The BEST PLAYER EVER In IODIS!

[@flappy7373]

man this was a good one! the player FINALLY didn't lie or mislead when he said he outplayed, etc. he just didn't understand how to handle lurkers. this really was a golden top tier IODIS

[@hivetech4903]

It could be said he didn't know how to handle Hydras, and if he did he would never have had to fight Lurkers lol.

[@KenjaTimu]

It's like his little brother took over halfway through the game. Or he said what a great opening. Time to get high.

[@officalgod4408]

-Quoted krill

[@phelanwolf6747]

It is hard to understand that someone is so ignorant about how the units work. If you research one of the strongest spells in the game and get the perfect targets (Lurkers with blinding cloud on top of them

[@Joppsta360]

@@phelanwolf6747 storm kinda sucks in the current meta though, so it's not at the front of your mind. How many pro games do you see it used?

[@colinreuter]

I beat Krill on ladder last week and he messaged me after the game with a rant about how IMBA lurkers are (after he sniped two hatcheries at cost of the getting cornered and losing his whole army to lurkers on the way out). I told him to get over and tell it to Harstem, he said he already did... holy shit he wasn't joking. Amazing

[@nick1752]

LOL that's nice =)

[@MagicRabbit]

Krill needs to chill a little, I guess.

[@quickdraw6893]

If only the Protoss had a capable air roster that could have rolled over a lurker ball without losses... Forget Carriers, mass oracle would have dumpstered this game by minute 12.

[@abefernandez6546]

He should have transitioned way earlier by the 1st signs of lurkers. Either airtoss or mass immortals.

[@patrickmiller6236]

How about a disruptor….

[@Twas-RightHere]

I wish there was more IODIS like this, where the player is genuinely better and outplays the opponent but has some misunderstandings to be corrected. Very educational!

[@SpeedyBozar]

You mean when the player is genuinely worse and gets outplayed by the opponent but has better mechanics to make it look like he is the better player.

[@Twas-RightHere]

@@SpeedyBozar No, I don't mean that.

[@Twas-RightHere]

@@SpeedyBozar No, I don't mean that. I mean when the player is genuinely better and outplays the opponent but has some misunderstandings to be corrected.

[@snoopstp4189]

yea Hasterm has a tendency to over analyze, all the had to say was build starports and another robo instead of all the gates and you probably win that pretty easily.

[@sakesaurus]

Why would they tell everything correctly on the form if they misunderstood the reason they lost. This is basically the same as every other iodis submission

[@wisp6826]

Truth be told this guy is pretty good and we have here a legitimate coaching.

[@charlesnewborn3760]

You cant coach someone who doesn't have a basic understanding of the fact that ARCHONS DONT COUNTER LURKERS. Like Jesus Christ. I don't care how good your mechanics are, this guy is seriously mental and needs to read an instruction manual on units and their counters.

[@yaroslavcoloskov6357]

@@charlesnewborn3760 I'm not sure why you're so mad, but telling someone that mechanically they're good for their level, but their composition/decision making is flawed against particular opponent's composition is literally how coaching works.

[@yurimiyama9825]

@@charlesnewborn3760 Guy who don't know how coaching works screams at random internet passerby as if he is Einstein LOL.

[@fredwin]

​@@yaroslavcoloskov6357To be fair though, it's weird. How many games do you have to win in order to reach 4k? That's a ton of experience playing the game, and you'd think that type of experience comes with a decent amount of decision making. So how does such a player not grasp a basic mechanic like unit counters?

[@Deto128]

@@fredwin sometimes you just think you're so far ahead that you stop being careful. You think 'oh, I've been making archons and while they aren't the best match, I'll just overwhelm them with superior numbers because I'm so far ahead'

[@snowdrop9810]

Comparing this to chess: you outplay your oponnent so well and they blunder a lot, you're up a rook and 2 pawns, then you trade your queen for a pawn and now you're losing. Is Black imba or do I suck?

[@DFGdanger]

Yeah although the soccer/football analogy was hilarious I was more expecting the chess analogy. GM Ben Finegold('s channel) just recently reuploaded his lecture on blunders/resigning and it really hammers home this aspect that you really can lose the game instantly from one bad move. "The truth hurts!"

