The BEST Way to Get the Truth in D&D

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[@danielchangsp]

Necromancer: "You can question my methods but you can't question my results"

[@brennanmarsh1572]

We can question your results he's still in the cage!

[@danielchangsp]

@@brennanmarsh1572 so not only I get the guaranteed truth from the assassin, I also get to keep him from killing my allies? Sounds like a big win

[@modzflare8683]

My thoughts exactly my friend. My necromancer is grabbing this spell asap.

[@brennanmarsh1572]

@@danielchangsp You can only use soulcage on someone as they die it's not like hold person or something.

[@GwydionV]

​@@brennanmarsh1572 so.... he keeps the assassin from killing his allies. I see no falsehood here.

[@figo3554]

You have now given me a tool that my villains will use on innocent npcs.

[@CavemanZerron]

Good villains leave nothing to chance

[@richard7199]

Bunch more uses for it too!

[@catphishanson3565]

Yeah have it used on every person they help to know the player's

[@Reece8u]

Brilliant idea, because now if your players use it they will look evil, as an additional cost to the spell

[@crestianroxas4782]

Whats the difference between a villain, a super villain, and a GREAT villain? Presentation, and success. By. Any. Means.

[@pianoguy2747]

Subtle spell + detect thoughts can also do wonders since if they are lying you can hear what they are thinking as they formulate the lie in their head. Makes it easy to determine the truth with good questions.

[@janedanchinova7072]

And I thought that "Suggestion" with "We are allies, you should help us" is good solution

[@miquando5033]

'Answer truthfully all our questions for the next 8 hours.'

[@astuteanansi4935]

@@miquando5033 I'm pretty sure the suggestion must be worded to be reasonable. I guess "You should answer our questions truthfully and we won't break your legs and arms, shove you in a bag and use you as a distraction against the next monster we encounter" could be construed as reasonable.

[@0-w-l-0]

The good old Suggestion

[@obsidiandragon1385]

@@astuteanansi4935 Counter point "For example, you might suggest that a knight give her warhorse to the first beggar she meets."

[@TrueFlameslinger]

"You want to go home and rethink your life choices" 'I want to go home and rethink my life choices'

[@shadowfate05]

"This means they can't intentionally be cryptic" Spell description: "The answer is no more than a sentence or two and might be cryptic"

[@imofage3947]

I have a simpler solution: Cast Zone of Truth and interrogate him. If he refuses to answer, use Command "Answer" on him. If his answer is cryptic, vague, or convoluted, use Command "Clarify" or Command "Elaborate" when he finishes speaking.

[@honziksmisery58145]

Like he said they can still suceed zone of truth check and they can also suceed the check for command spells also thats 3 spellslots for 1 answer.

[@ghostchannel4766]

​@HonzikPlayCz But you know when Zone of Truth fails, and Soulcage is a 6th level spell. You're completely locked out of this possibility at low levels. You know which ones you'll get access to? Zone of Truth and Command. Even if it's not the most optimal, it is better than nothing.

[@IveBeenWithBruma]

​@@ghostchannel4766 isn't the risk of soul magic that if the caster fails the check the soul could be destroyed thus not only getting zero results but wasting resources as well.

[@jackbarman7063]

@@honziksmisery58145 I think you can continue moving them into and out of the zone of truth until they fail and don’t have to recast.

[@neuro7372]

Thats not simple, just uses lowers level spells but alright

[@ASquared544]

Zone of Truth prompts a save every time you end your turn in the spell. It’s not one and done it’s constant. So eventually he will fail.

[@GrimHeaperThe]

Even if it didn't recasting it isn't that unfeasible.

[@slash2602]

Basically, there was this one time my DM ran to campaign, and an assassin nearly murdered, one of our party members And me and my party members beat up the assassin and then we’re gonna interrogate him. We use zone of truth, and then I cut off his arms, and then I started interrogating him meanwhile, our paladin is healing him. So he doesn’t die. Also, if that sounded cruel, he attacked the dog. I wanted revenge.

