The Best Frames for Skating flat: SYMETRICS vs KIZER FLUID V vs Ground Control FLT4

This is a comparison of the Symetrics frame by Adapt, The Kizer Fluid V, and the new Ground Control FLT4 frame for skating flat (when you're old, mediocre, and mostly skate ledges).

[@fiditunka]

i just bought my first ever skates at age 41. usd sways with kizer fluid v frames. i bought a set of undercover 55s too. so now hearing you say, that in your opinion thats a great way to start with, makes me look forward to exploring aggressive skating with this setup. thanks and greetings from vienna/austria. 🙂

[@austinfrench8760]

I have been really enjoying skating the fluid 5 frames. They compliment the Razor cults really well in my opinion.

[@OnnoKaell]

Hell yeah! This is the video I have been waiting for!!!! Awesome and humorous as usual!

[@RollOverTheHill]

Haha glad you liked it!

[@RollOverTheHill]

@Gavin Tatro thanks Gavin!

[@sameboat9162]

Thanks Chris. Always enjoy your reviews Appreciate the funny tags you throw in there. I ordered a pair of white fluid Vs from Oak. Taking forever to get here though. Nice to hear that you prefer them to the new FLT4s. Cheers!

[@RollOverTheHill]

Thanks so much! I think you’ll really like the Fluid V’s.

[@sameboat9162]

@@RollOverTheHill Hey Chris, my fluid Vs finally showed up, however I'm having trouble setting them up. Wondering if you had any trouble with them. The frame spacers didn't come assembled and are almost impossible to install. Then, once they're in, I can't get the middle wheels in because they're too tight. I remember hearing about this issue with the Oysi medium frames. Didn't expect it with these. Am I doing something wrong? This is crazy. I'm not even sure I can set them up. Any advice appreciated.

[@sameboat9162]

Done! Man, that was a job. Used a tool to pull the frame walls apart and hammered the wheels in. My hands are sore, shards of metal from the frame wall spacers everywhere, but they're finally setup with black GC 57s on my black 909s with the Them Intuition liners. Looking sexy. I love white frames. Hopefully I'll get to test them out tomorrow. Not looking forward to the next time I've gotta change those inside wheels. I figure you didn't have the same issue, otherwise you would've mentioned it in a video. Got them from OAK City, so I'll send a message to Long and ask him if anyone else had issues.

[@BigSh00tsie]

saw this right after ordering frames. Glad i ordered Fluid 5s.

[@RollOverTheHill]

I think you’ll like them!

[@BigSh00tsie]

@@RollOverTheHill they JUST came in. Do I work late or put them together? (Sadly work late but tomorrow!)

[@mementomorita9801]

It'll be great to see you skate the K2 ones 🤘🏻

[@RollingSwiss]

K2 Unnatural is still one of the best flat frames ever made. Could ride it 60mm flat or rockered and had absolutely no wheel bite at all

[@lonerblader85]

Got a pair of these just lying around. Might have to pop them on my skates xD

[@OnnoKaell]

Skate the FRONTSTREETS! Oh and have you tried the THEM Street Frames?

[@RollOverTheHill]

Ok! I skated Them’s briefly but maybe I need to revisit THEM.

[@OnnoKaell]

@@RollOverTheHill - I see what you did there Mister! ;)

[@axelf.3188]

Bought a pair of flt4 used for 2weeks I think for 25€. Can't wait to try em

[@jadrollervlog]

Awesome review! This info is spot on

[@RollOverTheHill]

Thanks!

[@designatedrolla]

Interesting comparison man. I'm skating Them frames with the stock 56mm wheels at the moment, and I've had little/no wheelbite even when skating ledges. Got Fluid V, Symetrics and Kaltik to try next (not sure which yet!) but don't wanna switch out just yet.

[@rossthomson9833]

It be interesting to hear how it's going with the comparison

[@designatedrolla]

@@rossthomson9833 If you're talking to me - Them with 56 flat was great. I've JUST started skating Fluid V with 60 flat, skated an indoor park with mostly angle iron and had no wheel bite at all. Will continue to skate them and see how they go. I've heard really good things about the Fluid V from pretty much everyone who skates them.

[@rossthomson9833]

Very insightful, I happen to have fluid 5s and them frames I'm trying ad flat. I've been skating flat two years, but the kizer element 2s and this last year sola frames, feel it's time to go back to plastic.

[@royale4507]

I came here to say I watched this video and bought Kizer Fluid V afterwards. I got wheel bite on a down ledge and flew over the whole damn thing headfirst to land on my hands (instead of my head). Spent the night in the ER with dislocated metacarpals. Maybe 60s are too big for these but I hate these frames now haha

[@InlineStruggle]

Thanks so much for this informative video. 😀

[@RollOverTheHill]

Glad you found it helpful!

