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[@GusScottExley]

I love your videos and while I dont think anyone would argue that the red one is clearly inferior. I feel like when you put the yellow one together in your normal professional manner but as soon as you get to the red one you were like one of those folks on a bad infomercial that forgets how to do the most basic things, pretty disappointing TBH.

[@juliojimenez9968]

I saw it too

[@thewayidoit8895]

Sad, Jeff is a good man. It like your mom giving off those bad vibes when she doesn't like something

[@mattyyoungcloudsart3008]

haha! Totally felt the same. Obviously the cheaper one is gonna be inferior. Its about whether or not it'll do the same job not whether or not its better.

[@michaelnoone1565]

Yeppp. Felt like this was a sponsored video where he wanted to make the sponsor look good.

[@lkripppler]

Thanks, Saved me watching the video. I've had the Chinese one for 4 years, done around 6 houses with it and still going strong.

[@ironmanonaninja3025]

I bought a similar lift from Harbor Freight, works fine.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

I have been seeing a lot of good comments about the harbor freight model. Anyone buy the amazon unit? I am wondering what your experience is with that one. cheers!

[@publicmail2]

Had a cheap Chinese one on site we lifted a load up about 10 feet albeit overloaded it snapped and decapped a worker, his head rolled down off the landing and fell to the first floor out the door and into the street! A delivery truck ran it over and then a blacktop crew using a bomag roller ran it over. We call him headless Joe, he's still collecting workers comp.

[@kakakmen999]

@@HomeRenoVisionDIY I`ve used a very similar model to the red one on my home renovation/DIY project for almost two years. It has worked fine for my use, although I`m cautious of not overloading or over stretching it. Would defiantly not use it day-to-day and lug it in and out of a van, but for the 150 USD I paid for it, it`s done reasonably well.

[@gummislayer1969]

@@publicmail2 Buuhahahaaaa!!! Good one!!! 🤣🤣🤣

[@kenwhittaker4972]

@@publicmail2 Yes!!!! I needed this comment!

[@cambiumguy]

Diasppointed in your bias. THese are 2 differents machines for different market pro vs homeowner. I have used a homeowner version purchased at Rona for under 200$, It is solid, worked well for drywall and even plywood. I have used it probably 20 times in the last 15 years. I stored it in an heated barn and it has no rust,still works great and beats the 800$ of rental fees I would have paid. Almost seems you were paid by the American made model.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Not a bias. Homeowners face this dilemma. buy cheap or rent. I am trying to show the options so they are not disappointed with the purchase.

[@franccamaj488]

@@HomeRenoVisionDIY -I have to agree with Cambium Guy. These units can still be purchased for around $200 today at Home Depot. I have a version of the red hoist and is just now breaking down after 20 years of use (25-30 projects). That’s a way better for the average diy’er.. you did come across as if you were paid, it literally went from how wonderful everything was with the yellow one to everything wrong with the red. The red CRUSHES the yellow for value.

[@JCBuild]

Ive had the cheap version for 6 years now. Still as good as day one. £170 and i have used it on builds and conversions, around 1000 boards lifted and fitted with it.

[@thewayidoit8895]

Thank You

[@michaelnoone1565]

This felt like a hit piece more than a comparison. Like sure the American made one is almost for sure better. But I didn't see anything immediately wrong with the Amazon one for the average DIYer. It would be more useful to actually test these to failure to show inadequacies. Or even test them with actual drywall panels on them! I think you can do better.

[@esexavo]

they are 199 in amazon, I got one it wells for 399, i got it new for 120 from facebook market place, I am building a house, it wasn’t as cheap as this one, the wire was thicker, wheel was bigger, it actually locks very tightly , you really have to muscle it out of lock which i like, metal frames are thick and heavy. I hung a 1900 sqft home with one of these, now i have one for my next build

[@oakoliver7183]

Definitely a hit piece. Just bought one for $200. Went together easily and helped me up up a dozen sheets of drywall by lunchtime with no help. Not a single problem and the thing will last longer than me.

[@jakeschroeder1553]

I see how the yellow one would be safer however plenty of tools use cable/chain under tension (winch, come-a-long, load binder). They all work. Bottom line, you get what you pay for.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

It was the relative small gauge of the wire that scared the heck out of me. Cheers!

[@lespotter4352]

I'm looking for a yellow version myself. Agree the red unsafe and cable too thin

[@hubberjub]

I bought one of the $150 jacks off of Amazon to help while I renovated two apartments in a building I bought last year. It looks just like the red one in your video. The only major issue with mine was the latching mechanism on the base doesn't lock the wheels into place. Honestly, it's been great for me because I work alone, and doing ceilings is a PITA. I know it's not a professional tool, but it has more than earned its keep.

[@RRachwal21]

I bought one similar to the red one at Harbor Freight for about $200. It works well. Now if I was doing this more often I would have bought the better one. However I have no complaints about the cheap one.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Cheers Robert the consensus is that the HF unit is definitely a better unit and worth the investment. Cheers!

[@tomawboss7513]

I have the $200 Harbor Freight Lift. Works well, easy to put together. I felt you were playing to the camera while installing the "Red" lift in order to make a point. Any awkwardness in operating it or putting it together, if any, is worth it. There is a break on the lift and will only come down when the break is off, even if the cable snaps. Further more, there is not enough tension on the cable to "slice you right open". When the cable starts to show wear, replace it. I've been using it for years and will continue to do so.

[@pmdude]

My local rental place rents a cable-pulled lift for $113.00 a week, while I was able to buy a used King for $100 off of kijiji. I have about 20 sheets to put up in my basement that I plan on putting up over the span of three months. (Empty one room at a time, clean, install drywall, mud and tape, paint, replace furniture, move on to next room) The expensive chain-driven one makes sense if you're a pro doing this day out or day in, or if you're ready to do the job in 2-3 days. I live in my fixer-upper, so the King was a better deal. PS. I'm not an idiot, I inspected the cable, I understand how it works, and will replace the cable or scrap the unit if it gets too damaged. P.P.S. You Overpaid! The King and Hausmann can be had in many places for $200 CAD taxes in. (Even Home Hardware has a $259.99 version.)

