The BEST Racing Simulator of 2021 | Assetto Corsa Competizione vs rFactor 2 vs Automobilista 2

To usher in the new year, we're directly comparing the sim racing GT3 content of ACC to rF 2 to AMS 2. These are arguably the leading GT sims, with the most potential heading into the new era. How do they compare, and which is the current overall king of GT sims in 2021?
0:00 Intro
2:55 ACC Laps
8:04 ACC Setup
9:39 rFactor 2 Laps
13:52 rFactor 2 Setup
16:27 Automobilista 2 Laps
22:49 Automobilista 2 Setup
24:59 Comparison
25:33 Graphics
29:55 Sounds
32:19 Physics
38:44 Force-Feedback
41:26 Accessibility & Content
44:14 AI
48:13 Multiplayer
50:14 Conclusion
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[@Ermz]

Before the inevitable questions come up, here is why iRacing, Raceroom & Assetto Corsa weren't mentioned: 1) I refuse to legitimize iRacing's toxic monetization model. 2) Raceroom lacks too many necessary features by current gen standards to be considered a complete simulator. 3) While Assetto Corsa is an awesome open simulator with a ton of content, the physics engine lags behind ACC substantially. 4) We all know that Project CARS 3 is the most hardcore simulator of all time.

[@lucasart328]

based

[@debozebever]

Can you go more into detail why Raceroom is lacking standards? (i fully disagree with you, although i dont play it!)

[@qsr6838]

@@debozebever try play it it's free I've downloaded it and it's lacking standard

[@karlsmith8113]

@@debozebever Its a great sim it really is, has tons to offer. However it is still based on DX9 (I believe) so it does feel a little dated, also no day/night cycle and dynamic weather with a few other things such as longer endurance races and driver swaps etc. They've recently updated the way the ranking works and also some elements of races such as penalties for false starts and a manual end lap once the race has finished. Still, i would always recommend it for anyone who's looking to enter sim racing for the first time on PC

[@Dcully]

Ermin i have to disagree about raceroom , its clear to me you havent tried it a very long time.

[@DrR1pper]

rFactor 2 FFB just feels like you're really driving in the seat of the car. You feel connected in a way that words don't suffice but that you'd understand within seconds of trying it.

[@javiermoreno3101]

I feel the same. Not with all cars. But when you find a good combo it’s a pleasure

[@dennisparker505]

Indy cars feel amazing in that game 😊

[@alouisschafer7212]

Honorable Mention: Assetto Corsa Lets you do everything, basically free these days, runs on a toaster, more mods than I could ever fit on my SSD and I have not yet found a Sim that is so good at simulating vintage race cars especially from the turbo era. The Lotus 98T in AC or Porsche 917/30 are good examples.

[@jean-marctrappier4436]

Yep, i think we almost either tried once AC and loved it or even started with AC. Clearly a simulation that deserves respect.

[@humandroid53]

Honorable mention. Project Cars 1. At least on the Xbox. It's the only choice as ACC struggles.

[@raffitorres1714]

Just switched from mainly f1 and Dirt 2.0 on console to Assetto Corsa and vr on pc. Really difficult transition but when you get a lap right it feels incredible. The force feedback even on a g29 is amazing.

[@VitorMach]

Still my go to sim to just drive around street cars and enjoy the act of driving itself.

[@pancake5830]

@@raffitorres1714 try rf2 and beamng!

[@amsterdan9096]

Frankly it's just sort of laughable that you'd refuse to rate Raceroom on the grounds of it lacking too many modern features, then turn around and tout rFactor 2 - which hasn't even been able to properly handle yellow flags for years on end now - as a top sim.

[@LithFox]

That also was a big red flag. not gonna lie, like, yeah, i get that iRacing is outside of people's price range, but between rFactor 2 being more "modern" and the fact that he pointed out that you rent from iRacing (all games are rentals and any game with a centralized online service you can lose access to at anytime!) so.. idk. Just all seemed like BS. I like all the sims personally. But.. this is just some dick stroking on part, imo.

[@Atze7811]

Maybe flags and physics had different priorities

[@amsterdan9096]

@@Atze7811 He didn't say a single thing about the physics though, so what are you even talking about?

[@BottomSplitPodium]

Not to mention including ACC even though ACC's server filters still don't exist and their online matchmaking is worse than Half Life Deathmatch from 1998. How can anyone say RaceRoom lacks modern features but call ACC one of the best sims of 2021? If you need to join a Discord server to race, the sim has crappy online features, period. Vanilla AC has better races than ACC.

[@velokoraptus]

Also worth mentioning about the state of art in the simracing world: downshifting in rF2 with gt3 cars. Max speed, from 6 to... R :) in 1 second. And everyone is just ignoring this "feature" ;)

[@sotirisport3483]

I totally agree the ACC is the best overall gt3 package.. needs fix The oversteering because the rear (when you lose it) never stops sliding even if you don't have a lot off speed What i mean is to be able to correct it with the gear and brake in time...😉

[@teabagmcpick889]

Nice video. I spent a load of cash on sim racing to have fun, not to kid myself that I'm a racing driver. The most fun to drive is always rF2. Maxed out in vr it looks great, & runs sweet. AC is pretty good, AMS2 is pretty but not good & ACC is as dull as dishwater.

[@camerone397]

I agree with you, I actually like AMS2 quite a bit (found a custom FFB file which helped immensely) but I never really got the hype for ACC, I guess it just wasn't my thing (VR performance problems notwithstanding)

[@kaneda1674]

​@@camerone397 Yeah, I loved ACC on my flat screen, but once I got VR I couldn't bare how bad it ran compared to AMS2. What's this custom FFB file you're talking about? Mind sending a link?

[@tt350zJason]

For AMS2, try turning up the rear differential preload to around 300. I was getting so frustrated with the Porsche GT3 rear wanting to over rotate on corner entry and the AMG spinning out on corner exit. Increasing the rear differential preload and small tweaking in the power ramp made HUGE differences for me. I went from giving up on the game to really enjoying it. Hope this possibly helps and AWESOME video!

[@Kurosaka]

Hi so im playing rfactor and trying to understand diffs...what is preload,power, and coast?