[@mortal3806]

He attacked the dog, so that punishment was barely a fraction of what he deserved

[@nephalos666]

"This is cruel!" "I dont think you understand. This boy killed my dog."

[@slash2602]

@@mortal3806 I didn’t put this in the comments, but I also stole everything he was wearing and had and then I threw them on a cart to a battlefield oh, and I did this privately with the DM so that way my party does not feel bad for him

[@mortal3806]

@@slash2602 i think thats close to about 0.00100736% of what he deserved, but that was a good option.

[@No-XIV-Xion]

"this seems a bit excessive, especially for a Paladin-" "He attacked the dog." "You didn't go far enough."

[@no.notfromRDR]

This reminds me that ninjas used to rip their faces of before getting captured. Just to make sure there's not even a single hint to who they worked for.

[@ovoid_ovvie]

Fr?

[@toastthemost2473]

Sounds like a story some peasant's drunk uncle told.

[@l3gend576]

Jokes on you I sold my soul to a devil so you couldn’t question me HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHA Bro you ate my rations it’s not that deep

[@alicepbg2042]

That sounds quite stupid

[@nicor3612]

Picking the face up go brrrr

[@beepboprobotsnot3748]

Detect Thoughts. Cast it when the assassin can't see you (or use Subtle Spell if you're a Sorcerer), and they won't know that it's up, so every time you ask a question, they'll think the answer.

[@chrisframe2227]

The easy solution is often the best. 👍

[@notesmaker204]

"I rolled a 33 in persuasion. I try to gain their trust and assure them safety from any evil." Lawful good bard. "And then I seduce them. NAT 20!!"

[@neuro7372]

Thats why you dont roll for everything

[@youtuner9031]

​@@neuro7372 just because you roll high doesn't mean it has to work, it just means it has to almost work

[@wisdomlight4570]

I actually had a very sadistic way of getting information from a npc. I'm a phoenix sorcerer ua and a paladin, I cut the guys limbs off and used my phoenix ability to burn the wounds and cauterising the lost limbs that way they don't bleed out, I asked them questions and if I felt I didn't like an answer I would just peel off the skin I just burned and reapplied the cauterize immediately, I also used lay on hands to ensure he stays awake and at 1 HP to ensure he understands that I had his life in my hands. I did this for about a day in game time and I managed to get the information I needed, I ended up killing the guy because of background reasons. My character has now been officially labeled as the sadist of the group

[@benjamintim3542]

I'm very surprised that your DM didn't alignment check you, although I'm not sure what the alignment of your character is :P but I'm pretty sure that it can't be "good"

[@wisdomlight4570]

@@benjamintim3542 my character is chaotic neutral, the guy I was torturing was one of the 6 scientist that experiment on my character when he was young, my character was infused with the DNA of a phoenix (phoenix sorcerer subclass) and he was in charge of seeing how potent my regeneration actually was, he did to me what I did to him, however my phoenix Spark (self revive) and stroking flames(self heal) kept me alive at the young age. Honestly it was justified payback

[@benjamintim3542]

@Wisdom Light can't disagree per se but you reaaaaaalllyyy pushed a little more towards evil, at least in my group's opinion. I once did a very similar deal as a chaotic neutral dragonblood sorc and got alignment checked. Had to help clean an orphanage to move back to neutral

[@wisdomlight4570]

@@benjamintim3542 honestly my character is at a point where I definitely am ok being evil, I'm currently raiding the testing facility that created and tortured me, I'm currently cutting people down left and right, my objective is kill all high ranking scientists, kill the head researcher, and save as many of the test subjects that were not lucky enough to escape the facility unlike my character, my goal is in my opinion righteous however I will agree that my methods are evil, but that's just specifically for the section that we are in, it's nearing the end of my character arc anyways Long story short, the world was plagued with a miasma that corrupted the world and made certain mythological creatures (krakens, phoenixes, and many other elemental creatures) to start appearing alongside the corruption. Civilian had to move underground (kind of like fallout) to survive, the bunker my family was in turned into a research facility and and well after killing my parents and forcing my child character to go into all that suffering pretty sure I'm justified in getting a little sadistic with them

[@benjamintim3542]

@Wisdom Light bet. As long as you own it, hell yeah. I admit I've never done an evil character because I'm not sure I can walk the line between "chaotic evil" and "chaotic stupid" And lawful evil is evil mcdouchebag I dunno. Just not for me. I prefer chaotic good, where I do what I want to be helpful. Neutral good is a pretty fun one too.