[@Silversiren28]

Chess Player 1: Heh, heh, heh, I want to see you get out of this! Chess Player 2: Rook takes pawn h7, checkmate. Chess Player 1: Nani?!

[@nick1752]

*and then you just blunder knight mate in one (fixed ver.)

[@Mystro84]

"Not if they some smart ass pawns"

[@augustsbautra]

Let's appreciate the less known meme of SC2, at 22:55 the zerg player accuses the toss of all-inning when no such thing happened; the zerg's opener was just so bad that they are under the impression that only an allin would allow the toss to exert so much pressure :D

[@nick1752]

Yeah, that shit is hilarious, typical toxic SC2 community moment

[@ronnin2011]

Let's appreciate the fact that most of the people on chat don't comprehend the definition of an ALL-IN. Protoss makes literally 50 stalkers and has no fourth until 10 min mark is the definition of an ALL-IN. At 10:33 Harstem, a fellow protoss player admits so, since he is a pro player and understands the game way better than you retards do. Yes the opener was bad but these 2 situations are not mutually exclusive.

[@stephenfischer1606]

IODIS is my favorite SC2 content and always learn so much. Thanks Harstem for the great content

[@manthe3711]

I miss StarCraft Today. :(

[@bos7522]

Lilbro, i dont even play SC2 and I dont miss a single iodis

[@EternalHappElements]

I didn't lose. I merely failed to win!

[@lelouchvibritannia7809]

Oversimplified!

[@Silversiren28]

When Chuck Norris loses a ladder match, he isn't pushing the opponent's MMR up. He's pulling his own MMR down.

[@JamesBeignet]

This sounds like our French President 🤷‍♂️. "Ce n est pas un échec, c est juste que ça n a pas marché"

[@MrMali22]

I learned so much from this one. It's about time. Don't worry I love the normal IODIS but it's nice to learn more about the mid game. These guys normally screw it up from the word go or it's someone who is really good where captain has to nitpick the small stuff cause that's all they have to work on.

[@def0rp]

"I hate to say it, but this early game was actually pretty amazing" you made my day, captain

[@humbertoblanco8656]

The tank lurker analogy was fantastic, I think I am a better player just by listening to you captain. (I am not)

[@dawislv]

Yew fantastic, but doesn't this also make lurker op as tank is less tanky and is harder to control - supper easy to mismanage and lose a tank composition.

[@genericnameinc]

​@@dawislvlurker are higher tech than tanks though. I hate them, but of course, they should be stronger. It's actually just ridiculous how efficient and strong low tech Terran units are.

[@Deto128]

Why are lurkers worth 1.5 tanks though? Tanks have higher DPS and higher range. Both have a sort of splash damage.

[@wanderhillen2435]

@@Deto128 Lurkers are invisible, faster, can siege up quicker with the appropriate upgrade, benefit from the same upgrades as their "buffer" units and arguably have the superior type of splash damage (line vs clump). Tanks also only have higher DPS against single units. Lurker DPS vs clumped up infantry is legit insane.

[@HellecticMojo]

@@Deto128 lurkers are way less vulnerable than tanks, invisible to naked eye, no min distance, no friendly splash, no friendly collision.

[@zhuraitsuki]

the whole "you don't want zerg to walk across the map and camp at your natural with viper+lurker" reminds me a bit of at least TvZ/ZvT related notes that I've read for BroodWar where you don't want zerg to walk across the map for free with defilers and camp your production with dark swarm

[@victorchen5663]

This was a very entertaining and educational video. I think it can be summarized into a single sentence: don't fight into lurkers.

[@pDrake01]

To be fair, Krill actually almost had it all figured out on how to deal with those lurkers. He took a gun (researched storm), but instead of pulling the trigger, he tried to use it to bash his opponent who's using a break-action shotgun mid-reload.😂😂😂😂

[@HellecticMojo]

storm sucks. it tickles marines to death, what makes you think it's going to do anything against a unit that survives disruptor shots?

[@hivetech4903]

@@HellecticMojo Pros use Storm all the time against Lurkers to soften them up. But I'm sure you know better than pros.

[@cavemantero]

@@hivetech4903 it doesn't work for the pros either...yeah it softens them up but then you have to micro disruptor shots or have enough immortals to clean it up. It is hardly a threat compared to fungal or parasitic bomb. Storm sucks against everything except marines.

