The Biggest Lie In Turkey Hunting

The biggest lie in turkey hunting is optimizing your choke tube and turkey ammo for long range hunting. Whether you are using Winchester Long Beard lead or Federal, Apex, BOSS, HEVI-Shot, or other TSS ammunition, the average range turkeys are shot is 20-30 yards. So, working to get extremely tight patterns and high pattern density at 40-50 yards is the wrong place to focus. People are spending a lot of money on ultra tight turkey chokes and buying boxes of them to get extremely tight patterns at max range, but it ends up hurting the hunters with more missed birds. Turkeys are moving targets and shotgun shooting and mounting positions are compromised when shooting from the ground which can throw your shot off by a few inches, causing you to miss if the pattern is too tight.
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Shots do take place at extreme ranges of 50 or 60 yards sometimes but that is maybe 10% of shots, and to make those shots, many hunters have patterns so tight that they miss the turkeys at 20 yards or closer maybe 30% of the time. It is much better to engineer patterns with lots of margin of error at regular ranges, with still some long-range capability, than to focus everything on extreme range. That is costing hunters more gobblers than it gains them. Instead of buying 30 ultra long-range choke tubes, you probably only need about 3, one for short range, medium, and long range. This is across the board for Carlson's chokes, Muller chokes, Patternmaster, Indian Creek, and many others. #turkeyhunting #gobblers
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[@johnwest2396]

I ALWAYS said "turkey Loads" is a huge marketing scam.... I have taken several Toms As well as Hens. And I have never used a so called Turkey load. I use a 28 gauge. And just plain #6 or even 7.5 shot. With factory full choke. I have even taken turkeys with #9 basic Lead target load, As well as Cheap steel shot Using modified choke.. However with that being said I have not taken a Turkey over 22 yds..

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

#7.5 is as deadly as TSS within 25 yards!

[@rodneyharouff5739]

just about all loads are @25 yds.@@TheNewHuntersGuide

[@-B_G-]

Interesting. Do you hunt from a blind with decoys?

[@robertstinauer8789]

I agree with most of your points in this video. I've been hunting t 13:40 urkeys for over 30 years. My go to is 3.5 in. Hevi Shot 4s with a factory full choke. I missed birds when I went to extra full tubes as you said. To tell a novice to use a IC choke and trap loads is just poor advice and it's wrong. Turkeys are so large they look like they are close at 50 yds. You should have also mentioned the red dot sights to improve your kill rate. You had them in your gear list but not in the video. You hit the nail on the head about gun alignment from a sitting position.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thank you!@@robertstinauer8789

[@timg7627]

Well said. Most Marketing and some KZbinrs would have people believe turkeys are wearing level 3 armor. 🤣

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Haha!

[@bossgobbler2]

Best of both worlds! O/U shotgun, Top barrel loaded with TSS & tight choke for 35 yards to 65 yards shots, bottom barrel loaded with cheap#6 lead loads & mod or improved cylinder choke for 30 yards and under.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

That really is a good setup right there. I'd like to try it.

[@bossgobbler2]

@@TheNewHuntersGuideBuilding one now. Mossberg Silver reserve eventide 20gauge

[@outdoorsstuffwithlouis]

Yup. Two turkey gun in one

[@phillipjohnson5053]

I do this when I take the over under to the woods

[@mcwilliams4546]

That’s my setup. Works great

[@NorthRiverGuide]

Another good informative video George. I have some boxes of old game loads prior to ammunition companies removing turkey from the suggested load chart on the back of the box. Sure it is fun stretching limitations as i also have long range turkey setups, but within 30yds a #6 game load in 12ga is fine with a full choke. The last few toms I've shot were with a cylinder bore flintlock with plain lead #6. A load that doesn't hold a candle to a 12ga target load, and has a comparable effective range as a 410 #8 target load.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thanks!

[@joesmuckatelli895]

George, You Sir have balls of Steel. I sincerely Appreciate your Honesty and Expertise. Your Videos are packed with Great Advice. Best Wishes, and God Bless.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thanks so much! I just finished the ammo test video that backs this one up, should post in a few weeks.

[@dannybyrdjr919]

Preach it brother!! As usual another great video! Keep em coming 👍

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thank you so much!

