The Biggest Lore Reveal in FNAF HISTORY!!! | Freddy Fazbear Pizza Podcast

[@justarookieartist]

"There's a non-zero chance, as far as I'm aware, that Cassidy is the name of Henry's daughter" YOU AREN'T WRONG AND IT SCARES ME

[@Melpomirror]

I haven't watched the full episode yet but I find it really funny how I was just talking with friends about how Charlotte/Charlie was never confirmed to be the name of Henry/Tape Man's kid and how I would find it hilarious if Cassidy was actually the name of his daughter just to see how (or if it would) affect who people think The One You Should Not Have Killed is. And now Rye is bringing this possibility up in a podcast video... This is beautiful

[@WemissM1a]

@@Melpomirror I'm sorry but what about the silver eyes trilogy isn't that where we got the name and also William's??

[@dumbly-stupid]

While not non zero I still find it highly unlikely as the name Cassidy is tied to Golden Freddy via the logbook being about finding the name of Golden Freddy

[@pinkcupcake4717]

It would go so hard that Henry's kid is The Vengeful Spirit. Out in that alley, it wasn't a stranger who found her, it was Uncle Mike, an adult she knew and trusted.

[@Maxolotl124]

I was literally JUST thinking about this recently... 😬

[@savnana3605]

Do you mean to tell me these tales came from the pizza plex??? Absolutely wild!

[@EpicMickeyFanOfficial]

this guy Fazbear... he sure gives me a fright

[@noober_isfake]

their eyes... it's like they were made of silver

[@dumbly-stupid]

Those ones they're twisted

[@itsaluzi]

She scrambled the font, now all the ones are... twisted.

[@FreddyFazGlitch]

After counting the closets, I can confirm... this one is the forth.

[@pkmntrainerlilly5]

I actually like Edwin Murray being a canon part of the game series. Since Sister Location, we've all been asking how Afton has a robotics company when Henry was the mechanic from Fredbear's. I like that Henry, while talented, was not an anomaly in the FNNAF universe. Other people, like Edwin Murrary, can do amazing things with robotics too. And with him being so messed up about the death of his wife, I could see Afton hiring him for Afton Robotics and telling him a little bit about his research into remnant and how it connects to life after death to convince him to make Funtime Freddy, Funtime Foxy, with all of their questionable specifications.

[@LadyLuckyLu]

I dig this idea.

[@Starkor990]

Ngl, that would make sense, and we would finally get to see more people being connected with Afton other than Henry.

[@charleswolfe8896]

Does that mean that they could both Bond over the dead Suns both named David

[@LadyLuckyLu]

@@charleswolfe8896 Bro I keep forgetting that there're two dead Davids now. That's funny and so odd at the same time.

[@at_witts_end3470]

It's even more likely MurrayCo becomes Afton Robotics after Edwin goes missing. The update links back to Dittophobia a lot and Jackie is in the private room, implying Mimic1 has a reason to relate the two.

[@rekcroom]

I feel like these reveals are more or less Scott saying “STOP ARGUING TAKE THIS AND LET IT GO.” I’m half waiting for in the secret of the mimic, the mimic itself says “Edwin.” just so there is absolutely irrefutable proof that the two are connected.

[@okquren]

Dude, thank you for pointing out "Charlotte" is never actually mentioned in the games. That shit has been driving me wild for a bit now and I thought I must be crazy but no it's never said from what I've seen, and THAT'S WEIRD RIGHT???

[@EighmyLupin]

I think the really annoying thing is, is that Scott keeps changing the names of characters when they are clearly meant to be alternate versions of the same person. Like we have Elizabeth in the games, but Elenor in the FF books, and both are meant to be Baby's real name. Also Abby in the movies is meant to me a stand-in for Elizabeth. Garret is the crying child stand-in in the movies, but that's most likely not his in game name. Charlie is probably not meant to be in game Henrys kid's name. We've heard Cassidy, Dave and Micheal for the name of the kid(s) in Golden Freddy. Scott reuses names ALL THE TIME, we have so many Jermey for petes sake, but he refuses to use the same name for characters that are obviously meant to be the same person, just in a different universe.

[@dumbly-stupid]

​@@EighmyLupin Eleanor is NOT Baby's real name and she isn't Elizabeth. She's an Agony creature that takes on the appearance of a mannequin that looks like baby

[@okquren]

​@EighmyLupin dude fr, I haven't read many of the books, including the mimic one, so when Rye said Edwins sons name was Dave, I paused to think about exactly that lmao

[@thephoenixrose01250]

Yes I made a video on this her name could be cassidy

[@electrobob992]

@@EighmyLupin Yeah one reason I hope the next game outright confirms that the games and books don't have a 100% exact universe, but a 80% or 60%. Simularity. I thought the whole Afton not possessing the suit, or a playtester PHYSICALLY giving birth to Glitchtrap in the books would have convinced people that the books are not fully canon to the games and vice versa.

[@pasttense69]

My gripe with Charlotte/Charlie not being the name of Henry’s daughter is the books. That’s how we found her name out and it’s the name we’ve ran with for almost a decade now. For her name to not be Charlotte/Charlie in the games would be so insane to me, but not in a good way. That’s the name we have used for years and have essentially coined it to be “cannon” ourselves, so for it to not be her name feels wrong.

[@kingrippzard2027]

I mean it’s just the epitome of Scott’s problem with names with a series that was very much not planned out.

[@gidelix]

it’s “canon”. cannon is a thing that shoots cannon balls.

[@kingrippzard2027]

@ 🤓 Goofy ahh yapper

[@Notjo6200]

If Henry, and William came from the books and have been confirmed canon, and that Elizabeth is the name of William’s daughter in the games and the books; I’m pretty certain Charlie’s the name of Henry’s daughter in the games.

[@thephoenixrose01250]

@@Notjo6200but all those names are confirmed in the games, not charlie

[@AlriikLives]

Imagine if, like, in Security Breach 3 or whatever, we get a friend Animatronic early on, about halfway through we get separated and reunited, we find a massacred endoskeleton lying around, we keep going, and near the end, our friend reveals that he's not our friend, he's the mimic who killed and replaced him during the separation.

[@supermario2044]

That would be dope

[@nanopanda]

As long as the springbaby mpreg thing isnt canon, ill accept anything confirmed 😂

[@OzTheBoss]

There is a non zero chance it may just be, and that is a horror story in itself

[@Trustycyndaquil]

@@OzTheBoss Real ;-;

[@electrobob992]

@@OzTheBoss Well I mean, I am leaning on that not being canon because.. In the games, Afton DIED from being springlocked, while in the books he survived *As a human not a ghost, heavily injured instead*. In the books, the Mimic AI became Glitchtrap. While in the games... Afton learned through his experiments that every piece of a possessed animatronic contain the soul of the kid. Then used that as a way to stay alive. After all Scraptrap had a voiceline in UCN that implies he KNEW the new location was a LIE and planned ahead. Why else would he look so janked in the game world, despite we saw him escape the FNAF 3 fire in one piece? He took himself apart, hid those parts in various places, left a note for Fazbears to find when they planned that AR game to ensure he came back as always. Henry even stated all must burn.

