The Bizarre Origins of Teen Wolf

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What's up alphas, welcome back to Wolf Girl Summer. Now that we've dipped our toes (to put it lightly) in MTV's Teen Wolf series, it's time to wade through the waters of time to explore the film series that started it all: The Michael J. Fox-starring Teen Wolf (1985) and Jason Bateman-starring Teen Wolf Too (1987). And maybe even a little surprise. No, the surprise is not my five minute rant about the WGA and SAG-AFTRA strikes. But that's still a fun little extra treat!
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0:00 - Intro
1:42 - Teen Wolf (1985)
21:22 - Squarespace
23:05 - A word about the Hollywood strikes
28:02 - Teen Wolf Too
39:35 - SUPRISE!
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[@selectedshipper8282]

Stiles’s evolution from ambiguously gay homophobe to ambiguously gay queerbaiter really does make the heart go awooooo

[@jane-mulcahy]

character development!

[@MissAlmostFine]

😭😭😭

[@selectedshipper8282]

I’d argue that the same animation playing every time Scott transforms in the animated series is actually just Scott’s magical girl transformation

[@EmeraldCityVideo]

I love this

[@nathanwaters8586]

Yes! It’s giving sailor moon! Could you imagine if in that show they played the transformation in reverse when the sailors go back to normal?🤣

[@Scarybug]

100%

[@lpchambers3681]

Something about the dad actor coming back for all of the media is so sweet to me, I hope he had a fun time and is doing well now…

[@Chuck_EL]

Sadly he passed away from the same illness Michael J Fox has

[@dushdush9]

@@Chuck_ELDUDE you seriously scared me, I thought for a sec that michael j fox died

[@kingsbury96]

if you ever decide to sell merch, “i’m like if tom cruise was normal” is a strong contender for what should be on it

[@jane-mulcahy]

lolol I'd be too worried that he'd send his people after me

[@gregmark1688]

As critics noted at the time, making Scott popular after he transforms turns the movie into a weird take on Dr Jekyll & Mr Hyde.

[@jane-mulcahy]

I can definitely see that!

[@isabelsoares4942]

OMG so frustrating to be reminded that, in this version, Scott's dad is also a werewolf! I agreed with everything you said about Mr McCall on the series adaptation, the fact that his character is poorly written and his whole big reason for leaving was "I drunkenly dropped you down the stairs" WHEN THEY COULD HAVE MADE IT "I was a werewolf and I left because it was too dangerous to be around you and your mom but now that I know you're a werewolf let's bond and heal and maybe have major disagreements and so much material to work on for this declining show". It was right there in the source material... But they went with drunk baby fall. Ok

[@whatalsaid]

a remake of this movie set in the 2020s would actually be a VERY fun idea. Like, rather than just becoming a locally famous werewolf, Stiles puts Scott playing basketball as a werewolf on TikTok and it goes viral, and he becomes an internet celebrity. I mean, Stiles already has vlogger/influencer vibes, so it wouldn't be a reach.

[@sacharyy]

When you first posited the theory "MTV teen wolf is more inspired by the cartoon than the original movie" I thought, "Well, it's worthwhile to draw the comparisons but I think they're just coincidence due to making the wolf plots/world building more generic" but I genuinely believe that they had to draw inspiration from the cartoon now. I need to know what was happening behind the scenes that made that happen.

[@emmythorn]

No to be honest after watching the summaries of them all I'm like huh... Yeah the MTV show seems more based off the cartron

[@alexacutioner610]

My friends never forgave me for showing them the source material. My heart was broken. 🐺

[@averyalyse]

The original movie is an absolute banger I'd be thanking you.

[@walnutsrcool]

Okay but I NEED you to watch Teen Witch now. Literally made to be the girl version of Teen Wolf so a bad rushed knock off of a bad rushed teen movie. My favorite bad movie and so much fun behind the scene trivia. Obviously after the strike

[@nopelahoma]

Teen Witch is so iconic

[@MissAlmostFine]

​@@nopelahomaExtremely iconic. That's one of my faves!!!!

[@sparklesparklebee]

40:56 lmao it's me, I was that 13-year-old who was so deep into the teen wolf wormhole that I watched every single piece of teen wolf media... including the animated series

[@jane-mulcahy]

color me impressed! especially that you would take on this harrowing challenge at such a young age

[@viva-aviva]

kindred spirits🤞

[@godzillasaurbuttersworth3176]

Speaking as someone who studies horror and exploration film at a post-grad level, it really annoys me when people try to use the “it’s just dumb camp, you shouldn’t criticize/look for deeper meaning in it” argument

[@negibananamjf]

i have never seen even one episode of teen wolf the show, but i love this silly movie so much. like, kinda obsessed. i've actually been listening to every retrospective and breakdown of the series that i came across, just in the hopes that anyone would talk more in depth about the movie!!! this is very exciting🙏❤️

[@jane-mulcahy]

it's really crazy to me that the show has gotten so big but that it hasn't really led to a broader rediscovery of the movies! I had to do my part 🫡

[@trinaq]

I grew up with Michael J. Fox as THE Teen Wolf, and to an extent, Jason Bateman as well. Fox has a convincing baby face, and he was 23 when he played Marty McFly the same year.

