The BIG MOVES of Smash - An Analysis

[@MrMockRock]

Quick clarification: I'm aware some other moves (Rest, fully charged Flare Blade, Bucket with the right ammo, etc.) can do the same/more damage than Skewer. "The most damage in a single move" was supposed to imply that none of these were applicable, but "the most damage in a single moment" may have conveyed that better. My mistake, thanks for watching in any case! List of links: Beefy Smash Doods' video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5-3Y4mFgdylp80 Core-A Gaming's video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l6GWZ2x7iJJpjtk Twitter: twitter.com/MrMockRock Patreon: www.patreon.com/mockrock

[@kiaghezel-ayagh9099]

MockRock rest does a sort of poison damage, and flare blade does 54. Also, my favorite big move is warlock/falcon punch

[@loading8452]

incineroar revenge alolan whip

[@kiaghezel-ayagh9099]

bean revenged 3 turnaround warlock punches with spirits attack buff giant Ganon, then... THATS A LOT OF DAMAGE

[@Dr6or7KraftSingles]

Rest does 20 lmao

[@kiaghezel-ayagh9099]

Nicholas Termignon no. It gives flower, so it technically hits for 70

[@matthewsands2778]

It’s not about winning. It’s about sending a message. -Alpharad

[@giornogiovanna2008]

Why can't their be a strongly agree option on comments

[@karmec7561]

"hey you, yes you. you Suck and i'm going to prove it now." *B*

[@TimeLordNivek]

Me, when I play ganondorf

[@Billbobs678]

Yup

[@treddox5880]

Actually, it was Joker from The Dark Knight who said that. Alpharad adapted that quote. Alpharad actually quotes a whole lot of stuff that goes over people's heads, my own included.

[@tetzy3882]

Beginning of video: Let’s see which big move is the most useful End of video: Will ganondorf ever have is own identity, being part of one of the most influential games in history?

[@waluigiisthebest2802]

Answer: No. Reworking characters seems to not exist in the eyes of smash devs. Although maybe if the game is rebooted for the next smash game, then the characters might have changed movesets

[@Stryfe52]

little Mac and ganon were just done dirty man…

[@vivelespatat2670]

@@waluigiisthebest2802 been waiting for a rework since brawl man

[@Zanador]

@@waluigiisthebest2802 If there was ever a time to rework the old characters, it's in the next game after Ultimate. Assuming that Sakurai actually retires from Smash development and that the next game almost definitely can't bring everyone back while also adding newcomers, it seems like the most sensible option for Smash 6 is to essentially reboot the franchise.

[@El_Mince]

@@waluigiisthebest2802 Brawl Falco and Sm4sh Bowser?

[@absol-utezero2942]

That intro transition was probably the slickest thing I’ve ever seen

[@nate9962]

SubZero9120 exactly!

[@OP_Quag]

Was about to comment that myself if someone hadn't already, MockRock's editing, pacing, and transitions are some of the best in all of youtube

[@zacharyjohnson9562]

Talk about it.

[@batguy39]

OP yeah Satisfaction

[@storm6777]

It bugs me though, how only one of the characters in the transitions isn't a smash character

[@andiamo168]

Picture this: you’re playing a game with your friends and there’s 8 players, so you spawn on the left of magicant. You are playing wolf, a character that has a horrible recovery with his up b. You and your friends just unlocked Ridley. Unlike your friends, you are completely aware of how every fighter in the game plays. By some amount of luck, you spawn right next to the Ridley player. Because they don’t know how to play the game, they know that almost every fighter’s down b is the odd on out, so that’s what they input. And guess what? In less than the first 5 seconds of the game, there’s 60 percent on wolf, a confused you, and screams from your friends as they’ve never seen Ridley do anything. Based on a true story.

[@toadsterx1176]

I did that once but I knew what the move did😏

[@regalblade8171]

When I firstly played the game I SD with Mario on a Battlefield believing j was the Pikachu on the right.........I was on the left of a 1v1 I was such a moron

[@alexlee9385]

If you time your inputs just right you can catch the most common starting actions players will take, within the first second of a match on either battle field or small battle field, with skewer. And let me tell you it is a real demoralizing way to start things off for your opponent

[@shalinchada5940]

Try down throw to down b. Always works on new players

[@jmurray1110]

When set up close to a character a spot dish or roll is usually a good option to either close or widen the gap and minimise lick on their end

[@StarTheKid16]

14:57 “Or do absolutely nothing” *Shows Luigi* MockRock, I love you.

