The BEST Version of the Clone Wars that Casuals Have Never Even Heard of

[@CommanderSummit]

I loved how Star Wars: Republic actually felt like a real war. There’s too much good shit in it; Durge, Quinlan Vos, the grey tone, the Alpha ARCs, Jabiim, Dookus Acolytes I can go on.

[@waifukitten5726]

where do i buy

[@67thCloneSquadron]

I love the Republic comics. Especially how it gave a lot of nuance to the Seperatists.

[@UGNAvalon]

Now THIS is how I always imagined the Clone Troopers to be: Brutally efficient in fulfilling the mission, no matter the cost, whether civilians’ lives or their own. It perfectly captures how these Troopers could go from ignoring fallen comrades in their first true combat engagement, to coldly gunning down their respected Jedi generals at the end of the war, even with years of experience supposedly softening their cold instincts. “Sorry, General. Orders are orders.” _Blam!_

[@UGNAvalon]

The 3D Clone Wars series did a great job in “humanizing” the Troopers, but honestly, I think it went too far in that direction. It felt impossible for these friendly guys to become coldblooded killers that could turn on you in an instant, much less enforcers for a brutal totalitarian regime. These comics show that not-so-subtle indoctrination/mindset Much more clearly!

[@clonetrooper2003]

Not to mention it lines up with ALL of the details that the 90s expanded universe novels hinted at. The Dreadnought class heavy cruisers and honoghr crisis from the thrawn trilogy? Seen in the republic comics for example

[@mercury2157]

I can actually see these versions of the Clones being voiced by Temuera Morrison rather than Dee Bradley Baker. Dee's take on the Clones doesn't have this sort of grit to it

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Oh, definitely.

[@clonetrooper2003]

Yeah and also i can see this version of Anakin and obi wan actually voiced by ahyden christensen and ewan mcgregor best of all

[@indianajones4321]

You mentioned the comic where Bly was the narrator. I highly recommend that you cover the battle of Honoghr where Bly and the 327th fight the Separatists and Noghri on Honoghr. It also has a big connection to the Thrawn trilogy and campaign after Endor.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Yes! I also recommend Armor too since the last few months! Same for the Evasive Action comics.

[@thenewkalpa]

2003 TCW showed the clones' efficiency and skill far better than the other show. Their tactics were cool and intimidating in 2003 TCW. I could actually believe these clones were trained by Mandalorians and Jango. [Edit: Typo]

[@thalmoragent9344]

Yep, 10 years of training since damn near their birth, which they were even biologically altered for in the first place. You'd think we'd see more epic Clone feats overall

[@whoami4352]

The 2003 series is trash lmao stfu you legends fans are so annoying. 2008 series is far better. The older one looks so kiddy and bad everything all around. Clones actually felt like soldiers as they should during the good version of the clone wars.

[@thenewkalpa]

@@thalmoragent9344 Yeah, man. Watching 2008 show, I never felt like the Clones were deadly. I understand, of course, the great aspect of 2008 TCW show having clones humanized more, but a lot was left out of what clones were supposed to be. They also kind of talked way too much in the 2008 TCW, tbh. And screamed too much and got owned too much too. And they never tried to animate them taking cover. I think the animators forgot that clones aren't unlimited and it feels like waste seeing these guys get clapped just for visual appeal. I see 2003 TCW, and I feel the elite tactics of the ARCs on display. They use signs instead of excessive talking as well. And they are also very stoic, another aspect I wished I saw more with clones. It also made Grievous even scarier knowing how he could take out these soldiers, and seeing ARCs standing off with Grievous had so much tension because of how elite these two opponents were.

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@thenewkalpa I wouldn't mind some of our Clones in 2008 speaking as much as they did but yeah, seeing more silent, hand sign usage for communication would've been cool too. Still love 2008 but yeah, I agree with most everything else you said

[@CameronKiesser]

@@thenewkalpa Soldiers using sign language or signals during stealth missions makes a lot of sense.

[@Jedi_Spartan]

Well I got all 3 Clone Wars Omnibuses around Christmas 2019. Put together, they contain every Republic issue from 49 to the end of the run along with some extras like the Jedi mini series, the 4 issue Grevious comic and Obsession.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Lucky!

[@gokbay3057]

There is a 9 volume Clone Wars completion series, I have had 7 of those for quite a while.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

You talking about Clone Wars Adventures, Gokbay? If so, it's actually 10 volumes.

[@gokbay3057]

@@michaelandreipalon359 Pretty sure I only saw 9 volumes in Wookipedia but you might be right and I could be mistaken. I probably am.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

By all means, go ahead.

[@zephyrfromzephex6618]

Definitely prefer fanatic Droid like clones, they're trained since childhood to follow orders and nothing else matters, love the way this is shown in these old comics as well as the republic commando novels.

[@inquisitorgarza312]

The Clone Wars were a harsh reminder to the citizens of the Galaxy that War brings the best and the worst of people, and that there are those who will fight against others for their very belief and committed the worst war crimes in the history of the Galaxy.

