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[@AlexMeyersVids]

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[@jirachipanda3627]

Charlie!!!!

[@victoriaandrews4547]

Yay! This is what I came here for!

[@selena8385]

Hi Alex I love your vids and you always make me laugh

[@Baregba]

I missed them

[@elliehathaway3694]

Wait no jokes today me sad now

[@Iris-tl7ld]

The editing just keeps getting better and better but it was weird seeing no animation aha

[@pvrkth6379]

IKR

[@astrowolvez]

Whoa, I didn't even notice. 😂

[@strw.b3rry395]

yall are clearly very new, alot of his old videos had this same format

[@AshishSharma-vz6ru]

Every 13 reasons why fan should watch this kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3rZfomFYtuea9E

[@lucluc5381]

LOL, I though it was one of the videos that were deleted and he re-uploaded it... 🤦‍♀️😂

[@teasis4285]

“Apparently I was the only kid in high school with acne...”

[@XXX-hc9cd]

HAHAHA ikr I always thought it was weird that NONE of them had no acne...

[@teasis4285]

iM sTiLL a KiD fr I get soooo insecure

[@nathanmugari9531]

Alexi 🥺🥺🥺

[@someonecalledmaya9985]

Yamna ouch probably because all of them are adults in their mid twenties to mid thirties so they don’t really get that much acne. or they’re wearing bucket-loads of makeup

[@somebody-xu4mz]

Right in most British kids sitcoms and stuff, there is always one episode where one (1) character gets one (1) spot and it is treated like the end of the world until an adult steps in in the final act and explains that it's natural and it will pass. But then, nobody ever gets another spot over the course of the series. Just a trope I've noticed and I hate it.

[@jeevaneshsawhney9726]

Euphoria is tons more realistic in this genre. It really has relatable characters.

[@Ooopshie]

@ lol

[@Manesson]

@ The bunch of " lot of peepees"comments is one of the reasons I didnt watch yet lol

[@hhtptai]

EUPHORIA IS MY SHIT.

[@Ohwowok137]

Is it on Netflix?

[@lisalovespie5626]

i wanna watch Euphoria but i've heard it's practically porn, i'm not into that lmao

[@myunderstandingscantsleepa664]

My biggest problem was ani. Thanks for coming to my ted talk

[@Kalli315]

MyUnderstandingsCantSleepAtNight that could have been the entire video. “Ani sucks” begins talking about audible.

[@jayt9701]

Why do you dislike ani so much?

[@Karaaa99]

Jaylyn 4real nosy bitch, who was just randomly thrown in and somehow became one of the main characters

[@Yas-ei3st]

I hated her at the beginning for snitching cuz I was like "who is you?" Then later she started lying and got real rude when Clay was a lil suspicious of her. Then she goes blame a dead man for murder to protect her "friends" Someone needs to remove her nosy two faced character smh

[@moonschild6313]

😭😭Fr like she is literally was always in peoples business but acted like it was sum problem when people questioned her

[@alexisbaker578]

7:47 for me it’s like I used to feel this way about euphoria and like wondering who was going through this and how comical it was that every single person was going through something insane. But what they are trying to do is recreate real life issues, and they are doing this through each character. They are trying to make each character relatable or just each character represents a different issue, like mental illness, drug addiction, alcoholism, teen suicide ect. They are giving us a variety of characters that we can relate if we are going through those issues

[@femcelgirlfren]

i love this video essay! it’s amazing please keep this up i love it way more than your regular stuff

[@abigailscorner902]

Wow can we take a minute to appreciate the look of this video

[@vish157]

His old videos used to be like this

[@astoldbynickgerr]

Yes!

[@rijaalikhan7287]

his old videos were essays like this

[@abigailscorner902]

I know he used to make vids like this buts it’s really pretty to look at

[@electricmouse5985]

Is anyone going to talk about Ani’s hypocrisy? She framed monty for murder when for the whole season she intruded upon everyone else’s lives to try to find the real murderer. she made people tell the truth, which she didn’t even deserve, to just choose the person she wants to save in the end. so annoying.

[@thejanglezclan]

Most characters were honest with a few people. Ani blatantly lied and withheld information from everyone all the time and acted so above it. She was portrayed horribly. What were the writers thinking?

[@Xemnes135869]

Her character was pointless and unlikable. Like...sleeping with bryce...yes...y?! It's like the show runners wanted her to be a anoying bitch character

[@keishaholmes544]

Seriously though, Monty deserved prison for the rape. But the logic of “he’s already going to prison so let’s frame him for murder” is stupid. Alex has NO reason to kill Bryce.

[@alicoop21]

Yeah shes new so it's not fair for her to get the whole story. She wasn't there and for them to straight up tell her the whole story it's kinda annoying

[@Xehanort10]

Not to mention her selfish "I don't care if Bryce raped other girls because I fancy him" logic.

[@infinitymixtapes9562]

Let's acknowledge the face that Jess and Alex watched Clay get arrested, knowing damn well he was innocent

[@Alibern7]

Lol right, some friends

[@NovaKnight_]

Let’s be real, they didn’t know who’d be sHoCkInG enough to be Bryce’s ultimate killer and pulled Jess and Alex out of their ass. How they acted up until the last episode didn’t hint or foreshadow anything that would assume either of them were guilty or suspicious. It’s an obvious asspull on the writer’s part, no one can convince me otherwise.

[@Snudru]

@@NovaKnight_ Honestly I'm surprised at how little I see this pointed out. I too am convinced the writers didn't know themselves until the very end or if they did know they made sure there were NO clues or hints or logic that pointed to them because SHOCK VALUE. I rewatched some of the scenes with Jess and Alex before the reveal, and there are no clues that say they DIDN'T do it, but then again everyone was supposed to be acting suspicious just for the sake of it. I'd imagine Jess and Alex to be A LOT more stressed if they were actually guilty....

[@JackalopeBunny]

@grete The only thing that hints Jess had something to do with it, was the fact near the start she has a tape with blood on it. When your watching the show and it shows the tape on her bed, right away I was like. "What's with the tape? Is that blood or nail polish?" cause it didn't really look like blood.

[@sariirenee4553]

@@NovaKnight_ EXACTLY

[@MashZ]

"Apparently I was the only kid in high school with acne" 🤣🤣

[@tired_of_everything0]

I laughed so hard

[@hatz5125]

Can't like sorry it's at 420

[@HeavyMetalKittenx]

Mash Z lmao I didn’t have it but some of my friends did

[@evl952]

People are so focused on Ani but fail to realize that Jessica and Alex almost let Clay go to jail for a crime they know he didn’t commit🤷🏾‍♂️

[@ryderwilson7955]

lol ikr

[@angelabby2379]

At least they are character from 1st and 2nd season, not fing nancy drew come out of nowhere has stupid accent and act like everyone needs her

[@trinaq]

I know, they almost let Clay get arrested to save their own skins!😤 With friends like these, indeed...

[@emyf9197]

And thats why ppl hate ani bcuz she was a distraction n annoying that... I didnt even think abt it until your comment

[@evl952]

Opaque z them being original characters doesn’t excuse poor friendship

[@malakh5579]

Nobody is talking about the editing? i love it

[@zarophia9552]

wasnt expected from his usual videos lmao

[@malakh5579]

menacholia yeah haha

[@RandomSwiftie13]

Same

[@alicen4984]

👏

[@itsokandres]

i’m a graphic designer and sorry but it’s just basic editing

[@jasonblack4208]

"and apparently I was the only kid in high school with acne" LMAO!

[@totallynotjeff7748]

My face disproves that fact.

[@AshishSharma-vz6ru]

@@totallynotjeff7748 Every 13 reasons why fan should watch this kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3rZfomFYtuea9E

[@totallynotjeff7748]

@@AshishSharma-vz6ru don't worry, I hate the show.