[@GJames-Legend101]

Things I think. 1. Since Glitchtrap is now Supposedly gone Tiger-Rock will take the Mantle of the new Modern Mimic. 2. I think it’s possible that the Fnaf 6 Location was actually once a part of the 1979 Fallfest and I also think it was once Fredbear’s Family Diner at some point. 3. Seeing how the Tiger-Rock Plushie is so important and how in the story Edwin’s son David takes it everywhere he goes I would y be surprised if David’s soul was actually inside of the Tiger-Plush, or perhaps his agony is in it. 4. I personally think that Jackie herself isn’t the Mimic but rather the actual mimic is gonna take Jackie’s Animatronic Suit/Shell and use it to keep itself hidden, it may even be possible that the real Jackie is a nice Animatronic like Glamrock Freddy. 5. In the Talesbook it’s said that Fazbear Entertainment once had an entire line of Mimic Endoskeletons but they were all Decommissioned due to Mimicking humans in ways they weren’t suppose to, perhaps in Secret of the Mimic we will see more than just one Mimic like how in Ruin theirs The OG Mimic and Helpi. 6. Since the GIF shows the mimic in its Costume that we only see in the Scooper Ending could this possibly be implying that the Scooper Ending of Ruin is Canon. 7. I think the Mimic we see in Ruin is a different Mimic than the one from the Epilogues, I think the Mimic in Ruin is the OG Mimic Edwin made meanwhile I think the Epilgoue Mimic is one of the Endoskeletons that Fazbear Entertainment once made.

[@electrobob992]

The only real problem with the Agony aspect, is that Afton wasn't involved until at least 1983, when Fazbears got the rights for Fredbears from the previous owner.. Someone we still know nothing about. *Fnaf2, Night 5 phone call*

[@katsukibakugan9490]

"Are you mad you were wrong?" I'm pretty sure pulling out the Stan Wrong Song directly indicates you were accepting of it.

[@hoppy_boio]

While I’m not entirely against the idea of Cassidy being Henry’s daughter in the games, I think it’s highly unlikely. I understand that the FNaF Encyclopedia isn’t 100% accurate, but it does state that Charlie is the Puppet. While this information should be taken lightly, it’s still a notable point. Another piece of context, albeit minor, is that both Charlie and Cassidy exist in the novel trilogy. Cassidy is an MCI victim, and Charlie is Henry’s daughter. This shows that they can coexist as separate entities. In the game timeline, Henry’s daughter is heavily implied to die earlier than the MCI victims. Evidence for this includes: Henry’s speech in FNaF 6. The "1983" code used to unlock the Puppet doll in Help Wanted 2. Charlie’s death date in the novels. General information that connected to other information released near the same tkme If Charlie’s death occurs in 1983 (as is heavily implied) while the MCI takes place in 1985, it creates a major conflict with the idea of Andrew being a sixth MCI victim (The 6th birthday hat in the ITP game and toy chica the highschool years). If Henry’s daughter is supposed to be Cassidy, which died in 1983, then who is this 6th child in 1985 if Andrew does nothing but fill in as the 5th victim? Additionally, the Security Logbook provides more context. While it’s unconfirmed who the two spirits in the logbook are, the imagery is notable. The gravestone marked “My Name” (presumed to be written by Cassidy) aligns with the unknown gravestones seen in the FNaF 6 ending. This leaves her identity open-ended. However, it’s important to note that The Fourth Closet (TFC) was released the same year as the logbook. Security Logbook: Released in practically right after fnaf 6 The Fourth Closet: Released in June 2018. Both featured the name Cassidy. The Security Logbook leaves the grave’s identity ambiguous, but The Fourth Closet explicitly describes Cassidy as an MCI victim. Furthermore, The Fourth Closet provides details about Charlie’s grave: “Two small, plain tombstones sat together just beside the fence, a telephone pole rising behind them like a sheltering tree. John took a step toward them, then stopped with the sudden feeling that he was being watched. He turned in a slow circle, and then he saw her. She was standing beneath a tree just a few yards away…” This description loosely ties to the gravestone on the hill in FNaF 6. While all the graves in that scene are near the tree, it makes sense that Charlie’s might be secluded from the others. If Cassidy were Henry’s daughter in the games, it would be strange for Scott to reveal her name and then release a piece of media (The Fourth Closet) afterward stating she was part of the MCI if she is supposed to be Henrys daughter in game. Yes, the novel trilogy and game timelines are different continuities, but it feels odd to reuse Cassidy’s name here. Why not use Jeremy, since all Cassidy does is replace his spot snice Michael Brooks is Golden Freddy in this timeline? Furthermore, the timeline of Cassidy’s revelation feels deliberate: 1. Cassidy’s name is revealed in the Security Logbook. 2. The Fourth Closet links Cassidy to the MCI. 3. Ultimate Custom Night (UCN) releases the next day, featuring the Golden Freddy ending. It seems intentional that in the span of three months, we discover Cassidy’s name, connect her to the MCI, and see Golden Freddy twitching in UCN’s ending. UCN and the Seventh Victim In UCN, Toy Chica’s “High School Years” suggests seven victims, with one kept offscreen. The next year, Into the Pit Book releases with later on in fazbear frights, Andrew, a unknown victim of aftons is brought into the spotlight. I believe Andrew might possess another Golden Freddy suit, as multiple suits exist in Fazbear Frights. Alternatively, he could represent Hyper Droid’s theory that Cassidy is set free in UCN, as depicted in the ending cutscene. Finally, regarding the graves in FNaF 6: the grave near the other four MCI victims is covered in grass, rather than having a faded name or being marked with a flower. I believe this isn’t just to obscure the victim’s identity-it symbolizes that the spirit hasn’t been put to rest. Cassidy hasn’t moved on yet. Im still entiretly open to the idea its just the way information is presented at what times that throws me off.

[@pasttense69]

@@hoppy_boio Im glad someone else feels this way. Im personally completely against the idea of Henry’s daughter name being anything but Charlotte/Charlie. It’s the name we’ve ran with for a decade with no other candidates, and NOW we want it to be different? That just feels incredibly wrong and I am not a fan if that’s the direction Scott and Steel Wool are going with her

[@thephoenixrose01250]

I think it was always Scott’s plan. I made a video months ago supporting this and I still do. Cassidy name has many reasons to be the puppet while Charlie has never been in the games. I mean what about ucn app having the mascot being nogjtmarionette!

