The BIG Problem With US Mail Trucks Going Electric

The BIG Problem With US Mail Trucks Going Electric
Upgrading the current fleet of government-owned mail trucks in the United States has caused a long-standing disagreement between President Biden’s administration and the US Postal Service.
There is a consensus from both parties to change these trucks, but the government wants them to be powered by electric. USPS, however, would rather have them powered by good old gasoline fuel.
And from the look of things, we’ve not seen the last of this controversial back and forth just yet.
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The BIG Problem With US Mail Trucks Going Electric
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[@theniceones1613]

As long as they have AC, thats all that is needed

[@42luke93]

They honestly should just do what ford did in the late 1990s. Get the commercial grade ford explorer like you see in medical or police forces (or also the ford e series chassis may work) and then contact Ultimaster to make a mail truck body! Combine two and two, then you have a modern efficient gas mail truck that realistically would work.

[@johnh.9127]

Have you been in one of these vehicles in the heat and humidity, I’m guessing no, then you don’t understand that it has killed and caused some serious health issues for people, it’s the right thing to do, even if it saves one person.

[@fredbecker607]

@@42luke93 that was basically what they did for the second generation of llv's. First gen was chevy s10 base and second was ford running gear.

[@kevinfrance8716]

And heat that actually works

[@42luke93]

@@fredbecker607 Yes that’s what I was referring to.

[@95ffd]

So what politicians own stock in Oshkosh defense???

[@etheangel2220]

DeJoy obviously. That guy has been crooked from the beginning. I mean look who hired him.

[@jgg204]

@@etheangel2220 lol a crook for reigning in the out of control USPS union? give me a break clown

[@PT-ps8zd]

Kind of like the guy who said he would fire him. But lied…. Again.

[@unconventionalideas5683]

@@jgg204 Dejoy was a Trump appointed guy who wanted to prepare to privatize the postal service.

[@unconventionalideas5683]

@@PT-ps8zd Biden tried. He replaced many people on the independent board that fires and hires him. However, to Biden's chagrin, along with everyone else's, they have not fired Dejoy. He really needs to go.

[@gasmanoav]

I didn’t think the postal service could come up with an uglier truck than what they had. I was wrong.

[@unconventionalideas5683]

That's for safety so that if a child runs out in front, they are much less likely to be killed or injured.

[@oldfarthacks]

The design was dictated by the Diversity, equity, and inclusion thing. It has to have the low hood so that a 4" 8" woman can see over the hood, while at the same time has to allow for a 6" 1" man to walk through the back. There are other things included in the DEI mandate that drove the design.

[@timothybuchanan5373]

Our mail and mail carriers need protection from the criminal elements in the United States.

[@trainyourdog7351]

There's 0 room at my station for electric stations in our parking lot.🤷🏽 Honestly I don't give a damn which vehicle it is.. I just want AC it's hot ad hell in Fl!

[@fredbecker607]

But, heat stroke was so much fun. I miss getting to visit with ems.

[@garyradtke3252]

Seems to me that a fleet setup like the Post Office would be better served if changeable batteries where used. Would make for a better way of charging them, eliminate the need for all of the outside charging stations and be able to do a battery replacement out on the rout if needed. The draw back would be the need for more employees to perform the daily battery changes.

[@unconventionalideas5683]

They will just put chargers at the existing parking spaces, which will work just fine.

[@mikeb8436]

Oh great then go for the most expensive and unreliable one and take more tax off your pay check. All good

[@MrLamont1975]

The problem with this electrical, green new deal, pipe dream is it has not been fully thought through. Mostly all the the current Post Office stations have no room to put in charging stations for all electric vehicles. Let alone a suitable power grid to support such a draw on the local power grids where the Post Office/ Stations are currently located. It’s going to take billions of more taxpayer dollars to go all electric.

[@ANTDZLVIZION]

Let's not forget that cold temperatures are hell on batteries. I live in alaska. I'm sure that wouldn't be a fun transition.

