The Biggest Misunderstanding About Bass 🤯

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Alice Yalcin Efe - Mercurial Tones Academy

Alice Yalcin Efe - Mercurial Tones Academy

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@Alice-Efe
@Alice-Efe 9 ай бұрын
🌟Hey, if you're struggling with low-end performance, I might have something in my pack that could help! Atlas - Low End Tools: www.mercurialtones.com/atlas-low-end-tools
@JohnJones-tx6rt
@JohnJones-tx6rt 3 ай бұрын
Can you speak slower and give a short summary so that I know what this is about please.
@owenhuston3329
@owenhuston3329 Жыл бұрын
For whatever reason, seeing you demonstrate these ideas with props and markers/paper has helped me finally understand phase cancelation! Using things to explain concepts outside of the DAW before diving into it makes me think about it differently. You do such a great job explaining things!! Thank you!
@Alice-Efe
@Alice-Efe Жыл бұрын
I enjoy making those real world demonstrations as well. This one took me some time to conceptualise and build it, but hopefully it will make it easier to understand when you see it 😊
@axyon619
@axyon619 Жыл бұрын
Same. It's much appreciated:)
@CYB3RC0RP
@CYB3RC0RP Жыл бұрын
What an embarrassing comment. Are you a child? Lol
@MartinStuertzer
@MartinStuertzer Жыл бұрын
How big of an effort do you want to take to illustrate a music making problem? Alice: "yes".
@Alice-Efe
@Alice-Efe Жыл бұрын
Haha cheers Martin! ❤
@sawtooth808
@sawtooth808 Жыл бұрын
Hey go big or go home
@BoopyTheFox
@BoopyTheFox Жыл бұрын
I've already knew phase cancelling, but as soon as i've seen physical illustration of it i was like SUBSCRIBE SUB JUST SUB NOW I SENSE QUALITY MATERIAL
@MrSatanismybitch
@MrSatanismybitch Жыл бұрын
Or to quote Brian May (on the music of Queen) "If a job's worth doing, it's worth overdoing!" 😄
@79keydet
@79keydet Жыл бұрын
well, there are a lot good illustrations of the problem. But it is a first video with great clear explanations how to solve it.
@ToniLeys
@ToniLeys Жыл бұрын
FANTASTIC explanation! I haven't thought of the "remove fundamental" option for this, mind blown! 👏👏👏
@liteningstrike12
@liteningstrike12 Жыл бұрын
Great vid and very well explained! Being self taught and doing music prod as a hobby, so many youtube videos tell you "rules" like "the bass should be mono" or "lowpass everything" but don't tell you why. I knew phase cancellation was a thing, but not how to avoid it other than to avoid certain methods of widening the stereo image (which limits creativity). I'm a very visual learner and don't have the experienced ear that seasoned producers do, so when you showed the difference in the signal before / after compression and when you replaced the fundamental that was especially helpful for me. Cheers and keep up the great content!
@DDRMR
@DDRMR Жыл бұрын
Oh man I've done the Hard Way technique a bunch of times in the past instinctually always wondering if I was a fool for doing so. So glad to see somebody else recommend it and make such an articulate tutorial. You've earned my sub and I'll be looking at more of your content during my downtime!
@allixismad
@allixismad Жыл бұрын
Another good thing to think about is always checking the mono compatability of your whole track doing an A - B test because most club sound systems are mono. If stuff is out of phase or the whole track has lots of stereo then it could sound amazing on headphones or speakers, but the moment you play it out on a big sound system it'll start phasing and you lose whole chunks of sound Also if you're using the high pass and low pass technique to replace the sub bass with a sine wave then it's generally best to do it in parallel by using groups in the chain, same way she did with the EQ3, and using tasteful amounts of distortion on the sub to provide extra harmonics that fill the space between the two sounds. Main reason I recommend going parallel rather than going for seperate tracks is to prevent your project getting too messy, but it also means you can easily add effects to the high end and low end at the same time. Great video as always Alice!!
