The Biggest Problem With Being a New Hazbin Hotel Fan

[@MPSPN]

"If it wasn't for the songs, this show would have not been good." He said, after reviewing a musical

[@AskaKwestan]

HEY! NOT FAIR! I just meant that cutting the songs to save budget for more eps would be a bad thing....

[@Crisjola]

@@AskaKwestan​​⁠it is my understanding that Viv had wanted 15 episodes. Amazon didn’t want to take the risk, gave them 8. Hazbin has _always_ been a musical. Always. What is a shame is the characters they had to change (most notably Alastor and Husker). Where Husker went from being a fully begrudging, borderline mean, “grumpy” drunk, to whom he is now. And Alastor? His change is so jarring from the pilot I call canon “Alastor” Al. He’s lacking the spooky factor. Lacking the ruthlessness and willingness to scare the crap out of someone. Even his “this face was made for radio” line in the series, is _nothing_ compared to his half smothered “dear, if I wanted to hurt anyone here, _I would have done so already_ “ complete with a “behind the scenes of what Alastor _probably_ actually looks like the moment he drops the mask of affable gentleman and lets Charlie and Vaggie peak behind the curtain of who he is beyond the full form of the Radio Demon. Needless to say, it got changed from a horror/musical with comedy, to just a comedy/musical. To cut songs _in a musical_ with no reason other than “pacing” (there are some great takedowns by Musical Theater professionals dissecting the songs themselves and how they don’t serve the story the way songs in musicals should) is _not_ a proper critique and shows a fundamental misunderstand of the medium, what was done wrong, and how it can be fixed. Bad faith, uneducated, under-informed, snd completely not researched, take. And trust me this is not an attack. It’s merely A) a very annoyed writer who understands plot, has watch suits destroy IP (Cyberpunk 2077 anyone?), B) an _extremely_ annoyed historian who is annoyed by people with the same level of not-knowing Viv accidentally did (tech doesn’t evolve in a vacuum, and I have my own gripes with Hazbin surrounding that, but I recognize I am a Historian by training as well as a writer by _official_ training). And C) at least Viv made something, not sitting there like a huge chunk of the lukewarm to Hatedom who haven’t made a creative project in their lives and are only consumers. I’m not angry, just horrifically disappointed with everyone who has crawled out of the woodwork to tell us all how Hazbin sucks because… reasons? It’s one thing if it’s not to your taste. It’s another if points made don’t make any sense.

[@AskaKwestan]

You jump around a little but I'll address the 2nd part of your comment. There was never a main point about cutting songs for pacing, it was a hypothetical and a possible outcome due to the cost of animation. As you've informed me a 12-16 ep season was denied perhaps due to this concern. Of course Hazbin is a musical and needs these songs, but the actual musical segments encompass not even 10% of the show's actual run time. I wanted to convey that the small 10% is what carries the show in many people's (and mine's) eyes disregarding the haughty hoo-hah of the big wigs who parade around saying X and Y. Your problems with characters and story themes seem more subjective. I never found HH to have horror themes personally, and Alastor to me is simply still Alastor. Thanks for the comment!

[@Crisjola]

@@AskaKwestan I haven’t gone back to count the percentage of songs. But like most musicals, it’s more than 10% if I’m being harsh it’s 30%. I’ve seen plenty of musicals and love myself Theater. (Despite not being someone who physically cannot participate in them ((bad knees and back)).) Most musicals, the songs are what carry the plot, and while HH isn’t remotely _The Sound of Music_ it is closer (since it lost its entire half of its run time) to something like _Music Man_ where there is drama and each song exists to further the plot, same with _South Pacific_ . As for the Alastor issue, that is me doing two things: A) I watched the pilot, and in said pilot Alastor is _much_ more horror based. Other characters, including Charlie (in her song “Inside of Every Demon is a Rainbow” where she shifts to her demonic form when not angry and instead for effect). The visuals of the rundown, half abandoned Hotel where its got a spooky vibe, even outside of the Hotel, where Angel’s has all 8 limbs out, Charlie being full demonic, Alastor (if you freeze at the right second he looks more undead-sallow skin, black stitching at the edges of his mouth, threatening tone, and then snapping back to seemingly cheerful and a demon who would do not wrong-while effected by his practice of New Orleans Voodoo which is a lie. (Also why his canon stitching is more prominent so it’s clear he’s got “issues.”) Heck, the horror aspect is hinted at before Alastor shows up with Vaggie and Angel entering the hotel as shadows with their eyes glowing before they become themselves. Not to mention a more horror themed Alastor is fully confident in his ability to con Charlie, and scare anyone who is looking before he tries to offer his first deal (his smile becomes twisted and his vèvès and red magic surround him, on to vanish she when she turns to face him. He also is regarded with distrust (minus Disney Princess in Hell in Charlie) by everyone. As for it being subjective… I understand you’re a Hazbin newbie, and I’m glad you’ve given Amazon the watch minutes so we get season two, but “A Day in the After Life” that follows Alastor very much shows how he is a horror character, and many of the other characters aside from Charlie, are as well, even if more muted than Alastor’s backstory as told by Vaggie (who is untrustworthy, but Husker isn’t .) Iirc the good aspect (disregarding the depressed king of Hell who I’d imagine is partially depressed because “their people are _terrible_ “ and not worthy or wanting to be saved. I spent three years studying writing, plays, fiction, horror, and on my free time studying the world H.P. Lovecraft, which is why I adore Murder Drones. Not to mention there is nothing subjective about Theater Majors/someone wanting to write a musical not doing the research where giving the Radio Demon power to rival Lu’s: because all wireless tech works off of radio, and no one on the team read Future Shock (or its sequel) that says rushing Hell into near modern day. We as humans can barely handle the invention of the iPhone. Imagine going from 1937/1940 to modern day and how hard that would be. Do I have subjective feelings about Al? Yes. Man shouldn’t be eating roadkill where the stag’s meat is starting to turn black. He’d a hunter. No need to stoop to that low. And yet. I have, from a literary view and as who specializes in historical fiction as well as dark fantasy, analyzed the difference between the pilot and canon characters. And not to get all “former physics major before pivoting” _all_ of really is subjective. It only becomes objective once observed. And can fall back into subjected reality the moment more than one is observing it. As a write I can see the flaws in most media. Just most media doesn’t have drastically different written stories between a prolog/pilot and the full story. An issue that one can blame a signal (or duo) author(s) but cannot blame a creator who is under the thumb of a huge corpo and Amazon not willing to take a risk. This isn’t as bad as some shows that only get one season and then get cut (Serenity comes to mind) as well as the suits at CDPR. As a writer, you get the sense that whatever Alastor is up to is a reflection of what he did as a human. Same with quick to violence Vaggie, amongst others (I would love to have a conversation with someone who has never seen the pilot or only saw once a long time ago. Your civility is appreciated, and so apologize for my aggression because even after a good video essay there is a boiling dislike have Hazbin that is hidden. :) this has been refreshing. Cheers!)

