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[@rustybuckets]

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[@elijahruderman]

Jerry West should've won the 1970 MVP

[@infinitymixtapes9562]

I’m not even mad, that Finals MVP in 2006 is way more valuable

[@ninetiesbabyray5083]

People forget that whole season bruh. It was an underrated MVP campaign . He averaged 27 6 7 2 and had a top 5 record in the league and with Shaq missing a lot of time and he didn’t play that well when he was healthy. People like to say Kobe was snubbed in 06 but you can make a case for DWade as well.

[@caccac2412]

@@ninetiesbabyray5083 was this the steve nash mvp or the dirk mvp?

[@ninetiesbabyray5083]

CAC CAC Nash.

[@caccac2412]

@@ninetiesbabyray5083 agree with bro, dwade was having a lowkey year that season but I think the reason he wasn't in the mvp talk because shaq his teammate was also having an efficient statline where he could also be in the conversation but not really.

[@ninetiesbabyray5083]

CAC CAC Shawn Marion was better than Shaq in 06 and he played 81 games. If you don’t believe me look at the stats

[@Chaithoast]

Appreciate the almost daily content, learned so much from this channel, especially the goatmentary

[@QuinnClips247]

NBA FAN the goatmentary is the best

[@xnavmoney5_36]

Facts.

[@kenocartierr]

He’s the real goat

[@starwarsnewsandmemes8289]

Each of these are undeniable legends who were unlucky enough to play their entire careers being constantly over shadowed by at least 1 GOAT candidate: West and Baylor couldn't overcome Chamberlain and Russel when they're centers in an era where centers defined your team. Wings and guards no matter how good, have an almost impossible time winning MVP, unless you're doing a carry job for a finals team or have a breakout season with the championship winning Celtics Thomas and Drexler had MJ, Bird and Magic. Unless all 3 of them somehow have an off-year you're not getting the recognition. Wade and CP3 had King James overshadowing them their entire career, and for much of their career had guys like Duncan and Kobe. Hayes had Kareem, who has the most MVPs in history. Nature of the beast is GOAT candidates in their prime are almost impossible to take down, and even legends have a short window of 6-8 seasons max where they can win an MVP. Its not like an all-star showing or all-nba showing where so many win that everyone who 'deserves' one gets one. Only 34 players have won an MVP in league history, so its even more cut throat than top 50 all-time.

[@VVVY777]

TLDR Wade was never the best in terms of stats and team success during the regular season. Its not a feel good charity, it's about being the best.

[@crimson6952]

His stats in the 2006 playoffs were insane.

[@VVVY777]

Unlucky? Overshadowed? What a roundabout way to say they were never the best of their era and didnt deserve the MVPs. They. Werent. Good. Enough. Period. Even Malone and Barkley had better regular seasons than MJ. Huge stats and high seeding, making an impact.

[@VVVY777]

@@crimson6952 So? Regular Season MVP isn't called Playoffs MVP isn't it?

[@JonPawesome]

77 I think the terms unlucky and overshadowed were used because they had individual seasons that in certain circumstances, maybe a different year, or two more role players, they would’ve won MVP. Not saying you’re wrong, but the word choice wasn’t wrong either.

[@abuhassan8849]

The MVP is a narrative-driven award. Winning rings + FMVPs as 1st option is more valuable for someone's legacy.

[@pounce7053]

usually yes, but kawhi's 2014 fmvp as 1st option is not as good as say lebron's 2013 mvp year, curry's 2016 year etc

[@Gebbers]

I agree, although I've debated with guys and they always pull out MVPs, look how stacked the league is right now, there are great players who probably won't win an MVP, doesn't stop them from being great players!

[@minethotho5422]

FMvp and championship means more because you can be as great as you want (lets say best player on the 1st seed) if you don't perform in the playoffs you can't be considered a real winner and winners are the ones we remember in history

[@ycshittu5412]

Saying mvp is more narrative driven than FMVP is hogwash. Its easy to play well in a 7 game series than all series long. Regular season mvp is harder cos you need to be consistent over a long period

[@artix003]

its narrative but its limited to teams who has that top player and one of the best if not best win % that year with exception to hype-train players like westbrook who has done something impossible for years.

