The Big 10 Expanded - Again. Now What?

A year after the Big 10 conference expanded with the USC Trojans and UCLA Bruins, they've done it again. Now the Washington Huskies and Oregon Ducks will join the Big Ten in 2024 as well. That's 18 teams. Will they go to 20? How will all of this work? And, by the way, who will travel the most miles? We will figure it out on Locked on Big 10.
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[@WHarman-tb8ss]

So happy you let us into your conference. We greatly appreciate being here and will be loyal and quiet members. What ever you want to do with the schedule, we love it. We are excited for every home and away game in the BIG. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!

[@johnnykelley3727]

Sco Ducks!!!

[@WHarman-tb8ss]

This is my first listen to your podcast and loved your analysis. I've been a loyal viewer of Spencer McLaughlin on Locked on Pac 12. So this is a logical addition to my viewing pleasure.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Thanks for checking us out. Spencer is very good.

[@ManBearPig-jm8hf]

Just hit me but what is Spencer’s future other than locked on ducks

[@WHarman-tb8ss]

@@ManBearPig-jm8hf he will be locked on Mountain Pac. Or the conference formerly known as the Pac.

[@Archangel3083]

It sounds like a lot of travel but teams used to have to take busses to other schools. You can fly across the country in 6 hours, it’s a 14-16 hour road trip from Eugene to LA.

[@willl7780]

exactly...they will adapt

[@rickolson-51]

Not seeing an Oregon Pennant on the wall...:(

[@moatsy5429]

6 team divisions. Play 4 in your division (rivalry locked) 3 and 3. Play at every stadium every 4 years.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Like having kids play in every stadium.

[@richarddavis5289]

FSU, and and Notre Dame in the big 10 would be awesome. It makes for a lot of fun games

[@LockedOnBIG10]

It would be great. Will ND ever change their minds?

[@richarddavis5289]

@@LockedOnBIG10 If Florida State leaves the ACC, and Stanford doesn't join the ACC, they will have to seriously consider it. Or risk the chance to get blocked out of meaningful games moving forward. If they reject coming, I doubt the Big 10 is going to do them any scheduling favors

[@jimp8400]

How cool is that. The Rose bowl hosting the Big 10 Championship every year! Hell ya!!!!

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Like it!

[@tjn2254]

The rose bowl isn't even the big tens best stadium. No reason to give west coast teams home field advantage every year also.

[@lfbpfishing7818]

Hope this is a friendly pod with good B10 fans! Glad to be joining the conference and fan base! You should invite Spencer McLaughlin of locked on PAC 12 to chat about the new members. Go Ducks 🦆🦆🦆

[@schoolstuff5235]

ILL

[@lfbpfishing7818]

@@schoolstuff5235 I'm not sure I know what that means.

[@schoolstuff5235]

It means welcome to the B1G! Illinois Fighting Illini or (I-L-L-I-N-I). Just a fun chant. One side says ILL and the other finishes it off with INI. Nothing crazy.

[@lfbpfishing7818]

@@schoolstuff5235 sweet! I got a lot of learning to do with this conference. You'll see other duck fans writing "sco Ducks" basically mean "lets go Ducks" same as your thing just shorter and fun than saying the whole thing. Thanks for the friendly greeting! Good luck to y'all this season! Go Ducks 🦆🦆🦆

[@LockedOnBIG10]

I like his podcast.

[@philford1730]

This mileage issue is really not a big deal. USC, this year will have 3 road games this year between 850 and 2100 miles away. Oregon has 3 games between 800 and 1700 miles away plus another that is 530, Washington has 4 road games this year of 800-2300 miles away. Using your road trip miles USC is 9714, Oregon is 9030 and Washington is 11972,,,, NOW while still in the PAC 12. Even Utah is nearly 9000, these western teams HAVE to travel long distances every year. The bigger issue is the eastern teams now going west not the western teams going east. As Ohio St is only traveling 3850 miles round trip this year. And the travel home aspect is much worse for an Eastern team coming home from the west as you lose 3 hours, where USC going home gains 3 hours, so they could leave NJ at 5PM ET, travel for 8 hours and be home at 10PM, Rutgers going the other way and leaving at 5PM Pacific doesn't get home until 4AM and as for the "non-revenue" sports, no one is watching anyway so TV ratings will be minimal regardless of whether the OSU softball team plays USC or no, so frankly use to divisions to minimize the travel and be done with it in the non revenues..