[@tt350zJason]

@@Kurosaka I'm by no means an expert but I'll tell u what I know. The preload is the biggie. When cornering it effects power goes to the rear wheels. In games like RF2 and ACC u turn it down to aid with keeping the rear from coming around in braking and acceleration. In AMS2 you turn it up to keep the rear from coming around or oversteering. When u turn it down in ACC and RF2 it controls how much power goes to the outside wheel. If the outside rear gets too much power, it lowers the power to the outside wheel and keeps the car from oversteering. In AMS2 u turn it up to do this. Playing with this has really helped.

[@tt350zJason]

@@Kurosaka ...lastly, the power diff has the same effect but just when u r on the throttle. I'd start with the preload and fine tune with the power and coast. The coast is when u r not on the throttle.

[@potvinsuks8730]

@@tt350zJason If AMS2 is anything like pCARS 2 is, then the Preload will also help dial in your Coast. I agree that these (Diff Settings) settings along with Power are one of the single most important settings in tuning.

[@kingcars]

So many issues here... I love how iRacing's monetization is considered toxic when rFactor 2's content is not only similarly expensive, but also useless for anyone who wants to race online regularly. I will happily pay for iRacing's content which I can hop on any time during the day and race against similarly skilled people than shell out similar money for rFactor 2 content which I'm stuck using against AI or hoping for some random server being up with the content I want to use. I do love the progress s397 has made with the game and I enjoy rF2 for what it is, but to act like one is great and the other is the root of all evil is rather ridiculous. Even Automobilista 2 costs a whopping $125 if you want all of its content. On top of that, iRacing is much more of a service akin to an MMO than it is to an average racing game. That is why there's a subscription fee; iRacing has a huge online system with official servers, rotations, etc across the world. Trying to compare this to something like rF2 in which they literally just a few weeks ago started having "official" races in a single series (after how many years?) is laughable. Maybe when even a single other sim can set up an online system that can compete with iRacing, then we can have a discussion about whether the monetization is "toxic" or not. Until then, it seems fairly obvious that there's a reason iRacing has been the gold standard for online racing for the past several years; regardless of what anyone thinks of the physics or graphics or whatever, that point seems fairly widely agreed upon, even amongst its detractors. The fact that Assetto Corsa is snubbed is also quite hilarious, considering it provides a platform for so much amazing content which is simply unavailable anywhere else. I've probably spent more time revisiting Assetto Corsa with its top notch mod content than I have with any other game over the last few months. It has been an absolute blast and is easily my go-to sim for leisure offline driving. I don't have much experience with Race Room, but it seems like people have qualms with it being excluded as well. Excluding Race Room for "lacking modern features" while loving all over rF2, which barely has official online play and is struggling to cobble together a usable user interface, is pretty mind blowing. The moral of this story? If you're going to title a video "The BEST Racing Simulator of 2021," you can't ignore half the field and expect people to be fine with it. If you want to instead say "My favorite racing simulator of 2021," then that would be much more reflective of the content.

[@ACFUN34]

Iracing content is on another lvl :) Rf2 content feels unfinished tbh .

[@def2412]

rF2 is the best GTE sim atm in the same manner as ACC is the best GT3 sim. Competition races will fill the multiplayer side, in the end it only comes down to what you wanna race in. The endurance content they've released recently is top notch. If GTE and LMP2 are your go to's, I recommend rF2; GT3, ACC, for the rest, iracing

[@odessa69max]

It's the "least knowledgeable channel" that's why :)

[@def2412]

@@odessa69max while i agree he tends to overpraise rF2, this video is objectively good and accurate.

[@odessa69max]

@@def2412 That was a sarcasm from my side. That's why I used quotes. :). I liked the video though.

[@KevinDeM10]

While I appreciate the video I fail to see this never ending desire for content creators to compare and inform which is best. They are all good and each having something brilliant to offer. I have iRacing, AMS2, Raceroom, rFactor2, AC, ACC, and find on any given week for no particular reason I am focused on one or two. "How do they compare, and which is king" is something that can only be answered on an individual basis and how we choose to play (multiplayer, single, long/short races, tracks, hotlapping, etc.). For example, I have iRacing for the Nascar AI racing, I like ACC for GT4 and wet, AC/AMS2/Raceroom for something unique, love rFactor 2 for GTE..........if I'm wanting to run VR it's AMS2 or AC. There is no King.

[@tiagho14]

Well, think about it like this. We want the best feeling out of sims and one and only does it, so, just for some justified reasons like other cars and stuff do we really change from sim to sim. At least that's my reasoning. For me right now I love Rfactor 2 feeling and it's weird to jump back and forth between sims to be honest and it's probably down to FFB, but not only that.

[@KevinDeM10]

@@tiagho14 I think you are making my point. That we are each different where as you find one and only one sim provides best feeling I get equal enjoyment and feeling from many sims.

[@tiagho14]

@@KevinDeM10 Yes, just explaining why some of us are more biased towards a specific simulation and prefer to drive almost exclusively on that plataform.

[@isuckatthisgame]

ac is the king; you can drive just about anything for absolutely no money

[@isuckatthisgame]

@SayreHarder yeah, it's good debating. it gives us a constellation of lights to look back on and understand the weaknesses of each title

[@bendonkin9449]

It has got to be ACC. Real GT3 drivers have given it a lot of praise. Regarding RF2, since i decided to just ignore the shitty setup hacks and the insane esports lap times and instead practice with the GTE and LMP2 cars, using nice stable setups with more rear wing than I’d originally use, i have enjoyed it IMMENSELY. The DLC tracks are great, driving is fun again. My lap-times are not amazing, but i’m using driving techniques and inputs that, to me, mimic the ones used in real life to go faster: smooth trail braking, not overdriving, smooth lines, not sliding about. It’s not the fastest way to drive in RF2, but it does feel GREAT.

[@tiagho14]

That's what I mean. What if Rfactor 2 is not realistic on some ranges when it is so enjoyable and close where it really matters? Saying that, I want them to make it as good as possible and those flaws to be out of the sim. I honestly wouldn't mind if all the great developers worked together at just one sim and each one focused on the content they want. Honestly it could be so good and profits would probably be better than this competitive market people think so highly of..

[@bendonkin9449]

@@tiagho14 Kunos were spot on when they decided to focus on one type of car.

