The Biggest Lie in Powerscaling

[@soliduswolf1214]

55 year old overweight american tier😭😭😭

[@poochersmontgomery8825]

I always thought street tier had to do with the localization of threat they encounter. Like where they focus the efforts on thr day to day. I never thought this was a power scaling thing.

[@chopstyx141]

Same

[@josesosa3337]

Same.

[@catmario-_3170]

Same here

[@jeremymorris345]

Kinda same

[@docblade3270]

Yeah, they care of normal people's treats(mostly), thieves, mob, superhuman villains, not cosmic scale uber creatures that can destroy the universe!

[@lake_cooper]

Spider-Man, more than anyone, gets underrated. Besides holding back his strength and punches, his Spidey sense alone sets him apart. Being one of the ten, or so, smartest minds comes in handy too.

[@wahrsaga3684]

I feel a lot of people in the powerscaling community have a hard time understanding the difference between AP and DC. "Street" tier humans in Marvel and DC consistently fight cosmic beings. They don't physically destroy planets and celestial bodies but they have the AP/Durability to fight characters who can. You can't call these outliers when nearly every form of super hero media have these characters perform these feats.

[@lukayaroslav9914]

Saying that "street" tier characters can blow up planets because they defeated opponents who can do that is like saying that an anti-air missile can destroy a large city completely just because it took down a jet with a nuke.

[@michaelgarcia5680]

I love how characters like Captain America, Spider Man, and Black Panther are all labeled as street tier despite the fact they have done stuff like destroying big tanks, thrown punches that shake the city block they’re on, and stopped creatures as big as rhinos and dinosaurs.

[@thermonwilliams1579]

To be fair mid teir and higher characters usually do more impressive stuff like showing the power to wipe out city's, countries and planets. They definitely cant do that but have shown to be able to at least up up a fight with beings who can.

[@SkeetWeet4368]

those are all street-wall level feats and btw all 3 of the characters you mentioned are almost always scaled to at least building level and i've seen spider man get consistently scaled to country level , multi-continental and planetary .

[@kenj0165]

The street's can be wild.

[@Everydayartist12]

Spiderman and bp sure but when has cap ever punched someone and shook the street

[@michaelgarcia5680]

@@Everydayartist12he has fought them before meaning he should be able to preform similar feats.

[@ThePlatinumWav3]

Spider-Man can canonically KO a T-Rex. There’s no way he’s “street level.” This isn’t canon but in the Marvel vs DC crossover series Peter defeated Superboy

[@yarc9]

Superboy Conner Kent is the weakest kryptonian

[@wallsterrence]

Actually that wasn't Peter it was ben reilly

[@ThePlatinumWav3]

@@wallsterrence Oh! My mistake

[@kendallhenderson]

But wouldn’t Peter just scale to that because Ben Reilly is still his clone after all

[@alexrobinet7576]

Even if its not peter that is still a big holyshit moment.

[@JustSomeGuy440]

A series on scaling comic “street tiers” would be cool

[@168door7]

Nah real shit

[@lukaslambs5780]

I’ve been guilty of this myself many times and your videos have helped point out my inconsistency on that. I still think it’s incredibly stupid that human characters can have light speed combat feets. I also think a lot of feets are realistically the result of writers not thinking about the full implications of what they write their characters doing.

[@gameinsane4718]

This reminds me of the Pokémon anime where Ash is seen, often casually, picking up Pokémon that canonically weigh way more than even most adults would realistically struggle to lift (let alone carry)

[@150Hello]

That's what I've been thinking. We read for the stroyline and for entertainment so when it turns into a debate and we go back to look at the feats I'm just like "wtf, why do so many of these humans that just workout have such ridiculous feats" 😅 I think it's a combination of "Peak Human" not meaning the same as what it does to us and the writers not being scientists to realize the absurdity of what they describe 😅

[@PrinceKelify]

This is a really good topic. It's crazy, cause a few days ago, i was thinking about a captain America comic I read in the early 90's were he put ran a point blank explosion via multiple backflips. I don't remember what comic it was. I only remember he went into a building looking for red skull but found a bomb instead.