[@natejm]

PM DIY - I agree that you made the right decision for you circumstance. I do think he oversold this idea you have to rent the expensive one, especially because most of the consensus is that the rental places only rent the cheap ones anyways... One thing you have to take away from this and all of his other videos though, is that they are directed at the common every day DIYers. So maybe some of his safety concerns he talked about will shed some light on some things to look out for. We use cable driven jacks to lift beams into place during major renovations, and it’s just instinct to inspect cables and operations before using these tools, where it might not be for average joe. So hopefully that’s a takeaway from the video. Another thought is that he mentioned it was $400 delivered to his house... if the product is truly that cheap, you’re paying a lot for shipping. I think I kind of lost where I was going with this... but maybe due diligence is just the bottom line. Read the manuals too.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

I totally get it. I am not saying there isn't room for a lift like that. Just saying in most cases it makes sense to rent than buy!

[@bridgetsmith847]

Congratulations Jeff, you’ve joined Winnie the Pooh on the prestigious list of Banned Names on the Chinese Internet!!

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

That is fine with me!

[@bridgetsmith847]

Home RenoVision DIY it should be! China number wan!!!

[@streetfiremkv12]

Dramatic much? Lol. The one I rented from homedepot had the same lifting mechanism that te Chinese one does. I used it for days an had 0 problems. For real I think you were super dramatic about the chinese one. I would use that no problem

[@1971mav]

@@ChrisZomboid Grrrrrr. I'm angry about some stupid video.

[@yrulooknatme]

@@ChrisZomboid ...Hey like he said, You've been warned... Pros don't need to take chances..I new a big man who was on one of those cheap ass extension ladders working on a gutter, single story construction. The ladder buckled and he spend the rest of his days watching life from a hospital bed in his living room. The heavy gauge metal on those telepro lifts make them damn near impossible to damage. ( not to mention the steel is better and the welds are much stronger.) It's only wise to work as safe as possible... I doubt if you could legally take one of those chinalifts on a real job. I imagine Osha would not be very happy.

[@dh66]

@@yrulooknatme OSHA doesn't have a say in the equipment you use unless it's a safety device or was modified and is unsafe, ie: guards removed etc.

[@Jrfusion08]

@@dh66 Not entirely true. A vehicle isn't technically a safety device or would qualify as an item that's been "modified" but OSHA standards still apply. I think the poster is implying many of the Chinese products wouldn't meet the safety standards of OSHA and thus would be flagged on construction sites as unsafe to use and subject companies to lawsuits. Therefore, OSHA does have "some say" in what you use as it has to meet safety standards (regardless of whether it's a safety device or been modified).

[@yrulooknatme]

@@dh66...I didn't know if that type of equipment needed certification.. That makes sense what you said ... thanks..

[@alecbosse6425]

I have one of the Chinese Styled Ones that I bought locally at a hardware store in Toronto for about $200. It is a bit scary to use at first, but it worked out fine for me on several projects including rooms with 11ft ceilings. I personally think I got my money's worth from it. Would I prefer the higher quality one? Sure. But with care, the other was a good investment as it was less expensive than renting one for several times I needed it.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Thanks for sharing that info Alec, did you get it from Amazon or some other source. please let us know the brand name on it. not all Chinese products are the same.

[@publicmail2]

Had a cheap Chinese one on site we lifted a load up about 10 feet albeit overloaded it snapped and decapped a worker, his head rolled down off the landing and fell to the first floor out the door and into the street! A delivery truck ran it over and then a blacktop crew using a bomag roller ran it over. We call him headless Joe, he's still collecting workers comp.

[@misplacedface2752]

@@publicmail2 this is real?

[@publicmail2]

@@misplacedface2752 Yes tragic isn't it?

[@whodat92]

@@publicmail2 how many times you gonna post that overused comment that is low level funny?

[@tonywagner4836]

i did a 3700sq ft building using the cheapy model with the extension that allowed me to do a 14' cathedral with no problems . it is clearly not as well made as the pro model but it does function . you do need to be sure that your sheets are centered on the lift. The chance of ever snaping that cable at 150lbs is zero. The real issue is stability at height with long (14') sheets and the wheels not always lockimg up properly and having the lift creep a little out of position. especially on sloped ceilings. Both issues are manageable. Having said that, in hindsight, i would have saved time using the pro model. This week, i have two one room drywall projects and will use the light weight version.

[@jessebuck90]

I have a similar one from Harbor freight, but much better built, extra safeties built in, 150 bucks. Did my whole house with it. Still works awesome. But it's heavier gauge steel construction, better crank wheel. Still cable drive, but doesn't have rubbing issues. If you spent 400 on that you got the SHAFT.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

No doubt that was why I was so not impressed with it. I decided to buy it so that I could see what you get. The picture on Amazon seems so enticing. Now I know a picture can be very deceitful. cheers!

[@stich1960]

Same, as a general contractor I have put it through its paces, I dont do enough drywall to make the 1000 make sense. The cheap ones take some getting used to but I feel safe using it even with 12 footers. 400 was a rip off, maybe check out princess auto (I think they are the same as Harbor Freight)

[@o0Avalon0o]

My old boss would always ignore my advice and make me buy cheap tools (like this) for our team to use; after a younger guy got hurt, we started load-testing them before they even left the shop. The boss eventually learned it was cheaper to buy the better tools than buy multiples.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Not to mention the benefit of not having workplace injuries. cheers!

[@dolphinarentfish]

I used the Chinese one two weeks ago that I bought for $170+tax brand new here in Toronto. Had to lift a cut a 4x12 sheet of 1/2 around a wall and used 2 4x8 sheets of 3/4 plywood to support the drywall so it wouldn't snap at the cut out notch for the wall. It lifted all that plus about 30 pounds of zip tied water bottles I used for balancing not problem so I'm pretty sure it would be totally fine for an average DIY looking to lift 4x8 sheets of drywall 8 or 9 feet.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Thanks for that. I have no personal experience with this model. Nor do I have any plans of ever using it. Glad to hear that it works.