[@Alex-ol5pk]

PELLETS IN THE BREAST MEAT GEORGE!!😂 feel like that could have been a sienfeld line.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Hahahaha

[@brandonurbaniak1890]

I load my TSS to how you are talking about. I love those open patterns at 20-40 yards but still enough to tag one at 50-60 yards. I need all the margin of error I can get. 😂

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Preach it!

[@mussersbowsboatsandscience6610]

Excellent channel! I happen to have Ph.D. too. Just one turkey this season over two weekends in MO.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thanks!

[@flatlanderoutdoors2549]

No truer words spoken, thanks for making this vid 👊🏻

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thanks for watching!

[@crustymarine86]

I buy the cheapest box and my mossberg 500 doesnt even have the threading for a choke. I still tag out

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Awesome!

[@georgeclark6629]

His comments/observations are very true. People tend to get caught up in all the new technology and marketing videos, etc. A good example is the 6.5 creedmoor for hunting. It only has a slight advantage at ranges exceeding 300 yds when similar established cartridges out perform it at hunting distances. Companies made a lot of money on the 6.5. I have missed many turkeys at close range by being over choked, but there have been times when I needed a rifle. Tight patterns need exceptional sights and a steady hand to assure you are on target. Really like this guy!

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thank you so much!

[@user-pp2sz7uf9u]

Outstanding video! Great Job!

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thank you so much!

[@TheCarolinacadmanOutdoors]

Great video sir, I agree 100 percent!

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thank you so much!

[@TheJookie26]

missed my first thunder chicken at 18yo. Havent missed since. im 46 now. only took 3 past 30yards. many different gun choke and ammo combos. If your equipment works properly then it ALL about the person behind the trigger. From skills to decision making turkey hunting is dynamic.

[@jonathanhoward1497]

Ok, i’ve had a chance to watch the video and I agree. Two days ago I was in Cabela’s looking for turkey shells. I couldn’t help but think that this is BS went to the other end of the aisle and got a box of number 6’s, two and three-quarter inches long. I wouldn’t say I’m a turkey killer, but I’ve shot a couple with a Remington duplex load, 4x6, just 2 3/4 “ in length. I remember buying that box in 91 when I was discharged from the Army. They patterned great. I was always curious if they patterned so well due to the fact that there were fewer pellets in the load and that may lead to less deformation of the pellets as well as an easier time getting through the choke.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

They probably won't pattern like a turkey load, but at regular ranges, you should be golden. Maybe better at close range!

[@Bert889]

Thanks again for your myth-busting George. Your comment regarding follow-the-money is money! Regarding hissing about pellets in breast meat, thanks for the idea. Next duck season I’m only taking head shots…green heads only of course. 😊

[@jonathanhoward1497]

Imagine watching a turkey hunting video on another channel and then getting a notification this has just dropped. Yes, the pause button was immediately hit and I came straight over here. clearly I don’t know what you’re going to say. However, you haven’t let me down yet with great content. I’m sure this will be another great one also.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Well, what did you think after watching?

[@badendings1733]

those old lead loads work. Im a big fan of #4 and #5 lead in double x, super x or just remington nitros. and they make fine 40 yard shells with right choke load combo. Good video and great point, we all get caught up in the next best things! I know guys around here that in the 80s-90s used #2 lead and would neck/body shoot turkeys. I have handloaded #3 nickel plated lead, It hits them like a ton of bricks. and the turkey eats just the same! there is no shot size restriction in my state by the way.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thanks so much!

[@muddybadgers5205]

I really like everything you had to say. I followed the hype and got a Carlson long beard XR choke for my long beard XR ammo. It made really tight patterns. But this year, just to try it out, I put up some patterns with the long beard XR ammo and my pattern master code black goose choke. Long story short, that gave me more consistent patterns even though they weren't quite as tight. There was a lot less holes and groups in the patterns. It's very possible to overdo the choke

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thanks! I have a video coming testing the Long Beard XR with a Cylinder choke to show what it'll do. Should be interesting.

[@FDRGREG]

Sounds like Truth! Thank You.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thanks for watching.