[@tiagho14]

@@bendonkin9449 It certainly helps, but I really like sims that allow me to jump from car to car that are very different from each other. I honestly think physics isn't the end all be all to many people, even if they think they are. Actually, only some parts of them are really more important to be honest. FFB is probably more important. Majority of sim racers, probably even serious ones, couldn't really tell if what they are driving is really realistic at a certain point. Rfactor 2 for me is probably a mix of FFB and good physics where it counts, although it disappoints me knowing the flaws. I think there's a lot of value on many other sims, but I just tend to gravitate to one at a time, even if Gt3 is better simulated on ACC I still prefer driving them on Rfactor2, at least for the time being. I know how much I change my mind on these matters.

[@tiagho14]

Oh, and where hacks really matter is at online and competitive fronts. Just that alone is enough for them to fix those physics flaws, if anything.

[@Dcully]

No Raceroom mention yet again Ermin, you continue to ignore it yet its equally as good if not better than the others in places. I ask you why? Great and deep video nonetheless, i always enjoy your content.

[@TheTriggerfinger999]

Can't believe other games don't have the shifting effect for ffb that raceroom has, it's so good!.

[@Bobby-vv1bs]

It's the best driving experience out of all the driving titles for me right now

[@shadowblade2149]

It's free, so he's assuming everyone has tried it out. I've tried it out. It sits between PC2 and acc. Bit of both understeer and oversteer

[@Dcully]

@@shadowblade2149 Only very basic and outdated content is free.

[@chubbs6504]

this is a rfactor fan boy channel

[@stephencalvert6040]

AMS2 tends to have what I call 'Project cars Physics farts'.

[@schizoidforjesus]

Correct me if I´m wrong, but they run on the same engine, don´t they?

[@sim-vinny]

@@schizoidforjesus they do

[@stephencalvert6040]

@@schizoidforjesus Yes they do, and both feel similar too.

[@THENEMESIS69]

Great content buddy Since all the latest physics and tire updates my setup wont work aswell as it done so previously when doing the WR lap. The last setups cause conflict now and impossible to drive this is what happened when youve done your lap shame as it really does feel great since latest patch with a new setup based on that. So very harsh review on ams2 a game that is better and more refined than rfactor.

[@aqulex84]

Hey man, i´m glad you made this video comparison. I thought it was just me struggeling with AMS2 . Bought the full Pack on Steam and after a week of trying i gotten myself rid of it and gotten a refund. My Heusinkveld werent working all the time. Sometimes they were doing the job other times they were just not recognized, the handling was horrible on every car and track i tested. They need to put a lot of work into the game before they finally can keep up with ACC, RF2 and even AC at this stage with all mods and the FFB is way better in my eyes

[@arwin98]

Hey Ermin, I'd love to see a video from you on RaceRoom! I recently got into that sim and it really suprised me, especially after the recent update. It added so many physics details, like: realistic turbo spooling, throttle maps and realistic diffuser stall physics. The tyre model is on a similar level as ACC on most cars if I understanded the forum post correctly. But the FFB is pretty filtered (to simulate what you'd actually feel through the wheel compared to the informative rFactor 2 approach) I'm also really interested in the physics of these sims and I compare them all the time, and that's what you do a lot in your videos as well, so I'm curious what you think about R3E! Some cars I'd recommend: 2020 DTM, Zakspeed Capri (Group 5), Audi R8 GT2 LMS, Porsche 991 GT3 Cup (german) and the 981 Cayman GT4 Clubsport. Oh and the sounds are absolute god-tier! It does miss some details that ACC does really well like: rattling noises, and the detailed TC and ABS sounds. But it's the only sim that convinced me I'm listening to actual engines and not sound samples that are stitched together.

[@myk6694]

I've been playing alot with all 3 during the holidays, Ams2.. frustrating, Rfactor2 ..going nowhere fast, Acc..Boring, so I'm gone back to Ac, which is just brill

[@tartopom2669]

Same but with BeamNG instead of AC here... In terms of physics only this game is above everything

[@kami67]

@@tartopom2669 wdym? beamng driving physics are garbage.

[@tartopom2669]

@@kami67 you obviously didn't play the game since 2 years 😂

[@kami67]

@@tartopom2669 No, I played it 2 days ago, and it is not ready to be called a simulator yetm

[@tartopom2669]

@@kami67 Still not perfect, but Group C Bolide is a milestone in the game's driving physics

[@iltavilli313]

Wish there were this many options in the rallysim market. These three, iRacing, Automobilista 1, Raceroom, Assetto.

[@tonyyimbo]

Agreed we need more focus on rally

[@lasagneman5586]

The original Assetto Corsa has some rally content and mods

[@siimoraba2043]

Yes! I've been dreaming of a modular DCS World style (conceptually) rally sim platform made by a team similar to Kunos or S397. Imagine having proper sim grade physics, with both studio and user made content and mods. Maybe even free to play, with some basic content included - with the option to buy more cars/stages. A bit like RBR, but modern, easier to use.

[@callumparker3293]

Imagine a rally sim with the graphics and sounds of DR2, dirt physics of RBR, tarmac physics of Sebastian Loeb rally, and the stage design of WRC 9 😍

[@VitorMach]

Ermin, not trying to hate or anything (quite the contrary in fact, I quite enjoy your videos), but you were very enthusiastic about AMS2 in general in the beginning, even praising a lot its driving feel. I'm kinda curious on how you compare the early gameplay to the current one. Do you think it actually got worse? Do you think some of the other, older cars like the Sigma P1 drive better than the new GT3s? I do agree with your points, but I'm curious about your take on these things.

[@ErwinLiszkowicz]

The graphics in ACC don't come with a caveat of bad optimiastion. What you're saying Ermin is a bit bullshit. It isn't badly optimised nowadays. It just requires a lot of horsepower than any other sim while being a lot more pleasing to the eye than any other sim. Optimisation and performance aren't the same thing. Optimisation as the name suggests is about optimising the workload required to run given software. But still even amazingly optimised graphics-intensive game is going to demand a lot more from the hardware than awful looking totally not optimised game.

[@Tortellinii]

This 😄, I mean you can put ACC on low so it looks like rf2 and it funs on the same frame rate XD

[@stephencalvert6040]

Interesting point. ACC is an odd ball if im honest. I find there are certain aspect of its grapgics settings that kill performance without actually bringing 'much' to the table. Volumetric fog, motion blur and post processing comes to mind. Im actually getting a very stable 60 and above at 3200 / 1800 on a humble Vega 56 by just switching a couple of things to low or off. I find ACC needs pixels more than anything else.

