THE BEST FIGHTING GAME TIER LIST OF 2023

[@viewtifuljoe99]

I think it'd be cool if Justin and this Channel could make some videos going into the competitive history and his thoughts of playing the games during their peak competitive runs. Go over big moments, controversies, tech discoveries that changed the meta, etc etc.

[@kye4216]

Basically Ketchup&Mustards MK series but for all the games Justin played, sounds sick.

[@mauriciobetimpaesleme8702]

NGL, seeing him narrate his runs of every EVO title would be AMAZING!!! Like his preparation, then a video per round

[@kjdevarie3670]

I can agree, this is a great idea

[@davetorres3906]

Retrospective content, yeah, that would be cool

[@inorris609]

Facts this is a great idea 💡 someone get this comment to Justin !

[@Truegamer2000]

Thanks for acknowledging Tatsunoko vs Capcom, super underrated but we still holding it down in the TVC Discord 👍🏽

[@weilzudope]

Tatsu No Noken is my favorite anime

[@csolisr]

Ever since Dolphin netplay became viable, this game became essentially immortal

[@uberculex]

DAMN I remember getting so tilted when facing giants with my kaijin no soki team. Good times. I might have to look into this. I just have to figure out how to get a controller similar to the Wii Pro controller lol(surprisingly reliable D-Pad).

[@sayianin]

wait, u mean there is a way to play it online now??

[@johnfay8931]

Looove that game

[@KramerBebop]

It's actually a good tierlist. As a KOF fan I agree with all your placements. And KOF XV fixed their matchmaking a couple months ago, come back!!

[@Tien1million]

It's a shame they fixed it after everyone already left.

[@Mr_Mistah]

​@@Tien1million KOF has never been a popular fighting game that's why people don't play it has nothing to do with the matchmaking

[@Joseph_Mother13]

Definitely the best fighting game released in recent memory.

[@sky-oq5mr]

This is an awful tier list

[@luismedel2786]

​@@Mr_Mistahmmmm yes and no Kof wasn't popular in usa and some countries of europe (ex: spain) But is highly popular in south america, asia and europe countries like france, portugal, and italy

[@SuperLemonfish]

You are probably THE person to make a list like this. You have played and truly understood all these games more than, i think anyone. The fact you acknowledge smash and put melee (to my surprise!) In a well deserved goat status spot, really said alot. The man knows his stuff! Im gonna have to check out some of your top picks and try them out now!

[@illford]

in fairness i think objectively it's in one of the top two considering it was an evo main game for a long time and it has been one of the most popular fighting games in general

[@ΚρανίΩ]

iirc he really really likes pixel art games, so there might be some bias there but tbf most good titles have a pixel art style

[@bloody4558]

Except the games in the "never played it, ever" tier

[@reikidagi]

I absolutely hate smash and dont consider it a fighting game, but come on, its melee, melee is a grand exception.

[@lightup6751]

I’d never put melee or smash for that matter into goat status. mid at best if it comes to fighting game mechanics. but I respect it’s impact as it brought a ton of casuals to the genre that became FGC

[@kevinmalone4341]

Virtua Fighter 2 was a huge upgrade to VF1. You're either a VF fan or a Tekken fan depending on whether you played VF2 or not.

[@binho2224]

I really like both franchises! I'm a casual, mostly playing offline, but I still love them both. They share the similarities that make me enjoy 3D fighters a lot more than 2D, but still play significantly different to stand out. I played the classics VF and Tekken recently, and I could not finish Tekken 1 and 2, and VF 1 and 2 more than once. They did not age well. But VF 3 and Tekken 3, they are still really fun to play. They are the first iterations that became real 3D fighter (side steps). I had a lot of fun playing 3s and 4s from both series again. VF4 Evo quest mode is super fun!

[@pcmacro]

I grew up playing both from the very first one. They are different. Personally I actually don't like the direction Tekken is taking with Anime Dragon Ball style story, and all the extra stuff like rage, rage art, and now this rush thing in T8. But I still like both game series alot. I actually play Tekken more.

[@orlanzo2621]

Fan of both series, grew up playing them both since their first iterations, and while I LIKE Tekken, I LOVE VF, and yea VF2 was really the game that cemented my love of the series. That game completely blew me away when I first saw it in the arcade in 1994, my 8 year old mind was blown.

[@FoxUnitNell]

I owned virtua fighter and virtua kids on the Saturn and played kids a lot. I didn't win on virtua 5 on hardest like I used to on the original installment but it's still in interesting series.

[@GeoGyf]

I played VF2 and that was great, but Tekken 2 was on another level with all those extra ulockable fighters.

[@TheRob2D]

Totally agree with the SFxTK placement. One more pass on that game to straighten a few things out and it could be goated.

[@jupiterapollo4985]

When I heard later that this game was hated I was genuinely very surprised. I loved it man 😭

[@JYM60]

Agree. Amazing game

[@neonkaiju]

Hell, I just appreciate that you did a sincere tier list and didn't make it clickbait or edit things to avoid some Twitter crazies. Great list.

