The best trilled [r] video yet!

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Ten Minute Spanish

Ten Minute Spanish

Күн бұрын

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@thinkpad20
@thinkpad20 Жыл бұрын
5:00 ah the inevitable moment in seemingly every trilled R video where you've been correctly doing everything they ask until finally they're like, "and then you go rrrrrrrrr" and I just go "pfftththdhdhdhththth" 😑
@megahern8467
@megahern8467 Жыл бұрын
EXACTLY. I was really excited about the level of detail in this video for the first few minutes. Then they're like, "and then you just trill your tongue." GAHHHHHH
@swedenontwowheels
@swedenontwowheels Жыл бұрын
@@megahern8467 hahaha it went exactly the same for me
@DAMfoxygrampa
@DAMfoxygrampa Жыл бұрын
Same here. It's like I'm missing a step or something
@fragglegoth
@fragglegoth Жыл бұрын
I can actually trill my rs. But when I followed the steps in this video and then built up pressure in my mouth, it didn't work for me. So I don't know if there's something missing, or if I'm trilling my rs wrong for Spanish. Being able to purr like a cat helps though - maybe having cats growing up helped :)
@Eyiza
@Eyiza Жыл бұрын
I am some what there, im in the in between stage, still kinda messy but its actually starting to sound like trilling my r's
@manofcorn5930
@manofcorn5930 9 ай бұрын
Every trilled R tutorial: Step 1: Place you tongue like so Step 2: Trill your R's
@MissCE010
@MissCE010 8 ай бұрын
😂 accurate
@diegocalvo6261
@diegocalvo6261 6 ай бұрын
This one is no exception
@PeppermintPat
@PeppermintPat 2 ай бұрын
😂😂
@nutronstar45
@nutronstar45 16 күн бұрын
@@diegocalvo6261this one tells you to build up pressure
@Dylan-oy3ch
@Dylan-oy3ch 3 күн бұрын
@@nutronstar45i don’t even know what that means in reference to my mouth. i need the ultimate beginners guide
@drryanjames93
@drryanjames93 8 ай бұрын
No matter how much air flow I produce, my tongue does not move.
@nutronstar45
@nutronstar45 16 күн бұрын
you must make the air flow turbulent
@briannalove749
@briannalove749 2 жыл бұрын
EDIT: One day, a few weeks ago, I randomly got it. And I'm honestly a bit frustrated about it because I have no idea what I did differently, if I even did in the first place. I had hoped that if the time ever came where I did it, I'd be able to give some tips to people who were also struggling to help them figure it out too. My problem was that I would have my tongue in the right spot, but the air would either push my tongue out of the way with at most one "tap" or I'd be trying to compensate with extra pressure and my tongue wouldn't allow any air past. I was practicing with the former outcome, and then just *got* it completely randomly when I wasn't even trying. I wish I had some secret info for everyone in the replies who are struggling but I'm afraid not. At this point, I can only produce the isolated sound, and can't do it voiced yet. And it's not 100% perfect either. Given that I can't get it every time I try (it's more like 90%), I do think it's a case of getting all the steps perfect just once and then being able to finally progress from there. Good luck everyone. (Jan '24) Nope, I still can't get my tongue to vibrate lol. This video did definitely help with my tongue placement but no matter how much I try I can never get it to actually vibrate... closest I've gotten is when I've sneezed! Hopefully I can get it eventually lol
@reemwertheim7781
@reemwertheim7781 2 жыл бұрын
Don't worry, it takes time, it took me 4 days of just trying for hours until I finally got it right, just keep practicing, and you will get it in due time
@janboreczek3045
@janboreczek3045 2 жыл бұрын
@@reemwertheim7781 I've been doing the exact same thing as You, with no success
@reemwertheim7781
@reemwertheim7781 2 жыл бұрын
@@janboreczek3045 each person takes a different amount of time, just remember that it's possible and that the overwhelming majority of the Spanish world can do it. Also I think I watched around a billion videos explaining how to trill, and found some good tongue twisters to practice. After a while of not being able to do it i got one by mistake, and tried to do it again for the rest of the day with no success, the day after that i got a couple more by mistake, the next day i was skiing while practicing and i saw that while I go on rough terrain the bumps i go on while skiing makes my tongue vibrate on just the right way to trill, i kept on going on rough terrain and trilling, i got so excited when I got it right and was able to control it right there that i skied the entire mountain screaming: " CARRO! PERRO! CARRO! PERRO!" That's when I really got excited about Spanish
@janboreczek3045
@janboreczek3045 2 жыл бұрын
@@reemwertheim7781 Well, guess I'll have to wait for the skiing season. It does however look like I'll have to content with speaking either uncomfortalble double tapped r, or a little less uncomfortable guttural trill. I can do any trill possible for a human, yet this alveolar trill has been elluding me for months of really intense practice and effort. And all of that despite the fact that this sound exists in my native language
@reemwertheim7781
@reemwertheim7781 2 жыл бұрын
@@janboreczek3045 you can give up, that's fine, i don't care. But it's for you, you gotta believe that you will eventually do it. Because a third of the world knows how to do it and it's a learnable skill. You aren't different, you can learn it too
@KaigerKaiju
@KaigerKaiju 2 жыл бұрын
When I try to add the air pressure, the air just passes by my tongue
@tracyw1200
@tracyw1200 2 жыл бұрын
Same here. It slips out the sides.
@unoriginallyanonyoumus601
@unoriginallyanonyoumus601 7 ай бұрын
i saw on another video to try and make an f sound and then push your tounge up into flow of air
@gambsy69
@gambsy69 6 ай бұрын
@@tracyw1200 same here
@ellemueller
@ellemueller 6 ай бұрын
Put the tip of your tongue on the roof of your mouth where retroflex English D goes but the very edges of the sides of your tongue are against your teeth from the tooth behind your incisors all the way to the place where the tip of your tongue touches the roof of your mouth about the distance of the tip of your thumb between your tongue and the front two teeth kline you're locking your thumbnail while your fingerprint presses against those two teeth) and the bottom half of your tongue is flattened and relaxed like when you say "La". Move the tip of your tongue between the back of your front to teeth to where it should properly be for Spanish R while you keep the side edges of your tongue against the front half of your top teeth until you start to feel a vibration on the roof of your mouth while keeping your tongue relaxed. It's like trying to make the childish raspberry noise with your lips and tongue, blowing hard outwardly to say, "THpTHpTH!" You're doing that but with only the top tip against the roof of your mouth while the front ⅓ or so of the edges of the sides of your tongue are against your teeth. That makes a hard to make sound that turns into a Spanish R when enough air forces your tongue out of the way and then varying the pressure will cause it to flap the same way as when you make the raspberry noise.
@lollomatcasu7057
@lollomatcasu7057 5 ай бұрын
i can give an advice a year later,the tongue got to be relaxed,if not,that will happen,just relax it and it will work!
@cyrex686
@cyrex686 Жыл бұрын
MISSING TECHNIQUE: This did it for me instantly after months trying: Lie in bed and tilt your head completely back. This makes your tongue rest against the roof of your mouth. Much easier to get the tongue into position while leaving it relaxed.
@andoletube
@andoletube 10 ай бұрын
That's a good suggestion!
