The Biggest Lie About Veganism

Are vegans less healthy than meat eaters? And is veganism really that much better for the environment and planet?
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[@pkmuhammedhisan]

The hardest part of being a vegan is to get up at 5 in the morning and milk the almonds.

[@johnrice1943]

Lol

[@pkmuhammedhisan]

@@johnrice1943 I'm glad you got the joke..the previous guy didn't.

[@vidyutdevam9204]

@@pkmuhammedhisan how can you assume he is a previous guy. He could be a guy girl or any other combination of it. Should just use the word 'previous person'

[@pkmuhammedhisan]

@@vidyutdevam9204 lol 😂 sorry..my mistake

[@leetat.t8093]

You know you can milk trans cows right They feel like vegetables so vegans can eat them.

[@PabloPerroPerro]

Going vegan for "sympathy for the animals" sounds like really downplaying what animals go through. I think "sparing them of a life of pure misery" is a bit more accurate.

[@DLD1057]

See that’s why people don’t want to become vegans, you try to hold a moral high ground and it belittles those who eat meat. You have to come in with an open mind and understand what you ask of them is a 180 of what they eat. I’ve met many who were off put about becoming vegans simply because whenever they spoke to one and genuinely ask questions they were met underhanded insults and showboating what they are saving the planet.

[@tombradshaw1378]

@@DLD1057 if you don't want us to act this way stop torturing them. Don't try and blame vegans for you not going vegan because they refuse to downplay literally killing billions of baby animals every year. Grow up and take some responsibility at the very least.

[@DeezNutsAreSoft]

​@@tombradshaw1378 ribeye be too damn good

[@TheBigSturgeski]

​@@DLD1057 same goes the other way tbh, vegans get tarnished and insulted all the time by meat eaters. Check the comments, there's a reality to the meat industry that it's killing the planet and millions of animals are abused because of it. I'm not vegan btw

[@tombradshaw1378]

@@DeezNutsAreSoft I'm not going to waste my time arguing with someone willing to put their own personal pleasures above moral integrity, so instead I'll just leave you here on display as what you really are. I don't have the time to debunk the arguments of someone who would, based off this comment, likely lose a debate against a toddler.

[@KlammBand]

About B12: I've read that industrial livestock gets B12 supplements as well. Because of their kind of "junk food" diet, they don't ingest the bacteria from the ground, that produce B12. So if you eat this kind of meat, effectively you're on B12 supplements as well.

[@topiasperamaki]

90% of B12 supplements go to livestock :)

[@meganturnbullx]

yep, animals don't produce b12 themselves. b12 is produced by bacteria but modern humans wash almost all plant produce and santise drinking water so we don't get much from these sources anymore (a net positive for disease control, but not ideal for b12 intake, thankfully we have learned to extract it synthetically). very suprised the video didn't mention this.

[@aininja8169]

Right i kinda think the video isnt that well researched and there are a lot of arguements that are easilyyy debunkable i kinda just kinda think this is fear mongering

[@vixxcelacea2778]

This isn't entirely correct. Devil is in the details, which is that B12 is synthesized in animal tissue via getting a certain kind of bacteria in. I've heard many wild ideas about how we depleted B12 and it naturally came from the soil and that it's a big meat industry lie that we need meat to get it. But this one is untrue. We can make synthesized lab versions of B12, which most vegans aware of this issue tend to opt for. I very much dislike that vegan and vegetarian have lots of decent reasons to be healthy viable options, provided research is done into how to do it right, yet there is so much defaulting to misinformation and grasping and straws in order to encourage more of it. It's not cool. Not that you're doing that specifically, but that information isn't correct. Animals do get supplements if their diet isn't what they evolved to cope with. So animals that eat over sterilized food aren't getting the bacteria in to have their body synthesize the vitamin. I can gather that they're given a supplement to combat that, but it would be the bacteria needed for it. The consumption of an animal product, insect, milk, meat etc, is how to get B12 in unless it's synthesized in a lab. Eating wild, farm raised and not industry sterilized would mean the B12 is "naturally" acquired. Not that it should matter. Appeal to nature is a massive fallacy people need to stop falling into.

[@GaryHighFruit]

@@aininja8169 "the video isnt that well researched" That's true for all the anti-vegan videos. Real research would create an inner ethical conundrum.

[@dariobalado4054]

Chimps hunt smaller primates and eat meat when they can. Gorillas frequently eat termites and other insects.

[@veganvaudeville309]

That's true. Humans are moral agents and understand the difference between right and wrong though, we have a choice.

[@SIRslipperyasp91]

​@@veganvaudeville309we can have an ethical conversation about what's right and wrong about eating animals, but that's a fundamentally different conversation then if it's "better for you" or if we're "not designed" to do it. Also trying to equivocate all living animals and insitsting we imbue them with at least some of our fundamental human rights seems like a big sell. Convincing someone that eating Chimps is bad because they have feelings and don't consent to being eaten is very different then saying the same thing about ants. Just my two cents. If veganism works for you, if it's a dietary choice that supports your health, and if it clears your conscious then good for you bro, I'm glad you've made a positive change in your life.

[@SteversChed]

@@veganvaudeville309 You use animal products just like everyone else here. So much for your choice. Why do you use animal products NEEDLESSLY while only pretending to be against it it? Don't ignore the 'needlessly' this time.

[@ignacioa1638]

Gorillas, chimps, spend most of the day chewing leafs and grasses. On top of that, look at their prominent bellies: their cecum is huge while compared to humans, they need that to be able to ferment plants so gut bacteria produces the fatty acids they need for energy. Once humans started consuming nutrient dense animal foods they were able to have more time to do things besides chewing and grew bigger brains

[@Heaven-dy9lj]

True. It's interesting to note the difference between the Chimp and Gorrillas digestive system. The Gorillas stomach is much longer, than a Chimps and ours, to manage a high plant based diet. The Chimps digestive system is much shorter, almost as short as ours, inclined for a meat plant based ratio. True as you say Chimps will eat meat, where as Gorilla's eat insects at most.

[@KlumpeliI]

In connection with calcium absorption, you did not mention vitamin D, which is important in this process. This may explain why Nordic countries may suffer from osteoporosis due to lack of sun in winter (and this is a minor problem in West Africa, so maybe that's one reason they have healthy bones.) The health of bones should not be reduced to calcium. Other vitamins, minerals, physical activity also come into play

[@77moonwalker77]

that's why there's added vitamin C in milk in finland at least

[@David-jx4gw]

@@77moonwalker77 do you mean vitamin D. Ascorbic acid (vitamin C) would curdle milk.

[@KlumpeliI]

@@77moonwalker77 It's interesting, was it the government or was it the dairies that introduced it? (assuming you meant vitamin D) How much is in per ml? Arla launched it once in Denmark, but it's not popular. However, the Danish Veterinary and Food Administration recommends everyone to take vitamin D during the winter season

[@sequoiasaunders1206]

Oooh touché

[@user-245er4ud]

Vitamin D from the sun and Mushrooms produce Vitamin D too.

[@Masala_Pizzaa]

I think a lot of western vegans could benefit from trying foods from tropical and sub-tropical countries. I had a white vegan roommate who consistently ate mock-meat (not because he loved it's taste or anything) along with a plethora of supplements. I used to feel bad and often shared my south Asian food which he really loved. I never even realised that i actually have a lot of vegan meals throughout the week (i eat chicken and fish, rarely red meat), so I was glad to share a variety of vegetables like okra, different varieties of lentils and various flavour profiles in general. Now that i am back in my country, i notice myself unconsciously eating a huge variety of fruits and vegetables. Vegans in the West should really go to Asian and African stores to diversify their nutrition intake more. There's no reason that vegan food has to mimic textures or tastes of meat.

[@Im-BAD-at-satire]

I don't live a vegan lifestyle, and in my current life situation that is unviable due to external factors, but I want to try those Asian vegetable meals. I always heard that Asian countries do a better job at making vegan foods in comparison to the frankly uneventful vegan foods we have here in the west.

[@Aashishkebab]

Yeah Americans have a tiny palate.

[@baza0]

My first 10 years as a vegan was in Tokyo, so things were easy and healthier compared to my last 13 in New Zealand. But fortunately, over the last 10 years everyone here has found out that because of intensive animal farming, our rivers lakes and water supplies are very polluted. International food options are limited here but I can get tempeh and tofu now. Natto is my favorite food but hard to find.

[@Masala_Pizzaa]

@@Im-BAD-at-satire I think this is because a lot of Asian and African cuisine is just...vegan by nature and tradition. There was no conscious attempt to vegan-ise many dishes because they simply have been like that. Even when I make any non-vegetarian dish, I have to incorporate a lot of veggies because the dish would be very plain otherwise. I really recommend trying to make some of the vegetable meals yourself with whatever ingredients you can muster.

[@jeovanniperez3949]

@@Masala_Pizzaa I’m a vegan myself and I don’t think vegans have to mimick textures of meat but I think they do it for sake of veganism like even i laugh when somebody says a mushroom can taste meaty when no it doesn’t 😂 the mushrooms taste good but no where taste near like animal foods , like where where I’m from there is no vegan restaurant but vegan friendly restaurants cus like you said a lot of Asian foods are accidentally vegan by nature of their culture same with Indian restaurants to

[@davidfichtenberg4446]

Regarding your references, please list the references in the order they apoear in your videos and for each reference put the time point in minutes and seconds. This will provide another way for your viewers to identify references in videos with their associated links.

[@danorris5235]

Good luck. Vegans don't do stuff like that. They're more concerned about feeling good than looking at hard data. They'll cherry pick the entire yard until they find something they don't like, ignore it, and then continue preaching. To be vegan is to deny reality. They've done multiple studies on the *acres needed to support even the least impactful vegan diet and it's apocalyptic. Vegans never bring it up and pretend they're less destructive because factory farming is terrible. Funny, that wasn't the argument or point.

[@peterbillings3276]

Uh oh. We got an hbomb fan over here Me too. Just had to say it 😜

[@morganboykin1159]

The b 12 argument lol im a supplentarian to eat all the food you essentially need is costly and you never get every vitamin essential to your mortality and fitness level it definitely helped me and most of this food is trash anyway lol I feel great I feel better fàsted not eating much full of vitamins and water and smoothies then eat like a few times a week lol I have kore focus and intelligence this food makes people literally stupid because your not focused keto genic diets work for athletic ism and intelligence definitely if youve ever done ot and not just listen to studies for an excuse not to do it

[@blackerthanblack814]

I swear meat eaters are NPC's like how can't they see that killing is bad? Oh but if their family, friend or pet gets killed all of a sudden their crying and melting down 🤖

[@irurouni]

I think more attention needs to be paid to the "studies" supporting any diet in order to verify how impartial these studies and researchers were.

