The Best Underbarrel Grip & Are Recoil Springs Worth it? (Black Ops 6)

[@PlatfootNL]

I like that attachments actually improve your guns. In previous games it felt like every attachment had just as many cons as it had pros, and you often had to run a second attachment to counter the negatives of the first one

[@DonDeLem]

Personally I liked that system because multiple setups can be viable, but this is definitely better for the casual community who just wants to log on and play. It's also more similar to the old style of attachments in which only one attachment helped with a certain aspect of your setup.

[@ignasias]

A lot of these attachments feel pointless though, particularly the ones that only affect diving accuracy

[@liammbiscwit]

But it led to soo many builds and variety. In this game, you basically have like 1 setup and then copy and paste to all guns. Like the gunsmith isn't really worth it in this game and just had the base guns and sights

[@NormalSuitNick]

The gunsmith honestly just feels incredibly one-dimensional this year. Like there’s one or two good builds per weapon and that’s pretty much it. The event attachments do seem promising, but Treyarch just aren’t very imaginative when it comes to weapon design beyond the rigid archetypes for each class.

[@megajoe721]

@@NormalSuitNickyeah like improving recoil is probably going to be the best build for most weapons lol

[@monkeymanpc]

Watching these at work because all I can think about is the camo grind

[@vondoom9443]

Right

[@cipherpac]

Real

[@mash2481]

They got us

[@vic7126]

😂

[@jessecardenas5223]

Thats an addiction fam

[@jflevine93]

For the Marksman grip, you can set the hold breath feature to toggle on controller and adjust the ads while focusing sensitivity to a higher or lower value depending on your preference and weapon. You can tap focus as soon as you begin aiming and it will immediately apply it. I use this for sniper rifles at long range with a lower sensitivity and it helps immensely.

[@rubenbaldwin8413]

I use it exactly like this on ARs and some SMGs. Muscle memory now.

[@castnoshadow82lr48]

Yep I’m mainly running vertical + springs on anything I can get it on to be honest especially if I’m running gunfighter. But I take your point and maybe I’m going to start using the ranger for my smg’s. I love the fast mag attachments. I was an old school sleight of hand kind of guy it annoys the hell out of me that’s not a perk anymore

[@Kyle-nm1kh]

Only way to get faster reloads is to lower your clip size. Which means it's only truly good in hard-core mode

[@razorsharpx89x]

Me too, but i think they will bring back the slight of hand perk in future event

[@shmoggy417]

I wish the recoil springs weren't useless on some guns and were consistent. A 5% improvement isn't worth it, like on the Kompact

[@SsjRedneck]

I feel its useful when u stack with at least 1 other recoil attachment

[@uvogin3267]

Yeah that’s when you usually notice the true power of recoil springs. Either a fire grip or a compensator

[@WillissoG]

None of the guns have much recoil anyway

[@nickniehaus1763]

You should use rapid fire on the Kompakt

[@nickniehaus1763]

@@WillissoGthis is not true lmao

[@megacluckcluck2302]

Looking forward to a rear grip analysis in the future!

[@powerg3824]

Some of the s-curve recoil patterns on these guns are so hard to control. It reminds me of the ram9 last year. Even though it was a top gun on paper, many people didnt start using it till we had those DLC attachments that really helped with horizontal control.

[@DCKINGS2319]

You talk about the weekly challenges not the DLC attachment

[@powerg3824]

@DCKINGS2319 yeah the weekly

[@jodaniels469]

I tended to choose the precision grip because of it's influence on idle sway. I now learned about the idle sway delay and think I'm going to opt for the vertical grip in the future because Idle sway doesn't have as much influence as I thought. Especially because I tend to play rather aggressive and don't hold ADS for that long a time that it will be an issue

[@GoesWithTheNameOfGTJ]

Can't wait for the analysis of the rear grips, since I'm really on the fence between the quick draw grip and ergonomic grip