[@noobmasterruben5167]

I feel like Viv shouldve cut corners a bit so each eps shouldve been 40 mins long. Or maybe take a look at Fionna & Cake at how to cram many ideas in a limited time

[@System_4045]

10:49 Husk: An alcoholic with a crippling gambling addiction Angel Dust: Was in the mafia Alastor: Serial Killer Nifty: It isn't known what she did when alive but her actions in the show make it pretty obvious why she's in hell Sir Pentious: Still Unknown what he did when alive but before coming to the hotel his actions also spoke to why he was in hell Vox: Uses his shared media empire to manipulate possibly thousands Velvette: Same as Vox but less of the insecurity and less hot-headed Valentino: Hell is *merciful* compared the way he treats Angel and likely his other employees Carmilla Carmine: An arms dealer Rosie: Literally a cannibal

[@AskaKwestan]

Of course, this is the case when looking at the surface of everything but if we do what the show really wants us to do and look at things a little deeper - 95% of the people on this list (i.e the main cast) don't seem like bad people. Again the point is that the character and not the things they have done help reinforce the idea that hell is, in fact, hell. Thanks for the comment!

[@Goofyahhpaleofan]

@@AskaKwestanmaybe the main cast (except Alastor) symbolize the struggles of the working class?

[@zenchantrelle9779]

@@AskaKwestan UHHHHH Vox and Velvette are aware of Val's abuse towards angel dust and they don't care hell Velvette makes love potions to R words

[@AedraRising]

@@AskaKwestan Tbh I think that's the point, that beyond the awful surface level of what the characters have done they really aren't as awful as you would think to deserve being in Hell. You just don't get that amount of depth from the background characters because they're, well, background characters.

[@Crisjola]

To be… I hate saying “fair” but as a human, Alastor was a cannibal to. And as a demon (but one can argue that as long as Alastor isn’t eating other demons like himself, he’s just a demon eater, nothing more.)

[@raelogan]

Alastor strikes me as a guy who says he doesn't care about getting snubbed, but in reality, he's already plotting your downfall because he's miffed. "What? You think I care? I don't care. I don't-I don't even caaaaare." ((Internally: "I CARE IMMENSELY."))

[@AskaKwestan]

Absolutely. There is no universe where Alastor isn't a petty asshole. Thanks for the comment!

[@raelogan]

@@AskaKwestan Ha ha, no problem, lol. 😆 His reaction to Carmilla saying "No, not really." after he started hinting that he couldn't wait to regale about why he was gone for seven years, was just gold. The jaw clenching, the wide eyes, the angry animal noise, just looking offended that he was brushed off like that... He was so ready to start dangling the details in front of them, if I didn't know any better, I'd assume that he's in some sort of contract that could be broken if someone just asks what he's been up to, but no one cares enough to want to listen and that's driving him crazy. 👀

[@Redder_Creeps]

​@@AskaKwestan And that's why I love him. To me he always impersonated "Never let 'em know your next move"

[@hannahmetzger4880]

​@raelogan Yeah, I LOVE that about Alastor. I love how the show, I think, pretty explicitly states that even though Alastor _tries_ to put up a front of, "I don't actually care about anyone else's opinions of me," he _actually DOES_ care!! He's just too prideful, arrogant and stubborn to admit it. 😂. I love how Alastor, despite him outwardly saying so, is really _no_ better than Vox when it comes to his sheer, true levels of _petty assholery._ 😂.

[@raelogan]

@@hannahmetzger4880 Lol. 😆 Alastor: "I'm actually quite civilized. I'm probably the most well behaved one here." Also Alastor: ((Literally takes over Lucifer's song, complains about him pushing back, introduced himself to Luci while wiping his hand like he touched dirt, teased about having a better perceived parental relationship with Charlie, and immediately went for the throat with that "Ha ha ha, f*** you."))

[@mirai5451]

" why you hate Hazbin Hotel ? It's a good show " People on twitter : " BECAUSE HAZBIN KILLED MY GRANDMA OKAY ?!"