[@MrMockRock]

Who else could it have possibly been?

[@OP_Quag]

I didn't even catch that. That attention to detail is amazing

[@magnificentsir7274]

Clever.....

[@dread_iguess]

Luigi still won by doing absolutely nothing.

[@randyjordan1320]

I was just about to comment this

[@MeboDotExe]

using Luigi for the “do absolutely nothing” is genius

[@maxcrss2845]

All of these big moves are more mind games and statements than sure fire kill options. It’s an easy way to state “I know what you’re going to do before you do it.”

[@mysteryman1036]

*DIS RE SPECT*

[@waveplasma1369]

*I am 4 parallel universes ahead of you.*

[@craigyeah1052]

@Roy is Our Boy? Is that a Jojo reference?

[@sleepy_b0i]

Thats like, half of competitive smash, just reads. ( im kidding chill )

[@ViltrumiteIsRite99]

@@sleepy_b0i Actually you’re not. Eventually, it comes down to muscle memory about match ups & spacing. The victor’s dream is to have all of this in grained, so they read everything, and punish with no risk, all reward.

[@kylemarsh8971]

I see two possible ways to fix Ganondorf: 1. Change Ganondorf and add Black Shadow to take his old move set 2. Add Ganon as a separate character, based around the trident and whatnot

[@brianv9242]

Completely agree. Make black shadow an echo captain falcon and then Ganondorf will have his own unique moveset. This will appease the vast majority of people calling for a moveset overhaul, as well as keeping the original Ganondorf moveset preserved

[@adomali87yearsago.71]

If only this was the same for BOTW link. So many weapons and I'm especially mad about the outfits. No Geruode outfit?

[@kimotokirby1601]

His special moves NEEDS to be complete change (sorry for my inglish xDDD, i understand the inglish but a can't write it correctly xDDD)

[@supremechaosbeing2696]

same idea, but i didn’t think of an f-zero character i just imagined Big Mac, a giga mac in clownface

[@MaxWelton]

3. Add Toon Ganondorf, a dual-wielding swordie from the end of Wind Waker

[@Michael_Raymond]

"I'm upset that competitive players don't use big, risky moves more", says THE ONLY MAN WITH THE ABILITY TO REBALANCE THE GAME

[@athul8752]

Huh?

[@bobijameep1344]

And who also made little mac's k.o. punch kill later. Why?!

[@dddmemaybe]

If big risky moves become better than online requires less skill to play due to reaction times being abhorrent. If we have the 10 frames of human reaction + 10 frames of internet lag + 10 frames of buffer things can easily compile out of control.

[@acecanti4175]

It's weird how sakurai created this largely competitive game but is a complete casual

[@FerousFolly]

@Daniel Davies he would prefer to see more people using risky, powerful moves rather than effective, tactically superior weaker moves.

[@tehepicduckeh1409]

"rolling is one of the first habits players learn to break" meanwhile i haven't learned to grab like ever

[@yizao9289]

I just spam buttons and yeah that’s it XD

[@yizao9289]

@@SoRa-re1yd what online I don’t even have the Nintendo online system

[@curtschneider3590]

How do you roll?

[@averagechapstick]

@@curtschneider3590 Shield + left or right

[@supremechaosbeing2696]

yeah as a kid playing brawl i never shielded or grabbed. I just used meta knight, like everyone else Edit: by the way, I didn't know he was good I just thought "he cool and sword have and also he fly"

[@kai0318]

I'm not even a minute in the video but I need to say this, the transition from the in-game Up-tilt to your intro was 👌

[@jinnans_gd]

14:56 "Or do absolutely nothing" *Puts Luigi * *Ooh... I see what you did there*

[@jinnans_gd]

@Max Rob No I swear

[@jinnans_gd]

@Max Rob I know but I hadn't seen it when I wrote this comment I swear

[@Billbobs678]

@@jinnans_gd yea.... *suuuurreeeee

[@jinnans_gd]

@@Billbobs678 Why would I copy the most liked comment (which has a heart) are you stupid

[@Billbobs678]

@@jinnans_gd bruh

[@xRagingxDemonx]

Smash & LoZ Fans: Ganondorf's Warlock Punch isn't canon. Nintendo please change. Nintendo: "Not Canon?? Not Ganon?? Feast your eyes on This!" *reveals True Ganon in a new LoZ game who uses Warlock Punch*

[@mathunit1]

If BoTW2 actually has Warlock Punch, I'd laugh my ass off.