[@Kyle-nm1kh]

If you use a strelok laser, then ADS speed is less important. So maximizing sprint to fire on rear grip + strelok laser is a good combo

[@clintmccabe6904]

@@Kyle-nm1khthanks for the tip I didn’t even think about that. I’m always running that laser too it’s super good

[@bboynewsboy991]

Thank goodness this guy does these kinds of videos

[@clintb3927]

Can't wait for rear grip video. I do wonder if slide to fire matters when you slide cancel

[@DrakoWulf]

Recoil Springs is a very helpful attachment on the AS-VAL, because it can't have muzzle attachments as an integrally suppressed gun. It's a gun that really needs the help outside of close range, especially with how much they nerfed the damage range.

[@ps3beatswii]

I'm dreading doing that one. I effectively have to waste an unlock on a gun that is horrible at the range I'm most likely to use it.

[@DrakoWulf]

@@ps3beatswii Having the long barrel, recoil springs, and vertical grip instantly transforms the gun.

[@OhhhPez]

@@ps3beatswii if you have the battle pass the AS Val is in there, with blueprints acting as permenant unlocks in this game

[@shannonjones8877]

​@@ps3beatswiido NOT use any permanent unlocks on weapons. I just prestiged last night and the only AR that was unavailable for me at lv 1 was the GPR.

[@wiggyj5795]

@@OhhhPez no it isn’t?

[@vidarCRC]

I use the recoil springs for DMR's. They've worked wonders for me.

[@RockSmacker]

going for headshots with the slug pump shotgun, and weirdly i found the lightweight grip made a HUGE difference to my ability to get headshots on nuketown. it does have a lot of idle sway and reducing that seemed to make my shots at medium range much more accurate

[@reecedeyoung6595]

@@RockSmacker Nothing weird about that. Most oneshot guns have massive idle sway and will benefit from lightweight grip.

[@AC-hj9tv]

Nice

[@DoktorSammich]

Thanks for the recoil springs info, gun kick reduction always slips my mind. It probably works wonders on guns like the AK74 and DM10. Otherwise, it’s case dependent ranger/horizontal grip. I try to limit bursts to avoid that horizontal recoil bump that kicks in after 10 or so rounds fired for most guns. I really enjoy the recoil mechanics this year, and I think the decision to divide vertical and horizontal recoil control over two attachment slots worked out. Yeah Treyarch attachments aren’t as diverse, but I think it makes for a more consistent and easy to balance functionality as opposed to some of the wild attachment traits and diversity of traits per attachment category in IW games.

[@vidarCRC]

It made the DM10 a very good gun for me.

[@PurifiedShino]

These videos really help even for Zombies players.

[@n1ck_knack]

They are handling attachments way better this year compared to mw2 and mw3. Wayyyy easier to understand and not pointlessly bloated. I do not understand why they thought that would be fun in the last 2 games lol

[@nightinxgale7083]

I liked the attachment tuning in MW2. A fully kitted-out gun in this game feels like it is not much better than a stock gun.

[@cvfghjmk]

Tuning was amazing. Why cant they keep the good features going?​@nightinxgale7083

[@VeritabIlIti]

I completely disagree, but I understand where you're coming from. I personally prefer the greater variety and balance of those systems (and frankly, they really weren't that confusing, you just had to build your gun with the cons in mind)

[@EvanSolomonBerger]

I mix the compensator, recoil springs, the vertical foregrip, the chf barrel and the no stock attachment

[@incompetencelogistics8924]

If you're actively going for headshots, the flinch resistance stocks make them way less frustrating at a distance

[@macleod1592]

I bet this video took a looooong time to put together. Thanks for the effort Ace!

[@TheGXDivider]

The event cross for the XMG is awesome.

[@bomric1788]

Zero mention of how the recoil springs has a different value for different weapon classes.

[@ME.archpath1]

Did you happen to test Jason sight Recoil reduction? Is it a true stat?