[@subdawg1331]

OK awesome and thanks ... nailed it... dang we think alike at times.... well said

[@warbirdflyerF4U]

I personally have a 3 and a half inch Browning pump gun And yes I use a full choke With Winchester number 5 double X. But I also put my decoys at 30 yd and yes I have on occasion had to take a second shot after they got to 40 But I have rarely ever not gotten the bird And have actually taken one with that setup out to 68 yd Which is crazy But still did it 😊 I still fall hunt with my 3 inch Browning 12 gauge Where we flush the birds Using a modified choke For a better fast pattern 2 different guns 2 different scenarios Thanks for your great videos I just subscribed

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thank you so much! Having multiple guns for different use cases can be awesome. I have a video coming about that very thing.

[@timgossett2150]

My cousin and my son bought the song beard rounds this year. But they ended up going with winchester cheap turkey loads.

[@thomasburns4034]

Great insight again !!

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thanks so much!

[@timwagenmanuplandadventure8270]

I mostly upland bird hunt but I agree, the only time I change out my chokes is if I’m hunting ruffed grouse and woodcock, I’ll shoot improved cylinder for that otherwise I shoot #5 Boss shortys out in the prairies for everything else all year with a modified choke , late season too, no issues. New sub.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thanks so much!

[@brenthussey2348]

I like the implication of tss for something like a .410 for youth - and in my case i couldnt get my grandpas old single shot 20 gauge with factory full choke to pattern any ammo past 35 yards effectively, so i switched to tss. Ironically, i shot my first turkey with it with tss #7s at like 17 yards. Now i inherited a 1980s mossberg 500 with 20" barrel. Bought an on sale carlson choke, paid $20 with tax for longbeard xr #5s and it shoots well enough out to 50 yards that i can confidently blame myself if i ever miss.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Very nice!

[@gregrandolph7601]

Amen brother, that will preach, I like your way of thinking.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thanks so much!

[@Off-target-xy6bx]

When I started down the it needs to be a tighter pattern road I was taking turkeys with a regular full choke gun without changeable chokes. I missed a few but wasn’t the guns fault. Then I got Turkey chokes and a gun that would stack em a lot tighter out to 50 yards or so. I started missing those close range shots where they just come up over a crest in the hill inside 30 yards. I can say I’ve missed more close birds because of the tighter patterns than I’ve ever gotten at farther ranges because of the tighter pattern. Maybe that isn’t the case for everyone but has been for me. To each their own. Happy hunting 😊

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thanks for sharing!

[@aaronhall765]

I couldn't bring myself to finish the video. When you stated 400 in 10". Ive been at this since the 80's. When 5 Copper in the head and neck. However I'm thankful for today's technology. I've been using Heavyshot for over 20 years. For its superior patterns and killing power at my 40 yard range. Its in the basic hunters safety course. Use the best patterns for your gun.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Which HEVI shot?

[@2Boutdoors]

what shot size ?

[@aaronhall765]

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[@mattgohlke8216]

Think he was being sarcastic...

[@jnie370]

Great Point. Close range too tight of a pattern

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thank you!

[@outdoorswithroostercurrie6984]

Well spoken my friend.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thanks so much!

[@johntandy8918]

Great advice George 👍🏻 and use a double trigger sxs, old school

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Nice! Thanks.

[@bent5434]

My biggest turkey hunting lie is saying I’ll never get into it. Still waiting to make it a lie. Great video as always!

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

This could be your year! It's not too late!

[@bent5434]

Also I really enjoyed your muller podcast, I think everyone would appreciate more guest podcasts in addition to the normal solo podcasts

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thanks so much! I can try to work more in. It's a lot more work to do guest shows. It's tough to get motivated lol@@bent5434

[@bent5434]

@@TheNewHuntersGuide as always your efforts are immensely appreciated

[@JeffreyWalker-zl9dx]

I said this 30 years ago myself. It's addictive!!!

[@mattsweet7918]

George, the $64,000 question is what choke and shell/load do you use for the majority of your turkey hunting. Agree 100% with what you said. You can’t beat common sense combined with data and logical reasoning. Thanks for sharing.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

I'll answer that question in next week's video when I test 7 different TSS loads!