[@ahmedabuseyam2354]

I did got one and it's $180 from harbor freight tools and it's working fine

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Cheers, I have been hearing good things about the harbor freight unit. not the same thing!

[@seanrankin6314]

I’ve been watching your videos and I think they are great, but this one looked like a corny infomercial. Overly acted on how bad the cheaper version was. I’ve used the cheaper one, mainly because I only needed it for one basement ....and it worked fine.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

There are cheaper ones out there. But this one specifically is for sale on Amazon. It is junk. I would suggest buying the cheaper one from harbor freight. it has good reviews from our community. Cheers!

[@ssmoot78]

I’ve bought a similar one from Amazon, except it was yellow and the pin on the crossbar wasn’t painted. The bar definitely weighs more than 5lbs. I agree it’s a scary tool that feels like you could lose a finger if you’re not careful. But for me? A DIYer that only needs maybe a couple dozen sheets total? Totally worth the $169USD I paid for it. That’s gotta be much cheaper than renting as I renovate room by room over the course of months. At $400 there’s no way I’d consider it. And if I were a professional using it on a regular basis, then I’d get the quality version of course. It’s only a matter of time, and $1,000 is a lot cheaper than trying to get a finger stitched back on in the US.

[@MohamedAli-py8lo]

You're right

[@jboyd85]

As another Jeff from Ottawa working as a contractor, commenting here feels a bit odd, but here I go: I inherited a similarly-made panel lift (Rona's Haussmann brand) from a retired contractor through Kijiji. He didn't even want my money for it. I then built a 1400sqft fire-separated walkout basement apartment with 12' sheets of 5/8ths. Even with 7'8" ceilings the process was terrifying. Now, it did the business and I'm grateful to have had it. That being said, nothing that lifts a 105lb panel overhead should need a pair of vice grips permanently installed over it's pulley to keep the cable from slipping off. What's more, when tension gets high, the wheel tweaks over to the side: you need to bend it back in line to keep the steel cable from fretting on the handle screw at every turn. If ever you need a piece of junk to stand between the other two lifts, let me know. I'll sell it to you for exactly what I paid ;)

[@duncsindevon]

I agree, Jeff great instruction but way too biased against the cheaper version. Had one to plasterboard a 4 bed house with 3 meter ceilings and yes it was a cheaper alternative but with some minor modification and mechanical knowhow it was perfectly adequate for the job. Certainly don't need to go for a Rolls Royce solution unless you are doing this for a living

[@JMaulding87]

You guys are lucky to have options! My local rental place charges $70/day (additional $20 for insurance if it breaks while you have it) to rent the cheap version in this video! I rented it once, and it got the job done though.

[@FreeDumb101]

My uncle bought the one on the right from local hardware store (Menards) for $150 and it worked fine. He put up 30 sheets without a problem. I borrowed it and put up 3 12' sheets and 2 8' sheets without a problem. For the average homeowner or DYI'er, the one on the right works just fine and is worth the $150. It never felt cheap to me and if steel cables can hold up a bridge, I'm pretty sure it can hold drywall. If drywall is all you do then yeah, spending $1000 might be worth it on something a bit more sturdy. And who needs to go 16' high?? Most people aren't going to be building lofts...

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

I get it, however if the good product is available for rent at a reasonable price wouldn't you rather have used it!

[@chrissimon8403]

I've had the cheap lift for 12 years and the spring is fine. They are absolutely worth the small price tag!

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Good to know. Was it the unit from China sold on Amazon or harbor freight?

[@dlodge4966]

chris simon I bet 12 years ago it was better quality

[@chrissimon8403]

@@HomeRenoVisionDIY It was purchased from King Canada.

[@chrissimon8403]

@@dlodge4966 Actually it is the same one.

[@Psychlist1972]

Not sure why the agenda against Amazon. They also sell the Panellift 439, "Made in America" chain-driven drywall lifter, delivered. Took 2 seconds to find it. My local hardware stores carry cheap stuff for rentals. It's typically pretty abused as well. Retail, they sell both the expensive one and the cheap ones. Importantly, they also sell the one from the yellow brand that is identical to the cable-based chinese ones in design and construction, and it costs almost $850. That design is what the manufacturer claims is the "original drywall lift", and they still sell it. Same manufacturer as the chain one. Presumably, it's the version the other companies copied. Point is, though, that whatever you say about the Chinese one here, also applies to the Panellift one that costs twice what you paid for the red one.

[@Jrfusion08]

I can almost guarantee you that Panellifts model is not "identical" to the Chinese one, similar but not identical. The Chinese cut corners at every point and have low quality materials whereas American companies have stricter standards that have to be met. However, the Chinese model does the job and is cheaper and for most homeowners that, unfortunately, will always be the determining factor.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Hi Pete, the Panel lift cable lift is a much better quality machine and uses a much thicker gauge airline cable. I am not hating on Amazon, just not impressed that they sell such cheap quality products. They seem to have no standard when it comes to what they sell. They would sell their own mother if it was allowed.

[@SharpestBulbs]

@@HomeRenoVisionDIY hey. Just wanted to chime in here. Amazon doesnt actually sell anything other than amazon branded items. The rest of the site is just like Ebay without auctions. Many different sellers including chinese companies. You might know this but from your context, I'm getting the impression that you may not.

[@cliftonshultz2253]

I don't think the reference to Amazon is intentionally negative to the purchase, Amazon is one of the most used delivery suppliers that people refer to.

[@jonblakeman6636]

As I mentioned as well, the American company also sells an imported version of the cable operated lift, as in identical in every way to the cheapest version. Surely they would not sell a dangerous version if they thought it would harm their rep in any way. The test should include both/all versions from the USA company to be fair, not just be an obvious attack on foreign made products.

[@js9390]

I actually bought the Troy version from Amazon for $120 USD delivered, and so far I have had no issues putting up 5/8 drywall (8 foot sheets) in my 750 sq ft basement I'm finishing. To rent one for a week was going to be $165 from the big box store so this has been a steal. It's obviously not as nice as a commercial unit, but for a one time job it is working well enough for this diyer. I even have a buyer lined up when I'm done for $50, so my total investment will only be $70.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

First off if you rent you only need it for 12 day for an entire basement. That is like 40 bucks. so lets talk apples to apples!