[@Thoughtful7-x3b]

Thanks for all the work ace!

[@zacbranch2083]

I really like the tradeoff between the recoil springs vs the rapid fire attachments. I'm often adding recoil springs when running a suppressed gun with the CHF barrel and ranger grip, then swapping to rapid fire when running a long barrel with a recoil reducing muzzle attachment and the vertical grip. Both of these setups have felt amazing, and its been fun that the game gives us ways to improve ttk while still balancing our recoil values. I still think a bit more depth to the attachment system would have been appreciated, but I like that attachments have less negatives this year.

[@DavidRealification]

yeah i have used all attachments that improves recoil on high recoil guns and boy it does wonders.

[@oppdriller]

Ive been looking for channel for months lol i couldnt find you and forgot your name . Finally found you my guy

[@BR4JK21]

You couldve included the buffer weight stock as well. Its not a grip but it improves recoil

[@mr_reynard2841]

i personally like the idea to give each attachment category a clear theme which they can follow, but at the moment most categories have one or two attachments that will outclass all others. This will make the other attachments feel useless and also i highlights the tedious task of leveling each weapon

[@sQuaTsiFieD]

Nah I don't like this at all. It really limits customizing the gun for example I can't go all in on mobility while sacrificing recoil or visa versa. I'm all for simplifying attachments and having almost no downsides to them but at least give a mix of stats on some of the stocks and grips. I barely change anything like you said. Also they came out with the new stock that gives crazy recoil stats but with +27% ads. It's essentially useless in MP because there aren't enough ways to balance out that ADS and you end up having even more recoil control attachments that aren't needed on top of it.

[@Cbass]

I like the simplicity in this game but the simplicity removes the creativity within each build. You basically wanna run the same attachments on every gun, not many fun unique builds that are also viable

[@UnshotSpy]

thats why i always say bo4 had the best version of create a class.

[@Jac0b22]

That’s just fine with me. That gunsmith system in the past few games was not my cup of tea

[@lightofthesevenstars]

4:22 word of advice : when u show pics like these where you’re talking about a specific stat, you should edit an arrow next to the stat you’re talking about, so it’s easier to see

[@mikehancho8547]

We need one of these in depth vids on rear grips ASAP

[@CursedWithABlessing]

just hate how backwards they went with visual recoil compared to mw3

[@timwillems1985]

100% this!

[@jeremybrown9611]

Say what, y'all be getting Visual Recoil?

[@timwillems1985]

@@jeremybrown9611 It is common knowledge that the weapons from MW2 had much more visual recoil. They have improved this with the MW3 weapons. With BO6, they are back more to the level of MW2 in terms of visual recoil. I myself am very sensitive to visual recoil. I personally prefer more actual recoil that I can then control through skill and practice and a calm visual, rather than the recoil being easy to control but a jarring scope.

[@GiottoX]

That's why treyarch gunplay is basic af

[@jeremybrown9611]

@@timwillems1985 Nah I'm saying I didn't know folks had that issue with BO6. BO usually has a Lighting issue when it comes to problems with Visibility

[@metal6480]

Your videos helps a lot Ace ❤ can you do a laser visibility test video and how much it affects a gun!

[@InspectorGyattget]

Wish there were more Vertical recoil attachments

[@parkouristbobbyd227]

Nobody seems to be mentioning it, but it the recent community event we unlocked the Buffer Weight stock attachment. It reduces both vertical and horizontal recoil to almost nothing on the XM4. Seems to be almost broken in Warzone

[@Tubenose]

These tests are so helpful! Can't wit for the melee weapon comparisons now that they removed the advanced stats for them

[@mxf3291]

Can you do a gun guide on your fav sniper rifle?

[@drewbixcube]

Great video as usual Ace!!!!!