[@rcbmmines4579]

I grew up on TCW too but I went into a deep dive into the EU's Clone Wars Multimedia Project years ago, and as a comics fan, the Republic series was naturally my favorite part. John Ostrander and Hayden Blackmen wrote some of the greatest Star Wars comics ever, with really gritty and epic art by Jan Duursema and Brian Ching. Legends Quinlan Vos was awesome. Alpha-17 is better than Rex IMO. The Battle of Jabiim is my favorite Clone Wars battle in either canon for sure. Glad to see some love for it at last from a major Star Wars channel. Novels like Labyrinth of Evil and ROTS already get tons of love (and deservedly so) but the comics are definitely more obscure.

[@gokbay3057]

I like both Rex and Alpha but they are definitly very different.

[@rcbmmines4579]

@@gokbay3057 yeah that’s fair. I still like Rex. Alpha just has a lot more personality, and we actually see how he first works with Anakin and Obi-Wan, and how his friendship with them changed him. He doesn’t get much with other clones like Rex but he does train all the important named Commanders later on too.

[@MrChewie1138]

@@rcbmmines4579 wut, Alpha didn't change at all, nor did he have much personality lol.

[@rcbmmines4579]

@@MrChewie1138 you could probably use a reread of the comics then friend. Alpha’s personality being distinct from other clones is an important point. He wasn’t afraid to get sarcastic with and criticize Jedi. Literally his first interaction with Anakin: “He’s rude for a clone” “And you’re complacent for someone who may be on the losing side of a battle”. As for his change, it’s his relationships with Anakin and Obi-Wan that lead to him having a name outside his designation, respecting the Jedi more and encouraging his trainees in the ARC commander program to also have names and think like ARCs.

[@MrChewie1138]

@@rcbmmines4579 Yes, but he was just like a copy of Jango in that, a cynical somewhat ruthless loner. While Rex was shown to go from by the book soldier at the beginning to gradually starting to question the point of the war.

[@BitoyV3]

My first exposure to SW Republic was through 1 issue of the Jabiim arc that came in an action figure 2 pack of Alpha-17 and Obi-Wan. That's why I was hyped as all Hell for the Clone Wars movie, because in the initial trailers, I thought Rex was Alpha.

[@simpleclonetrooper2740]

I was reading issue 68 "Armor" last night seeing phase 1 markings on phase 2 armor is badass.

[@garrisonjones1827]

if anything, the comic shows how much of a monster Palpatine truly was.

[@clonetrooper2003]

Yeah he was hateable espcially in that one clone wars adventures spinoff comic where he had a whole group of commandos sacrificed to retrieve an importsnt item only for it be revealed that it was just a trinket he just allows to collect dust in his closet.

[@masteroftheassassins]

I loved the Republic comic series. My absolutely favorite being the Battle of Jabiim. Primarily because it shows that even without Palpatine as the Chancellor, the Republic didn’t have the best intentions like we originally believed

[@jbone9900]

The battle of umbra showed the imperial nature of the republic.

[@ozymandiasprometheus1926]

My favorite battle is Jabiim. The stakes were just so high.

[@clonetrooper2003]

@@ozymandiasprometheus1926 Jabiim is great but my god the siege of salecuami tied up ALL the loose ends we needed with Auinlan Vos’ character and Dooku’s dark acolytes. Also it had seperatist clones which was really poetic

[@darthmaul4773]

@@clonetrooper2003My favorite one too.

[@clonetrooper2003]

@@darthmaul4773 Thanks man! Yeah it was lit

[@Lawrence_Talbot]

I have all the comics. You used to be able to collect them in TPB and omnibuses. That is until Disney canceled the lore and shut down the EU (now known as Legends) production. If you can get your hands on a few, I recommend them. Stories are far more darker and grittier than anything the cartoons would ever show

[@EnclaveSOC-102]

I have had these Clone Wars comics since I was a kid, and many of them are still in good condition.

[@indianajones4321]

Obi-wan: Jedi do not carry blasters Jedi with Gun: Hello there

[@lerneanlion]

Some people will say that by not fightng is a sign of being a coward and let your enemies walked over you. But if the Clones Wars stated that fighting is not the right choice, then what is running away is? I know, I know. Palpatine designed it so he can become the ultimate victor of the war. But hey, the rest of the galaxy does not know that. So to them, there might be only just fight and win or fight and die to them.

[@theoldhermit2601]

Yep, there was absolutely zero way to win for the others, the closest I can think of is if they either turned Dooku back to the light and killed Sidious before order 66 could happen, or if the jedi altogether left the war, and relocated to an isolated planet where nobody would find them (like Dagobah) Sure, they'd be considered traitors, but they'd at least survive

[@ThreadBareHope1234]

I think this CW quote "In war, truth is the first casualty" perfectly sums up that war is started by people's refusal to see the vulnerable human on any side, the way *Jedi tend to* (seeing the symbiosis of all things except objective evil, teaming with mercenaries, etc). Altho I think the Separatists we're wrong in many more ways than the Republic and the Clone War could be called a just war, it sucks that it ever led to that Imo, Palpatine controlling both sides is a symbol of how sith like people (self centered) or our dark side (that can be menipulated) wants our eyes clouded with hate.

[@anarchistarts725]

I had a few issues of this series when I was a kid! It followed Vos and his ragtag band and it was so exciting and heartbreaking. Even though Vos isn't the best character from that era by a long shot, or the most powerful, but he was still my fave during the clone wars. His interactions with his master were so poignant, and I absolutely adored them. Definitely rereading the entire series again.

[@U_Jelly]

This was much better than clone wars. The inhibitor chips didn’t make a whole lot of sense to me and how all the prominent main characters didn’t go through any trama from the war just didn’t make sense.