[@duckman9327]

The solution that hyper droid subscribed to is one that I’ve believed for a while and I think it really is just the easiest solution. Cassidy is 100% golden freddy, and Andrew isn’t. Andrew starts UCN, Cassidy goes to it to try and kill Afton for good, OMC tells her that she shouldn’t keep fighting for her revenge and should instead rest with her friends, so Cassidy drowns herself in the happiest day lake and the final cutscene is that. Cassidy’s soul fading into the afterlife as Andrew continues to torture Afton into Stitchline. UCN ends with Cassidy resting because when we get to The Man In Room 1280, there’s no sign of her. Cassidy is gone, it’s just Andrew and Afton.

[@directorjake]

15:43 THIS there is already a few people attacking each other online for still not fully buying into the idea that the books are 100% canon, we can have different ideas, people aren't "wrong" bc they have a different idea of things.

[@danmakuSuki]

they are wrong if their different idea is not the right one lol. thats just what being wrong means...

[@kingrippzard2027]

@@danmakuSukistand proud, you are weak. You did not cook. Do not pass go do not collect $200.

[@danmakuSuki]

@@kingrippzard2027 :p

[@electrobob992]

I just remember various differences, such as Afton not dying to the springlocks and staying human. Or that whole "Playtester physically gives birth to Glitchtrap in the real world". Both don't exist like that in the games. Not a 100% canon.

[@halfaxle]

19:00 Weird how simulations of minimum wage jobs can be fun but irl they're an actual nightmare

[@agentboi4794]

I think an easier way to explain the whole Gregory way the mimic was trapped for a long time and the epilogue’s saying it was shipped to the pizzaplex is that Gregory is wrong. Like Gregory can only assume that the Mimic was down there for a really long time, so he’s probably seen it but considering that the mimic IS very old he could have easily confused the mimic’s condition being correlated with being down there. He’s seen the mimic and mxes, he knows they look very old and they’re like 4 layers underground so it’s reasonable that he could’ve gotten it confused.

[@electrobob992]

Or the books and games have slightly different lore to keep things from being stale. Heck they might reveal Afton built the mimic in this universe for all we know.

[@CottonCandySharks]

29:10 as an AuDHD, this convo is so real. Gla you're taking care of yourself!

[@GideonWells]

Haven’t seen the update yet, didn’t realize it was coming out so soon until I watched this. I forgot Edwin’s son’s name was David. This video reminding me filled me with dread. Spitballing and making notes as the video plays: * Recent alternative name for the second spirit in Golden Freddy: Dave, an alternative to David. * Mimic copies David. * Helpy, which seems to be a variant, behaves similarly to Fredbear “Golden Freddy” Plushie. * Could Helpy be linked to Fredbear Plush in a similar way Nightmarionne to Puppet? * David dies, goes missing, next to a road. Our second kid of a animatronic engineer and rival to Anton is ended next to a road. * One of the first suggestions of “main continuity Edwin” being a thing is an advert for his tech in the same game that confirmed Afton killed Henry’s daughter. I’m not sure if any of this, or how much, means anything. But, potentially Golden Freddy’s one spirit and Edwin’s son sharing a name opens a lot of settled things for reframing. If you are right about Cassidy being Henry’s daughter, that means Dave is gains some as the GF spirit name solution as Cassidy is now the Puppet.

[@migueldominguez5378]

I also thought that "Dave" could be Edwin's son... but also the crying child, the thing is that I remembered that the crying child was constantly been bullied by his older brother (Michael) who we know for sure is afton's son, so... I left that idea behind

[@CottonCandySharks]

Hate this idea, but pretty sure the original 6 games are the ones made by the "lunatic" Fazbear hired. This new era of games is showing us the "truth". So we're gonna find a lot of parallels because we have to replace everyone we knew with their "real" versions. Dave is the crying child, dying in an accident, which left his father (who we knew as Henry but who is actually Edwin) who created the animatronics in deep grief.

[@wyrdcyko]

Cassidy being game Charlie goes kinda crazy holy shit

[@creekkid42]

i think when gregory said "a really long time" that means since the beginning of the pizzaplex, which lines up with the story. Based on the book stories and all the garbage and weird layers of stuff in security breach, it's possible the pizzaplex has been there in some form for a decade or more

[@Elementroar]

I remember Game Theory was talking about the philosophy in clowning, mainly how there's three main roles/personas that three separate clowns take up - the Whiteface clown is the leader, the Auguste clown as the antithesis to the Whiteface clown, being the bumbler, and the Character clown who GT I believe mistook the purpose of. The Character clown fulfills any particular role a skit needs, basically being a living prop who takes direction. Now in GT's video, it was about the mimic and how the Character clown 'mimics' the Whiteface clown. Like I said, technically not correct but the mimic CAN fulfill the idea of a living prop with no real identity of its own. Plus it wears costumes, like how the Character clown wears diff costumes to fulfill its designated role. It's interesting cos we now have THREE confirmed inventors - Henry, William, and now Edwin. I'm wondering if the three is representing those archetypes took, and it fells it would be Henry = the Whiteface clown, William = the Auguste clown for being his antithesis, and then you have Edwin, who kind of fills in the gaps AND created the Mimic.

[@jaydot.8839]

When you were talking about self care that resonated pretty hard with me cause I’m struggling with the same keep pushing and striving to be better brother

[@peachesandgravyy]

you got this!!

[@pl4t1numVAL]

Can we please shadowban everyone who leaves a bro fell off style comment

[@MidnightMuffin]

And the “KZbin hid this from me for X amount of seconds”

[@jinmorisfatnuts7877]

I agree

[@killmaimflay]

yes god please they are so unfunny it should be grounds for arrest

[@EpicRandomness555]

I saw the comment you were thinking of lol

[@ch0irmast3r]

Things like this remind me of a good bro I once had… he fell off.

[@grandaltis]

Jeez Louise the implications of the tiger plush my brain is gonna blow

[@victorionious]

AS ONE OF THOSE W THE GOOD SENSE TO DO AWAY THE WHOLE NOTION, I SALUTE YOU FOR REFERRING TO US (AT ALL) BUT ESPECIALLY LIKE THAT 😂😂😂 Completely made my night! First time watching your podcast eps so if u do that for all of the intros, double kudos to you 😂😂😂

[@CottonCandySharks]

Rye is NB too!

