The biggest lesson I learned playing Wuthering Waves

[@vstampde8066]

Instead hating those haters i feel sorry for them , imagine supporting a game that doesn't care about them 😢

[@MagisterialVoyager]

😢😢😢

[@RaezekenOG]

trueee

[@GeshuLin_WW]

Amen 🙏🏻

[@Neonxvicky111]

So true

[@shudere]

i've been telling people that genshin players are suffering rom stockholm syndrome

[@ffcmobilelegends2825]

Totally agreed, Wuwas generosity and listening to a players feedback feels sooo refreshing that it made me appreciate them, hope they'll keep cooking!

[@glare_0062]

I hope so too :3

[@MK3-C]

And hope of not overcook because disease always out there even we are immune... well that is trickery of a disease... lets just let them watchout

[@eddieboston6540]

WUWA isn't generous compensation isn't a reward which most of the pulls are. Every week something is wrong with the game. Wuwa devs are listening because the game isn't doing well. The new update was worse the the last on

[@MK3-C]

@@eddieboston6540 well its your view I dont mind as long as they could keep up with the game anyways

[@RebrandingChannels]

@@eddieboston6540 This statement is actually both incredibly stupid and completely inaccurate. "something is wrong with the game"... At least they actually don't spend an entire year or more to fix bugs like Genshin does. The game is doing incredibly well. If you are believing the revenue reports on those shitty gacha tracking websites, then you're the same person who would believe the world would end tomorrow because of aliens if your favorite person would tweet about it. No matter how much you base your life around Genshin Impact, it doesn't mean you can disregard facts. I think you might need to go back to preschool and learn that the world doesn't revolve around things you like.

[@StylishGrimm]

in wuwa, i want to spending money to help the devs because they are doing a great job, just like nikke devs

[@yusufozturk962]

Me too. I actually spend one time. But when I got a change I will do it again

[@havoc-k107]

F2P other gacha games: I didnt get the character, i am swiping WUWA : i am swiping because i want support the dev

[@Eseree]

Aaahhhh the good ol' meme, lmao this reminded me of the old meme around pgr before

[@eddieboston6540]

That's stupid WUWA is a gacha game and by the still falling revenue no people care about characters not the devs.

[@alishashane2023]

True. Compared to other games that hook you to spend and spend more money just to complete the never ending Ideal Optimal Teamcomps, Wuthering Waves gives you the freedom to choose any characters you want without requiring you specific character & Teamcomps you NEED to buy from the limited banner. Adding to that their Gacha system of very low Gacha Rate 80 pity only, 100% limited Weapon Banner, 2 Free Constellations from shop and Lots of rewards and astrites, the Gacha addiction is kept regulated here compared to other games that makes people crazy and affects their Mental Health due to Money invested on their game and can't get out of it anymore due to sunk cost fallacy or just being truly Gacha addicted to spend & spend money due to FOMO (Fear Of Missing Out).

[@glare_0062]

Thats so true and i 100% agree with you, and the fact that some people can overcome that is truly amazing. Wuthering waves also made it easier for us to not go into that spiral due to how the game works but just seeing also how people can go into that spiral from other gacha game is concerning… so i wanted to make that video to preach the lesson I learned ❤️

[@MagisterialVoyager]

Some companies _do_ exploit our human weaknesses. It's not a healthy practice, but I suppose some people do sell their soul for... money? I'm relieved that at least such isn't the case here, with so much help to achieve optimum meta game playing with less incentive to spend. I respect Kuro Games for that.

[@lesath7883]

It is awesome that WuWa has a disclaimer on every purchase screen: Please spend responsibly. Gachas don't do that. And that is why I spend, responsibly, on WuWa.

[@yusufozturk962]

I was very surprised when I saw that article. Other games are constantly trying to milk you. But Wuwa, on the contrary, also cares about its players. Just like they say, "Love your game, love your players, love your team."

[@marlowe3363]

🤓👆Actually, HSR had that disclaimer too

[@lesath7883]

@@marlowe3363 The past tense is not lost on me.

[@inser3882]

wuwa so good its teaching people life lessons now

[@MagisterialVoyager]

Jokes aside, Kuro Games _did_ say that they want to write story about suffering, which is an integral part of human condition, and I truly respect them for that. But, yes, life lessons are life lesson-ing here, hahaha.

[@eddieboston6540]

​@@MagisterialVoyagerwell they need writing lessons because nothing they wrote has been good.