[@james501001]

The problem with the inhibitor chips isnt that they dont make sense (from a purely technical and practical standpoint they do), its that they are unecessary and hurt the narrative by removing any and all agency and culpability from the clones. Whitewashing the clones darker and more sinister qualities and trying to make them generic goody action heroes is a big mistake that TCW ended up making

[@justjoking5841]

I always saw it as being similar to how some government agents get cyanide capsules AND micro bombs in their teeth or behind the eyes. Complete with some form of brainwashing and mind manipulation to boot. A huge number of countermeasures built in by the Kaminoans with Palpy's blessings. It is quite extraneous though...

[@tristankawatsuma8962]

This can easily fixed by showing how the clones at the start of the war were filled with these negative qualities while the Jedi Order influenced them throughout the war. If the Clone Wars changed the galaxy, who says it couldn’t change the clone troopers? And in expanded Canon material, it implies the inhibitor chips wore off over time. Besides, it plays into the slavery narrative of the clone troopers. It’s just that Palpatine was more direct and controlling than the Republic was. When the chips wore off, those most loyal to the Empire stayed on training the stormtroopers and being part of special forces teams with few in the regular army. And like you said it makes sense from a technical and practical perspective. It’s like people think that only the war shaped the Jedi. Who says things couldn’t also work the other way around? Think of it like this. The Clone Wars made the Jedi go from light to grey. For the clones, they went from dark to grey. And when it comes to what happens in the story, it doesn’t even change much. The clones still kill the Jedi, the Empire is born, and Palpatine wins. Disney Canon just has a different view on how it happened. Different continuities are going to change things. Look at the two IDW Transformers continuities. The 2005 Continuity makes the Decepticons start out as mistreated workers trapped in a Caste Society who go too far in their attempts to change things by force. In the 2019 IDW Continuity, the Decepticons are a political party trying to bring Cybertron back to its age of expansion. The thing that stays the same is that the Decepticons rise up and go to war against the Autobots. It just changes why it happens.

[@Jaerek]

@@james501001 Exactly. Though you could also make a case on how planting literal, physical evidence of your plan on billions of clones isn’t really the most brilliant move on Palpatine’s part 😭 like if it’s something you can find via a basic scan and remove in a quick 1-minute surgery, wouldn’t any medic looking at a clone with head trauma notice it?

[@starkilr101]

I didn’t read most of the republic stories, but I do have a very good general grievous issue where he captures a band of Jedi younglings. Great story and shows why grievous is such a great villain

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Ah, the miniseries simply known as General Grievous. Underrated too.

[@eyepatchpirate7726]

Hehe well I grew up with Star Wars: Republic! It was *very* dark and mature. Jabiim was definitely one of the best arcs, but I also really liked everything with Quinlan Vos and absolutely loved the final issues. The separatist clone army on Saleucami was a big suprise! But one of my favourites is nr. 50, when we see the ARC troopers and Alpha for the first time. We also shouldn't underestimate of Jan Duursema's art in shaping this darker perspective of the Clone Wars.

[@fdjtron1732]

Oh yes, Republic, my favorite comic book series, which deserves much more recognition. Also, "Jedi" comics directly related to the Republic deserved to be mentioned in this video.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Same for Jedi Council: Acts of War, General Grievous, Clone Wars Adventures, Obsession, Dark Times, and Purge.

[@fdjtron1732]

@@michaelandreipalon359 yep

[@clonetrooper2003]

Clone wars adventures was goated. The third volume was peak ngl@@michaelandreipalon359

[@twalls792]

The republic comics are just the fucking best🔥🔥

[@clonetrooper2003]

Yeah especially if you read them right before labyrinth of evil

[@ObiClon]

Heard so much about this series. I think it is time to finally give it a read.

[@noahchiaravallotti6510]

I'm actually reading through this line again! I am in the personal opinion of appreciating these comics more than the show we all grew to love. One such reason for that is the battle of Jabiim story arc. It is by far and away my favorite Clone Wars story, canon or legends, and personally resides inside my own head canon. Aayla Secura's story is also a stand out, and I'm now even MORE sad when she's purged. All in all, worth hunting down if you are a Star Wars fan.

[@nickvinsable3798]

Honestly, I believe we needed to see both the bright side & dark side of that specific time frame…

[@arkhamftw6186]

Finally a big Star Wars channel gives the Republic comic some love.

[@bigatake1600]

best depiction of the clone wars in any star wars media

[@PrettyboyAshtun]

i love how dark and gritty it got in these comics

[@waryace2]

Voss is just built different.

[@clonetrooper2003]

Yeah he is such a Good character in the comics

[@MrAdamske]

I have the comics. I keep them in a shrine type thing and look at them from time to time to remind myself what a well written, darker star wars should be.

[@123hskk]

I remember an ARC Trooper being sold with a comic of this run.