[@BAYAREADODGER818]

These 4 teams just strengthen the B1G! Now we can go toe to toe with the SEC!

[@evangraham532]

No still second best. B1G will have to win a few championships before even being considered at the level of the SEC.

[@tjn2254]

@@evangraham532big has more national championships then sec in football and basketball lol

[@evangraham532]

​@@tjn2254LOL you are delusional if you think the B1G is at the same level as the SEC. During the BCS playoff era the SEC has won 15 national championships while the B1G or Ohio St has 2 and everyone knows the 2002 championship was given to Ohio St by the refs and the pitiful pass interference call at the end of the game. During that time 6 teams from the SEC has won a championship. Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee and Auburn. The SEC is by far the best conference and its not even close.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Let’s go.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

I think top to bottom Big 10 is better but you are not wrong about the championships.

[@Chris.3791]

It’s B!G 10+8

[@LockedOnBIG10]

There you go! Looks great on a t-shirt.

[@wesmullennix3495]

divisions I like it

[@DillonCarbajal]

You should get Spencer from locked in PAC 12 on to give you the low down on the new members lol

[@LockedOnBIG10]

He does a great job.

[@DillonCarbajal]

@@LockedOnBIG10 I'm definitely a fan. Subscribed and lookin' forward to your coverage on the new B1G

[@sleepyg2011]

Clemson and FSU will be the next invite.

[@tarheel7406]

Maybe, but not until a settlement, a court order, or 2036.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Might be right.

[@sumdude4281]

I'd like to see more than two divisions. Certainly would like to get to 20 by adding two int he east and then five divisions of four teams.

[@WHarman-tb8ss]

I like Mark Rogers, VOCF, approach with with 4 PODS. West (4), NW (5), Central (5) and East (4). This virtually maintains the Flex - Protect format that the BIG already agreed too. Play everyone in POD annually and then Flex every two years so that you virtually play every school home and home in a four year period. But, I defer to the BIG's judgement. Remember, just happy to be here. I'm excited about all the frequent flyer miles that I will accumulate.

[@RGraw]

The conference needs to go to small divisions like you find in the nfl. They’ll make their way to 20 teams, and probably eventually 24. If that’s the case, six teams in four divisions or four teams in six divisions can be used. If it’s four teams, they can rotate a division every year with one more conference game to be saved for a rival

[@heartbreak25]

No more divisions. It didn't work with 14 and it won't work with 18. Use flex scheduling to protect the beat team's ability to reach the playoffs every season.

[@TroyHarperGoBucksGo]

@@heartbreak25I didn’t like the divisions . I’d rather everyone be in the same pot .

[@DuckRon626]

I hate it whenever someone says that college football should echo the NFL. College football should stand on it’s 2 feet. Not become a mini-NFL.

[@RGraw]

@@DuckRon626 why don’t you explain to us a better way to deal with scheduling for a conference with that many

[@ovloh]

Call it Mega Twenty conference.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Does need a name change.

[@T_Man-mm9sz]

Why do we need to get to 20? The Big 10 played with 11 teams for 19 years when it added PSU in 1993 and then didn't add Nebraska until 2011. I say add Stanford to make it 5 west cost teams and then figure out who is #20 sometime down the road.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Maybe they won’t do divisions. We will see.

[@kimhansen8720]

Championship games should be played at a neutral site, perhaps Vegas?

[@LockedOnBIG10]

How about Rose Bowl?

[@scottscottsdale7868]

I th8nk everyone misses the point of the so called cup cake games. Sure it is like a preseason tune up game. But it also is a big pay day for cup cake. That helps everyone. A win win win. I think that is important.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

You are correct. But those are slowly going away.

[@jeremynork4027]

B1G should not go back to divisions

[@tjn2254]

Yeah will be much better to rotate through all the teams.

[@mark8337]

Florida State, Miami, Clemson. Notre dame will stay independent. Stanford will go independent. Pick up Cal to give a round 22. Again, no divisions, just guarantee 1-2 rivalry games each. Take top 2 at end of season based upon win/loss and pre-agreed upon tie-breakers. Rotate everyone.

[@mark8337]

I agree, divisions suck. Maybe silos for scheduling/travel help, but not divisions. Just guarantee 1-2 rivalry games if have them, otherwise take top 2 teams overall by win/loss and pre-agreed upon tie breakers for championship game. Really don’t need to travel silos either, just rotate everybody except the rivalry games. Use some of the extra money to cover ravel costs.,

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Interesting thought. Thanks for watching.