[@MagisterialVoyager]

@@eddieboston6540 I merely shared an information about their narrative approach from official source. I didn't even say that their writing has been "good". "Good" is extremely relative. What's not good, though, is going around comment section being negative. Do you know that everyone can publicly see the comments you leave in every channel? If you genuinely believe that Kuro Games need to write a better narrative, suggest that in the feedback at every patch and know that that is all one can do.

[@ggrimmfield5529]

A remember a comment recently about someone who have a friend who used to spend 2k $ for every banner on Genshin but when they tried wuwa, wuwa actually kinda forced them to just spend 700+$ and they already got the character all the way to max Sequence, including pulling their Sig-wep. I'm F2P so hearing this makes me wonder if i ever start spending on wuwa, i may not going to worry about spending without worrying i will not gonna get the things i wanted. Even as a f2p I'm already drowning of characters and already got the things i wanted, I'm basically just here playing doing my stuff after a long day of work.

[@Saberdud]

yo what kinda job your friend has to be spending 2,000 USD in every banner in this economy

[@ggrimmfield5529]

@@Saberdud nah that's just a commenter's friend i saw recently. Maybe they only do it on banners they only interested with 🤔 But imagining 2k in one go freakin insane to me ngl

[@silverhairedsamurai27]

@@ggrimmfield5529 If not for content creation, that's a rediculous amount to spend in a game considering you don't need 2k$ to c6. For r5 that's a different story though. About spending in wuwa, I personally wouldn't if I have plenty of characters I need and stay f2p, spending only for a character I really want.

[@Fxrrxt2x]

It was really around the time of ZZZ Zhu Yuan's banner and Changli's banner where I really fully realized this. I grinded so hard in ZZZ for Zhu Yuan, skipped Ellen just for her, only to end up losing the 50/50 and still not having enough currency to earn Zhu Yuan. I couldn't even think about going for her weapon. I was very disappointed because she was the character that really drew me to the game to begin with. And I was also never able to get a single standard banner character I actually wanted either, where as in WuWa, they just let me choose a few standard banner characters right at the very beginning, making the gameplay way more enjoyable letting me be characters I liked. So, I was playing for almost 2 months without a character in ZZZ that I actually liked and was sick of it. But in WuWa... Changli and her weapon dropped very early on at the perfect time when I was feeling bummed out. I uninstalled ZZZ and another gacha game that same night, not wanting to deal with a gacha that has zero respect for its players time and money. For me, I realized that it was never actually Wuthering Waves versus Genshin Impact, it was actually Wuthering Waves versus Zenless Zone Zero.

[@Tsukio2024]

Same experience here. Already stopped spending money on other Popular Gacha Games after playing Wuthering Waves and it's a refreshing feeling NGL 😊

[@glare_0062]

Ikkkk it feels like uve been sober from a really bad addiction and its so relaxing

[@nyuuh]

@@glare_0062 🤣🤣🤣

[@Tsukio2024]

​@@glare_0062 ikr it's just very good to not fomo anymore 😊

[@eddieboston6540]

​@@glare_0062WUWA is just subpar genshin. My guy your praising a gacha game the devs of these types of games will say anything to get your money. The fact you think wuwa is any different is just proof Kuro got you.

[@YosepRA]

As someone who have developed a habit of saving since little, it's really easy for me to breeze through the FOMO of gacha games. That results in decisions of pulling only for characters that I genuinely love, regardless of them being meta or not. At the time of writing, it's the Shorekeeper patch. I do think that she is lovely with very helpful skills, and had it been any other game, I would've pulled for her. But my eyes are locked onto Camellya solely because she reminds me of Tokisaki Kurumi from Date a Live. These decisions make me enjoy gacha games a lot. I never had problem with not being able to pull for characters that I truly like because I often always have enough resources for full guarantee pulls even when I'm F2P. Basically, I'm saying that I'm gambling resistant person. 🤣

[@BabaYaga0713]

Always be aware of what you are playing and spending in, from the bigger picture. The game is a tool to make money, as good as WW is comparably that’s still a fact Be aware of the tactics employed and be aware of the consequences of your own financial decisions, then you can find a balance that you’re happy with. I’m always happy to invest and support something I enjoy, within my limits and benefits to cost ratio

[@kyurem7357]

Its easy to be f2p for me giving that the economy in my country is so garbage that spending money on a gatcha game isn't an option

[@glare_0062]

Exactly and thats what amazing about wuwa?