[@ronwisegamgee]

There was a tabletop roleplaying game (no longer in production) called the Marvel Superheroes Adventure Game that used cards instead of dice. In this game, a hero's hand size (the maximum number of cards a player controlling that hero had in their hand) was a rough representation of a character's experience, with smaller hand sizes representing heroes wet behind the ears and larger hand sizes representing heroes who've been around the block (with Cpt. America having the largest hand size of all the heroes that were statted out). The more cards a player had in their hand, the more options they had whenever they were when tackling challenges and the longer they can typically last in a fight before going down, which seems to represent how things go in the comics.

[@thebatmanofneo-gotham5667]

Frankly, all this video does is expose how messy, convoluted, and ridiculous power scaling can be. Especially in regards to characters who are only classed as peak human or low-tier superhuman. Like, for example, Batman was able to survive being slammed into a wall by Darkseid, the same Darkseid who could consistently react to Immeasurable speed-level beings like Superman and threaten the DC Multiverse just by falling. And since power scalers often argue that Durability equals a character's AP, wouldn't that mean that Batman is Multiversal in AP and Immeasurable in speed? Moments like that just ruin what makes certain characters special, in my opinion. A character that is often labeled as being in peak human condition being able to tank an attack that could level spacetime continuums just doesn't add up. It's a case of character feats giving the middle finger to the lore surrounding them.

[@slthjawa5062gggghhjjjjjkkkk]

That's one thing I hate about that story from years ago where Thor rules Asgard but becomes unworthy of mjolnir because he became a tyrant and killed Donald Blake. During the flashback to the day the avengers attacked, captain America attacks Thor and actually affects Thor. He kicked Thor at one point and knocked him back. If anything, if cap lands an attack on Thor, his limbs should snap like in the Deadpool movie when Deadpool hits Colossus.

[@thebatmanofneo-gotham5667]

@@slthjawa5062gggghhjjjjjkkkk Oh yeah, I remember what story you're talking about. That moment makes no sense at all. Even normal Thor was stated to have shattered the roots of Yggdrasil, a multiverse-level construct that exists in all planes of reality, yet Captain America can physically stagger a Thor that's more powerful than that? How does that work? So what, does Cap have Multiversal AP like Batman apparently does? Can he two-piece-combo the likes of Omni-Man and Invincible? I really don't understand it.

[@greyish7212]

Another problem is that even the whole "Batman might be weak but he is smart" doesn't work because nearly everyone with superspeed has increased intelligence, there are literal cyborgs and sentient robots with computer brains and telepaths have increased capabilities as well. We either make Batman completely irrelevant because Flash/Supe/WW/Martian can just learn half the scientific stuff Batman knows in half a day and they can learn martial arts faster purely because they can practice 100 000 punches a day instead of 1000. In another scenario we say that Batman is indeed equal to others, but that paints superhumans in bad light because those seemingly altruistic characters for some reasons don't bother to realise their potential even if that means saving more lives

[@blueninja4615]

​@@thebatmanofneo-gotham5667 I haven't read the comic your talking about, but, I'm sure darkseid wasn't going all out when he slammed batman. I hope.

[@thebatmanofneo-gotham5667]

@@blueninja4615 I'm hoping that as well. Either that, or at least Batman wore a suit that temporarily enhanced his durability. Who knows?

[@monke4163]

I feel like when it comes to this people even though they do this feats the story is actively not trying to scale them to the feats no matter how "consistently" they seem to do them. Only in some rare occasions where the writer's just go "yes".

[@UnexpectedWonder]

I hate the "Street Level" as a long-time Powerscaler myself. Preach, Brother. Preach! Peak Human and other Comics Lunacy I've addressed myself. The sheer disrespect and Bias is utter Nonsense. 👊👊✊✊👏👏👏 They're Superhuman!

[@marvelous971-j6m]

When Capitan American has multiple universe plus feats. power scaling community 😠 When goku gets one feat of universe plus scaling. Power scaling community 😃

[@BSJINTHEHOUSE420]

Street level is literally punching above your own weight.

[@charlesthigpen8849]

I love how much they push this street level shit. Spidey and Luke can tassel with the hulk, the thing, etc but apparently that don’t amount to much.