[@TehJimlad]

I think everyone jumped to "Talesgames confirmed!" a little quickly just because Edwin looks to be canon in the games. Remember that William Afton was first introduced in the novel trilogy. I think a better way of phrasing it would be: "I _looks like_ some of the tales stories are _pretty much_ canon. We know the broad strokes, but I guarantee that Scott/Steelwool will reserve the right to tweak/change details as they see fit (like into the pit story vs game). *MY NAME IS EDWIN. I MADE THE MIMIC.*

[@VeeFerns]

imo the fetch and golden freddy being active at the same time isn't disproving stitchlinegames, it's evidence for golden duo

[@BonnieThebunny7051]

My opinions on the whole book canonicity debate: Tales from the pizzaplex: I'm starting to believe they are in the game continuity because of the white tiger plush in fnaf vr help wanted 2. Fazbear frights: since FNAF return to the pit is coming out soon I've decided I'm just gonna wait for it to come out and then give an answer.

[@EpicMickeyFanOfficial]

yeah im also just waiting on return to the pit

[@scottcockton]

Personally my opinion is until secret of the mimic out i think this confirms that the mimic origins from the books are canon or at least a version of it. Weather it’s the version from the books confirming tales games or a very similar version of it that tweaks some thing a about it so it fits better in the game continuity and gets rid of all the slop and lore ruining stuff. Right now though we wait for the answer

[@WPFLAWLESS]

*chucks BS lore grenade into the fray and F'N runs* Cassie's Dad is Edwin.

[@akinarii1]

INSANE COMMENT

[@jeremymorris345]

I'm still not convinced that the books are 100% canon and more that it's certain aspects happen in games. I say this because Into the Pit the game is not 1 to 1 with Into the Pit the book. This means we can't use Frights as direct evidence for solving that game as the events of Frights follow the book version of Into the Pit. The game version of those other Frights book events could be slightly altered in the games like Into the Pit was. I think the same applies here. There is also the problem of VIP contradicting the events of Storyteller with how the Mimic AI got into the Pizzaplex. There is no giant freaking tree. The Hippo Magnet contradicts and more. So I don't think the books will be 100% canon, but a version of those stories likely did happen in the game continuity. Or at the very least the Edwin stuff.

[@CP-zn2mg]

I strongly believe ITPG is also not in continuity due to there being just a few too many differences from it and fnaf 1, since the fnaf 1 location was almost certainly the location the mci took place in

[@jeremymorris345]

@@CP-zn2mg Actually, the Week Before told us that's not the case. Phone Guy from FNAF 2 directly tells us that FNAF 2 isn't the same location as the MCI. "Uh, now, I want you to forget anything you may have heard about the old location. You know, uh, some people still have a somewhat negative impression of the company. Uh, that old restaurant was kind of left to rot for quite a while, but, I want to reassure you, Fazbear Entertainment is committed to family fun and above all, safety." The Week Before tells us that FNAF 1 is the FNAF 2 building just with renovation. 1. We know from FNAF 2 that they will reopen with a smaller budget and that Ralph will work Night Shift. 2. "You have the layout memorized, even after recent renovations" 3. "It's also company policy to have a security guard posted in each room while the animatronic is present ... But that was before the restaurant closed. Since it reopen the rooms haven't been needed" 4. "Some branches lead to dead ends for no discernable reason while others let out to dusty rooms you don't even recognize. It seems like whole sections of the building have been closed off over the years, or perhaps they were expansion that were abandoned before completion." 5. "'Where is your location?' 'Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza' you say. 'Freddy's I thought that placed closed up. After that horri---' She draws in a shakey breath. 'I didn't take those calls, thankfully, but I heard the recordings and, well it wasn't pretty.'" All of these lines suggest that parts of FNAF 2 were boarded up in order to lower the maintenance of the building. It would also explain the 2 boarded up rooms in Follow Me. We know there is only 1 Saferoom, meaning these 2 were boarded up for a different reason, which this book finally explains. Not to mention the police phone call referring to the Bite of 87 suggesting it's the same location.

[@LadyLuckyLu]

Agreed with everything you said. I look at Tales/Frights the same way I look at the Novels. Stuff that happened there can happen in the games, but not 1 to 1.

[@potatocraft952]

The three was put befkre the pizzaplex opened, not at the same time, is totally belivable that VIP just took place at a time they still didnt built it

[@jeremymorris345]

@@potatocraft952 It still contradicts how the Mimic1 program got in the Pizzaplex.

[@directorjake]

My current question is now: Are only Mimic-related things canon or are all Tales books canon? Because as far as I can tell, there is nothing that specifcally points to all of those books being canon outside of Mimic-related characters Edit: spelling error lol

[@CP-zn2mg]

GGY & dittophobia

[@octonine6212]

It's the Stitchwraith line problem all over again

[@octonine6212]

​@@CP-zn2mg i still don't buy Dittophobia being in gameline honestly.

[@ya_boii_brad3597]

13:38 my KZbin crashed right as you said no, so my phone might be a full book believer

[@EpicRandomness555]

39:55 They are pretty popular even if not mentioned much. Particularly the blue and green one

[@LadyLuckyLu]

I haven't watched the video yet but let me copy paste my thoughts from a previous comment here: Are Tales 100% in continuity with the games? Simple answer, no. Why? Because Tales is tied with Stitchline; Frights' MCI has 6 dead kids instead of 5. Can a character cross from the books to the games? Yes, and has been done before. Does that mean that everything that happens in Tales has to happen EXACTLY the same in the games, or at all? Also no. Again, Henry is a perfect example of this. Henry comes from the novel trilogy; is the Henry from the games like the one in the Novels? Absolutely not. He dies in the book, and in the games he's alive and does PizSim. Does including Henry in the games mean that everything in the novels happen in the games? Once again no. I don't know why people can't look at Frights/Tales the same way we look at the Novel trilogy. They serve to show us what CAN happen in the future games or give you an idea of what's currently happening; or just tell us how stuff works (E.g. remnant/agony) We have to remember that Scott doesn't like spoon feeding us accurate lore. That's what the books are; lore yes, but not a 100% accurate lore. Scott keeps the lore in the books vague/not 100% accurate so we can theorize how they connect to the games, and figure out the lore ourselves. Don't get me wrong, I do believe that the events that happen in Tales/Frights also happen in the games, but not exactly the same.

[@OzTheBoss]

While good points counterargument is there are 6 dead kids (puppet, freddy, bonnie, chica, foxy, and fredbear) and that the ball pit was never accurate to start with because I doubt the agony monster was what did the killing and not stuffing of the bodies. It's a twisted retrospective of what did happen. Are some stories from frieghts 100% non logical no way in any hell fitting with the games? Oh yeah no debate, but stichline has the least amount of issues while not competing with tales for excess space and doesn't conflict the games story in major unexplainable ways (as far as I can recall, there was a LOT of weird stuff there). I'm not the biggest fan of this muself as I spent most of today racking my head about the consequences of it being in the same timeline, but it also makes sense they would want to condense it since we have silver eyes, movies, and atleast 1 games universe already to keep track of. What we have pulled from silver eyes was because it couldn't work in games universe and that was made clear unlike with frieghts or tales.