[@yusufozturk962]

That's why I always support this game. Peak Kuro

[@cephquepheas]

100% agree, as a F2P+ Player myself. I used to spend considerably. It wasnt out of any sense of necessity, more so just convenience due to the fact I work full time and am not able to play more than an hour or two in my free time. Also, I never spent myself into any sort of financial instability as I have enough self control for that. I also would say I do not regret it, considering I always had fun, however I do genuinely appreciate just how F2P friendly WuWa is. So much so in fact that I often will be astonished at just how much of the premium currency I have by simply PLAYING THE GAME. Every other gacha I've played feels like a long drawn out slog. Not so with WuWa. Because of these factors I find myself, similar to yourself, building the habit of not worrying about spending and being content to simply play the game.

[@Aasta_raLuck]

Just starting from these videos talking about not spending on Wuwa but for me playing all other gacha games before Wuwa was released and I never spend anything on it and then when Wuwa was released was the time I started spending

[@yuberry3509]

Dude, i always REFUSE to spend on Genshin, i think (only in my case, not other people) it's humiliating to spend just bc i want a character, i farmed 162 pulls for Furina because i REALLY refuse to spend ANY MONEY in this game. I play WW since it's release and i'm having SO MUCH fun, one month ago, i also downloaded Punishing:Gray raven, and god, is such a AWESOME game, and both of them are A LOT F2P, there's so many fun and beautiful things in this games of Kuro, that made me want to spend on them, not because i want a character because of meta or because i ONLY want a character, it's because this games are SO amazing, SO fun, SO beautiful that...i felt enchanted by them, i want to help the devs, i want to compensate them for the incredible and hard work that they've been doing in both of their games, this feeling is just so good! When i earn money, i'll totally spend in one of them, or in both. Thank you Kuro for your loveable and incredible work in both of your games!

[@eddieboston6540]

You failed you got played liked a fool the moment you spend money in a gacha game it's game over. Congratulations you played yourself

[@yuberry3509]

@@eddieboston6540 Well, i'm not gonna spend A LOT, just what i can, and at least is a incredible gacha game, the devs of kuro games deserve this money, even if it's just a little because I don't have that much, i can see the love and the effort they put into this game, and the great effort they make to really listen to the players, so, yeah, I'm going to spend, at least a little, on this gacha, I just won't spend like crazy, i know my limits.

[@XxMvpKostxX]

Ehhh we PGR player eat this good from long time a go while watching genshin player seething and caught an illness called cost sink fallocy...

[@eddieboston6540]

So people liking a game is bad when it's hoyoverse but not Kuro ok. Every gacha game has cost sink fallacy when you spend money last I checked PGR and WUWA doesn't give everything away

[@nuzultinriani5318]

@@eddieboston6540 sir he never mention about ppl liking hoyo game is bad calm down also i got his point its like ppl love 1 game and then thereis new game that much much better they refuse to move there must be something off.. and i see majority of ppl like that expecially in the discord server theyre all acknowledge that its better but refuse to move because they allready invest too much on it secondly yes of course wuwa and pgr doesnt give anything away for FREE its a gacha game they need money to continue, but they do it right.. they acknowledge what player want and less predatory.. like PGR generousity is almost crim i wonder where they got money to support the game, while hoyo... if they rly care about player they dun have to make the CEO goes into stage and crying or even waiting to get review bombed on googleplaystore to fix the anniversary reward they rly kinda like ubisoft at this point on AC shadow and Outlaw

[@toragon2736]

Which game then gives everything free? Huh As a victim of genshin sunk cost fallacy I'm finally free from these shackles

[@nuzultinriani5318]

@@eddieboston6540 he never said anything about liking hoyo is bad bro calm down secondly yes even wuwa and pgr doesnt give anything for free like that its a gacha games duh... they need money to keep update coming and server goin.. but they doin it right listening to player feed back etc. unlike a certain company that listen to player after being review bombed & bad anniversary reward tho...

[@silverhairedsamurai27]

First of all, great video. You described how I felt when I first played Genshin (my first gacha). I felt so sad losing 50/50 the first time on the character I most wanted but I never gave in to temptations cause I knew it was another marketing tactic by another business. I played that game for two years f2p and now I'm in Wuwa. Best thing about both games is that you don't need the latest or the best characters to play the game. There's no powercreep. Just be consistent and manage resources. Pick the favourite characters and pull accordingly. If lost the 50/50, no worries. The characters don't go anywhere. They always rerun. This is something everyone should think about before swiping for a video game. Especially gacha. Thank you. Been so long since I heard something relatable in this game community.

[@glare_0062]

Im glad u enjoyed the video ❤️❤️ glad i was able to resonate with someone :3

[@vikramveer3771]

When I spend in wuwa, I feel satisfied. When I even think about paying other games, it feels awful.