[@ZEEKUPP]

Most of my turkeys are in the 15-to 30-yard range. I use an Ithaca Mag-10 with a fixed full choke, not because it is a big gun, but because it happens to fit me better than my other shotguns, enabling me to hit what I am shooting at. Also, I am currently using magnum lead #4 loads, but this is because I had purchased a lot of 10-gauge shells that included old lead waterfowl shells that are banned from waterfowl use now. It was hard to beat $90.00 for ten boxes of 10-gauge ammo. One thing That puzzles me is when I see a hunting show and they miss the turkey and all the way out there to 60 yards the hunter keeps missing as he keeps aiming for the head. If that happens to me the body is going to get some pellets in it.

[@tommyj1811]

Great commentary

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thank you!

[@craigkowalczyk3516]

I get what you saying. But I’ll stay with my patternmaster and TSS.

[@mulcahy123]

I have a KS7 and Keltec doesn't play well with others. They have to have chokes specifically made for the KSG/KS7, and the only one that i know that does that is Hi Tech CC, i only have 3 chokes (skeet, turkey, deer)

[@PonderosaOutdoors-20-gauge]

Good video and analysis. Two key points to note, however, that may conflict legally with the advice provided in this video. In the jurisdiction (Quebec, Canada) I reside and hunt in, Full chokes are legally the minimum requirement to hunt turkeys, with Turkey chokes being recommended. Conservation Officers can and will check your chokes if you encounter them in the field. Also, legal shot size for turkey hunting in my jurisdiction must be between #4 and #7 shot, and specifically excludes 7.5 or smaller. So be very aware of your jurisdiction's legal requirements before implementing some of the advice provided here.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Wow I have never heard of choke tube restrictions before. Shot size yes, but not chokes. Always good advice

[@MikeJones-im7ki]

I think it's great you're doing a great job

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thanks so much!

[@pamelapelech3249]

Good info

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thanks!

[@blakehowland7468]

Breath of fresh air! We share the same spirit animal lol. I have been banging on the PRS craze in the centerfires rifle 'long range' hunting arena in exactly the same way. It's a marketing machine for money, nothing more. The dollars pouring into it is identical. But there are natural laws/limits that govern the actual hunting and killing that cannot be breached by dollars, ffp mil 3 lb scopes, 10 round chassis horsesh1t rigs lol. It is a money from wallet separating operation, case closed. Keep up the good work! My 940 18.5" turkey pro should be here within days, the Holosun EPS green mrs is already here lol. Heck I may even have to go find my first turkey because of it but bought it for fun, bear/camp defence, and coyote/wolf calling so most likely will be running an IC or M although I've ordered IC, M, F for it. My own patterning will commence, and slugs too as surely it must fill a deer tag also. ;)

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Awesome. Thank you so much!

[@harvey_the_rabbit]

Amen Professor!

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thanks!

[@leroyhill6555]

I love this video

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thank you!

[@rogerhook8002]

You've got a point! However, TSS has a valuable place. I've been around the turkey woods fifty years and watched the trends from ten gauge, to 3.5 inch shells, etc. I've lugged heavy shotguns for more years than I care to recall. Hunting style comes into play. I'd rather stay home than sit in a blind over decoys, although many hunters need to hunt that way and enjoy it. I've walked over twenty miles in one day hunting in the Western turkey haunts. What TSS does is open the door to sub shotguns. One can set up a single barrel in 20 gauge, and probably in 410 gauge, and be as effective as a heavy 10 gauge with long barrels loaded in lead loads. To each his own. There is a place for TSS because it is a game changer. Necessary? Of course not. It is, however, a great load for sub shotguns and opens many doors. I've toyed with the idea of a double barrel with one loaded for long distance and one for short distance. The issue I've run into is mounting a red dot, which is a requirement for my turkey gun. Additionally, there is the issue of both barrels hitting close to the same. I'm waiting for a shotgun company to recognize the value of TSS in a double 20 with a real mounting position for a red dot. I'll be the first customer. I'm aware of everything on the market and there are a couple of heavy 12 gauge turkey shotguns set up for a red dot...there are none in the sub guns. Heck I'd buy the 28 gauge.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Oh, I still use TSS myself, I'm just not using the tightest choke money can buy. You are absolutely correct with the sub gauges. No doubt.

