"The Beyonce of the Group" Explained

[@xRareLove]

Interesting enough, when Little Mix was on the X factor, they tried to push Perrie to be the leader and was given the most solos, but she refused since the beginning, instead focusing on little mix being equal. That’s why they got along great as a 4 member and even as a trio now, their was never any competition and you can tell how much they genuinely are talented together and support each other.

[@naomi.cannibal]

I had no idea! I wasn’t with them in their X factor days. Perrie can saaaang but I’m glad she stayed humble and was looking out for her group. They’re really well balanced

[@ViceBeach]

That’s what I LOVE about little mix toooo

[@MarioMVasilev]

I'm pretty sure they went even beyond that and one of the judges literally wanted her to go solo right then and there. the audience booed him.

[@jxstadri]

@@MarioMVasilev No, he pushed her to be the lead singer, not a soloist cause they literally just got put together!! There's multiple rumors where they allegedly offered Perrie solo offers multiple times, though that was never comfirmed by anyone working with the girls or even by her. But what's funny, they pushed her to be the lead singer, then solo, they tried for Camilla to stay in 5H apparently but she wanted to go solo and the successfully did so

[@ShutupandListen]

Which one is Perrie?

[@NoOneAskedNOA]

I think Nicole from The Pussycat Dolls could be considered “The Beyoncé of the group”. But their situation was so extreme, I don’t know if that’s a fair comparison 😭

[@naomi.cannibal]

Yeah that case is WILD. I can't even name the other girls in the PCD. Did they even sing?

[@musicbydemarcus]

@@naomi.cannibal they all got one solo song on their second album I believe

[@naomi.cannibal]

@@musicbydemarcus i aint gonna lie, Ive never heard it... but the girls HATE Nicole now. I need to dive into that tea, but honestly, I would be resentful too

[@addisondenman5835]

Bahja was the Beyonce of OMG Girlz

[@naomi.cannibal]

@@addisondenman5835 i miss the OMG Girlz :(

[@Louisjcx]

Little Mix never had a Beyoncé. They are all extremely talented and compliment eachother so well, it was always a unit with them. I actually really enjoyed them as a three because they were more experimental with music, fashion, and visuals. The girls are now the third biggest girl band in history. ❤️

[@naomi.cannibal]

They also seemed more balanced and cohesive as a trio

[@jodavitow]

They did try to push Perrie into being the main vocalist for a hot minute tho, during x factor and their early career, but luckily they dropped that seeing that the fans didn't really care for it (plus it being vey clear that the other girls were also great singers on their own)

[@ultimatefirecracker1486]

They wanted Perrie to be the Beyonce of the group because of her vocals and back then she was considered the best vocalist and also her involvement with her ex boyfriend Zayn of One direction.

[@vanxyo]

All 3 are beyoncés

[@Paris-jv8xo]

@@naomi.cannibal 🙊 that part

[@yassssssssss6257]

actually in my opinion, I feel like Victoria Justice was the failed Beyonce and Ariana was like the mega successful Michelle of the victorious cast.

[@naomi.cannibal]

interesting take… do say more 👀

[@yassssssssss6257]

@@naomi.cannibal Victoria Justice was the favored one and had a big supporting from nickelodeon & their general audience and was kinda expected to be the solo star of the group kinda like beyonce was, but her career didn’t end up exactly where it was expected. Ariana Grande relates to michelle in the sense that they were overlooked in the beginning and were on the sidelines but on the other hand Ariana’s career skyrocketed.

[@safeiyathompson2540]

@@kait7404 I want to say Jade/ Elizabeth Gillies was the Kelly

[@keyon659]

@@kait7404 I think she became a fan favorite after the way ft Mac

[@saranguyen2788]

Victoria had more seniority than Ariana since Victoria also starred in Zoey 101 & Spectacular. Ariana is also a rich theater kid with connections. She was smart in how she uses her connections despite not being lead. Her leveraging KZbin and being involved with Big Sean & Mac Miller at the height of their careers was a big push also. Victoria had Nicks support but she was too dependent on them to where she didn’t seem like able or relatable enough to her audience. Ariana does that extremely well

[@Scanned]

Liam’s claim was more accurately that the group was formed around him, which actually was likely. Simon wanted to make a boyband. Liam was a returning contestant. And he had the best audition of the boys. In the first couple live show performances on X Factor, Liam was clearly the frontman. That shifted as Harry became more popular. By the end of the season, you could see Harry has already come more into the forefront. By the time they released their debut album, Harry was the clear face of the group, while he, Liam, and Zayn mostly split leads. With that said, Liam showed his ass and then some.

[@bbbbrendaaaaa]

Funny how fast the night changes. With the footage the xfactor just released we can see Niall-harry-louis were the first members of one direction

[@hannahnur6784]

It’s crazy how people didn’t believe Liam when he said that he was told that he could have been the leader. listen to the first two albums, watch the X Factor performances, then watch him start most of the songs on tour and you see Liam take the lead for most of it. Now the video from X Factor drops with Nicole saying that yes indeed he could be the leader. He never lied at all. He just explained what someone said to him not that he himself believed it. Also if you were young and gaslighted by a crooked music industry predator who gives you’re supposed spot to someone else after all of your sacrifices it might leave you a bit jaded. He speaks honestly about this in his music when he says that he was jaded and he’s self medicated. Liam himself talks about how misunderstood he is and again he isn’t lying people just love to hate him. People would have crumbled with a fraction of the pressure that was put on him yet they have the nerve to stand in judgment and speak on a person that they don’t even know.

[@SupernaturalLove100]

How’d he show his ass when you just essentially confirmed everything he said? Y’all want him to lie and that’s sad when many of u call for these celebrities to be “transparent” and shxt. At this point y’all just like to demonize or hear what u wanna hear cuz I can’t figure out how u just said all this and managed to say he was showin his ass 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@madisonbusby1457]

@@bbbbrendaaaaa just because they were put in the band first doesn’t mean anything, it was just how the boys were put into the pile of pictures of each contestant

[@duringk5451]

Exactly the way people crucified Liam when he said that. I mean people need to understand how ENT business works. Liam didn't lie ,I can bet you Simon had intentions of pushing him as the face of the group but later diverted. Simon is the fault here not liam cause he just said what actually started with the group and it was true he was initially the one being pushed as the Beyonce but later the focus diverted to Harry when they noticed he seemed to be getting more of the popularity.

[@drownedinlullabies512]

In kpop, the main Beyoncé of the group was Suzy from miss A. She got a lot more promotions, cfs, acting and modeling jobs whilst the other members were pushed to the side. After the group separated, the only one who still has a decent, well-known career is Suzy as an actress

[@naomi.cannibal]

I’m a Kpop fan but I’ve truly never really listened to Miss A, and the only member I can name is Suzy. I guess that fits your point!

[@drownedinlullabies512]

@@naomi.cannibal same with hani from Exid or I wanna say seolhyun from aoa

[@tadmira127dreamuvtadmir2]

Jennie of blackpink

[@what-dd9fs]

Hyuna is definitely a huge example as well

[@drownedinlullabies512]

@@what-dd9fs oh yea when she was in 4minute, she definitely was To the point that cube only resigned her and disbanded the group altogether

[@happynappydrj5238]

I noticed that Harry was the most professional member of OneDirection. He seemed to work the hardest at consistently engaging with the fans and learning about the industry. His current success is a result of hard work and paying attention during his OneD days. Maybe it comes down to work ethic because no one is outworking Queen B. She is a true Virgo.

[@naomi.cannibal]

This is an awesome point. I’m sure professionalism/ work ethic plays a large role!

[@lilianarose3202]

not really true when that was just in front of the scene but louis literally wrote the most songs so they all worked tirelessly

[@giovrci]

@@lilianarose3202 But who is more relevant now?

[@suntzu751]

Harry could sing and look good but never wrote anything, Loui is the least successful from them yet he did most of the writing

[@kirandhillon9159]

@@lilianarose3202 lol who's the most relevant of the group?? And if louis is that good of a songwriter why aren't we hearing his songs no one besides his little fan base cares about him

[@cinabunie]

i wanna say that harry and zayn were in a league of their own during 1d. though i do wish zayn was as “mainstream” as harry, i think he could’ve done numbers with his second album if he was in the right label.

[@naomi.cannibal]

Agree. They were the best 2 by far

[@nnajiugochukwu3810]

let's say the lead was uncertain, it still wasn't liam Payne vs anyone, it was more of a harry styles vs zayne

[@naomi.cannibal]

exactly!! Liam was never in the running

[@kiki13451]

EXACTLY. I remember when Zayn left and Harry was still popular obviously but Zayn carried the high notes and when he left it was passed onto Harry which I feel like helped make him become MORE famous. He was always the cute one that could sing but afterwards we saw that he could SING which caused him to skyrocket

[@nnajiugochukwu3810]

@@kiki13451 liam is actually really good vocally I think he might be as good as harry or better, but as for fame/lead band mate, it just wasn't him

[@Kevin-rg3yc]

Normani definitely has alot of potential to be the true successor to fifth harmony she just needs to a better label backing her (I always felt interscope or republic records), 100% get a better management team, find her own sound and release more music (not just singles, but EPs, mixtapes and eventually her debut solo studio album) she can also raise her profile by dividing more into fashion since she’s starting to make name in the fashion industry and since she stayed a long time she aspires acting since she was a kid, she could also do that

[@naomi.cannibal]

I agree. If anyone can give Camila a run for her money it's her. I would love to see Normani sign with Interscope. From what I know of them they actually promote their artists and let them release a lot of music. I've also noticed we haven't got a release date from mis mani yet...