[@Owl_lover64]

I regret my father turning that show on for my little sister lol whole room covered in trolls every movie is on 24/7

[@danielmalinen6337]

People always come up with reasons to complain. In Finland, delusional people imagine that Hazbin Hotel is Christian propaganda and its purpose is to convert and convince people to become Christians against their own will, because the theme of the series is to rehabilitated souls so that they can be purified and go to heaven. Of course, I understand that in Finnish discussion culture we have zero tolerance for religious topics because they only cause quarrels, fights and discord, but I would hope that the atmosphere could be that much healthier and freer, so that we could talk about shows, animations, series and films freely, whether they are religious or not. And my own reaction to their complaints so far is "What the hell people, it's just an Adult Swim cartoon. So, can you now calm down because no one has to watch it against their will if they don't want to." But Hazbi Hotel is a good and fun animation for adults (The most perfect and flawless? Nope.) and I recommend anyone to watch it if they want to, but no one is forced to do so.

[@unusuariorandom9115]

@@Owl_lover64 well in my case was a worse ecenario my father always watched together with me the loony tunes and many other rubberhose cartoons in my father mobile phone but in some part of my life i find these episodes of WW2 propaganda in the old youtube and well until today I have caught the mania of watching how the austrian painter army gots brutally humiliated and defeated by the toonforce(yes i enjoyed how popeye defeated the japan army)

[@OctopusOwl]

A flawed show, about flawed people seeking redemption, by flawed people. Feels right.

[@KristinHTF]

THIS. IS. THE REALEST OF THE REAL

[@ArrowVI]

"Did you know angels could be harmed?" "No" >> Literally lost wings and eye, Vaggie what the shit lmfao

[@Ouch193]

I always assumed that Vaggie thought she was fallen. But still, what the shit?

[@pearlthenephilim]

I think she was meaning more of "demons cant hurt angels, but angels can hurt other angels" vibe

[@LadyLeomon]

But only after she defied an order from her superior and spared a demon child, one could make the argument she thought she had fallen upon this act and that was why Lute was able to take her eye and wings

[@AbsinthedeLaRochefoucauld]

For real, I think that line is just the biggest problem. I think I can dance around it by thinking "oh maybe she thought demons specifically couldn't harm angels", but considering she's literally training to.battle angels... It's so dumb how she of all people says no to that.

[@Zenith252]

i feel like she wanted to hide the fact she was an angel when she said that, only thing that really makes sense

[@darkridergames1707]

It’s nice seeing a video about Hazbin that acknowledges the flaws, but still is overall positive. It bothers me that so many people just look at the flaws and immediately write the show off as bad because of them. I love this show and fully admit it’s not perfect. But all of the positive elements just far outweigh any negatives I could have with the show. One other criticism people make that bothers me is when they claim that the songs “add nothing to the story” which is just not true. Every song develops the plot in an effective way that I feel like dialogue just wouldn’t do.

[@cherrybombwaffles518]

this is something I desperately needed to hear. someone finally said that the show is good and didn't just blindly hate on it.

[@AskaKwestan]

I do agree. Lots of videos on YT about this show always seem so shock-value-y about this show and throwing their lot in one side. It's not something that I think is fair. Hopefully with this I managed to get what I both like and dislike about this show across.

[@darkridergames1707]

@@AskaKwestan yeah for sure. It seems like the vast majority of hate this show gets just comes from people who saw that hating the show was popular, so they just jumped on that bandwagon without giving it a real chance. I’ve even seen some hate videos that are so evident that the person making it didn’t even watch the show. They just are echoing things that they read on the internet about it. And it’s so sad to see a good show like this that was obviously a labor of love from the creator that has so much amazing talent behind it just get crapped on relentlessly.

[@endcaps1917]

@darkridergames1707 yeah like it seems it's just gotten popular and trendy to hate on Viv and her stuff I'll admit neither are perfect but jeez calm the frick down

[@darkridergames1707]

@@endcaps1917 yeah for sure. That’s another thing that bothers me about modern media “critique”. People just over analyze everything, and if the media has any kind of flaws, people will just label it as bad without acknowledging the positive things. Like a film or show has to be flawless in order to be considered good. Which is so dumb. Since no show or film is without flaws.

[@jasonjasso666]

Hazbin Hotel is like Undertale to me, in that the characters alone are interesting enough to make me care and look past technical faults. I think people have lost sight on what entertainment is supposed to accomplish. Sure, fully fleshed out stories and or more engaging gameplay is cool, but if the media doesn’t hook you, then what’s the point then?

[@AskaKwestan]

I can definitely see that. We can still enjoy things while acknowledging its faults and not dishearten others by liking something that - at the end of the day - is a very high quality product.

[@No-ny3co]

Hey I like Hazbin Hotel as much as the next degenerate but don't u EVER.....compare HH to our Lord and Savior Undertale, that game is a gold standard of Storytelling and character writing... Am I a glazer for Undertale.....yes....but my point stands, HH and Undertale writing wise are night and day, again not tryna diss HH but that applies to most media

[@HugeRMCFanBoY-bx3od]

@No-ny3co "as much as the next degenerate" 💀

[@A_Random54710]

@@No-ny3coas another undertale glazer I agree Also Hazbin hotel has nice characters but I need them to be fleshed out I need to know more about them and not from fans content I need the cannon stuff 😭 With hazbin hotel they either tell you what the character problems are, they didn’t get as much screen time (cause of the episode limit), or their problems got resolved WAY to quickly I love hazbin but I don’t like the fact that they wrote a 20 episode show for an 8 episode limit

[@wildfire9280]

@@No-ny3co I think it’s almost as conceptually compelling, even if the execution of the concept is evidently not carrying it.

[@Decembirth]

14:30 - Vaggie being harmed by another angel is different from her being harmed by a hell denizen.

[@blacklightning6207]

How exactly is it any different?

[@Decembirth]

One has permadeath weaponry, strength, and numbers the other doesn't (by that point in the story). And as Carmine stated the denizens weren't going to test theories about hurting angels while running for their 'lives'. And once Carmine noted Vaggie's flaws you realize how fearless she was while staying at the hotel.