[@pasttense69]

@@LadyLuckyLu This idea I’m far more content with. It just doesn’t sit right with me having the books be 1:1 with the games. I think we’re kind of jumping the gun in assuming that everything is 100% canon

[@roscoe5427]

@@OzTheBossThere's a pretty deliberate description of both TOYSHK and Andrew(who is meant to be TOYSHK in fazbear frights) and they contradict eachother. TOYSHK in UCN has straight blond hair while andrew has curly black hair. Considering Scott was working on Fazbear Frights(2019) right after UCN(2018) and Andrew is an important character to its overarching story, it's fairly obviously deliberate. It's not a case of Scott forgetting as he used a picture of his son for the image of TOYSHK, and there is no logical reason for him to have changed that within a year or so given it would not change the story. Furthermore, the description of Andrew's hair in The New Kid is meant to juxtapose the "New Kid" in that story as having blond hair. It would not be a case of a writer adding new info, as Scott proofreads and would not let that slip unless he was genuinely intending to change the *only* description of TOYSHK that we have. Again for no reason as it would hold no real change, thus being unnecessary, thus being more trouble than it'd be worth for the next installment in the story directly after TOYSHK's introduction.

[@CarRadio572]

So my current theory is that the choose your own adventure style books count as games. So with a bit of stretching Cassidy is Andrew in the games. As in Cassidy is the daughter of Mrs. Andrews from The Week Before making her name Cassidy Andrews.

[@StepperBox]

Heres my 2 cents on the sealed rooms bit. Because of the accident that happened at circus baby's william ordered the rooms to be "sealed" but gave the contractors instructions to created the walls as a secret door. (Or did it himself idk) so when it comes time for the mci, there is a room perfecr for killing kids! No whitnesses, not on any floor plans, and a staff that denise all knowlege of the room. Doesn't even show up on camera's. So when it comes time to break them down again he uses "familiar tricks" and lures them into the back room where he jumps out and gets them...again. then when he dies, he becomes trapped in there, either because there's no way to open it, the suit can't access it, or folden freddy has disabled the opening mechanism trapping William in a prision of his own creation.

[@Blue_Plushtrap]

i'll give my own personal opinion on theses reveals: i still do not belive that the tales books are part of the game's timeline as we read them. yes, i will admit that parts from those books such as edwin and the mimic existing in game's timeline, but personaly, i fermely belive that it's something along the lines of how we treat the silver eyes trilogy: parts of what we see in tales are canon, but the events we see in tales are diffrent from what happens in the games timeline. so while yes: edwin is in the games contanuity now, and the mimic is tied to a white tiger, that, for me anyways, does not mean that tales, as we read them in the books, are canon. their events can have happened, yes, but i do not belive that they happened 1 to 1.

[@zenvariety9383]

Haven't played the games or read the books, but I think Murray is Henry's surname. The books are in-universe products. Authors or the Mimic01 program fabricated stories to cover up Fazbear's past and address rumors. David Murray is a character based on David Afton, Charlie Emily Murray, and Sammy Murray. So it's likely that Henry created the Mimic to entertain his eldest son Sammy. Sammy almost dies due to a close call. Sammy is unharmed but the Mimic loses it's legs. An upset Henry Murray blames the Mimic for Sammy almost dying. However, Henry's agony transfers into the Mimic. Sometime later Henry Murray creates the Puppet to prevent his second child, Charlie from getting in danger like Sammy did. However, fate dictates that Charlie gets killed by William Afton who is driving a purple car. Not to mention that Dave Afton is known for conversing with the Psychic Friend Fredbear plush, but later gets killed due to accident. Now the Tales of the Pizzaplex story tells a fictional version of what almost happened to Sammy, but included aspects of Charlie's and Dave's deaths into the story itself.

[@Sopsy_Hallow]

i find it so odd how people treat the silver eyes trilogy and the other books. the only time we've had direct confirmation that a book series was not supposed to be used as info for the games was the trilogy. it is literally the only source you CANT use, yet people stick to that one like glue. the other books never had such a statement about them, and debatably have the opposite been said about them, yet they're also seen as "just alternate supporting evidence" its weird

[@Eviyl]

This is such big cope

[@Toaster003]

@@Sopsy_HallowI see all the book series’ in the same way canonicity-wise but I think the novel trilogy just has more useful information.

[@Toaster003]

@@Eviyl No, it’s the usual way that lore is executed in this franchise. Murray and tiger rock being in the games is just like HRY223 and charlotte’s grave being in the games. They confirm things from the books exist in the games, but don’t NECESSARILY confirm the exact events from the book happen in the games.

[@jshtng78]

We have to remember how Scott Cawthorn got started with this entire 'lore' thing. His pre-FNAF games, particularly The Desolate Hope and Chipper and Sons do have deep stories with easter eggs but they are self contained and isolated from other creatives' feedback. Now with an entire fictional universe to work with Scott is exposed to other peoples' takes on his story points that he really REALLY likes but which may not exactly fit with whatever original map he put together when he realized that fans wanted the earlier titles to become a coherent 'Freddyverse'.

[@TG-1176]

The time that clip from (FNAF ruin) gif when given to dawko it's like a slap on the face like saying: Here the ("new" FNAF books) are canon now of the story 😅

[@scribbsthebunny]

Fun thought, While you were explaining how the Tiger rock plush is now in the games canon, it got me thinking, since the Mimic is a Virus, and is in the game's programming, what if it observed these tales about the pizza plex from other people, that the books indeed are canon in the GAMES, but not in the way that we really hoped, this really gets confusing and is a big stretch. But i do like the thought that the mimic is trying to emulate the stories in it's own code, and simulating similar entities and details into the games like Help wanted and such. Key thought being how at the beginning of Help wanted 1, saying that all these events were brought to light by an Indie game developer. Anyways, some food for thought from one of my stray thoughts, Love your theories and how you think and assess the info given in both games and books! Much Love!

[@McCheeseincakes]

I hate to be "that guy", but Steel Wool using book characters does not in any way make the stories from those books canon within the games world 1 to 1. During Scott's interview with Dawko, he made it known that his intentions for Afton's body during Security Breach was to be placed somewhere and obscured for the players to possibly come across, yet the developers at Steel Wool took it upon themselves to make Afton the final boss. Even though this was not Scott's intention, he rolled with the punches and they moved forward with the game SW was developing. I'm sorry but if Scott the head of this entire series was unable to get a very simple intention across to the game developers, then I highly doubt anyone working with Scholastic on these stories are doing or saying any more than Scott is to SW. He's letting creative people play in different sandboxes, and is letting them pick from each other's creativity to move the series forward in different ways. The books use characters created in the games, and the games are using characters created in the books, each are canon to their own lanes, and there is some crossover, but that Afton Security Breach fact alone tells me that they're isn't much conversating between the two outside of what Scott tells them.