[@js9390]

Home RenoVision DIY my local rental price was $35 a day or $165 a week. But I will say is that the other benefit is that I can do this on my own time ( which helps a ton when I'm working an hour here and there with a 1 year old baby in the house!)

[@js9390]

@Home RenoVision DIY side note, thanks for all the videos! With your help I have been doing everything in my basement finishing project by myself!

[@bobtribe]

He's got some infomercial acting skills... "Are you sick and tired of drywall lifts that are difficult to put together!?"

[@scottgleason572]

I think your being way too Paranoid about that cable if you realistically look at what that size cable is rated for and also that cable will not have enough energy stored in it to come back and cut your arm off 🤦🏻‍♂️. All our rental places around here that’s all they have is cable ran units. Not as cheaply made as what you have there but same design yes chain driven is much more superior but the cable driven isn’t a “death trap”

[@pierre-marcrioux5015]

Maybe not an arm, but it will snap a finger off. Imagine if it gets to your face... Right into your eye... Rent one, it's just safer and cheaper on your wallet.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

if that lift has a sheet of 5/8 x 12' long 10 feet in the air you are darn right it will cause you some serious damage.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Hi Pete, elevators have breaks and I am pretty sure the cables are a wee bit bigger!

[@jbonegw]

If you think that cable looks unsafe I hope you never work on or near Morgan scaffolding. 🙈😬😂

[@Psychlist1972]

@@HomeRenoVisionDIY I watched some videos about elevator hacking, some time ago. They mentioned that there are only a ton of cables in an elevator to give people peace of mind. Most only need one or two of them to lift and lower the elevator because the cables are stronger. It's exceedingly rare for the cables to break in any case. Luckily, they have all sorts of other safety mechanisms like brakes and soft landings and whatnot. But the american-sold cable version is just as vulnerable as the Chinese one. You made a bunch of arguments against the entire idea of cables in that specific use. Now it seems you're, pardon the pun, pulling back on that and saying "well, the US one has a better cable". I haven't seen it made, but I'll hazard to guess that cable isn't made in the US.

[@Lindenjohnson]

I bought one similar to this at Menards, been using it for 10' 5/8 and it seems to be working well. Definitely going to be paying more attention to that wire though.

[@dagodone8714]

I'm using the same exact one for the past 25 years not a problem not a loose screw bent anything

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

I call BS. Amazon wasn't around that long ago! Cheers!

[@martylts]

I bought the American version and haven't regretted a second! I've used it for lifting a lot more than just drywall. My brother-in-law who is not a contractor rented one and put up all the full sheets with it. He then did all his cuts/partial sheets without the lift. If memory serves, he only rented the lift for one or Maybe two days. You only need enough screws in a sheet of drywall to hold it in place and then you can come back later and put the rest of the screws

[@landdon24]

I guarantee you that most of the rental places have the cheaper one. So, rent the cheaper one, or buy the nice one, or buy the cheaper one. For me, I'm not going to hang drywall more than twice in my entire life. I buy the cheap one.

[@ericwhite265]

Drywall is one of those jobs that if it's more than a couple sheets it's probably cheaper to just hire someone to do it. They'll knock it out in a fraction of the time and it'll look 100x better. It probably won't cost much extra either. I've heard from a few different people in different areas of the US that the cost installed was within anywhere from 5%-15% of what they would have spent on materials alone.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

I call BS. There is no way you can hire help to install for less than the cost of renting a lift. You are not giving enough credit to the homeowners skill set here.

[@taichi7254]

@@ericwhite265 typical install in Philadelphia region is ~ $8 - $15 sqft.

[@nman2563]

It was way cheaper for me to buy the Chinese one for a two week job than rent one. It has really saved my backside and works well. Incidently it shipped from a store in Canada. I can sell it and make most of my money back.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

You might not have bought the same unit. Buyer beware the unit for sale on Amazon is a lower quality unit than a lot of other budget friendly options out there.

[@shoey64]

I have used the red lift just the other day. My boss bought it years ago. It seems to be safe we use it all the time. Have fun with the drywall.

[@charlesherr1027]

No bias there! I love the lame comments and hand movements that show the feigned frustration with the cheap model. Cable snap!? You think 50 to 100 pounds is too much for that cable? I certainly subscribe to the notion that if you are a professional doing that kind of work everyday, all day long, you should get the best equipment. If you are Harry Homeowner doing one small room, one time, rent or buy as you feel you must but, the lesser cost equipment is certainly viable.

[@douglasmoore9918]

Huge bias. Perhaps the yellow one is a sponsor? He is way too good at so many other things to be that incompetent in assembling a cable hoist. These "lame comments and hand movements" certainly show he wants to show his bias. What about products he wants to conceal his bias? I'd prefer an honest effort to make each one work as well as its respective limits allow. I cannot believe he doesn't know that the strength of 3/16 aircraft cable is well over the weight of a sheet of drywall of any dimension. (p.s. breaking strength is 3700lbs).

[@stevena3333]

True, especially being a safety second kind of guy.

[@pierredussf]

I just purchased the Troy BH1 for $200 from eBay fora home DIY job. I RTFMd. Limit is 150lbs and max sheet size is 4x8. I immediately made several modifications. A simple bolt, washers and nut hold the leg spring lock in place; there's no play. I may remove it and replace it with a through bolt; tighter. I braced to other two legs with angle iron; there is no wobble. I clamped the shaft to the base with a couple of hose clamps; no wobble. I checked the cable feed for rough edges; they are smooth. I check all cables and clamps routinely for wear; no breaks. I checked the brakes but also made chocks to lock the wheels in place; no slips. I put warning straps on all projections; no pokes in the eye. I wear a helmet; no bumps. I work with a partner; no hernias and no tip overs. You can work smart and safe or you can work stupid. I'm fine with it.