[@blacklightning6207]

@@Decembirth Except the reason that Vaggie was harmed was because of ANGELIC WEAPONRY, something that doesn't require an angel to wield to be effective. She should 100% know that angelic swords, spears, etc are capable of harming angels, and the fact that the show tries to excuse such a glaring plothole (and in the same breath point out how obvious the answer was and how it's stupid that no one has figured it out yet) just goes to show how the writers really didn't put much care into ironing out the mechanics of the world. BTW, this is all coming from someone who liked the show for what it was, but is able to point out just how incredibly flawed and confusing it is a lot of the time. It's a fine enough musical, which admittedly is what the show was going for, but it falls incredibly short at being a TV show that tells a cohesive narrative with worldbuilding and character actions that makes sense.

[@Coziebee247]

"Velvette gives off so much b*tch energy that it scares me" Couldn't have said it better man- 💀

[@jayliahtaylor9474]

@@HugeRMCFanBoY-bx3od I'm pretty sure Rosie is more powerful than Velvette, especially since shes been there longer

[@Luzisaustralian]

I’d say hazbin hotel isn’t ‘good’ in the movie critic sense. It’s not cinematic or super serious. But it is good at what the WHOLE POINT OF A SHOW IS, which is entertainment. It gets me invested in characters, songs, plot (even if sometimes it can be a little weak or forgotten momentarily). It’s like if my little neurodivergent brain was puked up onto a plate and dyed with red pigment

[@TrademarkLover64]

3:39 I mean it does make sense why they sounded like that bc they were literally written by Parry Gripp; the same guy that wrote songs like "It's Raining Tacos", "Chimpanzee Riding on a Segway", and "Do You Like Waffles".

[@AskaKwestan]

I never knew that! Very interesting. Thank you for commenting!

[@yassvaritaass]

This video genuinely made me sob - I also share your thoughts regarding how hard it is to call yourself a HH fan, and the way the internet may perceive you because of it. I can’t exactly explain why, but Hazbin is such a comfort show for me (it’s probably the songs and cast), and some of the characters have really snuck into my heart. So it is really off putting to see so much hate thrown at people who just want to like the show and talk about. This was so cathartic to hear, and I salute you, sir.

[@ronancer]

I feel like the problem with being a hazbin hotel fan is the harassment hazbin fans tend to get on the internet. I don't see it much on other social medias, but it's CONSTANT on twitter. I genuinely think that if someone dislikes a show that they SHOULD be allowed to dislike it. However they have no right to shit on fans and call them bad people for liking it. Again, I'm just talking about what it's like on twitter. I know that some fans might go and attack those who don't like the show. That is not okay and the majority of the fandom doesn't think that's okay. But just because your experience with the show might not be positive,it does not give you the permission to shame those who enjoy the show. Let people have fun, the show itself is beautiful and silly. If it's not your cup of tea, thats fine! But let's just be respectful towards eachother.

[@AskaKwestan]

It’s something I see a lot. This show’s community gives off lots of “youre with us or youre not” energy and lots of the harsh critique videos on it seem to only add fuel to the fire. Just let people like the dumb fun show I say!

[@incineroar9933]

Centaurworld is another musical cartoon that really deserves more love than it got. That show gets DARK.

[@ieuansmith518]

YES. EVERY WORD SAID. 19:31 - 20:09 You have no idea how long I've been waiting for this kind of video to come out. Great video, my man, and take my subscription. You earned it.

[@AskaKwestan]

Thank you! I’m glad you enjoyed the video.

[@Agentepeluche]

Resume:to much daddy issues

[@hellfoxwolf14]

Yea Charlie has Daddy Issues. Her Daddy has Issues.

[@midnightvision]

I don’t even like musicals, but I’m glad I gave this show a chance. I completely see your point about it being a musical is what makes it good. As a Star Wars prequels fan, a piece of media being imperfect is not gonna stop me from liking it. And yeah, the Hazbin fandom kind of scares me, but again…Star Wars. It’s all about finding that small pocket of chill people. (It helps that I’ve never had a Twitter account.)

[@Chip_Are_Fun]

4:05 HEATHERS MENTIONED🗣🗣🗣🗣⁉️⁉️‼️‼️

[@sawnickringz]

me fr

[@Goobsterwill]

Finally a video that explains exactly how i feel about hazbin as well, Sure it has flaws like the pacing but i still love it. I don’t know why i love it but i do

[@Sappysappster]

"Hazbin Hotel would not be good without its music" sounds like a very Drake Laptop thing to say but honestly? You're right there Even as someone who found the show entertaining and fun in its own way, I still had basic problems with it like: >the pacing (seriously what the concept of time here) >the dialogue (I know it, you know it, we ALL know it lol) >the exposition being clunky (the Charlie "daddy issues" thing made me eyeroll I won't lie) >the obvious story hiccups (The fact that Vaggie, someone who LOST AN EYE AND HER WINGS, did not know that angels could be harmed is genuinely stupid) >the fact it wants to have its cake and eat it to (Instead of working in the timespan they were given they decided to just say "I'M SENDING IT" and crammed seasons worth of characters and lore in the span of 1 episode. That's just stupid) The reason I'm able to suspend my disbelief somewhat is because the show is just plain fun when you turn your brain off and just go with the vibes. And music obviously helps with that; I have replayed Stayed Gone for over 3 days Maybe that's why the show has been doing so well despite its glaring flaws

[@matthewmccoyd2578]

Had us with the thumbnail, not gonna lie.

[@FrankieWilliams-kx9gp]

What’s wrong with the thumbnail?