[@moonknight4053]

Well that doesn’t mean those guys are planetary lol

[@JustSomeGuy440]

Parker literally beefs with beings spiritually & conceptually tied to shit like the multiversal web of fate & the Animus Energies of the world, dudes that can box with Hulk & Thing, and literal Omega level characters (was revealed that Hydroman in theory had infinite power, was a universal medium, and was Omega level……..He deadass just didn’t know he was that powerful) Street tier is a bullshit term

[@JustSomeGuy440]

@@moonknight4053Parker literally has taken hits from characters vastly above planetary ap, and has hurt/staggered those with durability also vastly above planetary

[@MattyGears1583]

@@JustSomeGuy440 That’s honestly P.I.S. Regular Spider-Man isn’t punching a fucking planet away Lmao.

[@JustSomeGuy440]

@@MattyGears1583 He’s literally hurt & staggered those with durability vastly above planetary with his raw ap You’re only paying attention to flashy area of effect “big boom boom” feats, not raw attack potency

[@mongooseunleashed]

Luke Cage is street tier. Let that sink in...

[@lightspaceman5064]

Street level was never supposed to be used as a scaling term in the first place as far as I know. Stories are street level, not characters. And it’s not a hard rule for the characters. Batman and Spiderman are “Street level” because they fight a lot of bank robbers and mobsters. But if you put them in space they’ll figure it out just fine. Cap was never street level, he fights the highest level villains and leads the most important team in Marvel. If he could fly no one would call him that. Is Iron Man street level because he’s “just a human”? No. Is Wolverine not street level because he has powers? No, but it depends. The best thing you said in this video though is that Marvel and DC don’t operate on the same level as the real world. Thinking they’re just earth with some extra shit on top of them has led to a bunch of wrong ideas. They’re urban fantasy worlds where all the laws of physics are different. And “peak human” means you’re stronger, faster or smarter that any real person can be without having powers.

[@superbad8008]

I think the best way to fix this would be to make the tier system slightly more complicated. Because while these “street” tiers can box with planet busters, anyone reading a comic stating Cap or spiderman is “planet tier” would understandably assume that means they can destroy planets. There should be a “Combat Skill” tier and “Attack Potency” tier to judge them.

[@kazukiifn7417]

Agreed

[@metallicsnake.]

"the Galaxy is just another neighborhood that a crime fighter has to Patrol" Green Lantern

[@tvytytanooki]

Totally agree with you that most if not all of the characters named are grossly underrated. I typically look at “street tier” as them being able to regulate or destroy a city block through their conventional means. But even with that definition there is a lot more to it.

[@monkiyaz]

I’ve always wondered how Spider-Man could lift well over 100 tonnes on numerous occasions , despite being considered a 10 ton lifter by Marvel…

[@moonknight4053]

Marvel usually says 20 tons, they also say hulk lifts well over 100 tons. Does hulk even have any lifting feats that exceed planetary? Hulks poorly written his scaling is all over the place.

[@manomarmanomar5344]

Adrenaline?

[@dbears1603]

I was talking about that with my bro and I found some stuff that has him up to 15 but I mostly think it adrenaline like when people say parent would be able to push or pick up heavy objects off their kids to save them

[@Idlemage]

Spiderman street level The same spiderman that outmanuvered the avengers and two xmen using the damn phoenix force!! 😂

[@Hops_Wrld]

“Goku got caught off guard by a heart attack” 💀💀💀

[@thermonwilliams1579]

Its a little weird having this conversation because on one hand, street tier characters are limited to wall to city block range they one the other hand they can hurt and take hits and keep up with beings who are much higher than that. I guess its its whatever that fits with the stories I guess

[@jocoolshow]

DC vs AP

[@sgc591]

Literally 90% of “street tiers” have literally fought and or beaten characters that scale absolutely low balled Multiversal+ to Outerversal, and with infinite-Irrelevant speed feats and scaling.

[@jackmakila3776]

That's comics bro

[@animeandtokuallstarx]

I'm been watching your videos. You did a good job at power scaling and you are one my inspiration for me to do power scaling

[@TariqTheGuy]

From what I have seen batman is the biggest victim of this I have seen people dismiss whole arguments because he is just "human" But Spiderman i have never actually seen anyone call him that

[@qdontae6]

I get annoyed when ppl say Spider-Man street level when he can make the hulk at least feel his punch

[@FrancisL4D]

Dr Goons Debunking the street level alegations🗿

[@TyeGraybill-um4do]

The VS Battle Wiki: “I didn’t do it”

[@gotanygrapes2471]

That comment section off the Cap v Regular Saiyain was wild! This video was necessary.