@JohnDoe-ni9zm
@JohnDoe-ni9zm Жыл бұрын
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@lennartstein3024
@lennartstein3024 Жыл бұрын
saying that most club sound systems are mono is big misinformation.
@allixismad
@allixismad Жыл бұрын
@@lennartstein3024 it's what we've been taught in my uni course. I've also got a few friends who own sound systems, they're all mono. maybe it's different in other countries, but most club systems in the UK are mono. the key word there is most. it makes sense too, you don't want one side of the room to have a different listening experience than the other side of the room
@3rdStoreyChemist
@3rdStoreyChemist Жыл бұрын
@@allixismad Still not quite correct to say ‘most’. Where mono is mostly used is in venues with strange shapes or large enough to require multiple speakers across the venue to keep a consistent level throughout. A large venue with a large stage and therefore a wide stereo field doesn’t specifically require outright summing to mono, some width can be retained. Overall I’ve found anywhere with a very obvious “this is the stage and this is the sound system” type layout to be stereo and could pan parts if I wished, regardless of frequency, whereas somewhere that doesn’t really have a dedicated place for performers or DJ’s is generally mono. Even been to shows using surround setups.
@MakeYourTransition
@MakeYourTransition Жыл бұрын
@@3rdStoreyChemist whilst true, you can’t depend on all sound systems being the same as of course they aren’t. Therefore mono compatibility is still hugely important, and not just for club sound either - FM radio still happens to be a thing, and stereo / mono FM signals are also unstable and can’t be depended on. Therefore, you compromise with having mono in the right areas in the low end, but also with enough width and stereo information in other areas in order to ensure performance on as many playback systems and situations as possible. Mono bass is also important for vinyl cutting, as whilst you obviously can have stereo vinyl cut, too much stereo information can cause grooves to be cut too wide, and can lead to poor stylus tracking, more skips etc. Regardless of what’s on the other end, a good mono compatible mix is still required, and will be for the foreseeable future’
@JorgenTiigisoon
@JorgenTiigisoon Жыл бұрын
7:45 where do you get that info that ozone doesn't affect the phase. Are their filters linear phase by default?
@RichmenInc
@RichmenInc Жыл бұрын
Ey yo, Alice has no right to go this hard! This was educational, useful, pragmatic, entertaining presented in the most slickest way. I've never seen you or you content before. You just popped up. But I'm glad it did, cause this was nice and you've taught me something new. I'm a fan
@eferg16
@eferg16 Жыл бұрын
I've heard people explain the problem, but you're the first person who offered a simple explanation of what to do about it AND WHY. You are so legit. I appreciate you immensely. Thank you.
@Enitoni2
@Enitoni2 Жыл бұрын
The trick with removing the fundamental is something I have been doing for a long time, and it's really cool that someone else had the same idea! It's very nice to use wavetable plugins like Vital and Serum for bass, because they let you do this and you can create really good sounding bass patches that translate well to mono. I think the biggest point is that for the absolute tightest bass you want your sub frequencies to always be mono, and usually the most clean of a sine wave as possible. Obviously, this is sometimes left in as a creative decision so there are no hard rules of course.
@Juline1221
@Juline1221 Жыл бұрын
Wow I never had anybody break it down like that. Thank you u made it clear on what I'm trying to do with this low end. I was really wondering how I was supposed to go about splitting up my bass. Thank you!!
@lopodyr
@lopodyr Жыл бұрын
This video was SO GOOD. Though I knew about phase cancelation, I never understood any of the solutions before today. I love your super clear, to-the-point, visual explanation. One of the best tutorials I have seen for sure.
@R1PPA-C
@R1PPA-C Жыл бұрын
This is such a better way to explain how to address issues with production... These techniques can be passed across so many issues, unlike most "how to self help" videos which give generic advice as if they're a one size fits all solution, this gets right to the core, and it's also just addressed an issue I've been having recently with my mid / side eq on my bass, thanks once again Alice ❤️
@heshumi
@heshumi Жыл бұрын
cool, thank you. Was always separating the sub from bass with EQ, and mono-ing only sub, but gonna try the "remove fundamental" approach, as this way seems to be a lil cleaner
@Xanatis
@Xanatis Жыл бұрын
You explain this incredibly well! I've been having some questions about bass and mono versus stereo and I got everything answered here. Thank you!