[@EnFr]

Very evil, but works!

[@Deathnotefan97]

What's even more evil is to just combine Zone of Truth and torture Torture IRL is ineffective because people will say literally anything to make it stop, but ZoT makes lying impossible They could just not answer, but then they get tortured until they do They could make the save, except the caster knows if they succeed, and as long as they stay within the radius, they have to make the save _every single turn_ until they fail or the spell ends (the spell lasts 10 mintues, and it's level 2, very easy to recast if needed)

[@dojopar6574]

The thing about the zone of truth is that the caster knows if the people inside save or not, but if they do fail and refuse to answer, you can use suggestion to magically manipulate them into answering.

[@dylanmcloughlin2187]

Query Soul. You ask the soul a question (no action required) and receive a brief telepathic answer, which you can understand regardless of the language used. The soul knows only what it knew in life, but it must answer you truthfully and to the best of its ability. The answer is no more than a sentence or two and might be cryptic.

[@Stefanos07520]

In the first DND game I ever played, another player in our group played an evil necromancer who liked to spend his downtime murdering townspeople in secret. The very next town we arrived in, a noc cleric of Tyr sensed the evil within him and the guards arrested him right there at the gates. The DM explained that the cleric tied him to a kind of wheeled dolly, cast Zone of Truth, and wheeled him in and out of the circle until he finally failed his save (the spell says the caster knows if you save or not.) Of course, the spell make you tell the truth but does not force you to speak, so he was straight up tortured until he started talking. He couldn't help but confess everything and he was scheduled for execution the following morning.

[@loganlazarus5644]

Cia shows up asking how they can rip out the souls of people and you have to tell them to listen to the part about this being dnd

[@MaceOfSpades5]

If the CIA shows up tell em to go too me cause i got some Ways for them to get Amswers in Return for employment and Us Citizenship

[@NearlyH3adlessNick]

Oh.... oh, well... I guess you're free to go then. Tip the bucket out, Terry. No waterboarding today. **Sad torturer noises**

[@anorkweirdboy]

Combo our DM let us pull off was Zone of Truth from a lore bard with cutting words to the save and the Paladin casting Command “Speak”

[@ChewedBubbleGun]

Judge: So, do you have any evidence to show the jury? Necromancer: Yea, I raise the victim

[@giantdwarf9491]

My Tank character would rather just break their arms and legs to get them to talk, and if they don't then our healer can do their thing and we'll go for round 2 lol

[@korribreki]

could still lie

[@westleyvidrine2283]

​@@korribreki after a few rounds, I think they will want to tell the truth

[@LightPink]

​@@westleyvidrine2283 why?

[@connoryoung8951]

Because you could threaten them with “eternal” torture which isn’t worth any amount of money in the world. Also most people give up information at the threat of pain. Not to mention the repeated pain of broken limbs

[@kyleanderson449]

People can die from pain. Do you really want to risk losing the info. Oh and healing is painful too.

[@Adurnis]

For short admissions, I like to ask the question and use the command spell to say “confess!” Even works in the middle of combat to get their erstwhile allies to see through their bullsh*t, and they don’t do anything else on their turn.

[@camo770]

I remember an assassin came after our phantom rogue. We managed to capture him after my paladin got him in a net and we questioned him. Then found he had drank a vial of poison. My paladin instantly did lay on hands for 5 hp to heal him from poison. My DM got so pissed with me

[@swedishmeatballs7818]

Paladin: Oh no you dont Assassin: oh fuck

[@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim]

Honestly, that was the DMs fault. I'd rule that, since they died already, Lay on Hands wouldn't work.