[@keerthikarnam9791]

@@totallynotjeff7748 ahhh me too I'm satisfied to see someone saying that

[@dreamybombstudios724]

My sister got freckles I got ache

[@Freshness0009]

Clay: “i want to seek justice and the truth!” Plot: *Alex is the one revealed to kill Bryce* Clay:......unless it’s one of my bros that kinda treated me like crap throughout most of our relationship

[@ChuruPa]

💀💀💀

[@summertime361]

That's a good point, like he didn't even blink an eye.. so dumb

[@jinpeachyy6173]

Clay just mad bryce was fucking the new chick

[@cannonfod1346]

Yes. Thank you! That was what buffled me, he suspected his friends at the beginning and goes crazy on them saying all that bs but then he found out Alex killed Bryce and they were all like, we deserve to be happy and move on at the end. WTF! Bryce and Monty weren't the best human beings but they definitely didn't deserve to die so miserably like that.

[@jinpeachyy6173]

​@@cannonfod1346 FUCK MONTY!! I only feel bad for Bryce

[@entertain7us148]

"The worst thing about 13 Reasons Why is that all its characters are defined by the worst thing that's happened to them." Great point Edit: I literally never do this but holy hell, I’ve never had this many likes for anything

[@assyrianprincess3]

Dude straight up!

[@albedox6428]

How does it end?

[@ireneneylon2404]

Spot on

[@kerrie6084]

I had some very traumatic things happen to me and it's a massive pet peeve of mine when shows either make the traumatic thing the main part of the character or when they structure the show so good things come from the traumatic thing. I get seeing the good side but the way some shows do it feels like they're almost justifying the horrible thing

[@caytlin100]

entertain7us14 amén

[@gauravjaviya7363]

Season 1 - I'm here for clay Jensen Season 3 - look how they massacred my boy

[@IvyHilts]

I was expecting to discover that Ani was a liar and was mking her own story for the police. An unreliable narrator that tells the story she'd like to have happened, but never had. Every Clay scene I was like: "Nope, ridiculous, he woud never react like this..." But in the end... So disappointing.

[@yikesgina]

@@Austmorg I thought there was only one book?

[@yikesgina]

@@Austmorg I thought there were more and I was missing something. Lol got excited for a sec

[@thelittlefriends3779]

One thing is good in season 3 and it's Tyler and Clay's relationship. How they cope. It was emotional let's be honest here.

[@sm1purplmurderedme583]

IDK IDK lmao ok ur wrong

[@MagicalWaterLight]

okay but next to everything he truthfully said, can we appreciate this insane editing?

[@ellienas5179]

This is very different from his usual videos but I loved it. I’m guessing because this is such a serious show he put all comedy aside and did a legit review rather than a funny one, but I definitely loved it. I wanna see him do more reviews like this every now and then!

[@jdg2313]

No, just no. 13 Reasons Why might be the worst show.

[@jazzypari]

S01- Hannah Baker killed herself. Here's 13 reasons why. S03- Hannah who? Edit: people coming for me in the comments y'all need to chill. This was just a joke. Y'all don't need to take it so personally like you are the writers f the show 😂

[@Lorenzo-px6pe]

ankita parody m8, the whole se old Season was about letting Hannah go and letting things go to rest. Literally one of the last scenes in season two is clay during Hannah’s funeral having a vision, as he speaks about how great she was, telling him he has to let Hannah go. And so he does, another point of this season is that this is all now bigger than Hannah. Etc.

[@HeavyMetalKittenx]

Lorenzo agreed this is what I wanted to say

[@Curtis_11]

The title of the show makes zero sense to the third season.

[@jennycarrington9035]

Ik, it just doesn’t feel like the show, I don’t really see a point in it

[@stefvnbrssl8601]

@@Curtis_11 actually it does. Every episode gives a reason who could have killed bryce and why

[@bellarkcox1243]

It is nice to see you going back to your roots. I really miss these video essays and I hope you continue to do more every now and then. It is a nice change of pace and these are just very interesting and entertaining. EDIT: Have a good morning, everyone who reads this.

[@trinaq]

I agree, I like it when Alex takes a break from his usual style once in a while and discusses more serious shows.

[@125loopy]

@@trinaq I wouldn't call 13 Reasons Why a more serious show lol. It's definitely more Degrassi than Westworld. Still a cheesy teen drama that throws in serious topics without having the depth to deal with them.

[@WWEdiva246]

Good morning to you too honey!

[@NickTheKangaroo]

I had a great morning, about 12 hours ago :)

[@AzuReGravity]

MeShannan Degrassi was a serious show though

[@ItsMeNijntje]

It also annoys me that the 'brand' of 13 reasons why is all about "talk to an adult! talk to someone you trust! go find help!" but in the show, all the kids refuse to trust adults and need to do everything themselves.... edit: everyone can stop commeting that that's the whole point of the show, to show that things get fucked up if you don't. I get it

[@KsGurlGamer]

ItsMyNijntje Maybe the point is to show how far things could possibly go if you don’t ask for help, many teenagers actually don’t ask for help in real life. (Also, it’s to cover their butts.)

[@tiktokontheclock3199]

ItsMyNijntje too true

[@entitree.]

I think that is the point. They all got into so much shit by not talking to adults. I know when I watched it I was constantly screaming at the screen “why don’t you just tell someone”. I think it worked.

[@deepshaking1]

@@entitree. I mean you also have to take into account that adults don't listen to kids and that's why they don't tell anyone. They just think alot of what kids have to say is nonsense and doesn't matter or depending on what you say you'll get in trouble for it. Also the fact that half the adults in this show are just as bad if not miles worse than some of the teenage characters.

[@entitree.]

deepshaking that’s also very true. I know a million adults in real life who are incapable of being adults.

[@aleu9895]

writers kinda forgot what their show was about

[@TheJoaopinto11]

"Dany kinda forgot..."

[@cloudbasedbear]

".... kinda"

[@kaloychenikandiyil1419]

well u stupid i guess

[@doriangalathynius2795]

Subverting expectations

[@aleu9895]

@@kaloychenikandiyil1419 ok big guy lol

[@sirenscall-x5f]

"it glorifies/glamorizes the idea of going through a traumatic experience." COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER!!!

[@sethm3856]

right! there's that saying that there's beauty in pain & from pain & trauma comes great art, poetry, writing. But real pain is just pain, there's no beauty in it. like those lyrics "you can get addicted to a certain kind of sadness", yea a really mild, more like teen angst, brooding kind of sadness. but not real sadness like depression or grief.

[@bubbles4897]

I don’t like thirteen reasons why, but how does it “glamorize” going through a traumatic experience? None of the traumatic experiences I’ve seen on the show look appealing at all

[@AmazingGolazo]

That Being Said because every single character has to go through something traumatic to be interesting or cared for. And the “normal” people are stuck in the background. It makes the viewers believe you have to go through something traumatic to be listened to. And most of the viewers are kids, which makes it even worse. Thats just what i think atleast

[@JennyofOldStones713]

That Being Said it encourages victimhood. It shows that being a “victim” makes you important, therefore more attention, more demands to be catered to. Kind of like millennials and society today.

[@zenriboakwon2921]

@@AmazingGolazo THIS!! That's exactly how I feel about this show as a whole, especially because it's far from "realistic" at least on a majority scale. It's frustrating when I have to tell me that no, I'm not like any of these characters despite having gone through some shit. And I hate explaining to my cousins that no, you don't have to go through depression or anxiety or anything TRAUMATIC to feel some kind of pain or struggle internally.

[@stelleldir]

I dislike Ani's character so much, she was such a liar. Tyler on the other hand made me cry twice. I'm so glad he was able to get better after all he went through. Also I didn't particularly dislike the season. They show how people no matter what, are capable of either good or bad.

[@cerauno21]

she defends a r*pist by using Tyler's name like wtf is wrong with u

[@stelleldir]

@@cerauno21 Idk what you are talking about.

[@michaeljohnson1300]

Finally someone points out the hypocrisy. Jessica and Alex need to be in jail. Just because trama happened does not give them a pass for murder.

[@shayla106]

Thank you. People say he deserves it, but if you plan to take the law into,your own hands you have to be ready to deal with the consequences. We as the audience have insider information, their police does not. If everyone took this approach to crime.... A lot of innocent men who have been wrongfully excused would die.

[@NovaKnight_]

Also I didn’t like how they romanticized Jess and Justin’s relationship. Acknowledging that you’re toxic for each other and then choosing to stay isn’t romantic and ‘real love’. Like, move on, geez. 🙄

[@laraa.6685]

As Jake Peralta would say, "Cool motive, still murder."

