THE BIG DEBATE || “Madinah Books” or “Al Arabia Bayna Yadaik” || Sh Abdulwahid & Ust Abu Taymiyyah

[@kitty40811]

I'm using Madina Arabic book 1. Alhamdulilaah its better than nothing lol. By Allah's persmission I will reach my goal of fully understanding the Quran and being able to speak the language aswell . To anyone out there who is struggling and feel frustrated , I encourage you to keep going and keep the faith. This is the language of the Quran

[@brother6862]

yes madina books are beautiful

[@tahrin.choudhury]

How are you studying those books 📚 ? Tips, please.

[@kitty40811]

@@tahrin.choudhury i used the lesson guide at the back which explains it

[@bintrj6726]

@@tahrin.choudhury These lectures of brother Asif Mehrali are awesome.. kzbin.info/aero/PLylRFHVuWeMDYhBWA9ItOg_FkGd9vZl5N

[@tahrin.choudhury]

@@bintrj6726 I found a different channel that is shorter and watching. Is there any group or website to take a quiz after studying the lessons? I know people charges $50-$80 per month for Madinah Arabic book. 😢

[@getinspired7687]

Study both! I have finished Madinah book 1 and now I am about to start Madinah book 2 along side with Bayna Yadayk book 1.

[@HametDembele-ni5hd]

How is it !?

[@getinspired7687]

@@HametDembele-ni5hd Alhamdulillaah I've now completed Madina book 2, Bayna Yadayk book 1 and gone half way through Bayna Yadayk book 2. My progress is slow due to studies, travel and now work. I have not taken any Arabic lesson in months but I intend to resume soon. May Allaah make it easy for us all. Aameen

[@Amin-pn8vj]

@@getinspired7687how is it now?

[@muzammilshareef1951]

@@getinspired7687 How much of arabic are you able to understand now?

[@Abdulr-zo3tk]

@@muzammilshareef1951Did you do Madinah books and Bayna Yadayk together or Madinah books first then Bayna yadayk

[@TheNiqabiDiaries]

SubhanAllah. I was talking to my husband about this. I personally prefer Bayna Yadayk because I feel the vocabulary is more practical for everyday people. Whereas the vocabulary in Madinah Arabic books is more specific to university students, its also very grammar heavy. So if you’re not the type that loves grammar it can get pretty boring especially when you dont feel that you are getting enough practical vocabulary to use in day to day life at home.

[@Lion_Heart14]

True sister. But the thing is if you follow the Medinah curriculum properly,not just the 3 books,like you do the conversational drills,ahadith sahlah and a few more,I think it compensates for the lack of conversational-vocab present in it.

[@frederikantonio5742]

@@Lion_Heart14 what do you mean by conversational drills and ahadith sahlah?

[@abubakr7304]

@@frederikantonio5742 the full madinah set isn't just the 3 books, the full set has side books e.g they have extra reading books and conversation books that have basic ahadith mixed in aswell.

[@wale4862]

Just study both series

[@khoyrulislam]

Almost everyone I know is learning Arabic to understand the Deen so they don't really care about conversational Arabic (which the Madinah series covers anyway)

[@cjshortsnsnips]

The brother forgot to mention that not everyone who is trying their best through Madinah or Al Arabiyyah books may nit be able to travel abroad or study abroad. Use the tools you have in your hands and Allah will reward you.

[@Hussain-ch3pr]

We don't learn Sarf and Nahw to converse with some in akhi in a coffee shop. The purpose behind these sciences is ultimately to understand the Quran. Many of these people who can converse in Arabic are poor in sarf and nahw. This is why you see so many misinterpretations and misunderstandings of Islamic texts.

[@minimalx]

He didn’t say to learn conversational Arabic to go to the coffee shops with some akhi, he said so you could understand the shaykh when he’s teaching you grammar.

[@ramsterslife1947]

💯

[@brother6862]

yes we learnt for this reason. however we need to know how to speak also to understand the teachers who speak in Fusha brooooo

[@Islam.is.the.truth..]

You can’t understand the Quran if you have no vocabulary

[@NanaH.]