[@camo770]

@Velociraptors of Skyrim they didn't die. They were dying from poison. Hence lay on hands

[@obiesenpai3869]

Soul Cage following the typical Necromancer motto of "The End justifies the Means."

[@Erblack3]

The naive/good cleric: "you could just ask nicely :)"

[@songbird6414]

Had this exact thing happen with my party. Our sorcerer disguised himself as the assassins twin, who’d come with her and who the party had just torn apart, and continued to stab her and taunt her until she eventually gave in. Was… pretty shocking to the party, and to me.

[@isaacjames9377]

We captured a kobald that tried to kill us and he immediately told us his whole story after we promised to get him a ham and cheese sandwich.

[@ivanbakly4406]

I love the use of the shadow temple theme in the background for this video

[@trentlermon4934]

Keep in mind that you only have 6 questions and 8 hours to ask them in. And the answers are 1-2 sentences and it says in the spell that the answer CAN be criptic.

[@gavinbrown216]

Which is why Detect Thoughts is the best spell for interrogation

[@HollowGolem]

Alternatively, have the bard seduce the assassin and get him to divulge the truth when his guard is down, probably during pillow talk.

[@ethanbrandt8617]

Que me ripping out an npc's soul whenever I need to interrogate it.

[@njschulze514]

Or hear me out, have the wholesome dad of the party sit there and talk the assassin through their life problems until they build up a strong enough bond to get the answers you need.

[@oddmythic]

Fitting choice of music, the shadow temple was used for torture

[@nicholasmcmahan-watson9405]

I always tell the part of the truth that sounds like the whole truthful statement while hiding what matters.

[@BradleyHonsinger]

No, the simple solution is cast zone of trust, have an ally ask a question, and then cast command answer. I did this in a campaign and definitely broke some local prohibitions on magic use, but we found the BBEG's whereabouts and physical description in that session much earlier than we were supposed to.

[@bobsmith7066]

I find myself using the Zone of Truth spell far more as a DM than I do as a player. It’s only a second level spell, so I think it’s perfectly reasonable for any major city to have clerics capable of casting it. Because of this, any time there’s a trial of something serious like murder a cleric is summoned to cast the spell on all the witnesses. If you don’t intentionally fail the save or if you refuse to speak, it is assumed that you have something to hide. While this system has done wonders for my players rampant murder hoboing, it also leads to some interesting situations where bad guys have been put on trial.

[@gatorfruit]

My party talking about interrogation recently: WHAT IF WE WATERBOARD THEM WITH VERY HOT COFFEE?

[@KorGarrot]

I still love that one time that an assassin was sent after one of my players. when they captured the assassin, they asked, "why are you trying to kill Snuffy?" I got to use a quote from Deadshot. "Gee, why would I, an assassin, be trying to kill someone? Do you think maybe someone paid me to do it?"

[@tothemaxx1991]

I saw someone threaten to play Baby Shark on repeat until they cracked. That sounds like a good plan to me.

[@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim]

Me, knowing that Mindflayers gain knowledge from eaten brains in my setting: Get the brain sucker.

[@Kalleron]

My chaotic-evil goblin bard just casts regenerate on them and gets to torturing with his leather working tools. He's a "creative" taxidermist in his spare time.

[@spencervance8484]

Demiurges happy farm

[@kotyrollins]

"Welp. Turns out he was just an innocent guard" *looks down at freshly killed body. Chucks soul lanturn into the woods* "Oops."

[@josedelgado-cy1vr]

The spell says that the answer can be cryptic

[@Arccent8]

I am a new player, so my party and I captured a small goblin and we just used charm person and asked him questions.After a long time we got some answers. It might not be the best way but it is a great 1st level spell

[@unholy-gi7mi]

My characters signature interrogation ability is I break their fingers one by one

[@chrisframe2227]

Wow. Burning those big spell slots. Just subtle cast (or outside the room before you go in) Detect Thoughts, monitor his surface thoughts and then question them. Prolonged sleep deprivation beforehand will be a huge help if you have the time.