[@ErwinLiszkowicz]

@@stephencalvert6040 yes, there's something to ACC that makes it look really blurry unless you crank the resolution up.

[@Maartwo]

People seem to think ACC's performance is GPU bound, when it's not. I used to run mid/high graphics at 75-50 FPS at 1080p with my Ryzen 2400g and GTX 1060. I upgraded to a Ryzen 3600 and my FPS went up to 80+ to 60 with everything on high. I now have a RTX 2060 and can run everything in Epic at 80+ FPS and the GPU isn't even at 80% load. There's a lot of physics calculations going on at all times, so in order to improve performance I'd advice upgrading the CPU. Also, ACC has worse performance in single player than in multiplayer because of all the AI and shit. As OP said, ACC is really well optimized, it's just a very intensive game.

[@tonyyimbo]

Its a poorly optimized game lol especially in vr .

[@jordan8538]

AMS2 has a lot of pointless FFB noise, and the kerbs/rumble strips are completely numb. The game is very much still beta.

[@spellcaster39ify]

Try NuScorpii FFB

[@axzhor]

Great video, enjoyed every minute of it. I always term you as a biased rf2 fanboy, it was super nice to listen to all pros and cons about each sim in clam and clear manner !! The pacing of the video was amazing as well !

[@martinvigo5074]

Just a bit late, but for rFactor 2 I recommend to modify controller.JSON file on userdata\player folder. Just 2 parameters are enough to get a new dimension of FFB. The first one is "Off-Road Multiplier" to 1.0 The second one is "Steering torque capability" to the maximum torque capability of the wheel (in Nm, obviously). I've a T300RS so the value is 3.9. Enjoy it!

[@Tortellinii]

Acc has literally tone mapping settings in graphics settings 😉

[@Ermz]

Which I've adjusted extensively, and never been happy with.

[@dinaussargaming5953]

It’s ok tortellini, we all know ACC is the better overall sim.

[@mehmetkara2752]

TORTELLINI 🔥🔥🔥

[@bmwM3M5M6]

I saturated in game to 120, use 100 in Nvidia Freestyle and also Digital Vibrance at 80. Also my TV settings. All that together made ACC graphics look very very nice. Sun, cloudy, morning, evening, sunset, night, rain,... cars, colors, Spa circuit,.. alll very nice ! 🏁💯 My only big complaint about ACC is: there is no Nordschleife I know it’s official Blancpain/GT world Challenge simulator but still.... It feels empty without Nordschleife. And I only drive in ACC 24/7 so I have no interest in other sims where Nordschleife is.

[@fingerhorn4]

Well why not chuck in Project Cars 2, which in some opinions still makes it into the top 3 or 4 racing sims. I think you were hard on AMS2. It does have other cars. Maybe your car control is not up to it?

[@barracadoseuze4213]

this configuration is very strange : 22:49

[@ThePape78]

Racerooms DTM 2020. For me the best in Simracing at the moment.

[@crypticchess3712]

I would also take racerooms gt3 cars over acc all day. Love R3E, never feel like I'm being bullshitted by the car or kerbs and braking is way more communicative

[@memoNo1719]

Absolutley Sir! And even dont forget the Audi R8 GT3 EVO. Simply amazing!

[@rraynor]

Unpopular Opinion: I enjoy the first Assetto Corsa more than all three of these still but to each his own. There are no right or wrong answers, unless of course you answer with Project Cars 3🤣🤣🤣

[@leruty]

For me it´s the first two Project Cars games. Much content for little money

[@distortedstringabuse]

Short of managing to drive the same car at the same track in real life, all you can really do is say which one you like more... Anyone who has been following him long enough knows that Ermin prefers RF2 and it would seem its because he can do a better lap time in it

[@benvella1728]

He straight up pointed out he's "bugged" the setup in it which actually rewards you and makes you go faster, even though it shouldn't make any sense... I dunno, that felt extremely underwhelming.

[@jwilly1075]

I still would like to see a video of you driving some of those cars in race room. I have played all of them including the original R factor and many variants of early racing sim titles. Race room is better than project cars one and two. I would say the force feedback is a little lackluster still but much improved over the years. I find The driving model to be on par with all of the current Sims. And the sounds are considered the best on the market to this day with the possible exception of ACC. The DTM series and some of the touring cars are better than any other representation that I’ve driven in any of the other simulator games. I would be very interested to see you drive some of those cars and break down to what you feel is lacking. I would find that very interesting as your opinion is highly regarded.

[@Dutsky]

So i'm confused. Where's Project Cars 3? ...

[@izhangt3787]

Lol

[@FengLovex]

i'm confused. PC 3 is a sim?

[@Jkarl74]

😅🤣

[@thatsimracer666]

Sorry mate you nfs shift 3 and its not a sim its arcade forever

[@TaawkirTajammul]

The mix of the intro music sounds really nice!

[@thebrood132]

Loved your new intro and you blended the engine sound with the music imitating a distorted guitar \m/

[@simulationstimulation961]

I'm gonna say that you were one of the biggest factors (see what I did there) for me to buy Rf2. And all I'm gonna say that, after 50hrs in-game, and after buying 3 packs based on many recommendations, and after still forcing myself to love it, that I am disappointed...

[@benvella1728]

Just from the overview of this video, I felt underwhelmed lol. Seems like an unpolished turd with the ego of a diamond. Also looking at the gameplay, AMS2 commentary and what I'm seeing on screen seems detached. Can't comment about his sensory experience since I'm not him, but the car seemed to drive much more normally than he was describing.

[@DoctorRevers]

Appreciate the work you put in to this.

[@derekbancarz4530]

Plays iracing, ACC, AC, AMS2, - dang maybe I want some new fanatec gear. Plays rfactor 2 in logitech g25, - Feels like I have the best wheel in the world. Nothing quite captures the thrill of driving like rfactor 2 !

[@Supersicksimracing]

My favorite sim racing KZbin channel it’s been awesome to watch you grow

[@mano_b18]

Great Vid Ermin. Super detailed content. To really enjoy ACC = High end sim rig + High PC rig and nothing comes close.

[@ryanfollett202]

I see what you did there with the intro... also 4D is a dope song!