[@lakersyoungcoreareaveragep1639]

No way I'm picking D Wade over Lebron in 09. Lebron single handily won the Cavs 66 games (would've won like 30 without him) and almost beat the Celtics despite having off the court issues

[@kb4231]

That's not the same season. I agree LeBron deserved MVP but Wade would have loved LeBron's supporting cast in 2009.

[@elijahruderman]

@@kb4231 If they switched teams the Heat would have won about 50 games and the Cavs would have won about 60. Wade was great in that season, but LeBron's 2009 MVP season was a top 5 - 10 MVP season ever, and you could argue it was the best ever because no other MVP has ever won 65 plus games without another all NBA player. He also would've won DPOY that season if not for Dwight Howard. The Cavs roster in '09 was certainly more healthy, better and more consistent than Wade's Heat roster, and way better defensively, but I would say that Cavs team simply suited LeBron's game perfectly rather than being a great supporting cast, which it wasn't. Similar to Chris Paul on the '08 Hornets or David Robinson Spurs in the mid 90's.

[@smoove2432]

@@elijahruderman Dirk actually won 67 games without another all NBA player on his roster in 07

[@elijahruderman]

@@smoove2432 Oh shit your right. But his roster was definitely better than LeBron's, and LeBron's '09 MVP season was much better than Dirk's MVP in '07. Dirk's best season was actually in 2006 where he got robbed for MVP by Steve Nash. Kobe and LeBron also had good cases to win that year but I think Dirk had the best case bcz he won 60 games w/out another all nba player.

[@TheWokeSportsFan]

@@elijahruderman James Harden won 65 games in 2018 the year he won MVP without another allstar on his team. He also was a cp3 hamstring from beating the KD Warriors. Which wouldve been the greatest feat ever. It took a cp3 injury and a one sided reffed game to beat Harden.

[@Heart_ken01]

2:38 Oh so what I'm hearing is Chris Paul is winning this year's MVP?

[@vukanjocic319]

Simp

[@kennyallen6286]

Yea

[@unwashedhands2087]

Kinda sus

[@Jokeryz]

@@unwashedhands2087 what if they are a girl?

[@connorsmith7666]

U psychic?

[@jeanespinal2041]

Clyde dexler best season was Lebron career averages from a 17-year career. Wow....

[@kb4231]

🤦‍♂️

[@antoniobridges6209]

Completely different systems and play styles. Lebron has never had a season racking up steals like Clyde and Clyde actually played with an all star pg earlier on so he didn’t get to run the whole offense solely through himself.

[@crownzion]

Antonio Bridges I hope u aren’t tryna say he’s just as good as bron

[@kb4231]

@@crownzion I doubt he's trying to say that. However there is this constant need to remind everyone how great LeBron is.

[@thetalkinggreenbox8948]

K B I feel like people do that due to the facts that there’s also a constant need to hate and discredit LeBron

[@chanendlerbong]

Bro when you realize that Nash is 2x MVP, while D-Wade never won a MVP

[@VVVY777]

Or people are overrating Wade. Wade is more like Paul Piece.

[@woah4843]

77 Stop smoking crack

[@chanendlerbong]

@@VVVY777 buddy Wade is more superior than Paul Pierce

[@itsgl00my88]

@@VVVY777 lmaoooo

[@itsgl00my88]

Wade deserves one, but you can't tell me nash doesn't deserve one at least.

[@SonnyK248]

Kawhi is going to ghost the regular season from now on like he did in 2019. Not knocking it but it means he'll never win a regular season MVP.

[@kohsmoger1567]

One of these days he’ll decide he wants one

[@metetutek9261]

Hes right tho there is no reason for him to play against the Cavs, Suns, Knicks, Wizards, Warriors (currently) I mean why would he some college teams are better than these teams

[@SonnyK248]

@@metetutek9261 There is a reason. If you want to leave a legacy as the greatest of your era you make every game the NBA finals.

[@SonnyK248]

@@metetutek9261 But if he gets three finals MVP's on three different championship teams then I guess he'll be remembered forever.

[@itsgl00my88]

@@metetutek9261 Bro NO college team could beat a nba team. Come one bro. My sorry ass cavs would wax anyyyy college team.