[@matmil5]

-Strive in Trash Nah it def is ragebait

[@funkerman7]

Tekken 3 not in GOAT is weird, but when you have some many SNK titles jn GOAT I cant say this is a wrong list

[@sourthecat]

Right? Tekken 3 just made so many good changes that we see today, even playing T3 now is super fun!

[@BarnstormNZ]

But why would you ever play Tekken 3 when you could just play tag

[@funkerman7]

@@BarnstormNZ cause theyre on different fucking platforms and didnt come out at same time? What kind of dogshit is that

[@sakashimayokoshimahapofusagari]

@@BarnstormNZsure theyre similar but some people enjoy 3 more for OSTs, gameplay, etc. you should also consider that Tag is the most unbalanced clusterfxck of a TK game we have ever gotten. my nostalgia for the ps2 is what carries Tag1 personally.

[@portaalchemica]

Tatsunoko vs. Capcom is one of the best fighting games. So amazing, I miss it.

[@MrCactuar13]

These past few months I've been watching all the recent(ish) tournaments, Tatsunoko vs Corona, Frosty Faustings, Combo Breaker... I think I've caught up to everything and life feels empty

[@YiddishDancingClown]

I wish it wasn't stuck on Wii of all systems. How did that game never get ported to anything else?

[@lordbored7006]

TvC is the kind of game where the more you're exposed to it, the more you realize how amazing it is

[@Drilbit]

​@@YiddishDancingClownMainly it was rights issues getting in the way

[@معاويةابنعبدالوهاب]

Garbage game

[@ElasticLove12]

There are so many characters in SfxT that I just feel were so cool and fun play style wise that I fear we will never get again in a cap on game

[@mikeg2491]

I absolutely loved it because I’ve always loved the Tekken universe, story and characters but just never as good at its gameplay mechanics as SF. It gave the best of both worlds. Consequently Tekken 7 really sucked me in with Akuma and Geese because I knew their moves to heart.

[@RickClops]

SFxT 2v2 mode is too fun.

[@themrfelipe6005]

Capcom's monetization killed the game, i wanted to try it when it was released but as soon as i heard about p2w power ups in a FIGHTING GAME i skipped it completely

[@ElasticLove12]

@@themrfelipe6005 most people played without gems or just used the default ones but ya that wasn’t a good look

[@mikeg2491]

@@themrfelipe6005 it’s weird how the gems controversy just killed the game for good with no chance for redemption but SF5 bounced back from being a barebones release.

[@Nulak]

StreetfighterXtekken stages should be studied at the VSfighting game stages school in Detroit. Simply beautiful.

[@noino1]

i think generally this tierlist was very cool except i think disliking p4au because of the one button DP is a kinda invalid criticism considering how much you play modern on sf6, maybe these days you might be a bit more open to a mechanic like that?

[@Maver1ck101]

Yeah, that seemed strange. I wonder what he'll feel about Project L, where everyone will have a one-button reversal.

[@noino1]

​@@Maver1ck101 yeah i think these days a mechanic like that is much more welcomed by most people

[@clarencegutsy7309]

Real Bout 2 is extremely underrated, I think it may have released around the same time as Garou/Third Strike so it got lost among that but it's probably the best of the Fatal Fury games. It's well worth checking out.

[@jessemedina5436]

Facts real bout 2 is the best fatal fury game besides garou Imo

[@conradhowlf]

The first ever fighting game I took serious was SF6, the grind of learning and polishing always felt daunting to me. So a game who is able to take me out of my confort zone and make me push myself is amazing.

[@crazyilahmah707]

My first ever fighting game that i took seriously was Guilty Gear Strive, i had never played a traditional fighting game and pressing /d-pad up/ to jump was so weird compared to brawlhalla(platform fighter) were you press /jump button/ instead.Seeing new people play the game and failing at the same stuff i did like unusual inputs, and understanding numpad, that now seem like second nature to me now just puts into perspective how far i’ve come. Amazing

[@brooklyn6264]

thats recent bro , this list aint really for u then unless u wanna play these old games

[@Jam-iv6xz]

​@@crazyilahmah707 In Brawlhalla you can change your controls you know, I have up for jump and it's good that Strive has that too

[@grahammcintosh240]

U must be 15 lol

[@somethingclever3714]

So glad you speak up about how good mkx is. Its seriously the best mk game ever and no one can stop shilling for long enough to admit it

[@ri_c_e]

even now lol.

[@somethingclever3714]

@@ri_c_e yeah seriously

[@JWolfen_TMD]

Love these, still wish I knew your thoughts on Them Fightin Herds

[@sourthecat]

Its actually very fucking fun to lab in, I just wish there was more characters, but 2d fighters with an actual art team behind it makes it slow to make new stuff since animation takes long to do

[@DesiringANewDawn]

I thought they canned tht game? I read tht somewhere yesterday when seeing what tht game is​@sourthecat

[@koreyg8552]

Where’s bloody roar, dark stalkers, pocket fighter, battle arena toshiden, star gladiator/plasma sword, rival schools etc etc

[@tanman9905]

This is a rubbish tier list, No EX 1,2,3? World Heroes????? Double Dragon???? Breakers?????? Tekken 3 above Super Turbo??????

[@theironfro6395]

I'm surprised Justin likes Melee that much, or respects it that much.