[@andrewcarr2431]

I rented one today for $30 for the weekend....did 6 ceilings with it, doing walls tomorrow....$30 is a heck of a lot cheaper than hiring 2 strong guys to lift drywall. Plus I can work at my own pace....I'm with you Jeff, that chinese knock offs in this case are not worth the free shipping you get from them

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

#notalone LOL, Cheers Andrew. I felt like I was talking common sense here but some guys need to put their safety at risk to save a few bucks. I think Rental is the way to go

[@kylezeiger7672]

I bought the same one on amazon for like $175. I did about 25 sheets with it and when the project was done, it was just flat worn out. It seemed to be lopsided, parts were bent, it was just garbage. Probably wiser to buy the higher priced one if you hang drywall

[@reagannelson5264]

I just used the cheap one to put all the drywall up in my new shop and it performed well. It was the only type my local rental company carried. Even Home Depot rents a cable style lift. Your review seemed very biased. It is like comparing renting a Cadillac to buying a Chevy Malibu, both get you where you want to go, but the Malibu will do it for many years. I agree that if you are a professional, you should invest the extra money in the better equipment, but your channel is targeted toward the DIY bunch.

[@marec6395]

How do you disassemble this yellow DRYWALL & PANEL HOIST. I cannot locate a video on their site or anywhere else. Please make a video on how “easy” to disassemble to move into another area or something. Please.

[@mikesmith2383]

I’ve used something like the cheaper version there. I think it was from Harbor Freight. Used it finishing a basement. It was a little cumbersome, didn’t seem really unsafe, at the time anyway. Would definitely rather rent the better USA built if it was close to the cost effective option.

[@zahrazahraa4897]

👧👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🇲🇦

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

IO have been hearing a lot of good things about that harbor freight unit!

[@jackgoetz1404]

Bought the ARKSEN brand Chinese one on amazon a few years ago. Have used it quite a bit. Yeah, the cable is a bit sketchy, but it's worked quite well. I try to be careful with it so as not to cause the cable to stick or slip. Definitely worth the 136 bucks I paid for it (currently looks like it's 170 on amazon). Mine was yellow, the current one is red. Only real problem I had was with the initial assembly. Some parts took a bit of persuasion to go together the first time (probably paint overspray).

[@singlefather01]

I have used it for a few days and I sold it. What can I say? I had to lift perhaps 20x5/8 sheet. It worked fine. Like I said I only needed for a few days. And I don’t intend to do the ceiling ever again.

[@alexill]

A bunch of drywall fell on me once, I got *plastered* #cheers

[@deanwilliams8857]

That's funny! I hoped you didn't nailed as well.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Cheers Al! did you get plastered before or after?

[@alexill]

Home RenoVision DIY lol nice one

[@technosaurus3805]

I just use 2 furring strips with long skinny nails/screws down the center. Put one furring strip in place with just enough space to slide the drywall in (use a scrap piece to gauge it). Use the 2nd furring strip to lift and screw it in place. Remove the 1st and repeat. It's easier if you're tall but normal height ceilings can be done this way with a small step ladder (I may or may not have used an upside down bucket once or twice) or a full size step ladder on taller ceilings if you are really athletic or have a helper. I have access to a lift, but this way seems to go much faster, so I never use it. I'm sure a lift is safer, easier on your back and probably required by OSHA, but quick and dirty gets the job done.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

This is not a paid product placement. Just Me trying to help you protect yourselves from a bad investment!

[@publicmail2]

That was obvious, as if it was paid at least from the china one, you would've had nothing but positive things to say. Just joking of course. But all kidding aside, you should make a gag reel of the chinese one, like supports swinging around and hitting you in the head, stuff like that, and then blaming it on product, it could be hilarious because no one would expect it from you.

[@onebook4837]

They stole a lot of our technology. They just changed a few things to make it seem original.

[@DCHOY1]

I've used both but I have a better China made product and cheaper than the one you used. China can make whatever quality you want cheaper but its the importer who decides what they want built and at what price. All in all a great clip but emphasizing or suggesting China made items are poor is not proper.

[@pierre-marcrioux5015]

@@onebook4837 Only thing comes from China... Fireworks. Period. They don't invent, they steal, cheaperize it and invade the World with those cheap knockoffs.

[@aviwequmba3700]

Sir I really wanna know the mass or weight of this sheet lifter in terms of shipping please can you help me about it.

[@iamamish]

IMO it's not really an American-made vs. China-made, it's a simple difference in cost & material quality. Where the product is made is a bit of a red herring. Appreciate the thoughtful reviews though - made me realize that I'll probably just rent one for my next project. I made the mistake of doing my kitchen ceiling with my uncle just holding the drywall in place. My arms ached for days afterward.

[@paulstone7655]

The latch at the top (which stops the lift going up) is there for during transportation.

[@punjabik]

I worked with the china one. Major problem is break inside drum. You didn't show that, but on my china model the brake is only flat rope on screw. This rope broke and everything went down.

[@tomahack1]

Paid 179$ for a king Canada at a major hardware store in Quebec. Works fine no problem.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

King is light weigth. don't call me when it cuts off your arm!

[@tomahack1]

@@HomeRenoVisionDIY The King is 100lbs versus 109lbs for the Panellift. Not exactly light weight. They also sell a cheaper model similar to the King at 3x the cost.

[@Brackett08]

I used one that was almost identical to the Amazon one - but was from a local hardware store. Finished the basement with it without it breaking. Big issue is that while you are lowering it, if your hand slips off the wheel and the break is not engaged it goes into free spin. 1 minor hand injury from the handle on the wheel spinning too rapidly.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

you got lucky!

[@str8shooter290]

For $400.00 I can hire a helper for 3 days.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

depending on where you live you might get a whole week out of that money!

[@bridgetsmith847]

I uh, don't think that's legal anymore ...

[@CorkKNIFE]

@@bridgetsmith847 $10 an hour? That's a lot more than some people make and if that's the only job you are paying hem for, you don't have to take tax out, they get the full $400.

[@vanderumd11]

@@CorkKNIFE then they get hurt and take your house. Happened to my uncle. Guy cut his hand with a skill saw .... Boom lawsuit

[@CorkKNIFE]

@@vanderumd11 Well, you do have to pay for insurance to cover the workers but the insurance premium goes to the insurance agency, not the worker.