[@gambledork7154]

WeLl aCtUalLy hE pUnChEs tHe tEnNiS bAlL iN oCaRiNa oF tiME sO tHaT sHoUlD cOuNt Also yeah I'd laugh my ass off too

[@noble6752]

I cant even imagine the busted amount of damage it would do

[@xRagingxDemonx]

@@noble6752 If he turns around during it's animation instant death.

[@noble6752]

@@xRagingxDemonx And the Normal version has splash damage

[@roshambogaming7813]

I have a friend who plays Dedede and uses Jet Hammer in tourneys all the time. A lot of people just don't know how to deal with it

[@Cera_01]

0:48 That transition was amazing.

[@futureaests2170]

The way I view it, Ganon has evolved into an _Interpretation_ of the canon Ganon. I always really enjoyed the wizard and magic affiliation in Ganons moveset in smash. It counters the stereotypical picture of an old/ physically weak and frail magic user so perfectly. Especially in Ultimate. He uses magic, his sword and his own body in attacks and it makes for a wonderfully diverse and interesting moveset that might not be true to the story, but paints the right picture. I personally really enjoy him this way.

[@foxmask8032]

Honestly I think it fits the canon anyway, especially the way it's said in the video. Ganon is described as a Glory or Death chracter which fits pretty much all of his iteration concidering that he pulls the boldest moves ever, taking on a whole kingdom, sometimes even directly and even alone, and either succedes or dies trying. But he always leaves a mark in the world. This is exactly who Ganon is in smash : A heavy hiter with ambitions as big as his sword who's here to leave an ever lasting impression on everyone.

[@graalis5195]

We don’t warlock punch for the reward It’s for the DISRESPECT Edit: come back two months later and never expected to get so many likes. Thank you guys!

[@krishnandabahar1900]

fake2king we have taunt button for that

[@terrytaylor7036]

@@krishnandabahar1900 warlock punch does it better

[@graalis5195]

Krishnanda Bahar well not online

[@inarikitsune437]

I just press it whenever I’m winning just like I do falcon punch

[@TiStardust]

@@krishnandabahar1900 Your lack of style and imagination is probably the most disappointing thing I've seen from this community thus far.

[@MalpiaRodzina]

14:56 I just LOVE how he put Luigi while saying ''or doing absolutely nothing''

[@Cri_Jackal]

For replacing warlock punch, I'd choose the light orb, but it would be able to be charged by holding the button, and if you keep holding the button it'll become the warlock punch, similar to Diddy's peanut gun.

[@somerandomwizard5799]

Not *THATS* a good idea!

[@theillusionist1494]

This... is actually one of the best ideas I’ve heard for this concept. Kudos.

[@angelmendez-rivera351]

Cri Cat I was expecting a joke, but actually, your suggestion is genuinely worth considering, what the heck.

[@theillusionist1494]

I think the best application of this would be three levels of charge. First would be a quick reflector - not as active or long-lasting as Nayru’s Love (Zelda neutral B), more like Mario’s cape. Holding it a little more would produce the light orb - which could turn into the Dead Man’s Volley with any character with a reflector, since all he’d have to do to reflect it would be tap the B button again. And then, holding it past the light orb’s level would result in the warlock punch.

[@concord3230]

What I think would be cool would be if, during his neutral special (or heck, even as a replacement for his *down* special), Ganondorf would punch the ground and create a shockwave sort of effect (similar to Ike’s NS but to a much lighter degree). If you’re in the air, you’d end up diving downward and punching the ground, creating a much bigger effect depending on how high you were previously. This sort of move would be in reference to his Ocarina of Time boss fight, where he would dive and strike the ground just before the fight would start, causing tiles to fall and setting up the arena’s layout for the ensuing tennis match. I believe Ganondorf would also do this when you jumped onto his platform when he isn’t incapacitated.

[@eyeris4050]

That ending was so deep man. I nearly weeped tears for Ganondorf

[@geekgo4]

Now, I want your take on how every Veteran Fighter should be redone.

[@shir0azure339]

THIS PLEASE!

[@MrMockRock]

@@shir0azure339 Several similar ideas actually are already on the list, no worries!

[@vktrlndwll95]

Samus gets the ability to tilt her canon. Boom! Top tier.

[@geekgo4]

@Muse Suse They already are.