[@JaStMc87]

Amazon did it

[@fatlessauto3]

@@JaStMc87 No, amazon didn't, they have a partial roll out in progress, testing the effectiveness of EV's in different climates and conditions. The reason the post office can't do it as easily has a lot to do with laws restricting their gross GDP as well as distance and location issues. There are simply some locations which would not be possible with electric vehicles, be it due to cold or other weather conditions, or just routes that are so long, the batteries would die.

[@holographicfrog1503]

@@fatlessauto3 The smart thing is to test it in different locations. Unlike what is happening here.

[@Gonepostal28]

Postal vehicles need to operate in all climates.. Electric vehicles have problems running and charging in cold weather, and batteries have had a problem becoming combustible when wet, as in driving thru standing water.

[@Jkheretic]

They will need to install charging station at every post office, how will that cost on top of everything else.

[@scenicdriveways6708]

Electric vehicles don't do well in extremely cold climates like Wyoming, Montana, SD, ND etc.

[@unconventionalideas5683]

That's true, but there are ways of circumventing issues with that. You can run battery heaters in the depot, and/or charge them quickly while heating the cabin. Then, through the use of seat heating and steering wheel heat, you can maintain heating and body temps with much less energy and the battery will already be warm enough anyway.

[@ibm_businessman6033]

​@@unconventionalideas5683Not very feasable on a mass scale and many other logistic issues

[@davecolgan442]

@@ibm_businessman6033 Why is it not feasible? There will be problems along the way. We will learn how to solve the problems. Life will not end, there are many interesting problems to solve.

[@b_wellyn]

cant understand why they dont do hybrids

[@ampedampson5140]

over 30% of cars in Norway are electric. They work fine in extreme cold.

[@cameronmccray5963]

Should've just made them hybrids, oh well.

[@fatlessauto3]

Agreed

[@ronfullerton3162]

First few years of production, maybe a combo of all electric, all gas, and some hybrids. Follow closely how each type of unit is operating as far as ease of operation, cost per mile, and mechanical integrity. Then start altering type of units manufactured each year according to past years performance. With hopes of reaching mostly electric with some hybrids. But that will not be done because of the political power struggles. Heaven forbid our politicians would look at making a working change over beneficial for everyone.

[@cameronmccray5963]

@@ronfullerton3162 While that sounds like something a normal company would do, the Postal Service is just going to say "good enough". Hybrids also wouldn't follow Joe Biden's grand plan.

[@ronfullerton3162]

@@cameronmccray5963 So true! It is just so sad that we have idiots running our country that have no concerns for the general good of our country. We can achieve and reach goals we need to obtain in a progressive and reasonable way. Or we can set everything in a tizzy with distraction and road blocks. Most companies, if ran like the government, would not survive long, but internally destruct.

[@zapfanzapfan]

That would have been reasonable, clearly you don't work in government 🙂

[@jebbthetrainkid1281]

These new pieces of Junk are way to low to the Ground. Two inches of snow and they will be stuck and they will bottom out on Rough Rocky Dirt Roads. They may not even be able to cross some RR Crossings or go up steep driveways without the front end hitting. Big FLOP.

[@rockymntain]

The designers seem to have grand ideas about the designs of any postal trucks. The LLV was/is a joke in snowy weather due to the inset alignment of the front steering wheels. When driving in snow, the back wheels do not track in the same track as the front, causing more resistance for the rear 2wd tires. As I understand it, the LLV will never be surplused due to this operational safety consideration. They evidently are sent to a recycler to be destroyed.

[@jebbthetrainkid1281]

@rockymntain Believe me I know. I live in West Virginia and I'm a Retired City Carrier. Even with Chains on the LLVs they would Slide around. Way too Light, especially towards the End of your Route where you lost the Weight of all your Parcels. But at least they had good ground clearance and had a Larger Cargo area for your Parcels unlike these Failures to be do. And you know as well as I do that if people set a little too long in the Air Conditioner to cool off Management will have them unhooked. Management only worries about Numbers not your Health.