[@justmikestuff7710]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I'm thinking about getting back into rolling this summer and am really into the idea of skating flat. Have you skated Oysi frames? I've had my eye on them and I'm curious how you'd rate them compared to the frames on this list.

[@RollOverTheHill]

Cool, you should! Skating flat is so much fun. I have tried both versions of the Oysi and they’re both solid. I prefer the Oysi medium chassis. I have a couple videos about them.

[@FabiusPyromanus]

Would love a video comparison of the Medium vs. Original Oyisus from you!

[@newwaveskate]

Nice review. Good skating.

[@bladeworks5012]

Very helpful comparison review video, thanks a lot! I'm looking for a flat frame and I guess I'll give a try to kizer fluid 5 frames when I have a chance. Do you have any opinions about riding create original og frames as flat?

[@RollOverTheHill]

I haven’t skated Create frames flat, but I know a lot of people do. My concern would be how wide the groove is. That generally leads to wheel bite.

[@chilli-iceolive-abode2447]

Interesting. I nearly got suckered by the hype, but after seeing this I have decided I'm not buying the new FLT4s. I already have the Oysi frames and the fluid V and I just got the new kizer element 2.0 60mm flat frame. There is definitely something to be said for riding a more traditional flat setup. I think it feels better to roll on then if you have huge spacing between wheel 2 & 3 for some reason. I love my my poor man Symetrics. The only Symetrics things I own are their superfast black wheels, I would highly recommend them if you get the chance.

[@Austintatious]

Which are better? The fluid 5’s or Oysi medium? There’s a new “super fluid” of the kizer 5 now.

[@shucklefan1]

Another good video, made me happy i didnt buy the FL4. I think ill just get the symmetrics

[@RollOverTheHill]

Thanks! Symetrics are great.

[@jadrollervlog]

I wasn't thrilled with FLT4 either. Definitely go symmetrics !!!

[@nothing_happening_here]

Not sure why the Fluid frames are included as a flat frame, since they come with a built in anti rocker.

[@lonerblader85]

All the Fluid frames from 1 to 4 were designed for anti rocker. The Fluid 5 was redesigned specifically for skating a flat set up.

[@frederikjensen528]

What would you choose oysi vs symetric, have been ridden oysi large frame 68mm 56mm but looking for full flat setup. Is there a big difference? Going from oysi to symetrics riding full 58mm flat

[@RollOverTheHill]

To be honest, I'd go with the Kizer Fluid V. It's very similar to the Symetrics frame but has a little more space between the wheels.

[@zackmarkham4240]

I don't know if you still have those K2's, but if you still haven't skated them or did for a video and they're gathering dust, what about raffle them off to a subscriber?

[@RollOverTheHill]

I would, but I ended up getting rid of them shortly after this.

[@zackmarkham4240]

@@RollOverTheHill Damn. I hope they went to a good home!

[@kevinchow6377]

Any experience skating the K2 frames with h block protection and also the THEM street frames?

[@RollOverTheHill]

I haven’t been able to try the K2 frames. Them frames are good, but a bit less wheel bite protection.

[@ВикторТронкин]

What is the distance between 2nd and 3d bolts and height of the frame?

[@ВикторТронкин]

Frames kizer

[@tilted8]

Thank you!

[@bonter1983]

No K2 unnatural frames, they're easily one of if not the best flat frames there are. The fibreglass compound makes them very stiff and responsive too.

[@RollOverTheHill]

Maybe so, but they don’t make them anymore.

[@matthewheaton9700]

Have you tried the kizer slimline II frames? I've found they're amazing for flat setups. The groove is long like the flt4 but not as deep as it looks, no more than most frames. They look deep due to the extension of the wheel bite protection. I've never had such a light frame as well. They slide beautifully and do not wear down much at all even after hundreds of grinds although I am a rail man rather than ledges or street but I mainly grind rather than anything else. I've got the ground control mega frames too which are equally as amazing for flat but they are taller than I'm used to so it took a few attempts to get boot down but it's simply a case of slightly adjusting your technique. Also, both the kizer slimline II and the ground control mega frame are some of the fastest frames I've ever used!

[@pjsanab]

How does the Oysi compare to these ?

[@RollOverTheHill]

I really liked the Osyi medium chassis, I’d say that’s as good or better than any of these in terms of wheel bite protection. That said, the spacing between the wheels is very wide and they require different sized wheels, so they aren’t a “traditional” flat setup. I found the original Oysi chassis to be a bit too tall for my preference.

[@claudineielvbergb.4692]

Hummmm ... Adapdt (simétric) is a uhmw> more soft matérial....a kizer is a nylon with fiberglass>material mais seco.

[@designatedrolla]

Skate the Front Streets, haha!

[@seanlowkey9388]

Symetrics look like delrin. Although they are not

[@TomQuillyn]

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