[@kachosuffer7]

@@vktrlndwll95 ewwww no

[@boomerangthrower3961]

Fun fact: when Luigi’s down taunt hits a grounded opponent, the effect just before they get airborne is pretty much the same as hitting the ground and bouncing up, so it always spikes, just impossible to tech Because reaction time is so slow for a human to do it

[@royalpotato4106]

14:57 - "...or do absolutely nothing" *shows Luigi

[@Thy_Guardian]

I just noticed it lmao

[@biben10]

This is honestly one of the most well edited videos I have ever seen. Every 10 seconds I was impressed, like actually. Very good stuff.

[@HeyItsAmber99]

14:56 "or do absolutely nothing" he says as he Skewers Luigi, i like the subtlety.

[@melissajones1846]

14:56 When he says absolutely nothing it’s Luigi. Thank you MockRock that detail was amazing

[@fkdksnsncmelsndjdksms1904]

They should put Ganons old melee moveset onto black shadow and give ganon a new moveset

[@emblemblade9245]

Fkdksnsncmelsn Djdksms I wish people wouldn’t just suggest Black Shadow merely as a dumping ground. It’s kinda rude

[@emblemblade9245]

Wolfasaurus Rex People who say this don’t know a thing about Black Shadow. They don’t actually care about him getting in, they just need someone to shove Ganon’s moveset onto. Don’t even see the point, he’s finally great in this game, plays nothing like Falcon, hardly looks the same as him in animations these days, and there’s plenty of other characters with misrepresented movesets that don’t have their fans begging for a change as much as Ganondorf fans. And don’t give me that Hyryle Warriors excuse, you just can’t compare the two games so equally, especially since everyone was made ridiculous and over the top in that game.

[@gmbbl05]

Or phantom ganon 👀

[@oboss7740]

Yes

[@NoxiMation]

@@emblemblade9245 ^

[@Daemon105]

14:56 I like this little Easter egg of using Luigi with the "doing absolutely nothing" parg

[@utuberkid]

Am I the only one that noticed when you said "Do absolutely nothing." for Ridleys Skewer that you used Luigi? If it was intended, it's a really nice touch.

[@marsupialmole3926]

The one situation in which I most often find myself landing skewer is in punishing an opponent's ledge option. If Ridley is standing far enough from the ledge that his plasma breath will hit a hanging opponent, then he can punish neutral getup on a read and ledge attack on reaction with skewer. Combine this with his massive Nair covering drop+ double jump and ledge jump and it becomes much more likely that you'll land it, even if it is still risky and overall unlikely

[@coolbread99]

14:55 Love how he used luigi for this specific example.

[@hitmontopguy621]

The Ganon clip to the intro was so sleek lmao

[@Billbobs678]

Yep so good

[@scarffoxandfriends9401]

I think if they ever change Ganondorf, theh should give his old moveset to Blood Falcon or Black Shadow

[@notalive5479]

I agree to giving Ganondorf's moveset to Black Shadow, but not Blood Falcon. If Blood Falcon were ever introduced he would be best represented as an exaggerated version of Captain Falcon. Even faster, even nastier, even stronger, but far more slippery and even harder to use. After all, if Captain Falcon was based on F-zero and the blue falcon, than Blood Falcon should be based on the Blood Hawk. Black Shadow makes sense though. The Black Bull is fast as hell, tough as nails, and hits like a truck because of its weight, but suffers because of its acceleration. Black Shadow with Ganon's moveset would fit his machine pretty well. It's hard to get to first place, but if you're close to Black Shadow, get the fuck out of there. And when he does get first place, good luck catching him.

[@kwisowofer9872]

The Black Shadow spirit even has Ganondorf, I assume, representing him.

[@hedgehugs]

Ganon Uptilt to Intro and using Daisy Upair to show connection was sick. Subscribed.

[@franklinturtleton6525]

yeah honestly ganon is in a bad place. He's fun and landing shit is hype but like, he's one of the only characters to not have a canonical moveset. The others being the starfox crew because.. well what moveset do you give characters who's games revolve around spaceships? Thinking about it, when did ganon have a sword aside from twilight princess?

[@jackhammer4499]

Most specials seem to be inspired by what the Arwings do, but I can't for the life of me explain the Up Special. As for Ganondorf, that sword he uses in Ultimate was actually seen in a tech demo for the GameCube, showing a scene where he was fighting Link with it. It's funny to me, as it's appeared in 2 released Smash games (he had it in a victory animation in Melee) and 0 released Zelda games. Also he used two smaller swords in Wind Waker, but that was an entirely different fighting style.