[@JSowder21]

D Wade gets mad disrespect. He was recognized as a superstar but I don’t think people remember how good he truly was

[@clutchmoney33]

J Sowder ikr! Especially the 2006 finals run

[@VVVY777]

@@clutchmoney33 the Finals where the refs gifted him a million freethrows and a ring? Gotta respect that yeah.

[@THE_BEAR_JEW]

People who aren't on Wade's nuts will always remember the questionable 2006 Finals with all the foul calls and of course all the flopping him, Bron, and Bosh did during their time together. It was embarrassing to watch at times. You're that talented and you resort to blatant flopping? Cmon now. Then of course there's the fact that his prime was far too short, partly due to all the flopping he did. You land awkwardly like that for so many years and it's gonna take a toll on your knees. I completely disagree in that he gets "mad disrespect." He's gotten the amount of respect he deserves. He's pretty much universally seen as a top 5 SG, which is exactly what he is. He's clearly behind MJ and Kobe, and I'd put Drexler over him as well. Some may say he's better than Drexler, and that's fine. In the end, it doesn't matter, his peak position is #3 at best and most people have him right there.

[@-chession-155]

He is still known as the third best sg of all time tho

[@ozkan576]

@@VVVY777 people still mad about the refs "rigging" those Finals when the Mavs simply fouled Wade over and over again bcuz they had no answer for him.

[@ZydecoZeus]

Rustys got my vote for sexiest man alive (sorry)

[@Loris71734]

This is a vastly different sentence with the typo lol

[@olofacosta3192]

Pls edit this comment.

[@Emdee47317]

Sexiest*

[@meep7895]

even though you edited it i know what that typo was... dirty

CP3 about to win 4 straights MVPs

[@crimson6952]

Imagine where he would rank if that happened, top 3 PG all time if he won a ring imo.

[@jshonsmith3399]

@@crimson6952 he's top 5 PGs ever regardless

[@peoplehatealex3xten550]

@@jshonsmith3399 I believe d rose could be top 3 if not for injuries

[@ymann3886]

Since covid this has been my favorite channel, I just recently got into basketaball about a week ago and I have learned so much from you, thanks

[@Crlongboarder]

Welcome to the game man! What was your favourite sport before hand??

[@ymann3886]

Soccer (football outside of North America and Australia)

[@metalhammerm6903]

2:39 here King, you dropped this 👑 know your Damn worth, son

[@THE_BEAR_JEW]

Imo, Wade never really deserved an MVP. Yes, he was a great player, but as you already mentioned, his best seasons were in years where others were clearly more deserving. It's tough to give it to any guy due to great stats when their team record is average or bad. You've covered this issue before, usually if you're a superstar on a terrible team, your stats are going to be inflated because you're taking more shots, handling the ball more, etc. That's one of the reasons Kobe didn't get one when he was out there putting up crazy numbers as well.

[@huncho5005]

Kobe deserved it on 06 over Steve Nash. Just being honest

[@Herosennin]

That explanation wasnt as thorough tho. Stats will be inflated because of taking more shots but the chance of a lower effeciency gains with every shot taken especially when people double team you every possession like Kobe was actually triple teamed. IMO Kobe sure as hell deserved that MVP but Wade's case is different.

[@THE_BEAR_JEW]

Herosennin the more shots you take, the less each shot counts against or towards your efficiency. Thus, it is more likely that your efficiency will look decent if you’re a superstar player. Even a highly inefficient Westbrook can reach a respectable fg% if he takes enough shots. Also, Kobe wasn’t doubled or tripled all the time. It’s still the NBA and you can’t afford to leave people open. I think Kobe had an amazing season, but his stats aren’t impressive from an efficiency standpoint. As far as efficiency, it was good not great.

[@simple45679]

@@THE_BEAR_JEW People act like Kobe was triple teamed 24/7. like seriously

[@THE_BEAR_JEW]

@@simple45679 Exactly. Thats how you know they didn't actually watch. It's very rare for any guy to get doubled all game, let alone tripled. Even if Kobe got hot, he wasn't gonna hit 80% of his shots so it really is overkill to double all game. It's like these people think that a superstar can just hit 80% of his shots if you put only one guy on him. Even when a SG is hot, a great game is around 50%-55%, anything above that is incredibly rare even for Kobe.