[@brentmichael4770]

Why not give the california teams an extra home game? Make who ever has the shortest milage play the road game out west?

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Had not heard that idea.

[@josephivan5094]

The west Coast teams have always traveled more even before joining. This will also make the old big 10 members travel more.

[@TheRooster1988]

We are still the PAC we are just borrowing your space right now, to make you realize we own your conference now.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Lol. Good luck.

[@tjn2254]

Borrowing space. Lol that's why the teams are begging to get in and taking a pay cut. The pac is done has a fork sticking in it.

[@chiefthunder9569]

the Big10 does NOT want Florida State or Miami. gross. we at least still have programs with integrity. stay in florida florida teams. go independant for all i care haha

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Ouch! Lol.

[@Trojan0304]

SC flies United charter flights so not bad for football but Olympic sports ,lol

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Sweet.

[@ChrisFeist76]

Do not need divisions.. 10 game schedule and it lets you keep the flex scheduling. I'ts not rocket science.

[@grampajim1595]

I completely agree with you .. B1G will stay in the West and East divisions. I'm pretty sure the B1G is waiting for Notre Dame ... but then one more ?? I can still see Stanford .. an academic, big endowment, Bay Area market.. I'm thinkin Florida St and Clemson go SEC, but maybe Miami ?? UNC ??

[@redwine65]

I agree, stanford gives the west 5 teams to make a pod..and if the 4 pods rotate that makes big matchups alot..plus gives structure...then the 2 best from the 2 competing pods that year in the champ game.. then at 20 teams the big can sit forever...unless the sec breaks up the acc...then maybe 4 teams, north carolina, miami, houston, and smu...(mainly for recruiting footprint outside the rust belt) because texas and florida is prime recruiting...which would help the big alot in post season play vs the sec. in the pods you save alot of tradition..plus it doesn't get crazy like having osu play, mich, usc, oregon, penn state, wisconsin, washington, nc and miami in a row... like if they try to do the big game money grab patch work constantly... and everyone eventually plays everyone at least once every 3 years...and the pods bring about some sanity as far as travel..for everyone at 20 teams it would be 9 conference games a year, at 24 it would be 10 conference games a year you could throw a smu in a pod with usc, houston in a pod with wisconsin, nc in a pod with osu, and miami in a pod with penn state...a lil funnel to push talent up north...cause not every player will have fly the whole family nil type money...

[@DuckRon626]

Stanford and Cal are indeed in the San Francisco market. But, SF is just not all that interested in college football. Never have been, probably ever will.

[@richardfish8379]

like the rose bowl idea,.

[@ovloh]

I love when Michigan came to play USC in the Rose Bowl.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Me too.

[@richardmorris8745]

I think we need to rebrand to the B1G National Conference. Keep B1G to reflect on our roots. Add National to reflect our growth as the only true National Conference.

[@bsmitley]

If it goes bigger (say 20) then I think you do 4 mini divisions of 5. 4 teams you play every year 1-2 teams from each other mini division 1 protected rivalry Rest non conference Using West Coast as an example (assuming FSU/Clemson join) USC/UCLA - rivalry USC/Oregon USC/Washington USC/Nebraska USC/Wisconsin USC/Purdue USC/Penn State USC/Clemson USC/OSU 3 non conference Mini divisions: USC/UCLA/Washington/Oregon/Nebraska Iowa/Wisconsin/Minnesota/Illinois/Northwestern Purdue/IU/Michigan/MSU/OSU Penn State/Rutgers/Maryland/FSU/Clemson Not perfect but allows for rivalries to stick around and make groups somewhat competitive. And every school will eventually play everyone every couple years.

[@ReisterJP]

Didn't that tear apart the WAC?

[@bsmitley]

@@ReisterJP they didn't have 60+ mill TV deals lol

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Well thought out. I nominate u for commissioner.

[@jamessanders7286]

Take 2 more west coast teams , Clemsom., FSU, Miami and Notre Dame. Make 4 divisions and have a Big playoff.

[@richardmorris8745]

It’s the same trips the other way also. But, at $70 million per team each season, I think they can afford the airfare.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Agree.

[@johnwatsoniv384]

Someone at barstool sports hasn't been paying attention if they've got MSU at fifth in the conference when they're actually gonna be fifth in the East division and more like tenth in the conference.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

I didn’t agree either.

[@UnclePinata]

No divisions. Keep the new model and just give the PAC schools 3 “protected opponents” which are each other (just like how Iowa has 3). Go to 10 game conference schedule.