[@hivetech4903]

@@cavemantero Comparing abilities from difference races is total nonsense and only something low league players do. Storm does work for pros - you admitted it & contradicted yourself ROFL: "yeah it softens them up". That's the whole point. Nothing kills Lurkers by itself, even Carriers need support units to not die from all the other stuff. Storm is used to devastating effect against Lings, Banes, Hydra, Vikings, and softens up many other units. You have no idea what you're talking about and know absolutely nothing about this game 🤡😂

[@Arkbennett]

@@cavemantero You are completely misjudging the purpose of storms against Lurkers. You are forcing your opponent into a position where they either must take 80 total damage (40% of Lurker Max HP) or unburrow and still lose a minimum of 12.5% their HP, plus they can't attack back anymore. It's a win-win for the Protoss and my man would've definitely won the last fight had he peppered a couple of storms and acted appropriately.

[@ozthebeeman]

13:08 I used to have a strat in league where I'd purposefully play bad early game I'd let him free push I'd lose some cs just to then kill my opponent at that point he'd be so tilted he'd continue to make bad decisions

[@Sorenzo]

Imagine if a Baseball player makes an extremely good hit and gets plenty of time for a home run, but nobody ever explained to him he was supposed to run around the field after hitting the ball, so the other team retrieves the ball while the guy is still arguing with his own team about how good his home run was.

[@Mystro84]

That 9 years to become a black belt in BJJ vs just taking a different route to school analogy is weirdly superb

[@bos7522]

I liked it when the hydra-ling all in'er accused the stalker-oracle all-in'er of all-in'ing.

[@HomicidalTh0r]

Two spider man's pointing at each other lol

[@eskurian8565]

I love how the first clump of stalkers was struggling against the hydras and then he thought "yeah, let's do that again!" For that stage of the game, what do people recommend? I'd say, if you want Hero style, mix in a fair amount of charge zealots to mince up the hydras.

[@kurzackd]

*14:10** -- "Colossus are bad against Lurkers."* -- Harstem, 2023. Well, now I've heard everything... :P .

[@nd7915]

This is so me. xD Like you do well on the details, but have huge blunders on the really important engagements. Also, I really felt the toss when the lurkers started to siege. You feel pressured and panic and then engage into that head over heels.

[@MKu64]

Harstem's comment about tanks is perfect... if there were even 12 tanks with support over the top.. would you walk your ground army right into it? Great analogy that people seem to sleep on the lurker then complain when they lose.

[@nd7915]

agreed@@MKu64

[@niquil7800]

Wow Love the honesty and the recognition of you that he actually played well

[@HomicidalTh0r]

I love that the player didn't lie in the document, for once.

[@ferjavm]

@@HomicidalTh0r true

[@jeffreywarf]

Can you imagine if krill got charge and did a chargelot warpin in the main while the stalkers hit the 3rd?

[@JamesBeignet]

I love watching these videos, I used to play SC2 a few times and never reach any significant level (like gold is the best I did). What I find good in IODIS is that there are so many ways to mess up and also ways to succeed lol. And Harstem s coaching which is nice

[@3v1lp1ngv1n]

Kind of reminds me of that meme of a guy doing a kickflip off the stairs with a rake. But this guy genuinely seems like a decent player, wish him the best.

[@Afraidofloveandpeace]

@23:50 Harstem, how tf do you come up with those amazing analogies all the time? Are you watching the replay ahead of the recording? Do you prepare 20 analogies in advance for everything that might happen? Or do they really just come up on the fly and you're just that amazing? :D

[@Pixelbuddha_]

This is the FIRST IODIS where the person sending it in ACTUALLY PLAYS GOOD; and there is just this one little thing where they are just completely wrong And it cant be fixed so easily. Just learn the 2 things you can do against lurkers, and youll be fine. This was a pure knowledge issue and tilting instead of thinking calmly. This person is going to get a lot of MMR in the next weeks

[@yaroslavcoloskov6357]

I'm probably projecting here, but I think this fella just has a fear of base trading unless forced into it. Pile up how he thought he was so far ahead that he can just take a strait up A move fight and still should be able to win it, and that's probably why he was so upset about it. I'd say it's a combo of knowledge and decision making issue, since he didn't scout much past early game. But yeah, if he takes Harstem advice, he gonna slap folks on ladder.