[@tristankawatsuma8962]

I’m not sure if neutrality for the Jedi in this case really works either. They can go down three paths with this choice. Either they act as peacekeepers, stay out of the conflict entirely, or investigate into both armies. The first option works to an extent, but I still argue that if it wasn’t for the Jedi being generals, the clones would be far more brutal than they ever were in the war. The officers would have seen to that. The Jedi likely would have had many fall to the Dark Side anyway since I doubt either side would respect the Jedi peacekeepers, seeing them as cowards not getting involved on their rightful side. At least Dooku and Palpatine would push such narratives. They would just end up being targeted long before Order 66. Like if they served on either side of the war, many planets and people would respect and praise them while many others would see them as traitors to what they were meant for. Not much change in my opinion. Now for the option of staying out of the war. For the Jedi themselves, I would have to say this is the best option. They could make secret temples across the galaxy as they use this time to find their way and could go underground when Order 66 happens. The reason for these new temples though would be because they likely get kicked off Coruscant due to Palpatine making it look like the Jedi don’t care about the galaxy. This route only benefits the Jedi in the short run. While many will be happy when they return from exile to fight the Empire, many others would see them as cold-hearted for “abandoning” them. There may even be those who think they say back just waiting for the Clone Wars to weaken the Republic, waiting for the right time to strike and take power. As for the final route, that also runs into problems. Since they aren’t part of the Republic military, they lack access to a number of areas they used to investigate stuff in the Republic back in our timeline. They would basically be starting from scratch. And all Palpatine would have to do long before the end of the war is expose the Jedi sneaking around to make them look like Separatist spies, even though Dooku will be doing the exact same thing on his end. Again, early Jedi Purge. Like it or not, at least having some Jedi be involved in the military had some upsides. They can access info they can’t get as civilians, they can directly influence military policy, and maintain their public image. Though that last part would have worked better if they only had some Jedi become generals while the rest formed some separate organization independent of the military. That probably would have worked better than just making every Jedi a general or commander. I really feel that it’s wrong to say that the galaxy lost to the Sith as soon as the Clone Wars began. It’s a dark period to be sure, but it implies Palpatine’s plan was really foolproof. And it’s a little hard to believe such a long spanning plan couldn’t have dangerous flaws within it. Yes, many planets are going to get wrecked and trust in the Republic and Separatists is going to be at an all-time low. The former is going to have mass secession while the latter may just dissolve without Dooku around to keep them united. Still, I think it’s wrong to say it was game over as soon as the Clone Wars began. While many Jedi fall into the dark side and others come very close, they still believed in the principles of the Republic and tried to maintain these principles through the war. They failed on a number of these principles, but not on all of them. And if only one good thing about the Jedi involvement in the GAR came of it, it was their influence on the clones which even the Republic comics touch on. In fact I feel this part of the Clone Wars barely gets touched upon. We see Jedi and Clones being friendly or at least working together and see clone troopers with their own hairstyles and patterns on their armor, but we never really see how all this happened. We kind of just take it for granted. Even in the darkest versions of the Clone Wars, the Jedi are honestly the best things to ever happen to the clone troopers. The Jedi were basically the only thing keeping them from being exactly like stormtroopers. While the two soldiers are similar, there were a few key differences. While this certainly noted how perfect as Palpatine’s soldiers they were upon completing their training, it also shows that nothing works perfectly out in the field. After seeing the affect of the Jedi on the clones, imagine if they somehow were leading stormtroopers. A lot of the things we saw with the clones would probably be far more prominent among regular humans. Yes, this is an optimistic view on the Clone Wars, I know that. But that’s kind of what Star Wars is. Hope and optimism in the galaxy’s darkest hours. If you think about it, the era of the Galactic Civil War would be far darker than the Clone Wars. At least if the Republic or Separatists lost in the eyes of the people, they would just lose a galactic government and have to hope the alternative doesn’t fall apart. In the case of the Galactic Civil War, if the Rebel Alliance loses it’s basically the bitter end. It would take decades for another rebel organization on a galactic level to be formed, one strong enough to take on the Empire. And life under Imperial rule sure wouldn’t get better. There wouldn’t even be a successor who thinks to make things slightly better because Palpatine was trying to figure out how to be immortal. No successor planned at all. As imperfect as the Republic and Separatists are, they at least are democracies. Imperfect ones to be sure, but eventually either side would backtrack the military spending. It would take years, maybe even a decade. Still, you can’t pour money into a military for a democracy without an enemy to fear. Now if they agreed to a peace deal, then a Cold War would begin and that certainly would make both sides hold onto a military. But if one side wiped out the other, then eventually they have to decrease the military because there is no enemy. The Empire got around this by making the military symbolic of expanding civilization. Senators in both the Republic and Separatists, while low in power, still had a little to wield. In the Empire, they basically had nothing at all. So technically, wouldn’t you say the Original Trilogy Era was darker than the Prequel Trilogy Era. Higher stakes for the galaxy.

[@NewYorkLover22]

Damn, that was a nixe read. But can you break it into paragraphs to make it easier to read? Thanks.

[@tristankawatsuma8962]

@@NewYorkLover22 Sorry.

[@samwilson2250]

Definitely need to try and take a look into getting this comic line now. Legends material is so much more expansive than what we have now in canon... It's honestly kind of depressing, so many great stories and characters like vos, the null arcs, skirata, alpha just tucked away into legends when they deserve the spotlight they do.

[@randomcenturion7264]

Man these comics were cool. Love the 2008 series, but it’s always nice to look back on these for some grimdark.

[@OvSpP]

I think I’m gonna read this now, but I’ll start from the beginning.