[@TheDive25]

I'm not a "fanboy" by any stretch. I have all the sims (but I don't do Iracing anymore). ACC is almost unplayable for me in VR which is so sad as it's hands down the best right now. For just an overall package I find Raceroom the best bang for the buck. It is fantastic in VR. Decent load times. Ranked races 24/7. Constantly updating and delivering new cars/tracks. Leaderboards are super fun for the hotlappers. It's my go-to.. I played a million hours of AC but it's way past it's prime.. although sol/shaders have made it look a million times nicer. I've given rF2 so many chances and it is just a huge headache.. Their price model is not that great either. Ams2 runs great in VR but with almost zero online multiplayer it sinks it.

[@ivanfojan8859]

All excellent points. You would think the RF2 devs don't want you to play, they put that many obstacles in the way.... Raceroom is much better than you'd think and looks and runs great in vr :) Raceroom also has one of my favourite ever tracks, the made up circuit of Raceroom Raceway. I find the bridge layout amazing :)

[@derekmacdonald8892]

Ermin i like you and respect your knowledge, However to ignore iRacing because you think it is too much is bollocks. It is more popular than rfactor. I would like to know how it compares, and im sure lots of other people would. So stop being "toxic" and do a complete test..Thanks Mac. x x

[@jonasliriogurgel6652]

Amazing review! I played all the sims, and I agree with all your opinions! Congratulations! For me, rf2 was the best, but each day I am more disappointed with the broken physics! This is more evident after the new competition system implementation. It hurts my heart to admit that but is the awful truth.

[@Agnyaanamdhvamsakah]

Thank you for a great comparison, answered exactly the questions I had before getting one.

[@SpressoMan]

1.) I COMPLETELY agree with your comment about iRacing's business (pricing) practices. I'll probably drive it for a few season this year; but their level of development compared to the amount of revenue they have coming in monthly, is woeful. 2.) I'd love a tutorial video on how to set up a server in RF2 and ACC. I fought my way through learning RaceRoom several years ago; but haven't had the appetite to tackle the same undertaking with ACC. I'd be happy to host RF2/ACC tracks if I ever figured out how to set up the servers. 3.) ALL sims need to take a hint from AMS2! Setting up a server is such a joy!! I often host my own lobbies and just hotlap until others join (which always happens). I think AMS2 has a ton of potential. At first I was shocked & dismayed that they chose the Madness Engine; but now I wonder if it wasn't the best long-term choice. The drivability isn't perfect by any stretch; but with some refinement I think they could become epic. And I'm able to max out settings with 120+ FPS on moderate PC hardware. I love your videos! They're top notch! If I can get the time zone difference to work out, I'd love to join one of your community races. Cheers!

[@lasagneman5586]

I agree that AMS2 has a ton of potential, but it needs a lot of work before it catches up to ACC and rF2 in the driving department.

[@johnbalen7450]

Good music taste

[@Kefuddle]

R3E entered the chat.

[@chrisa1160]

Hey Ermin, you're turn-by-turn narration was great in this one! Love it, thanks!

[@TommyD1230]

Yo the pitches from the engines were singing in harmony with the intro song. friggen' sick

[@jamesracing421]

2021 needs all 3 depending on your mood

[@h3ndr1ck48]

iRacing by far is the most rounded, just because of the things most of these games lack, and that's multiplayer. Most people want to compare themselves to someone else, and although I don't race Road very often, a good battle going into a corner next to a real person with risk is what makes iRacing the premiere multiplayer title in any modern sim racer booklet.

[@jenscee7679]

I can go on iracing, check my friend list, join their server, join a race against similarly skilled drivers and it just works, all day every day. I also drive a 3 or 6 hour race every week with HUNDREDS of registered teams then special events like the Daytona 24, Le Mans 24, Indy 500, Nordshliefe 24 with thousands of drivers and it just works.

[@VVCepheiii]

rF2’s GT cars feel like you’re driving a Formula Ford, no way a real GT car feels like that.

[@thebigcat8312]

You must have a hell of a Formula Ford . . . .

[@ErwinLiszkowicz]

@@thebigcat8312 maybe the formula ford comparison isn't accurate but overall the way cars slide in rFactor 2 is just awful. I can believe that WRC cars slide like that but not a cricuit focused cars for sure.

[@tradesman1000]

Leaving out AC and iRacing in a review of “The best racing simulator of 2021” really Ermin?

[@vbence12]

Look at the pinned comment, answers your question completely.

[@mason.n3259]

He put a comment that said he didn’t want to legitimize iracings toxic monetization model, and that AC physics engine lagged behind acc

[@mac-li6du]

Still cant claim it's a review for the best driving sims 2021 when you dont include the two biggest. Plus his reasons are flawed. Rf2 you need to pay extra for tracks, cars the base content is lackluster at best. Iracing subscription runs the servers and to be frank there is nothing that comes close at this moment in time

[@vbence12]

@@mac-li6du well yeah, but you once you paid for the tracks and cars they are yours to keep, with iracing you still pay for those and after that you have to keep putting down monthly installments to keep them and if one day they decide to shut down the servers you lose everything because it's 100% online only (although the same probably goes for some other Sims). Also all the other games manage to keep server up and running witouth subscriptions. Don't get me wrong, I'm not here just to argue. I have iracing, it's a great game, easily the best driving feel and most fun I had with a sim (I'm not qualified to talk about how realistic the physic is) but once my 3 month subscription I don't know if I will renew it again. It's only expensive for the sake of being expensive, just to "keep out the bad apples" but the lower levels are still a mess of people pushing and shoving eachother around

[@camerone397]

iRacing is for sure a bit odd (yes I read the reasoning and tbh I get it but still), but leaving out AC actually makes sense here. We know it's older, we know it doesn't drive quite as well, and we know it doesn't have a native 720S GT3. No point in having it when its successor does GT3 racing better in almost every way (and I say that as someone who doesn't really like ACC).

[@krisztm7221]

When I sold my xbox 360 controller and invested in xbox one controller everything changed, I'm winning every race in Acc.

[@edteach3r]

Thanks for an enjoyable video. That AMS2 setup is quite strange ... In all my previous sims, and real life, I have rarely found negative toe-in to be a good idea. Negative front and neutral rear? Sometimes, on very fast tracks with sweeping turns, but usually a click or two of positive toe-in to keep the rear pointed in the right direction. As you said, AMS2 is quirky 😀.