[@franklinturtleton6525]

​@@jackhammer4499 Ah the arwing thing makes sense. The up special could just be referencing something as simple as the engines. I wonder if Ganon's lack of canonity in his moveset is because people like him as a bad falcon echo or because the dev's really have no inspiration for what to do with him.

[@jackhammer4499]

@@franklinturtleton6525 I think it's a character identity thing to Sakurai. Which is, of course, a colossal shame. As MockRock said, you know that if Ganondorf was introduced to Smash later, he'd have a completely original moveset.

[@GothicSoldier9000]

Sylvanos from RoA would probably be a better template for Ganon, as a stage-control heavy character. Reflector neutral special, farther/more controllable up special, longer side special, and a down special projectile that he could hit around. Nostalgia is no excuse at this point.

[@petery6432]

@@GothicSoldier9000 I really don't understand why they haven't changed Ganondorf's special moves. They are what are supposed to be what shows the characters Canonical abilities, yet the only Special the does this is Flame Choke. I don't think people are attached to Warlock punch, Wizard's Foot, and Dark dive, so there's really no excuse for not exchanging for moves that are canon, like a Electric orb, reflecter, and Warping recovery.

[@mairou996]

Okay so that transition to the intro is so fluent great job on that

[@henriquemarques4903]

4:21 Ah, I see we're using the power of 「KING CRIMSON」to explain frames.

[@maskedhylian6674]

Henrique Marques KINGO CURIMSON

[@jakememegod6488]

WRYYYYYYYYYYYY Wrong reference i know. But im only in diamond is unbreakable no spoilers

[@dingdong1005.]

Oh boy am i hyped for this finale

[@julinpro9525]

Jake Memegod JoJo dies

[@jakememegod6488]

@@julinpro9525 ye. I know. F

[@sirpig7141]

Gotta be honest Jet hammer is really nice. I mean it has armor, hits the ledge, covers entire platforms, has some surprisingly good range, and has a fear factor to it that you don't see in many moves... It's a far cry from sm4sh where it was a literal joke along with half of D3's kit.

[@MsDarkz123]

I hit a lot of people on the ledge on 3DS but asides from that yeah you're not getting too much out of it except with careless people or just whoever don't knows that. The super armor and shield breaker capabilities really came in handy.

[@mitrimind1027]

Sometimes I don't even charge it and it still kills and being able to move around has allowed me to microspace against some attacks to make them whiff and then I go for big punish.

[@sellosqueez6278]

14:46 I like how he uses Luigi here to demonstrate someone doing "absolutely nothing"

[@Juniverse0]

Damn, that intro transition was flawless! Btw, the part about source material issues was very interesting. I do think the Warlock punch could be replaced, with something more fitting. (Also: Enter the Gungeon and Indivisible-music are always a win)

[@esqimo6647]

14:57 luigi tries to win by doing absolutely nothing. He failed.

[@monalisainspector9248]

That transition into the intro was clean.

[@MrMockRock]

Thank you, took forever to get right but very happy with how it turned out!

[@linkinrecker9410]

14:56 or do absolutely nothing :Luigi: my time has come

[@brandonmojica9693]

Why not just get Pig Gannon and give him the magical abilities?

[@100organicfreshmemes5]

Pig Ganon's abilities are much different from Ganondorf. Besides, giving Ganon his magic and ability to float would be much easier to balance on a large humanoid who is heavy or on the low end of super heavy than a gigantic pig demon that would probably be up there with Dedede and DK as one of the heaviest characters in the game.

[@givecamichips]

Ganon is too big

[@ViltrumiteIsRite99]

@@givecamichips *N o n s e n s e*

[@theantea-bloon2964]

I like during the ridley part he put Luigi as the victim of doing absolutely nothing for skewer examples

[@limethechef4372]

There's this one mod for brawl (can't remember the name) where there were 2 different ganon's, regular slow Ganon and mage ganon, where he completely represented his identity, he had his thing from OoT where he charged up light spheres and sent them at you, he actually wields magic, he can float in the air, he has a teleport with active input and he just was a much better ganon than what sakurai did (not trying to slam sakurai, just saying), i really wish this ganon could have been in an actual smash game

[@thepikachugamer]

14:56 "Or do absolutely nothing." *shows Luigi*

[@delaisaka3318]

Please remove warlock punch in favour for the cape from PM. It would make ganon far better as a character

[@Ghost-rb5tg]

Your rant about Ganondorf at the end made me subscribe. Thank you.