[@rockymntain]

@@jebbthetrainkid1281 I agree with what you say about the handling. As a rural carrier, you roll the windows down and let the air in best as can be. The AC thing was something that USPS never installed due to the extra maintenance. Not sure how it will work with the engines always shutting down/restarting. They will most likely be using the new class 2L flammable refrigerants. On the LLV, I believe they put an engine shut off device attached to the seat when the driver got out to save fuel or reduce pollution. Either way, not too sure it really saved much. They probably went thru many flywheels after this mod.

[@cisco1138]

And too tall to go under trees with low branches that current LLVs have no problem clearing.

[@ThePyramidone]

I agree with L. Townsend's assessment below. Also, one of the features of the new vehicle is the low ground clearance, which will negatively impact during snow - wintery conditions. The estimated range for EVs is 70 miles - limiting them to inter-city use. Rural routes and routes that encounter hilly or even mountainous terrain will shorten the range. Other features such as AC/backup cameras, mirrors, and the huge windscreen are needed safety features. De Joy's primary mission is to deliver the mail, by any means necessary not follow "green new deal pipe dreams" that are short-sighted and depend on an already overburdened electrical grid dependent on fossil fuels.

[@unconventionalideas5683]

270 miles is much more typical of modern EVs. 70 mile EVs practically don't exist anymore.

[@TrustedInsaller]

@@unconventionalideas5683 Yeah 70 miles is absolute garbage.

[@RaininMortars]

Those things are too small, there's not enough room for packages and all the other mail. We worked 6 AM to 9 or 10 PM at night during this Christmas season and there's no way they'll be enough charged by the next morning when you come in the next morning... batteries don't do well in the cold so they'll die halfway through the route or won't be warm / charged enough to go out to the street in the morning. Plus they're just plain ugly...a George Jetson vehicle that doesn't fly. Waste of tons of money & time

[@tedwalker1370]

At this time in the development of EVs I would say gas motors are needed where it gets cold. Electric works very well when warm and should be long lasting and more comfortable for the driver.

[@RaininMortars]

@@Martys-4x4 I just got back to our office at 8:30pm yesterday...and we still had 6 carriers still out..

[@Rockstopmotion]

No way your outside at 9pm

[@RaininMortars]

@@Rockstopmotion yep

[@pattycarljackson]

I mean I think the government shouldn’t just force it they should test a few out and see how it goes I mean to say if there aren’t any chargers on this route they’ll use gas but you aren’t going to sit around for a few hours waiting for your mail trucks to charge that’s just ridiculous and gas at point wins because you’re paying employees to wait for a truck to charge instead of being productive.

[@TheHumanNacho]

Mail trucks are the ideal user case for EVs: limited speed, predictable loads, short range, and not rolling 24/7. The administrator must be an adamant petrolhead.

[@rottenamiigo9443]

Upstate NY. There’s not even enough Chargers around to keep the standard EVs charged…

[@unconventionalideas5683]

Yes, but that is easy: every parking space at the postal service will have its own charger. It will not increase space requirements at all.

[@gregorymalchuk272]

And all the electricity comes from enormous natural gas burning power stations in Pennsylvania running on hydraulically fractured shale gas, hydraulic fracturing being illegal in hypocritical New York.

[@42luke93]

Why can't the USPS just get the ford e-series chassis or the commercial grade ford explorers and get Ultimatster to make a body for them. Then you can have a more modern and more efficient gas mail truck. They should do what Ford did in the last 1990's with the Ford Flex Fuel Vehicle (FFV) USPS.

[@johnseavey6622]

Because the big guy and other politicians won't get a big cut. If they go electric stamps will be 1 to 2 dollars each and without enough electricity to charge them there will be no mail delivery. Typical of government has to have something specially made so it costs 4 times as much as what you could buy off the street. Sell the post office to a private company and all problems will be solved, better yet give it away to a private company for the betterment of man kind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@benjaminballard5871]

Ford engines don't last. Went through 3 engines when I worked at USPS. LLV did better.

[@fredbecker607]

That is about what they did with 2nd gen llv.