I think the charm with Madinah book 1 and 2 especially as a novice is that they teach you the sentence structure in Arabic and explain why you put them in order. This really aids you as a beginner student cause you get to practise that quite a lot and gradually. If you dive in to Arabiyyah Bayna Yadayk chances are you’ll get confused on the word order or how to build a sentence that makes sense. Madinah Books mentions the cases of the asmaa’ and this can greatly impact the sentence as well as sentence order etc. My recommendation if you’re studying alone without any teacher is doing Madinah Book 1 and 2 and then starting with Bayna Yadayk. MB will give you the foundation for which you’ll stand on and the vocabulary to build your sentences with as long as training in how to speak/vocabulary in context can be found in ABY.

[@Gg-rn3pb]

جزاك الله خيرًا

[@mohammadamin9096]

100% with you. I’m about to finish madinah book 2 so I thought I’d look into Bayna yadak as I’m planning to do it to improve my vocab. I would definitely be lost in terms of grammar madi, mudariya etc.

[@Islam.is.the.truth..]

That’s not true they teach you how to put together basic sentences together from book 1 arabiyyah bayna ya dayk

[@jamilayasmin4165]

I'll be honest I learnt Arabic all my life, but I still have a long way to go. Honestly the Arabic language has many gems in it. But my experience with madinah books is Alhamdulillah. 😊😊😊😊

[@jamilayasmin4165]

I guess it depends on the teacher himself too and how much students put the effort in. 📚📚📚

[@kaykay9280]

Subhana'Allah as a humble student on this journey, I completely agree. Nahw grammar and Sarf have helped immensely in understanding the Qur'aan and Sunnah better alhamdulillah, and conversational is what I will now learn to be able to access so many great Arabic texts taught by only Arabic teachers, after struggling to understand so many of them. Both is 100% necessary!

[@Abdulr-zo3tk]

What is Nahw grammar and Sard and when should you begin with them, like first Madinah books and Bayna yadayk or ?

[@kaykay9280]

@@Abdulr-zo3tk Madina yes, any 'Quranic Arabic' books, learning verb and sentence structures will help in analysing text

[@brother6862]

jazakallahhhhhhh

[@nurulamirah_abdullahchan]

Currently I do both books. Medina book 1 ( it has basic Nahwu) and Al Arabiyyah Bayna Yadayk (to do daily conversation easily) book 1. Hopefully I can be fluent in lughatul arabia soon

[@alburaqrecords4752]

Asalamualikum Which book they told please

[@nurulamirah_abdullahchan]

@@alburaqrecords4752 Madinah books have 4 books, same goes with Al Arabbiyah Bayna Yadayk, it has 4 books. All those books are available from online sources.

[@mohammadiaa]

Assalamualaikum brother/sister, are you able to understand the arabic lectures of scholars with your current level of the language?

[@nurulamirah_abdullahchan]

@@mohammadiaa Yes, Alhamdulillah I can understand well with Madina book 1 and as well as Al Arabbiyah Bayna Yadaik. It's recommend to go for Madina book firstly for few chapters to learn basic Arabic grammar (Nahw) before starting with Al Arabbiyah Bayna Yadaik (for fluency of conversation in Arabic with others). Next step.. learn Sarf (Arabic Morphology)

[@smashb3766]

What about to understand Quran in salah

[@furkanc51]

the best solution is learning both. I learn both with different teachers

[@yusuflawal9697]

Simple. Why the debate?

[@wale4862]

أحسنت.

[@MasterSelf-]

who are y o u r teachers

[@kaykay9280]

would you recommend any good teachers for conversational? Jzk

[@dayan47]

Traveling to study in Egypt will never help you because EVERYONE SPEAKS SLANG/called amiyyah. Literally half of the vocab differs from fusha used in Quran and Modern Standard Arabic. I never met an educated Egyptian who could carry on a conversation for more than 5 minutes in proper Arabic. They even use the slang in the university. The only exceptions may be Quran teachers, and even some of them have difficulty. The reason is NOBODY SPEAKS ARABIC. NOW. Go to Egypt to learn Quran..they are the best! Memorize as much as you can and Allah will reward you for your effort and you will be able to speak Arabic by this means. Studying grammar is not important unless you have a high goal of reading classical books of tafseer, hadeeth, fiqh etc.in Arabic They add the prefix b to verbs and the suffix sh. Really it is tragic. Also literacy is only 60%.

[@Islam.is.the.truth..]