@D-One
@D-One Жыл бұрын
An easy way to explain cancellation is to say the opposites cancel each other the same way that -1 + 1 = 0. That trick to totally remove the fundamental in xerum is awesome, thanks! Oh, also... in some genres like DNB often the volume variation from phase cancellation is actually very desirable, so it's not always a problem. Cheers!
@rizzbod
@rizzbod Жыл бұрын
Woah! Thnx , I never knew that is phasing is such big of an issue! Your explanations are so intriguing to watch all the time when it is just two waves , its easy to understand , but for multiple voices and to many sounds, it gets messier and then there's no turning back hehe!
@8ochochocho8
@8ochochocho8 Жыл бұрын
idk how but i somehow came up with the hard solution myself some months ago by creating a rack in ableton that separates everything above 100Hz and below. that way i can control the sub and the high one and keep the punch of sub frequencies
@prof.bizzarro
@prof.bizzarro Жыл бұрын
I find this video deeply philosophical: several tips, such as the Pareto curve, overproducing and perfectionism, suitably modified, can be applied to other types of artistic production or even in everyday life. I, for example, destroyed my existence with excessive perfectionism that often ended up blocking me. I just discovered this channel: I signed up immediately!
@mcheremnov10
@mcheremnov10 Жыл бұрын
Hands down one of the best production channels on youtube. It's crazy how your quality just keeps improving and you always have more tips to share. Thank you so much!
@the7376
@the7376 Жыл бұрын
this is so accessible and I think the genius in that is going unnoticed. You're a very VERY talented educator, this video is so comprehensive but not dense. THANK YOUUUUU
@Le_Mer
@Le_Mer Жыл бұрын
The last song I worked on had this exact issue and now I know how to fix it. Thank you for the fantastic content!
@Justin_Shadow999
@Justin_Shadow999 Жыл бұрын
Your knowledge is so impressive. It turns out that I have been using both of these methods in differing amounts for quite a while. Thanks for sharing!!
@james82408
@james82408 Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Alice-Efe
@Alice-Efe Жыл бұрын
thanks a ton for the tip❤️
@NyxTheShieldOFFICIAL
@NyxTheShieldOFFICIAL Жыл бұрын
Really nice and concise video, I have been using the fundamental trick for DNB ever since I saw it in one of your shorts hehe
@frog-uj3sx
@frog-uj3sx Жыл бұрын
I really like your recent style of videos. Good analogies, educational, and positive energy 👍
@Alice-Efe
@Alice-Efe Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I really enjoy making them as well ❤
@tianzii
@tianzii Жыл бұрын
Yoooo! Thank you so much! I really get the phase cancellation now and it's solutions.
@groovining
@groovining Жыл бұрын
I appreciate the effort here. I also do animations on my (much smaller) channel and I know the enormous amount of time it takes to make everything look this clean and concise! Great explanation also, a very clear way to walk through a confusing topic. ✌
@random_meteor
@random_meteor Жыл бұрын
Your efforts are also greatly appreciated on your equally awesome channel bruv
@groovining
@groovining Жыл бұрын
@@random_meteor Cheers mate! Hopefully lots more great things to come this year! :)
@Alckemy
@Alckemy Жыл бұрын
Something important to note is why you would pick one way or the other and it usually applies to what you want to do with your low end in the first place. The most typical use case is when you’re using a reese bass and want to preserve the movement from phase cancellation. Even though the sun frequencies come in and out, there is a beating pulse that can sometimes be desirable. In this case go for the soft fix issues. The easier route on the other hand is the hard method because it guarantees a solid low end. One thing I’d keep in mind is trying match your mod and high layer with the appropriate low end wave form (you don’t have to, just makes the entire sound more cohesive sometimes) Great video and demonstrations^
@UltromanTheTacoman
@UltromanTheTacoman Жыл бұрын
Best bass mixing video I've seen, and I've seen a lot, including master classes. She presents several approaches in a concise manner, with pros and cons, important caveats, and methods to both analyze AND alleviate the problems. I knew most of this, but the way she went through it all so fluently and without tangents, made it click much better for me. I feel like I understand my toolkit better. Thank you!!