[@Infinionito]

He is a pro player and melee is one of the most competitive fighting game of all time, not surprising at all.

[@Darkvortex480]

Smash Bros. Brawl still has a soft spot in my heart for being my first ssb. I will forever miss the subspace emissary, they had such a great chance to create enemies that require you to use game mechanics that could work for online but they didn't. Anyways great tier list.

[@RealBigDeal22]

Even if its your first super smash, how the hell can you enjoy randomly tripping only to get smashed away? With the few broken characters and broken mechanism they have, the game was obviously imbalanced as-well.

[@Baltic_Dude]

Ssb is way better than ultimate

[@kennard3106]

​@@RealBigDeal22It was his first smash. He wasn't worried about being all hyper competitive with it. Most people still don't play smash competitively.

[@kennard3106]

​@@Baltic_Dude😂

[@dj_koen1265]

Ssb was and still is, the best smash game for singleplayer content Its also the best game for team games imo

[@chloeirnes]

It hurts when KoF 2001 gets no love. I know it's not the best but it holds such a special place in my heart because of where I was in my life when I was first playing it.

[@mclacex1]

Great list it’s not surprising though since Justin has been a part of almost every generation of fighting games Put a lot of classics at the top from ttt1 to melee to garou to cvs2 I love it

[@gehrmanfirsthunter8646]

I'm glad to finally see CvS2 at the top of a tier list

[@Urekkato]

I'm just happy Justin said Street Fighter 4 is goated. It's my favorite for sure. The amount of hours I spent on that game.

[@mahditeymuri5650]

i'm still playing this game, Street Fighter 3rd strike and Super Street Figher Iv never dies

[@mrgoober6320]

All the people who still play SF4 are killers.

[@jmo7644]

I love videos like this, I suggest showing game footage for those who haven't played

[@dheald23]

Tekken 3 belongs in GOAT status

[@kingdavid7516]

i thought that, too, but realistically... same tier as Tekken Tag? Tekken 3 was perfect for its time, but Tag was so much better it sorta made 3 inferior.

[@sourthecat]

Ikr

[@thegoldenrule26]

Agree before online play I practiced every character for hours and knew all the optimal combos. And tekken ball! That was the funnest shieet

[@sheikhu1039]

would actually love to hear you explain strive XD

[@Siberianhusky89]

I'll do it for him. The game is mediocre. It does nothing that anime fighters have not done a million times. It limits you severely. The game focuses on neutral and does that horrible. When Guilty Gear fighting games were built, they were built from the ground up and from learning. Each change from game to game had a function/purpose. STRIVE doesn't do that. It is mindless in it's approach and clearly, they have no idea what they're doing. For example: The hitbox size of moves in STRIVE have been increased while the movement/speed/pacing of the game have been lowered. This makes absolutely no sense and is unintelligent. The reason the hitboxes and moves were so ridiculous in XX and XRD was because of the extreme movement in those games. It was because you can be evasive and avoid them. The game just tries it's best to pander for being mindless "fun" if you can even call it that. Then it focuses on imho one of the worst aspects of anime fighters. You hit someone, combo them for half health. That's the game! Have fun :B To top it off, every weird/odd person got abandoned from what they enjoyed while these clowns say "STOP HATING WHAT WE LIKE!" after robbing said fanbase who was loyal to the series simply for enjoying it.

[@afrikasmith1049]

I think Tekken 4 should be a bit higher because they improved Tekken Force and experimented with stages that had stairs and ceilings. After playing a few DOA games I kinda grew to appreciate what Tekken 4 was going for.

[@binho2224]

Tekken 4 is still really fun! Not only the atmosphere, the stages and the revamped Tekken force a good. But the gameplay is solid, where poking, spacing and punishing are so much more important than long combos. I liked it for this.

[@jblue88hoodgamer54]

I agree.

[@JohnnyBurnes]

I actually hated T5 because of how far advanced T4 seemed. Looking back, I see how 5's the fairer game competitively, but I still hate the flat stages, the floors that break with EVERY fall, the lack of character physics (like T4's hair), and....Jinpachi. Vanilla Jinpachi. Ugh! I'd MUCH RATHER play against wedgie Heihachi any day!

[@TrentonMiller11]

I've been a Steve Fox main since Tekken 4 - had a lot of fun with that game on PS2 back in the day

[@QuizBLeiK]

Tekken 4 is my favorite, because it was so different overall. That game stays with me more than the first three.

[@BSGamlng]

Anyone remember Power Stone on dreamcast? Loved that game back in the day.

[@hoblino]

SFxT is super underrated. It's such a good game. I wish there was an easy way to play it and that it still had a good scene.

[@TheBeggies95]

Man glad you put Melee in GOAT! Favorite game of all time

[@MG_Gambino]

I think SFxT is an unexplored game. Too many people were playing it like SF4, and by the time you got to the Coolkids and Zombie Diver (Driver?) and the RnK guys it was too late. Anyway, solid list. I wish I can get my hands on Tatsunoko vs Capcom. That's one game I wish was never locked to the Wii because it's stuck in limbo and I'd love to see what I could come up with, with some of those characters

[@Darockam]

Knowing Capcom I'm pretty confident with the adjustments they'll make for SF6. Pretty sure it'll be worthy of GOAT status by next year.