[@vixxcelacea2778]

Also, just more information is found out over time. I've read lots of studies on this subject and it matters both how they went about the study, who it is funded by or any declared conflict of interest, peer reviewed and more recent. Science always leaves room for new information to change the game. Something we tend to forget when looking at sources, especially older out of date ones vs newer long term and often wider studies that come out later.

[@ghoot]

ok negationist. get out of scientific videos if you're not able to absorb it.

[@irurouni]

@@ghoot Prove how my statement leads to conclusion of my inability to absorb a scientific video (which needs better defining, by the way), please. And, on the flipside, how is my statement not relevant to the observational and impartial standards expected of scientific methods? In addition, please specify what I have negated. So that I can confirm if you have understood my position precisely. Thank you.

[@Icex7]

@@irurouni The methodology is the important part, not who paid for the studies.

[@irurouni]

@@Icex7 Well, considering I've seen methodology manipulated before in papers, everything needed to be taken into consideration, to be honest.

[@_aconite_cj_]

Unhealthy vegan here 🚶 lmao just finished a bag of chips

[@Simte]

Gotta love this carbs, 😂.

[@isaiahreno]

Bro pls eat more beans for me papi 🥺

[@itamareizikovich6973]

Tofu is delicious, chips are divine.

[@RoyalT-Ishim]

It be like that😂😭🔥. I’ll finish eating something or be in the middle of it and outta no where I’m like what’s actually in this. Then I find some nasty ingredients 😅and be like wow now I can’t eat these😂.

[@itamareizikovich6973]

@@RoyalT-Ishim luckily for me, I live in Israel, so they don't stuff meat and butter into everything, and if they are present, it's always printed on the package.

[@MaX936well]

I think it's also important to note that b12 comes from bacteria that gets eaten by animals (we used to get it from "less sterile" vegetables). And now most all livestock are giving b12 supplements so the meat has it. EDIT: I miss worded non vegan b12 deficiency, the point I was trying to make is that they aren't as deficient because their meat is getting supplemented anyway. So unless you're completely avoiding factory farming ...

[@TheRyad]

Lol healthy cattle don't need to be given B12 to contain it. There is abundant naturally forming B12 in the meat and especially the organs of animals. Lots of people around the world without industrial farming are NOT B12 deficient. It is mostly a vegan/vegetarian problem by far - which is strictly a phenomenon of abundance. You will eat a human carcass if you were starving.

[@fiwo735]

@@TheRyad Up to 90% of worldwide B12 production goes to animals to supplement their bodies, as the overwhelmingly vast majority of them come from factory farming. Even these who don't are still often supplemented as it makes the production easier for the farmers - same goes for antibiotics, where over 2/3 of world's supply goes to animals, which leads to the major threat of antibiotic-resistant bacterias. TLDR: B12 is not a mostly vegan problem, but rather an animal farming one.

[@emaarredondo-librarian]

@@fiwo735 Fact is, wherever vitamin B12 comes from, vegetables haven't any, so if you follow a strict vegan diet you'll end up with a deficiency. Unless you take artificial supplements or artificially fortified food. It appears that a diet which by itself conducts to a vitamin deficiency is not natural for the human body.

[@TheRyad]

@@fiwo735 B12 deficiency is by far, per capita, a vegan one. Stop supporting factory farm meat. Stop buying junk food. Ofc you'll be vitamin/mineral-deficient if you eat trash. Buy healthy meat. Support your local butcher and farmer.

[@thebffg]

​@@emaarredondo-librarian the point is that your beef is artifically supplemented with B12. Skip a step and take an algae-based B12 supplement yourself 🤷

[@ThaNimbus]

5:53 though cow's milk may contain calcium, that calcium is not necessarily well absorbed due to the amount of phosphorus within the milk. Adults also have a hard time breaking down the lactose due to lacking the enzymes that they used to have as a child.

[@angelhelms9533]

it is called fermentation

[@maphezdlin]

That is NOT true for those of Northern European decent or the African Maasai Tribe. So adults with this DNA usually have no problems with milk. For the rest it is dependent on how long it ferments. Even cheddar cheese has only trace amounts of lactose. Butter, and pro-biotic yogurt also have trace amounts of lactose.

[@danorris5235]

​@@maphezdlinPretty much. I pound milk like it's air and have zero issues. Have since I was little. If there's difficulty there I wouldn't know it.

[@Themrine2013]

theres also the fact milk is pasterized now which eliminates the enzymes that break lactose down naturally

[@namratagandhi3381]

Sesame milk, has 10 times calcium that same amt of dairy-Dr. Khadar Vali

[@jjose100ify]

Studies show that people that go on ANY “diet” see great results at least in the initial months/years. Mostly because when you start paying attention to your eating habits you automatically shed some of the bad effects of it. Obviously at some point the effects start to wear off and you see more of the long term effects

[@avibhagan]

switching from one extreme diet to another, is just swapping one set of chronic problems for another set. The negative chronic effects of veganism, don't show up until at least a year !

[@jjose100ify]

@@avibhagan for sure. Thats why some people don’t even blame it on veganism because they’ll say they’ve been on it for a long time

[@avibhagan]

@@jjose100ify , It's the same with a carnivore diet. The colon cancer won't show up until after about 10 years. But, of course you can eat some citrus and watercress and lettuce every once in a while. You can season your meat with turmeric and ginger and garlic. And you can mitigate against the chronic health issues. A balanced diet is best.

[@jjose100ify]

@@avibhagan agreed. Our bodies are very receptive to whole foods and a well balanced diet.

[@Skobeloff...]

@@avibhagan there is nothing extreme about not eating dead bodies, stop being so creepy

[@theejasonator9579]

I have a question, for my issue is: How can I avoid being ill to my stomach after eating greens? Ever since I was a little child, I've been unable to consume greens and a few vegetables without throwing them up or feeling nauseous if I don't throw them up. Even if I try combining them with foods that I like it still has the same effect on me. Whenever I try to eat them now, I invariably have a nasty stomachache or wind up throwing up. In addition, in 9 months I'll be an adult legally and produce is inexpensive and better for the environment. I've also never experienced problems with fruits, some herbs, or asparagus (that's only when I consume the asparagus with other foods though). I've been living off of multivitamins manufactured from vegetables, but even those make me nauseous. Maybe I'm just anxious when I eat greens but still, It's a problem. I can't just survive eating mostly meats, fruits, dairy, and bread. Or can I?

[@garytrawinski1843]

Eat meat.

[@invaderhorizongreen8168]

you may have an allergy or intolerance get both ruled out. or it could be a gut issue. see someone.

[@LincolnHawk87]

Plants are full of toxins and lectins (plant and vegetable defense mechanisms) that cause “leaky gut” where microscopic silica like hooks (think of it like asbestos) pierce your gut lining causing waste to leak into your bloodstream. Most lectins cannot be cooked out of vegetables even with enough heat. Look into that. Your gut lining may not produce enough biome to pass the amount of lectins needed to stop those symptoms. Ironically this can be fixed by eating meat, fats, and eggs.

[@chocolatier7010]

i am turkish and and we often drink mineral water for digestive system disorders. I’m in the Aegean region from Turkiye and this region famous for it’s herbal cuisine. You can search from google and look our menus. 😊(Also At the same time, the Mediterranean region is famous for its herbal cuisine. There is even a famous diet called the Mediterranean diet. You can find many vegan alternatives if you search on Google.) I talk too much, so my grandma’s recipe when we have a stomach disease: brewed mint! It has really cured all my stomach aches and reflux until today. I think you should drink mineral water or brewed mint after eating. I hope i could help you. 💚🍀

[@seanthomas2083]

Green vegetables aren’t good for you. Eat meat.

[@Oscar_Robertson]

I've been a vegetarian for awhile was about 230 .....now I weigh about 188 was on high blood pressure medicine and doctor took me off of them because my readings been 119 over 82 I feel great and trim

[@nikhilmish001]

In India a lot of people are vegetarian because of our culture. I was vegetarian since childhood, and when I turned vegan last year, I very clearly saw a positive change in my physical as well as mental health. This is my anecdotal experience. The mental health improvement has been a big impact on my overall well being.

[@SteversChed]

@@infobot7213 That just isn't true at all. Everyone eats and/or uses animal products. The definition clearly states (a person who does not eat or use animal products).

[@lotusgrl444]

I want to start being vegan but pricewise is it really more affordable? I feel bc of the "specialty " products, it's more pricey

[@nikhilmish001]

@@lotusgrl444 I assume its expensive to be vegan in wester countries. In India, things are very inexpensive because a lot of our market is already targetted to vegetarians. You can try doing some DIY things as a hobby if the ready made products are expensive. Actually vegan products are supposed to be cheaper, because they're actually quite easy and cheaper to make, their prices are often inflated because of economic reasons.

[@SteversChed]

@@nikhilmish001 Just vegetarian. They all still use animal products.

[@nikhilmish001]

@@SteversChed yeah that's right. I only turned vegan last year.

[@1678felipe]

Calling our canines large is funny

[@MoonOfCheese]

lmao ikr like look at a mandrill

[@holleey]

there are herbivores with canines that have a relative size many times that of ours. our puny canines would probably have a hard time getting through a squirrel, much less anything bigger.

[@mitchgoldstein6720]

“Lions eat meat” go vegan

[@Vamusika]

Embarassing tbh 😬

[@matheus8530]

Not only is funny, it is also obviously inaccurate

[@511dydy]

How can you tell if someone is a vegan. They will tell you about it.

[@indyj16]

Being vegan gives me a substitute for having an actual personality. Also, it gives me a feeling of having made a contribution without actually doing anything. And it gives me a reason to be smug and to look down on others, which is the most important part.

[@aliced7722]

Ok

[@1kili2]

B12 deficiency can be SO MUCH WORSE than just hallucinations, the lack of b12 can affect your nervous system and long time deficiency can produce a whole lot of worst symptoms like memory loss, speech difficulty and there are even people who have ended up in wheelchairs due to b12 deficiencies

[@TheoRae8289]

My grandmother couldn't stand because of hers, and that was even with injections for it. :(

[@vermillionc0re]

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[@shanelebeau5891]

B-12 comes from bacteria though

[@MauroDraco]

​@@TheoRae8289 was she vegan?