[@Chuck_EL]

He still has the record for having the number one and number two movies at the box office and number one tv show in the same week

[@ghostesspresso]

cant wait for "everything else is cream cheese" to work its way into my vocabulary now

[@nathanforester5993]

It wouldn't be complete without mentioning Teen Wolf's canadian cousin Big Wolf on Campus.

[@jane-mulcahy]

oh trust me, it was part of my journey!

[@kowbonez]

"I think it's really silly to act like we can't think deeply about unserious media." If this were true, my entire youtube would be a ghost town. Also, the people who put the effort in to make this media definitely take their work seriously even if they know they're making an unserious thing

[@wtfaiwpodcast]

As far as what happened to Scott's mom, there's a line where the teen bully specifically says that he killed her with a shotgun, and I took this 100% literally when I was a kid, but I guess you could also interpret it as his way of equating Scott to a stray dog or a coyote. Like, "I killed a dog that was stealing chickens. I bet it was your mom!" Then again, his mom IS dead, so I don't know. Also, I saw all three of these on TV when I was a kid, but I think I only watched one or two episodes of the cartoon, for obvious reasons.

[@jane-mulcahy]

Yeah I did notice that line but I guess I assumed it was just teasing- it would be so wild if Mick just casually admitted to murdering Scott's mom and Scott didn't even do anything about it

[@wtfaiwpodcast]

@@jane-mulcahy Most of the bullies in '80s movies were murderers and attempted murderers, though, so it didn't really seem unlikely at the time.

[@SchulzEricT]

@@jane-mulcahy In this movie, it's 100% possible that Mick actually killed Scott's mom.

[@Chuck_EL]

​​​​@@jane-mulcahy That's why Scott always hated Mick and I believe that was his only reason he wanted to get with Pamela to troll Mick and take him off of her, I believe he suppressed seeing him mom killed as a werewolf, and that explains his reaction that his dad knew about it (the werewolf line) and why he gets that upset at Mick slightly admitting to killing Scott's mom Then once he beats up Mick and Scott's dad has a talk to him about revenge (in the deleted scene) he realizes it's a bad omen Once he got his "Arthur taking the sword from the Stone" moment by "slaying the dragon(Mick)" and winning the game without his werewolf powers, he "beat" Mick by embarrassing him and his team he no longer wanted her , walked away when she tried to get with him and went and grabbed Boof and kissed her As a "Teen wolf" diehard (Michael J Fox is my favorite actor tied with Tom Hanks) I thought I was the only one who had that theory..glad it's just not me 😂

[@oliviabees]

I think it's awesome that you are going to refrain from covering material involved in the strike! I look forward to the next installment in this series, but staying on the picket line is more important. Whatever you cover in the meantime, I know it'll be great!

[@smittywerbenjagermanjensen99]

i loved watching the teen wolf movies with my dad (hes shown me a lot of funny obscure 80s movies) we called scott's dad poof cause his poofy werewolf face is just so funny lmao

[@jane-mulcahy]

Boof and Poof 😭

[@smittywerbenjagermanjensen99]

also you are completely right about the 50s/60s nostalgia vibe in a loooot of 80s media, its just like how today we see a lot of 90s/80s nostalgia :)

[@willonastring]

not another homophobic slur, noooooo, this franchise has enough!

[@bookshelfhoney]

​@@willonastringis that a British thing or something?

[@willonastring]

@@bookshelfhoney yeah. it didn't occur to me that americans might not know that one.

[@valentinecore]

jane is going to become the true alpha of teen wolf content

[@borntogazeintonightskies]

SHE'S ALWAYS BEEN THE ALPHA!!!!!

[@mahrinui18]

Remarkable that Teen Wolf 2 didn't stop halfway through for Todd Howard to ask the audience for more money

[@hysangearring]

Jeph Loeb wrote the screenplay of the original movie. Some people probably don’t know that name, but he wrote a bunch of 80s action movies, and was in charge of the Marvel tv shows, including Agents of SHIELD (and was also a producer for SMALLVILLE).

[@jeanemlicar]

He also wrote some Green Lantern stories as well.

[@sarijudis13]

Have you seen Ginger Snaps? A must watch in the werewolf genre.

[@valenfr01]

I'm not too fond of the teen wolf franchise but i do have a borderline unhealthy obsession with jason bateman and have seen 76% of all of his work -that number is real and it may not seem like a lot but he has been working since he was 11 years old and he's a nepo baby so it's a LOT-, so i was very excited to see you cover teen wolf too: electric boogaloo.

[@jane-mulcahy]

I am obsessed with you. when and why did you calculate the percentage

[@valenfr01]

​@@jane-mulcahysomeone needed to explore every single corner of his body of work i guess, and i had a lot of free time in quarantine that i obviously spent in the best way i could imagine at the time. ps. i love your videos!