This is horrible advice Egypt is probably the best place to learn Classical Arabic right now thousands of students go there and there are 100s of schools with 100s of students inside who you can practice fusha with all day.

[@abzinho10karim25]

Sheikh Abdul wahid from ICT in croydon!!!! Mashaallah tabarakallah

[@82kmal]

I studied Bayna Yadayk in Cairo at a school, and I found that it was the best experience because of the classroom environment with a teacher. However, if I was in a position where I had to self study I believe a more grammar focused book like Madina Books would probably be easier to follow

[@ukhtis3276]

How long did it take to have a full conversation in atabic

[@storyteller32196]

​@@ukhtis3276It's take 4 month if you are attending 4 days a week.

[@mechengineer8121]

I studied only madina book 1 and matn al jurumiyah. And listening much to arabic teacher, reading much hadeeth of our prophets and watching many arabic conversions videos in youtube, and talking much with others though i made more mistakes but alhamdulillah, i now reach a point if i speak, people are thinnking, I'm a native from the start of conversion. Hahaah alhamdulillah.

[@youneslamrini270]

What‘s the best and most affordable school in egypt? With accommodation and stuff, can someone recommend one?

[@sunmoonstar124]

On preply using bayna yadaik

[@khoyrulislam]

Only الله knows how many people have learnt Arabic by using the Madinah Arabic books so I think this is very bad advice from a young student of knowledge to advise against studying the Madinah Arabic books. There's a reason why it is the most famous series of books teaching the Arabic language to those who cannot speak it. Sometimes we have to look at the evidence (of its popularity etc) and disregard our own opinions which is based on limited personal experience. I hope A.T has a chance to reflect upon his statements and take back some of what he has said.

[@dimatasaya]

I agree with you. I completed Madinah Book 1, and now am learning Madinah Book 2. At the same time I and my teenage son are now taking a lesson with ABY book. I am able to compose some variations of sentences, while my son is struggling as he did not start with Madinah Book

[@talhahussain5570]

@@dimatasayajazakallahu khairen that was very helpful 👌🏼

[@Islam.is.the.truth..]

You dont know what youre talking about im a student in madinah and even the teachers themselves criticize the books. They are going to switch to another curriculum soon. This is not the most famous series at all in the Arab world its the most famous serious in the west because of the name attached to it “madinah university”. You are talking about opinions but i can tell you dont know arabic and have barely studied it. Since you dont understand the topic that is being discussed its best that you actually keep your opinion to yourself since you dont even know what is used for evidence on this topic.

[@AbuAbdullahAlHanbali]

@@Islam.is.the.truth..could you give some reasons why the Sheyukh criticise the book Akhi?

[@miahmed1249]

Yeah i agree , beginners should learn conversational arabic first thereafter learn grammar. Think about it, how did you learn your 1st language as a baby? Before anything , it was learning to how to ... speak. This is the natural way to learn a language. Speaking and understanding should be prioritized at the beginning , then one can move onto grammar etc. الرحمن. علم القرآن. خلق الإنسان. علمه البيان.

[@brother6862]

subhanallahhhhhh

[@NanaH.]

I think the best is a combo: Madinah book 1 and 2 provides you with a solid grasp on the sentence structure of Arabic and how the order of the words used in a sentence can greatly impact the meaning and Bayna Yadayk teaches you vocabs, their implementation and helps you understand more.

[@AllwheelsAutoBody]

I did Bayna yadaik and i like it more than madinah books

[@gamerabossb1777]

Where was this filmed?

[@denisalvarado]

I Agree with Abu Taymiyyah

[@abdullahsaleemi6778]

Medina books meaning دروس اللغة?

[@bigilluckyne8466]

Madinah arabic is better it teaches you both conversational arabic and grammar especially book 2 and book 3. Learning grammar and conversational arabic and learning only conversational arabic in the same period of time which is best or better

[@khalidjawaid8459]

Madinah books are important due to grammar in it and baina yadaik is good for conversation.

[@Answering-missionaries-kenya]

What if you read both

[@TheBurnttea]

نحن لا نفهم جيدا و لا نتكلم بطلاقة لأننا نركز على النحو و الصرف غالبا و لا نركز على المفردات و التراكيب.