[@eddieboston6540]

Your a fool spending money in a free game

[@KudaGeatsune3821]

Wuwa is the very kind of game i want to see more of It has a focus & vision that is both worth supporting But not predatory And the focus is player enjoyment before it is money which i love

[@darkrom8439]

I only ever bought the monthly thing from wuwa, not even because I felt like I need it, but because I wann support kuro games. I dont care if they need the money or not, theyre doing such a good job at listening to the community and even if its just a small amount of money I still want to show them my gratitude

[@DisIngRaM]

On Wuwa store, there is a reminder from the dev "Please spend responsibly" You can tell how they care, unlike any other gacha games

[@hentikirby7142]

Always weigh the cons first. Dont even think about the pros. There is no pros when spending money on a free game.

[@begginerm9339]

Honestly true, its the sig and the sequence that are just soooo good, S1 jishi gives u 100k more damage, S1 xiangli yao gives him more damage, S2 changli and shorekeeper gives a massive stat upgrade

[@csabaszep8162]

The sad thing about this is, this should be the baseline when it comes to weighing what one can afford to spend on stuff one doesn't need. Obviously, we all should be able to spend some money on entertainment but it's the core of what it means to be a responsible adult human being to know the limits of your spending.

[@ImproperStandby]

The last big amount of spending that I did in any gacha game was in Arknights and while I have fairly decent units after, I feel that I don't need to spend money on any gacha game. At least if I do then I do it in small short bursts, these games prey on FOMO and it's up to you to control that desire.

[@lucasteo5015]

When people ask for tip I never tip, thus this is the kind of game you should tip. I've spent roughly 40 US dollar since launch to support this game which I genuinely enjoy. Infact this is probably the most amount of money I ever spent on micro transactions, most of the time buying a game alone cost more than this.

[@MagisterialVoyager]

I'm not surprised at all that you arrived at this conclusion, Glare. Considering Kuro Games', the Wuthering Waves' developer company, approach is to also love their players (beside loving the game and themselves), their limited Resonators obtaining scheme, for example, don't feel financially "grubby", as in the company just want our money and it pretty much ends there. Great video; great idea and execution. (❁´◡`❁)b

[@glare_0062]

thank you so much it really means alot

[@PaulMiskimmon]

Wuthering waves actually doesn't even feel like a gacha game compared to others, and it feels so refreshing

[@mr.edelweiss]

Wuthering Waves doesn't feel like a gacha game but Punishing Gray Raven doesn't even consider a gacha game at this point, they just care about players instead of NUMBERS BRS x PGR IS GOING TO BE LIT 🔥🔥 SSS+ RANK for BRS

[@PaulMiskimmon]

@@mr.edelweiss pfft at this point pgr is AA game lol

[@eddieboston6540]

​@@PaulMiskimmonoh so they removed the gacha system if not stop lying

[@eddieboston6540]

​@@mr.edelweissthat's a lie if money starts to drop stuff gets cut Kuro is doing this for free PGR and WUWA cost money to run

[@PaulMiskimmon]

@@eddieboston6540 idiot

[@ROMVS]

This is a good lesson but also not complaining if you are f2p to get everything you want for free is another thing. Acceptance is important. Me I budget and no longer spend much on Hoyo games and instead spend on wuwa as it is more affordable and generous.

[@eggshell7476]

Aha! I thought I'm the only one saving. This is my first gacha where I save banner currency

[@GldenRetriever]

Proud of you.

[@glare_0062]

thanks

[@ender8995]

I came from Genshin impact and played everyday since day 1 since it’s release but after waiting for Wuwa it’s so much more satisfying than Genshin I just log in to Genshin for gems and story 😂

[@cypureisreallybusy]

i would recommend you to try PGR the kuros other game which is extremely f2p and literally gives you premium characters for free. at this point its like only spend money if you love the company not because you have to.

[@Lindy-nw9rd]

I learnwd you dont have to settle for scraps because theres other gachas like LnDS and WW that genuinely care about their players amd actively show it

[@eddieboston6540]

Care is not rushing out a unfinished game because your afraid and everything in WUWA is subpar to ass. It wasn't made out of love but money Kuro has always done this. They piggy back off of hoyoverse all Kuro games are just hoyo game clones because hoyoverse had the guts to do something that could fail.

[@nvmage]

I like Wuthering Waves because of Honkai Impact 3rd, but I don't understand why

[@glare_0062]

im pretty sure its because of the combat as it has the same way of fighting. But honkai is way less f2p friendly for sure

[@av3_ren]

maybe because the combat is similar? i haven’t play hi3 as much but it’s very good at creating enjoyable combat gameplay!