[@zexalbrony4799]

Sorry for the long comment, but I'm very passionate about Star Wars and the Clone Wars in general so I have a lot to say. Now take what I'm about to say with a grain of salt, given the kind of fan I am. I have never fully read the Republic series, I'm not really a comic reader in general, and there are very few that get me interested enough to read them, even for some of my most favorite franchises like Star Wars. However, I do know of many of these great tales because of great KZbinrs like you Geetsly(the best Star Wars KZbinr ever) whose videos explain them in their greatness, and I myself have looked up several of these stories on the Star Wars Wookieepedia, I have read the bios of many of these great characters and battles, one of my personal favorites is the story of Dass Jennier. So I can say that these stories from what I've seen and heard are great stories and I personally wish some elements of them made their way into the new canon, and have even done stuff like that by making fanfic New Canon versions of some of these battles which combined elements of Legends, the New Canon, and some of my own personal ideas together. However, despite that, I think the 2008 Clone Wars series is still a better take on the Clone Wars itself and how they are depicted. You see, in the first two seasons things are mostly okay, the war starts out mostly clean. Sure there are still many Clones and other people who die, but overall, those we consider the good guys the likes of Obi-Wan, Anakin, Ahsoka, Rex, Cody, Plo Koon, and so on do mostly win and save many people's lives, albeit at a cost given the troops they lose, but still they save as many as they can and it mostly balances out at this point, and I'd consider the war going well for the Republic. And we don't really lose too many important characters in these first two seasons, the only ones coming to mind right now are Hevy and Nadar Also, most people don't die too brutally, there are a few here and there, but most of the characters who die just get shot or stab, painful yes, but nowhere near as bad as some of the more brutal deaths, which are few and far between in these first two seasons. The light of the Jedi is still strong during these two seasons and is very much helping people and beacon of hope for the galaxy. But then, the war starts dragging on, and in seasons 3 and 4, it starts to get darker. Dark elements start taking center stage more, we see stuff like the clones killing each other on Umbara, a Jedi fall to the Dark Side(Krell), we see more darker things like the horrible slavery they Zygerrian's cause, Savage forced to kill his own brother, even our heroes doing bad things like Obi-Wan faking his death and not telling Anakin for the sake of a mission. And the war gets a lot more brutal, especially with how people die, a Clone gets cut in half by a closing door in the Citadel, Jedi Master Peil gets mauled to death by an Anubis in the same arc, Riff Tampson killing people by biting them or blowing them up with exploding knives, the brutal way Clones die against the Umbara's and their tech, the Nightsisters are masquerade and crushed by Grevious, even the amount of innocent civilians we see killed gets large with Maul's return. And more characters with names start to die, 99, King Kutuko of Tyodaria, Echo is presumed dead and until Season 7 both the characters and the audience think he is so were all sad about that, we then lose Peil like I said earlier, Hardcase and Waxxer die, Ventress loses her people which is pretty dark. Things are slowly starting to get worse as the war drags on, the longer it goes, the more scars, taint, and damage it inflicts on everyone. The Light of the Jedi, while still present here in some stories, how they get relief supplies to Ryloth, saving Mon Cala and helping to partially reunite the Mon Cala and Quaren, the Jedi and Clones saving the Togura people from the Zygerrians, is slowly starting to get dimmer and harder to see, as the Darkness grows the longer the war rages on. Then the last three seasons, as the war nears its end, things continued to get worse. More brutality, more causalities, and more darkness which grows even greater than before. More tragedy strikes, Ahsoka leaves, more great characters die like Stela, Satime, Fives, Thorn, Jesse and so on, Palpatine takes control of the banks to fund his coming Empire, Barris falls to the Dark Side, and Mandalore suffers greatly. Even villains are not immune to suffering because of this war, Maul loses Savage and Mother Talzin in the comics and you see how genuinely sad he is over this loss, showing despite being evil he did care for them as his only family and now there gone. Victories are coming at greater prices and sometimes we are losing even more than before. The Light of the Jedi is still around, we see it with fun and happy moments like the Droid arc from season 5(One of my personal favorites), the Padawan arc and how great that turned out not just for the Padawans but also Hondo showing even he has a kind of noble side and isn't all bad, the Republic still gets some good moments like winning the Battle of Anaxes and getting Echo back, and so on. However, unlike back in seasons 1 and 2 where these moments outweighed the dark ones, now it's either more even or the darkness now is greater than the light moments, and the darkness is coming close to eclipsing the light, which by the end of the war it does of course. So through the seven seasons of the Clone Wars we see how over time the war slowly erodes and corrupts many things, the Light so prevalent at the very start of the series by the end has now been eclipsed by the Darkness. Showing us that by the end of the war, everyone has been tainted and scared at least a little bit by it, even those that were able to mostly stick to their morals and principles by the end of the war like Obi-Wan, Ashoka, Rex, and several others still suffered greatly and had big scars at the end of the war because of all those they lost. Those that had small scars and taint could be healed with just a little time, but for many, they had much worse taint and scars that took longer to heal, and for some, the scaring and taint was so bad it could never heal or if it could it would take a very long time, Anakin is an example of this last one. I still argue that fighting in the war at the start was a good thing, as the Jedi and Clones saved many people's lives, but another important message is that war is hell and the longer it goes on the worse it starts to affect everyone, some can try their best to stick to their guns and still do good, but they still have to end it quickly so it doesn't get worse, but they must also be careful that the desire to end the war doesn't force them to become monsters and weakens them because to paraphrase Ezra Bridger during the war Jedi, Clones, Droids, and others all killed each other, and when they were all weak enough, Palpatine and his Empire swooped in and finished most of them off and took over. War is complicated, while fighting can be good, one must also know when to stop fighting and start talking with their foes, and also one must know that it's just that you fight its how you fight choose to be better, and more merciful in combat then your foes. These are ultimately the lessons that I think the Clone Wars teaches us, and by learning from them there is hope for the Galaxy, it's very small at the start of the Empire, but it's there in the form of the survivors like Rex and the Bad Batch(minus Crosshair) who are still fighting for what's right and opposing the Empire helping what little bits of the good Republic still remains, it's there in the form of all those inspired by the Jedi and Clones, and even the good Sepatists that saved them during the war like with the people of Ryloth to keep fighting to protect themselves, there home, and their galaxy of the terriony and evil their savors tried so hard to get rid of, and it's there in many other places too.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