[@42luke93]

@@fredbecker607 Yep, Exactly what I was alluding to. Can’t just be making a van with a sliding door. USPS wants a custom platform. Ford for chassis and Ultimaster for the body.

[@terrapinflyer273]

407 mail truck caught fire in a matter of 6 yrs? That is a good chunk of time, but that's also a lot of trucks! Who's neglecting basic maintenance? Just because a vehicle is old and has hundreds of thousands of miles doesn't mean it goes up in flames. Don't change the oil, check hoses and fittings, or other maintenance, maybe.

[@bobsmithinson2050]

I read somewhere that it was some wire harness near the firewall that rots out from age or corrosion, causing the wires to contact each other and short out/cause fire. Simply put, even perfectly maintained ones could inherit the issue. You could argue them changing the harnesses, but the amount of labor involved would exceed the value of the vehicles themselves.

[@lucho3410]

Truth is we have our own in-house mechanics. So what u ask? They don't get paid per truck per job. They work hourly. Meaning, they do the bare minimum with poor maintenance which equals to fire hazard vehicles. Basic and easy fixes are weather stripping around hood, doors, and windows which wear out causing water to leak into the fuse box amongst other parts and cause severe damage to the point of becoming fire hazardous. If we contract 3rd party mechanics, these trucks can run for another 10 years (not exaggerating)

[@ronfullerton3162]

Many of the LLV's are over twenty years old with many hard stop and go miles on them. Some of the basic systems are just getting old and tired. Some good mechanics and strict service schedule will help tremendously. I know some USPS locations are not the best on service of their vehicles.

[@fredbecker607]

@@lucho3410 they also are required to do bare minimum on repairs because of cost. Using after market import parts. The engine on my wife's old llv went out. Mechanic was only allowed to work on the one bad cylinder and send it back out,. He wanted to replace engine but was over ruled.

[@fredbecker607]

@@ronfullerton3162 try over 30 years now.

[@randycarter2001]

The USPS is an ideal organization for electrification. Something like 90% of their vehicles leave a depot, drive a moderate distance, then return to the depot. At the depot they sit overnight, ideally charging ready for the next day. You ever look at the back lot of a post office late in the evening?

[@grunyonthoughtsfromagrunt8264]

As a Mailman myself I can tell you electric Mail Trucks very stupid idea. For a plethora of reasons. Now do we need a new Mail Truck yep sure do. And although goofy looking without actually getting to play with it a bit I can't say much but it looks promising.

[@fredbecker607]

Retiree here. My wife had an llv that was built the year she started and still on the road when she retired. I don't miss the llv. It was an improvement over the jeeps and this one looks better than llv.

[@cadenswain158]

@@DACoutBack They aren't cleaner. Lithium batteries are an environmental nightmare. Nor are they safe unless implemented correctly. They can rapidly burst into flames quick enough for the driver to not be able to escape. Also fire departments have a super hard time putting out EV fires. They will burn until there's nothing left despite what firemen do, while also potentially catching nearby houses on fire. Also electric vehicles and legit burst into flames out of nowhere. ICE vehicles always have some outside reason for catching alight. For example, maybe a crash, poor maintenance, or aftermarket parts that weren't installed correctly. Rarely does a ice vehicle burst into flames while sitting in the garage.. Yikes. . . You also don't need a torque monster for delivering mail. Not to mention, batteries will only last so long. They literally have a pre determined amount of charge cycles before the bms will limit range. Its truly shameful that Electric vs ice vehicles have been politicized. With that comes soooo much false information that people use to support their bias. Sadly the clueless of us tend to believe what we see on the news instead of doing our own research for facts. I do believe that electric vehicles have their place in the modern world. However, the technology and especially the infrastructure needs to improve. Imagine trying to drive your tesla during the rolling blackouts cali has every year.......Plus don't force people into electric cars over politics. Give the people a choice in the matter. Please, if you contest, please keep it civil and state your reasonings. We could surely come to an agreement at a point.