[@ToshisGarden]

Overall, a VERY respectable list!! I’m just happy to see Tatsunoko and literally *ANY* DOA game between 1 and Dimensions getting some proper respect, lol. Also, it wasn’t on the list, but shoutout to Bleach: the Blade of Fate. That game is GOATED for what it managed to pull off in 2006/2007 on the original DS!!

[@grandsquanchrum]

Blade of Fate was busted af. Kenpachi could just teleport spam to stall the game. The game desperately needed air throws.

[@ToshisGarden]

@grandsquanchrum Absolutely it was busted, but it was FUN busted, like basically every MvC game!! XD

[@fanglord13]

Surprised Last Blade (1 & 2) plus SVC Chaos not mentioned, but solid list :)

[@masondax7818]

Came to say same thing

[@fraysaur]

Solid tier list, Justin. Usually there will be some disagreement with a list this huge, but I reckon you were bang on with this one.

[@BobbyHo2022]

SF2 World Warrior caused the fighting genre to blow up. That is my first obsession.

[@illuminatusdeus3051]

Fatal Fury 1 - one of the most innovative out there - it had a tag team system, where 2 players could gang up against the CPU and after that fight, they had to fight each other. It had a solid story behind that fighting, catchy tunes and it started the legend of the lone wolf... of Southtown. It's my first fighting game too... so always have a soft spot for both Fatal Fury 1 and Street Fighter 2 World Warrior... you have no freakin idea how popular SF2 WW was back then... like they even made an infamous HK cantonese flik starring Aaron Kwok and Andy Lau after SF2 WW...! And the first Fatal Fury was called... King of FIghters!!! Both these games should have been GOAT status dude.

[@TakaComics]

As a Tekken player, I'd put T3, TTT1, and T7 all in GOAT status, along with T5. All for very different reasons, too.

[@thelog7161]

I agree with most but can't get down with MK11 and Injustice 2 getting swatted like that 😂 loved those games, personally - the MTs notwithstanding, I had a lot of fun with em. BUT to each their own, obvi 🤘 Fun video as always, Justin!

[@MrMonsterKen]

MK11 is an underappreciated gem, so is IJ2.

[@ri_c_e]

@@MrMonsterKen maybe, but it also makes sense why people don't fck with them

[@MrMonsterKen]

@@ri_c_e No way, they are all just a bunch of elitist, nostalgia-goggle cowards that think they know everything about fighting games, they're the true fools to be honest with you, i'm sick of them, so is casual FG enjoyers and common sense people. Yes, this generation has hope for improvement but its far from a disaster and people need to get their heads off their rear end or just go away.

[@BenJi2DxD]

All good, but *Tekken 3* should be GOAT, cuz I know sooooo many people that never play fighting games...but they played Tekken 3 "oh yeah I remember being so good with Eddy Gordo" so...ya know, it's the fighting game every gamer has played and has fond memories of, if that ain't legendary, I don't know what is. Oh ya know what, Waku Waku 7 is a nice fighting game :D

[@Voobit]

Out of all the fighting games I’ve played (Skullgirls, sf6, ssbu, ggst, dbzf), my favorite is Guilty Gear Strive, but I get why some people dont like it

[@SaulGoodman193]

Most underrated fg is KI. Always been and always will.

[@AbirZenith]

Fantastic tier list

[@earthquakenate]

My List of Dope Underrated Fighting games: Fist of the North Star, Sengoku Basara, DBZ Budokai 3, DBZ Budokai Tenkaichi 3, Soul Calibur 3, KOF 98/2002, SSF2 T, Breakers, Arcana Heart, Real Bout Special, Last Blade 2 Best for Laughs: Clay Fighter, Shaq Fu, Eternal Champions, Saturday Night Slam Masters, Primal Rage, Worl Heroes Perfect

[@MasterSartorius]

It really depends on what the player is generally looking for in a fighting game honestly. Also, some games that were bad before wind up super sick in the future.

[@CommunitySkratch]

good list, agreed with most if not all, nice vid, probably the only tier list vid i could ever watch in full haha tremendous

[@Wondering_samurai]

Thanks a lot for making an idea video like this its like a recommendation games even if your not a champion of gaming or you are, i still think you got the best content dude and imma check all the amazing experience games youve played

[@JobbyFraggle]

I think Tekken 4 is underrated and one of the best in the series. It didn’t land with everyone but the risks it took were interesting and I’d love to see more of the environmental stuff in stages come back. It made things interesting at least and wasn’t just about long ass boring juggle combos.

[@Bluzlbee]

I am about having a denial about strive being fun, I feel so much better seeing you put it in trash makes me realize maybe my inner instinct suspicions were always correct. Strive is a coin toss 2hit simulator, or 30 second defense simulator with obscure visually impairing frame traps it's really frustrating when you play other games well, and Strive cuts that out as an option and forces unfun unreactable mix ups

[@AzurePhoenix86]

As a long time fan of Guilty Gear since GGX I agree that Strive is trash tier. The game barely feels like GG and I got bored of it before they even starting releasing dlc.