@heavenly2k
@heavenly2k Жыл бұрын
I'm not great with numbers and super technical terms. Im a very visual learner and you did a great job of illustrating the concept for me in a way that is genuinely understandable.
@yesthisisdonut
@yesthisisdonut Жыл бұрын
you could also just turn down the unisono width in serum if you actually want a wobblier low end (sometimes desirable with reeses actually) but also keep it mono. you can also use the high pass filter with key tracking in serum (although removing fundamental is the best way) if you want to go the old school way but also have the filter move with the pitch, imo that's a bit better than using a static filter :)
@BorisBarroso
@BorisBarroso Жыл бұрын
Excellent video!!. What about using mid side, can this be another technique to solve this issue? You can use an EQ for center and another for the sides.
@infesticon
@infesticon Жыл бұрын
Super appreciate the effort you got to visualize things it's fun and helps me understand things. Tips from you are always solid. But your presenting is good to !
@infiniterift
@infiniterift Жыл бұрын
3:00 Usually, I'm using a limiter and I'm dropping the ceiling until the signal is flat (of course adding gain after). Works for bass/sub-bass or something that doesn't need to have a broad dynamic range.
@shadowgauge3249
@shadowgauge3249 Жыл бұрын
2:39 Although it took me a long long time to realize this, because I am listening in binaural L and R, which is still "Technically" mono, or "Unbalanced Stereo" there is absolutely no change when you put bass mono on. AT ALL!!! And if you had compensated for the volume loss when summing to mono by duplicating the channel, there would not have been a difference coming out of my phone or tv, but I did hear it get super thin on my headphones. This means you are listening to it on a pro audio system if you heard a change both times, because the real misconception is between Stereo and Unbalanced Stereo... And what a Stereo field is and how to create it using parity signals is where the money is at..
@rieg
@rieg Жыл бұрын
Love the content! [but whats up with the crackling and pop noises in your audio?]
@shoepedals
@shoepedals Жыл бұрын
Another thing to watch out for (especially if using analog synths) is if the start of the notes are in phase. Meaning the oscillators may be drifting in and out of tune, but looking at the waveforms and just sliding the clips slightly to line up the rising or falling edges at the start of the part can help correct a lot of the phase issues. Then you can also apply these techniques after if needed. This also works between multiple instruments. Like you can examine if the first peaks of the kick and bass are aligned with one another, for example, so that one is not pulling away from the other on the transient.
@TechnoNates
@TechnoNates Жыл бұрын
This is top notch production. Appreciate the efforts. You could have easily just showed a digital standard depiction of waves but instead you demonstrated this amazing little physics experiment. Truly wonderful!
@DR4GON8IT3music
@DR4GON8IT3music Жыл бұрын
4:38 - I don't understand, why the compressor didn't fix the low end... Had the high end more dynamics, so it triggered the comp. first? tnx for the video
@WillHatton
@WillHatton Жыл бұрын
One of your best videos to date! Really great work Alice!!! 🔥
@Alice-Efe
@Alice-Efe Жыл бұрын
Aww thank you Will! ♥️
@DmitryPuffin
@DmitryPuffin Жыл бұрын
"Remove fundamental" feature of Serum is awesome and quite unique. I haven't seen that in other synths. Since I don't own Serum, I use hi-pass filter and keytracking in Pigments or find and remove manually the fundamental harmonic in Vital's wavetable editor. Putting static EQ in FX chain has a downside - when you play different note, your frequency 'split' point should move as well, so doing that with keytracked hi-pass filter and sub is a better workaround.