[@barracadoseuze4213]

he's using a config that was from the old tire model, he should use the default settings to do a review like this :/

[@edteach3r]

@@barracadoseuze4213 : That makes more sense; thanks for taking the time to respond. I agree with you that evaluations of this nature need to be on default setups.

[@WarmRed77]

sorry for google translation I can't understand this AMS2 bashing. The SIM has only been on the market for a very short time and is being continuously developed. Renato reports to the beta forum daily and provides information. If you want to experience the potential of what AMS2 has, you should drive the GT1 on Spa simply divine, if the AMS2 developers keep this development for a longer or short period of time, resulting in an excellent simulation. What is ACC looking for in this comparison which only covers GT3 and recently GT4? All the others are racing simulators with plenty of content, ACC is a Gt3 Only Sim. Many people can't do anything with these boring GT3s.

[@poppajack5332]

well said mate, I also wondered why people hate on ams2 so much when its so new, when's Ermin gonna program a driving simulator? I'm sure there's a lot more to getting ffb right in a racing sim than people think. I've been enjoying the GT1 cars also, Nordschleife and Spa are awesome tracks.

[@myweirdtaste8090]

very good profound comparison that i find spot on in most aspects. Except, though not contracting to what you say, besides it's somehow "different" physics behaviour, AMS2 can deliver a very intense, immersive and rewarding driving feeling - at least in VR. And AMS2 has very realistic dry-juice rubber-flex squeak tire sound when it comes to abrupt and bouncing weight shifts. Even better than in Race-Room. However, indeed rF2's physics in combination with the responsive intuitive FFB delivers an outstanding experience that puts the driving experience and therefore 'pleasure of driving' to a different and superior level. Due to its a realism and agility you can drive responsive, 'spontaneous', you can feel out the car and track as you can do in real life. And in VR rF2 graphics are great and very well optimised for 90fps. If rF2 had a more and better "commercialised" over-all-accessibility and a solid online multiplayer eco-system it could blow all other sims out of the water. Since then one can be happy to have actually 5 sims (ACC, rF2, AMS2, iRacing, R3E) that deliverer all on very high level these days, with ongoing efforts to get even better.

[@lh5942]

Totally agree with the video. Race Room has so many flaws that it cannot be considered a simulator.

[@pancake5830]

oh my god, this video has like atleast 6 midrolls, my man ermin eatin good tonight!

[@Atticvs32]

If I understand correctly, rF2's biggest + is its physical tyre model and biggest -- is its outdated physics engine code. So if it safe to say that, if we separate tyre model and 'physics' (~aero and mechanical grip and setup interaction), we get to the following? TYRE MODEL: 1. rF2, 2. ACC (actually 1. rF2, 2. ACC, 3. AC, 4. R3E, 5. iR, and I spare characters by not even listing AMS2) PHYSICS: 1. ACC, 2. rF2 (actually 1. iR, 2. ACC, 3. rF2, 4. R3E, 5. AC) FORCE FEEDBACK: 1. rF2, 2. ACC (actually 1. rF2, 2. iR, 3. AC w/ CSP, 4. ACC, 5. R3E) Where tyre model is a VERY close contest between rF2 and ACC what with rF2's better limit behaviour and ACC's better-simulated tyre temperature effects - and FFB is getting ever closer too with ACC's improvements. N.B.: You're quickly becoming my new favourite sim racing channel, as informative as Empty Box was cca. 2013-2014 - especially as Jimmy lost all his charisma for me after being a %!/"@#& to constructive criticism from me a few months ago. (Haven't watched a minute since then.)

[@k1mura92]

Love your content m8. I tend to agree with your opinion as well, which is a big bonus. Cheers from Norway!

[@byrnesy919]

I'm a rf2 fan and have all 3 including RRE.. raceroom far surpasses ams2 in the realism department for me atm. It's the only sim where you can get proper close racing I feel

[@axelode45]

You can customize tone, contrast and saturation in settings in ACC...

[@morpheus9394]

What an excellent video. Very concise and informative. With more and more people getting into sim racing, let's hope the devs of all 3 sims can find the resource and technical skills to produce a decent all round package in the future. ACC seems to be closest of the 3 but by no means perfect yet. Thanks again for the great video

[@ThePape78]

Ermin writes under the video, raceroom is not a full simulator for him and then he plays ams 2 in the same video :-D.

[@dsjunges]

yeah... I thought that too hahaha... that doesn't make sense at all

[@Junker_1]

Sorry but AMS2 is a full simulator. That doesn't mean that raceroom isn't. Both are great.

[@XCougar85X]

The best sim is the one you enjoy the most. For me ACC for online and AC for offline. I am done with iRacing. Because while the sub is fine, they also take too much money for content on top of that, and i am not a fan of the steering acceleration it uses. R3E feels like a mess, no complete series. The UI is mindboglingly bad, not getting near it ever again. So yeah, i'll stick to ACC for now, no need for anything else and one of the best GT sims to boot.

[@earthsurfer13]

All the iracing fans are butt hurt. I helped develop and test iracing in its infancy (miss my trans am series racing) . We discussed the pay model back then and knew it would be the one thing that kept players away. A lot went into iracing so yeah I get it. And the pay model is a barrier for wreckers and griefers but it also locks out a lot of good folks that just can't afford it. I still maintain my original tester philosophy that the pay model will attract the elite snobs and push out the lower level folks. It was true then and it's true now. It's a game at the end of the day. None of these titles are like real life actually. The only thing that is just like real life racing is the snobbery.

[@damsen978]

How did this video age now with the updates so far this year?

[@h1tzzYT]

Amazing video, it probably took you a while to make this

[@Ermz]

Glad someone appreciates the workload!

[@Bazzookie]

ACC clearly has become the GT3 sim of choice currently. Where I think rFactor truly shines, and what some people may overlook as they focus mostly on the modern GT cars, is that rFactor 2 is god like when you drive a car that relies heavily on mechanical grip where you really have to slide through and out of corners to really carry speed. It's really where the physical tire model shows vs the Gt3 cars which are more aero dependent. The Mclaren M23 at the Nurburgring in rF2 is genuinely one of the most fun experiences you can have in a sim. It's the only time I've driven the Nurburgring on a sim and genuinely felt afraid to go full throttle, yet you still feel that with the right amount of skill, and nuance, you can really push the car to its absolute limit. You really get to understand just how difficult and exciting racing an old f1 car around that track was. It's truly controlled lack of control in the best possible way. Another great match for old F1 cars in rF2 is Lime rock park with no chicanes. It's all high speed where you have to trust your car, your ability to get the nose in and slide through the corner. AMS 2 I don't really have much to say on... It's simply just not there yet. It has potential, and Reiza is a capable developer, but they have a ways to go.