[@snoopstp4189]

as Harstem points out lurkers are actually pretty damn tuff, beating them with stalkers and a handful of archons is going to take a real pro... just because you see maxpax or hero do it doesn't mean you can or should even try to,

[@Ijatsu]

@@yaroslavcoloskov6357 This might have to do with protoss being the worst at rebuilding bases. And then you still can't deal with the enemy's army.

[@Ijatsu]

I get it frankly. Nothing really makes a lot of sense against lurkers. Takes 4 storm to kill one. 2 novas to kill one. Immortals are still a slow walking unit that do okay against lurkers and bad against hydra. Air units get owned by hydras and vipers. There's nothing that really has an innate advantage vs lurker, it's going to be more micro intensive on the protoss side no matter what.

[@impishlyit9780]

@@Ijatsu Air units don't really get owned by hydras, hydras are extremely squishy. As Harstem says here, get some carriers w/ upgrades, press a, and click behind the hydras. Even if the vipers pull in a carrier or two, the hydras get ripped to shreds.

[@bsedhs]

Props to the editor for the splitscreen when something else is hsppening!!!!

[@jordanleighton6893]

First one of these I’ve seen that seemed more like coaching than a roast. I think I like having both as options in the series

[@alimoorad5998]

lmao.. when you laugh while "you suck" is just amazing!

[@odnamsrazor2364]

@7:44 "This is starting to smell a little bit fishy." . really? Krill smells fishy? who knew?

[@colossaldonut5190]

The fact they took so long to transition into anything that counters Lurkers despite seeing nothing but Hydralisks the whole game really makes you wonder.

[@dfsdsfsdfsadfdsfa223]

Mass zealots could charge into 18 tanks

[@MKu64]

Not with any other support units around the tank they couldn't. A single EMP those tanks destroy the zealots. A few thor that holds the zealots up for 2 seconds.. they die.. a few libs over the tanks.. same story. Hellbats? Anything at all that allows a couple extra tank hits, 18 tanks will obliterate the Zealots. 18 tanks... is a lot of tanks 😂

[@moneygrab610]

Most of the problems were not understanding the position. The mechanics, army movement, and even macro was great. The tech was just never quick enough. Faster Colossi would have vaporized the Hydras; faster carriers would have nullified the Lurkers.

[@lite4998]

The moment I would have realized that the opponent is behind me on eco as a zerg and doesn't have overwhelming army advantage either I would just put down 2 more stargates and a 4th base and go mass carriers lol.

[@alfredomerino1254]

How hard would it have been to pivot into Carriers or Tempest after Krill brought the fight with the Stalkers the first time and realized the number of Lurkers?

[@Sev017]

Another classic case of submission having a big lead and never leveraging it and then dying in a bad fight

[@MaartenSeghers]

The scouting probe goes back, builds the 3rd and just derps in the mineral line doing nothing for the entire game!

[@DarkFoolJin]

OMG the football analogy in the end was the best :D

[@chinchillax1483]

I’m right at that mmr, and every other toss I play against would’ve had collosus way earlier, a fourth earlier, and teched to carriers faster. I get blasted by toss constantly at upper D2 mmr

[@afridge8608]

I think the big thing that makes people not respect lurkers is that they deal damage much slower. If a tank sees my army its immediately hitting me and im immediately turning away. If a lurker sees my army its gonna take a second and then damage a couple of units and then another second and will damage a few more. Its just deals damage much differently than regular units. Its more like a slow storm that isnt as visible so average and low level players have a hard time judging how much damage their army suffered until its waaayyy to late

[@MKu64]

I actually still to this day (current GM) think that the most overpowered things in the game when playing as Zerg, are (minor issue) battery/overcharge in the early game that makes early harass super difficult to do any damage... build timing and range for Ghost and range for Thor - both vs important or massive units like Ultra / Brood. But Serral and Raynor win a lot, so I'm out of luck 😂 If you look at how they defeat something like a mixed ghost army it will be with a trick - like hidden infestor that gets a neural emp, for example - which might work great or one mistake and it's over. It seems to always be a struggle. But they win, so it's considered acceptable. Keep in mind I do win these sometimes, but it always seems like a massive struggle and I MUST outplay the enemy significantly, when they have the 'right' composition AND I have the right comp.