[@matthewmccoyd2578]

@@FrankieWilliams-kx9gp It looked like a 'this is why hazbin is bad and dumb and if you like it youre bad and dumb' kinda thumbnail

[@FrankieWilliams-kx9gp]

@@matthewmccoyd2578 well it is kinda dumb, but it’s fun, it’s dumb fun. I had read the small words on the thumbnail and figured it was going to be a rant on how awful Twitter is. Instead he gave a good argument for why it’s good and what it’s problems are.

[@pawnhearts8785]

It is odd that liking Hazbin Hotel is controversial to say because most people like it but it.

[@zachs1338]

All I’m asking for this show is that they SLOW DOWN in the next season(s). There are some plot holes that need to be fleshed out and the characters (for as much as I like them) need time to develop better. If they can do that, then I honestly think it would be so much better to watch for most people. With all that being said, this show has absolutely hooked me like no other series has. This is a huge W for both musicals and indie animation.

[@jayliahtaylor9474]

I mean the next season will be more about why Sir Pentious got into hell, and the Vees will be more of an antagonist, so hopefully it is more fleshed out with that

[@chukyuniqul]

I don't find the idea of holes being fleshed, idk about you.

[@jmiod2819]

Im a trans guy and literally had more anxiety telling my friends that i like hazbin hotel then coming out to them as trans in the past 😭😭

[@skyriderp]

Fuck it I don't care what others say

[@MPSPN]

He's just like me fr

[@Sylv_the_Weirdo]

fr

[@kef1308]

Started doing that after seeing the 17267362892th video saying the writing sucks

[@HugeRMCFanBoY-bx3od]

Most videos hating on Hazbin Hotel are just bad imo they make like 1 point that everyone would agree with then no points that couldnt be explained by watching the show lol

[@heavy_elite]

YES... I am not the only one ANYLONGER who laughed at Pentious' death. I SCREAMED of laughter!!! XD Kagerou was quite good - Loved it, but it somehow didn't make me remember it.

[@Sylv_the_Weirdo]

I love the show and have since to pilot, and I KNOW it has flaws, I KNOW the creator might be problematic, I KNOW. but why cant i enjoy a show? not everyone has to agree. not everything has to be top of the self #1 shiny metal. it can just... make you happy. idk, my thoughts, nice vid.

[@floggIog]

Don't try to hide your undertale lyric videos, embrace it because they are awesome and I need more (do what you wanna do but I'm just saying you got talent) also honestly good video, I haven't watched hazbin hotel and don't plan on it but all your points and opinions make sense and are respectable.

[@Blitzo_YouTube]

I agree with you 👍

[@Huppa3333]

I find Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss are much more enjoyable shows when you don't have Twitter bitching into your ear about every tiny flaw in them, or what nothing burger 2014 drama Vivziepop was involved in, or even whatever vague allegation of how terrible a person she supposedly is.

[@pteroid11]

Leaving that place when it was announced Elon wanted to buy it was the best decision I ever made

[@CyberCervine]

Hazbin Hotel is not great, but OH MY GOD does it beat what Disney is pumping out. AND THAT IS A MULTIMILLION DOLLAR COMPANY. This indie project is managing to be better than a literal animation powerhouse. I will be honest as much as Hazbin has it's flaws, I prefer it over most BS that these big animation studios are putting out these days. Shit they are doing songs better than Disney where their newest movie Wish sounds like it was AI generated meanwhile Hazbin is pumping out musical threatre masterpieces (imo) like DAMN OKAY. That and my comedy is immature af so helluva boss and hazbin hotel is right up there for my dumb ass lol

[@maddikitten1306]

Amazing video! I love when people say their opinions without worrying about the fanbase! Sticking it to the man of sorts, the man being the fandom. My theory as to why Vaggie says no about angels being harm is that she's supressed the memory up until she saw Charlie's face. And with Charlie, she was so much happier that why would she try to remember? She remembers she's fallen and an angel, but being mutilated by Lute was psychologically blocked like trauma can be based on how much affect it had on her.

[@wildfire9280]

0:19 WHY IS IT INESCAPABLE

[@PlanetZoidstar]

Hazbin Hotel reminds me of Cats. There's very little actual plot and the story is an excuse to have musical numbers that condense the characters into their 1 defining trait. You even have one of the main characters go to heaven in a hot air balloon (Grizabella/Sir Penitous). And a devious magic user trying to game the system to gain their freedom (McCavity/Alastor).

[@daniellejackson6543]

This is one of the strangest connections I've seen.

[@PlanetZoidstar]

@@daniellejackson6543 Hazbin Hotel is structured like a Broadway musical with a massive Furry following. Cats is one of the most famous Broadway musicals of all time and has a massive Furry following. Husk is an anthropomorphic Cat Sinner. Charlie is trying to get Sinners into Heaven. Cats is a Heaven/Afterlife metaphor. It's not that strange.

[@daniellejackson6543]

@@PlanetZoidstar Please don't tell me there will be a cgi Taylor swift Charlie Morningstar.

[@flasche.]

12:39 “And I’m here to tell you all: *insert Nivea ad”*

[@EnbyFrog42]

I absolutely feel this. Whenever a negative opinion arises online, there will be HUNDREDS of comments and replies that criticize the entire fanbase. I've seen people say the fanbase is worse than the show, the fans are all SA supporters, the fans are anti-Christian, all sort of kind-of-deranged comments that are VERY MUCH taking things too far. And this is all stuff I've seen on KZbin alone (I don't even want to say I like Hazbin on Twitter). This really frustrates me because it feels like most of the people who don't like it are more disrespectful to people who do than the other way around. Obviously, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but half the reason people don't like Hazbin Hotel is because it's like brainwashing people into thinking Christianity (a belief, like any other, that is not based on fact) is wrong or something random like that.