[@davontihoward9038]

What a hero! I swear basically everyone interested in power scaling has pondered the "street level" lie.

[@Majinbeck_exe]

Batman being “peak human” is the biggest lie in comics

[@IvanMoncure]

Intent matters a lot. Batman and Spider-man aren’t intended to be planetary, they’re meant to get shot and killed by normal bullets if they don’t do their cool aesthetic dodges and counters

[@Linklex7]

So doesn’t Captain America and Doctor Strange. They can be shot and killed by a bullet. It happened to Captain America

[@bobopatchnosuke229]

Great video as usual💯, This other common lie is that DC/Marvel is strong because of how long it has been running, some verses will never catch up to Marvel/DC because of the way the writer structured the cosmology in their own verse.

[@jordanhudson1929]

This is a good point cuz even characters people consider as "weak" have numerous feats of them going far above what a normal human can do and/or beating characters far stronger than them. I think one thing that makes them hard to scale is how they will sometimes beat very strong characters but lose to another "normal" human For example Hawkeye has been thrown by an enraged She Hulk and walked it off like it wasn't anything but being dazed for a sec he's also one shot Mr.Negative a spider man villain, or hurt Venom with a head but he's taken down characters like the Collector and done damage to characters like Nightmare or Nyx etc. Then there are times when a regular person punches him and he'll bleed and/or get knocked out or he'll fight another street tier and win/lose. Another example could be Bullseye, who's been able to hurt (at least once I think) the Juggernaut but also can be knocked out by Daredevil another "normal" human That's not to mention the times characters like Black Widow, Green Arrow, Nightwing, any of the robins, deadshot deathstroke, taskmaster etc. have done shit like this. And then there are more popular "street tier" characters like the ones mentioned in this video who have even more of these outrageous feats who will then lose to characters seen as even weaker than them. It's all kinda confusing at a certain point

[@dbears1603]

Facts they ignore the stats they gave us about the characters for the storyline. So these supposedly peak human or low lv superhuman characters have feats that put them up in the mid to high tier range

[@davidogundipe808]

I'm happy you're dispelling the b.s, people have about so called street tier fighters.

[@Theblobmma]

The biggest hole is power scaling is they treat reaction and combat speed as one when they don’t directly translate in so many instances, it’s just used to downscale and downplay speedsters

[@FloralHaze]

This video reminds me why you’re my favourite power scaler. Great discussion/critical thinking about the topic

[@takatotakasui8307]

Big man tackling the hard questions in powerscaling

[@josephdent6825]

Nah real talk we definitely need you to do that scaling video for “” Street tiers””. Because the downplay for them is crazy, so seeing a video giving them the proper respect they deserve would be dope to see.

[@Gemcitylex]

Anyone who has read at least one run of Spider-Man comics knows that Spidey is only “Street Level” in the way of who he specifically protects. Spider-Man is a street-level hero because he focuses mainly on smaller scale crime fighting.

[@Linklex7]

But when Doctor Octopus shows up it usually becomes a “Spider-Man must save the world”. Same with Batman. He only really protects Gotham until Ra’s Al Ghul shows up. Same with Daredevil. When the Hand shows up, Daredevil has to save the world.

[@g98744]

U are reviving and leading our True Community From toxic haters

[@mr.voidout4739]

I think they can only be defined by a particular run. The arguments can really only defined by context. If it's Gotham Knights or The Defenders, then their runs would define them as urban tier.

[@markstriker925]

People like Rocky Balboa and John Wick are the real street level. Not these Marvel/DC comics boyz 😂😂

[@Rabbitron]

Batman survived a dive from space. So hes minimum dinosaur-extinction level tier.