[@harrypeterson9287]

The nephew uses his old two triggered over under with a TSS shell for long shots in one barrel and a much cheaper 3 inch #2 steel waterfowl shell for the rest. He uses the same setup for road hunting grouse and rabbit too. It works for him, I guess. It just seems goofy to me.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

I might not use the steel shell but I like the idea of a cheap load for close shots.

[@harrypeterson9287]

@@TheNewHuntersGuide It's the same steel load he uses for geese and duck. He bought I think 2,500 shells.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Haha, well you gotta use it up then.@@harrypeterson9287

[@user-tv8bf5xd6u]

You said it brother!

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thanks!

[@burkejones8277]

I think the podcast you did with the Muller guy was excellent. I have killed a ton of turkeys over the years, and I bet 90% or more were less than 40 yards. If they were over 40, it was because I misjudged the distance.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thanks so much! It's good to have margin, because judging distance can be real tough in the middle of a hunt.

[@burkejones8277]

@@TheNewHuntersGuide I have made some monumental errors in judging distance in fields. But I feel the extreme efficiency I used to have is coming back to me this season. It has only left me a few times, but when it’s gone, it is gone. 😂

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

HAHA, I've done it to!@@burkejones8277

[@johnbalasa711]

I agree 100% present.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thanks so much!

[@chrismcneil5543]

I could not agree more bro - the main reason for higher pellet counts are to impress consumers and raise an unreasonable standard and for "insurance" when people try to take turkeys and rediculous ranges. Pattern density drops of DRASTICALLY per 10 yards especially 50 and beyond. They are going bigger just to one up themselves. The ONLY reason for a 40 yards and in turkey hunter to insist on these insane patterns would be to wack a coyote or hog (larger game) incidentally while turkey hunting. Otherwise it is over-kill and a waste of money.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

True story. Thanks!

[@bdlit7165]

My cousins regularly have turkeys inside 15yd

[@dangernetzke9487]

Very smart I am but absolutely got sucked into it. They got their money from me! Now I reload duplex tss/steel loads with a cylinder choke for around $1.50/shot and I shoot comfortably out to 35 yards which is all I need. Thanks for speaking the truth!!!!

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thank you!

[@2Boutdoors]

what size shot ?

[@theguyinmaine]

I used my single shot 20 ga. Stevens my dad bought me 60 years ago with 2 3/4" number 6, never lost one. Bow hunt no blind now. Give them a chance. Two toms last year at 12 feet. All are 20 yards and under. Much more rewarding and sporting.

[@Jonhuntandfish]

Nice! What kind of broadhead do you use and where do you aim? Never killed one with a bow.

[@theguyinmaine]

@@Jonhuntandfish G5 Montec Carbon. The best. Incredibly sharp, the point enters where it hits, small shank, very nice taper for no resistance. They are tough even after a pass through and they're in the dirt and rocks. Front between the waddle and the beard. Side high in the gold patch. Rear tail up in the bullseye, tail down between the shoulder blades. The feathers are tough and resistant, a G5 carbon will cut the feathers unlike mechanicals that push through or bounce out.

[@Jonhuntandfish]

@@theguyinmaine nice thanks for the info brother, good luck this season.

[@sheethneaffer8614]

I think it's all about location. I hunt around a lot of feilds. Those birds are hard to get close. They like to hang up in the middle of the feild at about 80-100 yards. Most turkeys that I've killed, I coaxed them over a small hill. I only killed one turkey within 40 yards. They just don't come close to me where I hunt. Long range chokes, barrels, and ammo really make a difference for me. It's all about perspective I guess.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Well for you, a long range setup makes plenty of sense for sure.

[@nacetucker4939]

I agree with you I done been lied to tbh

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thanks!

[@michaeldaltonsr8954]

BRO!! I'M WIDJYA!! 50Years of hunting turkey! Last 35 years listening to the marketing crap of which you speak! I have studied/researched bbl lengths/vs "backbore"/ different types of fixed choke/POLY-CHOKE( MY FAV)/ SHOT-STRING vs PANCAKE PATTERN/EVEN...developing my own theory( provable: if ANY ONE PELLET DEVIATES 1/32 of an inch from dead center exiting bbl/ it can be off as much as 1.5FEET@48 yds!!) Multiplied by particular number of pellets in particular load, and it creates a possibility of consistant misses. Which is why I love muh poly-choke; screw open if Tom is running in/screw tight iffen he "hang's up"!!😅

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thanks!