[@nexusinc.4367]

I DONT KNOW! (Rips soul out) "huh, guess he WASNT lying..."

[@SwankyPsammead]

Some issues with Soul Cage: * 6th level spell, not available until level 11 at the earliest, and even then is an expensive resource * only gets you semi-reliable answers (yes, the creature must answer you truthfully and to the best of its ability, but also "The answer is no more than a sentence or two and might be cryptic") * limit of 6 questions per cast * only affects humanoids, all other creature types are completely immune * forces you to kill the victim, when you might for various reasons consider it preferable to keep them alive; not to mention it makes re-casting the spell for another 6 questions impossible My interrogation spell of choice is Detect Thoughts. 2nd level spell, semi-reliable answers depending on whether the victim has been trained to recognize their surface thoughts are being read or not, can be cast repeatedly if unsatisfied with the initial results, allows as many questions per casting as you can fit into 1 minute duration, no saving throw against surface thought reading, allows you to keep the victim alive if you wish. I'm surprised Detect Thoughts didn't merit a mention in your list of other spell options. Soul Cage is definitely still a good tool to have in your kit in the rare cases when Detect Thoughts fails though, as long as the target is a humanoid.

[@rnrgaming4579]

It's a very expensive method but technically simulacrum works too. The simulacrum holds all the information the target knows but also is exclusively obedient to the caster. Also doubles as the perfect if not limited spy

[@TJminty]

Zone of truth became a lot better at my table when we reread the spell. Our DM ran it as zone of truth continues to push on a creature until they break and once they fail, they have to exit the zone to be unaffected and start making saves again if they reenter.

[@xenonuke1194]

Yea that's how the spell is supposed to work. Their only hope is that you don't actually have a way of making them talk

[@franciscodoblado5891]

And this is why I believe Necromancers would be the best detectives in the police forces in any DnD campaign

[@DokuroHeartvore]

If you are a minflayer or a secret eater ghoul from pathfinder 2e, eating is the solution.

[@ComingSoonEntertainment]

The level 5 party watching this video: "Isn't that spell level 6?"

[@camerongunn7906]

Paladin: You're going to do WHAT?

[@rickygore4956]

They *can* intentionally be cryptic. Query Soul reads "-The soul knows only what it knew in life, but it must answer you truthfully and to the best of its ability. The answer is no more than a sentence or two *****and might be cryptic.*****"

[@brucemaximus3797]

I houseruled for my Bard player once: If he was willing to expend a charge from the Soul Cage while casting Speak with Dead, he could force the animus of the soul's corpse to answer all five questions truthfully.

[@ferencfeher2647]

Lower level option. 1) cast zone of truth 2) wait for target to fail save 3) Ask questions 4) Cast command Answer

[@dkat4500]

Better yet, I can drive them literally insane by having them meet my patron and torturing the truth out of them

[@slava2884]

Last time we had an interrogation, I sat in the corner carving up some dead kobolds to feed to our pets. That got out dude talking.

[@ashamansedai]

Damn, should've done that with Voldemort with the way he conveniently left pieces of his soul around

[@alistor1213]

See this is why I miss older editions where it stated in no uncertain terms that capturing harming or destroying souls was unredeemably evil

[@atenek9243]

Alternate solution : suggestion. "It would be best for you if you anwsered our questions clearly and truthfully”

[@Nick-Bel]

I would place the criminal under a place where every second a water drop falls on His forehead

[@frederikex4545]

I am of the opinion that a smartly formulated suggestion spell works wonders to get the truth from someone

[@renardnoir2581]

Me getting out the board, bucket of water, and wash cloth...