You weren't kidding when you said this is long. I'll just give you advice on time... don't hurry up if you want to read the comics and the novels from the pre-TCW era and as you've said, Geetsly's and others are doing you a lot of favors with their takes.

[@zexalbrony4799]

@@michaelandreipalon359 What can I say, I like to hear myself talk. LOL. And yes, Geetsly and a few others are doing a lot of favors with their great videos explaining this stuff for those of us not in the know. Heck, I've looked up stuff on the Wookipedia because of their videos to see if there was more to the event than what they were saying, like the Battle of Bal'demnic.

[@Jaerek]

@@zexalbrony4799 I fail to see why you put so much effort in this when you clearly said you haven't experienced the object of your comparison. Of course the thing you actually experienced will feel better- if I had read just a wiki summary of the Battle of Umbara, it would've seemed like an extremely silly logistical mess and I could've said Dark Horse is better in that regard. But the main thing I see ad infinitum when it comes to TCW is a defense based on how edgy it is. "This person gets decapitated, this guy gets blown up, these people get massacred" etc- that's not what makes either of these series compelling. Star Wars: Republic is more "mature" because it approaches the subject matter with more subtlety, has a wider array of layers to its characters and the way their arcs are interwoven, and the overall tone is consistently grounded. It doesn't make you sit through silly adventures of little astromech droids before throwing you into a battlefield the next arc. It doesn't bring back a villain from the dead and have them monologue to the hero exactly how they managed to keep alive-TCW has a *lot* of telling instead of showing, because its target demographic is a lot younger and less invested-or joke villains who get defeated and put up their four arms in the air yelling "You will never defeat Grievous! Never!!" to a flying gunship. To put things in perspective, imagine if some Marvel fan wrote "I never watched any Martin Scorsese films, but I read their plot summaries and this Marvel movie has [dark element] and so it is better".

[@zexalbrony4799]

@@Jaerek Okay, I might have miss spoken, but I was not saying that TCW is good because of how edgy it is. In fact, if I'm being honest, the edginess like that Clone getting cut in half by a closing door aways made me a little quaise, even now to some degree. I was saying how despite not liking it the edginess and brutality of later seasons serve a purpose in the overall message the Clone Wars conveys and is necessary because as Geetsly has said many times when talking about the Clone Wars, "War is hell." So they have to show some of the darker elements and brutality to convey that, but also show how as the war drags on its slowly getting worse for everyone and the brutality is a part of that like I said back in the first two seasons during the start of the war this stuff was rare, but as the war dragged on things got worse, people got more desperate, and all hell was slowly starting to break loose, thus all that edginess and brutality of war only see rarely back in the first two seasons is now seen a lot more often in the later seasons as the war drags on. Which again is the overall message the Clone Wars teaches us that I was talking about that makes that series so good to me. Also, " It doesn't make you sit through silly adventures of little astromech droids before throwing you into a battlefield the next arc." I feel even the Droids arc serves a decent purpose, as there are many parts of war, not just the big battles but spy missions, infiltrations, rescue missions, negotiating to use supply routes, debates over how much to spend on new equipment, and just how regular people and troopers deal with all the stress and issues of the war during breaks between the action. The Droids arc is some much need levity and relief from the intense battles so it's not all serious and depressing all the time to allow people in and out of universe time to catch their breaths and recover before jumping right into the next hard arc and battle. And it also serves to show that things aren't all bad there is still some light-heartedness and humor, and the Light of the Jedi hasn't completely been eclipsed during these dark times, and those little bits of light are going to be needed by many during the starting time of the Empire to allow them to survive and endure until more people start coming to help and resist the Empire.

[@neofulcrum5013]

Yeah I prefer the clone wars 2008 version too

[@MatthewChenault]

Dark Horse Comics? You mean Chad Horse Comics?

[@frostburn3736]

_There are no wise wars, only foolish people whose wage them._

[@tristankawatsuma8962]

Then what do you call the Galactic Civil War?

[@clonetrooper2003]

@@tristankawatsuma8962 one that could have been avoided if not for the FOOLISH empire

[@tristankawatsuma8962]

@@clonetrooper2003 The quote seems to say that all sides who fight in wars are fools.

[@clonetrooper2003]

@@tristankawatsuma8962 figures.

[@Destroyer6263]

This is what Disney took from us… Basically the Clone Wars ended up like the Sino-Japanese War, a horrifying struggle in which neither side survived.