[@longridgearchery]

The same can be said about duck hunting loads and chokes

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Yes it can! I already made that episode awhile back. But I don't think it's as big of a problem with waterfowl hunting. In turkey hunting, its an endless fixation. Waterfowl hunters have lots of other issues they are wrestling with at the same time lol.

[@longridgearchery]

Yeah waterfowl can be tricky when you can be dealing with birds from teal to geese in the same hunt.

[@dbcooper7477]

I've said this for years. These ultra full chokes will definitely make you miss inside 25 yards.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thank you!

[@kentuckythunderoutdoors1846]

I’m pretty skeptical about that considering how many older generations of turkey hunters like Tom Kelly that talk about having to run and get a turkey before it flys off because of the type of loads you describe. And how many turkeys 🦃 were saved by not coming in that extra few yards.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

You can take bad shots and long shots with any load. They will all produce poor results. But missing at close range because you choked for 50 yards is just as easy a way fail at taking the bird home.

[@barrymcguyer6206]

I don't Turkey hunt, but I will watch this!

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thanks so much!

[@christinamoneyhan5688]

Old John is right it just took him a few years to figure out what most of us already knew. I have been telling hunters the exact same thing for 50 years. Oops I just hinted to my age.

[@tonybrooks3248]

I'm using a old single shot 16 GA. With no4 , old school , will I get my turkey who cares , it's just being in nature and enjoying the day

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

There ya go!

[@wolvesnight]

I walked away from lead shot...why ? Because TSS is more effective patterns and it handles long range shots if needed...but if your patient and give the bird a chance to work its way to you a long range shot isnt needed . If it dont happen today u have tomorrow....its how it works. Enjoy the hunt first the kill will come. Just be patient... Apex TSS is bomb....!!¡

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

I also use TSS, take every advantage you can, but choke for the shots that make sense for you. Not what what marketing says you should l.

[@robbyrutledge905]

Yea this year at 7 yards a bird of lifetime and missed a good gun but just plainly to tight of pattern.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Yea, sorry to hear it.

[@robbyrutledge905]

@@TheNewHuntersGuide yea me too,not missed in a while

[@apoc8265]

im new to turkey hunting my first hunt is in few days, I've been doing alot of research and i actually started laughing at some of these video's, ty for honesty... i started going down that rabbit hole in the very beginning but pulled myself out and questioned why? ... keep it simple!!! i hope i made the right choice lol

[@jerrodladner3019]

I kill my limit every year. I have not missed a year in 20 plus years. Someyears i go out of state and most time get my limit there also. With all that being said the gun i use is a mod 12 winchester with nitro remington 6 and i keep a longbeard 6 in my pocket for a 45 to 50 yard hung up field bird.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Nice!

[@timgossett2150]

My cousin has always said what your talking about.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thanks!

[@richardgray59]

I agree

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thanks!

[@gregfalde7250]

You don't need $500 in decoys either.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

That is the truth!

[@steemerxaxon1643]

Ive NEVER used Anything more than a STANDARD FULL CHOKE & not many times use a 3" Cartridge But a 2.75" # 6 High Brass will kill ANYTHING up to 50 yards!!!

[@2Boutdoors]

what about close range (10-25 yards)

[@davidchumley2666]

I shoot TSS and a full choke (not x full) from my 20ga. It has a pattern at 20yds that is bigger than a paper plate but still plenty dense to be very deadly at 50 yards and further. All the extra pellets in TSS allow for the more open pattern and still be able to kill reliably at distance. Are they expensive? Yes. Do I need them most of the time? No, first turkey I killed with TSS was from a 3.5" 12ga at about 6 yards, my phone tagged the picture of his head as an octopus... Let's be real though... you get up at 4am every day, spend lots of time driving and lots of money on gas, perhaps spend money on a lease, walk miles on end up and down hills, when a turkey is standing there, I don't care if the shell costs $50 as long as it works. It is a drop in the bucket.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Agreed. Check out the video I did yesterday on how outrageously effective tss is through even a cylinder choke.