[@ronnin2011]

You speak the truth fellow zerg. And you can't imagine how much more difficult is to deal with ghosts and thors in lower leagues... btw. Am I famous now or what? Poor krill will see me on his nightmares XD

[@Deipnosophist_the_Gastronomer]

You can't win against Big Jimmy by head-butting his garden wall.

[@r4in407]

Hello. Who are you?

[@falknfurter]

There is a saying in chess, but it seems to apply also in SC2: The person who makes the second to last error is the person who wins!

[@viktordoe1636]

I don't get it. You can make both the second to last error and some time later the last error and lose, without your opponent making any errors.

[@thefirstk6331]

@@viktordoe1636 Its just a saying not a good one thought because it does neither is right in chess nor in SC2 consistend if in chess for example both player have 2 rooks and 1 queen left and black makes the 2nd to last error losing the queen while white makes the last error blunder 1 rook he will still win if both sides play perfect what matters is the outcome/how big of an error you make not on what time of the game. The Protoss could had probably even still win after this horrible engagement with an basetrade and static defence he was up 30 worker, had more bases but just consistent run his army into the lurker and suicide.

[@falknfurter]

The meaning of the saying is: If the last decisive error is made by your opponent you win. In this case you made the second to last error (assuming that everybody, including yourself, made errors). It's irrelevant how many errors occurred before the second to last decisive error.

[@tungnse]

Wrong. 1. The person who didn't make good use of the advantages made from his small win over enemy errors to end the game. 2. And make the fatal errors in the ends lose. It is fair. Stop crying

[@Silversiren28]

I find a lot of humor in this. The Toss complained about Protoss being called the amove race, then lost because he blinked and amoved into a bunch of lurkers. Lurkers are the hard counter to an amove, and amovers need to respect it.

[@Argent7771]

While this was diamond I will say as a Gold Protoss at the lower leagues there's units that aren't necessarily imbalanced but do require more skill to beat than they do to use. Battle Cruisers and Widow mines along with carriers I think are the ultimate examples of this but Lurkers are as well. People at lower leagues are much less likely to have the ability to transition mid-game or multitask well enough to attack from different directions. In contrast battlecruisers as protoss requires some micro and in slower less optimal games doomstacks of bc or carriers are doable. Once again not nessecarily imba but jumping into a base with BCs is a lot easier than having to manage a bunch of zerg spellcasters to shut them down

[@nerdlord2288]

The trick is not to let them get into mass bc/carriers gotta just keep the pressure up to the point they try to make them by the time they get the first couple out they have already lost

[@Di3Leberwurst]

@22:50 I really thought he would go for a that could have been fixed by just buying a gun and shooting him.

[@lindalobstadefenda]

That rant at the end.. tell us how you really feel Captain. :)

[@ArturShvets-n2c]

I don’t think PtitDrogo is happy with this title.

[@Iseenoobpeoples]

Great episode hilarious and true.

[@cavemantero]

he's right about zerg being the easiest race...wait..no that's protoss. Protoss is easiest to win against, Zerg is the hardest. The numbers don't lie. Has nothing to do with his complaint though: Blinks entire army on top of lurkers I would love corsairs and reavers to be brought back though...they were the natural brood war counter to lurkers.

[@Berry_Bruiser]

So I know Harstem doesn't live in the US and his sentence does make sense, but from an American's perspective this sentence sounded really funny. "It's the same in football. If you out dribble all of your opponents but every time you get in front of the goal you pick up the ball with both of your hands and kick it full force into the head of the referee." So in my mind we had an American 'handegg' player trying to dribble an oval brown ball like a basketball player on a soccer (football) field. The soccer field came in at "pick up the ball with both hands" at which point it was really obvious he was clearly talking about soccer (football) the whole time. The amalgamation of gear and gameplay going on in my head made me laugh.

[@abyrvalg_]

In the rest of the world what you call football is called American football. Only you call football soccer.

[@HomicidalTh0r]

He said football, but then said dribble, and my brain immediately started picturing basket ball and filled everything in there. lol

[@larsjacobsen7818]

Laughed so much at the end. 😂 Oo

[@FritsStegmann]

The lurkers reminds me of a game between Dark and Scarlett.