[@davecolgan442]

@@cadenswain158 Wow, those were quite a few points. I'll assume you know that there are 140,000 car fires per year in the US. That means over 383 per day. These are figures with 95% ICE population so ICE vehicles do catch fire. In 1980 the national figure was 410,000 per year so things are better. Several studies of EV fires show they ignite less often. The fires are different but I read at least one article that said a gas vehicle fire is just as bad but in different ways, like leaking gas spreading a fire. ICE vehicles do cause fires once they are parked in a house or other places. So far there are many examples of EV batteries lasting many 100s of thousands of miles. This is still an ongoing situation that will show what types of batteries last longer and under what conditions. A company like Redwood Materials is recycling batteries. The number of batteries to be recycled are low because they are still in vehicles that work. You have a choice and will for many years to come. Buy an ICE vehicle if you want but I think in a short time it will become obvious that an EV is a better choice. At some point gas will become hard to find. If that is the future, then making a gas vehicle, that lasts 30 years for the Post Office, seems like a bad choice.

[@TheOneAndOnlyRalph]

De Post Master General MUST GO NOW!!!

[@MJ-ke1hn]

More electric power vehicles would be save for the Environment and Climate Change too

[@ypcomchic]

What about all the current mechanics that usps employs? Are they going to train them to fix the electric ones??

[@maritzafonseca4235]

additional cost to TRAIN. People wanted to defund the police at one time, I rather defund the POST OFFICE.

[@johnnytacosauce]

Post office doesnt recieve tax dollars ​@@maritzafonseca4235

[@davidchurchill1651]

As long as the next generation mail trucks have both AC & AWD for snow days that’s all that is needed

[@backtothebasics9366]

Simply updating to a fuel efficient engine would be ideal. But I see a hybrid doing well in big cities.

[@holographicfrog1503]

Supposedly the LLV's were very efficient.... on 92 gas and not continuously replaced with extremely cheap chinese parts.

[@ronfullerton3162]

@@holographicfrog1503 They were very good at the time they came out. But they have been in service for three decades!. They have a proven track record of running everyday without company shops to attend to every little problem. They were very minimalist also, which has been one of the bigger calls for a replacement. Hopefully the newer version will give us at least a comparable service record.

[@gregorymalchuk272]

​@@ronfullerton3162If they had air conditioning there would be no calls for replacement at all. And air conditioning was a factory option on GM cars with this engine.

[@lelandwood7388]

DeJoy needs to get sacked. One the design of the new postal vehicle is ugly, 2nd I saw someone mentioned how will they drive in snow, yes how will they do in States that get snow and ice, 3rd is will we able to see other vehicles cause in the LLV when you are in the turn lane, you can’t see oncoming vehicles, how do you know if you safe to merge into the other lane without getting hit or the car honks at you for not seeing them

[@fatlessauto3]

I say hybrid

[@ronfullerton3162]

It should be considered and be given a percentage allocation for the earlier years as a backup to the electrics, and service in areas not that well compatible with electric service.

[@markf.]

I think the USPS decision on EV delivery trucks is wrong... They should specify ZERO percent EVs instead!

[@firedriver8367]

When Gov.Grousom calls for a Flex Alert in California when it's 105 degree day and says Don't use your appliance's and Don't charge your Vehicle's then Don't expect Mail . especially if you're waiting on a check or important papers. Stay home and shut Up !!

[@maritzafonseca4235]

I cant believe people still get checks in the mail. Heck, I cant believe mail delivery USPS still exist.

[@davecolgan442]

An EV would be charged the night before when electricity rates are low. Then during the day when everyone is using their AC the trucks are out delivering mail. This is not a problem on 98% of days and will work just fine. You could say the EVs won't work when there is an earthquake but that only happens once in how long? We will adapt to the situation, the sky is not falling.

[@stevematthews684]

Sheesh...ALL the commercial delivery companies use common industry trucks and vans, so why does USPS need a custom built vehicle?