[@petriele9581]

The way Jess handled it (before she was part of murdering Bryce) was wayyyy better. she put awareness to it and was strong after all what happened.

[@animenokoijin2963]

Murder I'd wrong but imagine the PTSD if you saw your friend raped by your same rapist and reacted in flight mode in shock that's a heavy scar but it makes you crack a little not justifying but everyone is not strong willed and ut only takes a step to trigger them the whole message is be careful how you treat people you never know what a person's intentions are they could be suicidal or homicidal

[@smclean5504]

Best line: "one of the biggest things about 13RW is that we all need to listen... that's why you should get audible" lmaooo wow

[@ATHANwave]

LMAO YESSS best comercial ever

[@emmanuelpacheco8765]

The girl that was helping Jessica with the riot was more annoying than Ani

[@OwCute98]

The worst is that the actress plays the same roles over and over again !

[@jforkie1838]

Tom Cruise you’re 100% right she was so annoying, she was just like “Ik you run this committee and you were the one who was raped and all buuuuuut, your opinion doesn’t matter Bc I’m a feminist and I’m going to boycott a funeral.”

[@legitaf5072]

no she wasn't. the Annie character was useless AF and the Jessica girl was always making herself a victim

[@emmanuelpacheco8765]

@@legitaf5072 ani at least tried to be a character, even if she was bad, she does not compare to the feminist girl, which shows by the fact that none of us know the characters name nor care to find out

[@legitaf5072]

Tom Cruise the season sucked Lol

[@osatoasted]

they massacared clay so harshly.. clay used to be like just a kid whos trying to get justice but then they turned him into an obsessive and just disturbing character. but tyler was the best character since they showed how a person could turn around.

[@thejanglezclan]

Legitimately turned Clay into a bit of a simp.

[@gbabyy9822]

TJC whats a simp 😭

[@osatoasted]

TJC i just saw this comment after two months and i can agree

[@imspoon7188]

saekimaki I would have actually liked to see Bryce become a reformed character.

[@tangosparks1111]

I hated how Clay was so entitled and the world and everybody he knew could only be the way that he saw them. And he felt like he had the right to judge everyone’s actions and take matters into his own hands

[@gunaymuradova4633]

"Bryce raped many girls but he has dark past and sad life so it is okay" When will these people learn that having a past trauma doesn't justify being a horrible human being?

[@jildouopdehoek7625]

If I could like this comment a thousand times I would. Sure, a fucked up past gives someone a reason to do fucked up shit, but that doesn't justify their actions.

[@marywilliams6079]

My thoughts exactly. You can go through sh*t, but that doesn't mean you should become a sh*tty person. Instead I feel like you should be more sympathetic to people's problems and not be the cause of more horrible sh*t.

[@maadtee6281]

From what I saw it never said it was okay cause even after falling down from Grace he had his episodes of his abusive self. What we just knew is even though he did what he did he is a human being

[@FKA91]

I'm so over the "bad guy had a sad life, so it's ok if he was bad" narratives in tv shows. It's not original or interesting anymore. Not every antagonist needs to be overly humanized with a pity backstory. We already live in a world where bullies become presidents and rapists win awards. Why do we need to always woobify them in fiction too?

[@ryderwilson7955]

criminologists have to understand a criminal, thus research all their past trauma's and them being sad and good, it doesn't make the crimes go away, but these are points to consider, it's a fact.

[@overthecounterbeanie]

This show became "13 Reasons Why Gossip Girls Get Away With Murder".

[@nyshodmayo8406]

HUGELY UNDERATED COMMENT😂

[@Yas-ei3st]

Love this😂😂😂

[@xandrietv6958]

Lol for real.

[@breezytwins9963]

I LOVE THIS

[@Hi_Tamera]

So true

[@manasbansal7946]

4th season - Monty is not dead and comes back for revenge.

[@DC-Supreme]

Nah man they killing off all the jocks because people who play sports are bad. I hope monty comes back and gets exonerated for the murder and tyler and alex go to prison for the murder and nearly shooting up the school. Lowkey if tyler actually shot up the dance and killed bryce and monty that would have been a more interesting storyline. And season 3 would have been about tylers trial, showing the differences between rape and murder. And no matter how much someone's hurt people they still dont deserve to be killed.

[@Godfirst986]

@Sally Vee mane please Monty had plenty of time to change. Sometimes it's called karma that gets you and it's too late to change. You can't blame God. You got to blame yourself for not changing. He could have changed when Bryce confronted him. He could have changed multiple times. It ain't like he died soon after he raped Tyler. He died 7 or 8 months later. That's plenty of time to change. Sometimes when you do wrong, you run of time to change. That's why it's good to change quickly because you never know when your time is up. But one thing you can't say is he didn't have enough time. He had plenty of time, my guy. He just choose to not to do the right thing.

[@Godfirst986]

@Sally Vee and thirteen episodes adds to about a few months in real time when Bryce changed. Just because Monty didn't have no screen time doesn't mean he didn't have enough time to change.

[@Godfirst986]

@Sally Vee ok because that's apart of life. That's my point everybody doesn't get a chance to get a second chance to change. That's why it's good to change at the very moment. And that's because the writers wrote it like that. It's their story they can write like how ever they want because stuff like that happens in real life. Every rapist, every killer, every kidnapper, every adulterer don't get a second chance because they time ran out and that's God mercy if they do. And please Monty had plenty of time. He had about seven to eight months to change. That's plenty of time because some people rape people and die the next day. So yes, God did have grace on him. Monty just chose not to change. End of story.

[@Tizyanna]

@@Godfirst986 Monty is like almost the only semirealistic person in this season. Nobody would turn 180° like Bryce did. At least their show us Monty's background and what lead to behave the way he did. They also show us the "good side" he has at the end, to point out, that nothing's black or white. But really? He was all alone, didn't have anyone. His only true brother died, the others just listened to him but never really respected him or were his friends. His dad just threw him away, just because he's gay. And he just has noone else to talk to, gets killed and is framed of a murder he didn't do. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to idolise him but he shows one of few character from this serie, which could really exist.

[@jxnebxggy]

... I thought 13 Reasons Why was about finding out why Hannah killed herself?

[@latinalover26]

But then they saw how much money they can get if they continue the show

[@manuelkivie4488]

Kevin Jimenez LOLOL!!!

[@gaysunshineshit4662]

Masia M no one cares about hanna baker here’s ANI cos why not

[@siddzk6522]

...catch up

[@Tyler1251tyler]

Masia M season 1 was read the book and watch the first season 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@jenniferandrews6556]

I couldn't even get myself to watch season 2 let alone 3.... Edit: 2k likes, wow....but really shows that a lot of people feel the same.

[@trinaq]

Me neither, watching Tyler get assaulted in the Season 2 finale was enough to put me off watching the show for good, as it was clear that they had learned nothing about subtlety. It might have been more effective had they just shown the aftermath, and allowed the audience to fill in the blanks.

[@nooneimportant120]

Pet Shark what I suggest doing is to watch spoilers for season 2 because it’s super booooring and like so extra and then just get to season 3 because it’s sooo much better. It’s like a riverdale season 1 but with 13rw characters. It really is great (except for ani) and this comes from a non-13rw fan.

[@zora9906]

SAME

[@sarasunshinemt4444]

I binged watched 3 episodes of the first season, then had to go to bed. After sleeping on it, I realized that the show was pretty much BS and the girl that killed herself was pretty much just an attention seeking pouty teen.

[@reedsylvier5250]

I couldn't even get through half season 1

[@mogalat]

tbh, 13rw is a huge mess. also, everyone bullying and hating on the actress playing Ani needs to chill, it's just a character blame the producers not the actress herself.

[@mogalat]

@@MichelangeloVA exactly👏🏽

[@amelancholybrown2686]

@@MichelangeloVA not all of them

[@pvrkth6379]

im insulting the character but not the actress, the fact that i hate her character just shows how good her acting is

[@TaigaToraDora]

@@pvrkth6379 honestly even if she wasnt a good actress i still would have disliked her character. Her character could have NOT existed and the story would have stayed the same.