[@joshuagraham2843]

star wars always been dark before disney before dark times and i really hated the high republic its all agenda

[@michielkudova3887]

Now that we’ve had Obi-Wan get his own show, Quinlan Vos should get one too. It’ll really make up for the fact that this comic is no longer canon

[@ulty1472]

Sadly i doubt that.

[@keeganheywood4367]

I remember reading these from my local library as a kid, the dead gungans messed me up and it was also my first introduction to durge

[@ruffleraveninc3602]

I used to get these comics from my local library as a kid, and I absolutely loved them (though I was definitely way too young to be reading them).

[@Scylla_Charybdis]

Republic worked because it saw the best way to make a gritty story actually impactful; by portraying the vast majority of people caught up in said story as human, with all the ups and downs that come with it. Zealous hatred, love of family and comrades, and fear of death are all things Republic's galaxy deal with. Too many dark settings like ASOI&F, Warhammer, Attack on Titan and plenty others substitute horrendous violence and over-the-top awfulness for sound storytelling and character development. The reason why the scene those clones threatening to carpet bomb the Wookie village hits so hard is *because* the majority of clones have been soldiers up to that point, not out-and-out killers (even if they had been a little too zealous before then). On a less "philosophical" level Republic showed that Star Wars could be a very mature setting even while space-knights dueled with swords of light, and it was a damn near perfect war story for showing us not only how the war developed but also how the people trapped in it grew.

[@alwaysplotting2096]

Palpatine reading Star Wars: Republic: HEHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Imperial Guard: He really enjoys historical non-fiction.

[@alswearengine4867]

This series rules! Got the whole series off eBay back in ‘09. Worth every penny.

[@toddkurzbard]

Not EVERYBODY lost due to the Clone Wars. The SITH won.

[@clonetrooper2003]

Unless you consider the fact that palpatine was originally going to help the galaxy but forgot and just became power hungry

[@serranovictor20]

Such a great comic book series I remember finding this on my iPad by chance in high school when I read the first issue got hooked on it right away

[@sean668]

In retrospect I think I prefer the clones as purely pragmatic and almost morally bankrupt. In the 2008 series there were only a few clones like this: Dogma comes to mind, and he was portrayed as kind of a weirdo compared to the other clones. I enjoy the 2008 Clone Wars immensely and it couldn’t have happened with the older tunnel-visioned clones, but I prefer the atmosphere their cynical perspectives sets. It’s almost foreboding, like you can tell this whole war is a terrible mistake

[@MrChewie1138]

Fox also, and Crosshair

[@zachduperron8543]

My adventures of Hody series aims to be like this, the 442nd siege battalion being mercilessly, destroying all droids and organic separatist conscripts while on a bloody campaign to destroy an evil droid leader and taking a resource rich planet.

[@Yung-plague]

Star Wars Republic was my shit as a child

[@Yung-plague]

Zule Xiss is amongst my favorite Jedi. Like super high up.

[@wor575]

Voss with a blaster goes harder than he already does

[@sirnukealot84]

man I would love a rogue one style stars wars show. more gritty and hardcore than anything seen before.

[@jawafreak230]

I bought the last issue, volume 9 of the clone wars arc, over 10 years ago. It is one of my most prized literary possessions.

[@goldeagle6431]

The Senate is anything but casual.

[@giovannibraggs9223]

It's so ironic, that both Anakin and A'Sharad Hett would eventually turn into some of the biggest villains in the saga. I actually got chills just thinking about it.

[@neofulcrum5013]

What I like about the 2008 series is that it made us feel for the clones. They feel like people. I’m wondering what new stories will Dark Horse will tell

[@Slayer398]

Yes, but you only felt that they could do no wrong. It was a matter of "poor poor them", so let's just sympathize and see how everyone else is EVIL in their actions in the Clone Wars.

[@neofulcrum5013]

@@Slayer398 that’s not entirely true. You had some like Dogma and Slick who either blindly followed or put their own selfish interests at the cost of their brothers in arms.

[@Slayer398]

@@neofulcrum5013 Yes, true. But as a majority the clones are viewed as victims and as a general rule their actions were free of responsibility. It's all a matter of 'its the chip's fault'. That was one plot point with how it was utilized I didn't like very much.

[@walkerlamebrain]

OMG I love this ESPECIALLY bcoz it covers Quinlan Vos' story. I've always been curious about his character since I first saw him in The Clone Wars. Please share more videos/information about QV, I won't be the only fan grateful👍👍👍

[@jaieregilmore971]

Yeah these comics definitely shows how far the Jedi are fallen due to them using guns in the war which to me is nothing wrong with it incase they need a side weapon or adapting to the time. Plus this version of the clone wars really shows Anakin falls to dark side is more understandable of all he been through.

[@prtfdc2]

For anyone looking to read Star Wars: Republic look up Star Wars (1998) after Issue 45 the comic Republic was added to the name

[@DarkRider117]

Damn this is the kind of clone wars show I’d love to see

[@LelandMGrayer]

That's why I Love Jedi Fallen Order. And Can't Wait Until Fallen Order Survivor. With This Holocron Of Information And Kenobi Series Cal Kestis Story Continuing Will Be Something Very Interesting To Experience. Blaster With Ligjtsaber I Can't Wait!!!!!

[@twalls792]

What the clone wars tv show did do quinlon vos is disgraceful

[@darthmaul4773]

Yeah he sucks in that.