[@nostopit179]

Most of the current LLV’s have been operational since the 70’s or 80’s on a daily basis. That’s not something you can do cheaply without a custom build

[@unconventionalideas5683]

Because they have specific tight turning radius requirements for delivering in Boston's Beacon Hill and Philadelphia Mews, whereas most private delivery companies use bicycles and other conveyances to deliver in those areas instead.

[@tchriscoe100]

most routes are too long for electric as well as not enough time to charge

[@ElCap1van]

What most routes are like 8-10 miles 😂 maybe rural

[@robertstonebreaker8394]

I just want my mail delivered . I don’t care if they use lamas /ostrich’s just keep the mail moving !

[@alexohagan8657]

The u.s electric grid cant power all of those trucks

[@CatMeowMeow]

The us electric grid is long overdue for an upgrade. I hope it comes soon, it's clear that it's already extremely fragile as made clear by the North Carolina power station attacks. It would be great to see mass adoption of ev's become more viable as a result

[@mbox314]

Nothing in government happens without graft. Oshkosh paid off the right people and got the contract.

[@nunya4815]

Spa also wants them to go electric as well as all military vehicles

[@donaldcampbell9219]

I’ve been a letter carrier for 27 years and I have no problem with having an electric delivering vehicle. Seeing how I have to go to the gas station twice a week since I started.

[@WalterKnox]

They have been using the Grumman LLV for over 30 years, they can continue to do so another 30 years. When they go electric, I will not be shipping any more packages for my PC parts business with them.

[@jonathandiaz3366]

lol no one cares bro, change is good

[@maricruzescatel2679]

Need gas has a Rural Carrier we don't have access of electricity on routes or building..

[@linusa2996]

If you have no electricity, how do you sort the mail and process payment?

[@davidfernandez2392]

I remember when I drove the jeep

[@Dallen9]

It's not thought out....Is anything done by Government Bodies in the US thought out? Seriously think about that whether it's the State or the Fed it doesn't matter if it happens and is paid for by the Government then it wasn't thought out and is horribly overpaid and underfunded. And anything that was Thought out was stalled out of relevance. Should the USPS have an all electric fleet? not yet but an all Electric last mile I'd say yes. Now there's a lot of buts on that and in truth this is the sign corruption in the Post office is exposed. But my power grid... the post office being made to handle electric vehicles forces tax payer money to flow into the power grid.... Meaning When it's all said and done the power grid gets better.

[@tangodipsalsadip3257]

DeJoy must GOOO!

[@dyanyeutter8458]

What do you think this is going to cost Usps in California where the price of electricity is the highest in the country. Oh ya and rolling blackouts in the summer. You will show up and your vehicle is only half charged. The heat of the summer will drain the battery’s faster. What a good idea.

[@Jude13able]

If they thought gas fires were bad wait until one of these things catch fire and you won't be able to extinguish it. And wait until they get involved in an accident and they weigh as much as a big truck.....What will that do to a car?

[@scorpion3244]

I think the front bumper of the truck is so unnecessary 😂

[@timothybuchanan5373]

Why has so many all the sudden caught fire does anyone see anything wrong with this the electric is subject to catch fire also.

[@StarFleet_Tech1701]

Atlanta revealed the new EV USPS truck in January 2024. They are FORD EVs.

[@bunsenn5064]

Thankfully only 200 of them will be electric in areas where it’s more doable. The rest will be exclusively gas-fueled.

[@tylerconley9670]

They should explore a hydrogen model…. The byproduct of burning hydrogen is WATER!!! Those new trucks have a pitiful ground clearance, and electric WILL NOT LAST AS LONG AS THEIR CURRENT FLEET

[@lawrencegroves8307]

I forsee possibly mail becoming digitalized; like the currencies. In the meantime, our private mail ought to have top protection so the carriers should be allowed to carry thier own guns. They are federal employees, right?

[@mikemazz66]

The combustion engine will put last the electric motors and the money wasted to replace electric engines in the long run just doesn’t make sense. We’re not there when it come to ev. I see why he would want to go gas

[@2steelshells]

My town loses power weeks at a time.the gen needs are crazy.give me A.C.and gas.waiting 30 years for this.