[@MrWhyte-np8wi]

Watch the movie Pan's Labrynth. The way the guy got info was by starting off with a knife and then shows his tools. He points to the last one saying "When we get to this. We will be like brothers and I will believe anything you say"

[@guythatisgoofy]

zone of truth and charm person

[@jameswilmshurst6973]

My solution is normally cast the spell “detect thoughts” and use the meta magic “subtle spell” so the person who’s mind you’re reading doesn’t know you’re reading their mind

[@BobThePenguin.]

"Liars get sent to the soul wiggler"

[@Chara_Dreemurr1]

... be a semi fire proof species cleric and cast fireball at my feet. Engulfing myself in flames. Then walk out in a badass way and tell him. "Give us the answers or you'll be joining me in my personal pergatory."

[@EricTheRedWiseman]

This is why i have a Great Old One was a patron deity when i became a warlock and desired forbidden spells :)

[@jacktheprince5524]

Getting the truth? Nah, we beatin' him into the ground.

[@Sprenger2603]

We had this last season, we tortured it out of him. With endless small cuts and we repeated the questions until he stopped lying. Since we had information and therefore had control questions

[@andrewdemetriou9954]

But what if you have no information and his knowledge is critical because it will reveal certain plot. You might need his inof in the next 24 hours, so really it's gonna be physiological interrogation, especially if they are hard core loyalists who have already given their life to the great overlord.

[@Sprenger2603]

@@andrewdemetriou9954 That means you have more than 12 hours for the torture, we have two healers and two sorcerer's and two roughs, we have the know-how for the torture and we have a sorcerer with the ability reading thoughts and changing them. We don't need the questions because they can force him to fail the save. Even if you lie, you think about your answer and we've got a deal

[@katelundberg2029]

Zone of Truth does just work 100% of the time because it has a 10 minute non conc duration and while each person only needs to fail the save once they make saves every single round and you know the moment when they fail the save. Just let them cook in the zone of truth until they fail and start asking questions then. They still can be cryptic though or just not answer so not foolproof but it works and is lower level non-soul stealing too

[@KDZ_Prime]

I ran a character who was a warforged soldier. He had a nearly foolproof way of getting any information from enemies. Torture. He would beat them and revive them repeatedly, usually for hours. The other ranger player with wisdom so high he could be mistaken for Oogway, would analyze his facial expressions to see if he was lying. If he was lying. The war forged beat the crap out of him. If he told the truth, he would heal him and give him some money (Gold Pieces). Eventually, a new method was introduced and the group managed to befriend a Nothic, who could tell us our enemy's secrets. Then one of us got a mind-reading ability, sorting us out perfectly. We still sometimes beat up enemies for info just to make sure you know.

[@anthonycannet1305]

In a recent dnd session playing as a blade singer wizard equipped with an awakened Silken Spite, we went up against a wizard with a bunch of minions on a long street. I was back about 60 feet because I had rp reasons not to aid an npc in the fight, and the wizard saw me and teleported him and a few of the minions right behind me. I then cast steel wind strike, bringing the minions to very low hit points and causing the Silken Spite’s poison to hit the wizard. The rapier’s poison is a dc 15 constitution save to avoid being poisoned for 1 hour, but if you fail by 5 or more (which the wizard did) you’re unconscious during the poison or until you take damage or someone uses their action to shake you awake. So I tied him up, stripped him of his magical equipment like spell books, wands, etc. and after the rest of the minions were defeated I wanted to interrogate him because we didn’t know who sent him after us. We sat him up and I stabbed my rapier through his foot because damage wakes him up. I used that to cause pain while interrogating (and honestly this probably counts on torturing) him. If he refused to answer I’d poison the blade, he’d fail the save and fall unconscious, then I’d twist the sword still in his foot to wake him back up. He failed his con save many times, but we got the information out of him eventually…

[@cameronorr667]

you can also combine suggestion and zone of truth and ask them to tell you

[@TheInstinctWithinV2]

That sounds like a really evil and elaborate way to do it. 20 intelligence, 6 wisdom for sure

[@SallinKari]

Fun fact. The healing skill can also be used to torture... And so beware of a healer with... gray areas of ends justify the means who will use zone of truth and then force you to speak anyways.