[@Left-sh1db]

Street level in my eyes was more o g a narrative term rather than a scaling of one, like to me a street level hero is a hero that deals with well, problems on the street like gangs thugs, mafia bosses and the like. As opposed to super world ending galactic threats. For example, luke cage is a street level hero while someone like Richard Ryder isn’t

[@silvertongue.242_99]

Regular humans in avatar can just tank rocks to the chest and survive

[@spartancypher6412]

Batman fell from space in his normal suit that’s not street tier

[@bantuboi3131]

I feel like this video was in response to a comment on a poll with Cap vs. Saiyans. That was something else to say the least....

[@Dsmooth753youtube]

The power may be street level but the haxs are planet level.

[@overdrivety]

So..batman is like large building level to city block and captain America is like large city level? And other weaker street tir heros and villains are like small building level plus?

[@madslayer4197]

I was wondering when we'd get into this

[@Perbweezy]

As a Batman fan and debater this is one of the most annoying things I have to deal with, phrases like “he’s just human” is so annoying and I’m glad you brought up appeal to reality cause it happens all the time. Btw imo Batman is one of the strongest characters out there and no he doesn’t need prep time at all and anyone who uses prep time as a argument for Batman I always shut them up cause it’s disrespectful to Batman. Also cap being planetary is bare minimum but I think something people have to understand is just because his ap is planetary doesn’t mean he has the destructive capabilities to destroy a planet, big difference there just thought I’d point it out.

[@josephdent6825]

I feel you bro

[@lightspaceman5064]

Yup. You ever notice that we don’t really have words for above street tier? Like sky level or cosmic/space level? It’s not a scaling term like planetary. “Street level” doesn’t tell you anything about how powerful a character is. Some times Hulk is street level because Joe Fixit is a mob enforcer. Batman is street level until he’s fighting a world ending threat and he’s just fine doing it. People just use it wrong.

[@josephdent6825]

⁠​⁠@@lightspaceman5064yeah, we’re going to need a new term for characters who clearly aren’t Street Level. because they’ve shown for decades that Street Level, isn’t the right place for them at all, and they need to be placed way higher than that.

[@eem2wavy133]

@@josephdent6825 batman is like the clearest definition of a what a street lvl character should be lol.

[@chuxkp7512]

Agreed. Whenever I hear that statement about Batman I immediately start with “u prob don’t actually read Batman” then I proceeded with countless examples of how Batman is far from just human and how it’s been consistently shown for years

[@Ishigami96]

I find it funny that especially when dealing with characters from DC and Marvel when scaled in comparison to their verse is drastically different when you apply crossverse for DC humans in DC are literally multiversal via the micro verse or for Marvel humans literally being linked to the cosmic cube scale them well above most people coupled with some crazy feats from characters like batman spiderman wolverine and mfs like Deathstroke or your black panthers who literally deal with characters well above multiversal to the point u can argue characters like batman spiderman wolverine who are known to hold bk a lot are high outer irrelevant speed it actually crazy

[@lucaiacob6206]

Kingpin be throwing hands with everybody and plotting with some of the most capable people in the verse but people still think of him as a regular human 😮‍💨

[@JustSomeGuy440]

Parker isn’t even confident he can take too many serious hits from Kingpin, and when you look at what that man’s walked off over the years that’s saying something Not to mention Fisk boxed up a Doom Bot, and rocked an off guard Joe Fixit (Fisk said Joe caught him off guard those other times, and had no idea how strong he really is)

[@lucaiacob6206]

@@JustSomeGuy440 kingpin once killed a demon with just a punch 🤣 also, he fought Spider-man once for 6 straight hours

[@JustSomeGuy440]

@@lucaiacob6206 Fisk is more raw than people think. That motherfucker literally almost mauled Winter Soldier to death while sleepwalking. He was dreaming of killing Daredevil, while Bucky was just trying to make it out alive

[@bajan71683]

In Back in Black, Spider-Man mopped the floor with Kingpin and grabbed him up by his booby meat.

[@JustSomeGuy440]

@@bajan71683 One instance out of decades of others. Deadass are moments in 616 where Parker hasn’t held back on Fisk, and he was fine. Parker himself has even stated he ain’t confident he could take many serious hits from him, and can get cooked by a blast from his cane

[@orlandobritt1460]

Street level to me is how fast they run your pocket

[@galactusmonitor1977]

Street tier is the worst meta you're right

[@detroitmade6]

I had an argument with somebody about something similar to that. In his mind he believes that just because you beat someone who can destroy a planet doesn't mean your planetary. I'm like bruh what happened to your brain that dont even make.sense 😂😂😂

[@azuresaiyan9005]

Well that person was right, so I don’t know what you’re talking about.Batman beat Superman in TDKR. Is he on Superman’s level?