@EyesWideBlackTek1
@EyesWideBlackTek1 Жыл бұрын
Good content, explained the problem and demonstrated how to solve it, perfect. Going to use this video with my padawans, because people sometimes struggle to understand my tech-nerd train of thought when it comes to basic principles of audio engineering, thanks a lot 😅
@ViktorNova
@ViktorNova Жыл бұрын
This is a subject I feel like I have a pretty good grasp on and still managed to learn something new (remove fundamental from the wavetable 🤯 GENIUS) Also didn't realize Ozone imager kept the phase intact! I love your videos, please don't ever stop!
@deffyme7357
@deffyme7357 Жыл бұрын
Very nice explanation of the topic! I'm impressed with the visual effort you put into this. Great work!
@serapheogen
@serapheogen Жыл бұрын
What do you think of simply always high passing everything that and using a dedicated sub? I’ve always understood that keeping the natural sub in any synthesized bass sound was a bad idea for two reasons. 1. Any processing would effect not only the mids and highs but the sub itself which you don’t want 2. Uneven amplitude in the sub (which you demonstrated here) Only good reason I could think of is high passing certain sounds even as little as necessary can still noticeably change the timbre in ways you dislike. Some bass sounds sound better because even using gentle filters it’s hard to *only* remove the sub without ruining the sound. But this capability of Serum for example to only remove the fundamental seems like a game changer. Of course this could be accomplished in any synth that allows you to manually draw in your waveforms. So now I *really* don’t see a reason to not use a dedicated, separate sub.
@evomusicstudios
@evomusicstudios Жыл бұрын
How I fix this problem in one instance in serum : edit both oscillators, select process, remove fundamental, engage the sub oscillator, done. (Sorry I don’t mean to hiJack ur video) I have never seen someone explain things so well! Outstanding! Bravo! 👏
@flanorlerii
@flanorlerii Жыл бұрын
Harika bir çalışma olmuş, teşekkürler. Mesele ses gibi "görünmez" fenomenler olunca görselleştirme çok önemli oluyor. Emeğinize sağlık.
@mziah3359
@mziah3359 Жыл бұрын
Ur the best🔥🔥🔥🙏🏿
@jorisdemunck9406
@jorisdemunck9406 Жыл бұрын
You can also split the sound in low and high freqs. If you want no phasing in the lows take a utility and select left or right instead of mono, in this way you get completely get rid off the phase cancelation and you keep the character of the sound intact.
@sankaplays3098
@sankaplays3098 Жыл бұрын
It really, really depends. I make drum and bass, a genre often played on a PA setup with woofers set to mono in the first place, so often its best to have your mono imaging in a really good place - making the bottom end of 100hz completely mono lets the sub bass sit better under the kick and midbass.
@kalebsatterfield2443
@kalebsatterfield2443 Жыл бұрын
I'm serum I just remove the fundamental and then replace it with another 1 voice oscillator. I then use a limiter to help slightly flatten out the signal. It's a mix of the hard and soft solutions and works very well
@somatronic
@somatronic Жыл бұрын
How do you remove the fundamental in Serum? Would like to try that method
@DafterHindi
@DafterHindi Жыл бұрын
@@somatronic watch the video you're watching again
@kalebsatterfield2443
@kalebsatterfield2443 Жыл бұрын
@@somatronic If you make a synth in serum there is a little pencil icon in the top right corner of each wave table. If you click on that it gives you options to change the wave table itself. In the top of serum you'll see a lot of bars representing each frequency present by the wave table. Turn the first one all the way down and the wave table will visibly change. The fundamental frequency will no longer be produced, yet all the others will be.
@onusgumboot5565
@onusgumboot5565 Жыл бұрын
I was having trouble understanding the words with the accent, so I decided to read the caption. Apparently the closed caption program has a problem with the accent too. It came out pretty weird.