[@thejuggernautofspades9453]

The party who killed a noble, 3 commoners and still gets no information

[@greevakstrohos7654]

I'm quite fond of Zone of Truth and Command Answer

[@larrylightfoot22222]

Here I am just eating its brain and using its own memories against it

[@Necroes]

Ahem; Dominate Person. There, I just saved you the material components you'd waste when the spell doesn't successfully capture the soul and now the assassin is just dead.

[@sunnyhooligan6464]

Spam suggestion “speak” + zone of truth or a truth potion, that’s how my players did it. Thank goodness too, the alternative was waterboarding with the truth potion.

[@Kameth]

CIA: ...I'm still going to write this down.

[@liao2211]

Zone of truth, then Command, “answer”

[@lodroth]

Easier solution, and cheaper in terms of spell slots: Suggestion. Suggest the target cooperates and speaks the truth until you part ways. If it fails the save, it will try to pursue the suggestion to the best of its abilities.

[@znorel1895]

If you’re not too keen on using a 6th level spell either there’s always Zone of Truth and command spell (saying “Divulge”). But if we’re talking mechanically Charm person could be also just as effective.

[@puffmattybear6171]

I ran a cleric of knowledge panda character once who would use spinters of bamboo shoved under criminals fingernails as a way to "bring the truth" forward.

[@spencervance8484]

Oww

[@puffmattybear6171]

@@spencervance8484 to be fair he was doing it heretical "pureblood enthusiast" cultists who were killing non human children in the city. My tortle had no remorse for his actions.

[@trollboy2910]

Or suggestion, if he succeeds, then recast.

[@zelouskight24]

Me the usual happy go lucky rouge. “Ok guys give me all the health potions and save those spells.” I then look at the DM. “We can do this the long way or the fast way. But I AM getting that info. And god help you if it is wrong.”

[@sebastiancollins01]

I've used soul cage to learn the true names of the archfey in one of my current games. I basically have a double digit proportion of the Fey Wilds under my whim.

[@jordanfears453]

Or you could just use Detect Thoughts to read their surface level thoughts ( the truth before they lies) as you question them. Better yet, unless you try to read more than surface level thoughts there is no save. Also it's only a second level spell.

[@Nemnar7]

This is exactly what my party and I did our last session. I use mind sliver first for the subtraction of the d4 on the save, then detect thoughts as others in my party asked questions and did some intimidation.

[@Nutellla]

Ah yes of course, let me just quickly rise to level 11 to do that, ez pz

[@EnderPro-yp3nz]

In d&d d5 we have a thing called "fairu glasses" wich lets you see if someone is lying or telling the truth

[@ron1c_064]

Repeatedly break his bones and then use cure wounds to fix them do this repeatedly until he's ready to sing to the heavens

[@1Ring42]

Zone of truth plus suggestion is broken and yes they're both concentration but teamwork makes the dreamwork.

[@benrod178]

Or it means the DM planned on having you interrogate a belligerent brick because he didn't plan a cool way to share that info without looking stupid.

[@HerobrineMC4267]

Even better solution, just keep doing enough damage to keep him as close to death as possible, or, have the Cleric or anyone with Cure Wounds on hand ready their spell to be cast the second this guy goes down at all, so it's a never-ending cycle of death and being brought back, only stopping when the Cleric runs out of slots or the guy talks. Either way, it's a fun way for the Artificer to test out new inventions. Like the Throngler.

[@Gabzy7219]

That's just mean he don't know the answer.... Player : oops

[@Shaderox]

Zone of truth is however a troublesome spell.... It's at the start of each turn they make the save, and it doesn't have the "if a creature makes the save they're immune for 24h" line that some such spells have, so to completely save against Zone of Truth is about 100 saves. So in most cases it's more about how much time you'll have for questions after they finally fail their save.