[@nerdedkyle3515]

I miss being able to have a really good hip fire build like we had in modern warfare 2019 with the MP5 hip fire

[@codyriceandothers]

Me watching this all while thinking about the camo grind 😢

[@Vitamin_jp]

What’s the difference between gun kick and recoil? Is gun kick specifically just the visual component of recoil? Like how back in og mw2 the 44 mag would look like it kicked like a mule, but could still stay on target well because it was all visual?

[@TheXclusiveAce]

Gunkick is partially visual but it also impacts your deviation from the recoil path or “bounciness” of the recoil without impacting the magnitude of the path at all

[@Vitamin_jp]

@ so recoil reduction squishes the recoil pattern so to speak, and gun kick makes your recoil pattern more consistent - less variation mag dump to mag dump. Is that a fair way to put it?

[@markpangilinan7770]

Honestly, I tend to lean in the direction of the ranger foregrip since it helps with the sprinting speed in addition to horizontal recoil control and that’s what I use in zombies. In multiplayer, it’s also my go-to for some agile builds but for the other underbarrel grips, I can’t go wrong with either of them including the recoil springs.

[@SUPERBLINDRHINO]

Ace, just as a comment to improve the recoil charts, you should line the axis of the grid background up with the reference line for the recoil patterns. That way you can get a better idea of before and after based on the grid as well.

[@chaseparker5565]

More perk videos! They are super insightful

[@jkoperator]

I always use recoil springs. They just feel nice to add on any weapon. I would like to see a small buff to them though to where for every weapon the minimum percentage the springs help for those stats to be 10% because some weapons are improved less and it just seems weird to me.

[@SquirtMac17]

Recoil springs in my go to. It’s a great balance since I don’t like using any other muzzle than a suppressor and there’s a lot of vertical recoil

[@nickdurfey2312]

great video, but i still wanna see which underbarrel is the best to pair with the recoil springs for best overall recoil

[@SamsFPS]

I might be crazy, but the ranger seemed to be SIGNIFICANTLY smoother than the others. I wonder if that is a hidden thing that works like recoil smoothness did in mw22? or the non-visual part of firing stability from mw23?

[@SamsFPS]

also weird that it seems to help more here than the grip that improves sway...?

[@publicsafetyhazard]

honestly, i would agree that you're crazy 😂 in all seriousness though, it's probably the best underbarrel because of the sprint and tac sprint speeds. i would definitely say the vertical grip feels the best with smoothening recoil though

[@GF88gaming]

Nice video, I think BO6 underbarrel is the model for twist and adjust according play style rather than fix the gun

[@GreyFromYoutube]

Wonder why there isnt anything for vertical kick or something

[@PatrickKontor]

For holding your breath switching it to toggle helps a lot

[@markeesgill5459]

You t videos are great thanks. Keep it up

[@nik_mik]

So ranger foregrip is just a better version of the precision?

[@Milojensen2nd]

I would love to see if you could implement something that makes it more clear visually how much the recoil is reduced horizontally. I remember in some videos you made a box shape around the whole pattern which i felt worked very well and would clearly show the deviation from the center of the recoil plot better imo!

[@FirerSpartan]

So recoil gun kick is recoil stabilization/firing aim stability?

[@micosworld]

Is there a field upgrade or tactical that allows teammates to see enemy players through walls, like recon?

[@Medeski-Medieval]

My main question is whether or not these recoil attachments stack with each other, and if so if there’s a maximum.

[@bianchi4490]

I think ads should have more idle sway in the beginning than starting after a certain time. like you are trying to adjust your eyes on the target so it becomes easier to control the idle sway.

[@jeffreywweaver]

Random/unrelated thought: this is a great map!

[@landon94]

I wish you would have shown the guns recoil plot with recoil springs vs an under barrel. Just to see if it’s worth it to run recoil springs in place of an under barrel if you had to choose one or the other. Thanks for the video though regardless. Still helpful.

[@killshot3331]

You can test this yourself in the firing range when setting up your class no?