[@tontimmy45635]

​@@AzurePhoenix86 honestly strive feels like sfv except with good netcode. Just wish strive was a spin off series

[@doooodeh]

Strive is simply badly designed game and theres a reason fanbase of it are smash players and people who didnt liked fighting games before/got into them with it. Strive wasnt even designed as GG game it was first thing both Katano and Daisuke said during interview at TGS back in 2019 and they also said game is designed in a way to bring in people who dont like fighting games not newcomers to series or genre but actually for people who never liked genre before and it shows. Fact is that they achieved their design goal and its a success but to anyone even not old GG fans but simply fighting genre enjoyers that game is just trash.

[@tontimmy45635]

@@doooodeh preach it had short term rewards but long term consequences

[@MrMonsterKen]

What a dumb comment, and you know what? So is Street Fighter, also simple at its core.

[@TheMixedPlateFrequency]

I agree with this list 100%.

[@dedeath]

strive isnt the greatest, but it certainly doesn't deserve trash tier

[@ramburgervalentine7621]

It does.

[@c1dotzsxjigga940]

It is trash they ruined what was guilty gear they fell in to that blazue crosstag Dbz fighterz spam 1 button bs

[@Liboo52]

@@ramburgervalentine7621does he have any videos where he explains why? He put out a video 3 years ago literally telling everyone they should buy it kzbin.info/www/bejne/pqLXf3mIgLl6lZIsi=EIU3pbuoU38TK9D5

[@dj_koen1265]

It doesnt really deserve trash but its not too grest either

[@adhamadyatma4716]

It doesn't resonate with the original concept of Guilty Gear, so yeah it does

[@nintenstation128]

vf2 is so cool. i've been recently getting into it + watching some tourneys and that game is crazy fast

[@MusicStuffSome]

I hadn't realised there was much of a scene for it but that's cool !

[@Bluzlbee]

Pai dab victory

[@ringzy]

I completely agree w sfxt

[@gipgap4]

Me too, great game.

[@Zinksk8er]

Smash Melee is literally the only fighting game I pick back up as a secondary game. Although SF6 is my main game, nothing scratches that weird Melee Captain Falcon itch, it's so free flow. What games do you know that are played competitively 23 years in a row? There is really nothing like it.

[@Lloydo111]

Most of them i agree and i definitely agree on SXT! It was fantastic but the controversy made some ppl hate it! Love the presentation,audio design and systems! And the satges are so good! Seeing Tekken characters in 2D is still amazing! What hurts me tho is samurai shodown 1 being trash which it isn't i had insane memories of playing it for countless hours with my relatives and friends! Its so good

[@moizter]

third strike and ULTRA SF4! I definitely, definitely agree. Nailed it!!

[@EldritchMephi]

I was curious about what you thought about Soul Edge. I thought the weapon durability system was interesting and it kinda has a similar in game function to the drive gauge in sf6, where blocking for too long will cause you to take chip, as well as being able to burn it for more damage. Its been a long time since i played it on PS1 but I remember enjoying it a lot. Not as much as SC2 of course...

[@Rob165x]

word, I forgot about that game cuz it was on PS1 but it was a solid precursor to soul calibur. Cervantes crew! (...or Mitsurugi) I think Bloody Roar would've been fun to see, but it felt a bit unbalanced. Also did I miss Children of the Atom, XvSF and MvSF? ...I know Infinite was trash.

[@Amanojaku8]

@@Rob165x He put XvsSF and MvSF in really fricking amazing and good respectively from what I can see. He commited heresy by putting COTA in trash (alongside SamSho 1!).

[@Tek195]

Tekken 3, VF 2, MK 9 & MK 2 & definitely SF2 should be goated their impact alone gives them that status not too mention they were awesome games.

[@demonicious_]

Glad SFxT has some love. It's an amazing game that was also underwhelmed due to a bad launch.

[@MdrnGmngScks]

The depth and balance of the Groove system for me makes CvS2 my all time favourite fighting game, maybe even my all time favourite game.

[@The_Winter_Shoulder]

Pretty good list, Strive being trash is crazy tho bro 😂 I would also say give Melty Blood Type Lumina a shot, it's actually really good.

[@CrimsonMoonM]

I'm really hoping that UNI 2 can manage to retain at least some of the playerbase that Type Lumina lost. On one hand, UNI doesn't have the Type-Moon branding to lean on or Melty's history as a champion among underdogs. On the other, its own history is nothing to sneeze at either, the game has ASW backing it as publisher and there are no controversial mechanics like Type Lumina's shield system that may drive people away, Plus, I'd wager most people who have even a passing interest in Melty knows that UNI is French Bread's spiritual successor, so some of Melty's niche popularity is bound to rub off. I guess it all comes down to how good the Rollback implementation is. ASW has plenty of experience in that department and FB did a decent enough job with Type Lumina, so I hope it starts off without any major hiccups like KOF XV had the misfortune of running into...

[@The_Winter_Shoulder]

@CrimsonMoonM I'm disappointed UNI 2's not coming to Xbox, so Type Lumina & Blazblue Cross Tag will be all Xbox owners have in this department. It's unfortunate Type Lumina doesn't have crossplay either.