@cradicalcompassion
@cradicalcompassion 2 ай бұрын
Wait this actually helped... sooo now I just gotta practice Spanish laying down lmaoo
@kaizer534
@kaizer534 2 ай бұрын
i was laying down on my bed when I unintentionally did this and finally trilled my R
@MA-jg6tw
@MA-jg6tw 9 ай бұрын
I’ve been waiting for this information for a long time. Retroflex was the word I needed I think, nobody ever mentioned that. I can do a fake Indian accent so I can trill my r’s, it was always that easy! But I never knew I could. Thanks
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish 9 ай бұрын
I'm so happy this explanation worked for you.
@ebranham123
@ebranham123 10 ай бұрын
Well... I sound like an angry helecopter or machine gun, and my vision goes blurry when i do it, lol
@jairoel
@jairoel Ай бұрын
As a spanish speaker, that happens when you force the r too much
@kathleenmontiel2056
@kathleenmontiel2056 Жыл бұрын
For all of those who cannot trill their Rs, there is still hope. I am a native Spanish speaker from Costa Rica where we DO NOT trill our Rs (we are always made fun of but we don't care), we pronounce our Rs just like Americans do. So, there you go!!
@KaraLey98
@KaraLey98 Жыл бұрын
How interesting!! I’d love to hear you speak!
@alyssaschulz6438
@alyssaschulz6438 2 ай бұрын
As an American who’s going to study abroad in Costa Rica and can’t roll their rs (yet!) this is great to hear
@RobPinionYes
@RobPinionYes Жыл бұрын
At last I know what to do. Four years of high school Spanish and two more semesters in college. Lots of people tell me I have good Spanish skills, but they just don't acknowledge I haven't been able to trill my r's. I have a linguistics degree and never had anyone show me where the tongue is, what part of the tongue is there, and how to build up pressure like saying an [Indian subcontinent] d. I have had many people attempt to describe what is going on to no avail. Now, I'm taking Latin. They think Latin speakers trilled their r's; so, once again, I'm on a quest to do it. Thank you. I actually got this working partially tonight.
@WigantX
@WigantX 11 ай бұрын
Spanish speaking guy here. For most part this is exactly was I was trying to explain to some english speaking friend when rolling their R: >Location of the tongue. >Similar sound in their native language. >The cat purring method. I already send them this video, so they finally can embrace spanish rolled R.
@srpskihayk
@srpskihayk Жыл бұрын
Yeah, my tongue does not vibrate when pushed with air. The air just goes around it. The only way I have ever been able to vibrate the tip of my tongue is use my throat that little flappy thing hanging down from the throat. It has never worked for me. My Bosnian family (trilled r's are used, and I cannot do them and never have been able to) have always thought me to be defective. I do think it is one of those things you have to be genetically inclined to do or learn, like being able to learn to play a violin, or any complex instrument, like a maestro, or to rattle of primes to a billion wihtout thinking. Reading through the comments, it is heartening to know there is a community of people who cannot, no matter what they do, trill their r's. It is like a support group.
@emcd6707
@emcd6707 Жыл бұрын
THIS
@Scarlett_Ravenwood
@Scarlett_Ravenwood Жыл бұрын
I've felt the same but please don't give up. I'm convinced everyone can do it. Some just need more effort and practice. I've been practicing to roll the R for about a week now. I'm a german speaking person and I started with words with a "br" at the beginning like "Braut" and switched the r with a d so I said "Bdaut" a lot. I also said "td td td td" und "tle tle tle" maaaaany times, very fast, every morning and every evening while driving to work or driving home. Amongst that I did lip trills and tried to keep my tounge lose while doing that. Then I put my tounge lose at the top of my gum, very much in the front, the tip is more between the teeth and blocked the air above the tounge. Then I pressed the air out till my tounge started to vibrate. It's like a fart with the tounge to be honest :D it didn't worked immediately so you have to try try try. this vibrating feeling is the one we need but now we have to place this vibration more to the middle part of the tounge and the tip moves back, where we form our "d" and "t" and THEN I came back to words with "br" or "put-it-away" and booom, there came my rolled R :)))) it's not good yet but I keep practicing. Funfact: it's easier when you lay on your back and let your head hang down a little bit (works best on a bed)
@nicename7247
@nicename7247 11 ай бұрын
brate ovo, ista stvar. uvijek sam mislio da je nešto što se nemože promijeniti, al evo sad malo gledam pa kontam možda možemo nešto izvest (za sad ništa)
@-WarMapping-
@-WarMapping- 4 ай бұрын
Same, im just getting an h sound
@heraclesn
@heraclesn 3 ай бұрын
Everyone in my family can trill their r’s but me, I feel you.
@dominicpayne4025
@dominicpayne4025 2 жыл бұрын
This video just goes to prove that the simplest explanations are always the best! After four years of learning Spanish I've been very inconsistent with trilling r. I've now spent two days nailing it every time! (it's a start)
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish 2 жыл бұрын
Congratulations! I'm really happy this helped you.
@dominicpayne4025
@dominicpayne4025 2 жыл бұрын
@@tenminutespanish Keep making these videos (please!) Your channel is by far the best and most comprehensive resource for Spanish pronunciation out there, you obviously put a lot of thought, intelligence and time into making these videos, so it's a big thank you from me! 👍
@Wonkyloo
@Wonkyloo Жыл бұрын
With this video I have graduated from making an ungodly hissing noise with a lot of drool to a fart sound made by my tongue behind my teeth, without drool! .. . It's... progress???
@bogdanmacleod1606
@bogdanmacleod1606 Жыл бұрын
Same brother!! Sounds like progress to me😂
@Grumm1592
@Grumm1592 16 күн бұрын
bro what the fuck im dyin🤣 honestly same tho
@Project129
@Project129 10 ай бұрын
"Find the D sound." "Done." "Find the other D sound." "Done, I feel it." "Put some air pressure." *Lower Lips immediately let out all air, not vibrating the tongue as it is cleaning out my gums.* OR *Wind noises/No Noise at all.* At this point, closest thing I got is some inhuman mess in the back of my throat. I can't tell if it is just I am unable to roll my tongue due to it not relaxing, my lips not being tight, my entire 'D' sound being off, my tongue folding itself too much, not being able to relax my tongue, etc. I have tried for fifteen years to get this right and I still am no closer. At this point, I think it's just safe to assume any language with a rolled R is an automatic fail and I'll just have to move on. For those who succeed, nicely done. You have far better control, patience, or just better mouth shape. I sincerely and utterly think it's just impossible with my mouth structure at this point.
@tillysaway
@tillysaway 7 ай бұрын
opening your mouth more should help
@apolo399
@apolo399 6 ай бұрын
your lips don't play any role in the articulation of the sound though. the air pressure is built by the seal your tongue makes with the roof of your mouth. the exact point of contact of the tongue tip with the alveolar ridge or palate isn't really as important (at least I, as a native speaker, can make it trill in a wide range and even with a point slightly higher than the tip of the tongue), as long as it's not touching your lips. the most important part seems to be the seal-release mechanism. no lips are involved, only the tongue and the bony parts of your palate.
@runtaoyang1244
@runtaoyang1244 Жыл бұрын
I was someone who thought my palette was the wrong shape and would never be able to do this. However after watching your videos (and others), I can finally do a closed mouth tongue trill most of the time. I still have alot to practice, but I've been stuck on 1a for so long and it feels like a breakthrough. What was really helpful for me was practicing getting my tongue tip in position with just the back and sides of my tongue. Do it throughout the day and don't "try" too hard or too long. That way, you can catch yourself naturally when your mouth is relaxed. Then once I got that down, i literally started with with the sound i make when i hock a loogie (a hoarse vibration in the back of the throat, but be careful not to stretch your throat). Then transition that vibration of the throat and back of the tongue to vibrating the front of the tongue (by engaging my relaxed tongue practice). From there it was a matter of finding it for the first time and remembering to relax while hocking a loogie.