[@miaaimann6189]

kawthar rizki i haven’t even seen anybody show hate on the actor but more so the character 😭🤷🏽‍♀️

[@samash7302]

“Ani, STFU!” -Everyone

[@maiaaa6474]

lmao by the end Ani's "omniscient all knowing, able to appear at any time" 😂😂😂

[@madtitan0825]

gossipgirl 90210 littlemix bro I checked almost every review on IMDb is just complaining about this character seriously I haven’t seen season 3 so seriously how suck is this character😂😂

[@deaththekid5445]

Mad Titan basically just know the character is so dumb and bad that people have bullied her Actor as if she is Ani off of Social Media

[@Evypttt]

Tyler was the best character this season hands down. He had a BEAUTIFUL development, he was broken, picked up the pieces, and put them back together. 🥺

[@scarlet8078]

I agree. Tyler was literally the only interesting character to me. His arc is also what saved Season 2 imo. That actor did such a good job portraying a male victim of assault, I literally got tears in my eyes when he told Clay what happened. That should've been a focus of this season rather than trying to cover some random "hot topic" each episode - abortion, deportation, addiction, steroids, etc. All of those are important issues but they weren't handled in-depth and so it was hard to care about them. I mean... chloe could've been an interesting character too but why have only 1 episode with her and it's all about abortion

[@shayla106]

E slater School shooter. Awww so sad 😒. I mean just know that he almost shot up a school and his friends covered for him just like they did with Bryce’s murder, it really makes you feel for them all. Like how they all deserve jail time. Because they still broke the law and Jessica has been going on about owning up to actions. And telling on people even if they are your friends.

[@oxblooddaisy3182]

@@scarlet8078 Exactly! They were trying to say abortion shouldn't define you but then they made it define her???? Like??

[@ziiineb9037]

Hey can I ask you something, at the beginning of the show we saw Ani cleaning up some blood of a white shirt, so what was that exactly??

[@shayla106]

ziii neeb it was just paint.

[@meakearosejones4207]

Ani seemed to magically be everyone’s best friend too, even though she just showed up 5 minutes prior. I hate when shows do that, when 2 people meet and by the end of the episode they’re overcoming some meaningful, incredibly private problem and celebrate like they’ve known each other since kindergarten.

[@josephc901]

Meakearose Jones she also apparently felt she had the right to expose everyone’s secrets when she didn’t know them for more than 2 minutes

[@lethalassassin1754]

Shes a self insert fanfiction character. Idk who wrote her into this season:..

[@ziiineb9037]

Hey can I ask you something, at the beginning of the show we saw Ani cleaning up some blood of a white shirt, so what was that exactly??

[@ziiineb9037]

Hey can I ask you something, at the beginning of the show we saw Ani cleaning up some blood of a white shirt, so what was that exactly??

[@janap2731]

@@ziiineb9037 it was paint that spilled from the homecoming

[@kathylopez6767]

What did 13 reasons why show us? If you're gonna kill someone it helps if your pops is a cop.

[@thejanglezclan]

Alex's dad conspired with the kids to have Monty killed in jail. That would actually make more sense than anything.

[@Xehanort10]

Doubly so if he's also Lucifer.

[@rb1098]

Ani annoyed me so much. She sounded like a fan fiction written character.

[@nkirukaj2384]

The “wish fulfillment” character

[@Pixilers]

I’m sorry but her voice was SOOO annoying like honestly couldn’t stand it

[@luizamedeiros5476]

rebeccabroski at least she didn’t annoy me like Tyler and Jessica did

[@obstinateundead3931]

@@luizamedeiros5476 You mean Alex and Jessica? Cause does two was about to let Clay get arrested for something he didn't do.

[@pigfang1015]

I liked her

[@m1sterch3f7]

I REALLY hope that no one has to go through *the mop scene*

[@mackaylacook148]

Oh God it was horrible I felt sick to my stomach, I almost threw up, honestly I felt cold and clammy after that scene

[@resnonverba3140]

M1ster Ch3f I cried when I first watched that scene

[@theotakuking4136]

Happened last year at an all boys school. It was a prank at first but they didnt stop and here we are with 7 or 9 people expelled

[@m1sterch3f7]

What kind of sick *frick* would do that, *AS A PRANK*

[@theotakuking4136]

@@m1sterch3f7 they were all originally joking around and one thing led to the next and here we are now. It was with a broom shaft in a boyd locker room. Theres even a video of it and according to the head police chief in charge with sex crimes and offenders "this is the most graphic and horrible thing he has seen in his professional career" he gave an estimate of how long he had been working as one i dont remember the number nor his exact words but thats the gist of it

[@kori5147]

“ apparently I was the only kid who had acne “ bey I FELT that💀😭

[@lucybarnes8969]

Amen oof

[@kori5147]

Kenneisha Rolle , Jamaican boo😚

[@Mikol_Billy]

Lmao I said that to my girlfriend half way through the season “for a bunch of teenagers in high stress situations, their skin is awfully clear”

[@katied1964]

HL Vlogs makeup lol

[@Mikol_Billy]

katie d OH! Thanks detective! 😀

[@thegooddinggleberry]

Protesting a funeral is a line to far, for anyone. Even the worst society has families, and the only thing you where doing tossing out more hate into the world.

[@mollie.28.15]

Daniel Magger exactly. Funerals aren’t meant for the dead, they’re for the living friends and family of the dead person therefore protesting it means that you have a problem with the living people who did nothing wrong, not the dead person.

[@johndoe-mz6rz]

Thats why she tried to stop them from protesting it

[@pyroshayniac1090]

Yeah, why did the show make rape survivors villainous?

[@Xehanort10]

And tried to make rapists seem like poor victims.

[@youtubealtaccount7163]

@@pyroshayniac1090 Couldn't have said it better myself

[@BugsyFoga]

The biggest problem is that there's Season 3 of this show .

[@larissaquick6439]

Yea season 1 is the best

[@poopityscoop839]

Period. I honestly don’t understand why my friends and classmates like this show and why it’s praised for being “So realistic” when there’s other shows that portray mental illness, death, rape, and suicide without glamming it up.

[@damsapollo]

even S2 is a mistake too.

[@priyatiwari__]

And now they're gonna make season 4 too. ugh

[@chawmila]

Honestly S2 was a must. Bc they showed every story has 2 sides. But this season was more like Riverdale and not necessary. Loved the character development but the season was so boring (bc of Ani mostly tbh)

[@Bombaclit]

Season 1: _Hannah Bakers suicidal death_ Season 3: _Bryce Walker’s death_ Season 5: _Jessica’s death by suicide_ Clay: “Well there goes my teenage life!”

[@rohankhubchandani3694]

There won’t even be a season 5 they said said season 4 is the last season

[@gaseday1]

No season 5 will be clay’s suicide and he will narrate

[@cassiusfelix2805]

Well

[@thesnipingspider3852]

Babydraw I stg

[@stanley2588]

Almighty season 30 : Netflix just needs money at this point

[@khadijahmuhammad4771]

I didn't like how they framed Clay and Hannah's relationship as a one sided obsession. Ani herself admitted that she knew practically nothing about Hannah, but she still talked about the relationship to mischaracterize Clay.

[@noone9811]

Khadijah Muhammad she also framed that clay was obsessed with her when she was the one to initiate their first kiss.. god I hate her

[@KeplerOne1]

Season 1: "SHE KILLED HERSELF BECAUSE OF ALL OF YOU! AND YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT!!1!" Season 3 : "So we straight up murdered the guy and got another bad dude killed, completely lied about it to the cops, but it's okay u know we're the good guys.yay."

[@aidillaarumdipta2073]

couldnt said it better myself they know monty will die soon so they just easily frame it on him knowing that he wont able to defend himself in court

[@mikeockslong5047]

They didn't get Monty killed he was already in jail for the Tyler incident

[@maadtee6281]

Well Monty was in jail because of what he did to Tyler and knowing his attitude he was probably killed because of it

[@TheCommonGentry]

Someone finally gets me! Thank you, Keps!

[@tochiiii]

It was so unfair what they did to him even if he wasn't dead you can't just blame someone bcus they're already in jail on. THEY'RE ALL BAD PPL apart from Sherri WE WANT SHERRI BACK

[@isaiahpanariso8827]

Missed the opportunity for "13 reasons why I hate 13 reasons why season 3"

[@LAC-bk2fo]

Isaiah Panariso omg I did an IGTV on the third season and didn’t even think of thaz

[@nullvoid9154]

You missed the opportunity to spell "opportunity" correctly. Your computer has autocorrect, right? How fucking difficult would that be for you to utilize?