[@detroitmade6]

@@azuresaiyan9005 I'm not talking about somebody like Batman

[@azuresaiyan9005]

@@detroitmade6it doesn’t matter because the rhetoric you’re using is that someone is X level because they beat someone who is on that level, which is fallacious. What matters is the context not outcome.

[@udonnauchegbu2018]

I think when it comes to comic book characters, they should only be scaled to what's their most consistent AP feats and any other feats should be considered outliers. Like Batman has feats where he is consistently shown to be Large Building Level - Town Level(Town Level might sound absurd but he does have them). So across the board, this is the scale that I expect from him. Sure there are times where he can tank hits from Superman or God tiers of the verse. But these feats are what we would usually call outliers. They can even have certain explanations as to why they were able to survive in the first place. And if said feats are less consistent and far less numerous than other feats that are consistent with each other, then we should go with the latter.

[@mjkelly8460]

Yujiro isn't a normal human👿

[@RakaiThwei]

So... where would the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles fit in? Especially the original Mirage TMNT?

[@fxman9071]

🤔😅❤

[@nicholasaugello2534]

I have no idea on the upper limits of TMNT scaling

[@Incredible_805]

I consider “street tier” characters a jack of all trades

[@carlallen9371]

I always associate the street-level label with verisimilitude much more than power scaling. Like Daredevil is more street-level than spider-man or batman is street-level even though he can defeat superman who could also be considered street level in the sense that he chooses to be a human living a street-level life in metropolis. Iron man/ avengers: International, GotG/captain marvel: planetary, doctor strange: magic. Silver-surfer/Galactus: cosmic. More genre than power scale.

[@carlallen9371]

Genre describing the relative verisimilitude of a characters' world and the levels of playing field they typically operate on, Rather than a specific power scale.

[@carlallen9371]

I wouldn't necessarily advise a person to collect a street-level character if it is more cosmos-based material they enjoy reading, for example.

[@Thebestleaderinfiction]

Batman can’t beat Superman he only has a chance against Superman because Superman lets Batman win and doesn’t want to hurt or kill Batman because they are best friends Batman himself has admitted that and Superman has actually defeated Batman more times than Batman beat him in the comics I’m pretty sure. Superman still defeated Batman when Batman had the justice buster armor on and the justice buster is literally designed to beat the justice league and even without Superman the final batsuit struggled to beat the justice league and Superman wasn’t there with the league to help lol.

[@Wilde316]

There's a difference that nobody talks about, Captain America is Peak Human POTENTIAL, not peak human. Captain America is the absolute best we as humans can ever potentially reach. This was displayed decades ago when the only human on earth that didn't evolve was when exposed to the High Evolutionaries evolution bomb was Captain America, he stayed the same. Other beings evolved further down the scale but he was basically a genetic dead end because he had nowhere else to go. Peak Potential means the best we can ever be, while peak human is the best we can be at present.

[@BloodBathhhh]

Sonic vs Kirby ?

[@Hexlessness]

The idea of anti-feats is really kinda dumb

[@nicholasaugello2534]

Agreed 👍

[@coin4898]

I think they are dumb only when its extreme like how people try to argue that superman would get negged by someone like naruto just because he got hurt by a human back in the 90's If an anti feat is some crap like, goku being weaker than a lazer that cant even destroy a planet im not taking that as an actual feat, cause we know goku is well beyond planet level its just downplay at that point @@nicholasaugello2534

[@gamingguru2k6]

Part of the general arrogance from Spider-man is the fact that things so rarely challenge him physically. He constantly holds back day to day. This usually means his potentially is way higher than it's generally portrayed. He could probably dedicate himself to serious training and be a lot closer to being one of the strongest Avengers, but that isn't the kind of character that he general is. He'd rather push himself intellectually when facing problems. He'd rather show empathy when possible and avoid any violence. In some respects Peter Parker is a similar character archetype to someone like Barry Allen/Wally West. I mean in terms of personality. These are the kinds of characters that generally fight at a much lower level, because they are kind, compassionate, and almost pacifistic on a personality level. The Flash is also a Street level hero 90% of the time, we just don't usually see that. It has nothing to do with power and more about personality. A desire to help people on a more direct interpersonal level. The Flash and Spider-man would walk old ladies across the street and save kittens from trees. That's what I mean by them being street level. Power isn't anything to do with that. Of course, these characters have been depicted wildly different ways by many different writers, so I'm sure anyone could find counter evidence to what I'm saying. Even though I'm referring to the more popular depictions of those characters.