[@utkarshchaurasia2233]

Dude I do not agree with you on content in rfactor 2 as the quality of the content isn't great and also because studio 397 constantly keeps updating their stuff, most of the mods are broken

[@Bazzookie]

I disagree, the studio 397 content is pretty top tier, The Gt3 cars are good, but the Mclaren F1 cars are pratty damn great, and their laser scanned tracks like Spa, Sebring, The Nürburgring, etc are extremely well done. The mods are just like the mods for the original rFactor one, some absolutely suck, some are phenomenal. there's 1970's era F1 mod that I'm pretty sure uses Studio 397's physics and tire model as a foundation and it's quite good to drive for example, and the lidar data based tracks like Laguna Seca, or some of the conversions from Assetto Corsa like Mugelo are really good to drive. Whenever you have a game that's open to modding the content is going to be incredibly inconsistent. Assetto corsa is the same way. You have guys like RSS that make mods you'd think were made by Kunos themselves, and then you have crap cars that drive like a boat with bike tires trying to turn on a patch of ice. rF2's modding community is just smaller so you have to know how to dig out the gems and avoid the crap.

[@goodlookinouthomie1757]

I do actually love rFactor 2 for it's AI, which just feels more natural than the others.

[@notthefia9154]

usually I play Rfactor 2 only for the Formula E championship so my experience with R factor is based on that entirely but from my limited time driving them there is so much to get used to and they drive so much differently to Formula 2 or Formula 3 cars. I don’t know if anyone else has had the same experiences as I have but they feel so cumbersome and boat like on the rear but then at the same time the rear can really move around quite a lot and then equally, they also have quite a pointy front end which you can really lean on and dart into corners combined with very grabby brakes. I’ll use the Dyriah street circuit as an example here but the car seems to be in two minds of its own almost which is incredibly off putting. 90% of the time the car feels like one solid piece that’s incredibly lazy and cumbersome on the rear meaning you really have to crank the steering to get it to turn, but then at the same time when pushing the car hard the rear will dance around a lot and the front end will switch between being pointy and then weighted. And when coming into a heavy breaking zone the brakes just don’t really have any feel to them, It feels like the cars going to grab an inside front right and lock up going straight on

[@jamesingram7151]

Great video, exactly what I was after. Thanks, I even watched it all 😁

[@buzzfightbeer8023]

Dude...this is almost completely different than what you said about AMS2 just a few months ago. Like, polar opposite. You stated in previous reviews and comparisons that AMS2 had arguably the best force feedback and sensation of any sim on the market. You said the handling felt much more true to life than ACC(in short). You had almost nothing but good to say about driving in the game. So I am confused about why it is, all of a sudden, so strange to you?

[@engo74]

Great video!! even though I enjoy at some point Madness Engine games, the feeling has always been that cars are weightless, even watching the replays compared to AC. And of course just get a lambo and youre ready to flip pancakes!!

[@coastallab3926]

Hello Ermin, i wanted to make you a little correction, ACC technically allows for mods, they just do know how to integrate them in the game, and they don't want to support directly that, the problem is that UE4 is not a proprietary engine, so it needs to be rebuilt and resigned everytime you add something, leading to the main problem of Kunos having to release the source code in order to compile it with the mods integration, with Assetto Corsa all that was easy since the proprietary engine allowed them to build an integration API for the apps used to modify the game. They won't condemn mods, they will just not support them in case someone finds a way to integrate the mods into the game. Anyways thank you for the comparison, spot on as always (:

[@andrewtaylor1598]

Fantastic review and very comprehensive. As sim racers we are very lucky to have 3 amazing titles to choose from. My biggest headache always comes from which one to boot up. For the overall accessibility I usually find myself choosing ACC, but if I can be bothered to navigate the UI, R Factor puts such a big smile on my face.

[@pumpkineater23]

Great video. I think if you’re going to highlight the extra immersion due to good sounds then VR should also be mentioned? I think the Madness engine is superior in this department?

[@galaxian_hitchhiker]

FFB is a subjective flavor mostly. You can fine tune almost all sim around to your desires. Madness engine has hundreds of parameters to set. With correct settings file you can feel the real car underneath. Maybe comparing these via FFB out of the box is not would be fair but in the extendibility will.

[@Toiaat]

this would have been more helpful a week ago when steam had it's winter sale

[@lasagneman5586]

I didn't know which to buy so I just bought both ACC and rF2, lol

[@godvsevolutionmythgodvsevo1038]

@@lasagneman5586 OK I bought Raceroom even though it's free

[@DiscoStu30]

I wish you had a VR critique. RTX3080 & 9-5900x, ACC is still very difficult to get decent FPS. AMS2 needs some work, but has a solid ground to build on. Original AC with SOL2.0 and weather is awesome.

[@correlatedcuisine]

Funny, it’s almost like sims are just like the cars themselves...got to pick the one(s) that best fits your own priorities and goals!

[@SticksAandstonesBozo]

R factor 2 came out in 1985. Why are we even talking about it lol.

[@nopenope7350]

A fantastic review. Thank you friend!

[@balamacab]

For me rfactor2 have the edge between those sim for the fact that is the only that support mods. Is true that acc is my goto sim for gt3, but i find my self lapping more in other race series than gt and using more rfactor2 than acc. Competition between sim it's always good because developers have to evolve their product to keep up and that's what's happening and it's good for us the community

[@myronianny]

Northlane - 4D in the intro ❤

[@chrisberry6919]

For me, you can keep GT3. Not interested in any sim, it's too dull. Prototypes & formulas only for me & therefore it has to be rF2. No contest.

[@simulationstimulation961]

You make lots of contradictory statements and sometimes wrong. On 39:30 you say that the FFB of RF2 is the holy grail even on low end wheels. Let me say this: I have AC, ACC, RRE, PC2, AMS2 and RF2. RF2 feels the worse on my G29. The worse! Even worse than PC2 arguably. I've tried everything under the sun to make it feel better but I fail. And that's on official GTE content and official Nordshleife. Again when I posted about in the Simracing FB group, lota of people on low end wheels agreed with me and said that when they jumped to a CSW2.5 or DD wheel, RF2 felt amazing; which is a big fail in itself. Why does AC or AMS2 or RRE feel amazing on my low end wheel but not RF2?!