[@tattoocutiegal7629]

I'm sorry, how are the fans SA supporters?

[@EnbyFrog42]

@@tattoocutiegal7629 I don't think that at all, I've just seen other people say it, because 'if you like Hazbin you like the songs and if you like the songs you like Poison and if you like Poison you support SA cause you're condoning something about SA'

[@FrankieWilliams-kx9gp]

The fan base is kind of bad. I’m a contrarian so I always try to say things people won’t like, and these hazbin hotel fans are hilarious to mess with. They are like arguing with a die hard christian, if you contradict their beliefs on morals / who’s right or wrong they don’t even try to give you a valid argument they just shut down and tell you you are objectively wrong and they are right, no compromise. It’s so ironic I love it.

[@HugeRMCFanBoY-bx3od]

Im Christian and i can watch the show no problem

[@EnbyFrog42]

@@FrankieWilliams-kx9gp Apologies I didn't really reply to this. I just felt like you're trying to start an argument over nothing with the whole contrarian statement. I think that it's a little frustrating that just because I say I like something, people start generalizing it and assuming that I'm a naive a-hole who invalidates people if they don't like it. Which I don't do :/ It also clearly sounds like all you want to do is troll people so eh

[@ashumon23]

Crazy that you can't just like things anymore. Everything's gotta have some righteous reasoning behind it. I'll gladly tell people I'm a Hazbin Hotel or Helluva Boss fan. Just as much as I can say that I love dumb shows like Ghost Adventures, or that 1986's animated Tranformers: The Movie is one of the greatest movies of all time (because it is)!

[@KristinHTF]

This is honestly all so real. I appreciate Hazbin for what it is, despite its flaws, and I love the characters a lot!!! But the fandom is...eh. But some people just don't like fun 😅

[@timmywoo3572]

Oh yea and don’t forget the 50,000 dollar uhhh verbalase…thing

[@ThePorcelainMoth]

This perfectly captured most of the thoughts I have about the series as well, and I’m glad reviews like this are being put out 😔✨

[@JaklynBurrito]

he has the STYLE! the CULTURE! SUBBING NOWWWWW!

[@sofiamorgan3756]

You’re not alone in this my friend. I too like musicals and with 16 songs, I can honestly say I like 13 of them. Excluding, it starts with sorry, whatever it takes, and welcome to heaven. I also agree that it does feel rushed, but I can understand why since it’s only 8 episodes, animation takes time, and that it’s a musical

[@bird_obsession]

I get It Starts With Sorry and Welcome To Heaven, but I've never understood why people dislike Whatever It Takes so much. I think it's a perfectly fine and super catchy song.

[@jayliahtaylor9474]

@@bird_obsession Most people dislike it because Vaggies singing is ''too high pitched'' and because it happened too early in the series

[@bird_obsession]

@@jayliahtaylor9474 I really like Vaggie’s voice 🤷‍♂️

[@jayliahtaylor9474]

@@bird_obsession Yea, I dont really see why people dislike her singing voice

[@chaltrav2112]

0:57 you better take that or else i'm gonna do Nothing, honestly i can't do anything i just like your content

[@Raven_The_Unkind]

The thing about the whole thing with angel's vulnerability makes perfect sense

[@limitless6473]

The consequences of having a shit schedule. cant relate any better lmao. Love the video btw! ❤

[@Wishiwashi_64]

Good to know that I’m not the only new fan who joined the fandom due to Vox and Alastor’s duet.

[@tenshi.kurama]

If you have any criticism, even constructive then you are not a fan is what I hear most often.

[@mewgrim]

this is a very good channel how isnt it more popular bro

[@TheRedAuditor]

Im a quickly give Trauma to any full Hazbin Hotel fans here... Emily's true angel form in Episode 6🌝

[@koray1621]

Great vid, hollow purple shit fits so well

[@mostlyimpulsive3462]

Holy shit, kagepro mention in 2024? WILD

[@mrcuivre1969]

Man I can finally say that, as a fan, this fit me perfecty, so thanks you very much. btw great video I love it

[@Boston-cream-donuts]

Heathers being mentioned makes me happy!

[@yunuss58]

Best solution. Don't engage in fandoms for any piece of medium you consume. Talk about it with a select few friends you know you can have a good discussion. Fuck social media online discourse

[@Stratoblast]

The only reason why I clicked on this video was because your art style is good. Could you make a video or speedpaint on how you drew Charlie?

[@AskaKwestan]

Thank you for the compliment! I don’t really plan on speedpaint stuff but it means alot that you like the thumbnail I made. Charlie’s design is very satisfying to me.

[@Stratoblast]

@@AskaKwestan Do you have Instagram or something like that? I would like to talk about your interest in Hazbin Hotel

[@Stratoblast]

@@AskaKwestan Do you have Instagram or something like that? I want to hear more about your opinion on Hazbin Hotel

[@Stratoblast]

@@AskaKwestan do you have other social media? I want to talk to you more. You sound like a great guy.

[@edoardopalmer2379]

Its dynamic, colorful, bombastic, it’s chaotic. It’s essentially Disney in hell, they understood fundamentally what makes old Disney great and created something based on it without begin parodistic or derivative. I LOVE the fact the plot moves super fast, it’s complementary and in synergy with everything else, i wouldn't love it as much as i do otherwise

[@Starlight_fr]

13:17 OH YOU DID NOT SAY THAT ABOUT THE BEST KID'S CARTOON EVER CREATED-

[@hydrantes]

If you love musical storytelling, you would love the Evillious Chronicles series.