[@lindavaleriaparischinchill2279]

@@naomi.cannibal camila flopped after romance actually normani could dethrone her

[@naomi.cannibal]

@@lindavaleriaparischinchill2279 i think she will once her debut album drops!! people are really rooting for her

[@tatum635]

I love normani but she was the weakest vocalist in 5H. I’ve been following them since the xfactor.

[@ivansentosa7699]

@@tatum635 true..she is a dancer..not a singer tbh.... so prolly la travia of the group would fit her just well

[@jani4117]

I would say TLC is a perfect example of each person being labeled the beyoncé of the group at some point of time. Literally all three members had the same amount of fans and nobody got more attention than the other. T-boz had a bit of an edge because of her unique voice but so many people also flocked toward Chilli for her beauty and Left eye for her boldness and style. So they all definitely had that beyoncé it factor.

[@perdybirdie]

I wish more girl groups were like this, little mix is a good example. I think groups with this dynamic work better and have more lasting power anyway

[@chrisman3431]

@@perdybirdie I don't think the same formula applies to every single group. Every groups can have equal parts. Most of these type groups produce any breakout star 9 times out of 10. Even TLC despite having 3 BIG personalities

[@joyceking8789]

With TLC one would not have survived above the other they all needed each other but left eye was the real talent she wrote a lot of the songs

[@toumbadarhyl]

And so En Vogue !

[@ii954]

I think the difference is they encouraged the members to have their own lane sort of speak. Like each member contributed their own thing and the producers treated them all with the same amount of care, whereas Destiny’s child from the jump had Beyonces father calling a lot of the shots with Kelly being her best friend. Ik B would never admit it out loud, but it is an unfair advantage she had over the other members in terms of being seen as her father’s favorite

[@_pizzashiz]

as a former hardcore harmonizer, i could see why most fans gravitated towards Camila she def was the most popular but also the label made it the Camila show, so it was kinda hard to look away. IMO When she started hanging out with A list teen celebrities (Taylor swift, Selena Gomez, Victoria secret models, Shawn) she did set aside her relations with 5h which obviously caused some drama. At one point I did think she wasn’t meant to be in a group, she lacked that sisterhood quality that most groups should have.

[@armywithluv55]

Lmao i remember this, when you listen to the songs, almost all the songs Camila sings most of the parts of the songs

[@Azarath_Metrion_Zinthos]

Most groups don't have a sisterhood/brother hood quality tbh it's just business/work and they'd fake it for their brand to sell among their fans. That's why in K-pop skinship among same-sex members are very much promoted cuz the fans love it.

[@chaeryeongstheloml9073]

Bro wdym lacking sisterhood?? "As a former harmonizer-" Shut the fuck up. You can't call yourself a harmonizer than go on say shit like Camila was lacking sisterhood when in fact she was the most energetic and has the best bond with them all, especially Dinah. Watchu lacking? Stfu "former harmonizer"

[@chaeryeongstheloml9073]

Tf u mean abt her lacking sisterhood?? She's literally so close with all of them and they all have the most wonderful friendship with each other. Have you even seen their socm and all their post of each other? You can't say shit like that without even knowing their whole friendship. Stfu.

[@chaeryeongstheloml9073]

@Day Her having the most lines is your compliant when in fact she's not even the one who's in charge of their group. It's not her fault that their management gives her the most line and shit, are you dumb? She gets hated the most from ppl that aren't even on the Fandom for the most UNREASONABLE shit.

[@rodrigoloupa197]

I agree, Harry has the best solo career out of 1D, but I feel like comparing Zayn with Harry is not really fair since what holds him down is his anxiety and his lack of promo, but I recently heard his other albums and he makes really solid R&B music, I was honestly quite impressed by his artistry. I think Harry is great, but I also think he has a better label and his music is more mainstream unlike Zayn.

[@naomi.cannibal]

I honestly prefer Zayn’s music and vocals. I was chatting with my cousin and I think we came to the conclusion that Zayn would be the top choice for a LiveLounge or something similar, while Harry would do a better concert. You’re right that Zayn’s sound is less mainstream so it makes it hard for him to be promoted like Harry. I also genuinely don’t even think he wants that so 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@rodrigoloupa197]

@@naomi.cannibal Exacly!! Zayn would be great for a LifeLounge or even a performance in his house. I feel like although for some people might think his career is underwhelming and could be better if he tried to promote and all, I feel like what is the most important aspect in an artist is making good music and have his own direction, and he does that imo, he has some tracks that I love and feel different from what a ex-member from a huge boy band normally does. Still think Harry is great, but idk, Zayn's music hits different, maybe it's because I love R&B

[@naomi.cannibal]

@@rodrigoloupa197 I feel like a Zayn Tiny Desk concert would be just what we need rn… and yes he’s not afraid to do more experimental sounds and venture outside of generic pop he knows will sell which I really appreciate

[@rodrigoloupa197]

@@naomi.cannibal If you don't mind me to ask, what are ur favorite songs by him and did u like his last album?

[@naomi.cannibal]

@@rodrigoloupa197 Like I Would I think is my favorite of his. And my faves of Icarus Falls are Imprint and Stand Still. I like most of the songs but I don’t think it was a cohesive habit. I also don’t think many of them are bringing anything that’s fresh or hasn’t been done before. But to me that doesn’t mean they’re not enjoyable, just nothing to write home about. No matter what the album was way too long

[@mothermovementa]

Zayns voice was for sure the strongest in 1D.

[@kate1kate]

I agree.

[@theovandermerwe997]

Without a damn doubt!

[@3xitthissid3]

if it weren't for his anxiety disorder I think he'd have a bigger career.

[@CasuallyCruelCrushesClub]

This is the reason why I love Little Mix so much, we don't have a fan favorite in our fandom all of the members are equally appreciated. I think the same can be said for Why Don't We, Blackpink and BTS

[@naomi.cannibal]

I agree, sometimes the blinks are mean to jisoo but overall appreciate ot4

[@CasuallyCruelCrushesClub]

@@naomi.cannibal i love jisoo so much 🥺

[@kaylee9185]

same applies to bts

[@CasuallyCruelCrushesClub]

@@kaylee9185 i know

[@khouloudaithsain9215]

Ooh , that's not ...

[@jetsofaqua2206]

It’s funny how history repeats itself with girl groups. Back in the DC days my grandma would tell us that Beyoncé was the “Dianna Ross of Destiny’s child” and then our gen called Camilla Cabello the “Beyoncé of fifth harmony”

[@tchew2545]

Yeah my mom said the same… and i had just enough Motown exposure to be able to see that she DEFINITELY was!

[@veraroland6329]

No one has ever referred to Camilla as that I’m afraid

[@ltpa1716]

Y mean Normani

[@salamander8301]

@@ltpa1716 normani is FLOP she can't sing !

[@trentjohnson3302]

I mean technically that was the inspiration behind her playing Deena in dream girls. It was a tale of The Supremes

[@Cullengirl231]

First time I see someone say Camila wasn't the fan favorite, when she clearly was from x factor days until the day she left the group. Back during xfactor she and lauren were almost equal in popularity due to the Camren ship (like larry) however once their friendship soured, it seems most fans blamed lauren for it and took camila's side. I remember by the time she left she had over 15 million more followers than the other girls. She was the fan favorite and the label's favorite too.

[@st3458]

Then and now I still don’t get how zayn leaving one direction was that serious that girls were literally having a breakdown like they just had a bad breakup also Liam comments are hilarious because literally when they came out it was pretty obvious Harry was the star and Liam was literally the last person people was thinking about when they thought of the group honestly half the time it felt like he wasn’t even there

[@naomi.cannibal]

Them parasocial relationships ain’t no joke…

[@mariakiwi1428]

The fact that I can still remember the image of my middle school’s hallway when the announcement dropped. Running from classroom to classroom to friends and telling them. Bro…

[@naomi.cannibal]

@@mariakiwi1428 I remember I was in the cafeteria and all my friends lost it. I thought our friend who was absent that day had passed or something bc of how they were all reacting

[@koreaboo1437]

Harry and zyan was the most popular.

[@Badonks7121]

Wait a minute y’all not gon act like Strip That Down wasn’t a bop

[@kingmatolo8381]

Beyoncé always does something really smart . She always modifies her songs for her live performances. She will modify the keys , tone, slow or speed up the song, modify the runs, etc to suit her voice . Since she's also doing choreo, she wants to sing in a way that won't strain her vocals. In the end , she's able to finish a 2 hour show without sounding winded.

[@The_waterbearer]

And tbh Little Mix sonically sounded better when Jesy left the group. Jesy is a good singer in her own right but Leigh-Anne, Jade, and Perrie have similar tones so they just blend better .And they could all trade off on each others parts if they wanted too. Jesy's voice kinda stuck out. and depending on your taste that could be a good or bad thing.

[@keyon659]

I HATED Jesy's voice I'm sorry

[@ultimatefirecracker1486]

I agree with you jade Leigh Anne and Perrie kinda have the same tones of voice but when I listen to Jesy’s parts it’s like a complete different genre it’s giving rock or metal when I hear her voice 🤷🏾‍♂️😂

[@perriexdaily]

perrie has a completely different tone than leigh and jade, it’s more dark stronger and “fuller”

[@keyon659]

@@perriexdaily but it can mesh well with the othres

[@perriexdaily]

@@keyon659 yea you can still blend with having different tones. what jesy lacked was a good vibrato, she kept faking this weird “natural” fast vibrato that was just out of place

[@dans3182]

To put a little bit of a spin on this, Naturi Naughton from 3LW is arguably the most successful member after being overshadowed in the group. She’s gone on to do blockbuster films and shows.