[@annaunicorn7623]

Null & Void well aren’t you just a ray of sunshine?

[@annaunicorn7623]

Probably because there’s already an article titled that. Great minds think alike

[@dupersupersteven]

Null & Void I dont think computers have autocorrect lmao not mine at least. Don’t come at someone for their grammar. Nobody uses it on youtube

[@NovaKnight_]

I only kept watching to see if Tyler was okay. 😩

[@f4ded420]

Same tbh ngl

[@Yas-ei3st]

Yes! Best character this whole season. He was so cute when he started smiling again🤗

[@kellsweettheshortie8622]

Big facts💯

[@Longtallnikki61]

ALL of this!

[@Evypttt]

Tyler is forever my babyyyy he makes me feel his emotions with him 😭🤞🏾

[@sarahroudon3639]

I HATED the ending of this season because of exactly this. They WHOLE POINT of the show was about justice and uncovering the truth. But then at the end they cover a murder! Like, don’t get me wrong, I agree with Clay that the world is better off without Brice, but those two just watched him drown! I watched it with my best friend and we COMPLETELY disagree about the ending. I think they deserve to go to jail.

[@IvyHilts]

"The criminals have to pay... But only if the crime affects me or my friends, and If we are the criminals, well, we are friends and we've been throug a lot, so we can get away with everything". Terrible season, terrible message.

[@kideffron]

💯👍

[@herebyhereby2874]

the show aint finished dumbass

[@sarahroudon3639]

Hereby Hereby so? It not being finished doesn’t mean I can’t hate the ending of one of the seasons

[@herebyhereby2874]

@@sarahroudon3639you don't review a show based off half the seasons you have seen of it. You wait for the final outcome. They're still showing that actions have consequences and is the running theme. You wait.

[@LukeAlexander]

I literally couldn’t get through the first 15 minutes of episode 1 it was so dry boring and repetitive? Idk they should have stopped after season 1 it’s neither entertaining nor helpful

[@hannahbaxter8825]

I got 2 to 3 episodes in and couldn't get through it, it was terrible and I'm so dissapointed

[@Rose-cq3bf]

@@hannahbaxter8825 same

[@wobbler6372]

You did well I got to 4 . That was it . It was good old woke Netflix . Same with black is the new orange . Both junk . Stanger things next let see have crap that become

[@krystalharris1259]

I kind of just wished that it was a two hour/two part movie. That way we could have had all of the details describe and discuss. And it just would have been so much nicer lie... And it would have already been on the shelves by now. And I wouldn't have to wait season after season to get a show that I already know who did what. But okay

[@HH-rg3bp]

Hannah Baxter LoL your name sounds like Hannah baker

[@jennajones4334]

The only thing I enjoyed about s3 was seeing Tyler grow through his pain and end up getting justice against monty

[@colelikescartoons6662]

I cried during Bryce’s flashbacks with his mom. This is the worst ending with him. It hurts me that when he tries to get better he get murdered. Didn’t even get juctise

[@Mh-xe1zh]

ColelikesCartoons justice for what exactly please tel me

[@anon7969]

Same I just wanted to give him a hug

[@Nicamon]

Which is more than I enjoyed about season 1&2."13 Reasons Why"sucks but this season is the less of 3 evils for now.

[@Mh-xe1zh]

sadboihours & that’s exactly how they wanted us to react. I literally don’t feel bad for a serial rapist

[@b.3.l1.a64]

Monty didn't deserve to die like that and it wasn't fair that Alex didn't pay for what he did. Jessica is such a hypocrite.

[@moonlightriverra6019]

Fr tho

[@Anetusn]

Bella Boop how did Monty not deserve it. He shoves a broom stick up a guy who had to go through therapy for previous trauma.. monty deserved what he god .

[@angela-kp4xv]

Bella Boop Monty deserves to rot in hell

[@yourfavoritepessimisticexi8041]

I don't feel bad for Monty even though I haven't watched that episode. Jessica is being a hypocrite though.

[@yourfavoritepessimisticexi8041]

@@Anetusn facts

[@Wahsup05]

I'm still wondering what happened to the other characters from season 1 and 2... Like wtf they seemingly disappeared

[@cjw8773]

The Asian and black chick graduated high school

[@champagnepapi1584]

Cj Warren Courtney didn’t graduate, she was in like one episode

[@gauriparvatiberg8057]

@@champagnepapi1584 The part where Courtney is in, is a flashback scene. The flashback scene takes place shortly after the spring fling (where the school shooting almost happened), so its still the 3rd year of high school for characters like Clay, Jessica, Tyler, Ani, etc, and its Courtney's senior and final year. The events of Season 3 takes place during the senior year of the characters who were in their 3rd year during the spring fling/Season 2, so Courtney has already graduated like Marcus and Ryan. Hence we don't see them this Season.

[@champagnepapi1584]

Gauri Parvati BERG Okay thanks

[@Wahsup05]

@@gauriparvatiberg8057 ahh great insight thanks I'm not from the US so I didn't know 😂

[@enoch1628]

13 reasons why had a drop in script writing, just like Riverdale.

[@saruoack5700]

It will never be as bad as Riverdale

[@enoch1628]

@@saruoack5700 maybe, maybe not

[@maiaaa6474]

@@enoch1628 ew 13rw is soooo Much better nooo

[@enoch1628]

@@maiaaa6474 just because it's better than Riverdale doesn't mean it hasn't gone downhill

[@makelizabeth272]

The show should've stuck to one season tbh.

[@KarlaRodriguez-ku3fp]

Jessica's new sexual craving was very unnecessary. Ani's character was also unnecessary. The whole 3rd season was unnecessary.

[@ivannapaisa3512]

Exactly!!

[@supermulticouloured]

season 1 and 2 were unnecessary also

[@nullvoid9154]

The sex thing was unnecessary. Ani was annoying. I disagree. I enjoyed the third season for what it was and am looking forward to season 4.

[@silkyslleep6427]

@@nullvoid9154 I honestly don't want another season to occur. They have nothing more to add. The more they do the less realistic it gets, it should go to rest. Most loose ends were tied up so adding more just creates a bigger mess

[@nullvoid9154]

@@silkyslleep6427 That's just it. It's not meant to be therapeutic or anything of the sort. It's just another teen drama like any other. I mean c'mon it's exaggerated to all Hell. Realism was never a factor and it was never intended to prevent anything or take the place of an actual therapist. Producers were practically forced to slap the disclaimer on the show for the sake of the content. It's just a teen soap opera. Also, the guns lost in the river? Monty's "boyfriend" finding out about how he was framed? Do those not sound like loose ends? They do to me.

[@lorayne._.3490]

riverdale and 13 reasons why should’ve stopped at season 1 tbh

[@stefvnbrssl8601]

Riverdale script writers are high on fizzle rocks I guess and it shows. But 13 reasons why is not bad at all in my opinion

[@miafethiere2366]

I think riverdale was probably always bad but when season one came out we prolly only liked it because the majority viewers at that time were like 11 years old

[@bridonahue6469]

couldnt agree more

[@HELLO_KORO]

Fr Fr

[@lorayne._.3490]

Mia Fethiere couldn’t agree more lolol i feel like actual adults prefer watching sitcoms like Friends rather than shows where teenagers pretend to be adults lmaaooo

[@megusik30]

Clay’s greatest weakness is his loyalty to others. He should’ve gotten Alex and Jessica arrested, even though they had trauma. Montgomery had severe trauma as well, and in the end got murdered in Alex’s behalf.

[@foreversimgirl828]

megusik30 tbh Monty was going to be murdered either way. I just thought it was wrong for them to pin the blame on him whether he died or not.

[@johndoe-mz6rz]

No he got killed for rape then after he died they put the blame on him next time think about what you say

[@tylerthompson7277]

john doe I thought Justin got Seth to kill Monty which was referring to the “ homework”

[@johndoe-mz6rz]

Red Hawk stfu what are you even talking about

[@foreversimgirl828]

john doe wait was your first comment directed towards me ?

[@125loopy]

I think this show is garbage but I really miss your video essays. Your style is gorgeous 😍

[@mikam123]

yessss i love your video essays!!