[@AngryNicoleWatterson]

You know, I think one thing that might have helped is to have an unusual run time and add like 5 or 10 minutes to each episode. It might still have a little bit of rushing problems, but I feel like that extra time would be a good compromise to animation quality and story building

[@CynInfectedTriTitanOfficial]

Entertainment is key for all good shows.

[@TheSelfInsert]

0:56 No, no, no, don't think you can just sweep that under the rug... (it's ok, I'm a loser too, we can listen to Undertale the musical together. The good one, i mean)

[@Chabit6427]

Me to, (promised and one left are my favourite btw)

[@TheSelfInsert]

@@Chabit6427 it's one left and the slaughter continues for me, at least out of the ones he's covered. (Though one left is also just my favorite in general)

[@MarBizzare00]

THATS THE SAME WAY I DISCOVERED IT

[@Micespaceart]

6:43 Huh, I love Muscical performers!!

[@mandyiaa]

This is me with that stupid Velma reboot, it’s a pretty bed show but I can’t help but find it rlly entertaining😭

[@Cloverfromyellow]

I Fr thought this guy was gonna end up making music when his channel first started

[@SansINess53]

I exist and I love adam.

[@all_the_stars_in_the_skies]

13:30 I feel like you'd like MILGRAM, man. Prisoners who have commited a controversial murder, telling their stories through music videos. The audience watches and judges if they are redeemable/forgivable or not, and their treatment changes accordingly within the prison. Currently, two "trials" (waves of music videos and voting) have finished and the third and final trial is on its way. It's here on KZbin. Ofc, TW for a lot of dark topics like murder, abuse, and more

[@Lightmagician60]

if you have not yet. at least check out some of the songs from Hell'va boss (specially if you like Alex Brightmen)... you are right it's more of a Drama. however towards the end of Season 1. the support from Hazbin began to bleed into Hell'va Boss. the songs in choice "House of Asmodeus" "Cotton Candy" "2 Minutes Notice" "Look my Way"

[@Kingdramana]

You are right. Hazbin Hotel is great for it's songs, because it's at the end of the day a musical. And songs can expose plot points and character dynamics in ways story telling cannot. Anyone that understands song and music are quick to praise those parts, just like you are praising the animation. Both together make for quite the impression. And I believe the show was pretty good! The best I have seen as a fact. Focusing on the problems is ignoring the vast boring and lame landscape on which it rises. There are just so many productions with no soul on the west and then there is this huge monstrosity of a show. And I freaking loved it.

[@draipon3499]

How the actual F do you only have 7k subs? Loving your content gonna stay here, undertale yellow sold me tbh :D

[@AskaKwestan]

Thank you! Means a lot for you to stay. I’ll hope to see you in the next video!

[@MetisRose95]

I love the show but I can also acknowledge that 50% of the reason I like it is the songs (I only watched it in the first place because I found out it was a musical) and 50% because of Alastor. Those two things in my opinion are more than worth its flaws. However if either of those things weren't in it I would not be at all interested.

[@noobmasterruben5167]

I can agree. Alastor sold me in the pilot and I wanted to see more of him in the show

[@Masky_Review_CB_OFFICIAL]

the reason i found it is Verbalase

[@crowdaddy5179]

Listen I love Velvette short queen bad bitch energy and she deadass was ready to throw hands with heaven and every overlord in that room Her and Valentino are my favorite characters hands down.

[@ilovecats52fandom]

VALENTINO????

[@Regular_Decorated_Emergency]

^ I'm so confused …

[@kyratries]

So many good points. I’ve been making analysis vids for this show mostly bc I am a theater person and…it’s fun and I have a good time watching it and media analysis is my thing, but the LINE between the haters and the staunch defenders…people actually blame the critics for not watching the pilot and therefore rating the show lower like…dude I like this show but it deserves the rating the critics gave. And it would be a disaster without the songs. The songs manage to progress the plot and character development at 10 times the speed (wow let’s wrap up Angel’s main storyline with one super banger of a number and I’m not complaining bc that would take so much frickin dialogue to cover what Keith Davids gave us in one song) because that’s just how musicals WORK. Just…oh god it would be so bad without the songs. But yeah how dare you like it because…problematic or whatever?? Christ just let me enjoy a fun thing that I can admire for staying true to their original vision and actually experimenting with adult animation on a big streaming platform with the Broadway style and the animation and the themes they tried to cover. Also it’s like the animation of my childhood got beefed up with amazing singers and learned how to swear so nostalgia factor. Sorry this is frickin long I just appreciate you saying your thoughts out loud. Guess I’m ‘cringe’ though or whatever. Ugh shutting up I’m sorry.

[@adamk-paxlogan7330]

This is show is amazing

[@Rainbonana]

WOOOOO, CYBERBULLYING NEVER DIES.

[@kingemerald4622]

Hell has nine rings HB takes place in one of the rings

[@jaywinged]

this truly haz bin a hotel

[@CookieCrumble._.]

Can you please please PLEASE watch Fiona And Cake? And maybe Heathers?👀 (Musical bc those songs are bangers😩)

[@TheUsagiiTsukino]

8:13 PREACH!!!

[@Emotixon]

My friends made fun of me for liking Hazbin Hotel, I don’t know why they don’t like it.. it’s a really good show if you get into it.. :(

[@АндрійДивак-я7ц]

As always a great video!

[@AskaKwestan]

Thank you again!