[@andrewpeterson3302]

I'm low diamond 3. Even I know that when there are hydra, lurkers are coming next. Don't even really need to scout it. Just transition while holding him off of further bases. OR if your determined to make ground work... Drop 2 more robos and make distributors. With this many vipers, air is the only way to go. Unless your able keep his army chasing yours. If I can catch his army out of position, run right into his main, snipe his tech and layer, and recall home before taking too much of a loss. Then for the next 5 min he can't make additional lurkers and vipers.

[@lexistar8517]

"Both players messed up and somehow created a standard situation" just sums up diamond league to me.

[@Nightwalk444]

I'm surprised Harstem knows bodybuilders look great but aren't as strong as powerlifters.

[@reinux]

This looks exactly like almost all of my pvz games

[@myselfthethird3393]

this is probaly one of the best IIIODIS in a very long time. the player truly outplayed his opponent and mostly failed on knowledge/technicality that should had been known at the time. overall the plays were quite solid i found .

[@ronnin2011]

He never outplayed anything. The opener was bad and that's it. He couldn't do shit later, in both mid game and late game.

[@Lincotetracus]

Hm... The end screen shows "victory", and we see a comment AFTER the protoss quit... The zerg sent the replay, not the protoss, no?

[@hamster_designs]

No. Replays will ALWAYS say victory for whoever won. It does not matter who sent it. Same goes for oversvers (not the unit, but casters etc).

[@Avermra]

@@hamster_designs well, the replay caught the Zerg saying something after the Protoss left right? The Protoss's replay should not capture that, right?

[@Lincotetracus]

@@hamster_designs Aaaaaah, indeed... I've been watching IODIS for the last couple years, but for some reason today my brain decided to sound the alarm and be like "WAIT THAT'S NOT NORMAL, IT SHOULD SAY DEFEAT!". Welp. Thanks for the answer. :) I'm still curious about how we could see a comment afterwards. Maybe it was posted at the same time that the person left, confusing the software as to which happened first?

[@ledrash6079]

@@Lincotetracus Is it possible he paused the game to chat his BM before he left? I am not sure how that works :)

[@hamster_designs]

That could be actually be the reason.@@ledrash6079 It could be a pause thing!

[@МарсельМарсель-т9ч]

I love how this protoss talked about managing the runbys, while all he does is right-click the hatch😂

[@2639theboss]

How else do you suggest doing a run-by against a Z? Right click on the spore? And he did shift-queue into the hatch, otherwise the zealots would agro on the spines first. Killing hatches against Z is how you win the mid to late game. Not sure what you're doing instead, but the fact that you think he incorrectly managed the situation makes it pretty damn clear you haven't touched the game.

[@WhitePointerGaming]

@@2639theboss He really should have been trying to target the drones. Zergs can rebuild hatches pretty quickly and it's 350 minerals. It's a lot longer and a lot more expensive to replenish drones, not to mention that they are using their larvae for drones at a point in the game when they should be building army. I would also like to point out he lost a total of 30 zealots - 3000 minerals, to take out 2 hatches and a couple of spines, barely 1000 minerals worth of stuff.

[@2639theboss]

​​​@@WhitePointerGamingNot at that stage of the game when your opponent has 6 hatches and either a mineral bank or trouble spending. By killing hatches, your cutting off their income by about as much as you would killing drones, albeit temporarily, but youre destroying their production. Thats 1/3 of the Zs production gone. And it doesnt matter if you lose 10k minerals destroying hatches if youre up two bases. Its no different than bane busting a Ts fourth base if youre on five hatch. Disingenuous as hell to claim he lost 3k to 1k when theres literally a trade counter on screen btw. It was a positive trade, other things besides hatches were killed.

[@asdfqwerty14587]

@@WhitePointerGaming Killing a hatchery does a lot more damage than just the mineral cost of the hatchery, because it also prevents the opponent from mining that base until they build a new hatchery - replacing drones can be done almost instantly, replacing a hatchery takes longer, so it costs them all of the resources they would have mined in addition to the cost of the hatchery.

[@WhitePointerGaming]

@@asdfqwerty14587 If the zerg spends all their larvae on replacing drones, then that's larvae not spent on army. Larvae are a finite resource. If they just spent all their larvae on drones then you can go and kill them.