[@AtlanteanVanguard]

The writers control tiers and can be story specific😅

[@gabrieltucker801]

Your not wrong they deserve a higher ranking, its funny to seem people go spiderman is just building level as he launchs hulk into the moon or straight but resisting the pull of the sun. I just think there really downplayed in debates and people just forget about them almost interally your right tho

[@bigdiddyzp1762]

Im sure people confuse street tier with being what the character normally deals with. Hawkeye? He has really good aim and is a peak human fighter. No other superpowers, just that. He's a street tier based off pure power, but he can still do crazy shit depending on the circumstances. Calling Batman or Spiderman street tier is wrong, but I understand that when someone says that, they probably mean that those characters spend most of their time cleaning up human criminals. Street tier is more of a role in an ecosystem than an actual measure I think.

[@BigSirSplash]

Hawkeye shot a celestial and ran down on multiple phoenix 5 members

[@bigdiddyzp1762]

@@BigSirSplash See? Classic street tier activity

[@Sjono]

Is that My Hero Academia music I hear in the background

[@emmanueldedmon6690]

Great video

[@rickrivers2021]

The biggest lie in powerscaling is that feats are so important in the first place imo. Raw stats like strength and durability are fun, but they don't always capture what the character is about. Cap being able to take a hit from Hulk or dodge a bullet at point blank range may have occurred many times, but that's the result of being written by dozens and dozens of writers (of varying quality) over 80 years. Cap isn't a great character bc his raw speed, strength, and durability, but bc of his technical and intelligent fighting skill backed up with his insane courage, determination, and leadership qualities. If he were to win a fight against a non-street level character, it shouldn't be by some raw stat feat, but through outthinking his enemy and makingbthebright decision every time while his opponent fails to. Any writer who fails to do this and instead decides he can just KO Green Goblin is missing the point of Cap, and as a result anyone who takes this feslat with no regards to context and takes him to be Green Goblin's equivalent statwise likewise misses the point. Powerscaling lacks nuance and just takes things as presented. But the question isn't who *would* win, but rather who *should*. That means looking at what the character is supposed to be, not the ridiculous variety of stuff that happened in comics and selecting the ones that support your guy winning

[@akeemreese1050]

In justice league vs Godzilla vs kong comic , one of Superman’s weaknesses is concentrated radiation. That’s why this one be an easy fight for him.

[@smileytlj23]

Captain America : "Street Tier" Also Captain America : Adapting to, Learning and overpowering Kang an avengers level threat and his centuries advanced martial arts. Spun the block on his future hands

[@ChampionProductionsYT]

You should do the scaling "street tiers" series starting with Spider-Man

[@forestgrumpy119]

Could you do punisher vs rambo and kingpin vs joker?

[@ZCommander]

Spider-Man is only categorized as a ‘street tier’ because he wants to be. He wants to be the friendly neighborhood Spider-Man and take down people like the vulture. When he wants to, it is shown repeatedly that base Spider-Man is above base iron man most of the time. Wolverine beats the hulk on numerous occasions and Deadpool beat Thanos. Thus, they are in the same category as Spider-Man of only being street tier for the sake of the story.

[@Ishigami96]

not true tbh spidey while holding bk has done stuff to prove he was never just street tier

[@moonknight4053]

Spidey at best probly is a city buster with his attack potency, his durability is probly around caps.