[@landon94]

@@killshot3331 yes. But to be fair I could test every one of these myself lol. I watch the videos so I don’t have to

[@killshot3331]

@@landon94 Yes but sometimes you have to do things yourself instead of counting on somebody to do it for you. Ace puts in hella work for these videos which we all look forward to so if he doesn’t do one little thing you wanted him to do I was just letting you know that you could easily test it yourself in about 30 seconds

[@landon94]

@killshot3331 its not that deep I was just saying I wish he would have. I will definitely test it myself. I appreciate his videos but with anything I do I welcome constructive criticism in hopes I can continue to improve. That’s all I was offering. He can agree or disagree with my suggestion. Regardless, he has some of the best quality cod videos which is why I watch him.

[@TheGamerTheater]

I’m curious too. Did you ever test the recoil springs against the under barrels?

[@callumboyle1206]

hey ace noticed the in game stats list the ranger foregrip as having a +48% con to your ads speed but no cons are listed when viewing the attachment. I assume this is just a bug? lol

[@WayStedYou]

A handful of firearms have the same horizontal bonus plus sprint speed on the ranger foregrip

[@mrsickwick]

Hey Ace, I'd really like to see a video on rear grips, got a few buddies who seriously headcase over them. Also I've been wondering since the game launched if the velocity barrels stack with the overpressured rounds. Thanks man!

[@clevername1349]

So would I be wasting any/all of these attachments with something like the Goblin or the Burst weapons?

[@Bullseye_wb]

With the hold breath grip, there is an option for toggle hold breathe instead of hold for hold breath.

[@xandindj8485]

Recoil springs say "... and lessen the effect of felt recoil on firing." wich I think it means it reduces visual recoil, but I didn't test this. During your testing did you notice a difference on visual recoil when you equipped this? If yes, how much?

[@jenlvjim]

I wish you would've showed the recoil springs and under barrel together pattern

[@BAMozzy69]

I like the fact the attachments are beneficial and ALL do the SAME thing on EVERY gun you can attach them too. It's so much simpler and better than the Previous Modern Warfare 2/3 systems... Tuning and the weird unlocking and monumentally complex menus made weapon building a joke - at least the Quartermaster Suppressor and Paracord Grip were 'simple' choices...

[@alastor1227]

Nah now every gun is basic and you can only run the same setup on every gum with no variation

[@bomric1788]

They don't do the same thing on every weapon class.

[@alastor1227]

@bomric1788 there's not much variation which is true. In Mw3 you could make the goofiest gun but at least it was different. Using slugs with whole different attachments was great

[@jordanbrown3660]

Hey, are you going to be doing gun guides on the rest of the assault rifles?

[@TheXclusiveAce]

Of course, I cover every gun in the game. Tomorrow will be another AR episode

[@davidhinson8821]

Semi autos would have probably been nice to test as well. Especially the idle sway because of delay between shots

[@alexmaurice4274]

Marksman is honestly so cool imo, I do wish it was a toggle hold breath thing

[@edaw9214]

There’s a setting you can change to make it toggle instead of hold.

[@DonDeLem]

I also find it awkward to hold your breath on full-auto weapons but these recoil plots make it look like too good of an option to not use. Definitely gonna put that on the AK and probably an LMG.

[@ImSerg]

For marksman grip, change hold breath to press to hold breath if you’re on controller.

[@eric-yt]

The target laser is SOOO underrated

[@rambler6746]

Could you do a video on FMJ? Heard it doesnt increase dmg on armored zombies nor manglers only collateral

[@jbbauson1400]

I was trying to build a long range xm4 and accidentally came across 2 scopes helping with recoil gun kick (willis 3x and jason armory 2x) at -30%. Cons are ads / sprint to fire are affected. But still manageable. i have tac sprint on instant so i normally sprint to fire anyways so any close range encounters I can get the gun up pretty quick. Very accurate (compensator, vert foregrip, recoil springs, willis 3x) or change up a few things like vert grip to ranger for a bit more movement with infil stock.