[@abuilyaas1383]

SubhanAllah this came on its time. This tuesday coming my local masjid are starting Al Arabiyyah Bayna Yadayk but im not sure if I should join as I was told that one should atleast know how to read and write. I can do both but at a slow pace especially writting. So in sha Allah theres some advice here to take with me before I make the decision to join or not

[@hararehaile2813]

That's the best Arabic starter If you can write and read

[@furkanc51]

Join Brother, your reading and writing will improve soon in shā Allāh

[@abuilyaas1383]

Lol just realised I have watched this before on the Madinah College channel.

[@Lion_Heart14]

@@abuilyaas1383 lol i too thought ust abu T is going to give some more insights,turns out its a snippet

[@MuslimYouthMedia]

my Arabic Teacher in morocco said that Ajroomeeyah book has lot of mistakes in the arabic text formattting

[@Nssr6.9]

Can you give us exemples ?

[@AmirMuhammad1445]

I have Medina book’s and gateway to Arabic books and I prefer gateway to Arabic

[@user-cp1tp7vl4c]

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته Can anyone suggest where to learn Al Arabiya bayna yadaik online please?

[@Lion_Heart14]

There's a channel called "@Arabic Enthusiasts" He has a playlist for bayna yadayk I find the brothers' classes to be the best as the rest of the classes for example by green lane masjid are too old and uninteractive

[@user-cp1tp7vl4c]

@@Lion_Heart14 بارك الله فيك 💖

[@Lion_Heart14]

@@user-cp1tp7vl4c و فيكي

[@krushkrushemz1718]

walaikum mussalam

[@user-cp1tp7vl4c]

@@Lion_Heart14 May Allah SWT reward you for recommending it 🤩❤️

[@ahmed19567]

Do you guys know schools in Egypt that can help me learn Arabic? I currently live in US and I want to live abroad to study arabic.

[@QualityLifeControl]

asalam aleikum. are you still intressted in this?

[@Musaafir2]

@@QualityLifeControl Wa alaykum salam, I am.

[@QualityLifeControl]

@@Musaafir2 asalam aleikum, are you a sister 🧐,

[@Musaafir2]

La I'm not @@QualityLifeControl

[@Katsuki1031]

I’m in Egypt right now! Go to Marla’s Al Ibaanah Arabic Center

[@imheretocausetrouble2156]

Why not Medinah?

[@kay1057]

If your aim is not to become a student of Islam, then learning conversational Arabic is fine. The problem with not learning classical Arabic you cant even understand the Quran, or the Hadiths. Because you do not understand how Arabs spoke. How are you going to understand the meaning. Also Fuṣḥā which is Modern Standard Arabic is not the same as Classical Arabic, people today confuse the two.

[@smashb3766]

Can I understan Quran in taraweeh without grammar madinah book

[@TheHabibOfMankind]

I started the Madinah books and I’m enjoying it but it’s becoming a little bit difficult, I’ve learnt a little bit of conversational Arabic but mostly grammar. My goal is to be able to study advanced tafseer and other books that are in Arabic. Is learning conversational Arabic as important for my goal? Jazakallahu khair

[@MZD15]

same question. I want to read Quran tafseer in Arabic

[@Hussain-ch3pr]

You don't need conversionational Arabic if your goal is to advance in the Islamic sciences. Concentrate on Sarf and Nahw.

[@MuhammadAli-mz4pq]

After the Madinah Books there is also the Conversation Drills book, and much more after that. So I like the Madinah Book course very much.

[@TheHabibOfMankind]

@@MuhammadAli-mz4pq conversation drills? Where can I find them?

[@NanaH.]

If you’ve done book 1 and 2 in Madinah books then start doing Bayna Yadayk and the sidebooks of MB like the ahadith books, seerah books etc. They’ll aid your understanding and increase your vocabulary

[@NoOneAM2]

Madinah books are diamonds

[@ShakeelAhmed-if6io]

ijaada institute

[@aliasname6718]

Ustadh the countdown has music in it.

[@kaneki1851]

Madina books are best

[@htmoh8115]

Most learning conversational Arabic but have no Arabic speakers to practice on is a waste. Since you need constant practice otherwise you will forget what you learnt.

[@mohamudahmed6554]

Nope, i speak english well and i never lived in a english speaking country. I simply used it here after years of listening and reading english. Soon as i started speaking it it became easier and now i can easily converse even though i haven't spoken it for 2 years or so. So no, learn to converse, learn basic vocab and everyone will be fine. Speak to yourself, anything to keep it going.