@llasch28
@llasch28 Жыл бұрын
I have been producing for about 5 years- a lot of KZbin tutorials consumed. Your videos have been some of the the most profound ones I have found in terms of giving me another perspective….you are a gifted teacher and I thank you!! Keep them coming
@MangoJellySolutions
@MangoJellySolutions Жыл бұрын
You are a joy to watch, so well explained and so in detail. I wish you all the best with what your doing with one of the best channels I have seen. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
@AFRoSHEENT3ARCMICHAEL69
@AFRoSHEENT3ARCMICHAEL69 Жыл бұрын
Alice thank you. I love how you explain concepts with visuals. Makes you one of the best channels for music production.
@Vintsent
@Vintsent 9 ай бұрын
Amazing video ! Thanks a lot for all of thèse video 😉🙏 Really love all these tutorials, keep on going In the hard way to stabilize the sub frequencies, why I should remove the fondamental if just after I set an EQ up with an high pass ? Is the same thing no ? 🤔 Or mainly as you said to avoid the phasis pb, because when you put an EQ we create phasis move ?
@p4r7h-v
@p4r7h-v Жыл бұрын
Love this content
@Alice-Efe
@Alice-Efe Жыл бұрын
Thanks a ton for the tip ♥️
@crhettbuttler1
@crhettbuttler1 Жыл бұрын
Hi Alice, here is what I have found over time with the EQ three, it alters the sound just by being there. I am not sure if this is a universal problem but anytime I go back to an old file where I used EQ three by just turning EQ threes off (and I mean those with all L, M, H, on), the entire sound changes. EQ8 on the other hand is always a safe option as it seems to really keep the original sound wave. Has anyone experienced this?
@alainrivas4870
@alainrivas4870 Жыл бұрын
Amazing!! so what happens to the kick?? Is the same thing, do you recomend apply the same process??
@CarlBurnss
@CarlBurnss Жыл бұрын
As a venue sound engineer I usually use mono bass, especially one side mono to counter inline interference (not a stereo to mono), because we can steer the bass on the dance floor by creating line wavefronts. If we don't, we create 3d interference meaning; places on the dance floor where is no bass and places where is a crazy amount of bass. And we have to fight the acoustics of the room reflexions and so, this all destroys the bass, making it sound untight, and as an electronicfile I love crisp and tight powerful bass have to say 100Hz and up, love to stay stereo
@beatsmithradio
@beatsmithradio Жыл бұрын
The way you explain this was so intuitive! Thanks for your teaching style! Keep it up!
@СергейТомилов-о9щ
@СергейТомилов-о9щ Жыл бұрын
Would also be important to notice that EQ3 crossfades are also rotating phase, it is especially drastic with 48 dB option
@BF-up5xw
@BF-up5xw Жыл бұрын
I think this is one of your best videos. Clear, with diverse ways of communicating the information. Thank you!
@xypc8582
@xypc8582 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video! It's also worth mentioning linear phase EQ, for example Pro-Q can be switched to linear phase mode.
@henryb6009
@henryb6009 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this clear tutorial. What about middle and side processing?
@joeldollie5826
@joeldollie5826 Жыл бұрын
Really like how you explain things ! Very well done and clear for beginners.
@xil.sanctified
@xil.sanctified Жыл бұрын
Jeez. Again, dropping knowledge bombs everywhere. What I knew was close but with just a little of your guidance, I've finally got that sound I want. ty
@ephjaymusic
@ephjaymusic Жыл бұрын
You are a true gem Alice! Fantastic visual and practical explanations.
@ayalav02
@ayalav02 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for that video. I wasn’t familiar with removing fundamental frequency in serum. Can you do that in other soft synths?
@SunroseStudios
@SunroseStudios Жыл бұрын
this definitely clears up some of the misconceptions we had about bass mixing, thank you!
