so I obviously agree. All I need is a decent mattress, shower, camera and a computer, and because I’m on a motorbike lots of fresh underwear to deal with those many moments I have.

[@dbowen7346]

Having JPM and Eddie Irvine on the pod would be magic!

[@stscc01]

Stefan Bellof, without doubt. Had he survived, he could have been what Schumacher became years later. And he was a much nicer guy, by the way... 😅

[@rhodaborrocks1654]

That's something I'd completely forgotten about, having to go to bed while it's still light, glad it didn't only happen to me !!

[@Cycle.every.day.]

DC would've won drivers title in 98 if himself and Hakkinen didn't have that agreement in the first race about who gets to first corner first when they were 1st & 2nd on the grid...if you know you know.

[@someoneunseen5168]

Dc would have won 1 more race. Mika would have still beaten but michael would have got even closer to Mika that year

[@kcribin5654]

Eddie, talking about having had his pants taken down…….as if he’s never done the same …😅😅😅😅😅. Great show chaps

[@Malibu1515]

That's an easy question to answer. Jacky Ickx.

[@barnigranero5882]

My thoughts on crop rotation are: John.

[@frankwaugh1894]

Stirling moss. The man was runner up 4 times and the main thing that held him back was his bouncing back and forth between teams and misplaced loyalty in driving for british teams when he could have been driving in better cars that were not British

[@Saywhatnow-o3w]

Eamonn is the Irish for Edward

[@erikdanielsen2691]

My new favorite podcast😀

[@strech5412]

David Coulthard, closely followed by Stirling Moss, then Michele Mouton

[@1greenMitsi]

😂🤣😂

[@fatrick5004]

Anyone who won 6 or more races over multiple season could have been champ in the right circumstances. Herbert would have been mulitple champ if not for his crash

[@adrianmedforth3033]

Funny conversation 😅

[@bruhmoment2896]

2:08 Eddie must not think about what he’s about to say until he’s already said it lol💀💀

[@As-qz5lr]

Frentzen, Montoya, Kubica, Trulli, Massa and Barrichello for me.

[@hishers251]

Trillions, truly? You’re joking, right?

[@As-qz5lr]

@@hishers251 I didn't say trillions but if you meant Trulli look at his record vs team mates

[@exist]

Stirling Moss, Jo Siffert, Peter Revson, Francois Cevert, Tom Pryce, Ronnie Peterson, Patrick Depailler, Gilles Villeneuve, Elio De Angelis and the list goes on. Unfortunately most of the drivers from these eras were held back by pure mechanical failures from unreliability.

[@jkim6200]

Sandro Nannini wasn't too shabby, either. However, many commenters here probably haven't heard of a Quebecoise named Gilles Villeneuve or watched his races (ex. Dijon, Jarama)

[@hopeenquiries3638]

keep up the good work chaps

[@t3hgir]

Eddie Irvine, Felipe Massa, David Coulthard

[@mervyncharter]

Carlos Reutemann, Juan Pablo Montoya and Didier Pironi

[@piotrwolski4437]

What about Jean Alesi?

[@someoneunseen5168]

Probably needed to win more than 1 race to be considered in great drivers who didnt win a wc.

[@tomcharlton586]

he deserved so much more than one win. in the mid nineties i would have put him as the second fastest and most talented driver after schumi.​@@someoneunseen5168

[@SpaceHCowboy]

@@tomcharlton586 well seen yae troll around blethering on about utter pish. Jean Alesi?.? Aye, good yin. Away and take yer mouth fura wash. Steamin fuudd. 🤣🤣

[@joeymartin4116]

Eddie, Tommy Doherty said hello 👍

[@trickyj7019]

You are going to have to get EJ to do a new Kelloggs Frosties advert...Arrrh

[@Chatta-Ortega]

Villeneuve, Montoya and Barichello.

[@1greenMitsi]

barrichello??? 2 off his team mates are world champions....he was clearly not good enough