[@AJ-ds5gf]

stop making it about america vs china. One product is just over-engineered and the other isn't. One is $1000 and the other is about $200. The inexpensive red one is completely fine for DIY use. No need to exaggerate the dangers.

[@jonblakeman6636]

Exactly this. The USA company also makes the cheaper one and it's their best seller so the US vs China thing just makes it look like that was the sole aim of the video.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

that unit from amazon is dangerous. they just did a recall on it. too many injuries! I am not exaggerating. If you want a better deal then go to harbor freight.

[@joemodley7934]

I bought one use for $100 and have used it to hang sheetrock in three houses... it has been great, no failures or accidents so far

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Hi Joe, do you do this for a living?

[@joemodley7934]

@@HomeRenoVisionDIY I work as a carpenter for a contractor and flip houses and remodel my own rentals in my off time. I actually retired a little over a year ago, but had too much time on my hands so i gutted 3 of my rentals and rebuilt them, then decided to go back to work.

[@neogx148]

I used a red one like that and always felt unsafe with it but worked and the steel wire always made me wonder what would happen if it snapped

[@maxrybold1531]

The red lift works perfectly fine, for DIY projects and the yellow one is over kill for such projects. Also I used 5/8" 4 x 12 with the red left and it worked fine. The contact of metal on metal is alarming but then again its good to know/see that the wires are twisted... Also yes the cable could snap but one could say that the chain could derail and _____________.

[@thompsonmaclean882]

had mine for 10 years and love it

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

From Amazon or harbor freight?

[@chodge8366]

bought one from Harbor freight. the cable is a little sketchy but there is a safety mechanism at the rear that locks the shaft as it rises and you must disengage it to lower it,

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

At least there is a safety latch. Cheers!

[@jackryder6732]

You are amazing. Sincere, honest and simple step by step explanation. Thank you

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Cheers Jack! Just trying to explain the options for folks. Not sure why so much hate on this subject!

[@beautifulbeautiful5804]

We have the red one been doing a lot of jobs with it but then to bring it back down or up it gets stuck I'm always having trouble with it

[@seanh767]

Didn't you already have a video showing how to use a cable driven drywall lift in your everything about drywall series? I just tried but couldn't find it.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Hi Sean, yes I did. That video is still there. the unit is still a very high quality unit. I am not dissing all cable driven units just a poorly made design that is being sold on amazon that folks think will perform well based on the picture. Beware of a good deal!

[@seanh767]

Thanks for the clarification I just found the video and even the cable one in that video looks significantly better than the amazon one you reviewed. I really like the majority of your videos. I think this is one of the best all around diy channels to watch and not just in KZbin. Keep up the good work.

[@andrews8482]

I love your videos! You've made me confident to do anything in my house. I also I bought the $165 red one in Amazon......... Umm... It's been great... Now mind you I've only gone to 8'ceilings, but I've hung a few hundred SF over my head and it's done the job just fine. I couldn't rent the yellow one, for the spread out schedule of doing it in my time, for the cost of this purchase. I understand the concern of the cable, but mine also isn't as finicky as yours. Different brand though. I wouldn't purchase this as a professional, but for a diyer for a garage ceiling or multiple small room Renos, I'm fine with the red one.

[@teemo122222]

Bruh, I don't even renovate but here i am taking in the information like a sponge.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

soak it up. the world needs to change its buying habits!

[@jonk899]

I bought a red version (King Canada, under $200 all in, watch for sales) lift five years ago. Used it for at least 20 different ceilings and I am totally confident using it. It follows me to each house I renovate. I have saved thousands in rental and transportation costs. Spend your money on a nice vacation rather than worrying about expensive tools. It is a pain to store, but it is a good unit to have to lend to buddies, trading/lending tools beats renting. The cable will break after 2500 lbs. Not an issue.

[@worldline7147]

I would argue that it generally isn't feasible (or affordable) to rent a drywall lift (from Home Depot, et al.). You'd be better off just buying one of the Chinese-made lifts - no mad scramble to finish hanging all your drywall, with stress, at top speed, while saving a great deal of money. This is what I did while constructing a genuine (not a contractor "soundproofing" reno, cough-cough) optimally-soundproof studio that required a lot of drywall, in layers. The lift performed just fine.

[@berto316life4]

6:19 looks like you caught a fish 🎣 😂

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

LOl, Cheers!

[@davidgoodman582]

I've used the Red one for years with no issues. If I was a sheet rocker who did it everyday I'd say Yes, buy the best. But for 20 sheets a year or less, I am very happy with the red one. It does have a secondary safety! If the cable breaks, 2 pins snap in to prevent it from falling. I have never felt at risk using the Red lift. I'm primarily a carpenter but I do it all. I took your advice on sound proofing a room for a commercial client and it worked great!

[@miketalley505]

Thank for pointing this out

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Cheers Mike!

[@salvadorontiveros219]

I have a "Mud Boss" lift that I got at Menards for about $140 it appears to be sort of a mixture of the 2 demonstrated in this video. More similar to the American made yellow one but with about 2.5" hard rubber wheels It works great but then again it's the only dry wall lift I've ever used so my opinion may not mean much.

[@thewayidoit8895]

Love ya Jeff. In 2022 now I bought a lift for $200(USD) It's mine, I don't get billed if I don't return it Yada Yada Yada. It lifts drywall. Worth every penny even if I send it for scrap at the end.

[@joek5161]

I've used the cheapo ones before - think it was Harbor Freight though... I have also used the professional grade ones a lot. With the cheapo one, it was because I was going to be using it to renovate a whole house over the course of a year or so. As opposed to renting one each time I got ready to do the ceiling drywall in a room or dragging one home from a job site and getting it back before they needed it in the morning, I bought the cheap one. It worked well enough out of the box, though I did a few changes to it as well to improve the safety including adding a pillar lock to prevent it from dropping and I replaced the cable with some 5/16" stainless I had left over from a different job. It got the job done and probably would do another 3 or 4 houses worth before it needed to be rebuilt and/or junked and saved a few hundred in rental fees for getting a lift to do each time I would have needed it. It was also convenient in that I had it ready to go at 10 PM or 6 AM regardless of when I had time/energy to work on the house.