[@sydstowe6163]

Agreed! I love this format

[@trinaq]

Ditto, while I love the usual animations, I like this somber, introspective look as well. 😀

[@megan_7086]

Same

[@johndoe-mz6rz]

So you came here just to hate?

[@elchirpo3016]

Ani was the most obnoxious and annoying character I’ve seen in any type of show ever.

[@poodook]

El Chirpo she is awful lol

[@Uncutdatingtruths2]

lol everybody hates her

[@JessBessTess]

That was my issue with this season. For two whole seasons, clay wanted to find out the truth and get justice for those harmed and put away those guilty. But if it's his friends who are guilty, he will do anything to frame someone else to get them off. It's such a bullshit plot and it absolutely goes against everything the show is supposed to be in season 1 and 2

[@hannahkovalcik2905]

Yep, your totally right

[@Alibern7]

They are going to go more into that In season 4

[@shayla106]

Cameron Field We both know they’re going to pull the cheap card of 1 or 2 turning themselves in and the others will get away with covering up a murder/ assisting in a murder.

[@DeMafiaGirl]

I feel like Ani was like some perfect self insert oc type of character that everyone suddenly trusts for no reason and she's like friends with everyone on all sides and main character loves her and so does the "villain" character and she's always overhearing everything and putting herself into situations that have nothing to do with her it's like... Why :') I like her mother and their arc but it could have been done so much better imo. It feels like she just comes out of nowhere and takes the spotlight

[@thejanglezclan]

it makes NO sense why a secretive group would trust "the new girl" with so much information. It destroys logic.

[@Xehanort10]

She was basically a Mary Sue who seemingly appeared out of thin air.

[@honppeyricysorcin8908]

Exactly like a self insert fanfic

[@liyasya172]

well I don't love her. She comes outta now where and is so nosy about the main characters. She doesn't have anything to do with them, so could she just you gtfo? I stopped watching season 3 because of her and clay 😪

[@Bamgeutcutiepie]

*AGREE* :) I honestly can't believe they ruined Alex' character like that :(

[@kimani2286]

Violet Daisy his character was always ruined for me

[@Jaxworld23]

even zach

[@not-bv1ek]

i hated alex

[@Jordan-db2og]

He was an asshole from season 1

[@kimiayazdani3295]

zach and alex were too good for do that horrible things in last 2 seasons. well alex had issues and he gets better but zach?!? i didn't like it at all!

[@Cooldoge67]

The biggest problem was adding Ani into the show.

[@heyfay244]

Cooldoge67 she was such a nosy bitch right?!

[@s.a1011]

Yes , like, we didn’t need her to carry on the stoRY-

[@trinaq]

Ditto, I was confused as to how quickly Ani was accepted into the dynamics of the main group, and knew everyone's secrets, despite having only just gotten to the school, and BARELY knowing these people. Grace Saif did what she could with her role, and doesn't deserve the hate she received, which caused her to quit social media.😩

[@AdrianLeiz]

YES.

[@Missmagazinebura]

Yes

[@queenkatara7861]

Bryce: *R*pes Jessica while she’s barely conscious* *R*pes Hannah and is one of the biggest reasons why she killed herself* *Does the same to his own girlfriend Chloe* *Freaks out on Zach for getting closer to Chloe* *Scares a little kid when he’s tRyInG tO cHaNgE* *Says he’s r*ped 8 or 9 other girls but isn’t even sure how many* *Beats up characters* *Covers up Monty beating up Winston because Monty’s clearly “one of the only good ones left”* *Is a drug dealer* *On top of all the terrible things he’s done, he tries to prove his innocence last season and doesn’t accept the consequences of his actions in any way, shape, or form* 13 Reasons Why writers: Bryce was a good person in the end and trying to change.

[@shayla106]

Yeah using Ani to try to humanize him felt wrong. People know rapists are human, but he did a fucked up things and it can’t be justified. However, I hope all the main characters got Jain for breaking the law. Murder, accessory to murder, and hiding information pertaining to the murder. Just like Bryce actions can’t be excused they can’t excuse their actions.

[@latinalover26]

Season lesson: how to get away with murder

[@latinalover26]

Season 3*

[@Shadowashai]

Really well said

[@mr.miscellaneous1079]

But he was trying to change tho. One of the point of this seasons was mainly to show you that people you perceive to be "monsters" aren't entirely monsters, as in they have lives that aren't related to the negative things they do to a person, Byrces friends are conflicted on how to feel about his death cause of how supportive he was in their life and how he was a brother to them when in need i.e Justin and Monty, his mother was distraught at her son who she very much was appalled at because he's a rapist by dying because there's no chance to change anymore, as she personally got to see him try to be better with therapy and trying to fix their estranged relationship, all this is gone now and no longer possible. Ani who spent the most time with him, eveen tho she's been here the least amount of time, got to see his most positive sides compared to any other character and even grieved his death because she truly believed he didn't deserve it, hell even Jessica his victim didn't think he deserved to die. Now did he relapse into past behavior like dealing drugs and harming people? yes ofc he did, that's part of the improvement process. People fall back into old bad habits regardless if they want to or not, they don't simply change without hurdles just cause they want to, i.e Justins drug problem, Jessicas never ending battle with her assault, Clays constantly overlooked mental health concerns and lack of self worth, Alex re-attempting to suicide. Im not sure what you're trying to point out ( i would like to note that the writers did a horrendous job with making bryce the worst rapist ever and then trying to see if he's redeemable in this one, they're basically two different people now and it's jarring)

[@TheRealSandman]

Really annoyed me how Alex got away with it & they all covered it up, made all the build up seem a bit anti climactic

[@aichaboo3742]

RyaanS Music exactly and the fact that he did that shit and Jessica and made everyone go through it

[@niconetwork_wickedninja]

And he still gets no consequences in the last season

[@emilyogiorumua4738]

I wish they kept monty alive so they could explore the prison system

[@larenaamorette]

If only they mentioned how they died at least.

[@charumathy_02]

That's why they ended him in jail

[@jennydelreal8267]

Larena Abdon i believe they briefly said he was beat or killed in his cell which is really sad to me, even if he was a horrible person

[@leonardoives7076]

I thought he killed himself in his cell

[@jennydelreal8267]

Leonardo Ives Alex’s dad tells ani during her confession that monty was killed by a fellow inmate but tbh we didn’t see a body so Monty might actually not be dead. Alex was presumed dead at the end of season 1, but came back season 2 so who knows

[@wen2936]

They are just milking this whole thing now, they should’ve stopped after season one honestly.

[@jennrose92]

I agree. Though I understood the reason for a second season, but it should have definitely never had a season 3, and especially not a season 4. I'm like why? I'll probably still watch out of curiosity either way.

[@Whatdafaccio]

Season 2 was a big let down. The plot was horrible and the characters were like completely new people. I honestly thought season 1 was good.

[@Shockwave99999]

It should've ended with season 1. Just take out the cliffhangers like tylers guns and alex trying to commit suicide

[@wen2936]

WhatDaFaccio E I know! I loved season 1. It was so beautiful and even tho it wasn’t a carbon copy of the book, it still did it justice. I cried so much over it. But season 2 was such a let down that I didn’t even bother watching season 3

[@daniabarajas3]

Hannah is dead like let her Rest In Peace this show should have only had one season

[@nullvoid9154]

So stop watching?

[@kobeisgoated29]

Then stop watching

[@missmoxie9188]

Thank you

[@ainsleyharriottsspicymeat8909]

It should’ve had 2. It closed perfectly imo.