[@naomi.cannibal]

I’m glad she prevailed!!

[@AngelicaAngel888_]

Rightfully so, I just wished she could showcase her voice more. She's a powerhouse vocally.

[@odilejones9129]

I think you can definitely apply this to tv shows as well. For example Johnny Depp in 21 jump street, Jennifer Anniston in Friends, Zendaya in Euphoria, Cole Sprouse in Riverdale, Betty White in Golden Girls. Jim Parsons in the Big Bang Theory, Chloe and Halle in Grownish

[@naomi.cannibal]

I completely agree! My only one thing is a lot of these people (like Zendaya) were famous before that show, so they were already going to get the most attention out of the cast. But I do think shows have breakout stars and “Beyonces” too!

[@alishehroz3597]

Lol no. I mean yes Betty was the biggest star out of all 4 golden girls but that was because of her overall career. From golden girls, they all came out as Beyonce.

[@nikkil4561]

Maddy is definitely the Beyoncé

[@Azarath_Metrion_Zinthos]

Jennifer Aniston is no doubt, the Beyoncé of Friends cast lol 🤭 i think in the recent seasons of Riverdale Cole Sprouse seems to be Beyoncé of the cast... Just my hunch... Though AJ Kapa was star centre during the earlier seasons but then it somehow focused more on Cole Sprouse more i believe.

[@cannibalisticrequiem]

Disagree about Betty White. As much as I loved her, the only reason she suddenly became the embodiment of the Bad Ass Old Lady meme was due to Bea Arthur passing in 2009. Bea had been enjoying a resurgence of popularity through stuff like Futurama, and when they randomly asked her to Comedy Central's Roast for Pamela Anderson. Had she not have died in 2009 of lung cancer, I guarantee she would have become the face of memes like Betty White did, Bea would have been on Hot in Cleveland, and been cast as the fiesty grandmother in bit roles for movies. That's not even the first time it's happened-- just look at Kevin James's career. Many of his roles are more or less the same doofy fat guy that relies on a lot of prat falls and physical comedy to get laughs. It might not seem very out of place... until you look at films like the 'Grown Ups' series with Adam Sandler, Chris Rock, David Spade, and Rob Schneider-- a mini SNL reunion, or 'I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry', or the Adam Sandler produced 'Paul Blart: Mall Cop' and you realize those roles were for Chris Farley. Chris Farley _was_ *that* comedian on SNL, and he was best friends with Sandler, Spade, and Schneider... but Farley died of a drug overdose in 1997. Had Farley kept his nose clean, he would have absolutely gotten the role on The King of Queens, and would keep appearing in Adam Sandler films - but sadly he didn't. Farley really idolized John Belushi (another SNL comedian that did the same humor as Farley, and arguably would have gone on to have every role in film his brother Jim Belushi got from 1982 through the 90s for being "John Belushi's brother", and would have starred in the "According to Jim" sitcom-- which obviously would have been titled "According to John"), and wanted to model his entire life after the comedian, which unfortunately meant also developing a drug problem like Belushi, and dying young like Belushi too.

[@saranguyen2788]

Camilla was favored in 5th Harmony since the beginning because they knew she was the most marketable. Her voice & personality made her the most unique & relatable so she was definitely set up to be the break out. Demi & Taylor also had a hand singling her out publicly. Personally, when I was into the group, my favorite was Lauren. I liked her vibe and I do think she was the most popular. Camila was well liked & had the most connections Demi, Taylor, Demi, Shawn etc

[@rhodesgrec1648]

Lauren's still my favourite

[@saranguyen2788]

@@ST-vg3vs Relationship PR. Dating in the industry gives you more exposure to the press. Celebs sometimes date to help each others overall career or certain projects. This is well documented

[@kanchansidhwani4784]

@@saranguyen2788 You are saying just about anything. First , I don't think it was a PR. Second , the video is clearly talking about the time they were in brand to their first albums. Camila wasn't even with Shawn and they both always had separate careers. You just want to discount her hard work. Because Normani dated Khalid and Lauren was with Dollar but we ignore that. They made a song together in 2015 and it did well without them dating.

[@saranguyen2788]

@@kanchansidhwani4784 So you're going to completely ignore most of what I said to attempt to make a point? If you watched X factor, Demi singled her out as the favorite from the beginning and openly said it. I never said she didn't/doesn't work hard. Don't put words in my mouth. I'm saying she was favored and had more connections than the others members of the group. That's a fact, get over it.

[@bruhvibes5941]

I'll never get the preference for Camilla, she was less vocally talented than Lauren and Dinah and also less talented in dancing compared to Normani. Also her whole quirky girl personality is so overdone but I guess that's marketable. 🤥

[@thenewmexicantexan]

What a great video! I love that you included K Pop too! I find Blackpink's Jennie and Lisa similar to Nsync's JC and Justin, respectively, since Jennie and JC were poised to be the lead singers of their group, but Lisa and Justin became like a second lead/fan faves and eventually went on to have very successful solo careers. Lisa is just embarking on hers! She definitely has that Beyonce energy on stage ✨️

[@naomi.cannibal]

Thank you! And I originally didn’t think blackpink had a “Beyoncé”, but as I’ve read a lot of comments I can definitely see the argument for Lisa/ Jennie. They’ve always been the “favorites” for most blinks but I think with their long hiatus they’re the ones who have best been able to remain in the public eye. I would say Jisoo too, but most of her presence has been with Dior/ fashion. I reallllly want her to take the elegant actress route once they disband

[@thenewmexicantexan]

@@naomi.cannibal yesss!!! I love Jisoo and think she is so beautiful, also appreciate the deeper tone of her voice. Thanks for responding 😇🥰

[@cryptic4762]

Ally Brooke is an interesting case. Low Key was a great commercial bop, and if it were Normani it'd be top 40 no doubt. Instead, since it was Ally, it barely got onto bubbling. There was actually a lot of hype behind Ally's debut work. Her first 3ish singles did moderately well, they all charted on at least 1 chart. She is no doubt the best singer of the group vocally, and honestly probably top 20 vocalist of this generation. Great belts, good support, good larynx placement, vocal control, fairly healthy lower register and okayish high register. She can really be something great... if she had the team to help her. But she doesn't That said, she was no doubt the least favorite 5H member. But she's done better than Dinah and Lauren (despite Lauren having the best debut single of all 5). But all 3 of these girls have tapered off. It's really just Normani and Camila. Still think Ally has potential, and Lauren has a very dedicated fan base. There could be a future for them. But it's been 6 years now... should've had solo work released within 2-3 years MAXIMUM because now the hype has worn off and the market is flooded with new artists like Billie and Olivia Rodrigo to steal the spotlight that they could've had. Normani has a hugely dedicated fanbase, but even then she's not making as many waves as I'd have thought after Love Lies and Dancing With A Stranger making top 10. An interesting solo career for everyone in 5H. Lots of wasted potential, but hopefully something comes out of it all

[@AB-jh8he]

They would be so successful if they had already released at leat one album each ... You are so right

[@naomi.cannibal]

Ally is interesting. At some point I’m hoping to do a video on how ally Dinah and Lauren’s careers are going because while they’ve release music too it’s not getting as much attention

[@daaanxii]

Out of all the four of them, I think Ally got the most projects and work experience and I'm so proud of her. She got to be in DWTS, performed in Miss Universe, in different US and Spanish shows, starred in a movie, published a book, etc. She have achieved so much, but her team really need to promote her well and give her the right music and sound that fits her vocals. And for Dinah, i feel so sad that she was so left behind, her management is trash. She have sooooo many good songs but they were all flopped. It's sad. Dinah is also one of the best vocalists in our generation. Dinah and Normani are more likely the Beyoncé of Fifth Harmony, it's just Camila have more the star quality from the very start. And for Lauren, she's also one of the faves in the group, but she didn't do well as a solo, well, she doesn't really care about the super fame, billions of stream/views, she's now an independent artist and wanted to creatively write her art and share it to the fans. That's what matter to her now. So, overall, i hope that five of them have better management. I also think Epic records is still holding them on their necks, which blocks the 4 from releasing their debut albums and doing bigger solo projects...

[@royalmata]

@@naomi.cannibal I would love a video like this!! Please do it!

[@notorious.a.r.i.]

@@naomi.cannibal please make this video still please!!!

[@joyful6610]

Love Harry but Zayn is the better singer. He does well even with out promotion. If he did not have anxiety issues, amongst other problems I believe he would be just as successful. Harry works hard, is well promoted and does not have anxiety like Zayn.

[@naomi.cannibal]

totally agree!! zayn is an amazing vocalist

[@TheArtofBeingReacts]

Y'all might be too young idk but this happened in another boy band called N'Sync. Imo everyone knew JC Chavez was the best vocalist in the group, but Justin Timberlake was the one to go on and be a solo star. Like Harry Justin is an aquarius btw...I think personality and drive makes a star in the industry not necessarily talent. Beyonce was just as talented as the other girls in the original group for sure, but later after going solo while many of the other girls were overshadowed and went off onto depression Beyonce still stayed working and her vocals got stronger too.

[@perdybirdie]

Zayn also isn't fully white and looks ethnic. Unfortunately that plays a part ad well and his image being seen as angry and aggressive hurts him too

[@whimiscalwaffles]

@@TheArtofBeingReacts the only reason why jt is relevant is cause of janet and britney or else he wouldve been a one hit wonder

[@TheArtofBeingReacts]

@@whimiscalwaffles I will say dating Britney seemed to level up his status fr..!