[@Air3gg]

Damn you grinding out the high quality content . Make sure to take a celebration break once you hit 100k subs.👌

[@fox9769]

No love for my man Isiah Thomas? The original IT is a 2x NBA Champion as the best player and was averaging 20pts and 10 ast on a top team for years. He was just unfortunate to have been playing at the same time as Prime Bird and Prime Magic.

[@hennylo68]

Wade should have won defensive player of the year that same year in 2009. Averaged 2.2 steals and 1.3 blocks as an undersized shooting guard.

[@choosiheng5493]

Best shot blocking sg

[@makarzorklin8265]

Wade was a good help defender, but was never an on ball stopper. He did force turnovers, but gambled a lot and got caught out of position since he roamed off his man for steals and blocks. This lead to easy buckets for the other team. He was a good defender overall, but never DPOY material. People get caught up with high volume steals and blocks, but more often than not its a player just being overly aggressive and gambling too much. This can lower a teams overall defensive rating.

[@hennylo68]

@@makarzorklin8265 It's because he never played with a shot blocker except for that one year with Shaq. Kobe was constantly winning all defensive teams but always played with a strong presence in the middle.

[@danielclark6912]

High block and steal numbers dosen't equal great defender. Looks at Dennis Rodman. He almost never averaged high steal or block numbers but he grabbed a ton of defensive rebounds and was a great on ball defender. Then you have Ron winning the dpoty bc his matchups averaged 10 pts a game while he was regularly guarding the other teams best wing player.

[@hennylo68]

@@danielclark6912 Wade guarded the best player even when Lebron joined the team. It was Wade not Lebron that guarded Paul George, Carmelo and Kawai in those series. Not Lebron.

[@bryson212]

2:37 that's a pretty high chance rusty

[@alijade3521]

Patrick Ewing was overshadowed by Jordan as well..

[@ninetiesbabyray5083]

DWade’s 2005-06 season was an underrated MVP campaign . He averaged 27 6 7 2 and had a top 5 record in the league and with Shaq missing a lot of time and he didn’t play that well when he was healthy. People like to say Kobe was snubbed in 06 but you can make a case for DWade as well.

[@OK-yy6qz]

Not Really Nash Averaged 19 10 and 4 which yes Is Worse but Also Led the Suns to 54 Wins to a Tougher Western Conference with Stoudermire playing a total of 3 Games and Joe Johnson Leaving the Previous Season So he Lost his 2nd and 4th Best Players and Still won 54 Games

[@ninetiesbabyray5083]

who the Fuck is this the west was not good that year . The spurs and the mavs were the only complete teams. But Nash had more help still. Shawn Marion in 06 was better than Shaq and he had the perfect Mike Dantoni team still. But all in all I’m not saying DWade should’ve been the MVP I’m just saying I feel like it’s close enough to make a case for DWade

[@the757general2]

@@ninetiesbabyray5083 Shaq while declining was still All-NBA. Kobe and LeBron carried worst teams.

[@jordie7604]

Would love for you to make a video about who was the WORST MVP of all time

[@aidanargueta6042]

wes unseld

[@SinserNarmah537]

@@aidanargueta6042 YEEEEESSSS!!!!!!

[@chilldoc9638]

Bill Walton's

[@woketv781]

@@SinserNarmah537 dave cowens

[@jonathansykes4986]

Steve Nash / Derrick Rose.

[@GhostD0G8]

I’ve always said 2009 was the best I’ve even seen Wade Kobe and LeBron...MVP was a toss up that year IMO

[@younggggggg]

Don’t sleep on CP3 and D12 in that year too

[@jonathansykes4986]

Lebron won 66 games and led the league in the top 5 advance stats. Lebron should have been unanimous.

[@JoseGuzman-ne3pk]

Melo in 2013 has a case too

[@deino4753]

I feel like the only way you can truly argue that one player deserved an MVP is if you pick a season where they should've won the MVP, but instead it was given to another player. One could argue that Wade was an MVP caliber player, but doesn't deserve MVP because there isn't a specific season where he was more deserving than the player who actually won MVP.