[@htmoh8115]

@@mohamudahmed6554 English is one of the easiest language to learn. So many who studied Arabic can't formulate a sentence properly. Everyone is different. You can't use yourself an expect people to be same as you. This is a basic common sense in the English language.

[@mohamudahmed6554]

@@htmoh8115 True, can't generalize, but it kinda seems like its pretty general and that the exceptions are those who easily forget a language. If someone learns a language (listening and understanding what they read) then learn to speak it, unless they completely ignore the language they should be fine. This is usually specific to those who say "Yeah i once learned x as a kid, but then never used it and forgot about it" . I also have a similar experience, completely neglected this once language and now i only remember how to count. I also speak 2 other languages and use one daily and same goes for many people i know here. I have had the experience of my language skill becoming less advanced in my native tounge and so do most of us who's parents migrated to Europe specially when. So watching few videos in the target language here and there and reading books should keep one not forgetting about basic communication. At the end of the day, a person can use easy and simple sentences. So no, learning how to speak arabic is definitely not a waste. Specially in a country where the muslim in the masjid speak arabic like the UK and even here in Finland. Have you tried to learn conversational arabic and then forgotten it? I don't think so. It is not easy to forget a language specially if you read and listening in that language. As for english, its easy, but once you learn it and speak it, forgetting it is difficult unless you stop listening and reading everything related to that language and same goes for every other language.

[@htmoh8115]

@@mohamudahmed6554 anything is possible as long as you actually put it effort, be constant and persistent. An remember why you learning Arabic. Last but not least, make dua to Allah to make it easy for you. Hard work is where people fail, the journey is long. Need patience.

[@rpgixhdh8045]

Can we just say medina books Are for experts? Like algebra is for math experts? When you don’t know 1+1 you cant do Algebra so its Not very intelligent when you Start with algebra before you don’t know the basics, i think its that easy.

[@veiledlioness4893]

No . Madina book volume 1 is very easy and it's not for experts but for beginners who don't know anything except how to read arabic with harkaat . And I'm saying this with my experience .

[@mohammed96011]

Bayna Yadayk is the best. The madinah books are terrible to learn Arabic from. All they teach you is a bunch of grammar rules.

[@brother6862]

need bothhhhh brooooo

[@liby254]

i personally beleive if you go straight to Bayna Yadayk, it will be hard, as they go straight into the Mazeed verbs and etc

[@limitedquantitysufiyyahexp4905]

Grammar isn't terrible Akhī, it might not be the place to start from, but it's one of the most important sciences.

[@zemphz]

@@limitedquantitysufiyyahexp4905 it’s great gives you a good foundation helps with understanding islamic sciences

[@mohammed96011]

@@limitedquantitysufiyyahexp4905 last to learn though. Unfortunately islamic schools teach it first

[@aboutamimalfrancy]

Al arabia ben yadek is the best

[@mohamudahmed6554]

Ya Aba Taymiyyah, the author of the Madinah books himself agrees with you: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3OpdIiPpcyobrM Starts from 29:05

[@1986Faruq]

I went to Madinha a few years ago, i entered the Class with ZERO understanding of Arabic... but I could read the letters. The teach speaks in Arabic only and would give commands to the students in Arabic to open their books and write XYZ in our notepads... Naturally i didnt understand anything except the odd word like hadith or customary words of Muslims like Salah etc; It was very difficult to sit for 4 hrs and have teachers come in and teach books but not know what they are talking about... I am with Abu Taymiyyah

[@vorsprung2330]

Because you didn’t study anything in arabic that is why you didn’t understand

[@vorsprung2330]

You speak like you completed 3 madina book series and you went to madina and didn’t understand. How can you blame a thing which you didn’t do ?

[@1986Faruq]

@@vorsprung2330 you need to calm dial first and foremost I'm only coming in on the fact that it is not a good program for beginners that is all

[@vorsprung2330]

@@1986Faruq I am as calm as water bro Just you didn’t study madina books And you are speaking like you completed. Allah knows best But if you have ever studied even hardly madina book two you would have understood a lot things in class

[@1986Faruq]

@vorsprung2330 there is something wrong with you may God help you