[@TheoRae8289]

@Mauro Draco nope. She was also suffering a weird sodium deficiency that turned out to be related to lung cancer of all things (allegedly that came from her lungs not healing properly after pneumonia we didn't know she'd had)

[@georgefleming4956]

I’m 62 years old now. Three years ago I decided to go vegan for many reasons. Animal welfare, environmental and personal health. My cholesterol was 399, now 114. Weight was 310 lbs, now 225. So much more energy and less napping. I’ll never go back to eating the “normal” American diet. 🌱

[@albin4323]

Sounds like you just had early dementia onset, it's a sign of mental illness to become a vegan or vegetarian at any age really.

[@IsaacWale2004]

​@@albin4323I am mentally ill. But being on a diet that makes me happy has helped. So stop trying to get attention.

[@albin4323]

@@IsaacWale2004 Well you said it yourself you are mentally ill, hope they lock you in and throws away the key.

[@raphaelnej8387]

I heavily slowed down on meat 3 years ago for environmental reasons but I didn’t care about nature or animal pain back then. I have recently dove deep into what is, what will be and what should be moral. Sadly I realize societal moral itself is rigged as it result of a natural moral that was naturally selected only to nudge us into pro-social and healthy behaviors, while we instinctively perceive moral as universal and objective. So I understood that some if not many of our society's habits are doomed to become immoral, extremely immoral, just like slavery, racism, male domination and even genocide were believed to be moral by some society. I was left with the question of wether or not an objective moral could exist and I couldn’t answer it. So I figured we should at least have a moral that is consistent with itself and with scientific knowledge. I tried to determine if humans and animals were fundamentally different and came to the conclusion that we cannot objectively make a clear difference between the brain and life experience of a cow, a mentally deficient human and a baby. So our moral should at least treat them equally. I didnt try to figure if mentally diminished beings should be treated like babies or like cows, I think it would be hard to tell. But since most humans would agree torturing and eating human babies is likely to be objectively immoral, I figured it would be immoral to do the same to animals so I stopped eating fish as well. I m not sure it would be immoral to raise human babies and give them a decent and happy life and eventually painlessly kill them before their natural death to sell their body to people that want to eat them. I m not sure it would be immoral to industrially produce human babies to test chemicals products on them is painless and non stessful conditions. I m not sure allowing human experimentation under certain conditions would be immoral. But i m pretty sure it would be hard to convince an hyperlogical extraterrestrial being that doing this on animals is fine while doing it on humans is not. I don’t mind people eating animals. It is moral in our society. But I believe it’s problematic to collectively accept a moral that is likely to turn out wrong while not trying to correct it beforehand. I think the main problem of our society is that we don’t question what is already in place unless it raises an explicit problem. We would never have realized using all natural resources we have access to is not necessary to find happiness if doing so didn’t threaten the entire society to collapse. In the end it’s all because nature did not make us wise enough. We tried to escape nature through moral, through altruism, through civilization, but we didn’t get so far. We didn’t get far enough to protect non human being from nature. We didn’t get far enough to protect non human being from our instinctive, natural behaviors. Nature did not make us wise enough to escape its immorality. But no living being can if not us. Maybe we are the ancestors of the humans that will achieve it. Maybe another society will, in thousands of years. Maybe we will fail and enslave each other under an immoral system across the planet for an extremely long period of time. I would rather believe it is unlikely to happen. And I hope we will not be the humans to put initiate it. Even if we only made a single step away from nature, this still a crazy accomplishment. Who would have thought this immoral system would create beings that decide to collaborate and seek happiness together instead of submitting to pain and competition like they all are forced to. To me it doesn’t matter what good of bad we cause to each other. The only thing that matter is wether we make humanity shift toward eternal happiness or eternal suffering. But I like not eating animals to feel what it will be like to be a human that escaped nature's immorality, if they ever come to exist.

[@anomalousdelirium]

Good to hear. But what you eat before vegan, but not anymore after vegan, exactly ?

[@HealthHacksDaily01]

This video provides insightful information on the environmental and health benefits of veganism, dispelling common misconceptions. I'm grateful for the thorough analysis and evidence-based approach, which encourages mindful consideration of dietary choices for personal well-being and the planet's health.

[@SteversChed]

No it doesn't. There is no healthy plants only diet for us. The environment wouldn't get better. No one even practices that fad.

[@MrArjanOskam]

A carnivore diet also helps a lot of people with auto immine deceases 😊 So I think the reason is just highly processed foods. That most vegans do not because most highly processed foods are non-vegan.

[@arimdu1408]

No lots vegan food is highly processed. Especially meat alternatives

[@MrArjanOskam]

@@arimdu1408 Those are also very unhealthy

[@PondersTech]

Went vegan in 2014 after experiencing the cruelty of animal agriculture. As a happy side effect, I no longer need a prescription cortisone steroid cream for my horrible case of dermatitis and I no longer struggle with anemia. A few people in my family removed dairy from their diets and have started to see similar results for their various conditions. It's clear that we (my family) just shouldn't drink cow's milk.

[@Joey-kd8lj]

Anaemia? That's interesting

[@mikesmicroshop4385]

That is actually the case for many people, they just don't realize it with Dary!

[@yumeko1993]

Just the case when u don't realise how many lives growing vegan diet takes. It's actually more destructive than any grass fed meat, as far as I have checked

[@Jojiku9]

I suffer from atopic dermatitis and im vegetarian, which means i drink milk and eat cheese etc. Do you think cutting dairy prodcuts entirely will help with the itching?

[@PondersTech]

@@Jojiku9 Maybe consider seeing a dietician? I know a bunch of people who've had some success working with them. Regular GPs just don't have enough knowledge on nutrition.

[@Luziagz]

Like other people said here, some of our cousins do eat meat. Bonobos and chimps, the closest to us, regularly hunt small animals, including small monkeys. Also, one very important thing that makes bones stronger and prevents oesteporosis is... physical activity! Like the muscles, they adapt to what you ask of them. Great video as always, thank you!

[@gao1812]

I believe that applies to chimps only, not bonobos. Besides those hunts aren't necessarily a regular thing among chimps

[@Luziagz]

@@gao1812 Look for sources. All sources I found describe them as omnivores, eating small animals, though sources don't seem to agree about them hunting other mammals or not.

[@Laurelin70]

@@gao1812 It is. It's just that not all hunts end up successful.

[@someguy2135]

Specifically weight bearing exercises. I often walk and climb stairs with a heavy backpack. "During weight-bearing activity, the muscles and tendons apply tension to the bones, which stimulates the bones to produce more bone tissue. As a result, bones become stronger and more dense and the risk of osteopenia, osteoporosis, and fractures decreases."-Orthopedic and Sports Medicine Institute

[@someguy2135]

Like our fellow primates, we are omnivores, but that doesn't mean we have to eat meat. Biologists classify humans as omnivores based on observed behavior in the majority, and the fact that we can digest both plants and animals. Our ancestors had to eat whatever they could get a hold of to survive long enough to reproduce. That included bugs, the equivalent of road kill, and sometimes other humans. Just because we can digest something, doesn't mean we should. Fortunately, most of us today can be more selective. We can eat a diet which is better for our health, longevity, our environment, and our fellow Earthlings- a fully plant based diet centered around whole foods. Animals in the wild have to eat each other. We do not.

[@robertlotzer7627]

Question: where does the B12 supplement come from?

[@frankbank8720]

If I were to guess it’s farmed using bacteria.

[@onemeterboy5211]

Its produced chemically

[@fallen3424]

Usually bacteria, but it's also present in some funghi, specifically I know yeast has B12

[@nickolasstrudwick7232]

@@fallen3424 Those bacteria are living creatures and you're using them to milk vitamins?! Blasphemy. Vegan hypocrisy at it again.

[@Common505]

The beef liver and other rich sources from animals which have vitamin b12 Bro they all have these bacteria 🦠

[@INikeAir]

Always remember, everything in moderation. Although I’ve switched over to more of a vegetarian diet and have been feeling amazing

[@drewmur]

I appreciate the fact that you were up front and honest about the pros and cons of the various studies. You present your case well, without resorting to sensationalism or tricky word play

[@clarissathompson]

Same! People need to make their choices based on data and personal wellness. I am not vegan but I always appreciate hearing all sides of the story without prejudice. What a great video!

[@michaelpettineo1328]

Unfortunately the narrator states at 2:20 that “modern primates, the ones we are closest related to, most of them have totally plant-based diets.” There are great things in this video and in veganism. But the statement about our other primate relatives is sensationally over-exaggerated and demonstrably false: “Which primates, exactly, enjoy dining on flesh? Most of them, according to David Watts, an anthropologist at Yale University who analyzed over 400 studies of meat-eating among primates in a 2020 review paper. Watts noted that 12 of the current 16 families of primates featured meat-eaters, a total of 89 species. Rather than the exception, it’s the majority - even when meat comes with a potentially violent price … theories (about the content of vitamins and proteins and calories from meat) can easily apply to chimpanzees and their favorite hunting game, red colobus monkeys.” Yes, chimpanzees are close cousins of humans and they go on hunting expeditions to eat red colobus monkeys. There are many videos of these chimpanzees regularly eating meat that they hunt. Source: Dr. David Watts of Yale Anthropology 2020 and Discovery Magazine www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/the-grisly-diverse-world-of-meat-eating-primates

[@clarissathompson]

@@michaelpettineo1328 I was wondering about that too, at the very least we know that many primates often eat insects as well.

[@RunningShoes88]

“Without resorting to sensationalism or tricky word play” Except for the title “The Biggest Lie about Veganism” and the thumbnail “It’s all lies.” 😂😂😂

[@arambarsamian6312]

@@michaelpettineo1328 Look. It doesn’t really matter what other primates eat; it doesn’t really matter what our ancestors ate. We have the data. We know that, with all other variables controlled, eating a plant-exclusive diet leads to lower rates of obesity, high blood pressure, heart disease, diabetes, and even some cancers. There is no reason to hypothesize about the answer, when we actually *have* the answer. Given that one can not only survive, but thrive on a plant-exclusive diet, other sentient being for food becomes an act of gratuitous violence. It is unnecessary for anyone who is reading these words on a computer screen. “But I like meat and I don’t want to stop eating meat” isn’t a satisfactory or mature argument in a serious discussion. Neither is “but chimps eat meat, so it’s ok for me to eat meat too.” I am not directing this at anyone personally, but I must repeat - we *have* the answer to the question of whether or not humans can thrive on a vegan diet. Yes, we can. Easily. Enslaving, torturing, and slaughtering animals for food is merely gratuitous.

[@PinkiePi]

Just a small note: gorillas and other primates who have large musculature and eat mostly vegetarian diets also have significantly lower levels of myostatin, the protein that tells muscles to stop growing. Great content! Thank you! Edit: I love the comments that have added on here! I've learned a ton! Thank you all for the contributions!