[@dj_koen1265]

The problem with mb and uni2 is that they are just too expensive for the kind of game they are Yes mb tl looks visually stunning but its still mb, and uni2 is still just uni ; A part of the appeal of those games was imo that you could get them for cheap, and i suspect a lot of people who weren’t already fans wont want to pay full price for them

[@justsayin4632]

That was masterful trolling with that Ultra SF2 thumbnail😂 Curious on your thoughts about HD Remix. Seems like the only people who hate it are those whose Balrog or Dhalsim got nerfed from the broken original versions. I personally love it. Probably because my main got buffed. 😂

[@arvinsim]

Soul Calibur II was definitely a sleeper. I had so much fun playing that game that I neglected to play Tekken for local tournaments hahaha. And it was newbie friendly too. No air juggles makes it acessible

[@kramareva7446]

Very good list Justin, i agree with almost all of them.. 3s, CvS2, TTT, MVC2/3 definitely Legendary Status..👌👌

[@alejandrobenitez9943]

Most of your takes I agree with but I would like to see more rare capcom games like cyberbots,project power,power stone get ranked ,an all capcom list would be cool.Also a neo geo list would be cool Last blade 2 is a great game

[@philmason9653]

Justin my man if you haven't really given Virtua Fighter before 5 a go, I bet you'd find some quirky stuff in VF3tb, the one with uneven arenas on stairs & rooftops etc.

[@joz9540]

Been quite indecisive about buying MK1 there's just soo many ppl saying a lot of bad things about it and not worth it in general but hearing this guy say it's quite good is very useful tbh I think I might buy it (winter sale 50% off atm) and put time into it to get good

[@GeoGyf]

It will be even cheaper in April, if you are willing to hold out. In general NS tends to sell MK games cheaply after some time, example check MK9,10,11 prices when on sale. Honestly, I dont think MK1 its that good. The story was meh from the beginning & that led to a lot of people's interest waning off. However, since you seem to want MK1 to play ranked as well, then it might be better to play it now, before the DLCs hit & you regret your choice.

[@MacDibs]

I personally really like mk1. However, people have a right to be pissed off. On PC it doesn't run for some( a lot) of people and there are a lot of bugs there. There are also a lot of micro transactions that piss people off like some of the fatalities have to be purchased etc. some of the seasonal costumes are very ugly. The single player aspect is not great either but I don't play fighters for single player. The game also launched with connection issues that affected both console and PC and they patched it but sometimes still has some issues there. I don't care for some of the dlc characters. So that's a lot of negatives I wrote. And they are kinda big negatives. Positives: I actually really liked the story up until the last act. The actual gameplay is awesome. I think the levels and graphics and art style are awesome. Music is good. I like the roster.

[@davicpetrovski155]

I started playing 3rd strike in 2017, I know it’s late but I didn’t have access to it here in Europe until the remastered versions came out. But that game is so sick

[@Tungdil_01]

If you put MK1 in A+, I think SF6 should be S. Both in the same tier is just wrong. JWong was probably very tired at the end of the video, so that's probably why he didn't notice that issue

[@oEXTRA]

Did you not listen to what he said? He said it's too early to put it in GOAT tier and he's right. It's an amazing game hands down, but let's see if this holds up for a few years (which it probably will) before giving it GOAT status.

[@معاويةابنعبدالوهاب]

Mk was always mid

[@KrumaKarduma]

MK1 has great gameplay. It's weak in other areas, but JW seems to be exclusively talking about gameplay. I really doubt he misplaced MK1 or SF6 as he knows that's what people came to see. His take is the mainstream take of FGC generalist (people who play both NRS and Capcom).

[@Zekersaurusrex]

Can we see a tier list of most balanced fighting games?

[@mattyryon]

You put MK1 over SF6? That's wild, and just objectively wrong

[@KyChupLoL]

"Objectively" 😂

[@mattyryon]

@@KyChupLoL did I stutter?

[@sakashimayokoshimahapofusagari]

he can't be objectively wrong because it's an opinion, and you should really calm your shit bc both games need more time to mature before we can come to a real verdict on them. sad case but thats how most games are now.

[@sakashimayokoshimahapofusagari]

if anyone's "objectively wrong" here, it would be you and you alone ironically💁🏽

[@mattyryon]

@@sakashimayokoshimahapofusagari Nah MK1 was trash out the gate, unironically made MK11 look good in comparison. Even casuals dumped it week 1

[@BackSlashJvb125]

this tier list is TOP BUT ALSO VERY HOT, in the end of the day people just like diffrent stuff, there is soo many fighting games out there, there is 1 for anyone i feel

[@АндрёйКотов-х5й]

It's weird how Brawlhalla doesn't get much attention when it has 100 million players with 20million monthly players (crossplay). Insanely good tournament entries online and LAN, massive prize pools, consistent developer support, extremely active community. It's not nearly as recognized as Smash (it does not have the massive legacy or storied history of it), but it deserves some praise imo. It's different from Smash in basically every way but the genre. People are very quick to discount it without giving it a serious try and how good high level competitive play is. Also one of the most balanced fighting games ever.