[@RoboticPope]

Vos in TCW tv series reminds me of the fake "Devaronian Version" of Quinlan from the dark horse comics (just a few issues before the name change to Star Wars :Republic). In that story Quinlan is a drunk, only pretending to be a jedi. He is shown breifly being a total idiot, shouting woo constantly, saying "feel the force ladies", and making a humming noise with his voice while using his stolen lightsabre. He finally got shot because he wanted to prove that he could actually use the force to deflect blaster bolts. It is almost like Filnoi saw that comic and copied that fake Quinlan's personality.

[@eclipse_war5009]

And imagine if this comics would be a tv show.

[@michasalamon8315]

I Remember going to show once a week to buy new issue. Damn I feel old.

[@todddavis2041]

Think ill have to read the Republic comics to see how they are.

[@johnjr9997]

The clone wars was just space Vietnam. When shit hit the fan it got all over the room

[@jimmysmith2249]

These were collected into a multi-volume series.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

11:26: In short, no for me, but I still appreciate other non-CWMMP depictions. Actually finished them ALL (yes, even the ones I never read yet) just a few weeks back, hehe. What a fun ride, and am just binging on the Original Trilogy newspaper strip comics and the KotOR comics.

[@SynTheLich]

I think I speak for all of us when I say that we want to know more about vos during the age of the empire. Like we know that he was helping force sensitives and former Jedi hide thanks to the obi wan show, but I was expecting a cameo or somethin, ya know?

[@chimerathrawn5875]

@2:56 Thought there were two Victories 😏

[@Cammino3]

I loved this series

[@jmospastriepies9177]

Hoping for more videos about this comic line!

[@chengzhou8711]

4:08 Raiden? Snap out of it!

[@eddieram435]

2003 show and the books are the darkest Clone Wars depictions. The rest is fan fiction to me despite it being canon.

[@ArtAngelDesign]

Grew up with clone wars…man I feel old…nice tip of great literature tho💯so ty

[@GLJosh]

Vos would be a great Disney+ series.

[@sheevpalpatine2128]

All those jedi died, it was a good day, and it showed my handsome face before they disfigured me.

[@slicerneons3300]

Heck Yeah, Dark Horse is where the best Stories are!

[@Pingpong-fk7mv]

Ok ok ok boss I need to re read the comic I get it 🤣

[@oriongear2499]

I personally find enjoyment in both the 2003 and 2008 Clone Wars series.

[@conradojavier7547]

I wish Disney Adapts them like an Anime Studio did to a Manga.

[@alphacoffeesins9197]

Do you know what I love about this comic It's at it's believable that That's a Republic would later become the Empire Because you can see it in the clone troopers they act like more brutal versions of storm troopers

[@eclipse_war5009]

This is clone wars i believe

[@bobsterclause342]

Hardy har har, you bring up a different form of media. Of course we haven't heard of it, normal people hear critiques of those kind of works, we don't read comic books ourselves. I don't wear pink.

[@brandongaul4481]

Where can I buy/read these at?

[@vitorpereira9515]

The republic comic series is far superior than the 2008 reboot.

[@clonetrooper2003]

Virgin Battle Of Umbara and Siege Of Mandalore

[@jesuspernia8031]

The 2008 show is so bad but gets way too much undeserved praise

[@dhaburuk6494]

The gritty grim view here is valuable, I think. Hard to hold all these factors of CloneWars in tension, so easier to have one medium champion only a few perstectives. Hmm, I guess there are truely good people who can make a war seem like justice, but war itself is never good and justice is difficult for anyone to agree on in a peace-time so forget war-time. Is it just me, is this all GAR Over-Sector Twelve? I think the only battle that went well there was when Skywalker single-handedly wrecked a prototype-droid factory on Metalorn - everything else was a pyric victory, regardless of which side 'won' at the time.

[@mauricerose3082]

...Rex would work with the two Jedi who used their lightsabers as shields while the Trooper returned fire...

[@nept1974]

I’ve lived through all versions of the clone wars lol

[@jackieanderson9408]

Sweet 👍

[@Josh_Hammond]

Isn't there another clone wars comic series as well that's also not a direct tie-in the the clone wars series from 2008?

[@nicholaswalsh4462]

I think the Clone Wars would have been a brutal slug fest from day one. Trying to take a planet would involve having to fight through so much terrain and so many different defensive positions that it would take months or even years to take a single world, at the cost of millions of lives.

[@happytbag2194]

Is there a way to get a online version of this comic?

[@NebLleb]

Um, Republic existed since 1998, when it was published as simply "Star Wars".

[@badgamemaster]

Dark Horse Comics really did a good work with the Star Wars comics... I really liked their Star Wars: Legacy... even if I most of the time wanted to punch Cade in the face.

[@Kenibus]

Didn’t A’Sharad end up being Darth Krayt?

[@CouncilCape897]

Indeed

[@enviousgaming3250]

i thought quinlan voss died in legends too. i swear he died in legends when he fought clones on kashyyk.

[@CouncilCape897]

That sure is what the clones thought, but he survived to meet his newborn son. But his fate after the immediate aftermath of Order 66 remains forever unknown.

[@fritz404]

2008 clone wars is goofy and doesn't really seem to be the same continuity as the movies, 2003 clone wars fits into the movies and makes sense