[@Average_Banana1]

Love your videos keep it up

[@giulf3der957]

I generally dislike musicals because they usually stop the story and sing for minutes straight the same one sentence that might be lore but it's the same one thing for 3 minutes of them standing in one place, sometimes I can't even understand what they're saying, because it's that Opera genre where they all sing in one "scream" (also I generally don't care about music, I just hear it, don't even search it unless I like the rythm) But in Hazbin it's actually really fun to watch and follow the songs because they lore dump you every sentence they say, the story progresses and they do stuff while they're singing ex: Happy Day In Hell is basically Charlie going from the Hotel to the Heaven embassy while she shows us the daily life of the sinners and hell itself and she tells us about her dream of changing the status quo with her hotel redeption plan, how sinners find her annoying and don't respect her higher rank because she's just "Lucifer's delusional daughter" and no one cares about her or believes on what she's trying to do. Let's not talk about You Didn't Know, because during that 3 minute song an immense amount of stuff happens and is revealed 😂

[@LucianS11]

This describes what I feel abt this show.

[@eow4317]

I feel like reading homestuck out of spite

[@Emmuwz]

You are funny. I like you. And the amount of Gojo is perfect XD

[@Notllamalord]

Too many characters, the cast feels like the league of legends roster. I know vivzie loves designing characters but some of them needed to be left on the cutting room floor. The show is just so cluttered that some of them miss important development and character beats. Also, huge plot holes. How did angel weapons being the only thing that can harm angels stay undiscovered for 10,000 years? In all those purges no one ever found this out? How is anyone supposed to believe that

[@HYPERxSONICxFANx2012]

carmilla did say angelic steel isn't common

[@destrauk7099]

Both hazbin and helluva are great Imo. And hazbin would still be good without the songs... But boy do I agree that they sure as hell shouldn't remove the songs for more episodes. These songs are S-tier and just as good if not better than peek disney (late 90s - early 00s) So, even if I'd still like the show without the music. Thank fucking vivzie that this is the musical that it is!

[@HugeRMCFanBoY-bx3od]

Honestly the only peak Disney songs taught can maybe beat out the top 3 for hazbin are be prepared and a whole new world

[@Lyndthevocaloidnerd-ip6ef]

Kagepro mentioned in 2024!!!!

[@AZ-ty7ub]

Just about everything you listed about why you enjoy HH is why I dislike it lol for example, while I acknowledge the music is very well done, I remember watching it and thinking "eh this is too Lin-Manuel for me", so to hear you say you like it for being similar to Hamilton is funny. We all have different tastes! I didn't care for it but I'm glad you did.

[@AskaKwestan]

That’s very fair! I understand clearly that it’s not for everyone and that this show speaks to a verrrry specific niche of people I happen to fall into.

[@HugeRMCFanBoY-bx3od]

If you don't like the music then you would definitely hate hazbin

[@TaylorUmpherville]

cool,btw angel dusts hair looks nearly the same as Goku's hair

[@Sandyoo6026]

Calling Charlie’s song from the pilot BAD is evil bro

[@AskaKwestan]

I did realise in editing that it sounded like something I didn't mean. I meant it with regard to how it sounds just like a 2010s viral YT song. It's not actually a bad song by any means.

[@HugeRMCFanBoY-bx3od]

I honestly don't like it that much she sounds like a squeaky toy

[@Sandyoo6026]

@@HugeRMCFanBoY-bx3od lmao idk why her voice is so unnaturally high

[@Regular_Decorated_Emergency]

The reason I think they made the pacing so fast is because they knew that they wouldn't be releasing another season for a long time and wanted to pick up fame as fast as possible.

[@rosebobayay]

Most people just switched to helluva boss because of the amount of time it took to release hazbin but in my opinion hazbin is SO MUCH BETTER 😔 This is my opinion, and I am hoping not to see any negative uh- replies.

[@Regular_Decorated_Emergency]

It's true. Hazbin may be way more rushed but it's more funny, entertaining, consistently strong, and uh, it doesn't oversexualize all women and gay male couples in a 100 foot radius. I found Helluva very boring the first three episodes but then it picked up quick. There were times I laughed but yeah, Hazbin wins.

[@rosebobayay]

@@Regular_Decorated_Emergency 👍🏻

[@HugeRMCFanBoY-bx3od]

Honestly season 2 was boring season 1 was an actual comedy season 2 is a unfunny drama with like 3 good songs

[@camilaoates3866]

I love this show

[@moonshelter3448]

Omg you're so welcome to my world dude:) Actually I've experienced pretty same things you have but you know what it surely takes time but you'll get over it. Of course if you feel mature enough to handle all the emotionally unstable teenagers and childish-acting young adults. Well I'm a bit older than Viv so it was pretty easy to me. I love constructive criticism and you nailed it bro. Every HB episode was a perfect example of a bad baaaaad writing. The plot is unstable it's almoust chaotic. But enough of HB. HH has all the same problems. Even songs don't help its bad writing. VAs are so supreme. And some plot lines have so much potential but everything was made in such a rush... As for Vivienne - we can't change her so just let go the whole situation around her. Don't give a sht about these everlasting dramas lol You don't have to like all of the characters. I don't like a lot of them. But there're things and characters I love. And story lines I enjoy. That's when this toxic fandom comes to help. It creates headcanons I like more than original ones. Even though I absolutely respect the canon. Just stick to those sharing your preferences and enjoy. Turn the darkness into light. It's always up to you what you wanna see dude. Like your video. God job.❤

[@NorbiPlays1]

underated tbh like the comedy and editing! NEW SUB ALERT!!!!!!!!!!

[@AskaKwestan]

Thank you for sticking around!

[@NorbiPlays1]

@@AskaKwestan yw

[@cordyceps7531]

Eh I prefer Charlie’s head in the pilot

[@kyanplayzroblox204]

Honestly, the songs didn’t hit for me, also the excessive amount of cursing just felt like an elementary schooler’s version of an adult show with Disney like songs. It’s art was good, but I liked the youtube pilot