[@slowanddeliberate6893]

I've never driven rFactor 2, but there seems to be way too much oversteer for a GT3 car. Great video, though.

[@TheCalvinnnnn]

Rfactor 2 was the biggest let down for me. Setups have their own physics model and are alien to real world application. The tyre model is so ‘good’ that cars improve lap times until the point you can get round Nurburgring gp in a gt3 car in 1:50 seconds which is 4 seconds quicker than the real world record. It rewards lazy driving and it’s nearly impossible to spin a car on the limit. Such an overrated game, ACC dominates without questions by doing the opposite of all the above!

[@geerxin]

I'm not sure how many people who own a wheel and play these games will ever get a chance to drive a GT3 car, or even get in one. thats why AC is still my favorite of them all. nothing gets close to real life as driving a 200hp car with steet tires.

[@jenscee7679]

Can’t take any list seriously without iracing included. It’s easily (and I really mean that) the best racing sim, if not the best driving sim, whether or not you like the cost. It can be a lot at first but costs next to nothing compared to all the wheels, rigs, pedals and PCs sim racers buy. To then exclude one sim because of the cost is like excluding Heusinkveld from a list of pedals because of the costs. BTW, ACC is terrific fun to drive and I love driving it.

[@chiel7016]

Its not the best any more, of not the worst out of the real sims and the price for it is not worth it

[@jenscee7679]

@@chiel7016 that’s an opinion not a fact sorry.

[@theaveragecarguy770]

Its a rubbish GT3 sim for sure. Proof of it - try driving on abs, like you are supposed to in GT3 car. :) Not mentioning tyres lighting up on fire after a slightest of slides. P.S. Last time I had a subscription was almost a year ago, so maybe something changed, but besides the mentioned things I could never find a good setting for my CSW 2.5 with it. On my friends Accuforce DD it felt better.

[@rykooo19040]

@@theaveragecarguy770 GT cars in general got a complete overhaul in the last two seasons. The ABS point still stands, which is quite sad tbh, but the tires are a lot more believable now. you can catch slides and if they overheat you can chill out for a couple of corners and they become derivable again. GTE is bloody amazing right now

[@theaveragecarguy770]

@@rykooo19040 good to hear that. I will need to revisit it then! I just hope they will update their ffb as well some time in the future, but I can believe it might not be the most popular desicion between iRacing fans.

[@analogearthquake1984]

Ok, but where is RaceRoom?

[@trustern8179]

What about doing a comparison between ACC and AC? I know that you said the physics engine lags behind which I believe is true as well but would love to see a side by side comparison and what not. Perhaps it turns out that AC is far better than we thought etc. Either way great video!

[@BASHERSKINZ]

Some of the cars in AMS2 are totally broken, I recently got a motion rig and it really amplifies this, I tried the Rocco at Montreal and it was absolutely ridiculously broken

[@ariehendrawan9784]

perhaps your motion rig is broken

[@BASHERSKINZ]

@@ariehendrawan9784 nope, it's well documented that some are broken, especially when I made this comment :)

[@chrisbarker5336]

Sorry to stick in an iracing comment, but I don't think its a coincidence that iracing is more expensive but has by FAR (by far I mean 2nd is like a dot on the horizon) the best online racing. Keeping the online servers going; the quantity, variety and the quality of the service they provide can't be done on a single payment business model otherwise others wouldn't find it so hard to provide the same online experience. To say its toxic is harsh, its just it is what it is. In general its a fairly cheap hobby.

[@LithFox]

Simple to put: iRacing is an MMO Simulator. It treats its servers as "instances" and is tightly bound in its rules and competitions. Done. That's it. That's why there isn't any competition because no one does that and if they WANTED to, they'd either have to put a lot of effort into reformatting into a similar payment service OR rely heavily on F2P style format monetization (eg: War Thunder, World of Tanks, etc)

[@underwolver]

paying a monthly amount for the servers I could understand for the full game but having to pay more than 1500 dollar to have everything ingame is insane. Paying the monthly fee for the basegame is not worth it.

[@ivanfojan8859]

You're actually not quite correct. Gran Turismo Sport has really good online racing and you can pick it up for under £20. You can even buy a PS4 to run it and it will still cost a lot less than iRacing. Purists will laugh but try checking out some online videos from the likes of Super GT and Tidgney. It's far better than what you'd think and includes a built in safety rating system. :)

[@chrisbarker5336]

@@ivanfojan8859 yes you're right. Good shout 👍

[@Bobby-vv1bs]

What about Raceroom?

[@MultiLucai1]

Raceroom, doesn't even have a proper Traction Control simulation, since every car in Raceroom that has TC has exactly 6 levels of TC even though most GT3 Cars for instance have atleast 8 different levels of TC Some even have 12.

[@DonHichot]

When it comes to having fun with ai, there are only 2 titles that count. Rf2 and AMS2, and the second one is starting to replace the former for me. Bravo Reiza.

[@JayRacer]

Just got it today and it’s now my favorite VR Racing Title.

[@joeydallas2383]

I find the iRacing thing quite funny, especially the guys with the super expensive hardware. In a recent discussion I've tallied up what I've spent on iR in the past 6 years (content + subscription) and it was less than the amount they spent on their equipment alone. Joke is, they refuse to play iRacing but spend 90% of their time complaining and trying to find a decent race or league in some of the other sims, meanwhile the immense amount of enjoyment I've had on iR on my low end equipment was very much worth the money. Also a few years ago, there wasn't the availability of leagues in other sims like there is now, so iRacing was the best bet for that multilayer experience. That's the end all for me, I don't care much for single player / AI driving regardless of how much better a title feels. However, I will say that you put together a good video. Thanks for your contribution to the sim community!

[@karstenpoels1865]

How much was it tho?

[@joeydallas2383]

@@karstenpoels1865 Ballpark $800USD.

[@gucketjug]

My solution: play em all! 😄😄😄

[@goob8945]

The answer was right under our noses the entire time!!

[@alex_n.]

Well, i always come back to rF2...

[@pablodeluca5681]

What a great job man, thanks