@EVILJAMARR
@EVILJAMARR Жыл бұрын
Glad I found this! So helpful. Clean up the low end and the highs start to open up on their own
@EmmanuelBenighHemmander
@EmmanuelBenighHemmander Жыл бұрын
Great video! Would you use similar techniques on an electric bass? I've got an amp track, a DI track and a distortion track, the distortion track is high-passed but the other two are pretty much full range. It sounds good to me but should I be worried about phasing issues and do something akin to these tips?
@kermunklin7704
@kermunklin7704 Жыл бұрын
You have a great channel. Thanks for shedding light on audio stuff that is specifically geared towards electronic/dance music.
@TheCratesMotel
@TheCratesMotel Жыл бұрын
Great video Alice. I have been trying to tell my students this for a long time and now I will just direct them to your video.
@dedrxbbit7549
@dedrxbbit7549 Жыл бұрын
I think there’s a disconnect from what most producers call bass and what actually IS bass. Bass is any low frequencies, also referred to ass sub, typically below 200hz. A reese bass has most of its “meat and potatoes” from mid range. That area can have all sorts of width no problem, but when people are talking about using a mono bass, they mainly are referring to not using unison or chorus on sub frequencies as that can muddy the mix.
@TheEternalHellwalker
@TheEternalHellwalker Жыл бұрын
This is an interesting take on phase cancellation for beginners, but as someone who's most likely been in the production industry longer than you; i'll explain why we use mono for bass. This is because when playing your music at a venue, most will have a Left/Right in for the mixers being used in the booth. This is why in bass music, the sub (sine) and kick are most prevalently heard. The rest is done through proper mid/side routing, and depending on what you make? could involve a multitude of effects such as stereo shaping, expansion, etc. So, to not make this too long, everything below 200hz gets the mono treatment. afterwards, you can expand (And of course its not as simple as just making it mono, most use Ozone imager for this, so good start; but there's levels to go on this topic.
@Elizareads
@Elizareads Жыл бұрын
I think there's more fundamental physical explanation for why mono is typically used for bass in a true stereo environment. Stereo effects are produced due to the distance between our ears, or microphones or whatever. For lower frequencies in nature, the phase differences our ears perceive is lesser than for higher frequencies, because the wavelength is longer (so the time delay between the signals is lesser relative to the wavelength). And so our ears would need to be further apart to perceive the same kind of phasing effect perceived on higher frequencies. As such, it's not surprising that forcing a stereo effect on the bass in a headphone setup doesn't sound very natural or pleasing
@TheEternalHellwalker
@TheEternalHellwalker Жыл бұрын
@@Elizareads This is very true. Most bass that ranges between the 35-200hz areas sound rather unnatural when set to stereo, which is why the image is generally tightened in mastering for the lower ends, with expansion towards the mid-high ranges, but i can tell i'm talking to someone that's quite versed in stereo fielding and mid-side compression technique, so that one's for the readers for certain. While i see this as a great explanation for stereo phase cancellation, and how to avoid it, i can't say the video itself is great for theory on bass design. Most times, you wont deal with phase issues in those ranges, as the only thing hitting those frequency ranges are going to consist of the kick, and sub bass layers of a synth/VST/AU patch. Higher frequencies? There's definitely a lot of room for marginal errors, as there's more going on in the mids and highs, as thats where most of the activity is going on considering vocals, snares, and other elements of any given track are taking place there, rather than the lower frequencies. I appreciate your insight on this, and hope this comment thread turns into something educational for up-and-coming producers.
@erikgwk
@erikgwk Жыл бұрын
Great video, this is one of the most useful explanations I found. Phase it's such a complicate topic but is made it clearer to me
@pocket1684
@pocket1684 Жыл бұрын
Yep, Most true stereo basses means each channel has differing wave forms that are independent of one another. On the other hand, dealing w a true mono bass guitar or synth bass that is not true stereo, can sound great up the middle..
@faultysystems
@faultysystems Жыл бұрын
How come that Ozone Imager doesn't change the phase relation when splitting a band? Isn't it just like applying a Brickwall filter?