[@zenvariety9383]

Not to mention that it's likely that the books are cover stories created by Fazbear Entertainment. I haven't played the games or read the books, but people are taking the Pizzaplex books too literally. Of modern FNAF's theme is AI then isn't obvious that in the game universe that the books were created by an AI? Or at least actual human writers.

[@directorjake]

Yeah, i kinda agree. I mean, William was a book character first before we ever heard his name utterd in the games.

[@superlagbro192]

Honestly, I don't think anyone knows how canon the books are. Scott seems too hands-off and too much of a people pleaser to actually make a decision one way or another, and I doubt SW and scholastic cares enough to cross-reference stuff with each other.

[@McCheeseincakes]

​@@superlagbro192 I think it's a smart idea to have a team of writers cranking out books for the series, it brings new ideas to the table without having to have a massive effect on the series if they are received poorly. Fans should start looking at FNAF the way they do Marvel. There could be a thousand stories about Spider-Man going on at once, all of those stories are canon within their own books, and some ideas from those stories may be plucked to create TV shows, video games, and movies, which is pretty much what FNAF is doing these days, but on a much more relaxed level.

[@EpicRandomness555]

Yeah it’s like saying that because Glamrock Freddy is in the books, the books are canon. Like we could still have the characters but they’re different.

[@Cole_Wiggle]

Is it possible Henry is a place holder for Edwin in the games. We’re getting more and more confirmation that in the in-universe timeline Edwin is canon. The games are literally in-universe video games, is it possibe the true in-universe story was Edwin as the engineer behind fazbear?

[@sleepylmguy9968]

I’m a little skeptical, because let’s be fair how would some of these book stories work along side the games? We have literally Faz-Goo. Mini Sea Bonnies. Another version of Circus Baby. Springtrap coming out of a dude stomach. What the heck Into The Pit SpringBonnie is . Plus a crazy Funtime Freddy with a BonBon with a teenage girl head in it stomach…okay that Funtime Freddy one I can kinda see happening in the game universe. But the rest? Nah, no way.

[@AbsolXGuardian]

Those aren't Tales of the Pizzaplex stories, those are all Fazbear Frights stories. Completely different question.

[@Pheebasaur182]

The thing is that the Fazbear Frights books and Tales from the Pizzaplex books are completely different series, I'm pretty sure nobody is arguing for Frights books being canon seriously with how wild they are, but with the new update it does add evidence to the Tales game theory. The Tales from the Pizzaplex books are much more inline with canon (at least recent canon), and In my opinion I think Scott was referring to Ruin AND the Tales books when he said they were course correcting the story after SB in his last interview.

[@sleepylmguy9968]

@ You see I would give you that…Buuuut. Some of the stories of TFTP aka Tales from the Pizzaplex, kind of reference some stories from Frights. For one example is the story about a Girl who work at a hospital who later gets taken out to a School dance. At that dance it’s later revealed that she is a robot or has a robotic body. Who only appears human due to a necklace. This story is from TFTP but it’s clearly connected to an iconic Frights story which is, To Be Beautiful. So what does that say about the canon?

[@sleepylmguy9968]

@@AbsolXGuardian You have a bit of a point, but I just made another comment in this chain that goes over that. I do want to retype it, but you might want to take a look at it.

[@octonine6212]

​@@Pheebasaur182 nope, people are definitely seriously arguing FrightsGames.

[@deadlyishtar]

Watching this at 25 minutes and hearing that toast will be livestreaming as soon as HW2 update drops. Ok cool I will watch when he starts. Sudden notification toast is live... guess i will wait til im done with this video ... lol

[@AllArtworks]

1:45 I’m happy it has been confirmed finally that Talesgames is canon, I’m just waiting for FLAF to confirm Stitchlinegames now

[@dumplervr3780]

My name is Edwin i built the mimic, i built the mimic

[@EighmyLupin]

I feel like the interactive novels (the true endings at least) and the Pizzaplex books are all canon to the games. The trilogy is its own thing and the Fazbear Freights (unless that are mentioned specifically else where like the "Into The Pit" interactive book and maybe the game) are also their own thing. Which is why we shouldn't assume Charlie is game Henry's daughters name. Especially since it doesn't seem that game daughter has a twin (of course there's the questions on whether Sammy was real or not)

[@TheKatKaiju]

I watched part of your stream on the Help Wanted 2 DLC, hope you feel better soon!

[@blue_lynch]

cassidy being the puppet would also make sense because it would tie in with fnaf world, the puppet HAS BEEN trying to make the crying child move on and would make sense thar part of that is helping him remember his name

[@thephoenixrose01250]

And the night marionette is the mascot of ucn

[@taxpayer1455]

The fun and interesting "Into the pit could be considered canon" vs the daunting and mortifying "In The Flesh could be considered canon"

[@lasercolorblind]

12:02 "the next time we see the mimic it's being shipped to the pizzaplex" wait wasn't it under all the rubble and under the fnaf 6 pizzaria? if it's supposedly down there for so long how is it being shipped once the pizzaplex exists?

[@Flaaffity]

So for me Edwin and Henry both exist. It feels like as a theme, Henry makes stuff that's for people (like spring lock suits being able to be worn ((I have a theory that the suits weren't always dangerous and it was fazbears neglect that lead to them being janky and not caring until it caused property damage))) and that Edwin makes stuff that's designed to fully replace the need for people. Especially with his job being to take the wearable mascot suits and make them into animatronics.

[@jan_harald]

it can make sense that they could have shipped the mimic away somewhere else to be analyzed and copied and enhanced into the mimic2, and then ship back to be locked up and there could have been more than one mimic

[@obsidianstar9089]

NI NO KUNI SHOUT OUT LETS FUCKING GO🗣🗣🔥🔥

[@shon14Z]

1:31 The previous ones were nice, the new ones are really good

[@LadyLuckyLu]

34:23 That's true, she's never mentioned in the games. Though In the Lorekeeper ending where we can see the gravestones, we can see one gravestone far away from the others, and it has a long name on it. You can't really make out what it says but it looks like a first and last name, and it could be (most likely it is) Charlotte Emily.

[@thephoenixrose01250]

Cassidy is also a long name

[@LadyLuckyLu]

@thephoenixrose01250 Yeah, but the one in the gravestone is wayyy longer than Cassidy and it seems to have a last name as well. You can look up the image and inspect it yourself. I'm pretty sure it says Charlotte Emily.