[@redditcore995]

"Do absolutely nothing" LUIGI ON SCREEN

[@psdjklgfuiob]

the intro transition is so clean holy.. also your intro music is one of my favorite tunes like ever.. i catch myself humming it all the time LOL

[@sarasaland4709]

MockRock’s editing is fire, Mario’s F.L.U.D.D should douse him.

[@lambda2143]

Funny story here: I was playing Ultimate as Ganondorf and got a challenger aproaching. It was Toon Link, and I literally killed him in 2 warlock punches. He didn't even land a hit, and it was hilarious.

[@foxmask8032]

@@TheTrueBrawler Let's not talk about the forward smash that kills lvl9 pichus at 0% or that kills any non-heavies after a single up smash.

[@ayar2]

the fallen hero timeline.

[@WakeUpUniverse66]

Gannondorf is the Reincarnation of Gannon in the smash Universe. Thats why its different AND Can be Canon and not Falcon Rip.

[@-snek.]

Sakurai himself basically came out and said people aren't playing sick enough. I knew he was a true Melee fan at heart, even if he denies it to this day.

[@vaderwalks]

As a Ganondorf main, the idea of replacing Warlock Punch with a reflect or even a projectile is too beautiful for words.

[@dddmemaybe]

What if after the first half of charging it has a strong suck windbox and a few frames after the active frames it sends a strong push windbox?

[@gregjenko2938]

no

[@menacing_name]

greg jenko yes

[@ColdNorth0628]

@@menacing_name mega no.

[@socksleeve]

Not only was this in project M, if you used his reflection mid-air GANON COULD FLOAT. They compensate by replacing his sword taunt with a move similar to his forward smash in Ultimate, and it basically worked the same as warlock punch.

[@filmsbuildsngaming307]

"Ridley's skewer does by far the most damage in the series" R.I.P. Jigglypuffs rest

[@ThinkOutsideTheBlocks]

Heroes up b that does over 300%: Am I a joke to you?

[@angelmendez-rivera351]

Think Outside The Blocks That move doesn't do over 300% unless reflected, so in a sense, that doesn't count as the move by itself doing damage.

[@DiamondPanda207]

@@angelmendez-rivera351 yea, and likewise rest inflicts a flower, which does allot of lingering damage

[@hoppefrosk]

Super Smash Bros Melee Peach's down-smash. Up to 65% if spaced correctly.

[@Billbobs678]

What about magic burst (63%) and G & W final smash agiants icies its possible to do lots of damage (600+) So yea

[@Ryuzekia]

Great editing, great voice. Godly music choices, and more.. mmm subbed.

[@MichaelBoxface]

Love that Luigis down taunt is on par with a mother flipping falcon punch

[@neogeothomas8127]

2:42 Does anyone have the ID code for that stage? I need that in my life.

[@dvdcopyofsharktaleVEVO]

As well as the video, i wanna see how that all turned out!

[@placeadrien5566]

Do it yourself

[@dolomite1067]

@@placeadrien5566 They wouldn't even know the stage name, let alone the ID, so don't act like that, especially when the question the person asks its harmless, if you didn't try to be rude, the way you typed it sounded rude.

[@placeadrien5566]

@@dolomite1067 Indeed, I didn't try to be rude, and I am sorry if it was read that way. My point was, since it is a very simple stage, that the op could easily reproduce it with his own stage builder.

[@zachwagner9978]

I love how the three characters in the preview picture are literally my 3 mains

[@pyraswolf4263]

Ganon with peach float and (aimable) corrin neutral b would be cool cuz uh warlock punch is cool but we have doriyah so

[@AshenDemon]

I mean Down Taunt isn't meant to be good, it's a super disrespectful taunt and the fact that it's hard to land and has low reward makes it even more disrespectful when killing with it.

[@milkmaster9247]

Technically rest does the most damage if you wait for the slow damage

[@TripleExM]

Hearing someone who knows what they’re talking about in the competitive scene make one of these videos is refreshing

[@worraw3337]

13:26 Thats actually incorrect. In melee, peach's down smash can do up to 64% to fast falling opponent like fox. The number of hitboxs on that move is stupid

[@CanClub]

🤓

[@jjjimenez6639]

I like that the "do absolutely nothing" was shown with luigi

[@Qwaylix]

13:25 “by far most damage a single move has ever done” Hero: “hold my beer”

[@Billbobs678]

What about rest because flower damage

[@Qwaylix]

@@Billbobs678 how much damage does the flower damage do?