[@Light23K]

Why would you need chargers on the route? I use 10 miles on my route and even if you use 100 miles on a route the average EV should get you over 150 miles on a single charge. So again why would you need charging stations on a route?

[@ronfullerton3162]

It is not chargers on the routes, but a bank of chargers at the post office to charge them all for rhe next day. Many post offices are not currently in an area with heavy enough infrastructure to support multiple charging units. Either heavier service would need to be ran in, or a new motor facility obtained where there is enough power.

[@alanstansbery]

because the vehicles are only designed to run about 70 miles on a full charge when using the air conditioning/heating!!!

[@johnsouthern6089]

Add AC or Heating in an EV cuts the range down. If it's cold, the batteries also have to heat themselves. There's a lot more than clean energy you have to deal with that wouldn't if they'd just gone like a super small Ford Transit with the steering on the wrong side. It's the government. Someone had a friend with defense and an under the table thing went down. If you ever want to know why Rome failed, it was probably the little things that put it into a position where a big thing toppled the tower.

[@Light23K]

again most routes are like 10 mile drives.

[@SubieLifeG13]

🤦🏽‍♂️man just keep the ProMaster’s and the Metris!

[@justsayingforafriend7010]

Better start buying tires and brakes now!!! It's a cartoon truck.

[@smorris281]

Will someone please tell me why electric vehicles must look like spacecrafts or look like they are from the year 2525? Why can't these electric cars look like modern ones?

[@kennethmccann6402]

These postal managements are not getting though in their brain to wear out batteries quickly will bring twice expensive plus, labors costs to exchange batteries too.

[@Rockstopmotion]

Just reconnect the AC on llv smh wasting all this money

[@cwhaywood7357]

ELECTRIC VEHICLES ONLY

[@39FORTYWATER]

We have to find a way to support our Symbol of the USPS. Go back to horses🏇. Electric is a problem. But ready for the massive switch when not testing has been done. Your clip of the fire vehicle. What about EV FIRES. I do want an electric vehicle but the one I want is steep price tag.... ATLIS XT A\\\V

[@barbaratyrrell3185]

Don’t bother the future of the post office is going down they will be like bed bath and beyond out of business in the near future 👍😊

[@orangecookie3132]

The main problem is only 9mpg

[@beastmodetruelife1083]

They could just do hybrid toyotas or whatever

[@homegrown6289]

Have they been crash tested, they dont look safe.

[@uneasingcoma5652]

they should go hybrid

[@1313gia]

Why not just go hydrogen combustion, award the contract to Toyota

[@blankslate1198]

Too bad the background music is way too loud. I would have liked to learn this story, but... can't hear it. Bye.

[@BargSlarg]

Did I just watch a 7 minute vehicle for 5 seconds of information? Man I hate this channel

[@larrymoore6640]

If all of them are electric they will have to upgrade each facility for chargers including street transformers. The local electric companies probably can't supply all needed for them and the public. Washington didn't think again.

[@unconventionalideas5683]

Washington _has_ thought that part through. But convincing the public that they have is not as straightforward. The local electric companies typically have spare capacity because the local public have been using less electricity over time.

[@david9192]

All electric the post master must resign!

[@torquebird5130]

Electric vehicles are no better than gas when it comes to the enviroment

[@pilotdrift05]

How many ev are going to catch fire ? lol

[@davidquijas8099]

Ill stick with my 2ton

[@geoffstone9555]

Why not try hybrid motors?

[@hfarms5779]

One of the smartest guys in the room, Jeff Bezos of Amazon is planning an electric fleet. The most wear and tear on the engine, fuel consumption, and brake wear happens with the starts and stops. The lower maintenance, regenerative braking plus solar energy will pay off in the long run. This prototype can't be the final truck. Any fleet owner much less the Federal government would want to pay thousands of dollars to replace that huge windshield. The final design needs to be done by an industrial design firm.