[@fernandanascimento5712]

as a kpop fan for almost 10 years i think that there's less favoritism now in this new generation than before. Suzy from Miss A, Hyuna from 4minute are just some examples from 2gen kpop. I think that the agencies started to realize that's way more beneficial for them to keep the artists in the label and make more money out of solo activities, including acting, modeling and stuff (since kpop agencies are not just about music)

[@jai6888]

I completely agree! I think 3rd gen and 4th gen groups don't tend to have a Beyoncé as you say, with the only exceptions I can think of being IOI from whom we get Chungha for example (and also Somi sort of), and from IZ*ONE Wonyoung too. Another example of 2nd gen favouritism is Sistar, from which we obviously got Hyolyn herself. 2NE1 had CL, another example. MAMAMOO has Hwa Sa now (3rd gen), but to be fair the other three members also get solo promotions. I also remember how in 2018 Jennie was painted by YG to be the Beyoncé of BLACKPINK right before her solo era, when she was in the white outfit and the other members were in black (similar to what Starship did with IVE and Wonyoung recently) and that was favouritism. It'll be interesting to see if Nayeon becomes the Beyoncé of twice after her solo debut, or if JYP will give other members equal opportunities. Sorry this was super long; I just felt super happy to see another Kpop stan! :)

[@atinyamone3024]

Hyolyn from sistar she sang most of the songs and CL of 2ne1

[@jodavitow]

@@jai6888 Nayeon feels to me more like a Camila situation. She still feels very forced down my throat 9/10 TWICE songs. She gets the first center, and the first line, and the chorus, and the adlibs, and the best outfits, etc. It's a bit much. Specially considering a couple of her fellow members are just as good as her if not better. She feels pushed because the label chose to and not because she's more talented than the other girls or because it was a natural response of the fan base to gravitate towards her. It's even more aggravating since TWICE fans are constantly asking for more time to shine from other members. And don't get me wrong. I actually really enjoy Nayeon, but when I first came into TWICE, Nayeon really put me off because it felt like they were trying to convince me she was the best rather than letting me decide on my own who I liked. Which made me dislike her for a while until she grew on me. She's clearly very talented and charismatic and likeable, but still it would be nice to be able to appreciate that on my own rather than having it forced.

[@jai6888]

@@jodavitow I do completely see where you're coming from. Looking at any TWICE line distribution videos, Nayeon is first 90% of the time and it gets alarming. Sometimes TWICE becomes Nayeon and friends. I feel like recently they've been improving that by creating more killing parts for other members, with songs like Scientist and Alcohol Free giving other members good parts (Momo's bridge in Scientist or the Dubchaeng rap duo in Alcohol Free come to mind). Regardless, Nayeon was top 3 with regards to line distribution for both songs so your point still stands. The issue is that from debut, Nayeon's official role has been the face of the group, like Jennie from BLACKPINK or more recently aespa's Karina, and so having the most lines and being centre all the time is part of her position. I do agree completely that TWICE ought to be more balanced in how they go about achieving this, and I think rby allowing members to write their own b-sides and by having sub-unit tracks in Formula of Love, we are on the right track.

[@jodavitow]

@@jai6888 yeah but let's look at a group like ITZY, which is the same label. Ruyjin is center and face of the group too but she doesn't feel shoved down our throats. Their line distribution is (or at least feels) balanced. All of them get their moments to shine, who starts the songs varies, center position is constantly changing, they even started doing some variation for center in the final "crown pose" they do, they started including chae into the chorus line, etc. ITZY is a group that actually feels like they make an effort to showcase all of their members more or less equally. TWICE is 100% my favorite kpop girl group but very often it just feels like the Nayeon show featuring Jihyo

[@MA-ou2dk]

Harry styles seemed like he took being a musician seriously the most out of them because he was planning a head of his career and trying to learn as much as he can while he was in the band as he said himself. He knew he was charming and charismatic so what he needed was to get better at making music. He went and did a lot of songwriting with professionals outside of oneD. He was practicing a lot and kept a lot his songs outside of the band and for himself, even while in the band he worked and focused on getting better at his job so he could have a successful solo career. He took being at one direction as being in Uni, he worked smart and hard and once he graduated from it his hard work paid off. So when you combine that with his popularity it makes sense why he’s the most successful now.

[@MA-ou2dk]

@Louis Kingsta maybe but the main reason stays that he was the most guarded of all of them

[@jj6014]

Actually Camila was definitely the favorite in in the fandom by far. Along with Ally, Normani was the least popular in the fandom. Literally 75% of the fandom left when Camila left😭This is why their last album together flopped terribly because our fandom was in shambles. Everyone in that dumb fandom ignored Normani and we know exactly why :( This is why Normani will always have my love and support. She didn’t have the label push that Camila had. She didn’t even have a lot of fans. All she had was her talent. She was an underdog and still managed to be successful dispute being overlooked by the fans and the label. I knew the amount of potential she had the first time I saw her. Everybody was saying her solo career wasn’t going to do well. Look at her now. Even today people still underestimate her. I can’t wait for her album because I know she will prove people wrong like she always does. She deserves all this success and recognition after being ignored by the label, media and fans for years.

[@ivansentosa7699]

Seems you wouldve to wait for a loooooonngg time for normani for that matter

[@goshdarndenim]

75% of their fans did not leave after Camila left. Lol. Their last album flopped because they had little push and a horrible lead single with Down that was clearly the Label's poor attempt at getting another Work from Home hit, even going so far as to use the same writers and sound. Which made the general public ignore them, and caused the label to give even less money and promotion for their next singles. I would also argue Dinah and Ally were last in popularity. IMO Lauren and Normani showed the most talent in the X Factor Days.

[@ivansentosa7699]

@@goshdarndenim no i dont think so..they and gp did leave 5h indeed after camila left the group abruptly... that's why they flopped hard on their self titled third album sale... only hardcore harmonizers ot4 who did not leave them, which barely consisted of around 25% of their original fans figure....bur since camila also tanked with her second and third album, moatly due to ot4 fans attack towards camila's reputation and her past racism issue, the cruel music labels and execs bts would swear that no other girls from 5h incl normani would manage to outshine camila ever afterwards.... bout normani..she is just a background dancer, not truly a singer...even in the x factor days she sang terribly flat and offkey most of the time..and in her later solo career heavily depends on lipsinging all the time on her so called live performances (jimmy fallon's fair for example the latest of which).. despite those black folks backing her up like crazy... it would never happen for her unfortunately... and karma is a biatch

[@goshdarndenim]

@@ivansentosa7699 I wasn't speaking to you. Don't ever address me again.

[@ivansentosa7699]

@@goshdarndenim its my call to address whomever bitches..not yours

[@iosashes2087]

I appreciate the breakdown because a lot of people are lost on what being “the Beyoncé” means and this was a great explanation! I will say tho, while the public goodwill of group members like Liam and Camila has soured for obvious and deserved reasons, to say they weren’t more popular members in their groups is a bit of a stretch. As someone around the 1D fandom and DEEP in the 5H fandom during the 2010s, Camila was by far the most popular member in 5H by all accounts and Liam was maybe second or third with Louis and Niall being the most forgotten. 5H initially started with both Camila and Lauren pushed as lead members in different ways. Their dynamic was definitely more “marketability” influenced than 1Ds. With their fan demographic being mostly white and Latina girls at first, they positioned the group to mostly serve that demographic by marketing the white Latina (Lauren) and the light skinned brown Latina (Camila) together. Lauren’s push as one of the main girls in the group seemed to wane a bit as she became more outspoken, rebellious, and disillusioned with the idea of being a pop star. By the Reflection era, Normani was becoming a co-#2 in the group while Dinah and Ally remained in the background, and even after Camila left Lauren and Normani were still positioned as the lead members despite Dinah taking over as stage general during their tours. But it was definitely very intentional how their team attempted to push Camila over the other girls once the group really started rolling. So much to the point where Normani had to share her chorus lead (Bo$$) with Camila live but choruses they both sang on (like Worth It) were only given to Camila live. You definitely nailed how they tried to make Camila’s voice recognizable with their sound.

[@naomi.cannibal]

15 year old me was getting my LIFE whenever Lauren made her lol shady/ passive aggressive comments in interviews. It was so odd to see that she was clearly suffering and it seemed like the other girls too, while Camila acted like she was having a wonderful time. But I feel like it’s because they genuinely did have different experiences while in the same group

[@iosashes2087]

@@naomi.cannibal LOL same! I always loved and appreciated how Lauren never held back from speaking her mind. I really don’t blame her for being over it earlier than the other girls based on how they were being treated. I think all of the girls handled stuff very differently. The stuff that Ally has spoken about going through since their hiatus is haunting as it seems it was miserable for her specifically from the beginning. Camila I think was just happy to have friends and fame at that point since she didn’t have either at first. When the relationships started souring is when she started acting distant. Looking back on it, it’s very obvious why Camila and Normani are the most successful ones because they really wanted it the most. They wanted to be stars. Lauren I think wanted to, but she saw what she’d have to do and said “ain’t no way” lol. Ally wants it in a way but I think she can also be her own worst enemy when it comes to direction. Dinah always had the talent but not necessarily the ambition. She was pretty much there to sing, have fun, and help provide for her family. At the end of the day, it seems they were all suffering and being out against each other by a whole machine designed to break people down and get maximum use out of them. Based on more recent words from Lauren, Camila, and Dinah, their story of the breakup is starting to be pretty cohesive and fair that not one of them was solely responsible but it was a result of the powers around them not doing their job.