[@godmaxer]

Harstem comparisons are always good lmao

[@abyrvalg_]

So lurkers into safety Spyre. I get it.

[@omegavulture8379]

Welcome to the lurker zone.

[@calvinginn1637]

watching the hightemplars in that lurker-viper fight not use psionic storm hurt my eyes

[@snoopstp4189]

agree man, how you don't transition into immortal-carrier with that economy is a head scratcher. he didn't even get infestors out..

[@ValderAlexonyx]

Euh... Go Disruptor, maybe ?

[@plunderersparadise]

Yeah. When you have such a big economy and tempo advantage, just build air. What's the next tech after hydras if not lurkers...?

[@haldir108]

If you played this well in WoL, you'd be high master/low grandmaster. Krill should be proud.

[@mefikFS]

Getting angry at Protoss getting called A move race, meanwhile 3 observers fly with your army...

[@tegridyfarms6197]

selecting units to follow and not using f2 dosn't mean you did more than A-move...

[@ronnin2011]

@@tegridyfarms6197 I mean, he literally amoved archon-zealot-stalker into the lurker meatgrinder... LOL at toss trying to excuse their race..

[@daedalusdreamjournal5925]

just starting this video ... I have a feeling that guy is going to get trashed, see you at the end of the video :)

[@viktorgabriel2554]

Protoss Ego has been marred again

[@centopus]

No disruptor mention? :D This makes me sad... he had robotics bay for sooo long and only made observers.

[@Cheshire9k]

Now rewatching thanks to Krill 2 Electric Zergaloo

[@Iseenoobpeoples]

i just go 3 hatch before pool when my natural is denied :) it works fine.

[@muffinsmuffins8074]

Can’t wait for the next Krill IODIS

[@vinniechan]

I think part of thr problem is players forgot about scouting and map control as they go into thr mid game

[@Naetheras]

Lurkers cant shoot up. Get carriers and just pewpew when you're that far ahead xD

[@perniciousthought9173]

Damn, I missread the tilte and thought it would be Serral IODIS, still hype, but you know

[@technomusicaddicted]

I think this protoss has dismissed carriers and air units as a legitimate option because they hate being accused of playing an easy race and people like hating on carriers. They even write it in the report, that they disagree that protoss is easy. So over time, Carriers were devalued because they sont count it as a real, skilled win when they win with air. Thus no carriers..

[@mrchadlab]

I wonder what big Jimmy is up to

[@AntiDoctor-cx2jd]

I don't even know how many legs a lurker has

[@AdolfRothschild]

Pls blizz fix spider 8 legs to many🙏

[@hivetech4903]

I think its 5... one leg at the back which looks bizarre lol. Pretty sure those two massive things at the front are not legs but digger claw things... maybe.

[@rozmarinideas5340]

​@@hivetech4903It IS 5.

[@enriquegarciacota3914]

I am a puny silver zerg and this video made me want to make Lurkers every day forever.

[@ronnin2011]

don't allow toss players to fool u that lurkers are easy. You need positioning and u also need vipers which is a spellcaster. If u try lurkers against a base that is heavily defended with static defense or if u don't have vipers with you. you're probably dead...

[@JonEffinZoidberg]

I'm a newer player & only hit gold. But I never understand why people don't build air against lurkers... I understand they can make anti-air but it still negates their lurkers.

[@DiverDrive428]

I agree completely, in terms of fighting skills Habib is sure better than Arnold even though he's much smaller.

[@assault410]

In what world is arnold weak?

[@DistrictTerra]

I'm so confused how lurkers keep coming up in iodis when you're clearly bad for throwing zealot stalker archon at lurkers. Moving out is the worst mistake you can make because then zerg can threaten a key position and force you into making a really bad move to try and save it and it's exactly what happened. This is how I get the W vs toss that do the same vs me and what I avoid when I play toss.

[@MKu64]

Yea the tank analogy is perfect - you wouldn't just walk ground units straight into 12 tanks... so why do it with Lurkers.

[@DistrictTerra]

@@MKu64 I don't know but it happens way too often!

[@Blindsaplol]

I have to admit that it is very very sad to whitness such a good game being lost like that. Truth is that 1 fight with a max army vs another almost full army resulting in a 0% vs 90% ... its just GG. SC2 isnt only about macro and map control, It is also about fights and how to respond properly vs the agression. GG tho, you should have won, if you transitioned into something else , or had used your templars storms.