[@zapfanzapfan]

The real crime is how ugly that design is. Just buy the same electric vans Rivian is building for Amazon's deliveries, job done!

[@rockymntain]

The new Rivian vans for amazon are huge. Maybe too big for a city delivery route.

[@zapfanzapfan]

@@rockymntain Yeah, but they are built segmented so you can delete one segment or two for a smaller vehicle. The panels on the sides indicate the segments. From what I remember they are also planned from the beginning for two different widths.

[@alwalker9648]

The US power grid cannot handle the electric vehicles we have now. They should go hybrid or diesel. We need vehicles NOW!!! We’re driving trucks built in 1989 and 2000.

[@MrNmnm2211]

Good video other than your left wing bias

[@vincialino]

Nice revelation!

[@johnpendzich4286]

Louis Dejoy should resin or be sacked.

[@SharonRaabe]

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[@valdiswallace830]

They could do hydrogen fuel cars

[@ywc99411]

You can hardly find a hydrogen refueling station in California already. How can you expect the whole fleet to use hydrogen?

[@42luke93]

@@ywc99411 It's unrealistic this electric vehicle stuff in the present. The USPS should just ask ford to do what they did in the late 1990s with the Ford FFV mail trucks (which used the Ford Explorer chassis and Ultimaster body).

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[@edwardharvey7687]

I think the mail trucks should be all electric. I also think that Dejoy should be replaced and investigated for corruption.

[@asrr62]

Be real workhorse your truck was a bad design.

[@RobertCallahan-m9e]

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[@l.ls.8890]

The current administration has strong armed the postal service into getting many EV's. It will be interesting to see the cost and also the long term maintenance of the batteries as they wear out in future. Also what about using these vehicles in the cold states of the northeast, midwest and northwest

[@maritzafonseca4235]

Bidens industrial funds for his election could work better

[@jeffoldknow]

I am a postman and if you think you're gonna go electric you're dreaming fairy dust and unicorn farts

[@Mark3nd]

Those trucks dont look protective and survivable!

[@RichardKing-sx6xc]

😂😆😅🤣

[@deanmeyer1815]

When the presidential motorcade and all secret service vehicles are battery powered, then I will consider owning one. Biden and the tree huggers should lead by example.

[@scubatrucker6806]

More EV trucks . Also have charging stations at their depot.

[@barbaratyrrell3185]

They don’t care about what you think all they want is to get the snail mail out the don’t care about your health or safety I still won’t support them by not sending any mail out paying my bills on my computer 😊

[@maritzafonseca4235]

That next generation delivery vehicle does not deem to be a next generation, it looks worse than the original historic US Postal Service truck. Where does the conspiracy lay here? the court found five cause of action against USPS, for capricious behavior and un compliance to the duty of National Environmental Protection Agency. USPS enter into an agreement with OSHKHOSH Defense, who is the owner? undermining NEPA Postal Service paid 482 million in advance which help OSHKHOSH to open a manufacturing company in S Dakota. The court rule that the USPTS pay for all the expenses of the plaintiffs attorney fees. And order USPS to vacate the contract until revise by the court. Suppose USPS goes bankrupt? Politicly, let's face it; voting ballots and political propaganda is the majority of revenue during elections, what about the useless tons of paper delivered to your door is that not considered pollution?. The USPS delivers medications but who pays for the postage? of course health insurance, county hospitals. I am sure they come up with a process to deliver. We must innovate and not be afraid of new processes. have you seeing a Happy postal worker? USPS is always hiring , the benefits are not what they used to offer, in San Jose CA. the hourly paid rate to entry level postal worker's is below minimum wage. USPTS reminds me of another giant taking us for a ride, giant monopoly PGE in Ca. Back to USPS, final question; is USPTS even worth keeping? I like to see if you haven't Motordeck, make a video about PGE and i'ts monopoly. Thank you

[@Mantaracer]

EV is the right choice for USPS!

[@jwhite601]

ev vehicles cost more greenhouse gasses ...facts

[@nostopit179]

Not over time though

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[@AI_hub63]

Nice revelation!

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