@lisag18
@lisag18 8 ай бұрын
Your directions were vert descriptive. This is the first time i ever even got any kind of trill sound. The best trick was to lie down and clear the throat. Thank you
@banton2878
@banton2878 2 жыл бұрын
Can you please elaborate on “air pressure”? I actually don’t know what are you talking about
@xyresikk2435
@xyresikk2435 9 ай бұрын
I know this comment is a year old, but for anyone else struggling with this: think of trying to say the letter 'd' or a really hard 't' without using your voice or throat, it will be almost a bit of a popping sound. This is what the pressure means, and then all you have to do is angle the tip of your tongue slightly back and try to say the words like rot or ring or praise.
@stevejobs5533
@stevejobs5533 7 ай бұрын
'without using your voice' wtf does that mean. ​@@xyresikk2435
@fcomega121
@fcomega121 7 ай бұрын
Yeah I'd describe it like that. Is still hard as a native spanish speaker to explain it but, Like trying to put a lot of emphasis on a "T", the english d sound just as a placement placeholder Then just trying to let the tongue flap while doing the strong T, without pulling out the tongue as with a normal t, but keeping it in place not so hard/pushy either: while producing that small PLOP T sound, pushing a bit of air TO the tongue only the tongue tip instead of just letting it out, strong enough to produce the "T" but soft enough to not make a Spit Th. -It doesn't even has to be so hard, but I might be over experienced by nativity as I can make soft trills just pushing a bit of constant air doing a purrrrr. The rest to go to the final trill is hard to explain. But I hope my extra comment to above's comment to add extra details can help someone out there.
@RLaquatics
@RLaquatics 2 ай бұрын
@@xyresikk2435 bro you just helped me so much i got it instantly 😭
@Gameplaymore134
@Gameplaymore134 Ай бұрын
@@xyresikk2435 thank you!! It worked after your tip.
@CBaggers
@CBaggers Жыл бұрын
Holy shit, this is the best video on the subject I've ever seen. The shwa was such a breakthrough point. Thanks for the video!
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish Жыл бұрын
So glad you found this helpful.
@user-epicguy123
@user-epicguy123 Ай бұрын
the very clear and concise explanation on the tongue placement leading to "just create a tiny bit of air pressure" shows you are truly a master at ragebait, it's honestly impressive
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish Ай бұрын
@@user-epicguy123 We create a tiny bit of pressure every time we pronounce p,t,k,b,d,g. It's something everyone knows how to do. Also, please remember I began the video with a several-minute discussion of why going into too much detail was counter productive. If I had explained exactly how to generate a tiny bit of pressure people would complain that that explanation was wrong. The important thing is to begin attempting to trill using the activities I suggest starting around 9:10.
@ipaingo
@ipaingo 2 жыл бұрын
honestly, i have no idea why has youtube recommended this video to me, because neither do i learn spanish, nor do i need to learn how to r, because this sound is a part of my language and i already know how to do it. but i still want to comment on how good the quality of this video is. you’re doing a great work! keep going like this, please. your explanation is neat and practical.
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@girlsdrinkfeck
@girlsdrinkfeck Жыл бұрын
russian sounds sexier ,listen to tatu - robot , lol
@kvgiris
@kvgiris Жыл бұрын
@@tenminutespanish Why you reply to people saying it worked, but never helping the people who said it never worked? What the fuck man?
@fatemehnoorani7181
@fatemehnoorani7181 Жыл бұрын
my language is not spanish and i always had difficulty pronouncing the r in spanish, even tho we have r in my mother tongue, but trilling was the tough part and he explained it so well that i made this sound finally! and even i can pronounce it in words beginning with a trilled r!
@t.c.bramblett617
@t.c.bramblett617 2 жыл бұрын
These videos are fascinating, even more so since I couldn't trill my r apically for decades, I only could simulate it with the uvula. I only just recently (this year) figured out how to do it, in the course of doing online Spanish lessons. I was able to do it after lots of practice... however, I still couldn't have told you exactly what I was doing to make the sound until I came across your video channel. The key, for me, was realizing that I have to pull the tip of my tongue back when I do it, and also subconsciously cup the tongue. I still can't hold it for a long time, fortunately that isn't a super important part of speaking the actual language, but I am working on it! Fantastic videos as always, I am learning a lot from them.
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@andypartridge800
@andypartridge800 Жыл бұрын
This is a brilliant way to break down how the tongue works when trilling. The slightly raised tongue when the air is pushed against it, naturally vibrates it against the alveolar. I can finally (nearly) roll my Rs! 😛 Practicaré mucho
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Congratulations!
@paremour
@paremour 4 күн бұрын
this actually just changed my life. ITS BEEN YEARS. I finally learned how to vibrate the tongue. It's gonna take a bit more practice to get to "brr" without making the gargling sound/motion, but i FINALLY got it. Thank you!!!
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish 4 күн бұрын
So glad this helped you!
@mariaijebd1637
@mariaijebd1637 2 жыл бұрын
Why am I watching this?? I'm mexican 😂😂 Don't be discouraged if you don't get the r sound right, it took me quite a while to master it and I'm a native.
@janboreczek3045
@janboreczek3045 2 жыл бұрын
How long of a while? This sound is present in my native language too, yet after months I still have no success
@mariaijebd1637
@mariaijebd1637 2 жыл бұрын
@@janboreczek3045So this is a very important sound in spanish, but I managed to pronounce it right until I was 11 years old, if I'm not mistaken. So it's normal if it takes you a couple of years. The good thing with Spanish, is that even if you can't roll the r, it's still understandable.
@janboreczek3045
@janboreczek3045 2 жыл бұрын
@@mariaijebd1637 Thanks! However, I'm not learning spanish. I'm trying to learn the pronounciation of my native language (Polish), as well as the language I'm learning (Arabic). In both of those languages the trilled r is important, and trying to say my imitations of that sound twice is hard, and often even in normal words those imitations feel unnatural, to the point of my tongue "getting lost" in a normal speech. Also, I'm 26 and I still cannot pronounce it. Despite months of exercising my tongue, with the aid of a speech therapist, the tip of my tongue stubbornly refuses to be even slightly more mobile. For example, I routinely fail with the tapped r in my daily speech (it's one of my substitutes), and when practicing the ddddd (but using the tip of the tongue, not the blade as I've been doing in my ordinary speech) the tongue feels "unresponsive", very much like your arms when you are significantly drunk. And it keeps staying that way despite A LOT of practice and despite a help from the speech therapist
@liambell495
@liambell495 2 жыл бұрын
These videos have helped me finally be able to trill the R. It took quite a bit of practice, but I am able to do it.
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish 2 жыл бұрын
I'm so happy to hear that!
@juliagonzalez9977
@juliagonzalez9977 2 жыл бұрын
What worked for you specifically?
@liambell495
@liambell495 2 жыл бұрын
​@@juliagonzalez9977 Combination of things. Positioning the tongue in the correct position was definitely the big thing. It's ever so slightly different than the way you position the way to pronounce the English t, but it makes all the difference.