[@benthebot4536]

Wilt averaged 50 points and over 20 rebounds and did not win mvp definitely the best season to not win mvp

[@beast4338]

I actually agree with you Chris Paul was so damm close to an mvp second in mvp voting in 2008 fourth in mvp voting in 2009 I think and also third in mvp voting in 2012 just how close can you be to an mvp I am not even talking about the video I am just talking about how close Chris Paul was to an mvp

[@wolfyboy717]

FUCKING YESSS FIINALLY SOMETHING GOOD TO COME OUT OF RONA MORE VIDS FROM BUCKETS

[@noliferetiree1354]

D Wade's team was in the lotto the previous season in which he didn't play due to injury. That means he got his team another 20+ wins with no other roster additions other than Michael Beasley. Yes, 66 wins is great, but those 43 wins are worth something as it's literally a lottery team with Wade. Also, Wade was and still is the only player in NBA history to record 2000 points, 500 assists, 100 blocks and 100 steals in a season during that season. For that, you gotta put him ahead of Chris Paul. The guy comes back from an injury, joins a lottery team, and gets them back into the playoffs while making history? And while playing both sides of the ball as a top 3 player on both ends? Yep. Above Chris Paul.

[@Professional_Dirtbag_Hippie]

This is why context is important when discussing accolades and achievements. Tons of players put up MVP caliber seasons, but for one reason or another they don’t have one. For some players they can often get overshadowed because they missed their opportunity. Outside of these players guys like Patrick Ewing, Dominique Wilkins, and Chris Webber are players that often get overshadowed and winning MVP would help correct that

[@MegaKhalid121]

It's great to see guys like Rusty give CP3 respect

[@bosslax3162]

1. CP(Deserved one in 2008) 2. West(Deserved one in 1969) 3. Baylor(Deserved one in 1963) 4. Wade(Didn't deserve any) 5. Drexler(Didn't deserve any) 6. Thomas(Never even should be mentioned as an MVP) CP, West, and Baylor all deserved one MVP in their careers, while I don't think Wade or Drexler ever did. In fact, I don't think Drexler ever should've gotten close except 1988.

[@isaaclo1825]

Do a 10 players You want to see on different teams and which teams you want them to go to Try not to go full Funky but really I don’t care

[@elijahruderman]

Yo when he said sexiest man alive I was laughed so hard that I spilled a whole damn lemonade.

[@elijahruderman]

Shouldn’t Charles Barkley be here?

[@BasketballHighway19]

@@elijahruderman you probably realized by now but just in case, he won it in 93

[@chilldoc9638]

@@BasketballHighway19 Jordan shoulda won it but, voters fatigue

[@BasketballHighway19]

@@chilldoc9638 a lot of mvp's have been off, thats just a part of history

[@brotherbrod]

bro cp3 is better than jerry west ever was lmao. idk maybe i’m just a hater of players that played back then. like i don’t even have russle in my top 10. idk maybe i’m just stupid.

[@rustybuckets]

you definitely need to do more research

[@braulioperez6558]

7:56 unless you are Steve Nash

[@nathangames9532]

You should do this but to players who never won a ring

[@justanothercarol]

I think another thing to keep in mind was the season before, in 08 the Heat had a league worst 15 wins, and in turn the biggest turnaround in NBA history (at the time) by winning 28 more games in 09, so the 43 wins look much more impressive. If the Heat won at least 50 games I think Wade would've been deserving.. but even Chris Paul's Hornets had a much better supporting cast so it's tougher to compare their numbers

[@jayjefferson7863]

I'm glad rusty buckets that you had recognized Isiah Thomas he was very underrated and most underappreciated superstar in the history of the league!!

[@apurvasharma6915]

Considering the 2020-21 season Chris Paul and the Suns had, I guess Rusty does have a very good chance of winning sexiest man alive 👍🏼

[@edwardtimothy3581]

Ive ever looking for nba player stats one day. And when i see wade, thats mind blowing. Why he not won mvp. But i disagree when u say nash didnt deserve his MVP. He is the system. Even after stoudemire get injured, his team still collecting so much win

[@brxndxnr5377]

Lets see a Best defensive players who havent won DPOY

[@beaujohnson8216]

Tim Duncan absolutely ridiculous he never won it

[@simple45679]

Duncan Pippen Ewing

[@joaquin.diazzzz]

Love your vids rusty

[@str8r3al]

Dwade also had 100 blocks that season

[@Mektek19]

It sucks Bron used up all the rest of Wade's prime and then left him. People don't even give wade his proper credit for those two other chips. I really think Wade would have had a perfect chance to win in 2011 if he just got Bosh and not Bron.