[@asterix1912]

​@@moonknight4053it's greater than Cap's

[@kamolhasan5411]

False not above Base Iron Man

[@kamolhasan5411]

Stop downplaying Iron Man jeez

[@nealpeck9929]

I Highly Agree To Label Them That Way Is Wrong

[@hulksmash2780]

The writer does have power scanning in mind with these characters. The baki universe is ridiculous. These guys have superhuman techniques and attack potency but they don't have the durability to survive the attack they just used. Or they survive attacks that would have put down another character that has similar abilities and power level. Then you have the problem of one characters equipment vs another. Like is adamantium durable enough to block a lightsaber. Or can a force user cut through wolverine in one strike using the force. This is why like the boys ,invincible and anime because they show what would happen in a fight to the death.

[@jocoolshow]

People take the term ‘Peak Human’ and automatically apply it to irl humans. Not knowing DC has peak human at the level of Karate Kid and what not. And it’s a sort of internet bias against Comics compared to other mediums like say…anime/manga. In One Punch Man, peak human would be someone on the level of Flashy Flash. In Baki, peak human would be Yujiro. In Kengan Omega, peak human would be like…Ohma or Raian etc Edit: I just got to the part where you also made this argument right when I posted it lmao

[@revenantronin8377]

The even bigger lie is "verse equalization". 😂

[@Dinoman-mo7mt]

I think consistent is a precentage because if they have 1 appearance they won't have many feats but when they have been around since the 60s let alone earlier you will have way to many feats especially when also considering the low level stuff

[@NA-lf6ik]

Marvel humans are wild. I’m sure even normal DC humans are wild too.

[@alexrobinet7576]

I am hype for cap vs average saiyan.

[@lukayaroslav9914]

Saying that "street" level characters can blow up planets because they defeated opponents who can do that is like saying that an anti-air missile can destroy a large city completely just because it took down a jet with a nuke.

[@h3was547]

The term "street tier" actually is a way of stating how the character functions and task in objectives. If the character protects the city, they are Street tier. If they deal in dimensions or incredible threats, they are not Street tier.

[@finnmarr-heenan2397]

It’s more a style of local policing as opposed to the feds . It’s not really a power scaling metric like being a city block level like it’s being mountain level ap

[@davidogundipe808]

Please review issue 2 of justice league vs Godzilla vs Kong.

[@youssefyoussefo8789]

I want the sacred ancestor

[@kenj0165]

Well if they're in Chicago it makes more sense.

[@RunningOnAutopilot]

It is consistent to say dao can fight someone who is planetary but it’s not consistent to say that if someone measured his punches they would come out plantraty

[@TheEndKing]

What if "street level" wasn't a way to denigrate or downgrade characters, but rather a way to indicate the types of stories they are best used for? Even if Captain America has plenty of examples of him beating up powerful creatures, I wouldn't want him to move past "street level", because that human level of concern is an interesting place for him to inhabit. I'm ok with him punching Firelord or teaming with the Avengers, but I wouldn't want him to start hanging out in space, or flying around Olympus.

[@BigSirSplash]

His narrative is to be the peak human and lead the avengers

[@TheEndKing]

@@BigSirSplash Sure. But emphasis on "human", not "peak". "Street level" is not a sign of weakness, it's a seal of quality. Besides, they can still do things like lead superhero teams and beat up godly figures, you've already proven that with this video.

[@Zadoksta]

I agree with calling these characters just street level, they are obviously Wall+. Kidding, but the TRUE REASON why they are called Street level in the first place is because most of the time characters like Spider-Man fight people like petty robber and military goons, same thing with Batman fighting time crooks, Superhumans and Peak Humans most of the time

[@Zadoksta]

This is not taking in account one-timers, miscellaneous and their overall rogues gallery.

[@justintime2461]

I've always considered street tiers to be within Vs Battles Wiki's mention of Tier 9. In terms of speed, probably superhuman, to supersonic, with bullets, moving as a blur, or at the speed of sound usually being considered an impressive feat in these kinds of verses. 🤔

[@mahoganydoughnut6082]

I always considered "street level" characters as characters who fill a niche in a superhero ecosystem rather than a powerscalling teir. The problem i see is that there is a "generally" agreed apon set of rules for vs debating and powerscaling that the stories people wright dont consider or play by. Its trying to make every different verse fit in the same mold.

[@medi0cre_pr0ducti0ns6]

5:55 Vs battles wiki be like

[@NMbones98]

Batman can literally eat more than any human in modern day that alone should prove hes not a regular human bro lol 🤣