[@Billbobs678]

@@Qwaylix I know that the rest and flower does over 70 but still not sure about just how much

[@Qwaylix]

bill bobs hmm hero can stack so much stuff and in theory I think I’ve seen a video where they managed to do over 500%.... plus thwack exist as a chance for a one hit kill so idk how you would rate that in damage...

[@Billbobs678]

@@Qwaylix well tru I saw a vid where G and W does 600% against icies and twack basicly only does 3 percent so yeah

[@Roseymazin]

"is there anyone else to close the video out with?" Mii brawler, g&w, the pk bois, byleth, cloud with limit, and hero with hatchet man: *am I a joke to you?*

[@crispyhottakes]

So everyone just going to ignore that my boy Bugs just murdered an octopus with a bucket and some juice?

[@shady8045]

“Luigis amazing down tilt” oh how things have changed... how things have changed

[@yruganbunabiryrafael6704]

As a ganon main I don't want to give up my big punch but having a projectile or even better a reflector would be simply absolutely awesome

[@VampC]

A fast up tilt would help him a lot, too.

[@michaelcross7665]

I think jab or ftilt should reflect, like when he smacks back the orb in oot

[@TheDunsparceGames]

as a ganon main, i want to see warlock punch remade into a projectile ganon would be so much better if he had a reliable way to contest with projectile characters, so a projectile of his own is the best option

[@XFanmarX]

The power of "big moves" is mindgames. Scaring/surprising your opponent because they never expect you to do them. It can throw them off their game especially if they hit, because now they're aware of how easy it is for you to read them. At least, that's how I use them. But I'm no "pro smasher" so eh.

[@jcplays5831]

I would miss warlock punch cause shield breaking is kinda ganondorf’s thing They seriously should just give most of Ganondorf’s move set to Black Shadow. Bring back the smash 4 smash attacks with a lightning attribute (maybe even black lightning), actually give his specials lightning attributes instead of purple magic, give him a different up tilt (since volcano kick is basically Ganondorf’s prime big move), different animations that fit Black Shadow better, and make his final smash a reference to his doomsday plan from the anime if it worked out (similar to King K. Rool’s).

[@ASmarterThanAverageSeel]

I loved how when you said “absolutely nothing”, you showed weegee

[@LnnyOsoTo]

I think it was the safer choice to keep Warlock punch after changing his Smashes. However now that the Smashes have already become so incredibly iconic, seriously ask someone what was Ganon's forward Smash in Smash 4 see if they remember, I feel they can safely swap it out for something better.

[@foxmask8032]

Ganon main from smash 4 here, it was Captian Falcon's elbow strike (or whatever you wanna call it) and his up smash was a painfully short upwards kick. Only reason I remember it is because it phisically hurt me to use them concidering that Ganon is both my favorite antagonist ever and that his other moves were really viable for who he was. So yea, I do welcome the big stupid sword that murders Pichus at 0% with open arms. Also Warlock punch has garnered so much hype during the years that I think that replacing it would be a huge double or nothing for Nintendo. Like, if it's a move that follows the same dynamic, as in stupid, slow but hype as all hell AND that's more iconic to canon Ganon, sure, the fans might accept it. But if it's a flimsy projectile that just helps start combos or a Lucina/Marth shield break clone, yea people will riot. Sure the high comp players might like it and we'll see more Ganon mains on the competitive scene, but Ganon just won't be Ganon anymore. The whole part of the Ganon mains who are here for THE DORF, aka the goofy gameplay, the give me glory or give me death, the Ganonside on last stock to save the honor and the "I don't fight to win, I fight to humiliate my oponent !" mindset, they'll just feel robbed of one of their biggest tools of disrespect and fun. On top of that, I feel like his similarity to Captain Falcon allowed a bridge for Captain Falcon mains to experience a different flavor of fighter (which is how I became a Ganon main btw). He's similar enough that Captain Falcon mains can familiarise themselves with him first, then develop their own playstyle yet still be able to go back to their original main at any point. It also works the other way around (though less effectively), so it's a win/win.

[@aidenzorn8322]

the thing about falcon punch... is that it gives you so many options to avoid getting hit by it that sometimes you forget to pick one.

[@foxmask8032]

That's like 80% or the time it hits too, you just panick and forget which one works best in your situation. The fact that Captain Falcon can pressure you for a long while all while doing nothing adds to it, making his opponent stress level increase until they can finally hit them.

[@Tonini08]

Actually with some characters, Kirby’s hammer can hit below the ledge. As you showed with Luigi’s down taunt, maybe Ganondorf is not the best character to show for hitboxes.