[@itsgl00my88]

You're wrong. Wade doesn't win again without bron. They needed eachother. Bron fucked up in 2011, but there's no way the an injury prone wade from 2012 ish and on would've won another without bron. Bron didn't use up wade's prime. He joined his Best friend. It so happened that his legs were falling off. Shit happens. You can't hold it against lebron for wanting to go home.

[@drizzmontana]

2006 was Wade's year, don't @ me it's facts. 😤

[@BasketballHighway19]

Nah that was lebron's year

[@projectc.j.j3310]

Good list

[@jerryallover4193]

If DWade was signed to Nike he would not of been so disregarded. He came into the league like a savage and left like a legend. DWade never played for stats and the one season he did he averaged 30

[@will_p_tv2434]

I’ve been watching for a while and have been subbed for a min. I stopped watching a month ago and this is my first vid back and you should without doubt be at 100k

[@57wookie]

I do think Jerry deserved the 69 mvp more than wes unseld, but I think Willis Reed is the guy who really got robbed that year

[@deepakrajaudhayakumar8014]

Rusty- Dwayne wade should not have won MVP Thumbnail- Dwayne wade should have won MVP

[@rustybuckets]

that would be why theres a question mark lol

[@deepakrajaudhayakumar8014]

@@rustybuckets o my bad i didnt see it

[@Qui8tstorm1983]

Flash never gets the credit he deserves.

[@simple45679]

Can't give him credit or else they can't say Jordan had better teammates than Lebron.

[@picafavo3466]

Long Intro Buckets

[@icantfindmyphone]

Subscribed because the world is on fire

[@kingsleyjackson8287]

What about Ewing/Reggie/j-Kidd(2003)T-Mac

[@desmondray9823]

What happened to Deron Williams should be your next video

[@iamani9385]

this guy looks like Alex Caruso with more hair

[@tiktokexposed898]

Talk about Players who should have won Unanimous MVP but didn't, because I can think of *Atleast* 3 players who shouldve had it before Curry

[@bbqblazekyleg7551]

Lebron Shaq Jordan. Most recent ones to me

[@simple45679]

@@bbqblazekyleg7551 Kareem probably had one of those seasons too, but can't be too sure

[@VVVY777]

Unanimous is overrated. Doesn't matter.

[@theknickfan881]

Alex Caruso?

[@3elawi]

Chris paul’s chances to be MVP must be really high then

[@ananthanaarayansathyanaray4348]

nobody gonna mention that sweet bottle of coke?

[@ace2nice]

He should've been top 3 in 2006 imo. If people have doubts about dwades talent id suggest go watch the clinic, u wont regret it

[@alex9046]

CP3 did a number on yall huh lmao

[@michaelschimek4345]

I said in the Nash vid dwade should have one in 09😂

[@kohsmoger1567]

Lebron was clearly better

[@itsgl00my88]

Nah bron was better on a slightly better team

[@itsgl00my88]

Roster wise that is

[@pedrosernagiotto2577]

"Trying to get to 100k by the end of the year" you're already practically there.

[@meep7895]

i like this channel

[@0DIE__]

pt2 plz

[@connorogrady7297]

I would say Patrick Ewing maybe, he consistently finished top 5 for his prime

[@MaestorRasanen]

Patrick Ewing, Dominique Wilkins and maybe George Gervin? Just to debate should one of these be in that list?

[@rexruther4864]

George her in deserved one definitely he was way better

[@urbanking6504]

Cp about to win finals MVP does that count?

[@nightdonutstudio]

What rank the no.1 pick.

[@AAL.]

dwade was definitely the best player in 09. top 3 in mvp and top 3 dpoy

[@pjwashington9599]

LeBron Kobe Dwight

[@nono-sr3tl]

i felt us spiritually connect when you said dwayne wade is the best player to never win MVP

[@raghurampurohit5251]

I won't be surprised if Kawhi doesn't win a regular season MVP in his career, while his advanced numbers are legendary, his regular stats don't really say give me the MVP (at least compared to other players). On top of that he's playing for a loaded team and most importantly he doesn't give a fuck about regular season due to the fact that his injury is actually something that he cannot recover from completely and doing too much in the regular season would actually shorten his career.