@alvaroballon7133
@alvaroballon7133 4 ай бұрын
To be fair, as a native Spanish speaker, it took until I was age 7 for me to start trilling my R’s, and a few more months to get it to a place where it felt natural (yes I remember the process perfectly, and how frustrating it was for me). It’ll just happen if you keep speaking Spanish, but it may take years and years. I remember some kids were even being sent to speech therapy. It’s frustrating for us too.
@michaelsager5688
@michaelsager5688 Ай бұрын
This video is hands down the very best explanation I have ever come across. I was getting closer these last few weeks, watching different KZbin videos but everything changed during this video. I had no idea about the "flat d" sound and the sound created when I do a " flat d" and then roll my tongue up only a few millimeters. I can trill like a jackhammer now! I got it instantaneously! Now, I need to incorporate it into the words I am learning. It will likely take some time to get the subtlety of it within words, but I can trill like a wild man after this video, and I am smiling from ear to ear! Muchos gracias!
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish Ай бұрын
@@michaelsager5688 I'm so happy this worked for you!
@mattheweadams
@mattheweadams 5 ай бұрын
This video helped me a lot. Thank you. There are two things I didn't hear mention that might help as well. It's easier for me to make the trilled r if the air pressure is much higher. Really force the air past the tongue and once it starts vibrating, back it off. Also I think the position of the lips and cheek are important. I have found it's easier if the lips fairly closed and the cheeks at the corner of the mouth are kind of pinched in. Almost like you're making the eww sound.
@ohhhhhhmygodbecky
@ohhhhhhmygodbecky Жыл бұрын
So good! I have always been able to trill but have been struggling to naturally fit it into the words themselves and the sound just entirely collapses. This was so helpful.
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish Жыл бұрын
I'm so glad to hear that!!
@SeanLazer
@SeanLazer Жыл бұрын
I don't understand what that video means by "create a tiny bit of air pressure inside your mouth"
@jairoel
@jairoel Ай бұрын
Just block the path of air with your tongue, expulse the air, just until you feel a bit of tension behind your tongue
@durans_evanidus
@durans_evanidus 8 ай бұрын
Ok, I need to share this. I'm Brazilian (therefore, Latin). Still, I often struggled when trying to pronounce this phoneme (even though we KNOW this sound and how we could make it, he doesn't exist in our language itself, and the great majority of Brazilians don't use it in their dialects, so it still can be difficult as we don't use it), and I was confused on where to place the tip of my tongue. It's pretty wacky that I've learned how to pronounce this Spanish phoneme (of a language which is phonetically similar to Brazilian Portuguese) properly with an (I suppose) American guy, or, anyway, someone who has English as their motherlanguage. This was by far the most unusual way the English language (and having learned it) has ever helped me. Thank you.
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish 8 ай бұрын
I'm so glad this was helpful to you.
@nataliemercier2031
@nataliemercier2031 Жыл бұрын
“And that’s it!” You’re kidding me????? 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish Жыл бұрын
And that's it. Nothing else. Just that. 😊
@737ce
@737ce 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! Another tip is to tilt your head backwards, it makes it easier to hold your tongue in the correct position without tensing it.
@MKG312
@MKG312 Жыл бұрын
Thank you
@Hermanus_
@Hermanus_ 2 ай бұрын
I feel like "learning" these kind of things is only possible after "unlearning" what you've been doing a million times. Unlearning is the most important skills there is--also in general.
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish 2 ай бұрын
@@Hermanus_ interesting perspective. I agree
@qfan8852
@qfan8852 2 жыл бұрын
When I try this, air leaks from both sides of my tongue further back near the rear teeth, making a "double flutter" there. The tongue tip just doesn't move. If I try to stop the side leak then the entire tongue stops fluttering.😢
@tracyw1200
@tracyw1200 2 жыл бұрын
That's exactly my problem too. Hope one of these videos gets into the details of the "air pressure" part.
@andoletube
@andoletube 10 ай бұрын
How did you go resolving this? The key is to seal the sides, but without making the tongue tense. Think of it as just the side edges of the tongue (next to the teeth? making a seal, but the central of the tongue being very relaxed. As soon as I worked out how to do that, it worked.
@fcomega121
@fcomega121 7 ай бұрын
Is still hard as a native spanish speaker to explain it but, Like the air pressure thing is like trying to put a lot of emphasis on a "T", using the english D sound 2:18* just as a placement placeholder Then just trying to let the tongue relax down while doing the strong T, without pulling out the tongue tip/pre-tip as with a normal t, but keeping it in place not so hard/pushy either while producing that small PLOP T sound, pushing a bit of air to the tongue only the tongue tip just like done with the d/t sounds again. strong enough to produce the "T" but soft enough to not make a Spit Th. -It doesn't even has to be so hard, but I might be over experienced by nativity as I can make soft trills just pushing a bit of constant air doing a purrrrr. The rest to go to the final trill goal is hard to explain. But after managing to solve the air leak problem thinking of it as an english D, but voiceless as a "strong T", then just blowing a bit more of air into the tongue like a constant purr and optionally (but common for every trill in general) vibrating the vocal cords too, should help.. I hope at least helps :3
@haha6m
@haha6m Ай бұрын
Same problem here.
@hansmahr8627
@hansmahr8627 Ай бұрын
You don't need to seal the sides of your tongue, that's not how Spanish speakers do it. The important point is that you need to relax your tongue, otherwise it won't work. The best way to get a feel for it is to lie down and just let your tongue lie on the position described in the video (though you can produce a trill at other positions too). Now just push air through, it needs to push its way through between your tongue and the roof of your mouth. It's similar to how you would imitate the sound of a machine gun. If you do it a couple of times lying down with your head bent back, you'll be able to do it in a normal position. The main mistake seems to be that people don't relax their tongue, it needs to be relaxed to start fluttering.
@willbunch01
@willbunch01 5 ай бұрын
If people are still struggling, thats okay. I've been trying for weeks to get it and I've started to be able to do it inconstantly after watching dozens of videos. I believe I understand the issue now, and it's that the trilled r uses muscles in the mouth that native English speakers typically just don't use, and when you don't use a muscle, it deteriorates. Watching videos about rolling rs is like watching videos on how to flex your bicep for someone who has never moved their arm before. Theres no trick or secret, you just need to strengthen the muscle by trying to do it frequently. Use the techniques from different videos and just try to replicate it whenever you're alone. You will not get it immediately. You just want to find those muscles and work them out until they are strong enough to do it. Babies babble for years trying to mimic sounds their parents heard. The only difference between you and the baby is that you never heard this particular sound enough to try to mimic it as a child. So now to get it you basically need to become a baby again and babble until you can do it.
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish 5 ай бұрын
Excellent!
@icestorm_rb9057
@icestorm_rb9057 2 жыл бұрын
Ahh yes, an update to the already great original video. Also, since you did point it out, I just noticed that when I trill my r, it's also asymmetrical, slightly favoring the right side of my tongue. Great videos as always! Greetings from the Philippines!
@MotoM0nk
@MotoM0nk Жыл бұрын
I love how you speak, to the point and use oictures. I struggle to understand when ppl start describing which part of the tongue/mouth should be doing what
@慧-h3w
@慧-h3w Жыл бұрын
I had watched many videos teaching me how to make "rr" sound, just felt confused. But after watching this, I could easily make "rr" sound. Thank you so much for making this video!
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish Жыл бұрын
Congratulations!
@fraupflaume400
@fraupflaume400 Жыл бұрын
This is a good video. I notice that this video like any others that I've watched-none mentions that when you're mouth is dry (and you're first learning), it's a lot harder to make this sound.