[@vhehn]

i have done multiple complete 200 sheet houses with the harbor freight one. it works just fine and i use 12 ft sheets. it has multiple safety functions.

[@bhnn7991]

Just a note on the PanelLift lifts. I have a very similar PanelLift Model 138-2. It is cable driven however designed such that if the cable should break (which with the design of my unit is highly unlikely). Just like the PanelLift model in this video, the load will not drop. My PanelLift Model 138-2 cost around $700 so is a little more reasonable for a homeowner like me that wants Made in the USA quality and doesn't mind paying for it. Thus far it has been a great unit and is very stable and well built.

[@abadgerardo]

Thank you for the Safety warning. You are correct , checking on Safety is priority # 1 before using any equipment.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Cheers, taking some heat on this video. Not sure why folks think I am getting paid to have an opinion.

[@cadfire1047]

I bought the Harbor Freight lift for $167 on sale. It has some of the issues as the Amazon but it works just fine once you understand its limitations and how to operate it. It does seem a bit more robust than the Amazon lift. I'm glad I bought the one from Harbor Freight and not the Amazon version after seeing this. I'm just about done with my project and will put in on Craig's list or Letgo after I'm done. My project, a basement renovation has taken close to a year to complete, only working on it in the evenings after my job and weekends so renting was not an option. In my area these rent for $80/day. Two day's rent paid for the cheaper version. I have rented for other projects though and the rental is definitely nicer and easier to use if you'll only need it for a day or two. BTW, Thanks for all the help. You've tutored me from start to finish. Awesome channel. If you are a DIY'r you've landed in the right place -the advise is great!

[@michaelbock8908]

Got one at a box store a few years back. $79.00+ tax. Chinese version. Take your time assembling and it works great. Watch that the cable doesn't bunch up on one side then slip. Will give you a heart attach. Dropping and locking the wheel is a pain. Mine seem to be better than the one shown here. $79 vs $1000.

[@alecbosse6425]

Yeah, I had to learn the hard way to keep an eye on the cable position when winding. The first time it skipped, I just about had a heart attack. 😳 But once you are aware, the cable-driven one works pretty well.

[@paulchalk2655]

Hi Jeff. I agree with you, the US made lift is the best joice for a contractor/builder, however, having used the other imported one and being a DYIer I would buy the other one. It works and will only break if misused. The other point is a contracted can expense the lift, a home owner can't. Money means much more to a home owner.

[@FM-et5kb]

i tried the red one... definitely not good choice for me.. the problem with the yellow one is that the drywall panel will sometimes slip off the hooks on the arms. I finally got an EDMAPLAC 450 (about $400 more) but the best i've ever seen or used. I'm a DIYer and share with friends and relatives to justify the cost.

[@AlexMartinLee]

I think it really depends upon how often you plan on sheetrocking ceilings..... For finishing my basement the inexpensive one was more than adequate. If I plan on doing this day in day out professionally then clearly getting the better tool makes more sense.

[@carverdahlin2728]

We have an an older American yellow model that's the same brand as your new one. It is a cable system, the same as the red Amazon one, it works great. I think the chain system is nice but I don't like how bulky and heavy it is. I don't like the second wheel either, find it gets in the way.

[@yrulooknatme]

The old telpro used the cable too and I used mine alot and owned it for over 20 years. I never had a problem with the brake or the cable or anything on that. You can load a sheet and hang 12 ft. walls. That's what those two little rubber feet there keep it in position. The new design with the chain looks good. They are very sturdy unlike the knock offs.. and when I sold mine It was ridiculous trying to get a good dime outa it because of the cheap ones... finely found a buyer who paid me a little better but not near what it was worth and he knew he was stealing it from me (cause he told me so). but that's okay ... He was a pretty good guy and he was just starting his business up. Probably more than just heaver gauge steel but a better quality steel too. Man that thing was strong and stable. I think this is great content.. Anybody that thinks those cheap knockoffs are a good deal must not have seen an accident on a construction site. Those cheap ones are like a guy driving a motorcycle... It's not if he's gonna have an accident , but when!!!

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

That is all I am saying. don't be fooled with the picture. it is not the same thing. Cheers!

[@dulow]

EVERYTHING SHOULD BE MADE AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE, NOT SIMPLER” - ALBERT EINSTEIN

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

I don't listen to advice form foilks who died before the technology age. Cheers!

[@deanwilliams8857]

@@HomeRenoVisionDIY That's a good point!

[@takahm6368]

@@HomeRenoVisionDIY so ture

[@anthonysilva5015]

@@HomeRenoVisionDIY I think you missed his point... The Chinese one is made simpler; reasoning is that it works but it isn't very well thought out... The meaning of the quote is to make it as simple as you can and it still be a good (whatever you made). If you make it simpler you end up with something that pseudo works but isn't that great. MikeTrack is defending your choice of which is the better.

[@MrRondonmon]

@@HomeRenoVisionDIY No, that was good advice from an intelligent man. Einstein used sarcasm to make the point. In other words you could say the same think about a multi million dollar Jet, make it as simple as possible "not simpler" [THAN POSSIBLE], to be safe. If one has to spend 200 million to make it safe, spend 200 million, not 170 million {simpler}. I wouldn't use it either unless it was an emergency, I would rather grab a couple friends.

[@markmckinley5989]

I paid $126 delivered for similar. Cable does not rub if wheel extended to proper location. Yes a heavy duty tool is better but how many folks go much higher than 10 ft? Heck of a lot safer and easier than 2x4 tees in my opinion. And when my project done I can sell for very close if not more than I have in it. I get that you have to promote in return for free tool but the scare tactics unwarranted.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Hi Mark, There was no deal to promote this tool in that way. I decided to buy the amazon tool and do this comparison since i was hearing from the community that they were buying it instead of renting.