[@shian4803]

Maybe because of fast combat and how expressive wuwa characters can be like Honkai Impact 3rd characters, which is good thing and I like that

[@nvmage]

I think it is also a feeling of perfect evasion.

[@markleebatiquin9179]

I agree with your video. Is it a lesson to anyone 👍😊 I'm also avoiding spending any of the gatcha games it's not helping you long run, only your mind

[@johnathongreen6227]

I kinda feel the same.

[@glare_0062]

Im glad you feel that too ❤️

[@MK3-C]

I buy battlepass sometimes because... well those weapon on there is unique

[@eddieboston6540]

All are ass just get a five star

[@starpixel3998]

can explain the practices that gacha games use to get players to spend money on their game?

[@devinroi3886]

The more cartoony and cute the character looks the bigger ther revenue

[@MauveButterfly]

FOMO (fear of missing out) is the big one. Lots of things are time-limited, including character banners. Want that character? You only have a few weeks to get it, and who knows when that character will get a rerun. Insufficient resources and time-gated grinding also serve to get people coming to the game every day, and while this does mean that a free-to-play player will be able to get what they want eventually, you can pay for convenience to have what you want sooner. This creates a sense of investment in your account and builds "the sunken cost fallacy" in players. The gacha system itself being built on chance means that you don't know how much more you need to spend to get a character. If there's a pity system, then you'll know that you are always making progress towards that character, but you don't know how much more progress you need. (Assuming worst case scenario is the strategy players have adopted to try and deal with this.) This means that if you want a character and have started using pulls on it, there's a feeling that there's only a little bit further to go, so you might as well just finish it up and get the character. Shop refreshes are another strategy: the first time you buy something you get a bonus, and the shop will periodically refresh these bonuses, so if you haven't bought it yet but might buy in the future, you need to buy it before it refreshes, or you wasted the bonus. There's also a culture of "simping for your favourites" which might not be the fault of the gacha companies, although I wouldn't be surprised if they had a hand in pushing content creators to encourage this behaviour. Do you really love your favourite character if you haven't bought them enough times to fully unlock all their potential? Are you a [insert character here]-main if you don't have the character's signature weapon? Companies can also lock important features behind these duplicates, which feeds back into FOMO. Just some thoughts and observations as a relative newcomer to gacha.

[@Gheniel_]

​@@MauveButterfly You got it really well for a newcomer 👍🏼

[@MagisterialVoyager]

@@MauveButterfly One of the worst case of "simping culture" I've seen is someone saying that they wished a certain redheaded villain man character would just die so they can stop supporting the game and the company. They cannot do so because they're too attached to that character. I wish I was joking.

[@eddieboston6540]

​@@devinroi3886this is a lie multiple games fit this description and aren't doing well if not shut down. Spending money on a gacha game is dumb but if you think the game is doing what you want fine. WUWA and genshin are free games held up by lite spenders whale don't spend the most. You can tell which side spend more base off the content in the game. Both WUWA and genshin are carried by casual players buying the battle pass with lite spending like maybe 20 to 50 dollars

[@MagisterialVoyager]

❤❤❤

[@damianxi4133]

it's not just wuwa. Alot of gacha outside of mihoyo is very free to play friendly. Arknights is very skill dependent and spending more gets rid of the fun of the game. Limbus is a gacha that doesn't know how to gacha and players can just grind MD to get all characters at any times minus WildP. Azure lane players have way too many cubes to pull on all ch with no problems. Princonnect, no one is pulling until pinfest comes. GFL just require players to grind their asses to get eventually get their pulls. Nikke has a 4% base drop and you get a 10 pull every 2 weeks Hoyo is really what happen when a greedy company gotten a hand on a large player base that have crippling sunk cost fallacy because it's their first gacha experience. Starrail where teams gets powercreeped every banner, ZZZ where you need teams in the same faction another element unless you can't bring out the character full potential. Genshin with it's previous shitty weapon banner and the popularization of the shitty artifact system.

[@dalhaval283]

too bad, those brainrot people think that more revenue, the better the game, its as if that money is theirs to get

[@hardrianoputra9318]

Don't spend money for a game if you broke

[@exvex5108]

Its never worth spending $$ on those games. Well with one exeption.... iF you get those $$$ in 1 day.

[@EnjoyGengar]

Why do you care if people want to buy shit and eat it. Let em do it LUL.

[@Jurgir09]

I see Cringetone mentioned - i press dislike and "never recommend channel again"