[@foxmask8032]

Goofy ah side smash that hits behind him, stupid Dair that spikes up to his back, devilish up B reach that grabs the ledge a feet and a half away from his hand. Yep, that's Ganon for you.

[@willingoYT]

For the level of production and thought put into these, you deserve a lot more views!

[@ultimatebrsmash3652]

"[...]it's great to have them in the game, because the ability to express yourself through chaos and laugh at the odds is exciting, challenging and above all, (hits down taunt) FUN! exactly what smash should be." You represents me and my wish to keep having fun with smash. (and with my clip) Thanks, bro. (y)

[@mdudegamer]

I still have yet to hit with the Luigi down taunt. One day... one day I will earn that badge of honor.

[@heyfishboi5806]

13:30 actually a single rest from puff beats out Ridley's skewer damage wise

[@scrunk845]

Hero: *laughs in magic burst*

[@itsdalu3416]

even if Luigi's down taunt is bad, it feels so cool to just kick people off long live the king style.

[@entropy04]

Me the Luigi main trying to down taunt my friend: I DID IT!!! My Friend: That’s all you’ve done whenever I’ve gone off stage!

[@sladikk]

The thing with Smash is that due to input lag/reaction times, players are actually playing a quarter second into the future...So the only use for these big moves is disruption when the enemy is confused

[@chamo7756]

You’ve created Byleth

[@_antisocialmedia6377]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Scrap Warlock Punch for a projectile. Ganon's boss fights have infamously sometimes become lethal games of tennis, give him a projectile that lets you play tennis in Smash

[@Spoody]

Kind of wish they gave Ganon his PM neutral B (Which is a float that lets you stall in the air for a little bit) Gives him sick setups and it helps him recover, plus it fits Ganon more as a character

[@LordKittenfish]

If we can have 3 forms of link, why can’t we have another ganon, who is literally known for being reincarnated through time, to represent a different form oh him in a different gane

[@shrek3747]

every time you land a Falcon punch a baby turns into a man

[@yonathantitov1721]

holy shit that intro was so good with the ganondorf

[@dr.epicphd5920]

I main puff in every smash and I absolutely loved rest in 64 and melee because the reward felt equal to the risk of using the move However in brawl and especially 4 and ult the move went from a good balance of risk and reward to a lot of risk for not that much of a reward

[@FlappyCat-ef6oq]

Puff secondary here. Rest in 64 isn't that good and I think Ultimates is better. Obviously melee rest is insane and kills at 30%. but you can combo into rest in ultimate, sing is really good, kills at 50ish. And once you get really good at landing it, the risk becomes less since you're more confident. Puffs still a low tier, but rest is still frame 2 and if you practice landing rests a lot the risk becomes lower.

[@dr.epicphd5920]

@@FlappyCat-ef6oq rest is still really good in 64, due to the increased hitstun in 64 it has a ton of confirms and kills super early, in ult the risk I'm mostly talking about is if you land it theres still a 33% chance it wont star or screen ko and if your opponent has a fast option you'll get punished for even killing with the move

[@froakie1404]

Bro the editing in this video is absolutely fantastic. Your videos just keep getting better and better

[@marche800]

Given the amount of sheer power a rage Ridley has getting a clutch Skewer in a last stock situation could very well instantly win you the game. Still not recommended in most situations but desperate times sometimes call for desperate measures. That and most big moves don't lead into a tech situation which is unique.

[@Underworlder5]

the way i see it, those big, impractical moves could have an intimidation factor, even in top level play. in stressful situations, they can scare the opponent into making a mistake

[@dddmemaybe]

But forward smash is faster and better lol... It's one of the strongest knockback moves in the whole game.

[@marche800]

@@dddmemaybe Sure but it's harder to cover multiple get up options and at that percent it doesn't really matter.

[@guidomista3570]

Everything but Luigi's down taunt are usually the best options after a shield break. And maybe Ganon up tilt.

[@everyonesaidmynamewasstupi3713]

14:57 i caught that lmao

[@no7412]

18:22 I Can imagine that scythe being a move that cover his front whilst also being a combo move for setups. I think its a good move than ganondorf could have.

[@dabilahror6106]

13:27 *laughs in Hero*

[@Billbobs678]

And Jigglypuff

[@TheAngryGamer360]

Replace warlock punch with a counter that behaves like Jigglypuff rest: Comes out frame one, has 1 Intangability frame and is usually a guaranteed kill move.