@kmg2903
@kmg2903 2 жыл бұрын
These tips combined with hearing you thrill, prrrr and brrrr, as well as speak many words with the thrill made a big difference on finally gaining traction on the first stage, vibration. I am feeling tongue vibrate on roof of mouth, but also uvula vibrating and getting irritated. I'm not able to make r then neutral uh sound. Maybe too forceful of expelled air ? It definitely doesn't feel like gargling by any stretch, but uvula vibrating. I'll keep practicing daily and welcome any other detail or example on what is meant by a "tiny bit of air pressure inside mouth" [minute 5:55]., whilst mouth/lips are actually open. BTW - Thank you also for the excellent and thoughtful practice plan
@alexanderzerka8477
@alexanderzerka8477 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, kind of an important part that's left out in that ambiguous phrasing. I don't know what kind of air pressure he's talking about either.
@jeromejohnson1954
@jeromejohnson1954 3 ай бұрын
I have discernible success with the techniques taught in this video! But my advice is to find as many examples (tutorials) and sample them all. Each teacher has a style and one of those lessons will help you achieve the trilled "R." This teacher just trilled me the right way. Thank you so much! "
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish 3 ай бұрын
@@jeromejohnson1954 Gald it worked for you!
@orhoushmand85
@orhoushmand85 4 ай бұрын
The alveolar trill is completely out of my phonetic inventory. My tongue cannot vibrate at all, and I have no chance to acquire this sound ever.
@grafzhl
@grafzhl 2 ай бұрын
Begins video by acknowledging that words can mean different things to different people, even by example. Proceeds to tell people to create "air pressure" to make the tongue flutter. Is this satire? This is the video equivalent of the "draw the rest of the fucking owl" meme 😂
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish 2 ай бұрын
@@grafzhl I explained why I wouldn't give detailed verbal descriptions of what to do. Then I didn't give them. I said why I wouldn't, then I didn't. However, at around 9:13 into the video I begin describing exercises that when done in sequence will develop the skill.
@leejames6800
@leejames6800 3 күн бұрын
1. Gently place tip of tongue (barely the underside of the tip) against roof of mouth behind the teeth - Check 2. Build up a small amount of air pressure - Check 3. Relax the tip of the tongue and release air - Check 4. Revel in your ability to trill the R - FAIL When I do this I either sound like I'm trying to hiss like a snake or I get some nasty phlegmy sound. I've been actively trying to learn this ever since I began learning Spanish four months ago. My mouth just doesn't work this way.
@ringo1029384756
@ringo1029384756 2 жыл бұрын
For me, it is getting my voice in there. I can find the placement, flutter my tongue and make that kind of guttural noise. But I cannot engage my vocal cords. Still practicing.
@michaelweb7416
@michaelweb7416 2 жыл бұрын
I have the same problem. My tongue is not loose and thin, just fat and wide
@CaleChipzzz
@CaleChipzzz Жыл бұрын
I just figured it out, I wasn't flattening my tongue enough to create a complete closure. It's been years of being made fun of :) great vid
@wayneseex1595
@wayneseex1595 Ай бұрын
Thank you. This works equally well for the alveolar trilled r in Welsh!
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish Ай бұрын
@@wayneseex1595 Glad this worked for you @
@bald_lightning
@bald_lightning 6 ай бұрын
Just been watching to try and hone it beyond just making a horrific sound, and found out it works so much better for me asymmetrical!
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish 6 ай бұрын
Very cool. Works for me best asymmetrical, too.
@drpepper1015
@drpepper1015 Жыл бұрын
i can say “correr, carro” and stuff like like but i cant hold my rolled r’s for long at all! like im able to do it, but i cant hold it and i cant do it without saying a word with it
@lingo4048
@lingo4048 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Good job. French R is still trilled in many regions though, such as Occitanie (30% of the country), Catalogne, French Polynesia, etc. There are 3 Rs in all Romance dialects. Manejar is lenis. Carro is fortis. Para is monovibrante.
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish 2 жыл бұрын
Thank for the contribution to the discussion.
@haha6m
@haha6m Ай бұрын
This is helpful for mentioning the asymmetric trill. I have a similar problem but worse. My trill entirely comes out on two sides while the tip does not trill. I suspect ii is because the tip is tied by the frenulum.
@Sly1h3
@Sly1h3 Жыл бұрын
This really makes me sad. I can roll thy back of my tongue like no ones business but I can't get it going on that position to save my life
@dannygallagherspanish4790
@dannygallagherspanish4790 2 жыл бұрын
watched countless videos. This is the best so far. im closer not there yet but get what needs to be done. in time i hope i will
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! You can do it!
@dannygallagherspanish4790
@dannygallagherspanish4790 2 жыл бұрын
@@tenminutespanish I struggle most with the transition from making the noise whilst rolling tongue which largely i can do... to speaking the words. Its as if the way I do it isn't conducive to talking and I hold my mouth in a way that allows me to roll my tongue solely to make the noise but then not translate into a natural speaking rhythm. Hope that makes sense
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish 2 жыл бұрын
@@dannygallagherspanish4790 I understand. You should be able to roll your tongue with your mouth in any position. I recommend practicing trilling with your mouth in different positions. Get so you can trill while putting your mouth in many different positions.
@dannygallagherspanish4790
@dannygallagherspanish4790 2 жыл бұрын
@@tenminutespanish thanks so much for the feedback. Will work on that next. Guess i missed a step!
@atrinoisa
@atrinoisa Жыл бұрын
My problem is, the only time I can get my tongue to flutter is when the tip is flat to that spot, not curled back...when it's curled back, it's too stiff and won't flutter
@swalla2171
@swalla2171 2 жыл бұрын
This was so simple and easy to follow up until the tongue started fluttering. Retroflex D, got it, air pressure might be iffy though because there is no fluttering at the front. Any vibration ends up in the middle or back of the tongue, I know that's not right. I get closer to a whistle than to a flutter up front , hmm.
@kyky1249
@kyky1249 Жыл бұрын
This is a great video and i quite like it. But i was still having a question that where you got those information on Spanish phonetics and phonology from. I have some of my friends majoring in English linguistics and they use English phonetics and phonology - Peter Roach as a curriculum material. I wondered if there were sources where i could get phonetic transcriptions or IPA transcription for Spanish and French. Thank you ❤
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish Жыл бұрын
You can get books on Spanish phonetics and phonology, but I've found that Spanish linguistics tend to use symbols a bit different from IPA sometimes. It can be confusing going from the Spanish texts I'm familiar with to IPA. If you pay attention to my transcription in these videos, you'll see that I'm sorta inconsistent in my phonetic transcription.
@ilaila3504
@ilaila3504 Жыл бұрын
As the other comment says, your tongue does not vibrate if you let air go over it at that position. It simply makes a silly air sound.
@ContinentalIdiot
@ContinentalIdiot Жыл бұрын
I can trill and I’m still watching this
@andreasimpson9920
@andreasimpson9920 Ай бұрын
The most important part of this video is from 2:45 through 4:07. Especially 3:45 where it shows a real tongue. If you keep your tongue up against the ridge area before you exhale the air, the air flow will be blocked. I don't have a soft, flappy tongue. As soon as I lift my tongue, it tends to get firm and not relax. So I focused on my tongue position and pressure. Then I focused on how much air I need to exhale and the force of it. It's not perfect, but I've gotten some vibrations. I don't know how I'm going to work it into words 🤷🏽‍♀️ but I'll keep trying. 😊
@nickyong1418
@nickyong1418 2 жыл бұрын
This is by far the most helpful video on how to trill your Rs. I'm finally able to trill my Rs after years of frustration!