[@Cole_Wiggle]

I feel like difference between 7 letters and 9 letters isn’t that big

[@LadyLuckyLu]

@@Cole_Wiggle I'm not talking about the first name alone. I'm saying that the gravestone has a FIRST and LAST name. Check the image and you'll see it has a last name. Aside from the Aftons, Henry, and the security guards, the only other character with a last name that's a child (at least at the time the game released) is Charlie. Also, Cassidy's gravestone is the one obscured by the grass, this is proven by the logbook. With the gravestone that says "My Name"

[@thephoenixrose01250]

@@LadyLuckyLuI mean there’s grass everywhere and isn’t they also Cassidy/Charlie helping Dave remember his.

[@24Ippo]

I never thought about Edwin could originally be part of AFTON ROBOTICS instead of Fazzbear entertainment, that would explain how different animatronics are instead of being Henry's creation

[@scarigamez]

I think something to consider about Andrew is that even if he's connected to Golden Freddy in some way, he's just as separated from Goldie in Frights as he is in the ITP game. Sure, I could be stretching, but I think it's notable pointing out that Andrew and Cassidy's Goldie exist separately in the minigame.

[@vomitedthoughts]

There's also a flesh inside the plush, well I think it is

[@Trustycyndaquil]

24:36 That's exactly what they did ;-; (other than the SOTM teasers)

[@chrisdacombe1777]

The Character Encyclopedia is pretty clear on Charlotte Emily being the name of the Puppet-child in the game timeline, btw.

[@rosem325]

To be totally fair, it’s also pretty clear on the crying child being the protagonist of the night gameplay of FNAF4, and it’s widely agreed that’s wrong

[@onyourleft4194]

the character encyclopedia is wrong about a lot of details, and obscured some other details. while this is a big thing to get wrong i wouldn't put it past it

[@vincentadamsvga]

@@rosem325 To be fair, even under Mike having the dreams, he's dreaming from the perspective of a child. While it could be himself as a child, he could also be dreaming from the POV of his brother. That and playing as BV in the minigames does technically make him the protagonist since he's the focus character of the game.

[@MasterHand4444]

Dude BarBADroid killed it on that thumbnail template. REALLY attractive and sleek compared to the previous design!

[@limegreenlive7813]

I know that I've been sticking to the Dave theory longer than Hyperdroid but now that the TalesGames has been a thing, it means there are two Daves: David Murray and David Afton (if David is the longer version of Dave). It feels weird to have to David's in the Gamelore right?

[@octonine6212]

We have three Jeremys. FNAF 2 nightguard, Bonnie missing kid and old Help Wanted playtester that cut his face off. Names being repeated on this series is really nothing new. /nm

[@Unknown_Geek]

If that is the case, I think naming both kids the same name is purposeful. It's done to make the player/reader compare William and Edwin. I think Edwin is a foil to William, both their sons die because of their negligence and the consequences of their actions afterwards have a huge impact on the story. Edwin feels like a more sympathetic version of William, you're meant to feel bad for him and he didn't mean for his creation to do what it does. He does also feel like a combination of William and Henry in some ways

[@vincentadamsvga]

@@octonine6212 Even if it's different continuities, there's also two prominent character with the name Mike who have no relation, Schmidt/Afton and Brooks.

[@limegreenlive7813]

@@Unknown_Geek Well if Edwin and William are in the same gamelore they can't be representing/parallelling one another right? Or could it? It feels a bit weird if their not different continuities

[@Unknown_Geek]

@limegreenlive7813 they can absolutely be in the same continuity and be parallels. The fnaf community uses the term parallel in a very specific way. In general literature a parallel can be other things. An example of a parallel character is Harry Potter and Neville, as characters they have a very similar "set up" and their fates changed after voldemort chooses Harry. Edwin and William have a similar sort of set up to their stories, intelligent men who's sons die because of their negligence.

[@Lozinlimbo]

God this franchise is so hard to keep up with 😭🙏

[@BigWheel4ever]

I don't mind Andrew being the vengeful spirit, but I would like him to be mentioned in any game. I don't know why, but I think that such a big character should appear in an actual game.

[@EmotianalBrat]

I feel Cassidy was just a perfect candidate… like that’s just sooo much easier

[@thephoenixrose01250]

It still is Cassidy I think, just Cassidy is the puppet. Not all the books are cannon and like aome of the book stuff doesn’t make sense. I’d say 80 percent is canon

[@EmotianalBrat]

@@thephoenixrose01250 ya but I think it is obvious that Charlie is the puppet. I mean she was Henry’s daughter in the game and so was Elizabeth

[@gracecurtis1141]

I've been working on a Cassidy is in game Charlie theory for a while, I'm so glad you bring it up. Charlotte/Charlie are never once mentioned in game. Also the security logbook where the name Cassidy is reveal was released before UCN when the vengeful spirit was introduced. My theory is that the names Cassidy and Dave were in the log book to fill in both headstones in the lore keeper ending of pizza sim the one in the back that is blurry and unreadable and the one that is covered by grass. Ace they/them

[@gracecurtis1141]

Also Henry's name hasn't actually been said in game either except for hry223 and his last name remains unknown so it could be revealed that edwin and henry are still the same person

[@Spencycle]

Yeah, the yellow background is nice

[@migueldominguez5378]

It's possible that cassidy It's the name of the puppet, cause we know that she's trying to help the children, but we never see golden freddy trying to do that directly. Also we know thanks to the Frights books that the puppet keeps trying to fight afton and help others, and in princess quest we see that the name of the princess is cassidy or cassie (i don't remember specifically), so it could be her that hasn't stop fight afton and things related to him

[@sonicaddictOG]

34:25 Honestly the only in game full confirmation that Henry is in the games timeline is speeding up the audio in Ultimate Custom night’s Old Man Consequences area. Beyond that there is 0 mention of Charlie or Henry in the Scott games.

[@spectralsupernova77]

so you're saying that the voce recordings from pizzeria sim is Edwin? not trying to sound judgy just trying to understand your thoughts

[@thephoenixrose01250]

Well also the fans 6 file that’s like could be his name

[@King_Cisco]

About Cassidy maybe being Henry’s daughter in the games, the ports straight up confirms that Cassette Man is Henry and his daughter is Charlotte in the files of the subtitles. And this isn’t something like CharlieDoor where the validity of the name is dubious at best, this would’ve been overlooked heavily by Scott.

[@thephoenixrose01250]

Does it really though? I’ve never seen charlottes names in files.

[@King_Cisco]

@ It’s in the files of the ports of FNAF 6

[@thatmusicianarron625]

I was waiting for this one.