[@flabio7074]

Plus they eat bugs. And other primates.

[@i-ate-bread]

Not to mention that gorilla grow so big largely due to their own gut bacteria creating protein while we don't

[@PinkiePi]

@@i-ate-bread I did not know that! Amazing!

[@zelo6237]

this comparison really irked me. thanks for your comment

[@Kenlac92]

or in other words: we arent gorillas! who would have thought?!

[@sophiemandese6989]

Going vegan has reduced my crohns so much I don't need medication. That's more than enough for me. Still gotta avoid sugar and processed foods though, so whole plant based is the way to go! Thank you for this video!

[@chazlon5061]

I don't know if i would agree there's proof being vegan reduced Crohn's, but glad you're off medication. It's absolutely depressing that anybody under age 65 would need to take a pill.

[@overconstruction]

dark greens exasperated my stomach issues

[@billweir1745]

@@chazlon5061 People over 65 shouldn't really need to either if they take care of themselves.

[@chazlon5061]

@@billweir1745 not always true.

[@lenguyenngoc479]

@@chazlon5061 Or u can simply just do a poop transplant that works 90% of the time for CD A less nastier way is to eat lots of fibers to build the same diversity of microbes from donor's poop. In this way, it's the "whole plants" that helps. Not the "vegan" part. U can still eat junkies and call yourself a vegan

[@zendog48]

Well this is one inarguable fact and that is that a whole foods plant based diet is the only diet that been proven to reverse heart disease. Sounds pretty healthy to me.

[@yuji8592]

Is it possible that a generalized vegan diet could be inefficient?, not all the territory on earth is appropriate to grow vegetables, and humans don't actually consume the entire vegetable production, there are a lot of waste, also meat is relatively easy to produce and energetically very dense, would a vegan diet be a viable option for everyone?..

[@bseidem5112]

Eskimos?

[@seanbradley2712]

I've just recently started watching your channel. It seems pretty good, but I was a bit concerned watching this video, considering the title. I have been making an effort to move toward a more plant-based diet. Most of my milk consumption is plant-based, with some dairy, because of two things, 1. the environment (even if almond milk takes up more water, it's still way less than cattle), & 2: variety; Our diet being strongly controlled by what is commercially quick is very limited nutritionally. So, recently I was sent something about how veganism and vegetarianism are all big fat lies told to us by Big Veg, I watched a bit of it. Basically, some facts interspersed with junk science (the YT algorimth has put several just to the right 😡). Most of it was way too long, the only reason to watch that crap is to reinforce your choices so you can feel good about them, aka echo chamber. As a skeptic, I understand the massive amount of time it takes to debunk BS. One 6-second long junk statement can take between 20 minutes to 3 hours to debunk. Never mind hours upon hours of junk science. I've got better things to do, like watch your videos.

[@nodangles6983]

What's with the concern about "taking up" water? Water is a renewable resource. It isn't lost when consumed by animals or when used to make almond milk. It simply passes through living organisms, evaporates up into the atmosphere at some point, then returns in the form of precipitation.

[@seanbradley2712]

@@nodangles6983 Not exactly as one might think. It doesn't just "pass through" organism. Organisms, like plant and animals retain a lot of water, get harvested, milked, or slaughtered, and then transported to other places. The evaporation blows elsewhere and falls somewhere else. Cattle in particular consume massive amounts of water compared to plants and are usually a net negative, consuming more food/calories than they produce. And the entire cycle is way more complex than my meager explanation here.

[@GrandxB]

Vitamin D, e.g. from sunlight exposure is important for calcium absorption to prevent osteoporosis. Calcium + Vitamin D needs to be implemented daily for healthy bone structure :)

[@jeffery9416]

I was a hindu religious vegetarian , but lately having lactose intolerant so I'm vegan now

[@karinababy6557]

Consuming dairy is equivalent to eating veal because it's just as cruel because the baby is taken away to be killed for veal evrytime the mother cows are artificial inseminated

[@Gaming_Vegan_Ape]

You're not a baby, so you don't need milk.

[@lucax2300]

​@@Gaming_Vegan_ApeSo then why do vegans think they need vegan milk? 🤨

[@bodhiapurva3887]

Just asking, has anyone else here had some of their replies taken out or deleted?

[@RodrigoMallmann1]

this video is really unaccurate and plain wrong

[@smoothcriminal5650]

@@RodrigoMallmann1Keep saying that

[@barbara-annperry5941]

Peristalsis movement of the bowel. Carnivores have a shorter intestine. Herbivores longer and sometimes more than one stomach. Omnivores we no longer have a functioning appendix. As it's no longer needed.

[@lavion219]

youtube's been hiding some of the comments that they deem innapropriate or something

[@bodhiapurva3887]

@@lavion219 Yes, there has been a censoring of some of the remarks made for whatever reason that is?

[@jayakrishnanvg1]

Dont know if drinking milk reduces bone strength but lack of exposure to sunlight or low vitamin d will sure reduce the bone strength.

[@ERG11]

Already 8 years being vegan, and thank you for the reminder about B12! Vegans and vegetarians, please always take B12 even if our foods are fortified! It's better to be safe than sorry.

[@Tiikuri]

If you go full vegan for long enough, you will actually eventually die from lack of B12. It'll take years, but it'll happen. Long before you die, you will start getting nerve damage. So even if at some point you realize you need B12 to survive, you may already have irreversible nerve damage, which is devastating.

[@ERG11]

@Tiikuri Good we have B12 supplements! and also good they are super cheap!!

[@granthughes5421]

I just eat a ton of nooch everyday 😂

[@FURYBrenton]

@@TiikuriWhere do you think your B12 originates from?

[@Tiikuri]

@@FURYBrenton Animals have gut bacteria that produce B12. That's where it truly originates. Humans don't have such gut bacteria which is why we need to consume animals.

[@ColburnClark]

One thing I heard about the fractures study is that the vegan group had lower BMI. With less fat padding, it would make sense the rate of fractures would be greater especially in older vegans.

[@jeovanniperez3949]

BMIs are not a good health indicator though it’s mainly for the general population because you can have a high BMI due to muscle mass gain but your BMI could be saying you are “overweight” eventhough you don’t look or feel “overweight” and that’s because the BMI doesn’t take muscle to fat ratio accurately it mainly takes in your total weight

[@ColburnClark]

@@jeovanniperez3949 That's true in some cases. Generally, people with higher BMI have more fat.

[@jeovanniperez3949]

@@ColburnClark yeah I think that’s why some vegans are scared to gain weight or sees gain weight as a unhealthy thing cus of the BMI when technically it is true but we can still gain weight and be healthy so as long it’s mainly muscle gain over fat gain like I wouldn’t recommend no more than 10-20 pounds of weight gain if a vegan is considering a bulk cycle , that’s how I approach it as a vegan

[@KryptoKn8]

My guy, have you ever tried getting over 2-3 thousand calories purely by eating salad? Of course they have a lower BMI, assuming they don't throw junkfood in their face, because they eat a low-calorie diet. That's kinda just part of being vegan, it is _undeniable_ how much caloric value all sorts of animal products have

[@KryptoKn8]

​@@jeovanniperez3949yeah but frankly, for most people the BMI is definitely accurate enough to be used as a guidance point for things like their diet. At least nowadays, the majority of people concerned with the BMI are definitely not gym-going muscle masses, but more likely Your neighbor Bill that had one or two burgers too many, every Sunday. It always matters what kind of person you speak of, BMI takes your overall weight into account but it also pretty much considers average activity with average diet, so if you're too high you either don't move enough, eat too much (and the wrong things) or both. Vice versa.

[@yugen042]

One thing that isn't mentioned in this video is the different amino acids that constitute protein. Yes, you can get enough protein if you eat a lot of non-animal products, but if you also want to get the recommended amounts of each amino acids, some of which are very rare in plants, you need to eat absurd amounts of them which also comes with a lot of calories, especially carbs that you will be eating. That's not a big problem if you are an athlete who burns off all these calories and supplements with additional protein for muscle growth, but if you're not you'll just not be able to have the necessary amount of muscle to be healthy.

[@jollyjokress3852]

soy has all the amino acids

[@eughyuck]

im no biologist but im fairly certain carbs really aren’t a good source of amino acids.

[@the-real-world]

@@jollyjokress3852 soy lowers test

[@onemeterboy5211]

Thats quite false. "Which are very rare in plants". No these amino-acids are not very rare in plants. Plants just dont always have the right amount for every single amino-acid. But just as you dont eat only meat the whole time, vegans dont only eat 1 sort of food a day. The combination of these foods and acid-profiles is not ineffective and is nearly as good as not plantbased proteins.

[@onemeterboy5211]

@@eughyuck Plants have Proteins too, its a myth that a vegan diet always contains too much carbs.

[@Stormie33]

Funny that nitrates in plants are being lauded now, yet we've been told for years how bad bacon is because of the nitrates.

[@Brukner841]

they're different. Saturated plant fat tends to be anti inflammatory, saturated animal fat is highly inflammatory and raises cancer risk.

[@kalleygirl7]

I was so scared to watch this as a 7 year vegan, but I was impressed! Thanks for spreading the science!!!

[@changchen09]

Me too! But, truth shall prevail 🌟✊🏻🌱✌🏻 There's nothing to be afraid of when we all know we're following a good constructive path for oneself and others both 🙃😊

[@colto2312]

I HECKIN LOVE SCIENCE

[@Mzungumb]

Same! This channel does good work so I watched intently as an 11 year vegan and yay! (Congrats on 7 years! That’s huge! 🌱)

[@GodofGamesss]

He left facts out of it... For example 84% of people who try a vegan or vegetarian diet go back to eating meat. It's not sustainable for most people.

[@tessaruby2273]

@@colto2312 Yeah we knew all the science decades ago...it was only when the meat and dairy industries saw the threat that they started putting out their own studies to confuse people and amped up their marketing

[@ozzwich]

The calcium issue might be the bioavailability of the calcium intake. Western vegans might not be eating calcium sources that absorb as well as those people living in Africa (referencing the example in the video). There could also be regional trait differences that allow for better absorption. I am thinking of something analogous to the Northern European tolerance for lactose.