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish 2 жыл бұрын
I'm so happy to hear that!
@KA-in6sx
@KA-in6sx 18 күн бұрын
I also trill asymmetrically, but I do it on the left side.
@AgnesReynaud-z6z
@AgnesReynaud-z6z 4 ай бұрын
I once heard a good trick about this type of R It ‘s the same in Arabic and the trick for the Arabic R was to try to do it with the side of the tongue instead of with the tip. Another trick was to flatten the tongue so that it touches the back teeth and trill with the front part It worked for me, my Rs are slightly better. Another thing I heard was that each tongue is different and trills in a different way. 😉
@georgeofhamilton
@georgeofhamilton 8 ай бұрын
For everyone having trouble with these kinds of videos, just be aware that some people’s tongue anatomy isn’t conducive to trilling like this. You might have an especially muscular or short tongue that makes trilling virtually impossible.
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish 8 ай бұрын
If that were true, we'd see a spectrum of variation in the ability of native speakers to trill, when in fact we see virtually none. A small percentage of native speakers can't trill, and this is considered a speech impediment, but there is no evidence that this is because of variation in tongue anatomy. Of course, almost every student of Spanish who can't figure out how to trill believes that he/she has a physical impediment. This is almost certainly not the case.
@georgeofhamilton
@georgeofhamilton 8 ай бұрын
@@tenminutespanish Without careful examination of learners’ mouths, this seems more of a statistics game. How many of those native speakers are non-Hispanic in race? What is the actual percentage of naive speakers who can’t trill? What’s the percentage of Spanish learners who fail to ever learn to trill? If the speech impediment is not because of tongue anatomy, then what is it-palate shape or nervous system anatomy? Seems a little premature to just say that the large portion of learners who will never be able to trill are all just failing to follow instructions.
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish 8 ай бұрын
@@georgeofhamilton What makes you think careful examination of people's mouths hasn't been done? People get degrees in Speech and Language Pathology. It's a whole science. And there are specialists in this in Spanish speaking countries. I urge you to do some reading on it. Apart from some well-known conditions such as tongue tie (ankyloglossia) there is no anatomical tongue variation associated with inability to trill r. There are native Spanish speakers of every race. Native Spaniards are white European. Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, and Cuba have a lot of African ancestry. Many Latin American countries have indigenous Americans. Peru has large numbers of Asians. There isn't any phenotype of humans that appears to have a disadvantage in trilling r. What's more, Spanish isn't the only language that trills r. Italian, Russian, Arabic, Scottish Gaelic, Polish, European Portuguese, Serbian and Croatian, Turkish, and other languages have a trilled r sound. The original peoples who speak these languages are phenotypically very diverse. But what's more, in modern times there are native speakers of these languages from every race on earth. If any significant number of people were anatomically incapable of trilling r, it wouldn't be a phoneme in so many languages. Think about it. A phoneme is critical for conveying linguistic information. If a significant proportion of the population can't make the sound, or if there is a lot of variation in how the sound is produced based on tongue anatomy, the phoneme can't persist as a useful element. This is basic phonology. And statistics aren't a "game". They're very useful in fleshing out questions like this. If tongue size and shape were critical to the quality of trilled r, there would be variation in the sound approximating a bell curve. Moreover, men would trill differently from women; fat people would trill differently from skinny people; people of one race would trill differently from another, etc. None of this is the case. And statistics are very useful in making this case. Native speakers are able trill with almost no exception. (The exception being people with the speech impediment I mentioned.) Non-native speakers who come from a language with no trill have a harder time, and large numbers of them believe they are anatomically incapable. They aren't. They just haven't figured it out. If you want to make the argument that there is a lot of variation in ability to trill r depending on tongue anatomy, it is incumbent upon you to demonstrate that native speakers of languages that trill r do so differently depending on tongue anatomy. I argue that it is self evidenly not the case. Anyone who has visited any country where they speak a language with trilled r will observe that essentially everyone in a given region pronounces it the same way. (Of course there are dialectal differences, but those are regional, not based on tongue anatomy.)
@georgeofhamilton
@georgeofhamilton 8 ай бұрын
@@tenminutespanish The facts that you state may be true, and I’ll accept most of them at face value since this issue doesn’t very much concern me and it would be a waste of time to research this subject in depth. But you still don’t establish with certainty that most people who struggle with trilling are simply not utilizing the correct technique. Ankyloglossia can be present in as much as ten percent of the population, depending on the accepted definition. I’d say that anywhere over two percent could account for the multitudes of people who claim to never be able to trill. These people include the commenters on this tutorial who complain that in every tutorial, there’s a missing “magic step” between relaxing and positioning the tongue correctly, and producing a trill. That magic step is a failure to identify and explain the intimate mechanics and prerequisites of trilling. If a tutorial could say with certainty that “You need to exercise and build up the anterior end of the tongue muscle” or “The contact area of your tongue should be in a two-to-three ratio with the width of your palate,” it would be more helpful, but it seems that virtually all tutorials assume that this level of detail isn’t necessary. And we only mentioned one kind of speech impediment. Furthermore, you yourself mention some variation that exists in trilling in your video: some people including yourself naturally trill more asymmetrically, and you are yet incapable of trilling symmetrically. It may not sound very different to the human ear, but it’s a clear mechanical difference. This could have a lot of possible reasons, including the shape of your tongue, your jaw, your palate, your teeth, and your nervous system. Maybe it’s important to practice trilling from an early age as well to effect the proper phenotype and coax the mouth to mature in a certain way. It’s conceivable that slight further variation could result in a person’s incapability to trill at all. If what you say about demographics is true, perhaps this isn’t closely correlated with race. But that doesn’t preclude other anatomical variation. So, you can say that most people who struggle with trilling are ultimately capable of it, and I wouldn’t doubt it. But to dismiss the idea that the issue could be anatomical is, again, premature. Here and now, doing so lacks justification.
@georgeofhamilton
@georgeofhamilton 8 ай бұрын
@@tenminutespanish You aren’t removing my comments, are you? Edit: Maybe not, but I just posted a long reply that seems to have disappeared.
@melissakuipers7034
@melissakuipers7034 Жыл бұрын
I learned to relax my tongue by holding my head back, placing my tongue in the right place, blow and my tongue vibrated to roll the r.
@mmmmmmmmmmichelle
@mmmmmmmmmmichelle 7 ай бұрын
WOW! I can finally do it. Thank you so much!
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish 7 ай бұрын
I'm so happy to hear this worked for you.
@musicredsubaru
@musicredsubaru 2 жыл бұрын
I trill asymmetrically too. When I try to trill symmetrically, I notice that my tongue stiffens a little bit, and the tip of the tongue goes from [ɖ] to [d] but still just behind the alveolar ridge. Strange. Anyway, thanks for the description at the start. Your explanation is way more effective.
@jon6288
@jon6288 Жыл бұрын
WTF does "create a tiny bit of air pressure" mean?? Am i supposed to close my mouth so I can increase the pressure inside my oral cavity?? Or am i just supposed to blow air out of my mouth? Neither seems to do anything!