[@Jonhuntandfish]

I use 3.5" tss because they dont sell 4" platinum shells

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Sure, but how do they kill a turkey any dealer than 2.75" 20 gause tss?

[@critter852004]

Unfortunately, in my state they’re going to eventually outlaw lead ammo when hunting. It’ll force hunters to buy TSS and Bismuth.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Which state?

[@critter852004]

@@TheNewHuntersGuide NY

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

@@critter852004 ah, ok. Yea, that sounds right.

[@jrjones437]

I started turkey hunting 25 years ago it was unsung I would go in the hunting stores and they would be like what is that now every one an they grandma is turkey hunting it’s become a internet bore

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

What state?

[@togo3624]

100% correct.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thank you!

[@togo3624]

That being said, Im a fan of federal flight control wads.

[@TDINWY]

BLASPHEMY!!!!!! 😆🤣😆🤣😆🤣😆

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

HAHA

[@JohnHoard-xz5pw]

For a minute there i thought you knew what you were talking about....Man, was I disappointed!

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Tell me, if you disagree so vehemently with the viewpoints expressed in this video, assuming you watched it all and got the total picture, what ironclad information are you basing your position on? Why do you think laser tight long-range patterns are advantageous for the average turkey hunter? I am systematically analyzing the market trends, advertising, media, hunting history, and social media reverberations across platforms to conclude that the status quo is driven primarily by corporate greed that drives hundreds of strategic highly crafted messages bombarding hunters constant telling them what they should want and buy. And every person I talk to, who has hunter more than a couple years will privately, though often not publicly, share numerous accounts of birds they have missed at close and regular ranges because they were choked and setup for long range. I've also ran the ballistics on pellet energy, size, and density, along with having done 50-ish field tests with patterning/ballistics gel across multiple spheres of shotgun hunting that support my conclusions here. I may not be right about all of my points. But is it not possible that there is more to this than you're convinced of also?

[@josephjenkins8305]

Its honestly all just a big hype im guilty of buying tss and trying it out of my two 870 set ups ive killed a few with it but me personally i switched back too lead number 5s and keep my set ups simple

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Nothing wrong with trying stuff. My goal is to get get people to so their own thinking, testing, and trying, based on what works for them.

[@michaelcurtis8114]

Have you ever seen pellets push feathers into the breast meat. I have.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

No, but I can believe it. I've seen pellets pull stuff into gel before.

[@heyman6010]

I never see anyone tell the truth about pews,chokes and patterns. Fact is::: no two pews pattern the same!! You can have the same two pews same chokes Different patterns Just because it patterns good for your favorite uTuber Doesn’t mean it will do the same on yours!! Same goes for loads. They all shoot different in different pews and chokes. Moral of the story. It’s cheaper to buy a choke and see what it likes Not buy your favorite load and buy 10 chokes for it. Every load will fly different from the same brand and model of chokes and pews. Experiment for yourself what works best…… for you!!!!!

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

I did a whole video on that! Titled what is the best choke tube.

[@jeffholland3439]

3 inch Remington Nitro loads 4 shot are bad ass loads! Yes my chokes are extra full,I can kill them at 40 yards no problem,let me see you do that with two and three quarter inch 7 shot.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

#7 target loads are good to about 30 yards. They are insufficient at 40. I would pick them over the Nitro's though, they don't patten for anything in my gun with any choke I've tried. But glad to hear they work well for you.

[@f2foutdoors]

Most people miss because they are impatient and take shots they shouldn’t. Hunt with what your gun came with. Don’t over think it.

[@JeffreyWalker-zl9dx]

I dont care much about the shot. The problem is finding a good secluded place to hunt. Lol

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

That probably makes alot more difference.

[@rodneyharouff5739]

this stuff is good for the people who don't know.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Which is way too many people today unfortunately...

[@rodneyharouff5739]

yep. i think from watchin' all the turkey vids, there's young people comin' in more & more. some'a them youngins i've seen were born hunters & could talk turkey w/men who know.@@TheNewHuntersGuide

[@steemerxaxon1643]

Those that get suckered in the TSS OVERPRICED...No better than a High Power 2.75" Cartridge... Waste alot of money!!!