[@Buddyforpresident]

Hi, Jeff. Long time watcher, first time commenter. I see your video background has this pretty new insulation with clear plastic. What is that, and do you recommend it? I plan on re-doing the insulation the next two days. Thanks!

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Hi Alex, In our area we use insulation with a vapor barrier. It may not be recommended where you live.

[@zhichen2463]

Both functionally similar, but the yellow one seems operating smoother. I cannot comment on its safety because I have not use either. But the narrative was biased from the beginning.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

I am not a journalist. One look at that thing and you would have a biased opinion as well.

[@ae1ae2]

My sense was that the review was *informed* based on experience using the products before the camera was rolling. Yeah, there's *always* some bias, though we don't know which direction that bias goes simply from the final review. Maybe Jeff was really excited about the lower priced one (biased in favor of it), but then was deeply disappointed in the quality after he became experienced in using the product.

[@akquicksilver]

My wife and I were using one of the lifts made from Chinesium to hang the ceiling in my shop. She was manuevering the lift while I was up on the ladder (10 ft) and the brake released, dropping a 4X12 5/8 sheet down on her head. That was 20 years ago and she still has pain from the bulging disc in her neck. If it hadn't been borrowed, I would have dropped it off at the dump.

[@kickassgreek]

Can the arms close for smaller pieces of drywall? Like a smaller repair on a ceiling?

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

yes they both operate for m8è sheets!

[@MariuszChr]

If we talk about renting vs cheap stuff (otherwise no sense for diy) - hell yeah, totally agree. I was thinking about buying one of these but I asked myself - where the phoque I am going to store this afterwards?! I rented good quality, heavy lift in popular store for 40 bucks for 24h and did 3 rooms with it... I mean, entire project ;-)

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

That is the conversation.I agree you can install a lot of ceiling panel in 1 day for cheap. Cheers!

[@gotwoodwoodworking7115]

I would like to add that I also really enjoy watching this channel and have learned a lot.

[@whitecastle3032]

How high can these go up? I have 11' ceilings.

[@markie871]

I know this isnt relevant to this video but, is it ok to epoxy my floor and then fram and anchor over it? Our basment is all open unstarted. We wanted to have epoxy flooring to help with sealing and then looks cool as well. Is it ok to ram set the bottom plate to the concrete floor through the epoxy or should i frame first then epoxy around walls?

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

adding the epoxy will not harm anything. Cheers!

[@markie871]

@@HomeRenoVisionDIY so epoxy the whole thing and then framing iver top of epoxy should be fine?

[@joshuawells146]

I have a $200 version also from amazon. Very similar to the red one but mine is yellow and has a few things that make it more like the yellow version you have here. I’ll hands down say the yellow chain style with gears you have hear is sooooo much better than the cheap one but if the difference is 200 vs 1200 I can’t say it’s $800+ better for my situation. I have a 100 year old home where 8’6” is my max lift and mine can easily lift a 16’ piece. My 4x8 sheets were a breeze and working alone I more than appreciate the value it was for me. A wise man once told me buy reasonably priced tools until they break, then if you ever wear out a particular tool buy the best you can afford because it means you actually need it. If the taller gear driven lift was just twice the price I would have considered it but just lifting 16 sheets I’d rather own the cheapo than renting the good one on 3/4 different occasions. I also will admit when it’s not being used it takes up a lot of space so I do understand your premise behind the video. Had my project been a rent it for one week and get all my use out of it I certainly would have. Like the Hilti Breaker I rented to bust up concrete.... much rather rent a $4,000 tool for $80 ONCE than buy a “cheap” $500 version breaker that would be less effective. 🤷‍♂️

[@adude7050]

local rental company rented one to me exactly like the Amazon one. It was really wobbly made it hard to line a piece of dry wall up.

[@fliporhold]

How about looking for a used panolift from a rental store or a drywall company flossing down?

[@dannyduff5212]

As you were setting the cheap one up, I had flashbacks to using one that I rented from Home Depot. The cable jammed up inside the shaft and caused the 8ft 5/8 sheet to fall a foot or so and there I was. Get this...The guy at the store told me to jam a "rod or something" into the top to keep it from falling. Then tried to tell me to take that heavy sheet off the device at 7ft in the air, and bring it back for an exchange. Hahaha. SCHNOPE! I wouldnt even rent one again! Purchase or pay someone else. There's a reason we all have a job in this world and drywall is no longer mine.

[@rdstov]

I bought one of those after Hurricane Harvey for less than $100 brand new on eBay (actually received it next day). Used it to hang 5/8 type x drywall on my entire first floor (walls and ceiling). Even my wife was able to use it (she’s about 110lbs).Totally worth the price in my opinion. But, I’m certain, if I were a pro, I would go for better quality. It can be a bit scary when the cable slips into a slot formed when the cable wraps around unevenly on the drum.

[@mrj-charles6383]

I bought a cheap one also. Got off eBay for $109 USD shipped to the house. Like you the cable made a bit nervous but I think it will be fine. I put plywood down on the floor so I have a smooth surface to roll on.

[@underscr0e]

I have a cheap wire one….have a 12’ piece of drywall sitting on it right now waiting for some materials to continue. It’s been working fine so far, I am not a professional but it does the job just fine….u r right…the wire sketches me out but it works.

[@jonblakeman6636]

I got one very similar to the cheap one but only $120 (big box store). I'd never seen a panel lift before and had absolutely no issues putting it together (after perusing the manual) or using it many many times without a single issue over the last year. I usually like your vids but this one seems to have an agenda. Obviously the cheap one won't be as nice to use nor as longlasting I shouldn't think... but I wouldn't expect a Geo Metro to drive the same as a Rolls Royce (I've never actually driven a Geo Metro). But they'll both get you down the road.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

A;ll I am saying is, the danger involved is not worth the risk. I am usually a safety second guy bit this thing scares the hell out of me!

[@willschultz5452]

I have driven a Geo metro, only a 3 cylinder, not a bad car and very economical but pretty slow going uphill with the AC on LOL!!😂😂😂😂

[@jonblakeman6636]

@@HomeRenoVisionDIY But there is very little to no risk if used properly with some common sense.