[@АндрёйКотов-х5й]

When i first tried brawlhalla, I got the impression that it was super floaty and the gameplay didn’t seem very well put together. But the game has a lot of movement mechanics such as dash, dash jump, chase dodging, gravity cancels and more that make it in my opinion one of the most fast paced and skill based platform fighters.

[@gambitzorr1]

@@АндрёйКотов-х5й Brawlhalla works and survives because it has a unique form of combat with the weapons system, like you said it has a massive esports scene. Yes it is floaty but the dash and gravity cancel mechanics make it so it feels fast and allows you to take advantage of being in the air. It survives on being different than smash or other platform fighters

[@nikkobird590]

Characters play almost exactly like each other

[@kyallon1213]

If it doesn’t get that much attention with 20 million monthly players, then a large number of those players are probably bots. Smaller platform fighters still get attention within the smash scene like rivals and NASB because platform fighter players like platform fighters, but nobody talks about brawlhalla because nobody actually plays it

[@nrostova5606]

Finally Tekken Tag receiving the goat status. I freaking loved that game a lot more than any other fg I've played. And the music is the FCKIN GREATEST.

[@xSH1N0B1x]

Literally the only thing I would change,moving Soul Calibur 2👆

[@tonyfrazier6857]

I appreciate the fact that he put Melee under GOAT status. Even if you don't consider melee a fighting game like he said, high level melee is some of the greatest shit to watch.

[@DJG37S]

How was Tekken 5 DR not included??? Tekken 5 DR is in the GOAT status for sure!!! Best tekken game in history by far.

[@mindcrome]

Agreed. I miss Christie soooo much. She was god like I swear.

[@MrMonsterKen]

I agree, one of the best tekkens ever made.

[@St4rDustSpirit]

I don't regret pre-ordering Street Fighter x Tekken. I've always had fun with the gameplay. ❤

[@killakam5981]

The disrespect of Tekken 4 has to stop. The aesthetic, the best/darkest story of the franchise. The only downside was the uneven stages, because Tekken 5 was broken too especially Steve Fox. Virtua fighter 2,3,4,5 needs to be all in the GOAT status. 4 has the best tutorial in any fighting game.

[@sourthecat]

I love T4 so much but It was madly broken, but it did set up so many unique stage elements that I wish was an option to turn on in future games. Just going to training mode to find all parts of the stage is so fun

[@bowskiaws5432]

Doesn't excuse bad gameplay though. Mechanicaly speaking, it's very weak, even though aesthetically it's my favorite Tekken.

[@MrMonsterKen]

Tekken 4 had some good things going for it, but it will never live up to the glory of 5, 5 revitalized the franchise, 4 just lacked so much polish compared to its predecessors and successors. Still fun, though, but it wasn't that good.

[@Narding5566]

While most of us agree with your points on Tekken 4, its just a bad fighting game. Its a great game, one of the best Tekken games but horrendous fighting game. T5 might be broken but it is still has good fighting game mechanics that the games after it made T5 as their defacto basis until now.

[@AdamJDM1]

Cool list, but sucks to see the hate on KoF2001. I got that on my PS2 in a combo along with 2000 and it was the first time I truly tried to learn the intricacies of a fighting game instead of just button mashing. It really cemented the fighting genre as my favorite in all of gaming.

[@sourthecat]

Thanks for putting strive low, it took away alot of fun stuff just to cater to casuals. It makes every match look the same when watching and I really hope it decides to add deeper mechanics to it

[@justanimation2265]

I agree, but its still fun i guess.

[@jacqueswang3722]

I’d love this video with some gameplay footage of the games he’s elaborating about

[@shermedout]

I saw alpha but I would’ve loved to see the reasoning behind alpha 3 being amazing lol I think it’s GOAT status because the Dreamcast version of it had so many different modes, every single character, and world tour mode… alpha 3 was the first time a fighting game allowed you to customize one of the characters as if it was an MMO… i dont know it has always been my favorite

[@stevesteve0521]

It’s goat status for me as well, Dreamcast, Saturn, ps1 and psp ports are all incredible. Alpha anthology port for ps2 added extra isms so like you have a sf3 ism where you can literally parry moves it’s amazing. I’m actually surprised he had alpha 3 over alpha 2 for a long time he said alpha 2 was the better game but now since he’s played alpha 3 in fightcade so much he’s grown to actually love the game

[@El_Chuchuca]

​​@@stevesteve0521Because Alpha 2 has a more rigid system. While Alpha 3 went more bonkers with the -ism in a broken way so Alpha 2 is preferred for this. I love Alpha 3 much more though.

[@NarcoticDimension]

Sfxt is my fav fighting game of all time... definitely one of the most underrated fighting games of all time. I played it online till its dying days and the community was just awesome. I miss it a lot.

[@kuzunohaxiv7912]

Man I agree with most except while I do completely understand the problem with instant DPs still love P4U, it feels so good to play

[@pochoboto]

I love the biased towards Mvc2 and Umvc3 both of my favorite FGs of all time

[@phoenixthundersky]

But you listed Strive in S tier in the top 5 best fighting games fo play in 2023...

[@mlalbaitero]

Gets boring

[@battlemode]

Everybody always misses Weaponlord... difficult and convoluted to learn, but I think it was a really good game

[@neonspinx]

Def Jam Fight for New York dunking on everybody.