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Well, there are benefits to long-range potential, but at close range, one is as good as the other.

[@MulletDestructur]

If your pattern is that large you’re liable to kill more than one bird with your shot.

[@chrisdregne2404]

I shoot a lot at turkey targets, you are completely crazy. The right choke,load ,in the right gun, produces unbelievable patterns at 25 yards. I have three different guns ,2 12s , and one 20 gauge. Different chokes,loads, and the 25 yard result is not a four inch circle. You are leading people down the wrong road. Turkey hunters are dumb if you don't use all the tools available to us. The chokes ,loads, and targets today make for outstanding turkey lethality. Please don't listen to this guy.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

I think you are missing the point. IF you choke for ultra long range, your short range patterns are poor. That's the gist of it. It's obviously true. I have many paper targets that demonstrate it.

[@EugeneZdankiewicz]

Where did you get the number 400 pellets in a 10-inch circle the only number I have ever heard is 100 pellets in a 10 inch circle As a standard minimum Maybe you should look over your shoulder to see who's following the money to you. just sayin

[@doneime875]

I don't disagree with you at all. And, I have killed many, many turkeys with what used to be simply labeled "magnum rounds, or high brass... There were NO "turkey loads". They worked perfectly fine. Turkeys aren't hard to kill. At all. They're hard to get a shot at and hit but they die quite easily.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

That is the truth for sure.

[@rickvann3489]

WHOA! Then what the HELL are we supposed to spend our Money on and then what U Tube channels are we to watch? As Sheldon says I hate change. Keep'em tight

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

I dunno, save your money, invest it, retire early, then hunt more.

[@rickvann3489]

@@TheNewHuntersGuide sounds good

[@taylorharbin3948]

Tell us how you really feel, lol

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Haha

[@Harmjass]

Or buy a bow and practice being a better hunter

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

I have alot of respect for people who hunt turkeys on wild land with a bow. That's certainly not viable for new hunters.

[@rayleonard21]

Completely disagree. No one has ever said you needed 400 pellets in a 10” circle. This is a marketing ploy to get clicks. Nice job dude

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Really? You don't see the hundreds of pieces of content and posts across KZbin, TV, and Facebook urging all turkey hunters toward the tightest possible patterns at range? And promising all manner of chokes, ammos, and guns that can help provide that ultra tight pattern? The pressure from media is second only to the peer pressure of thousands of people arguing for patterns and posting pictures of impossible patterns. It's overwhelming.

[@rayleonard21]

No, and I started hunting just as TSS was beginning to gain traction with hand loaders, this has been since 2011. During all the converstations there has not been one time I heard anyone talk about 400 pellets in a 10" circle, it's always been 100. Now, are there folks that strive for super tight patterns, sure, but I haven't ever heard that from a TV personality or any conversation at NWTF conventions or even on Old Gobbler. @@TheNewHuntersGuide

[@robert4027]

FACTORY MADE TURKEY LOADS ARE A JOKE. total rip-off

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Are you hinting at hand loads being better?

[@robert4027]

@@TheNewHuntersGuide ohh yes and cheaper 👍👍 great video and information by the way

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Thank you!@@robert4027

[@stevenleahy5941]

Annoying…all talk…back it up with data…show me…back up your assertions.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Wow, people leave the most inconsiderate comments on Easter and Christmas, I don't know what it is. But it's almost guaranteed. The first half of your comment is uncalled for. Out of bounds. The second half is fair, and I plan to do a field test video on the subject, but I've been hindered by weather and funerals.

[@robertsandidge441]

Now this is just me but I prefer to call my Toms in to me as close as I can get him. For me it’s not the killing it’s the hunt and the pursuit the skill and being in my Colorado Mountains. The ENTIRE EXPERIENCE.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

Nice, thanks!

[@jessegraddick7327]

You should take on the 6.5 creed more fad.

[@TheNewHuntersGuide]

That one is harder to test. You need alot more money and ballistics gel to catch rifle rounds. But I'd like to.

[@veteranironoutdoors8320]

Its been mainstream for over a decade, pretty sure its not a fad bud.