[@vocalstan2954]

Liam was never second most popular and was only third during the group's first 2 years. Louis and Niall eclipsed him in popularity in the group's 3rd year onwards.

[@SupernaturalLove100]

“Light skin brown latin bxtch WHAT? either you’re trolling or deeply confused about Camila’s phenotype 🥴💀 Her and Lauren are both racially WHITE..literally the same complexion. Do not play like that pls because BROWN WHERE? this is what contributes to the misinformation abt Latinas being able to be WHITE. is Jennifer Lopez brown too? Bc if a tan means you’re brown than I guess Lopez is no longer pale. When u say brown, do you mean DINAH? Ally?! who could actually pass for brown? 💀 I’m Blk Latina from Miami, same city as Camila, and it’s funny you’d think she’s regarded as anything other than white Latina here. She is NOT brown.

[@tatum635]

Camila was definitely the favorite with or without the label pushing her hardest.

[@Geonard]

She got 7 #1 album now with RENAISSANCE. Her relativity is INSANE! That’s what you get when you are the QUEEN.

[@jasminejames127]

Make it 8 with Cowboy Carter ❤🎉

[@FIRXFLY]

This is why it's so important to have a well rounded group where everyone gets the spotlight or everything can crumble really easily. It's interesting that i can only say that for a very few western groups, probably only little mix while it's more common in kpop, or maybe that's just because kpop has more groups in general

[@yoonjimin9227]

kpop had more structure and is managed more carefully also culturally I'd say kpop members have more respect for one another.

[@FIRXFLY]

@@yoonjimin9227 idk if i'd say managed more carefully or just stricter contracts, but i do agree with the respect point and i think that might tie into the difference in cultures as sk is much more collectivist than the individualistic west

[@valentinomiller6251]

The other side of this coin in having no clear Beyonce of the group by having each member equally share the forefront is the inevitable split which may not benefit any one member of the group, because the public views each individual member as only part of the whole of their disbanded group. Such was the trouble with En Vogue: as a group, they were magic; individually, no one wanted that.

[@harveyturner2818]

I do think that Camila was one of the most popular in the group I don’t think it was just the label I think the fans really liked her too

[@tatum635]

Yeah camila was the fav right out the gate from xfactor and always had millions more followers than the others on social media.

[@RICARDO-bb3di]

Agree plus her musics actually pretty deep

[@choloyolo8522]

I agree but I also think her appearance and her personality had a lot to do with it.

[@solgabosi5716]

Camila was really popular in comparison and it wasn't just because of their label. When the whole group was doing festivals she was hanging out with ed sheeran and shawn mendes behind the scenes and even was a part of Taylor's squad. Maybe she was just likeable in a different way to most people.

[@igiglim]

She makes great music really. The general public eats her music all the time. The world is not really a stan twitter world. Lmao haha

[@clara-rq9my]

i usually prefer kpop groups because even though there is favoritism i feel like the members get to shine more individually and it doesn't feel like the songs try to put them all as equals. each person has their style and that's clear in the songs, they each do their thing and still have group chemistry. that's why i think idols tend to be more successful when going solo even when they're part of groups, these groups aren't built as little pieces of a puzzle but as complete artists that can also work very well together

[@naomi.cannibal]

same!! who are ur ults?

[@clara-rq9my]

@@naomi.cannibal of all time, probably blackpink, fromis_9 and bts (who are the only men i stan btw lol) lately i've been getting into ive and le sserafim and i'm pretty addicted to billlie as well! and yours?

[@naomi.cannibal]

@@clara-rq9my twice, everglow, aespa, ive, and lightsum for rn. but I feel like it’s always changing! my fave bg is stray kids

[@FIRXFLY]

@@naomi.cannibal i just found out your channel and i love it so much, i was looking for music commentary channels like this for a while and you've got great videos and now that you mentioned stray kids, it would be amazing if you would make a video on them -sincerely, a stay and a new subscriber

[@SarynAndersonSarynWasNOTHere]

I disagree. You have examples like onda from everglow or winwin from NCT who never got lines in their groups. Or some members having more solos than others

[@cutiecabello1397]

I don't agree with you about Camila not being the favorite in the fandom , I was a hardcore harmonizer and it was obvious that Camila was the favorite

[@myluckyspring]

I was about to comment this, she was always the favorite and the 3th 5h album showed that too.

[@allthingsnormani8988]

Lauren was for sure the most popular within the group camila was the most known

[@Cullengirl231]

@@allthingsnormani8988 Camila has always had the most followers on twitter/instagram and the most hollywood connections/friendships

[@joannaj.2787]

Yeah same with Harry. I remember during 1D days, directioners would feel bad for other members not being as popular as Harry so they would literally bully fans who said Harry is their favorite, make fun of them, call them basic etc. They still do it to this day. It's just pity towards other members. I would always say Niall or Zayn were my favorite to avoid backlash, but it was always Harry, he's the only one I cared about 😂

[@igiglim]

Right!!

[@georgemcgriff9068]

Even if Beyoncé wasn’t being pushed by her management or herself or whomever, she would still be Beyoncé 😂 none of those girls can do what she can do with their voice, dancing, etc. Period, no question.

[@naomi.cannibal]

See I’m not saying favoritism is right… but if u gonna favor someone it should def be the most talented and Beyoncé WAS it

[@soarixchannel5265]

@@naomi.cannibal all three of them were talented but fundamentally Bey had *the look* and her father to pull industry strings for her.

[@CHEETAH69]

@@soarixchannel5265 which strings did he pull? Why do people treat Matthew like he had a hold on the industry? If that were the case, both Kelly and Solange would be just as massive. Kelly literally had a #1 solo hit first before Bey. So she was positioned to be a super star first. It didn’t happen.

[@earlfrancis5032]

To be fair, all the girls from DC are great singers and dancers. Kelly had the potential to be a huge success but since the song Dilemma by Nelly and her saw huge success, her label rushed the release of Kelly's album without any proper planning just because they thought she could ride Dilemma's success. sadly, her songs didn't do well as well as the album. Michelle on the other hand is a very successful Gospel singer.

[@BlackNerdist]

@@user-ny8td3on3m Delusional

[@406Milton]

Camila was always the one that shined the most. She had her own vocal style from the beginning.

[@9xprincess]

In Kpop the ultimate example of “The Beyoncé of the Group” is Taeyeon of SNSD and G-Dragon from BIGBANG. I don’t think they were favored but just amongst the most talented and stand out.

[@PureHoneyBoo]

Suzy from Miss A and Hyuna from 4minute too

[@yoonjimin9227]

@@PureHoneyBoo yeah 4minute was even nicknamed "HyunA and the girls" and " Hyuna's group".

[@GaladrielOfLorien]

I politely disagree. While Taeyeon is currently the most popular and successful member, they were all really famous during the SNSD era, and most are still very successful in what they do (Hyoyeon, Tiffany, Yoona, Yuri, etc) The best "Beyonce of Kpop" example would be Suzy with Miss A, Hyuna with...everything, CL with 2NE1, and now Wooyoung with I'VE. Let's be honest - can anyone still name any of the other members of these groups?

[@1ia802]

@@GaladrielOfLorien others include sunmi with the wonder girls, bada with ses, etc

[@kiki13451]

I feel like Normani could’ve topped Camila or at least been as equally as popular if she had a decent team 🫤 we see her once every blood moon

[@igiglim]

As someone who was a deep harmonizer, Camila was really really the IT girl of the group.

[@jordanhaller8973]

Camila was definitely the favorite. She was the most versatile and had the most consistent vocals. Lauren was definitely the lead in the beginning. I would argue that the label saw how much the fans gravitated towards Camila, so then changed it around. Each single they released had a different lead, but all the singles with Camila as the lead were the most successful ones. Half of the fandom left when Camila did, so I don’t think it’s fair to say Camila was no one’s favorite. Camila also paved her own because she brought something new, all the other girls didn’t bring anything new or special with their music.

[@medusachristo4998]

Camila Is boring 😴 Nothing about her Is new or exciting. I think Normani has more or Lauren

[@hookah9954]

@@medusachristo4998 she’s so “boring” that she has millions of people listening to her music.

[@medusachristo4998]

@@hookah9954 Well McDonald's Is known everywhere, but It Is the best? Is It better than the taco truck? I don't listen to her songs

[@jerseymartine7014]

@@medusachristo4998 normani is not relevant at all.... she has so much potential but oh well

[@what.are.you.doing.stepbro]

@@medusachristo4998 yea lets not act like Normani wasn’t the worst vocally in 5H. She even apologized for sounding off key. Camila has unique voice but others have a generic voice tbh (definitely not saying its bad but its not unique)

[@drock228]

I think your analysis was spot on especially when it comes to long term solo success which is key. Simply because there have been artists that have been popular but once they went solo they couldn't keep long term solo success outside of the group. Someone mentioned Nicole from Pussycat dolls, some who say she was the Beyonce of the group as she was the most popular but based on your wonderful analysis I would say she wasn't because once she went solo, she couldn't maintain her solo success. Same thing I would say of Coko & Nicci Gilbert of the 90s groups SWV & Brownstone. Both women did 90plus % of the lead vocals and got the most attention, but once they went solo both women got a rude awakening when they couldn't maintain the success they had with their groups. Subsequently both women ended up going back to their groups. This goes to show as you pointed out to be the Beyonce of the group not only do you need to be the most popular of the group, but ones solo success must be just as popular and long term. Great video!