[@wellthi]

not really, but bingo for the regional trait its not lactose but Vitamin D source : Vitamin D May Explain Higher Bone Fracture Risk in Vegans kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6G2hKCKeLdnqM0

[@gao1812]

Calcium from plant foods is actually 50% more bioavailable than calcium from dairy, the issue is that plant have a smaller quantities of it. One can still consume optimal amounts of calcium on a vegan diet without resorting to supplements, but it requires more conscious effort

[@ozzwich]

Correct, but I wasn’t comparing dairy to plant calcium. I was comparing western vegans to the vegans mentioned in Africa and why there are differences. It could be what plants they are eating or the fact that they have been getting their calcium from that source for longer. I hope that makes sense .

[@wellthi]

@@ozzwich both omnivore and vegan are low in calcium cause both don't eat their Greens Source : kzbin.info/www/bejne/jIetdHuMesanp7s

[@ozzwich]

The Harvard U Website has a good article on this topic and I think outlines one potential issue: "A downside to some plant foods is that they contain naturally occurring plant substances, sometimes referred to as “anti-nutrients.” Examples of anti-nutrients are oxalates and phytates that bind to calcium and decrease its bioavailability. Spinach contains the most calcium of all the leafy greens at 260 mg of calcium per 1 cup cooked, but it is also high in oxalates, lowering the bioavailability so that only 5% or about 13 mg of calcium can be used by the body. The takeaway message is not to avoid spinach, which contains other valuable nutrients, but not to rely on spinach as a significant source of calcium since most of it will not be absorbed by the body. You can also schedule your meals so that you do not eat “calcium-binding” foods like spinach at the same meal as calcium-rich foods or with calcium supplements."

[@vintagemxer1846]

People will say anything for clicks or to reinforce their own biases.

[@jessicacollier2499]

Supplementation doesn't necessarily mean your body is going to absorb it, the B12 in meat is likely more bio available. (I wonder if this is true for cooking processes). Also there's a ton of other B vitamins that our blood cells need that we get from meat. And we still need milk for young children and babies. The real issue with veganism is the powers that be can easily subvert this movement and consolidate resources involving our food supply.

[@dafnu]

I'd hope you mentioned that B12 is found in industrialized meat not because it's synthetized by the animal, but because it's also supplemented by the industry in the feeding. Those responsible for the synthesis of B12 are bacteria in the soil. Animals that eat from pasture are exposed to B12, but those from feedlot are not. That's just one detail I'd love to be clarified in the video. Great material ❤

[@oxanarolph9874]

B12 is produced in the animals gut first, then it gets into the soil and then into the animals from the soil. It's a natural circle. Plants can't also grow healthy and full of nutrients without animals manures.

[@OpalAeon]

That is not entirely true. The bacteria that produce B12 are mostly living in the digestive systems of animals. For example, cows have many different types of bacteria that live in their rumen, including some that do produce the vitamin. We do too, in our colon, but unfortunately they can only live beyond the part of our intestine that can absorb that vitamin. BUT, the synthesis of vitamin B12 requires cobalt - meaning that animals that feed on plants that have grown in a cobalt-poor soil will naturally have a lower B12 intake. Which is why, to be sure that farm animals get enough of it, their food is mostly supplemented.

[@raghu8059]

We can get b12 from fermented rice. Its regular food in south india

[@danm8004]

What's the difference functionally?

[@asadbusiness8285]

vegan people and happiness, they don't belong together. quotes by Uncle Rogar

[@dangernoodle2868]

Normally when people talk veganism they get lots of things wrong because they have to fight their own biases at the same time but this video was basically solid.

[@brightshining]

Right? Pretty good :) (can't even tell their bias)

[@mikesmicroshop4385]

Hardley, he completely ignores the MOUNTAIN of research that proves just about everything he said was in many cases not only wrong but completely wrong.

[@jeovanniperez3949]

@@mikesmicroshop4385 you need to know witch “mountain of evidence” is actually factually correct for example meta-analysis studies and peered reviewed studies are high end in the hierarchy of scientific evidence which plant based diets and vegetarian diets have support of major health organizations , there is no meta-analysis studies or peered reviewed studies of any kind that support the carnivore diet because the carnivore diet is nothing but pseudoscience and everyone of those carnivore KZbinrs you see on KZbin either take or sell pharmaceutical supplements which in return helping “big pharma” funded research that you complain about because pharmaceutical supplements are a part of pharmaceutical industry

[@aloevera0.0]

@@mikesmicroshop4385 would you like to cite some sources for this mountain of evidence?

[@dangernoodle2868]

@@mikesmicroshop4385 Like what? I agree that there are some inaccuracies but what did you thing was completely wrong?

[@Mark-nu3us]

All I can say is, UNTIL or UNLESS there is a replacement for milk and meat that is THE SAME PRICE, people won't buy it, because they can't afford it. Availability VS cost. You can have all the fake milks you want, but until they're the same price or cheaper than regular milk, it IS NOT A DECISION that can be made for most people in the USA, and probably around the world. AND THAT INCLUDES it being able to be used as a replacement for simple things like eating cereal to 'advanced' uses like baking. Same with the meats, cheeses, and ALL other non-vegan foods. I've been lucky enough that I could quit all fast foods, even restaurants, and I try to stay away from meats, but if money is ever tight, eggs, rice, and chicken are my go-to's, because they're cheap, caloricly dense, and pretty healthy... I cut out ALL HFCS (High Fructose Corn Syrup) out of my diet and my stomach has thanked me so much!!!! Companies put that shit in EVERYTHING they possibly can, for ZERO reason!!!!

[@jadek5822]

Beans & rice?

[@user-cu7cy4cr2u]

I’ve been a vegan for 27 years. I haven’t died from protein deficiency even once:)

[@pamelapamper]

Don't u care about the billions of rodents u're killing with the monocultures u need to feed urself? Very unethical.

[@bodhiapurva3887]

@@pamelapamper What about the billions of farm animals killed each year to feed all the omnivores?

[@SteversChed]

You use animal products just like everyone else here. No need to pretend you don't.

[@KT-83]

You forgot the most important thing! Corruption in the research industry and strong biases. Why not do some research on how studies are made and who funds them.

[@Antelieris1]

Why not do some research on how science actually works instead of trying to push easily disproven conspiracy bullshit?

[@tandago7281]

So you would trust that research in research?

[@KT-83]

@@tandago7281 I mean if he starts researching this he will find very quick find how corrupt the system is.

[@AniLuong]

have u ever read a whole study? they literally write it all down for u even the sketchy stuff

[@RigorDMG]

Let's not stop there buddy, do research into the research that does research into how studies are made and who funds them then proceed to question said research 😂

[@isaiahreno]

As a vegan, I had to click this video to scrutinize anything I may be wrong on. Turns out I agree 100%!

[@amanasd26]

One thing that wasn't touched on and should have been was bioavailability. Vegan protein options tend to be less bioavailable in the human body.

[@narutistasss]

😂same

[@truedarkness4052]

​@@amanasd26That's actually not true. Recent research has debunked this

[@Kurostyle21]

​@@truedarkness4052 Not quite, it's just more nuanced. There are different amino acids and you need all the essential ones regularly, but not necessarily all in the same meal. Within the same day is fine. Also most people in the West eat more than enough protein already. Doesn't mean it can never be a problem though.

[@FriendlyChannelll]

@@truedarkness4052 If you wanna say research has debunked it then post the research.

[@hmmpppsaywhat7878]

I’m not vegan or vegetarian but would love to move over to one of these diets at some point - in the face of overwhelming evidence all you ever hear are meat eaters trying to say why veganism is bad rather than defend their own diet. It is to be expected at countless studies have shown vegans and vegetarians do have a significantly higher average IQ than omnivores.

[@SamiCoopers]

Lack of iron in a diet will reduce vitamin c absorption. Maybe that's the link between this deficiency in vegans?

[@vdevov]

Big issue I have is protein to carbohydrate ratios between meats and plants. Plants with low carbs incredibly rarely have decent amounts of protein. Type 1 Diabetic here. And having had issues with the lack of regulation with supplements (ends up some Omega3 pills from a healthfood store had a sugar syrup in them for some reason??), I'm untrustworthy of everything.

[@stacey_spooks]

Hello! I am also a T1D☺️ I eat primarily plant-based with some occasional fish. I find tofu is a great non-meat protein that is low carb and once you learn all the great ways to cook it, your options can be endless! Although it may take some getting used to. Beans and legumes are great as well bc of their high fiber that helps lower the carbs. I try to stay away from the “fake meat” products since they do tend to have carbs bc they are usually gluten proteins😩 As far a supplements, it really is a crap-shoot that kind of is up to trial and error, checking glucose before and after taking one to see if your sugar spikes and adjusting accordingly. The struggles of being t1D🙃 I had a pre-workout drink mix that would spike my sugars even though it claimed to have no sugar🙄 maybe someday we’ll get some better regulation….

[@raincandy3]

Certain diets aren't for everyone. Considering your health, veganism probably isn't for you. In vegetarian diets, you can at least eat egg which is very filling and nutritious. And use supplements that are from reputable brands with ingredient lists that you have screened yourself (for example, added sugars). Personally, I think those with diabetes should eat healthy whole foods in a balanced diet with vegetables and meat (including fish), with minimal to moderate starchy foods (potatoes, rice, bread, etc). I'd suggest avoiding highly processed foods and sugars if possible. Nuts, egg, and certain fruits make great snacks.

[@raincandy3]

@@stacey_spooks did you check the carbs in the nutrition label? Foods that have no added sugar can still have carbs.

[@Brukner841]

@@raincandy3 wow, no idea where protein is besides animals?

[@TRagKilla]

There's a couple things with this video. 1)The gladiators being plant based is mostly drawn from skeletons found at one location. When you look at gladiator skeletons from places closer to the sea, you see fish turn up in their diets. So there diets would have likely just been more of a reflection of the food available to them. Also, not saying this is a good or bad thing but, gladiators physique's weren't what you think. They were actually chubby, so they don't really fit our modern idea of an athlete. 2) I know they got around to saying people have been eating meat for millions of years but, the part where they say chimps don't eat meat isn't true. Chimps hunt and eat smaller monkeys. Adding to that, many herbivores like deer have been seen eating small animals at times. So the idea of animals strictly fitting into herbivores is more of an oversimplification on humans part to understand animal diets. 3) More of a would like to know more. Is there anything comparing a vegan diet to someone only eating meat that comes from restorative farming practices? I've heard a lot about how they capture significant amounts of carbon in the ground (supposedly enough to off set the methane emitted by the livestock) and require significantly less pesticide, if any at all.