[@johnbest4513]

Who is the worst player to win MVP?

[@alexanderjackson8389]

Probably lebron

[@kevinjohnson4498]

West had 4 2nd place MVP finishes. The other 4 guys combined for 3. Plus West ranks higher than everyone else on most all time rankings. Dont see how he isn't #1 on this list. Also dont see how Clyde isn't 5th or off the board entirely if you include Thomas. 1. West 2. Wade 3. Thomas 4. CP3 5. Baylor

[@jonathansykes4986]

2007-08, Kobe won MVP but Chris Paul should have won. Chris Paul 2nd in VORP 9.3, Kobe 3rd with 6.3 Chris Paul 2nd in Box +/- 10.4, Kobe 7th with 5.8 Chris Paul 1st in WS/48 0.284, Kobe 8th with 0.208 Chris Paul 1st in WS 17.8, Kobe 4th with 13.8 Chris Paul 2nd in PER 28.3, Kobe 8th with 24.2 The only guy ahead of Chris Paul in VoRP, Box, PER? Lebron and not by that much. The only stat Kobe was ahead of Chris Paul that year? Usage %. Kobe 3rd, Chris Paul 29th. Lebron 1st. Why did Kobe win? Media nuthugging. Lakers had 57 wins to the then Hornets 56 wins and Cavs 45 wins. Kobe should have ended his career with 0 MVPs.

[@dpistons149]

Unless someone goes off or averages a triple double like Westbrook did the mvp was always best player on the best team. That’s why guys like Derrick Rose and Charles Barkley won mvps over lebron and Jordan. They had great seasons but also led their teams to the best records.

[@greekyoungbuck]

Well I think rose deserve it as of Barkley not sure

[@VVVY777]

That's why Westboob's MVP is fake ass garbage. OKC participated in stat padding. It's a stain on the MVPs of history. 6th seed MVP... its such a shame.

[@itsgl00my88]

@@VVVY777 smgdh. No tf it's not. There's a reason he won it that year and hasn't since. It was a historical feat, and he was carrying his team to the playoffs after losing a top 3 player. You can't just ignore a guy carrying his team in the west, who also averages a trip dub for the first time since big O. That mvp was fine by me. He wins one and only one.

[@angelob2375]

2:39 I highly disagree king, you dropped your crown please pick it up

[@jonathansykes4986]

Tracy McGrady should have won in 2002-03. He led the league in PER, WS/48, VoRP, and Box +/-. He was only slightly behind Tim Duncan in overall WS. He crushed Offensive win shares. He was first with 13.2. Second was Kobe with 11.0. The 2.2 difference between 1 and 2 is the same as #2 to #8

[@michaelfraser2119]

Disagree. Duncan at that point in time was one of the league's best defenders finishing 4th in DPOY voting (although it could be argued he should have been higher) while T-Mac didn't make an All-Defensive Team. Also, Duncan had a higher PER w/ 29.9 while T-Mac had 28.8. T-Mac was great that year, but imo he deserved 3rd after Duncan and KG.

[@jonathansykes4986]

@@michaelfraser2119 Tracy McGrady led the league in those 4 stats and was only slightly behind Duncan at #2 for overall Win Shares. It's absurd Tracy McGrady finished FOURTH that year, let alone not win it. Very few (which i can't think off the top of my head) has led the league in those 5 stats and NOT win MVP.

[@the757general2]

@@jonathansykes4986 T-Mac's team barely made the playoffs in a hilariously bad Eastern conference. MVP is heavily based on team success. No one is winning MVP on a 42 win team (especially in a weak conference) unless they put up historic numbers. Duncan carried his team to 60 wins in a brutal West and was even better in the postseason.