[@Ryan-vq5ur]

You’ll need divisions when 6 more teams are added

[@TroyHarperGoBucksGo]

@@Ryan-vq5urNo you don’t

[@LockedOnBIG10]

I do think the 10 games is a good idea.

[@tarheel7406]

The Tier 1 conferences will likely have to consolidate the necessary brands, flags, etc. and create a separate closed playoff before ND is forced to join. That means an ~24-team each SEC/B1G or ~18-team each if the ACC survives intact. A 20-team each SEC/B1G won't do it.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Maybe u r right.

[@tarheel7406]

@@LockedOnBIG10 I can't make a reasonable guess at what point a revenue gap forces ND, so I'm ignoring that factor.

[@tarheel7406]

@@LockedOnBIG10 BTW... What should have happened is what I proposed ~2 years ago: a) ACC +ND, PSU, MD, RUT with a new peer media deal b) B1G + PAC bloc with or without KANSAS c) SEC +2 Far more efficient. Should include the needed schools for a close d P3 playoff. ND lands in the buffer ACC.

[@polywoggins]

ND is probably (total guess) going to have to join. The longer this goes on ot just seems more likely. Then who? Maybe they go Stan, but they just dont care about football there. At least not right now. I know academics yes yes yes...but as we all saw academics is not driving this car anymore.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

I’d say academics is a very low priority.

[@T_Man-mm9sz]

If they join a conference, then it will be the ACC.

[@polywoggins]

@@T_Man-mm9sz yeeeeeah...no...

[@WHarman-tb8ss]

I am hoping for a PAC 4 merger with the Mountain West that creates the PAC 16. Add Gonzaga as a BB only member and you have 16 teams in both football and BB, because Hawaii is a football only member.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Think it should be called MT West. Not PAC 16. PAC is dead in my opinion.

[@WHarman-tb8ss]

@@LockedOnBIG10 Understood. There are some advantages to calling PAC. But it really is Mtn West in Pac clothing.

[@brentmichael4770]

Lol go to someone elses conference and then make them take on your old conderence name!? Most of these programs are gonna shut down and go away, the two super conferences will be all that matters! And if secondary schools do survive it will be playing for a second place trophy, and help sportsbook betting..

[@raulduke6105]

Madness. The destruction of college sports has begun 😱

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Some do feel that way.

[@joemetallo2183]

Talk like the idea of going to the Rose bowl every year for the championship game too far out. West tickets are too expensive. Air flight maybe once or twice but Indianapolis is right in the middle. You can flip pop them back before between the other

[@Trojan0304]

ND & Stanford the future? Ducks have Phil dropping bags for recruiting unless BIG stops him,lol.

[@T_Man-mm9sz]

Stanford, yes. ND, no. ND will stay independent or join the ACC. That 20th quality team is going to be hard to come by. I don't think it's Cal, though. I say take Stanford and then wait to take #20 sometime down the road. No need to stay at an even number. The Big 10 had 11 teams for like 19 years after adding PSU in 1993.

[@heartbreak25]

No divisions. It's just an outdated and lazy idea in the modern era. Divisions were terrible at 14 teams with the West being terrible and OSU, UM, and PSU being stuck in a suicide pact. It'd be terrible with 18 or 20 teams too. There's nothing wrong with the flex scheduling model. It protects rivalries while also protecting the top teams from getting disproportionately hard schedules. The SEC goes out of its way to protect their teams scheduling wise. It'd be dumb to go back to divisions despite the fact we can use computers to design the best schedules every year.

[@tjn2254]

Yeah playing every team as much as possible will be the most entertaining

[@LockedOnBIG10]

I like the flex / rival schedule.

[@johnwatsoniv384]

The Big Ten should be aggressive by going after Virginia, North Carolina, Clemson, Georgia Tech, FSU, and Miami from the ACC. They can team up with the Big 12 to give them Pitt and maybe Syracuse or Louisville so that the votes are there to dissolve the conference. This would give the Big Ten all of the best areas in the country for TV and recruiting except for Texas in the footprint and gives the conference a clear, insurmountable advantage over the SEC that the SEC is unlikely to ever be able to recover from.

[@LuckyBravo1-1]

That won't happen. They are locked into the ACC media rights deal until 2036. They would have to spend money they don't have to just buy out of the media rights deal alone

[@tarheel7406]

There is no purpose for a national Tier 2 conference.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Let’s see if ACC teams can get out of their TV deal.