@mariosskordos9177
@mariosskordos9177 Жыл бұрын
As a speaker of Greek, which definitely has a trilled R just like Spanish, I can make my tongue vibrate instinctively. It feels weird that people from other cultures, such as English, can't even understand how to make the sound.
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish Жыл бұрын
It is very interesting how difficult it can be to make the fine neuromuscular adjustments necessary to pronounce the sounds of other peoples' languages, when native speakers of those languages have no problem making those same sounds. I know a native Russian speaker who can't (or won't?) pronounce the English "th" sound. Instead of "thanks", she says "sh-tanks". She has been living in the US for 25 years and has a job at a university. And lots of people from many language backgrounds pronounce English voiced "th" as in "these and those" like a /d/: "dese" and "dose". It's a very curious fact about learning a foreign language, that that language may contain sounds that you can't even figure out how to produce, and even if you're technically capable of producing the sound, can't develop the habit of producing correctly in streams of natural speech.
@basicdays
@basicdays 2 жыл бұрын
I guess one thing I want to make sure I'm thinking about correctly, is how the sides of the tongue are in relation to the teeth. The exact moment before pronouncing the English [d] I seem to have a complete pressure seal between my tongue, my molars, and the upper ridge. When releasing that air pressure, I think I'm symmetrically releasing my tongue from both sides of the tongue at the molars and the ridge. I'm guessing besides the tongue tip placement being different, I should expect the way the tongue is releasing the air pressure to be roughly the same? This is actually a bit different than what I had been trying all these years, where I'm only letting the pressure escape at the tip of my tongue instead of all sides, creating a weird whistling noise. Will still need to practice, not sure if I'm keeping my tongue too tense after pressure release, but I guess this is one more mystery solved in my quest to make this sound.
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish 2 жыл бұрын
The pressure release is roughly symmetrical all the way around.
@tinynhhouse5467
@tinynhhouse5467 Жыл бұрын
Thank you. I am learning Spanish with comprehensible input.
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish Жыл бұрын
Good luck to you! Thanks for the comment!
@judylindow2739
@judylindow2739 Жыл бұрын
Yep. The best. omg. you wouldn't believe what's out there. Using in words and sentences is def. the important last step. Want to use this for singing in Italian -- however, outside of listening to someone sing a particular song ... I'm still a little confused about when they're strong, weak, or no rolls.
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish Жыл бұрын
I think rules for Italian for trill vs. tap are different from Spanish, and lots of people who sing in Italian aren't natives and get it wrong. I recommend you research it.
@xonx209
@xonx209 10 ай бұрын
I also followed lots of this type of video but couldn't do it. All I could do was vibrate the sides of my tongue. One day I decided to start with this side vibration and try to move it to the tip and that's how I finally got tongue trill.
@boguebanks1
@boguebanks1 2 жыл бұрын
I've been trying to trill my r's since I started learning Spanish at age 9. I'm almost 50 now and still can't really do it. I can usually do the sound in isolation, but I have trouble adding it to a word or sentence in a natural way. I feel like I have to stop, trill the r, stop, and then continue. It's especially difficult in a word like "ferrocarril" where I keep stopping and starting. I think I need to work on trilling the r without thinking about it so hard. I've been learning Catalan lately and it's even harder because practically every r is trilled. I'm glad to know that an asymmetrical trill is OK and I don't have to keep working on vibrating only the tip of my tongue. My trill, when I can do it, also goes around the right side of my tongue. I also find I tend to blow too hard, which combined with the stopping and starting, really calls attention to how hard I am trying. The word comes out more like "ferr o carr il" or even "fe rr o ca rr il" rather than "ferrocarril" because I can't make it flow. I am going to keep working on it. At least I know I am physically able to make the sound. I always wondered if my tongue was too fat or too muscular or had some other anatomical problem that made the trill impossible. I need to work on relaxing my tongue. I tend to clench my jaw and I think tensing up the tongue goes along with that.
@AkLO97
@AkLO97 7 ай бұрын
As soon as I put my tongue where it was when I pronounced the “d” sound I got it!!!! Thank you!
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish 7 ай бұрын
I'm so happy you figured it out.
@sledgehog1
@sledgehog1 3 ай бұрын
That's interesting. I trill the R perfectly but the point of the tongue where it connects is the top of the tip, not the part shown in the video, meaning it's the upper part of the tip, not the lower or lower-middle. I guess everyone needs to find what works out the best to produce the phoneme.
@BoostA_Car
@BoostA_Car Жыл бұрын
I can actually vibrate my throat and make the exact same sound but some words I can’t do it with.
@alextsvetkov3211
@alextsvetkov3211 Жыл бұрын
as someone who natively speaks with a trilled R, alot of native speakers have asymmetrical ones, rare few cant even do it, also its fine if it dies out after a while its not like ur saying perrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrro yk.
@MotoM0nk
@MotoM0nk Жыл бұрын
Trilled R in Spanish sounds much like Russian R in some words where R is followed by a vowel
@rodneyquinn2528
@rodneyquinn2528 Жыл бұрын
Anyone else able to vibrate tongue but when ever the roll occurs it feels like its coming from the tonsel and back of throat? Really hard to get right
@MelaninMan247
@MelaninMan247 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video! Comforting to know that an asymmetrical trill is normal, I thought it was just me getting it wrong as my tongue tends to go towards the left when I do it
@fatemehnoorani7181
@fatemehnoorani7181 Жыл бұрын
same here, my tongue flips towards the left too and i didn't realise that until he said further in the video lol
@evaaicrag
@evaaicrag 3 ай бұрын
It took me 5 years to finally be able to pronounce the German R. Don’t give up and just keep trying.
@dano5663
@dano5663 Жыл бұрын
Hi thanks for this, interestingly I cannot trill an R this way at all, I just make strange noises! however if I place my tongue tip ahead of the D sound test area of the mouth, instead of behind it I get a perfect 'R' trill. My tongue vibrates perfectly just behind my front upper teeth i.e. a quick "R" vibration for single letter R in Spanish and prolong the vibration for double spanish RR words. To be more specific there is a slight rise in the gum behind the 2 front upper teeth, I tend to bounce the rrr vibration off that, works great. I will however practice both methods to see if I can crack this method, great video and thanks again.
@themasterseiga
@themasterseiga 2 жыл бұрын
I love your high level of specificity...it really helps. I'm curious if you know anything about how Spanish evolved to have this trilled r? It is a quite noticeable feature and occurs more frequently than any language I've heard. I dare say it is the only language that systematically does this.
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Spanish trilled r comes from it's Latin precursor. Italian has a very similar trilled r.
@AVBolt
@AVBolt Жыл бұрын
Apparently we used to trill in "proper" English..
@lauren1978
@lauren1978 Жыл бұрын
I feel like Italian has even more trilled rs. Also a lot of Slavic languages have it too
@brinosaurier6058
@brinosaurier6058 Жыл бұрын
Can anyone help? I can get the retroflex English d just fine and I can get a complete seal. But whenever I try to do the next step: "create a tiny bit of air pressure in your mouth - the tongue flutters" it just doesn't. The air comes out in spurts - either not at all, since the amount of air that I try to breather out doesn't break the seal; or in a long flow, when there's enough air to break the seal but the tongue doesn't flutter "in the wind", it just stays down. If it does move back up, the seal is complete again. It's like the air flow is either on or off. I've tried varying the amount of air pressure (how forcefully or soft I try to breathe out), the pressure with which I place the tongue in the retroflex position, moving my tongue further back or more to the front, and I've tried to relax the tip of the tongue as much as possible, so it can flutter - but whenever I do that, it just drops down and lets the air out unhindered. Do you have any tips on what I could try to make this work? Doing the same thing over and over again without any difference in results is quite demotivating.