[@BJ-ui2rc]

I agree on the first two points you made. On the third, that doesn't really matter that much for the "healthiness" of the meat though factory farming is terrible. What matters most is the saturated fat content of the meat. You can have the same cholesterol levels as a vegan if you eat very lean meat and a low saturated fat diet overall. Even when I was vegan I literally never met a single person who actually ate a healthy vegan diet. They can be chock full of as much or more saturated fat, sugar and processed crap as a standard American diet. I couldn't get past the extreme bloating from all the legumes required to be a healthy athletic male on whole foods plant based diet. I know someone will chime in to point out some roided out vegan dude who drinks a ton of protein shakes to get his protein but I don't care. I've gone through the trial twice at over a year each time and I end up the same. Tired, bloated, sore all the time and having elevated liver enzymes.

[@flabio7074]

Primates eat bugs too, as does any herbivore that eats wild plants.

[@rwang1618]

I totally agreed with your first two points.

[@rwang1618]

@@BJ-ui2rc That is exactly the third point I want to make. In fact, I would say one of the biggest concern for both vagans and others were whether they can sustain a healthy diet and life style than when in the most ideal healthy and lift style, vegan or not, is it better.

[@BJ-ui2rc]

@@rwang1618 There are some other channels where they take a very nuanced approach to this subject matter. If it's strictly health you're talking about, a plant based diet is best but can include some lean animal products. It's not animal protein that's unhealthy, it's the saturated fat (and the way many people consume meat). The mediterranean diet is much more sustainable in terms of being able to stick to it especially considering if you're trying to eat as healthy as possible. Still plant based but can include a bit of fish and lean meat in moderation. The whole "being vegan is magic for your health" thing is not scientifically accurate and I wish people would stop pedaling it. You CAN be healthy eating animal products so long as you limit consumption of saturated fat while doing so.

[@ingusbingus8750]

One thing that is worth mentioning is that many nutrients not only are harder to find in a plant based diet, but also have lower absorption rates than their animal based counterparts. Examples of this are calcium, iron and even protein. Not only that but regarding protein the amount of each aminoacid found in vegetables is not in the ideal proportion, while in meat and dairy products it is.

[@veganvaudeville309]

It doesn't matter if the absorption rates are lower, only that that the absorption rate is adequate. What is the real reason you aren't vegan?

[@SteversChed]

@@veganvaudeville309 You use animal products like everyone else here. Why do you use animal products needlessly while only pretending to be against it?

[@veganvaudeville309]

@@SteversChed what would those be?

[@SteversChed]

@@veganvaudeville309 Tallow, gelatin, bones, etc... Again... Why do you use animal products needlessly while only pretending to be against it?

[@veganvaudeville309]

@@SteversChed it's going to be a long conversation if you continue to be mystical. In what way do I use these products?

[@mariaradulovic3203]

And from where do farm animals get B12? No, not from the soil. They are injected with the supplement. Also, what about health damage from growth hormones in dairy and casein addiction?

[@Great-cooking]

@mariaradulovic3203 B12 is not from the soil. Cobalt is from the soil which the cow will eat and synthesize to become b12. Only few farms supplement with cobalt. if you hear cows are getting injected with b12, it is not actually the cow but the calf who got sick because it did not yet have enough time to eat more grass with more dirt with more cobalt.

[@BrooklyKnight]

"Veggies like beetroot" *proceeds to draw a purple carrot*

[@bobiboulon]

1:41 I was about to comment "source?" but then I saw you linked a lot of sources under the video, yey! \o/ So, I dived into it, and... no source for that claim. So, I looked it up myself, I found that early athletes have been described (by at least one ancient author) to have a vegetarian diet *with cheese,* then the diet changed to incorporate more meat. Maybe there's something more complex into that? 2:00 Sadly, there's nothing in your sources about this either, even if this time I agree that, as far as I know, the consensus in human paleontology is that we came first from specie that had _mostly_ a plant/fruit diet, and later started to integrate more meat. In a very more recent age, in fact when we started agriculture, we lowered the quantity of meat in our diet (resulting in a lower intake of vitamin D, which is probably what started more "nordic" humans to have a skin depimgentation in order to compensate this loss - vitamin D is synthised by our metabolism from some lipids, like cholesterol, but we need sunlight for this). 2:36 We don't have the same metabolism... this comparison makes no sense. Oh, and your vegan chimps (like many other apes) do eat meat from time to time, even if it's totally irrelevent to the diet of our own specie. 5:59 Not the same environnement. More sun, therefore probably a better production of vitamin D, which is essential for the solidity of our bones. Don't you think? 6:45 No kidding?! Understand me: I greatly lowered my meat and dairy products consumption, and I applause those who went totally vegan. But you can't come with a video titled "The Biggest Lie About Veganism" and do that many shortcuts, wild assumptions and approximations. Popularization does not mean cuting the parts of the subject we don't like.

[@MsSarcasticity]

They really did a half-assed job with this. Very disappointing.

[@juandedomenico4306]

Everyone saying they did a great job with this vid but to me it was craaaazy biased

[@Succer]

This video was way worse than I thought it was gonna be when I clicked on it.

[@aaronmathews9636]

Do your studies referenced for better for the environment include the pesticides?

[@sandybayes]

Great job! You accurately portrayed veganism and used solid well studied examples.

[@danielebowman]

Actually a lot of his information is contentious and debateable. Especially on the impact of environment and ignores the need for more artificial fertiliser, whose production is far more CO2 intensive. A vegetarian or low processed meat diet is healthier.

[@adrianmartin4999]

The environmental gains are really not contentious among scientists. Sure, they're opposed by interested groups, just as there are still climate change deniers. I think he did a pretty good job of giving a feeling for the contentious nature of the health claims, given the length of the video

[@divyadesai5927]

as a vegetarian, who wants to turn into a vegan, this video was very informative, thanks :)

[@wokery]

good luck 🤞💪

[@antonioc.5778]

What's the difference between veganism and vegetarianism?

[@boo_]

@@antonioc.5778 Vegans do not consume any animal derived products, while vegetarians do not eat just meat.

[@annabellah04]

@@antonioc.5778 Vegans don’t eat any animal products and vegetarians don’t eat meat

[@sc3k]

@@antonioc.5778 Vegetarians consume animal products (honey, milk, eggs, woolen clothing) but don't eat meat. Vegans do not eat meat or use any animal products.

[@engine_erin]

Thanks for making this video! I think it's important to note that omnivores also consume B12 supplements, albeit unwittingly. The supplements are just administered to the animals they eat, so widespread veganism would help reduce the overall requirement for supplement production by way of cutting out the "middle-man". I am a land-use engineer and i am so happy i made the decision to go vegan 5 years ago for the planet 🌎

[@forrest_ation]

Nutritional yeast contains B12 and having a small amount of it can improve your mood and sleep if you need it, great way to add in any nutrients your body might need :)

[@engine_erin]

@@forrest_ation great tip! I love nutritional yeast for my B12 needs! So tasty too :)

[@deeplyvibrant]

This is not true. Maybe the case in the US but lots of African countries don't administer antibiotics to cattle not to talk of B12 and B12 deficiency is not running wild.

[@engine_erin]

@@deeplyvibrantthat is a good point that supplementation is not happening everywhere, but my statement is still very much true as widespread B12 supplementation is most definitely happening on a very large scale in many countries. An example of one exception does not negate the validity of the widespread use of B12 in animal husbandry.

[@deeplyvibrant]

@@engine_erin claiming that it is widespread is quite the stretch. Does this apply to developing countries?

[@aussiert]

A lot of these subjects tend to go black and white, so does the followers, yes perhaps cutting meat intake to half or less could have many benefits and focus on a balanced diet.

[@abrvalg321]

You should rename this video to a "vegan promo".

[@YeetusTheFetus]

not the bestiality mention 💀

[@Epicdps]

Yeah that was kinda cringe But a discussion around the ethics behind bestiality vs factory farming can be quite relevant considering the process of how female animals are inseminated

[@Sammy_82]

​@@EpicdpsThere was a video by triggernonetry that went into this. Is eating meat worse than bestiality?

[@finalstation]

I was worried about B12, but my almond milk has it, my nutritional yeast, cereals I eat. I was thinking about getting supplements, but apparently I get plenty of foods that are fortified with it.

[@shanelebeau5891]

They feed b-12 to animals which is why it’s in meat.

[@AnteJuneholm]

You should still supplement. And get bloodwork done from time to time to see your levels

[@brightshining]

Yeah, you have to have quite a lot of the fortified foods in order to get its full, daily nutritional value. Even as an avid plant-based milk drinker, I would advise you supplement a lot.

[@jeovanniperez3949]

Yes I’m vegan and trainer as well you should still supplement a b-12 and you don’t have to worry about vitamin-D depending where your from because you also get vitamin-D so it’s not an essential nutrient it’s a conditional essential cus we also get it from the sun

[@simonsaysism]

@@jeovanniperez3949 Experts recommend supplementing for vitamin D needs, particularly in colder countries, because vitamin D from the sun varies so much depending on season and daily weather. However, a note for anyone who does like to get some sunlight in - sunscreen has not been shown to hinder vitamin D production, so don't use this as an excuse to skip sun protection!

[@qawi272]

For me, it's quite hard to maintain my weight and fitness, even with a vegetarian diet. I just tend to eat a lot more pasta and flour products. With meat, one portion of meat and pasta is enough for me and I feel full, but with just pasta I have to eat a lot more to get the same effect. Also, as a climber, I can't miss out on anything that supports bone and ligament density, such as collagen. Do you guys have any tips for meals / protein sources? I skip meat for ethical reasons, so I don't care if it's vegan or not as long as it's somewhat ethical.

[@keenotero9201]

Cheese, cottage cheese, egg whites, tofu, soy curls, beans, lentils.

[@bavv7056]

Eat more Asian food

[@Cuttuttlefish]

Regarding bone breaks, every vegan I've ever known has been super into cycling or something like that. You'd need to make sure you controlled for opportunity to actually break bones when running that analysis. If your comparing a population where 20% cycle to work vs a population where 80% cycle to work, it's no surprise you see a few more bone breaks in the latter group and it doesn't need to have anything to do with diet.

[@leonkonigstein9226]

sure man it has nothing to do with the lack of calcium and of course every second vegan is cycling to work what else - because they have abnormal amount of energy ...lol

[@gramoukdoom]

Haha, indeed so many contextual factors at play. Vegan for 15 years, only broke a bone once in my life, run over by a car coming back from work lol I'm a construction worker and practice climbing and skiing...