[@Tyler1251tyler]

Lizbeth Barajas no it shouldn’t of been one season that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard all these seasons are amazing nobody likes it Bc everyone thinks what they want is good or something that needs to happen when half of the people watching it don’t even know what’s happening 😂 if it was so bad nobody would be talking about it still good or bad you know you’ll watch season 4

[@haileyk7941]

Annie is so annoying!! I just don't like her character Its so annoying Clay deserves to date the other girl NOT Annie

[@aichaboo3742]

Hailey K ani* but I agree I hate her so much

[@pine._.apples588]

Like Sheri they were very cute

[@uno3542]

I know right! She nosy and it’s annoying af

[@emmabaxevani773]

The biggest problem of this season is ani

[@demarr5811]

Oh dont get me fucking started

[@iCherub]

Yeah I hate how she's all like "oh I know everyone and I know all their secrets" please just stfu

[@arim.8614]

Yeah omg she was so terrible

[@chimchan8248]

She was so unecessary like these teens are hiding some huge ass secrets and she smoothly gets them to tell her everything

[@chimchan8248]

She's so creepy

[@oddysixl]

Is the problem how they took a basically finished story and twisted to fit a power fantasy

[@irenenenene212]

Season 4: *Hannah goes back to life* Me: *NaNi?!?*

[@99oildrops]

Guess maybe Clay buried her in the Pet Semetary. 😂

[@aditibisht22]

I wish.

[@zxme_nagito901]

@@99oildrops Bahahaha 😂

[@atomsk1972]

How about repetitive dialogue; eg "Do you actually believe (person) is capable of that?" (Every answer) "I don't know." - everytime. Once you see the patterns it'll drive you crazy ... another "You have to believe me".

[@angelaoriel5912]

and bryce's "you are a pussy ass bitch" to bryce which he repeated thrice in one scene HAHA WHY

[@ShadowWolfe]

"Everyone is defined by the worst thing that happened to them" sounds like high school

[@batistic2]

They are in high school.. =)

[@JJ-zm3ne]

Cameron Field and everyone didn’t know about everyone else’s baggage

[@truegirl2anna]

Ummmm what high school did you go to lol?? Most kids didn’t give a damn about anyone elses’ problems unless it was within your immediate friend group. The worst thing I’ve ever seen is seeing a sophomore girl pregnant that “effected” the school, but that’s it. Or someone committing suicide. The day to day “omg Jessica kissed Jake” is so unrealistic and such a stereotypical high school move. Including all the parties in this show. Lol. This is more how college works if anything.

[@leonaotto8181]

I was disappointed when I found out who killed Bryce! Should have been a better ending

[@trinaq]

I know, especially as the perpetrator didn't really have a reason to kill Bryce. Anyone else might have made more sense. Clay, Jessica, Justin or Zach might have been more credible as the killer.

[@toastyturtle6061]

F

[@MashZ]

@@trinaq ikr. He has been buying steroids from Bryce, vandalising houses togethere,going to prostitutes together etc. And then all of a sudden he finds him lethally wounded and just kills him off because Zach will get in trouble for wounding Bryce?? Like bruh. Wtf lmao

[@ashleyramirez1281]

I was hoping for a Et tu, Brute? moment

[@maadtee6281]

I'm just happy Tyler is finally really happy for once

[@euphoricvai]

The biggest problem with 13 reasons why season 3 is that it exists

[@sammybosak10]

Says a k pop fan boy

[@euphoricvai]

@@sammybosak10 how is that related to this?

[@trinaq]

True, I liked the first season, as it made sense. The second, while having some problems, was mostly watchable as well. The third just feels like they're trying too hard, and the premise is stale at this stage now.

[@salthesalmonshark6849]

I liked the third season much more than the last two tho. Except for that annoying Brittish narrator.

[@vilgot9570]

Sammy 10 how in anyway does that relate to this

[@Ash-hx1jz]

I wanted to know more about the track girl who burned the clubhouse polaroids at the the end of S2

[@madwildocean03]

yeah i hated her too lol. this could have all ended in one split second but nOOOO

[@gbabyy9822]

x_sophia.l_x ikr

[@bluehearts2x]

x_sophia.l_x it’s never that easy

[@madwildocean03]

@@bluehearts2x I know. I'm a victim/survivor so I get it but still

[@Hina621]

Yeah. What happened to her?

[@saryuvatte7857]

*The biggest problem with 13 Reasons Why* Problem : *Ani*

[@vickknewzeus7443]

Saryu Vatte Ani was just nosey.The real bad guys are Jessica, and Alex.

[@Yas-ei3st]

Agreed. She needs to be removed from the equation

[@Yas-ei3st]

@@vickknewzeus7443 Nah she just as bad.

[@kellsweettheshortie8622]

Her noseyness did bother me it was how she was suspicious of everyone else when she was laying up with the worst if them all

[@hannahkovalcik2905]

Straight up facts

[@lanadelrey6613]

We do learn that Ani is a pathological liar 😂😂

[@Xehanort10]

And all because she had the hots for Bryce apparently.

[@daddymohua5921]

Wait who's Ani?

[@yu-gi-noob9656]

Daddy Mohua That black girl who for some reason knows everything.

[@daddymohua5921]

@@yu-gi-noob9656 Righttt thank you!

[@mayakern5876]

Ani is the biggest problem. Took 1 sec to figure that out.

[@santhoshi9962]

Maya Kern she wasn’t even needed to be in the show. Extra characyer

[@jahzeel6973]

@@Unknown-zt8mz we could have seen bryces redemption without Ani, he showed it many times without Ani being there, especially the scenes with his mother. I mentioned this before to someone else and they said Ani being there showed that Bryce can be in a relationship and not be a monster (I do think that was a good point). I don't mind them adding a new character but I think Ani was poorly written

[@elisadjones]

honestly could not stand her

[@yikesgina]

Y'all I hated Monty a lot. Right up until the end when we met his dad and my chest tightened. And then he got blamed for Bryce's death after he died. That will never be okay.

[@presleyshanafelt8556]

Please do Euphoria! It’s the best show ever. Edit: just my opinion on Euphoria is that it’s not very realistic but it does represent so many people and just they music and makeup looks are amazing! So please don’t attack me. Have a good day:)

[@Bamgeutcutiepie]

Glamour 476 may I ask why? :) you can like it. But why the best you’ve ever seen? Genuinely curious :)

[@lilgod3132]

my problem with the show is how hard it prides itself on being realistic but how absolutely far removed from reality it actually is. besides getting obvious legal things right, the the writers seem to have no idea how the world, and by extension teenagers, are like. and the thing is, they don't want to learn. they don't listen to the opinions of experts on how to deal with certain things. a good example was the complete 180 they on Bryce's character. they portrayed him as a one dimensional, sex-obsessed villain for two whole seasons, and then suddenly want to make him a good guy again? that kind of change doesn't happen in less than a year. i'm not saying that people that do horrible things can't ever get better, but the writers don't seem to understand that this kind of change takes a lot of time. bryce was clearly portrayed to think of women as objects and had uncontrollable sexual urges, and it would realistically take a lot of time and therapy to be able to get him out of that. but instead of showing a process, the writers were just like "yo what if he just like respects women now all of the sudden" ad called it character development. it completely lacks subtlety. you don't just become a good guy overnight. they clearly had no ideas for the third season and decided to make up the whole bryce arc so last minute. thank you for reading my essay i got carried away..

[@dollysolon1236]

It's a TV show, it was already assumed that a lot of things had already happened. And of course Bryce didn't changed overnight, that's why they had back stories, going back and forth. It was assumed that it was already a year later from the timeline of season 2. We can't cover an entire whole year of event for a show. What?! 🤦🏻

[@mercyxmutual]

You're right in saying things don't happen overnight but I think the bigger goal was to show it *can* happen. Bryce showed that he understood that he was still fucked before he was killed but the more important thing is he wanted to change and I personally believe that desire can easily be triggered from the trial, ostracism and general shit he endured after being exposed as asshat rapist. People want to be liked. Even if he didn't make any severe real progress on the inside, I think it's completely plausible to come to the conclusion that within a year he could've been heading in a decent direction. He wasn't perfect on the bridge. Clearly. But he was better. Side note: not excusing what he did. Asshat rapist in the past. But I believe he didn't want to be that anymore. At the very least.

[@NovaKnight_]

mercyxmutual I agree with the OP, you can’t dispel realism just to prove someone *can* change in a couple of months. It doesn’t take a couple of months in reality to change a serial rapist, there’s too much psychological unpacking to do. If he was just a generic ‘I shove kids in lockers’ guy, sure, but he was a serial rapist. I get showing someone has the ability to change and reflect, but his change of heart wasn’t realistic at all-which matters since the show prides itself on ‘realism’ and ‘showing real issues, unfiltered blah blah blah’.