@naranjo5277
@naranjo5277 Жыл бұрын
try to curve the point of your tongue inwards and move it up and down
@shob8516
@shob8516 2 жыл бұрын
I was able to flutter my tongue before, but couldn't use it in speech bc it was hissy & I was doing it against my teeth and had to strain my jaw to do it (ig you'd call it an interdental trill?) Anyway this video helped a lot with my placement and a few weeks later I now have a much more relaxed and natural sounding trill, and can finally use it in speech great video
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish 2 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad to hear that! Great job!
@steph_chaos
@steph_chaos Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I just sound like I'm choking lol. I was able to follow until the part where you add air pressure to trill
@bmi9198
@bmi9198 2 жыл бұрын
Hey there, quick question: How exactly do I make air pressure in this position? All the air flies out from the sides of my tongue. I understand the manner and location of articulation, but I cannot for the life of me get my tongue to do this. I know I can, since my native dialect of English uses Alveolar tap quite extensively, so I don’t want to give up on this sound as I’m on the C1 threshold of Spanish and this is the main sound I have yet to master in my pronunciation. Thank you for the video! It was very high quality.
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish 2 жыл бұрын
If the air flies out the sides, you're making pressure, you're just not sealing the sides of the tongue to the upper gum line. You have to make a seal and channel the air out the front.
@blakemccollum7030
@blakemccollum7030 Жыл бұрын
I have this problem as well, however for me the problem seems go be a tooth I have that grew in kinda weird so I can't really seal my tounge on the sides very well. I can however get the side of my tounge to vibrate if I press the tip into that weird tooth. But that doesn't help me because I have to move it back and to the side which is really unnatural when trying to speak. Any advice?
@hamuandxerxl4255
@hamuandxerxl4255 2 жыл бұрын
I tried this position of the tongue and the tip won't flutter. I relax, I do everything you say (not only you, but dozens of other instructors on YT) and there isn't the slightest movement in the tip. Simply never. All I have been able to do, is move the R from the back of the troat towards the middle of the tongue, but it never affects the tip. Okay, it does flutter when I stick it out like a baby and blow, but only then. And no, weak motor skills is not the problem, I'm a dancer and speak many languages (practicing my mouth's motor skills on a daily basis since I was ten). But after 20 years of struggling I find myself quite discouraged. To be honest I think that there must be more of a genetic component to it; my babysister has always been able to trill her R (and that's not even part of our mother tongue).
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish 2 жыл бұрын
If there were a genetic component to it, we'd expect to see variability in different human groups. But we don't. People of every conceivable face shape appear to be equal in their inherent ability to trill. The only exceptions appear to be people with observable significant anatomical variations, such as tongue tie or cleft palate.
@ganojanso447
@ganojanso447 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you sooo much, you've changed my life.
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish 2 жыл бұрын
I'm so happy you've found this video useful.
@Julia-fw5yd
@Julia-fw5yd 2 жыл бұрын
This is so helpful, thank you! Question: Should it sound like a bee buzzing as you are trying to create the vibration? That’s all I’m getting. ( I also end up vibrating my lips!) Just wanted to make sure before I keep practicing it over and over.
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure how to answer your question. In this video I pronounce trilled r many times. It should sound like that. No lips.
@Julia-fw5yd
@Julia-fw5yd 2 жыл бұрын
@@tenminutespanish Ah yes, well, I haven’t been able to vibrate my tongue yet. So am I trying to practice something at this point? Or just keep playing with how I place my tongue, then relaxing it (my tongue) and pushing air through it? So far all this sounds like is a buzzing bee
@M_Renée627
@M_Renée627 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Julia. Try focusing on activity @ 10:38 mimick his sound 'with flair'. Up til then, nothing trilled for me. Suddenly with Gandulf in mind trills came out with each English word. Relax and let it flow. Good luck
@S0ci0stan
@S0ci0stan 24 күн бұрын
Rolling your rs is primarily genetic and some people just can't do it at all. So I can force air over my tongue and get it to vibrate just fine, but it sounds *NOTHING* like a rolled r, more like an autistic lawnmower. The problem is the tongue position: If I position my tongue as shown in this video (with it slightly curled) and try to build up air pressure, the air just goes out the sides. *HOWEVER* when I relax and flatten my tongue more I can force air over it and vibrate it perfectly. Curling the tongue in that position just cuts off the airflow completely.
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish 23 күн бұрын
@@S0ci0stan It is not primarily genetic. People who grow up in Spanish speaking countries trill the r, regardless of their genetic heritage. I, personally, know native Spanish speakers of Scandinavian descent, English descent, Japanese descent, and African descent, in addition to the races and ethnicities one expects to find, such as Spanish and indigenous. All of these people have an equally easy time acquiring trilled r in childhood and trill r with exactly the same ease. What's more, I know second-language Spanish students from every race and ethnicity from every corner of the globe who trill the r. There is zero reason to believe that trilling r is genetic, or that most people who can't trill r have a an inherited or developmental physical impairment that prevents them from trilling. In 99.9% of cases, they just haven't figured out how to do it yet. Of course, most people who haven't figured out how to do it yet arrive at the conclusion that they're physically incapable. This is an extremely, extremely common thing for people to say.
@MusiicRoolz
@MusiicRoolz 19 күн бұрын
there's nothing genetic about it lol unless you don't have a tongue
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish 17 күн бұрын
@@MusiicRoolz Good point! This made me laugh, but I think there's a serious point to be made here. Trilling r is not primarily genetic. But NOT being able to trill r (the tiny percentage of people who are physically incapable) may be genetic.
@Lottie.Bronte
@Lottie.Bronte Жыл бұрын
Does anyone else just sound like a buzzing bee? My cat is seriously worried. I’ve spent days buzzing like a bee. The only thing I’ve achieved is being able to now whistle with my tongue instead of my lips!
@brittanyulbrich6734
@brittanyulbrich6734 3 күн бұрын
clearly my tongue is broken
@kerriganunknown
@kerriganunknown Жыл бұрын
people need to stop making these videos. there are so many videos on how to roll r's because no one actually knows how to explain it. just stop. and the comments are all the same. 'I can finally do it." No you cant. People can vibrate their tongue, it doesnt mean they can roll their r's.
@RickrollFoot
@RickrollFoot Жыл бұрын
The last part is really good, you should focus on that too
@GilMeansJoy
@GilMeansJoy 7 ай бұрын
This was helpful in learning what the tongue is expected to do, but I am completely lost on the air pressure bit. Any air just passes around the tongue because only the tip is up by the palate. Now, I feel like I have a speech impediment.
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish 7 ай бұрын
6:35. With the tongue touching the roof of the mouth in the retroflex position, the tongue makes an airtight seal. Does just the tip of your tongue touch when pronouncing a [d] sound? No, it doesn't. Cause if it did, air would leak out on the sides.
@tartzmir7934
@tartzmir7934 Жыл бұрын
My tounge can't even flutter, it just tenses up when I apply air pressure
@sahlaysta3399
@sahlaysta3399 Жыл бұрын
I DID IT. I ROLLED MY R.
@tenminutespanish
@tenminutespanish Жыл бұрын
Congratulations!!
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