[@freak8385]

I live in Guatemala, part of our diet consist on eating vegetables, fruits and of course meat, obviously in the rural areas that is more difficult but not impossible, we been doing this same diet for many years and is not a surprise that some people have become "Vegan" when is already part of a diet, keep in mind that as well not everyone eat meat we do tend to use fat grease or oil of animal nature. Countries that are in the tropical center of the world (In this case Guatemala) we have a diet that consist always of a heavy dish and obviously always fruit and veggies, the studies apply always for Europe and North America, never they have touch the subject on central or South America, since is a part of a way to remind ourselves that investigation only covers what it has to be heared, not what has to be seen.

[@Simte]

Great video as usual guys. I have been vegan for over 10 years and take my B12 daily, I adore cycling and boxing and felt a significant improvement when I started, but is not my focus, It is the environment.

[@Andy_G971]

Me too I felt more energetic when I started eating a plant-based diet

[@flabio7074]

I went WFPB for several years and I didn’t thrive. I’m still mostly plant based, but I get a little extra protein from eggs and dairy and I eat fish a few times a week. Basically a plant-heavy Mediterranean diet I guess. Anyway I feel much better now and I’m taking absolutely zero supplements (nutritional supplements that is if you know what I mean 😜💨 )

[@sugarhieroglyph]

Wanna spar?

[@Vegan400]

The main reason for veganism is animal rights, environment and health are just benefits

[@brightshining]

@@Vegan400 Exactly. Started for the animal harm-reduction ethics. Stayed for the world harm-reduction ones.

[@AAblade7]

1. When it comes to water pollution their isn’t any actual definitive data i can find yet condiering the use of industrial fertilizers and weed killers like round up. 2. The study about gladiators diets based on archaeological studies also found plenty of nitrogen which means they ate some meat as well 3. Chimpanzees are omnivorous not just plant eaters. Yes they eat meat as well as everything. So we probably got our diets from a common ancestor.

[@infamousrainbow4692]

I just…. become vegan… bit by bit. Never thought i’d dislike meat for ethic reasons, but hey, here i am. It started with avoiding pork, then gradually evolved to just feeling…off whenever i eat meats just for the sake of having meat.

[@Mochido89]

The thing is, going vegan (or plant-based if you are going with just the diet approach) is a conscious decision. Not only conscious about the planet, the animals, or whatever your motivation is, but with yourself. Like any other diet it has trade-offs. Be responsible and talk with a nutritionist and go for regular blood checks. Also, as a home cook, I find a vegan diet to be a lot more fun. You get to try a lot of new things and combinations.

[@limbeboy7]

Lol your argument is void. there are at least a dozen species of plants that eat animals and insects. look up the fly trap plant and the plant that traps mouse. avoiding meat is stupid considering even plants eat meat

[@OstrichAnkles]

Okay but meat tastes good

[@Mochido89]

@@OstrichAnkles You do you, I guess.

[@lordofthestrings86]

@@MagP.i.e It can be much more expensive if say you're replacing ground beef with Impossible burger. But whole food plant-based staples like rice, beans and potatoes are some of the cheapest foods there are.

[@Mochido89]

@@MagP.i.e Not really. Of course if you buy lots of processed stuff, it is. They aren't cheap. But to cut animal products altogether has been extremely good for saving money too, at least in my personal experience.

[@elizabethelias1005]

Water lentils contain B12. Like a lot of bioavailable B12. Calcium is not easily absorbed from milk. I do not take any calcium supplements and my calcium level is 9.8. The threshold is 10.3.

[@XrayTheMyth23]

Calcium is also very much added to vegan milks... these points keep being repeated about vitamins and such but they are pretty outdated compared to common products. Same story with B12, D, and iron.

[@bodhiapurva3887]

Found a source of water lentils at £7 for 240 grams but it's sold out. The only other product available online was an extract of water lentils costing almost £30!

[@nevermindmeijustinjectedaw9988]

tap water around here is filled to the brim with calcium. if yours isnt somehow, just buy mineral water like pellegrino, evian or whatever. a simple way to figure out if your tap water is "hard" (has lotsa minerals, most of which is usually calcium), is to see how much if any "regenerative" salt (or whatever it's called) your dishwasher needs. ours needs one kg every month which is a lot. another would be by taste, but for that you'd have to have a lot of experience tasting waters and know what they contained. personally, cold, hard water is the tastiest. legit surprised by how many people are afraid of their calcium levels and i never drink milk or bottled water.

[@bodhiapurva3887]

@@nevermindmeijustinjectedaw9988 Are you aware about the Chlorine and Fluoride chemicals that are added to tap water? It also has higher levels of heavy metal residues. Also live in a hard water area which means using more soap and shampoo.

[@nevermindmeijustinjectedaw9988]

@@bodhiapurva3887 where tf do you live, wth well obviously, if you live next to a uranium mine, try not to drink local water, but no, our tap water doesnt contain any chlorine or fluoride to speak of, we dont drink indoor swimming pool water lol but either way, mineral water is still an option ps: more soap and shampoo bc of water? never heard of that before. my skin would immediately break out if i abused it like that

[@Halcyontimes]

It should also be noted, that no animals by themselves can produce vitamin B12 . Only certain microorganisms can synthesize cobalamin; microorganisms we can cultivate without the need of a livestock, animal 'host'.

[@jonathanmitchell9886]

In my experience (and I had two very close vegan friends), vegans simply don't eat. If you open their refrigerators, you'll find an untouched mango, a couple of bottled waters and little else. I don't *just* eat meat--I like legumes and grains as well--but I do need a certain amount of it in my diet. Avoiding meals altogether obviously isn't healthy, but I realized my vegan friends were doing precisely that. (Which tells me that they found the diet unappetizing.)

[@grotmx]

A really good summary of the facts as we know them today. Balanced, concise - you guys do a great job!

[@gargantuasounds]

You forgot to say the bit where animals are given B12 supplements. Some do get it naturally from grazing but they are more commonly given supplements instead. Earthling Ed has a great video on this.

[@DarkChaos1986]

Take any pork, cattle of sheep, give it a normal extensive diet without any supplements. Kill it and look at the liver, surprise, the fantastic b12 will be there like magic. Stop spreading fakes news.

[@alexanderx33]

No details on the environmental impact. Probably because it's false. Any additional human productivity means more environmental impact. And meat production is primarily using otherwise unusable land for food production. So often, studies ignore scalability in favor of the unit costs of something. But because of upcycling and land beneficial uses, if meat production was not performed, such a dramatically lower, a number of total calories would be available to humans that we straight up wouldn't be able to produce enough food for everyone.

[@thebigscreentheory]

People in the general population is also low in B12 though. You can find B12 in fortified plant drinks, vegan meat and some tofu

[@mattmartin1998]

Went vegan 4 years ago and have never felt better, you'll love it

[@mikesmicroshop4385]

I went Carnivore 30 years ago and have never felt better, you will love it! Lost over 50 pounds, my blood pressure came down to normal, my blood sugars normal, and no longer diabetic, Lost the brain fog that I didn't even realize I had till it was gone, sleep better, and no more gas or digestion issues ( had IBS for years and was told it would probably only get worse over time), gained 20+ pounds of muscle, blood work My Dr. said was in the top one percent best he had ever seen for someone in their 20s and I am 66.

[@longevitycoach1573]

I’m 52 and since 7 years CARNIVORE, have perfect body, zero cavities and I feel inmortal. It’s great man.

[@republikadugave420]

Went carnivore when i was born...40 years down the line i havent had any sickness only covid which is a manufactured virus so i count it out...try meat you will like it ..

[@sammysoseOFFICIAL]

I too am on a carnivorous heavy diet, and am very healthy. The most natural diet is a healthy blend of both. But I could never cut meat out of my diet. It makes me happy and give me the energy I need. But what I won’t do is encourage people to switch to my diet. I know my body and diet is far from a one size fits all.

[@mikesmicroshop4385]

@@sammysoseOFFICIAL That is precisely why I have said over and over to do your own due diligence! I am not here to tell anyone what to do! There is no such thing as a one size fits all diet!

[@viniciusdacosta8059]

One of the reasons I love your channel is that you don’t use the research to convince us to choose a side. I’m curious though, after doing the research for this video, what do you guys eat?

[@VFella]

Food, of course 🤣

[@aarondilts5155]

The comment about gorillas maintaining large, powerful muscles on a plant-based diet sparked a memory of having seen another educational video that elaborated on the reasons for that. If I'm recalling correctly, it has something to do with gut biome adaptations? This video certainly has inspired me to look into it further after this though.

[@phil_matic]

I think we have evolved as a species where we could get our nutrients from a variety of sources, and survive. In the absence of meat, we could survive for a while just eating plants, and vice versa

[@julis.6667]

Since the animals in factory farming don't take up B12 naturally, they are also fed with supplements. So in our society, getting B12 from meat is not more natural than just taking supplements yourself.

[@sundragon13]

No, but you can get B12 in its natural form from pasture-raised or wild-caught meat

[@joshuatendoornkaat8558]

@@sundragon13yes you can, but that would involve murdering someone which isn’t very nice now is it?

[@sundragon13]

@@joshuatendoornkaat8558 all I was saying was that the above comment is only true for people who eat factory-farmed meat. Saying that B12 from meat is not more natural than synthetic B12 is just plain untrue. Synthetic nutrients are extremely unhealthy because they're not at all received by the body the same way. A diet that requires synthetic nutrients is clearly not the natural, optimal human diet. I don't like to kill things, and I hate the taste of meat, so I tried to be vegan, but it didn't work. Vegansim made me extremely ill, and the synthetic supplements where doing nothing for me. I'm an animal too, and I'm unable to live on a vegan diet without my malabsorption problems hospitalizing me, so I eat small amounts of pasture-raised meat, and my body can absorb that so much better than synthetic nutrients! No, it's not nice to kill animals, but it's also not nice to make an omnivore sick by trying to force them to be an herbivore. And what about obligate carnivores, what should they do? Eat a bunch if soy pumped with synthetic nutrients? If you don't like the circle of life, take it up with mother nature, not me.

[@idanmashta]

It’s b12 with sorrow

[@EPixieGrin]

That's a really great point, thanks. Many of the reasons vegans can't get B12 as easily now is because of how unhealthily the modern world and environment have become. Like due to herbicides, pesticides and pollution in the inland water supplies.

[@kieransweeden]

A real miss from this video is that B12 exists within meat and dairy sources primarily because the animals themselves are supplemented B12. Following a vegan diet simply means you taking that B12 supplement rather than the animals.