[@naomi.cannibal]

Thank you!!

[@hellobecky84]

Great points, and hadn't thought about the '90 R&B queen Coko, and Nicci - those are phenomenal voices but they definitely couldn't surpass their groups' success.

[@wdcomments]

This needed a lot of clarity bc so many countless fans of groups have said this and people thought it was just being shady or insulting. WHen you're right it has different connotations depending on the group itself. This would've helped so many conversations and even fan wars.

[@naomi.cannibal]

Yes! It's all about nuance. sometimes its a compliment sometimes its not. but these stans are insane and dont like to hear reason most of the time.

[@GR4YS0NN]

For me Dinah Jane was always the one with the most potential on Fifth Harmony. With the right label behind her she could be HUGE

[@freya7016]

Camila was/is the Beyoncé of 5H no doubt about it but I think the reason for it is a culmination of a lot of things. She has a star quality to her, her voice is unique and distinct and she has the personality to be a soloist. I remember when 5H launched I gravitated towards her even though I knew she didn’t have the best voice or was the best dancer she just had a confidence and star quality to her and then the label started to push her as the lead and give her so much more attention than the other girls that it was impossible to imagine 5H without her. And since becoming a solo artist she has developed a unique style and artistry plus has a bunch of A list celeb friends and had a high profile relationship that she is just in a different league to her former band mates. I totally agree Normani is super talented and under-appreciated and deserves more, I hope she slays us all with her debut album.

[@ferjacob3814]

Lauren was the first lead of fifth Harmony but she didn’t have star quality on stage In which Camila did. For their first EP Lauren was mainly in the middle and during the X factor performances as well but Camila started to shine more and bc her voice is a pop voice and distinctive; producers favored her. They told Dinah and Lauren that if they want to have parts in their songs they must lose the thick strong voice. Normani was pushed in the middle when Boss came around and everyone was amazed at what she could do. Normani and Camila were the favorite at the end of their days in the group. Dinah and Ally were the least favorites.

[@WonderKingE]

I love talking about groups!! It is sad that groups, especially GIRL ones get attached to the Beyonce thing and the media perpetuates it hard while the fan base tries to fight against it. 5H unfortunately did have an abundance of Camila stans within the Harmonizers and I say unfortunately because if the fans don't push the other members no one will. Normani, Ally, and Dinah always got the short end of the stick in comparison to Camila and Lauren even though they were arguably more talented and dedicated to the group working. They were a group that didn't need one being pushed, they needed ALL of them having their turn being in the forefront. But this is the music industry and they clearly had a plan form the getgo.

[@naomi.cannibal]

I wish girl groups would come back in the US. Such a fun time!

[@farahwork2552]

funny how its the white passing ones… perrie, camilla, Victoria beckham, Beyonce (not white passing but still lightskin). interesting….

[@WonderKingE]

@@naomi.cannibal right!!!! 😢😢

[@chrisman3431]

@@farahwork2552 Camilla and Victoria Beckham are straight up white and Beyoncé is black lfmao 🤣

[@chrisman3431]

@Petty Lisa She's a white cuban just like Cameron Diaz. Latino is NOT a race but an ethnicity. They are white, black, indegeneous, mestizos type of latinos/as. Camilla is a white woman while Celia Cruz was a black woman but both are cuban

[@mdseymore464]

To me, the Beyoncé of the group is someone who has that undeniable quality that comes off organically. But it has to be someone who is talented enough where you can shine alone, but ultimately ELEVATE the group as well. So far, the only Beyoncé of the group is Beyoncé from Destiny's Child.

[@naomi.cannibal]

more than Beyonce have done that, come on now

[@HI-hb5yf]

Camila was always fan favorite due to her being so corky & relatable to teens. So the label seen that and pushed her to the front. Remember this is a business & labels want to get as much money as they can and Camila was their money maker. Just look how when she left 50% of the fandom left.

[@soprano2087]

About fifth harmony, usually the lead or main singer of the group is the person who have the best vocal technique and Camila is not even top 3. That’s detail always catch my attention because you can say whatever you want about beyonce but she was definitely destiny child’s best vocalist.

[@naomi.cannibal]

Right, there’s NO way you can argue beyonce wasn’t the best in DC. I think in 5H, the best vocalist was truly Dinah or Lauren. What do you think?

[@soprano2087]

@@naomi.cannibal From a technical point of view, Ally and Dinah were the best vocalists, Ally can do things that only people who an amazing technique can do the same goes for Dinah. Lauren was always top 3, but during her X factor days, she was way better than her time with the group. Recently she’s been improving but she’s not there yet.

[@blake23cleveland]

That is not true; it’s usually the most unique or recognizable voice. Look at the most popular artists of all time… they all have unique voices but not necessarily the best vocals. It’s what sets them apart.

[@blake23cleveland]

That is not true; it’s usually the most unique or recognizable voice. Look at the most popular artists of all time… they all have unique voices but not necessarily the best vocals. It’s what sets them apart.

[@soprano2087]

@@blake23cleveland you mean whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, Celine Dion and all S tier legendary vocalist that got in that position due their TECHNIQUE? let’s even take beyonce for example, in destiny child the one that have the most unique voice was Michelle, she was the least popular member and many people until this day believe she can’t sing because she lacks the technique. Come on now.

[@realSimoneCherie]

Mmm yes but Beyoncé is used as an adjective for the best at something in general

[@liihse7153]

I don't think that Zayn wants to be a "star". He doesn't seem to like the pressure of being a star. He's making the music that he wants to and living the life that he wants to live. A lot of people criticized him when he said that he wanted to be a normal person but now he got it.

[@naomi.cannibal]

I agree

[@maurogentile7669]

There are two interesting cases, Gary Barlow and Nadine Coyle. They were clearly the leaders of their groups, but their solo careers didn't take off the way Robbie Williams and Cheryl did.

[@saadkadiri5197]

One of the many reasons why I am a mixer is the fact that they're not trying to outshine each other, even if their label try to creat inequality between them, but they were wise enough to know that their success is due to their unity. And the evidence is just how they were always supporting each other, even after Jesy went out, appart from the drama that for me was non sense and just miss understanding, but I appreciate the respect that they were having towards Jesy, and the fact that they mentioned her in their speech in the Brits awards even after her department. They're truly gorgey Huns ♥️♥️♥️

[@tonimichelle8401]

I'm very happy you included kpop groups since this phenomenon is extremely rampant since that genre plays off the group dynamic so much! Another well researched video, I seriously love your content 👏🏾

[@naomi.cannibal]

thank you, i appreciate it!

[@Anon-z8d34]

I think the “Beyoncé” of any group would the the member or members who are writing the music, has a key part in the vocal production, and probably rehearses more than the other members of the group. If they all do that then I think it’s hard to select THAT member. I definitely think she is who she is because of what she contributed to build the groups name.

[@samoanbiscuit8795]

Kelly Rowland was the first of Destiny’s Child to get a solo #1 single, and while she hasn’t stayed as successful as Beyonce in the music industry, she’s still stayed booked and blessed all these years with lucrative TV gigs and even some well received industry award performances. Every few years she puts out a song or album just to remind people she’s still that girl that grew up being trained alongside Beyonce and can absolutely share a stage with her when the need arises. Years later, we discover that in the crucial early years of the girls going solo, Kelly was trapped in an abusive relationship that had an effect on her success. Also, her debut album was rushed out instead of Beyonce’s, because Dilemma was #1 on the charts in 2002 so they delayed Beyonce’s debut to rush Kelly’s out. I feel like Matthew and Tina Knowles genuinely wanted Kelly to be successful, but they just didn’t manage her career as well as Beyonce’s. I feel like Zayn was the Kelly Rowland of One Direction. Someone with early individual success and a distinct fanbase that preferred him, but who for personal reasons did not quite go on to achieve as much as his early displays of talent promised.

[@aceblanks7658]

Technically All 3 girls of Destiny’s Child had solo careers BEFORE they broke up. Kelly and Michelle released in 2002 and Beyonce in 2003. They released “Destiny Fulfilled” in 2004 and then broke up in 2005 during the “Destiny Fulfilled World Tour”. Great video though just wanted to clarify that. 💛

[@illlli7469]

Exactly and Kelly had solo success first

[@aceblanks7658]

@@illlli7469 TRUUUUUE!!!!

[@rhianx]

The fun thing about this is that there's a rumour (?) that Beyoncé was gonna release in 2002 as well, but they pushed it back. B went back to the studio to record more songs, one of which ended up being CRAZY IN LOVE. Guess it does work out in the end for those who waits.

[@aceblanks7658]

@@rhianx Oh yea that’s not a rumor. That’s definitely a fact. Beyoncé was to release in 2002 to come off the heels of Austin Powers and “Work It Out” (I LOVE THE SONG MYSELF) which was technically suppose to be her first single but since it didn’t do so well they kept it as an AP3 soundtrack song. Kelly and Nelly released “Dilemma” and since that song became a smash they decided to push Kelly forward and use the song to propel her album which the only thing that made that bad was they had to rush record the album. So that’s how Beyoncé went last. They wanted the girls to not compete in the same windows so Kelly released Oct 2002 and Bey June 2003. Michelle had already released her album first April 2002.

[@solgabosi5716]

I definitely remember thinking that Harry was going to be the first one to leave the group. He was even writing songs for other people first and rumors were going. Zayn was always an outsider in the group and the one with the "dark and gloomy" vibes. He wasn't everyone's favorite, i would say that was second behind Harry (maybe tied with Niall) so most people though he was leaving first.