[@Krampus6-1-6]

Easy. The controls of all these 2D fighting games is not satisfying. I wish someone made a fighting game like def jam again.

[@robertocarlospereiracosta5442]

You should try Guilty Gear Missing Link. The game is so broken that is what actually fun to play.

[@friskydrinklunkybank1108]

Surely this video will spark a wholesome and helpful conversation 😀

[@differentculturessamenatur9439]

Could u do a in depth thoughts on each one but with Gameplay to explain more visually Thxs for ur time brother

[@CrimzonWolf777]

I'm sitting here watching this like "Wait...I've seen this already!" and immediately remembered that I was in the stream when you were doing this xD

[@William-Sunderland]

The experience from this guy my god.

[@realbadhunter6165]

I think this list is great, I love playing strive but I understand why people from xx and xrd don't because it's alot slower and the the gatling system is completely different but I would put is at freaking good

[@dj_koen1265]

Ye the strive opinions can get a bit exaggerated imo My experience personally is that it doesnt really offer much to veterans of the genre and therefore it puts people off And especially if you played a lot of xrd and xx before then strive will feel completely uncanny and viscerally unpleasant because its completely different yet looks similar

[@dj_koen1265]

To add to that, going between +r and xrd feels something like going from smash 4 to smash 5 And then with strive feels like going from smash to brawlhalla

[@dj_koen1265]

For example, i started playing fighting games relatively recently And i started with xx, and when i played xrd for the first time it still felt like quilty gear at its core but all the little differences put me off for a good while But as of late i have come to understand that that is just unfamiliarity and that xrd is an amazing game in its own right Recently i also tried strive but that experience was so jarring that i felt like i should probably just refund it for the time being That doesnt mean strive is a bad game, and a lot of people are enjoying it But it felt a little bit too jarring and not as exciting for me personally But maybe in the future i will try it again and revise my opinion

[@SomeKillerTofu]

See I went from XX back on the PS2 and Judgement on PSP straight to Strive years later and have been loving my time with it, other than Extreme difficulty Nago to get the last trophy for the platinum... So I really don't get the hate, personally. Granted, I haven't really played any of the Xrd series so maybe my opinion would be different if I had been more active for those years in between. I do own at least one of the games in that run so maybe I will check it out sooner or later. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@haytham4837]

Can someone explain to me what's justin's beef with strive😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@MrMonsterKen]

I'll never know, because he is evolving to be one of "those guys" in the FGC, you know what i'm talking about, hence the moral decency declining within the FGC.

[@benjaminwang9837]

No beef. Strive just deserves.

[@AK-cp6br]

The game is just trash.

[@orlanzo2621]

The game is stripped down, basic, and boring compared to past GG games. The game is a snooze fest. STRIVE is only “good” if you’ve never played the previous games. I swear that game is carried by its netcode, graphics, and character designs.

[@MrMonsterKen]

@@AK-cp6br Like your cousin.

[@DIOBrando-ij2bp]

Hideaki Itsuno needs to return to fighting games. It’s possible he’s doing that Power Stone remake after Dragon’s Dogma 2 comes out. But it would be nice to see him do more. With Street Fighter 6 taking mechanics from Devil May Cry 5 it really seems like he should return to do a fighting game. It’d be interesting to see him do Capcom vs SNK 3 with the renewed talk of Capcom and SNK crossover games from the companies last year.

[@classicsagat]

I think Alpha 2 and 3 should be in the same tier, love both of those games so much.

[@stevesteve0521]

Both are goat tier to me

[@classicsagat]

@@stevesteve0521 For sure!

[@DanHemsath]

Tekken Tag was so good. Loved that soundtrack! Imma debate CvS2 as "balanced", but dang, it's soo good, who cares?! Soul Calibur got me to buy my Dreamcast, but DOA2 sure hooked me. KOF 13 made me drool, it was so beautiful. So glad to see Garou getting the love it rightfully deserves these days. I think that you really gotta love Persona 4 to get the most out of P4A/P4AU. Yeah, MvC2/3 are that good. (Wha happen, MvCI?) And we'll always owe you, Capcom, for bringing fighting back with SF4. Tekken 2 single handedly got me back into video games back in the day. (Tekken 4 may not play well, but I do miss the darker stories for each character, though, that weren't just "be the strongest" or "beat some Mishima".) And I'm no pro, but one of those proud moments for me was winning a local Tekken 3 tournament.

[@meleewaluigi1998]

JWong talking about Smash Ultimate not knowing the game his mouse was on was Smash for Wii U lol

[@GregHuffman1987]

i dunno how he finds ult boring but melee is world class. for its time, sure melee is a++ but cmon ult is a step up on quality and quantity

[@warieaux]

⁠@@GregHuffman1987define “for its time”, the game is 22 years old and the community is bigger than it’s ever been right now. as soon as the next smash game comes out, people will stop playing ultimate, but i’m confident people will still be playing melee

[@warieaux]

@@GregHuffman1987define “for its time”. the game is 22 years old and the scene is currently bigger than its ever been. once the new smash game comes out, everyone will hop off of ultimate but melee will probably still be alive