[@eliterusher17]

I believe precision grip is the best way to go if you want to accurately snap unto the target and have the skill to kill the enemy within 10 shots, or at least less than 15 shots. With precision grip you are eliminating any randomness to your gunfights and have the piece of mind knowing you will snap unto the target exactly where your cross-hairs are

[@juddm8301]

Can we do what lasers are the best for smgs?

[@nicktubby9710]

As a zombies-only player. I always run the lightweight foregrip so I can shoot the cans for free Deadshot.

[@zXPeterz14]

If you have a controller with the back paddles the marksman grip is amazing. Can beam people across the map

[@CalebMay-bf1ci]

I definitely put the recoil springs on the ak with precision foregrip And the DM10 and the C9

[@asianrollzz648]

I should of never used the ranger grip for MP, now without it, I feel slow af😂😂

[@DarthSpecky]

It’s nice on the Ames, I believe

[@asianrollzz648]

@@DarthSpecky I use it on most ARs for the lil more aggro builds, since most maps are small

[@cvfghjmk]

Try using an LMG. That's slow af

[@noahgoldowitz]

Thank you for these videos

[@williamjohnson2225]

Need a muzzle video. Does the compensator really give first kick recoil control? Is it worth using

[@undeadf]

.......bud 20 seconds in

[@JunoJPG]

recoil springs is probebly my fav attachment in this game

[@Twice-RE]

For the marksmen ive been using it as a toogle instead or hold and its decent only used it on the model l tho

[@timwillems1985]

Thnx man! But what about visual recoil? The most important for me.

[@rpwii928]

What scopes have glint in Black Ops 6

[@richardburedi]

Please share your thoughts on rear grips. Specifically ergonomic vs cqb

[@Labronzo34]

Hey I know this is off topic but is fast hands in this game fast enough the speeds seem slow

[@GoogleLogin-xi8sy]

The best grip is gentle, yet firm, with eye contact.

[@jeremel689]

I'm not sure if this is just me, but I've been noticing the trophy system not intercepting certain lethal and tactical items and even with having a trophy system down in front of me for a while, then dying by a impact grenade or a flash bang going off and not being intercepted

[@MyHandsRCold]

I don’t know what its like now, but in the beta one of my friends who is on MnK used that marksman grip (with the hold breath thing) and he was convinced he got aim assist when holding breath even on mouse, thought it was something worth pointing out

[@dakotaseidel23]

Is there any gun that you would suggest that would benefit more from Aiming idle sway attachments as opposed to recoil control ones

[@randybobandy6020]

I'd say snipers or single shot marksman rifles

[@SlCKNESS_]

Vertical Grip is a bit of a "placebo", cause half the guns don't even have that much of a horizontal recoil. Not sure why it's so popular, at least in the comments.

[@SamsFPS]

from my experience, it calculates recoil reduction on a shot by shot basis, so different ROF tends to make things scale weird, and not exactly line up with %

[@MVPlaymaker]

Early unlock attachment. Guess people just don't want any potential horizontal as unless the gun has big jumps between shots you can quite easily manage vertical recoil

[@incompetencelogistics8924]

Most people play on a controller where memorizing spray patterns are a lot harder than with a mouse.

[@veryevilgamers]

needs more long range plots for idle sway, it makes a big difference on certain weapons

[@fabianruedas9716]

So vertical is the best ?

[@antuanpatterson4721]

Can you do a video on the rapid fire attachment

[@Minimous]

So useful as always, thanks

[@Hoserzzz]

I'm still not super clear, what exactly is gun kick? Is it visual bounce or an actual recoil mechanic that affects aim?

[@Vurawn410]

Was wondering about this myself

[@TheXclusiveAce]

Both visual as well as actual deviation from the recoil path. So basically the “bounciness” of the gun as it follows the path