[@Meloniraelewis]

exactly!! if the animals have not been supplemented then humans who eat those unsupplemented animals will become b12 deficient too!! most b12 comes from bacteria that blankets the earth/in unchlorinated water/on unwashed plants/in soil(so ya technically if you were able to find/buy/eat actual pasture raised animals[the grocery store food labels do not actually mean they were raised grazing in fields] then they might not have to be supplemented but good luck unless you know a real farmer/amish farmer!)...BUT mic the vegan also did a video(several months ago) about a new scientific recent discovery of how duckweed(a plant that grows on/in? water i think) actually does have b12 in it, like the plant itself makes b12!!! so the claims they made in this video that "no plants contain b12" is false!! at least one plant does and even tho this might not be a plant that many humans eat today humans might have eaten lots of it thousands of years ago ntm there might have existed some other now extinct plant that had b12 and maybe the plant became extinct BECAUSE humans ate it to extinction!?, not to mention how we have not tested ALL plants yet either so we will most likely find more plants that do make b12 too!....also most of the plant based docs used to think that you could never "overdo" the b12 BUT some people who end up consuming too much b12 this can cause them to have acne...so just like with ALL the rest of our essential nutrients we don't want too little OR too much but JUST THE RIGHT AMOUNT!! too much fat=bad!! too much protein=bad!! heck you can even overdo the water if you drink a gallon in a few minutes instead of over an entire day you might not have another day!?...it's difficult to overdo water BUT unfortunately that has been done before...so of all the nutrients we need to consume we need just the right amount not too much/not too little...animal foods have "too much", sure if you only eat them a few times a year your body can probably heal well enough that it wouldn't matter especially if you're body is already healthy BUT to repeatedly day after day week after week year after year...if you never give your body a chance to heal/to heal after all the damage from eating animals then you'll ALWAYS be sick... that's how i was and sure enough switching to the natural diet we humans should be eating(whole plant foods) sure has been a positive health promoter for me, there's zero way i'd ever switch back!!! i got sick and tired of being sick and tired i had zero other choice other than to do something else/something "radical" or different to become healthy, had been sick my ENTIRE life since birth and currently all i'm still dealing with is allergies which are still the best, even tho i still have allergies they're hardly a bother, but i'm sure that if i started to eat the ultra processed plants and the animals foods again i'd be right back to being extremely sick and tired all over again...i might not ever be in "perfect" health but ANY amount of healthier is better than ANY amount of sickness...no one likes being sick and i just wish that we could all come to know/understand what is actually making us sick instead of just assuming these "magic" pills will "cure" us somehow most of the time they don't even "HELP"!!??...they NEVER have and NEVER WILL!! our chronic diseases are caused by chronic "abnormal" behaviors whether it's our diet, our environment, or our lack of knowledge, but once we know what is the cause ONLY then can we cure ourselves, no one else no doctor no nurse can cure us WE have to cure ourselves!!

[@kendallkreidell7299]

Been vegan for years and my B12 is great and I don’t supplement.

[@krisfarrugia6490]

@@kendallkreidell7299 please be careful, no B12 supplementation can be potentially dangerous

[@OrionBlaze]

Sure

[@stisca]

​@@kendallkreidell7299 this can work if you eat plenty of fortified foods (typically plant milk and yeast), however it is easier to get wrong. Please know: A) Our B12 stores can sometimes last for years, so not having issues for years is not good evidence it won't be one a problem in the future. B) While a low B12 blood test dies indicate serious issues, serious issues don't always show up as low B12

[@-hobby-4039]

Many studies about the vegan diet's healthiness don't account for the fact that you have to do research about it, lots of research. In the omnivorous diet group there are people who eat mac Donald's every day, people who eat what happens and people who don't really put much time into researching what foods to eat based on their needs. On the other hand when someone chooses to go pescatarian, vegetarian or vegan he has to research about nutrients, about foods available around him, about recipes. The more restrictive the diet, the more research has to be behind it. If anything all the studies in the field show that humans are very very very adaptable, and can live reasonably halthy with almost any kind of diet, people are also different from eachother, for many people a vegan diet leads to many health problems, to others eating meat does, it's people who think in black and white that are the problem in these kinds of discussions.

[@honeyhoney1529]

B12 can be found in the following plant-based foods: fortified nutritional yeast, vegan spreads, fortified plant-based milk, breakfast cereals, and more.

[@judyjohnson9610]

Note "fortified" If we have to fortify many items in out diet is it really the best? Or 'natural'?

[@hoodedfigure1015]

I would really love more data about how one's ancestry changes the benefits of different types of diets. Comparing group that descended from those in areas where meat was more plentiful then plants, vis versa and those with access to a good balance. It would at leas help answer the "are we meant to eat meat" question. If anyone knows of any research on the topic I would love to read it.

[@quackapatth]

i think its been proven already we are meant to be omnivores; so yes we are supposed to, its been linked to doubling the size of the brain when Neanderthals learned to cook meat is what ive heard

[@helRAEzzzer]

To my knowledge, early species of human adding high protein is how our brains evolved so rapidly. It's spoken about on Expedition Unknown - a two part episode about human evolution. I can't remember the episode names, unfortunately.

[@TheKingOfInappropriateComments]

Well that was a clickbait title if I ever seen one.

[@Dr.KyraHankston]

Great Content! I am becoming vegetarian and also you mentioned some of the reasons why I wanted to become a vegetarian also my major is Veterinary Medicine and Specialty would be in zoological medicine.

[@chelleyroberts]

I’m not hearing the costs in greenhouse gasses produced in shipping the foods around. Not all plants needed for a well balanced vegan diet are in the same area. Many have to be transported in. And what about the human cost for poorly treated and under paid farmers in those other locations. These things should be factored in to the environmental cost.

[@poppywilliams3660]

It's still way less

[@karinababy6557]

Thank you Asap science 🙏 ❤ there are so many anti vegan videos on youtube right now and as a non vegan im looking at making some big changes for my health and my conscious

[@muriloamorim2731]

Good luck! I've been vegan for almost 3 years now, and for me it was actually easier than i expected. You just have to stay informed and keep in mind what are you fighting for and what are you fighting against.

[@yumeko1993]

When even ethical vegans like cosmic skeptic have to leave veganism out of health reasons, it's no surprise people will call out the lies spread .

[@vegannegan9652]

​@@yumeko1993 cosmicskeptic quit out of convenience. He had the same health issues before he was vegan.

[@someguy2135]

@@yumeko1993 Cosmic Skeptic still advocates that everyone who doesn't have health problems that prevent them from doing so should eat a fully plant based diet.

[@benlee3071]

no he didn’t he quiet out of it making his symptoms worse. I become ill because of being vegan more people quit veganism then at the rate of people going vegan. because well humans aren’t herbivores but omnivores. if vegan was a good diet the majority of people would be vegan and would be thriving on a vegan diet it might work for the lucky few but I know 100s who have quiet and become really ill and actually nearly died it’s just something humans have never done and it isn’t our biology it’s only a recent thing that’s happening

[@trivikramkavuri]

You missed a vital term DIAAS(Digestible Indispensable Amino Acid Score) which determines the digestibility of protein consumed in human foods, in a nutshell, meat, fish and eggs are a lot higher quality than vegetarian or vegan foods. There's a trend that vegan KZbinrs and influencers started becoming pescatarian, omnivorous due to health complications led because of their vegan diet. I'm not trying to sound pessimist but before going vegan keep this in mind.

[@bcase5328]

It is important for vegetarians to plan their diets well to be nutritionally balanced.

[@wkb81]

I have been vegan for 9 years. Neither I or any vegan I know have protein defficiency.

[@daniellejackson2486]

There’s also a bunch of competitive athletes that are vegan have been for a long time. I have been vegan for 4 years I am athletic muscular, compete in weightlifting and soaring past the omnis in my gym. You can be strong and healthy on vegan diet and save animals too!

[@primodernious]

calcium is usually found in abundance in ground water in much larger quantities than any food source.

[@simont6439]

It's an _assumption_ that we've eaten meat for millions of years, as is also the "hunter-gatherer" term. In climates abundant with fruits and crops it is not given that humans had any practical need for meat. Our omnivore habits may be a result of traveling and exploring the planet in less hospital climates.

[@sabine6844]

I've been vegan for almost 8 years now, best decision I've ever made

[@zombiedad]

Always good stuff. You forgot the the impact of ‘I feel better about myself as a human being! ‘ gained as a result of going vegan. This has improved my self worth and therefore improved my relationships. Improved my health anxiety and reduced my candy intake too.

[@Tdx21]

this is all based on perspective and doesnt represent any group in any way at all. I have no intention of going Vegan as animal based products just taste so good to me. I love a good piece of steak etc. yet I do not consider myself any less of a human being for doing so. I fully understand the consequences of eating meat, yet for the same reason people dont stop driving their cars, using their cellphones, pretty much doing anything that requires fossil fuels to be produced and so on, I also am not going to stop eating meat unless my health absolutely requires it

[@zombiedad]

@@Tdx21 lol. Yep. One of the flaws of being human.

[@Einstein-wasnt-all-that-smart]

You may not consider yourself as less of a human, but if you know the impact of meat, it can still feel good to stop (or even just reduce) its consumption. That's not to say it's easy, but I do think that this still applies

[@Einstein-wasnt-all-that-smart]

Somewhat unrelated: The reason people use cars is not because they are efficient intrinsically, but because our cities are designed in such a way that they are the fastest mode of transportation. In countries like the Netherlands, cars are less common, because of city design. Comparing this to meat consumption is interesting, but I'm too lazy to think about it right now so idk if it's a good comparison

[@gldnkltz101]

@@Tdx21 it would be really difficult to give up cell phones or driving in cars! Going vegan or vegan-ish is really not that tough :)

[@mariosioannistsourous3473]

Quite a misleading title, yet an overall very good synthesis of data concerning veganism.

[@Yintendo]

i am a vegan for almost 2 decades now and i do not have a B12 deficiency and do not take any B supplements. i consume *non-fortified* nutritional yeast and other fermented items, eat a variety of whole foods, and typically steer away from processed sugars and foods including fake meats (i do love to eat chips though). i am not a nutritionist and could be wrong, but from my understanding, B12 autorenews in our body and the key to good B12 levels is actually a healthy gut flora. *i have an Autoimmune Disorder so i get comprehensive blood work every 6 weeks. my doctor knows i am vegan and assumed i am supplementing B12. said it was perfect. 😌 he also said he is jealous of my cholesterol and at this rate will never get diabetes even though it runs rampant in my family. 💁🏻‍♀️ i just wanted to share those details because i thought it was a really well done video, however i don't agree with the way they cast the B12 issue. i actually know someone that has a really bad issue with B12 deficiency and she is an avid meat eater...loves steaks. yet she has to constantly get B injections 💉 per doctors orders. 🤷🏻‍♀️