[@jjarnold220]

You act like they are walking. For football, this will not be an issue; for other sports like basketball and soccer, this may be a minor issue. I iterate a small issue.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Jet lag and Monday morning classes.

[@jsmiles17]

ND is technically apart of the ACC. They also have an exit fee to pay if they join a conference. Everyone keeps talking about ND. They're in the same boat as FSU. Their football is independent but all their other sports are ACC. ND is not looking to go anywhere.

[@RGraw]

That’s not true. Go search what conference they’re in for hockey, then come back to your comment

[@tarheel7406]

ND is an actual (not technical nor an associate) member of the ACC. ND is subject to the GOR for all sports outside of football/hockey, a scheduling agreement, and a "must join if" agreement.

[@tarheel7406]

@@RGraw This story is now 2 years old. Even my dead grandmothers now know that ND plays hockey in the B1G.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Mostly agree. But can they remain independent forever?

[@jsmiles17]

@RGraw semantics bro. That's like 1 sport, most of ND is tied to the ACC.

[@lenardbrown390]

Get rid of Nebraska because they’re the weakest academically. Nebraska can go back to the Big 12. Then go after Stanford and Cal. This will corner Notre Dame to join the B1G. That’s give the conference 20 teams.

[@schoolstuff5235]

Nebraska isn’t going anywhere. They’ve been a target because of culture (maybe the only school ever) since I was a kid. They are as locked in as anyone, sorry.

[@treyabbey6477]

Nobody wants to watch Cal football.

[@jimedick9496]

Nebraska brings in the tv ratings. Just look at the last couple of years, they have a top 15 ranking. TV rankings will keep Nebraska where they are at because that’s what pays the bills. I’ve been saying this for over a year. FOX isn’t paying for academics, they are paying for an audience. The bigger the audience, the bigger their charge is for advertisement. The more money they make, more money the B1G makes.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Ouch. I think they like having them in the Big 10.

[@jimedick9496]

@@LockedOnBIG10 They pull in tv ratings, FOX loves Nebraska, and that’s who pays the bills. I’m not even a Husker fan, but facts are facts.

[@donjuan914]

West Coast teams getting screwed on the travel, but that will change with the addition of Oregon and Washington. The schedule will need to be re done. I still think the B1G need to add two more West Coast teams (Cal and Stanford) to balance things out more. FSU needs to go to the SEC.

[@TroyHarperGoBucksGo]

It’s not like the east coast teams won’t be traveling west . Surely the west teams will play each other every year right ?

[@donjuan914]

@@TroyHarperGoBucksGo Most of the teams are clustered one on side of the country. Therefor all of those teams will have less travel. The teams on the west coast will have to travel more because they have to play all of those other teams in the Midwest/east coast.

[@TroyHarperGoBucksGo]

@@donjuan914 I hope the schedules will be made to protect the all teams involved

[@jimedick9496]

If the ACC’s GOR is broken, the first desired team is ND, that’s a given. Stanford looks to the team to pair up with ND. If ND still shows no desire to join the B1G, I think FSU and Clemson is B1G next option.

[@TroyHarperGoBucksGo]

@@jimedick9496 I agree . Personally If possible I think the Big 10 should go after Florida state , Miami , UNC , Virginia , Stanford and offer ND the final spot . If they decline go after Cal or someone else with a strong program and AAU membership . Save the all the out of conference games for the bowl games .

[@richardmorris8745]

B1G still needs, at least, either FSU or Miami and Georgia Tech to get a presence in the Southeast.

[@John-Rambo81]

They dont need a presence in the south.

[@richardmorris8745]

@@John-Rambo81 I disagree.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

I think so.

[@tjn2254]

FSU and Miami would be nice

[@9871-f7v]

I agree. Get into the tropics. Makes for a great environment.

[@slibertas1996]

Indiana has beat Michigan and Penn St in 2020 and was a play away from beating Ohio st

[@heartbreak25]

The Covid-19 season doesn't matter. PSU lost multiple players including Micah Parsons before the season started due to the delayed start. Indiana didn't beat PSU at full strength.

[@Ryan-vq5ur]

bIg 10 also played 7 games and sent a team to the playoffs lol. 2020 season was horse shit and should be treated by the NCAA like Reggie Bush’s Heisman Season.

[@LockedOnBIG10]

Go Hoosiers.

[@brentmichael4770]

Why not give the california teams an extra home game? Make who ever has the shortest milage play the road game out west?

[@LockedOnBIG10]

That’s Purdue right now. 2700 miles total next year.