@Clap_Codex
@Clap_Codex Жыл бұрын
Hey Alice, do you know why using a plugin like Ozone Imager doesn‘t mess with the phase of the sound compared to using an EQ in Zero Latency mode? I‘m not sure if Ozone Imager uses linear phase mode, as the latency created by the plugin is way too low for that.
@SimoneLaurino
@SimoneLaurino Жыл бұрын
Great video! Be careful in Serum with the random phase knob when you do subs. Set it to 0 so the sine will always start in the Same position.
@LEVRAN
@LEVRAN Жыл бұрын
I think ive seen a short of urs already with the last methood which is amazing
@TR-707
@TR-707 Жыл бұрын
isnt the mono bass below certain frequency required for vinyl pressings?
@demitristavrakis7107
@demitristavrakis7107 Жыл бұрын
Loved this video! should we apply this same concept with bright leads as well?
@alexcoastmusic
@alexcoastmusic Жыл бұрын
This is amazing Alice, many thanks, great tip and solutions ;)
@sfhmusicofficial
@sfhmusicofficial Жыл бұрын
Moving mountains with your help! Thank you so much. 🙏✨
@sandeboe
@sandeboe Жыл бұрын
7:40 You can also use an EQ with linear phase mode enabled :)
@MarcPlaysDrums
@MarcPlaysDrums Жыл бұрын
Been on this for a while. It’s why you pan the bass side only(not to be mistaken with stereo). Plus it kinda clears out the center where you can place the kick so they don’t step on each others toes.
@bluedev1495
@bluedev1495 Жыл бұрын
Damn, Alice! This is one of the best vids I’ve ever seen on this topic. Been struggling with bass on a track recently this is a MASSIVE help!
@ktsounddesign
@ktsounddesign Жыл бұрын
Very good explanation and great content! I wanted to highlight one point and get your thoughts on it. In the soft solution when you frequency split with the EQ Three isn't there a frequency dip around the crossover point (134Hz)?
@lost.empathy
@lost.empathy Жыл бұрын
I think this is an a ultimate guide about the thing we all use but rare talk about. I wish I found something like that 5 years ago.
@DelayedLaunch
@DelayedLaunch Жыл бұрын
I really liked the demonstration at the beginning. Love your videos, easy sub!
@shilverback523
@shilverback523 Жыл бұрын
Ok yeah this video just blow my mindhole! Might have to re-watch this a few times to apply it to my projects. Cleaner sounding mixes here we come!
@somatronic
@somatronic Жыл бұрын
Great video, however I watched a KZbin video recently that stated when you layer bass and use EQs for crossing over you get ‘fake bass’ which can happen between 90-190hz. So they advised to avoid EQing. I seem have the issue with mixing low end and knowing how much is enough. I have your tutorial and have tired many techniques but I struggle to get it sounding so glued together like the top producers, it ends up to thin or overpowering . Perhaps I’m using too many layers? What advice can you give ?
@manteuro
@manteuro Жыл бұрын
it might be your arrangements, the song itself possibly. mixing is about mixing good sounding music too lol
@somatronic
@somatronic Жыл бұрын
@@manteuro how does that answer relate to what I asked?
@manteuro
@manteuro Жыл бұрын
@@somatronic you said too many layers, that correlates to arrangement.
@somatronic
@somatronic Жыл бұрын
@@manteuro I tried the method using Ozone and it worked well, thanks
@khobys
@khobys 2 ай бұрын
Does that eq 3 splitting trick create overlap? Or asked differently, if you have the 2 eqs like that without any additional processing, is the combined output exactly the same as the input?
@laxerscooter1448
@laxerscooter1448 Жыл бұрын
very interesting and informational. but Why did you leave out phase alinement plugins?
@frederickred
@frederickred Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the help I have been recording and was wondering what is better mono or stereo
@NEEDSHES
@NEEDSHES Жыл бұрын
Which way you went? Old school? Just cut all the stuff down there and replaced it with something warm and nice?)
@cinderblock3544
@cinderblock3544 Жыл бұрын
I love the story telling you bring in your tutorials and lessons! fresh way to learn :)
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