[@TheEarthRealm]

Not "tied with Niall"?! 😂😂😂😂😂

[@TheEarthRealm]

Oooh, what about Spice Girls, Big Time Rush, and Jonas Brothers? :-)

[@solgabosi5716]

@@TheEarthRealm this is what i remember from back in 2013 which was the band's best year. Harry was at least half the fan's favorite (that's why there's SO many popular fanfics about him, like after), then came Zayn and Niall was very close. Then Liam, then Louis by a long shot. Nowadays tho it seems like no one likes Liam (even worse after what he said) but Louis has a shit ton of fans and Zayn has fallen off. Niall is still there i guess but if he takes any longer to release more music he's going to be forgotten.

[@solgabosi5716]

@@TheEarthRealm i never like big time rush tbh but i guess it was always James? He was the only one i could recognize from magazines back in the day. None of them are still actually successful tho, that definitely means something 😬 The spice girls split before i was born so.. no idea. And the Jonas... Very complicated. I do think Joe was the Beyonce thanks to camp rock. Back in the day, nick was better vocally and he did had a lot of fans, maybe thanks to his romances with Miley and Selena. I do think he wasn't happy with Joe having more fans, so he initiated the breakup. Weirdly enough tho, Nick had better music and he was more successful as a soloist (at first). Maybe Joe waited too long to launch his debut, but it flopped. He was still someone and he was always dating famous women, which gave him time, and when dnce came out their songs were everywhere, and i do think the band helped him develop his vocal skills and charisma as a front man. Nowadays he's better than Nick but maybe not as famous. I remember how big Nick's wedding was in pop culture compared to most things Joe did. Getting the band back together was definitely a good idea but they're falling off a bit commercially.

[@allanmhanson]

To be a Beyoncé you have to genuinely love your group members and be a team player. You have to truly shine because of who you are, not because a dirty games and shady businesses. A Nicole Scherzinger isn’t a Beyoncé, a Camila Cabello isn’t a Beyoncé. If you use and betray your group to get a solo career you’re not a Beyoncé. If you also use and betray your group in the reunion you are an antibeyoncé. Cough cough ☕️

[@ivansentosa7699]

U talk as if bey is a true goddess and a saint above em all...while we know michelle and kelly truly hates her on her back and feel betrayed by your queen beyawnce

[@lucaswallo8127]

@@ivansentosa7699Yeah, iy's creepy.

[@pinklamborghini5624]

@@ivansentosa7699 you're a weirdo.

[@allanmhanson]

@@ivansentosa7699 what? Where did you get that from? It’s the first time I hear someone’s saying Kelly and Michelle hate Beyoncé lol. That’s your fantasy.

[@allanmhanson]

@Nolans Tube but she left behind everyone’s back. During the 7/27 era it was obvious everything was more than broken, it was 4H and Camila on the side. But still, it was very shady from everyone. That’s why she isn’t a Beyoncé. She did say later that she thinks the group would still be together if she didn’t left. She’s a bit like a Geri, she leaves but the she regrets it. Maybe Camila will be a complete Geri in some more years. Who knows, it would be really cool.

[@gotosleep2876]

i always thought lauren would be the biggest from 5H , maybe because she was my favorite but i believe her music is the best along with normani. PRELUDE EP is amazing and her spanish song lento is pure art

[@chrishaunafarquharson5293]

Despite them being the Beyonce of the group, they release more albums that elevate their career. It takes consistency and good management team to get there.

[@amerzing]

As to Little Mix's case, I remember from the X-factor days when one of the Judges said something about Perrie being the leader or should lead the group kinda like what happened to Camilla during the competition. But Little Mix proved that they don't need a "beyoncé" .

[@purpletonks]

The big difference between this theory in kpop when you see them going solo. Going solo is asked by the fans and when they go it doesn't mean it's a fan favourite or they are going to leave the group. It's pretty commun to see idols who are part of one famous group having well established solo career as well. Like Taemin and SHINee .... It's really amazing

[@sociallyawkwardhai]

You just hit it about fifth harmony ... as long as i remember Lauren jauregui was fans favourite and at the start of their career she was the one that was gonna be the "the Beyonce of the group" supposedly but as u mentioned there was obvious favoritism for camila despite there were girls more talented in the group

[@naomi.cannibal]

ain’t NO real reason that 5H didn’t set up a success solo career for Lauren and Normani too…. All of their support has come as a direct result of their fans

[@sociallyawkwardhai]

@@naomi.cannibal exactly

[@juicebox9224]

I love and miss 5H I wish they all make a new song in like 20 years when we are old

[@RICARDO-bb3di]

Love this video but to be honest I don't think Camila had everything handed to her like everyone's making it sound she clearly has a voice that stands out and people are obviously buying her music which is why she's being pushed I hate to say it but I don't see nobody buying any of the other girls music and if that was the case they would all have soul albums by now but yet Camila is on her like fourth or third album. If fans really want their our favorites artists who succeed they should start buying their music instead of complaining how they should have went with this sound or should have done this song or whatever

[@RICARDO-bb3di]

By the way this is coming from someone who actually likes normani's and Laurens new music but sometimes it feels like fans are just not supporting them like they should

[@xcuwo]

Truee

[@Bekind94]

Before Beyoncé it was “she’s the Diana Ross of that group”

[@tadmira127dreamuvtadmir2]

Wow Wow

[@slickmysteriousme4508]

And that’s why TLC is my all time favorite group everyone got their shine T-BOZ left eye and chilli there never was a star in the group because they all were and they can’t be touched to this day no one can dance like them and No scrubs was a anthem lol one of the best of all time RIP to left eye

[@hello-ei8cb]

Period!

[@ricardosalmeron1946]

Lauren and ally have the best vocals from fifth harmony and Dinah with Normani are Great dancers...

[@shellybelly7784]

I wasn't a harmonizer but in the stan world, you could easily tell Camilla was the favorite. She had the most fan pages and always had more followers thn the others

[@carys3132]

came across ur channel today and instant subscribe. I love the music crossed with industry and broader pop culture/social media scope content. keep doing ur thing.

[@naomi.cannibal]

Thank you! I really love talking about these things and I love seeing other people enjoy it too ♥️

[@yoonjimin9227]

I was really love how you deep dived and put a lot of consideration into your video. It made me especially happy to see you considering kpop too!

[@guillermocrocamo]

DESTINY'S CHILD : BEYONCÉ NSYNC: JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE BLACKPINK: LISA FIFTH HARMONY: CAMILA PUSSYCAT DOLLS: NICOLE ONE DIRECTION: HARRY THE WANTED: TOM OR NATHAN THE KARDASHIANS: KIM and it still going...

[@naomi.cannibal]

“The Kardashians” 😭😭😭

[@TheEarthRealm]

Oooh, what about Spice Girls, Big Time Rush, and Jonas Brothers? :-)

[@_sam_ddn]

I would also like to add - The Jacksons: Michael Jackson

[@istanqueens7305]

Fifth harmony - Normani Beyonce would say it herselft(being that she literally basically said it herself)

[@TheEarthRealm]

@@istanqueens7305 Well that was after Camilla had already left, so they had already lost their figurative Beyoncé. 💁🏿‍♂️

[@hellobecky84]

This was great; so well-done! Glad I stumbled on your channel.

[@naomi.cannibal]

I’m glad too!

[@austinche7298]

I always get flashbacks to the X factor when Khloe pushed demi to say who they thought "shined" in fifth harmony

[@naomi.cannibal]

I had that clip in originally but copyright made me remove it😭😭

[@SGzCMH]

I'm going to honest, All the members of Destiny's Child, Beyoncé, Kelly, Latoya, and Latavia are equally talented. They ALL can sing, They ALL can dance, and They ALL harmonize beautifully with one another. The two replacements Michelle and Farrah are also talented, but there is something very special about the original members of Destiny's Child, they were totally insync. They were molded that way, and that's what made them a LEGENDARY, ICONI, Group. Hopefully, one day they can all perform their HIT songs together because I would to see it!!!!! 😊🙌🏿🙏🏿💯

[@chrisman3431]

They were NOT all equally talented lol. Stop the cap

[@SGzCMH]

@@chrisman3431 What makes them different in talent aside from popularity? These women were all trained, groomed, and molded the same way by Matthew Knowles. This isn't cap, tet's pull all the layers back hats and gloves off and keep it 💯.

[@henryparker9670]

Interesting to see the comparison in Western groups vs Kpop groups and how similar yet so different they are.. standards I guess. Also great video 👍

[@naomi.cannibal]

Thank you! And yes, it was interesting comparing the 2!

[@JayeKisses]

I love Little Mix & actually wanted u to put them in this video & kinda glad u did. Idc what anyone says I’m still claiming Jesy I still love her regardless of the drama that went down. If I had to pick a Beyoncé it’d either be Perrie or Jade just because of fan favoritism but all 4 girls r talented together & individually. I believe Jesy can be as successful solo artist. She has been in the studio & back & forth to LA. I think she learned from her time in Little Mix that being in the US is the best way to make it in the music industry.

[@Tarikkb]

I remember how much hype camila had when she left , I think she was the most popular member because her voice just fit to the pop songs they made she also embodies the 2013-2014 tumblr girl aesthetic so a lot of fans gravitated towards her and her being at the center of 5H only added to it , I also think hanging out with A list celebrities , lorde, Taylor and etc got her even more attention , and it paid off she is really successful even tho her hype has definitely died down but I think they called her beyonce of fifth harmony because it’s just an expression of the most popular member going solo not because people expected a Beyoncé level music and success

[@Ranoldopereztroika]

Let's be honest. If your label favors you, you take advantage of it because that's what each of your band mates would do. Music industry is not for "nice people". You can bet that if you don't take that opportunity, someone else will.