[@jonathansykes4986]

@@the757general2 Nikola Jokic won MVP as his team was the 6th seed. Russell Westbrook won MVP when his team was the 6th seed, even though James Harden had a legitimate case for that MVP title as his stats were roughly near Westbrook's and his team won 8 more games that season. Nikola Jokic team was 48-34. Westbrook's team was 47-35. Both of their team's lost in the first round, just like McGrady's Magic did. In 2002-03 on that "42-40" orlando magic team, Tracy McGrady led the entire league in PER VoRP Box +/- Offensive box +/- Offensive win shares Win Shares per 48 minutes And was tied for 2nd in total overall winshares (Duncan #1 at 16.5, Dirk/McGrady tied at 16.1). McGrady also lead the league in Points per game average 32.1 points (2.1 points per game more than Kobe who was #2). His stat line was 32/6.5/5.5. If that vote was held today, McGrady would have won MVP instead of finishing 4th. Also if you go "lol advanced stats, nerd, who cares", the last person to win MVP who did not lead the league in the PER stat was Steph Curry in 2014-15 (where he came in 3rd). Leading the league in PER, WS/48, VoRP means you performed the best which means you should get the MVP. Edit: Also, MVP is a regular season award. Postseason doesn't mean a thing when it comes to voting for MVP.

[@jaysonwithay2347]

This video is gonna have to be redone when Kawhi retires and you can show his amazing stats leading the 67 win spurs, any other year he would have won an MVP but Steph played on another tier above him

[@ehjaybee85]

Clyde Drexler: Michael Jordan. Easy

[@pjwashington9599]

Flight > MJ, LeBron, Stephen Curry, Shaq, and Kobe......COMBINED!

[@FirstnameLastname-ex7vi]

Dang Chris Paul about to win MVP I guess

[@qfo7003]

thought u was saying that clyde drexler was better than elgin baylor for a second

[@1coven]

So CP3 has some pretty damn good chances to win MVP before his career is over *wink wink*

[@unmvstered]

FINALLY SOMEONE AGREES

[@credewernke2342]

My top players ever that never won an mvp 1. Isiah Thomas 2. Jerry West 3. John Havlicek 4. Elgin Baylor 5. Dwade

[@jamespuso1627]

IMO, John Stockton and Jason Kidd were deserving too and Kidd was pretty close.

[@morallies]

FYI "more" and "most" are not synonyms.

[@Jasonwilliams21]

like your list. i do find it funny that they natural narrative is that curry and kd couldnt be considered for mvp cause they were on the same team and that narrative hit before they played a second together all the way until the time kd went to brookyln. i find it funny becuase that standard isnt consistent in nba circles. anthony davis and lebron are both considered top 5 players in the league yet no one went into this season saying neither should be considered mvp becuse they play on the same team. harden and westrbook are considered top 5 top 10 by most people yet no one said going into the seaon neither should be considered mvp becuase they play on the same team. you could say the same with kawhi and paul george. even going back no one in the media said none of the heat could win mvp preseason or even lebron kyrie k love in cleveland preseason were excluded from the mvp award becuse they had too good of teammates. for me it shouldnt matter who is on your team for you to be the mvp. this year based off of watching games i had anthony davis as the mvp and i would say i legit watched 80% of lakers games this season. yet the media had the mvp down to giannis lebron and harden. its crazy.

[@kostastube2010]

Where is John Stockton????? Just trolling.

[@godofeverything4625]

Honestly I hate to say but in 2008 Chris Paul deserved mvp because he had pretty much almost better everything than Kobe that year

[@andrewarnold9751]

Kobe’s MVP that year was, in many ways, a “career achievement” award. I think you can make much stronger cases for Paul, LBJ, and Dwight Howard that season. I agree it likely should have gone to Paul.

[@ptownsmash]

sexiest man alive? probably not, but sexiest NBA youtuber?? theres a chance

[@inmyownworldfr]

Old intros 💀

[@jonjuko8859]

People always say Kobe for 06 but if you look at the criteria for the usual MVP, LeBron should have won it

[@justtimes9257]

also isiah thomas of the pistons

[@jonathansykes4986]

Wins = MVP is an L take from you. Tracy McGrady should have won in 2003 with the 42-40 Orlando Magic. Westbrook won in 2017 with a 47-35 record. Jokic won in 2022 with a 48-34 record. Lebron won in 2008-09, not because of the Cavaliers 66 wins (which, does help), Lebron led the league in PER, WS/48, WS, VORP and Box +/-. However, I would have voted Chris Paul #2 that year and Dwyane Wade #3. The fact that Kobe got 2nd in MVP voting shows how much the voters relied on team records back then and how much they were hanging on his nuts. Not only should Kobe not finished 2nd, he was a distant 4th that year.

[@Kalinbuggs]

no zeke???

[@basadake]

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