[@manuelhandles]

same

[@Sparkling34]

I won't lie I'm disappointed that they are cannon, but it is what it is

[@Hammock_Dan]

15:46 No dumb theories? Henry is Ballora confirmed. William x Henry Mpreg timeline, here we go!

[@blue_lynch]

your hair looks amazing

[@Hoodi3knee]

Relating to cassidy being henry's daughter, the character encyclopedia talks about Charolette Emily from the books and henry's daughter in the games as the same character. If this wasn't true, i doubt that she would have gotten a page at all considering Mike's lack of a page despite being the main character of the first 6 games lol

[@thephoenixrose01250]

You never know… evidence…

[@hadeszero4526]

Cool thing tho is that if this is all connected it confirms my theory that at this point Scott is just watching theory videos and being like that is cool that is the lore.

[@mr.e3123]

My understanding of Rye's Stance on Talesgames being canon was that itd be dumb because thatd imply that world ending events happened.

[@CheshireCatMystic]

I’m of the mindset that it’s a similar origin story is similar to the book, but it’s a edited version. The timeline of events in the tales books doesn’t really fit with the game timeline, whether or not FNAF 3 is in 2023 or 2015. So Edwin and his son exist, but Secret of the Mimic is a more game-ified streamlined version of the events that fit better. Like Into the Pit if you will.

[@creekkid42]

i had been holding out hope that the events of the mimic story were accurate but the names and specifics would be different, and we'd find out that it was henry's origin story. But the Murray sign and tiger rock are pretty damning. Though i suppose it's possible Murray is really Henry's last name lol

[@mr.e3123]

im curious why the mimic is getting so much backstory around it if at the end of the day its just a robot that mimics things. everyone seems to be asking why is the mimic or how is the mimic, but no one seems to ask who or what is the mimic, what is its goal, what is its motivations, what makes the mimic a fully realized conciousness. if its a fully realized conciousness i dont think we know that much for sure. what is it gonna do if it finally escapes the basement, is it just gonna run around ripping peoples limbs off?

[@kyosballerina7701]

So if Crying Child's name is Dave. Does this mean we have multiple Davids the same way we have multiple Jeremies?

[@awkwardmush2137]

Honestly, Rye’s hair is absolutely slaying in this video 👌🏽

[@Trustycyndaquil]

The HW2 DLC has a Tigerrock plushie further proving that tales of the pizzaplex is canon to the game timeline. (Edit - I just got to the part where you mention that)

[@Funhaus_Fr34k]

"cassidy doesn't have anything to do anymore" unless Cassidy is actually the crying child that is

[@Cosmic_KW]

After seeing the Jackie in the new update gives me more excitement for secret of the mimic

[@Jonesman64]

I've been thinking Cassidy is henry's daughter since the Dave solution. It makes sense as its the other name presented in the security logbook. With all the recent minigames and reveals revealing the number 6.. it felt like they were trying to hammer in that there are 6 dead kids. Which makes me question the idea of another kid killed off screen being our "one you should not have killed" and doer of ultimate custom night.

[@Jodkin]

When Gregory said a long time I take that from a kids perspective and to a kid couple of years could be a long time.

[@candydreams1121]

Do you think that the Tales of The PizzaPlex books are cannon but the Fazbrear Frights books are not?

[@scottcockton]

I personally believe until secret of the mimic comes out that this confirms Edwin and the mimic origins are canon. Now the real question is, is this the from the books or is it a close adaptation of the books in the games but changed some things so it fits in the game canon which is what I believe

[@Mike-Bot-84]

I’m pretty sure at this point it was MXES that was shipped and that’s why nobody understood what it was. Just a giant old computer.

[@GrooveBot766]

thumbnail says the books are cannon, im preparing to either cry in pain your jump and click my heals in joy

[@justaperson4656]

Gastrodon mention lets gooo! I took a west sea gastrodon to my alolan championship and she CARRIED me, I added her to my shiny hunting team and plan on getting her as a tattoo :) Also, nitpicky, but torterra is a tortoise, not a turtle

[@arstotzkanplaguedoctor]

Mfs doing everything in their power to make Mpreg, fazgoo, and sea bonnies, none canon :sobbing:

[@mjslack3073]

8:05 wait so the crying child’s name is confirmed to be Dave……. And David is now confirmed to exist within the games timeline?

[@bunkusboo]

It's wild to think there could be FNAF fans who, beyond having not read the books, are so unplugged from the theory community that they have managed to avoid any book-dependent details working into their understanding of the game lore. No Mimic, just "that thing" - no Charlotte, just some kid.

[@tropezando]

Trying to understand FNAF continues to be the most humbling experience 乁⁠[⁠ ⁠◕⁠ ⁠ᴥ⁠ ⁠◕⁠ ⁠]ㄏ And yes, as an old who does not have access to Scholastic book fairs and primarily follows the games, I've had to watch hours of KZbin content to understand wtf is happening in modern FNAF. It's not very user-friendly nor business-savvy, imo, for a game series to do the majority of its worldbuilding and story progression in a different medium from its original format. Not that I don't like books/reading, but I didn't even know they existed because I'm out of the demographic they're marketed toward.

[@cnocee]

do we think it's possible that william could still use a phone while stuck in the saferoom during The Week Before? i don't see why not

[@Brickblock200]

Tbh The more scott makes, the more he fleshes out his story

[@Mike-Bot-84]

I'm still not sold that the Mimic was shipped to the Pizza-Plex. I personally would think Baby is more likely. With the odd points that you find Baby plush dolls and the item description "What are you doing here?".

[@ciboria1]

Long shot into the aether; What if the update is just a few minigames with endelss modes, under a new banner; Into Madness All the new small endings (Think Custom Night highscore); Showing an attempt of the victim to get released, only to find themself even deeper into the system/that they are being stopped after all that effort

[@ciboria1]

Or same concept but slightly funnier; The Mimic takes on the role of Game tester supervisor, either being frustrated with your low effor, or praising you for doing the "right" thing

[@Warclam]

I don't think I've heard of the idea of Cassidy being Henry's daughter, but it makes the Security Logbook make a lot more sense. If Cassidy is the Vengeful Spirit, then it's a little weird that they're helping Crying Dave out. Not really their MO? They attacc, they don't protecc. But if Cassidy is the Puppet… that makes a whole lot of sense.

[@Gigi4u]

I honestly hope that the books aren't cannon because that would mean we have the whole plot of the next game spoiled years in advance. I think the it likely that ideas are sometimes exchanged between each other but i dont think everything that happens and characters is exactly the same. I think i likely the mimic in secret of the mimic is going to be very different from what the books show us about him while still carrying over some stoy elements from the books.