[@ranii7895]

Could you make a video on the rca curse. Love this video btw

[@naomi.cannibal]

Oooh, I definitely will. That’ll be a fun one

[@imsoboredhahaha]

Really good video, here’s how I’d put your theory onto two girl groups that you may not be as familiar with as an American- Girls Aloud and Sugababes. *Girls Aloud* was formed in 2002 on the reality television show, Popstars: The Rivals which saw a competition between a put together girl group and a boy band. They formed with 5 members: - Cheryl Tweedy (later Cole) - Nadine Coyle - Kimberly Walsh - Sarah Harding (RIP) - Nicola Roberts Due to the pretty tacky time in the 2000’s where women were put against one another in the media and sex appeal was deemed more important in groups, the “Beyoncé” of Girls Aloud was defined on who was deemed as the most attractive of the 5. Cheryl was deemed as such, despite her arguably having less talent than her other members. Will.I.Am began solo work with her in 2008 and the rest was history with Cheryl releasing #1 hits such as “Fight for this Love” in 2009. Because Nicola Roberts was deemed as the “ugliest” in Girls Aloud (bearing in mind we are talking about the tacky tabloid time of the 2000’s), she wasn’t given as much of a spotlight as her other band members, Nicola was often given the least lines to sing and the least amount of spotlight in music videos. When they broke up in 2010, Nicola went solo after Cheryl, releasing a moderately successful album in 2011. Until now, Nicola was discarded in the group and it took a winning appearance on the Masked Singer for her vocal talent to be recognised. Cheryl was obviously the favourite with the other members given less attention and ultimately, less successful music careers. Sarah was the last to go solo in 2015 but she tragically passed away in September 2021 of breast cancer. ----------------- *Sugababes* was formed in 1998 with the members Keisha Buchanan, Siobhan Donaghty and Mutya Buena, ranging between ages 13-14 when the group formed. They first released music in 2000 with their song “Overload”. Siobhan was given the most vocal time and music video time in that song and then in their subsequent album “One Touch”. Siobhan left soon after, sighting mental health struggles, where she was replaced by Heidi Range. This replacement allowed for them to have two #1’s with “Freak Like Me” and “Round Round” in 2002. It was there where Mutya was arguably given most of the spotlight and media attention, often having the most of the singing even though not by that much (you can see this on the first verse of “Too Lost In You” 2003 for example). Mutya left in 2005 following “Taller In More Ways” sighing postpartum depression after she gave birth to her daughter Tahlia at 20. This allowed for Mutya to be replaced by Amelle Berrah. Keisha was most senior in the group, being the original one left although the media narrative made her seem like a bully like how the U.K. media plaster that serious label on any famous black woman it seems without any evidence. Meanwhile, Mutya worked on solo work as a solo singer in 2007. She wasn’t hugely successful but gained a loyal following with songs like “Song 4 Mutya” and “Real Girl”. Amelle wanted to start more solo work around 2007/2008 from the publicity that came from being the new girl in Sugababes. Keisha disagreed, arguing that it wasn’t fair on her given that it seemed as if Amelle was using the opportunity created for her by Mutya’s postpartum depression selfishly. With this, Keisha was reported as being a “bully” and was sacked in 2009- allegedly with input by Amelle and Heidi. Keisha was replaced by Jade Ewen who was a U.K. Eurovision entry for 2009. Heidi was arguably the favourite as this point. The group didn’t do well after Keisha was forced out and was arguably the reason why it was successful after Mutya and Siobhan were replaced. At no point for Sugababes was there necessarily a “Beyoncé”. Nobody had an overwhelmingly successful solo career after (only Mutya’s got much attention) yet after the departure of the most popular members (until Keisha), the group still survived.

[@Ash_tommo]

Louis Tomlinson was always so underrated, but he was always my favorite member, his voice is just different

[@romeliapc4175]

This was an amazing video and the examples where spot on. The comparison to Kpop was unexpected but really appreciated. Little Mix (trio) is the only group on the western side that can hold up tbh, I'll bet they'll do amazing in their solo projects. Already seen them each in the studio👀 Love the video 🙏🏻💕

[@TheyUsedStuPott2D]

YESSS. Nicole Scherzinger from Pussycat Dolls is another good example of the Beyoncé of the group being a negative connotation and her having her Liam Payne moment before Liam did lol. PCD was essentially the Nicole show but after PCD disbanded she tried releasing her own music girl crashed and burned. Super interesting!

[@pratyushpavansaikia8161]

I think Zayn could have been way big if marketed well

[@hannahnur6784]

It’s crazy how people didn’t believe Liam when he said that he was told that he could have been the leader. listen to the first two albums, watch the X Factor performances, then watch him start most of the songs on tour and you see Liam take the lead for most of it. Now the video from X Factor drops with Nicole saying that yes indeed he could be the leader. He never lied at all. He just explained what someone said to him not that he himself believed it. Also if you were young and gaslighted by a crooked music industry predictor who gives you’re supposed spot to someone else after all of your sacrifices it might leave you a bit jaded. He speaks honestly about this in his music when he says that he was jaded and he’s self medicated. Liam himself talks about how misunderstood he is and again he isn’t lying people just love to hate him. People would have crumbled with a fraction of the pressure that was put on him yet they have the nerve to stand in judgment and speak on a person that they don’t even know.

[@imnotbonnie]

I think Blackpink has a very particular case because all of the members are known on their own and with success at that but contrary to Little Mix, the fans are not equally loving to all the members, but rather the 4 of them have huge solo fanbases. Jennie was initially pushed by the company because she fitted the image the company is known for in korea, but with each of their individual works all of them made their name. I feel like Lisa is the most popular overall but not by much, imo.

[@vee08]

Lauren, Dinah, and Ally have so much more to offer but as time goes by and their label not doing their job promoting them properly, the hype wasn't the same anymore. They still have a solid fanbase especially Lauren and Ally, but not as much as before they took their hiatus. Not to mention their VMA performance which got misunderstood by everyone and got them tons of hate and got people side with Camila, portraying her as the victim in all that mess. Normani doing great with her releases especially with Wild Side, but the hype isn't as much as it would be if she released an album and got promoted properly. I'm sad for these girls. They're all hella talented and they could showcase more of their potential but a lot of people turn their backs on them and Camila got all the spotlight, praises, attention and hype of the people. Didn't mean that she doesn't deserve it, it's just the way the four of them were treated vs her since the start was very biased already.

[@naomi.cannibal]

Yes, i have a video planned for Dinah, Ally and Lauren. It feels like Dinah and Ally especially got shafted. Especially Dinah, who tbh was one of the better singers in the group.

[@m20047]

One of the reasons why I love Blackpink is because there’s no main member, they don’t even have a leader. Yes Lisa and Jennie are undoubtedly the most popular member and Jisoo receives the least lines but I think all the girls are treated very well and compared to most groups their individual popularity is very balanced and if one girl decided to leave I think the whole group would crash and burn, they all contribute something important and have very distinct brands and devoted solo fans. They even all have their own solo releases (although Jisoo hasn’t gotten hers yet she has said she is not ready to pursue it yet and even got her own kdrama so i think the way they’re treated is extremely fair compared to other groups each girl always gets a chance to shine….but blinks overreact and throw around the word favouritism A LOT when they’re no where near as bad as other kpop groups like twice)

[@sowmyam1627]

Can't believe Liam said that. Vocally Zayn was amazing in 1D but I loved Harry personality and now he making the songs which mostly I listen to so Harry for the win for me.

[@MesRevesEnRose]

One group that is an example of a lesser popular member having the best solo career is Wonder Girls! Sunmi absolutely ATE with her solo debut. It kinda came out of nowhere and no one was expecting her success. But thank goodness for it because she gave us the ICONIC 24 hours and Gashina!

[@naomi.cannibal]

The timeline shifted forever after pporippipam came out

[@ultimatefirecracker1486]

The way you called Liam Payne delusional 😂😂

[@most.]

Now do "The Liam Payne of the Group"

[@naomi.cannibal]

😭😭😭 I should, there’s more than Jesy

[@misstriciak]

What happened to Fifth Harmony is exactly what defines a "Beyonce" to a group. The label usually knows who "sells the group" more than the rest and the fans finds out down the line who is that one person that keeps coming back with more work and more creativity, plus the guts to face the public and criticism alone. This is how it went down for Beyonce, Justin Timberlake and Camila Cabello. The others members of the groups were giving room to shine at some point but were not able to keep the momentum going. That does not mean they failed, it just means the "Beyonces" were simply more ambitious, more creative and harder workers.

[@thegeekinthepink17]

i'm fucking dying at the clips you included of fans after zayn left the group. lmao

[@naomi.cannibal]

They were going THRU it lol

[@jmaxkimbrough]

This was an amazing analysis and breakdown 😄 Another great example (in my opinion) is definitely Danity Kane. Aubrey was favored to be the “Beyoncé” and remains the most popular member but Dawn has been the most successful solo artist of the group. By DK’s second album she was the strongest writer and even vocal produced a lot of their tracks during the writing sessions. Aubrey was the “Beyonce” but Dawn was their key, and Dawn + Aundrea = their sonic foundation. It always intrigues me how groups navigate breakups and solo transitions lol

[@Sara-gz1lp]

I think given the fact that Harry wasn't the most vocally talented in the group, he very much successfully proved that hard-work and dedication will always always beat talent.