[@user-mp3su3xg3r]

nah, bryce's character development was on point, i actually felt for the dude

[@lilgod3132]

to all the people saying it’s just a tv show, y’all ignored my point about how the writers constantly suck their own cocks about how their portrayal of issues is ~so realistic~. if they didn’t say how true to life their show is every five fucking minutes i’d have less of a problem with it.

[@abbydaniel3754]

"the biggest problem with 13 Reasons Why season 3" My mind: Ani

[@justamanofculture12]

*2030:* "13 seasons why?"

[@calliopedollhouse259]

Just A Man of Culture actually season 4 will be the last season

[@jesseperkins9669]

The worst part is that people actually act like the show is good/deep.

[@kleinmein192]

True lmfao

[@sounakmitra990]

The Seson 1 was the best.

[@jasamkojajesam6108]

Cuz the show was deep u idiot. It was about suicide.

[@gabe4433]

Jesse Perkins you do realize not everyone shares the same opinion on things right ? Sheep

[@R_athanak]

L B. Lmao yeah it glorified suicide and everyone complained about when it came out.

[@PinkSweetsXl3]

If the show was realistic at all, they'd all end up in jail at the end of season 4. They are covering up a MURDER. Ridiculous.

[@shortangel333]

I hope thats how it ends, they are all horrible characters that dont deserve a happy end

[@destinyn63]

PinkSweetsXl3 exactly. I can’t believe Zach got off so easily like wth?

[@TheStarPrincess8]

Exactly. Everyone’s that a “good guy” is really all shit! MURDERING a rapist doesn’t make murder ok. So hopefully everyone goes to shit or jail.

[@HerrMisterTheo]

Whadoyoumean? What's unrealistic about everyone covering up a murder and getting away with it, all while framing a classmate who then gets beaten to death in jail? Isn't that just normal Highschool life? Haven't we all covered up a murder or two?

[@kyky6825]

It’s just a show ...

[@jordanelizabeth2206]

JEFF STILL DESERVES BETTER. Charlie was a nice charter fr

[@yourfavoritepessimisticexi8041]

Facts, I love them

[@ziiineb9037]

Hey can I ask you something, at the beginning of the show we saw Ani cleaning up some blood of a white shirt, so what was that exactly??

[@nati9731]

@@ziiineb9037 it was paint

[@jordanelizabeth2206]

@@ziiineb9037 It was paint from the rally

[@TheFrogLord-ed5tz]

@@ziiineb9037 during the homecoming fight she spilled the red paint on that shirt.

[@athenarose1298]

I really struggled watching season 3, it was just so different that the other two seasons. The characters, the premise and the way they presented the issues

[@imsorry888]

Agree I jus rewatched, now I think they should’ve ended after season 2

[@Prettyautumnrain]

First season was a romanticized version of suicide, and shouldn’t have existed. Season 2 and 3 made everything worse than it already was lol

[@bluekat1904]

Mary Winter but you have watched every season.....hmmm are you just complaining because it's the popular thing to do?

[@coco-de5vj]

How was it romanticised??? I hate when people use that word carelessly, literally when in the scenes was suicide ONCE romanticised?

[@rohankhubchandani3694]

I hate how everyone always says, “the first season glorifies suicide” because no it didn’t. Did you see the scene in the last episode of season 1 when she kills herself. It’s fucking disgusting, and they didn’t take that scene lightly to make people realize how ugly and brutal suicide is.

[@Summer-nd7gf]

@@rohankhubchandani3694 legit psychologists told the producers to not put that scene in but they ignored all that. I don't think anyone believes suicide is a light topic and understands suicide isn't sunshine and rainbows. Hannah killed herself for revenge and for everyone to feel bad about what they did. She made the tapes for a reason. I only watched people's review of the show cause effort to watch it and what I found was mostly negative reviews yet the producers don't think about improving it.

[@makelizabeth272]

@@Summer-nd7gf I don't think it was exactly for revenge. People who are that depressed often aren't thinking straight, they feel alone and isolated and unloved. They often think the world would be better off without them. Making the tapes was like writing a suicide note. Now, I'll admit, it was a bit of a fucked up thing to do. I'm not exactly defending Hannah for that. But I dont think her motive was revenge.

[@verbaliris]

This show basically says that its ok to let a rapist go without any legal punishments because eventually they might grow from it. Thats so wrong.

[@PsYcHoSiS11]

No... no it doesn't... literally at all lmao

[@emmac7509]

Ace no it doesn’t it shows that most times with those cases the victim almost never gets justice for what happened

[@shangrilaw7561]

loGic Psychosis It kind of does. Giving Bryce a redemption arch completely defeats the purpose of the last season and any push to have him punished. Season 3 is written in a way where you’re supposed to feel sympathy for Bryce. So in that sense, the show is pretty much saying it’s okay that Bryce wasn’t found guilty in court because he’s trying to redeem himself now and that makes everything okay now. It’s blatantly written in a way where you’re supposed to feel bad that people are being mean to the serial rapist because he’s trying to redeem himself. Which is a horrible way to go about it. It may not have been the writers intention, but that’s certainly the message their sending.

[@turma8eac]

And that it’s ok to murder someone if they are assholes Or cover your friend

[@PsYcHoSiS11]

@@shangrilaw7561 No.. it's the message YOU are interpreting, the way it was written is to show how American rich white kids get away with fucking horrific acts because they're rich and can pay for people's silence or intimidate them into silence. It's got absolutely fuck all to do with his redemption "arc*******" in S3. S1 + 2 was to make him into the obscene, seemingly unredeemable monster and S3 was to show his human side and how even disgusting people are capable of TRYING to redeem themselves even if it seems impossible (which, for Bryce, it probably was). It's incredibly GOOD writing for the character, you are SUPPOSED to feel bad for him if you have any empathy at all. You is the same scenario, you are SUPPOSED to feel bad for Joe at some points despite the blatant monster that he is. It's called good character writing. A character that is completely all bad or all good is boring as fuck and garners no respect or love. We love flawed characters as humans and every single massive name character that people love have bad traits.

[@sav_smil3891]

I felt like I was watch how to get away with murder

[@lucasvoelker8382]

Sav _Smil3 that’s really what the show is turning into 😂😂

[@coachqip]

And they didn’t do it well either

[@olivebranch7769]

Ugh, please don't disgrace HTGAWM by comparing it to this sludge😥

[@Yas-ei3st]

But a trashy teen version

[@zalsabillafaratria2108]

Honestly the only thing keeping me going through the season is just Clay and Justin's relationship. Besides that, meh.

[@RavenStorm332]

The biggest problem with "13 Reasons Why?" is that it's still on Netflix should have cancelled it a long time ago and kept on the show "One Day at a Time"

[@nctm6090]

Yess finally someone is on the same brain wave as me‼️‼️

[@alicealoi4951]

Amen

[@marissawilson4644]

Preach!

[@kym1439]

True! But they're bringing it back, thankfully!

[@RavenStorm332]

@@kym1439 are they renewing One Day at a Time or is some other streaming network renewing the show

[@JumpinJaxs470748]

I don’t know about anyone else but the reason I kept watching was Tyler’s character arc. (Yeah he helped cover up things as well) Devin Druid did an amazing job, I felt genuinely moved when he spoke about his rape and trauma, that I cried each time. Also Tony, I love Tony. But all the other characters were all very confusing.

[@foreversimgirl828]

Becky Miller I love tony. Tony is honestly the only reason why I watch this show tbh. 😂

[@NerdsterStein]

Then we have steven universe "I WILL REDEEM EVERYONE"

[@morfonila]

tea

[@GVP2012]

I find Jessica more annoying than Ani 😬 hypocrite! And Alex belongs in jail!

[@BrightNeonBrilliancy]

What I don't like about Jessica is basically what he mentions in the video- she is literally defined by her trauma. Her entire life now revolves around being a victim. I know almost nothing about her as a person, her likes and dislikes, her goals after school. All I know about her is that she's a rape victim. Almost everyone in this show is just a walking trauma/ cliche. Sexual assault victims, drug addicts, crippled athletes, almost mass shooters, suicide survivor, teenage pregnancy. It's like the fucked up version of The Breakfast Club.

[@jillianquintana8120]

I thought I was the only one who thought Ani is annoying as hell😂😂

[@milind8541]

Man I can only imagine the hours that went in editing this gorgeous video