[@dawislv]

Well by definition you can always take decisions to win the game so is it even possible Cap will ever say it's imbalanced by his definition. In my mind having an easy to control unit combo that pushes enemy into situation where it is extremely easy to make mistakes that can turn the game around 180 degrees is pretty op. Point is that some unit combos require a counter which requires asimetric skills level to execute correctly. Of course in this case he had time to do air switch, but it's not always the case. Only Zerg can suddenly tech switch like it is no big deal.

[@jingxuanwang8674]

The problem is, StarCraft II is balanced for pro gamers, not for lower level players. And if you say something like that, I feel like Terran kind of just suck in Bronze (being the only race that can't a-move), and too good in Diamond (where people can't beat turtle).

[@kak_eto_slushat]

StarCraft 2 is RTS, where S is for Strategy. That means strategic thinking is still the most important part of the game. I agree making lurkers and a-moving them doesnt`t require much IQ, but throwing whole your army into opponent`s lurkers requires even less. Krill was good at mechanics but sucked at game understanding&thinking, not skill level (which happens to the best though)

[@benjaminchen8857]

You think lurkers are easy to control, but I would say that the mechanical execution of lurkers is easy, but I would argue that the strategical placement of lurkers is the most difficult part. Like tanks, it's hard to move position once set up. But it's not as good as tanks in small numbers. And having an expensive siege unit that you need to babysit complicates movement, attacks, and retreats. While I agree it's easy to control (not a spellcaster), I don't think it's strategically easy to use.

[@FanaticTemplar]

Terran is very strong in Bronze. Players at that level just cannot figure out how to overcome Planetary Fortresses. Battlecruisers and Thors A-move just fine. Terran doesn't become hard until way further up the ladder. @@jingxuanwang8674

[@hivetech4903]

This Protoss absolutely did not need air to win. It takes zero special skills to build Immortals out of the Robo he had for ages and research Charge from the Archives he had for ages. Its much harder trying to do what he was - fight Hydras with a Stalker addiction - than just play normally, so I'm not sure why you're trying to make it sound like it takes more skill to just play normal lol.

[@ds8867]

throw of the century

[@judicatorhurayth1927]

Lurker is like siege tank but has no range limit What can you do is simple. Air. Make your Armada above the sky because Protoss Air is indeed overpower when ground units werent enough

[@Alex-pq2fv]

harstem hasn't even finished reading the imba form and i can already tell your walls have fist-sized holds man chill out 💀

[@gsus3918]

Dude forgot that lurkers cant shoot up

[@amhm8664]

Thank you!!!

[@domacleod]

Ronin, do not flame your opponent if you are flamed. Instead, lean into it. instead of "You didn't deserve this game" "&#^@ ALLINER", it should be "You didn't deserve this game" "And yet I won". Stay calm, observe your opponent's mistakes when you win out of a fluke, see what your opponent should have done instead, then see how you could have countered that. You can improve whether by winning or losing, always. Krill? I mean mate you lost to a trash opening with trash execution, and you blame it on the one unit the enemy built, that you could have circumvented a ton of different ways? Even if he just spammed zerglings he would have won, you have no concept of counters. A continuous ling flood out of 8-16 hatch and a nidus worm popping out at various locations around your bases would have been sustainable economically and absolutely broken you, because for some reason you absolutely refuse to build air units, you refuse to use spellcasters beyond Blink and oracle's "turn it on and forget" attack. Holy hell you built so many templars and not one storm. Yes protoss is not just A-move, but you refuse to play it with anything but A-move. So why is that argument even there? Imagine a chef going up to gordon ramsey after making a shit omelet, gordon goes like "omelets are the simplest freaking thing to cook you donut" and the chef goes "actually they're really really intricate pieces of art" - yeah then why is yours shit? Makes no sense.

[@hbpromking04]

I would have base traded when he moved lurks out

[@RoseWaterTV]

Na server hits dif huh captain?

[@losttale1]

when zerg goes lurker, I win.

[@nachoboy3503]

Refreshing IODIS. Tired of seeing satirical/misleading ones. This was good!

[@MrRenatopepin]

Gateway man complains about Gateway units not beating everything. Thats a fair abstract