[@DeadpoolNegative]

@@valenfr01 Hey, it's always worth discovering It's Your Move.

[@FlashStudios1934]

One of the worst parts for the first teen wolf is how wet the movie is, during the basketball scenes everyone is absolutely soaking wet with sweat and it’s really gross to look at

[@kayleeelizabeth3747]

so happy to see you uploaded! and it’s awesome that you’re showing your support for the strike. i would love to see another book review or even wattpad review (if you’re willing to put yourself through something like that again lol)

[@jane-mulcahy]

yeah tbh as soul crushing as they can be, I do love bad books!

[@sterlinga8307]

Imagine seeing how poorly written modern film/tv is and thinking they deserve to be paid more, there is a reason they are scared of being replaced by AI...

[@alicethemad1613]

@sterlinga8307 this is like seeing how bad and poorly animated a lot of modern seasonal anime is and thinking the animators should actually be paid less and treated WORSE, instead of acknowledging that the reason shit sucks so much is these very same unethical working conditions and low wages. Paying people less isn’t going to make them write better, it’s just going to mean they can’t afford rent. Also, this entire idea is stupid from the get-go. Like what is “modern tv” to you? And what does it mean that it’s badly written? You know “modern tv” includes shows like Succession, Infinity Train, Bojack Horseman, What We Do In The Shadows, The Last of Us, Ted Lasso, etc.

[@ajcrawford114]

Per your rec my husband and I watched night of the comet and it was so good!! They figured out the only possible improvement on They Live, making the protagonist two teenage girls with guns

[@demitwice]

ok so this might be random but today i was coming back from a road trip with my family and my dad asked me and my sisters to play songs in the car that were from his "times" aka the 80's and 90's, but they needed to be from our country (brazil). one of the most popular bands of the 80's in brazil was called legião urbana and they had a song called "eu era um lobisomem juvenil", which means "i was a teenage werewolf"; it's like 7 minutes long and has nothing to do with actual werewolves, but my sister loves it. i mentioned i was pretty sure the title was a reference to the movie that originated teen wolf. and now i just arrived home, opened youtube and saw you posted this video!!!!!!1!!1!!! it's a sign!!!!!!!

[@jane-mulcahy]

lol I should listen to that song! there actually was a separate movie called I Was a Teenage Werewolf from all the way back in 1957, so I'd guess the song is referencing that- it's become kind of famous over time not for the content of the movie itself but just for having such an outlandish title. but it definitely did originate the teenage werewolf concept, which probably did directly influence Teen Wolf!

[@WendlaBergmann]

babe wake up, wolf girl summer continues

[@AkiDave]

The love the random werewolf png transitions 😂 Great video!

[@talistheintrovert]

i had both of these movies on dvd and watched them constantly as a child and they're genuinely the main reason i even watched the series, and it's crazy to look back on them as an adult through this lens

[@madelynfigueras]

I haven’t seen any of the teen wolf media associated but love the detail you put into your videos. Also choice of buff wolf visual aid during the SAG brief aside made me laugh out loud at work

[@mmarceline3]

scott’s dad was really into this franchise. what an icon

[@alicethemad1613]

I’m uncomfortable with how weirdly hot they made cartoon teen wolf. Like… they had a muscular wolf boy doing pull-ups and lovingly animated his pecs flexing. What does it say about me that I noticed this…

[@leslienope]

Cartoon Teen Wolf team creating Stiles' design: Can we copy your homework? Alvin and the Chipmunks team handing them Dave: Sure, just change it a little.

[@jane-mulcahy]

ha I just looked it up, I'd say Dave is like Teen Wolf cartoon Stiles + Prince Eric from Little Mermaid

[@leslienope]

@@jane-mulcahy 💯

[@ernie39]

"I learned to plug it in!" has me rolling

[@namaeo]

this was absolutely worth staying up until 3 am. im impressed at how much teen wolf knowledge i gained by watching these videos

[@bookshelfhoney]

Awooooo! Or as they say on teen wolf, arrrrrrghhhhhh! 🐺

[@sakusaurusrex4272]

I knew of the animated series but didn't watch it until like 2021. My dad is a huge Teen Wolf fan so passed the interest to my brother and me. This was awesome!

[@MAMoreno]

I just checked the Teen Wolf screenplay from October 1984 (which is available online on Script Slug), and I found this character introduction: *RUPERT "STILES" STILINSKY, a frenetic whirlwind of hustle with a too-soon moustache and a T-shirt proclaiming "LIFE SUCKS, THEN YOU DIE".* So the cartoon didn't invent the last name. It just bothered to use it. (A side note: In retrospect, it's no surprise that Scott's dad sounds like Uncle Ben. The co-writer of the movie is Jeph Loeb, who is a well-known comic book writer in addition to all of his Hollywood work. Back in 2002, he wrote Spider-Man: Blue, bringing it all back around.)

[@jane-mulcahy]

😭 goddamn it, I was so sure I had made a groundbreaking discovery

[@MAMoreno]

@@jane-mulcahy Loeb and his cowriter are credited with writing the 2011 TV show pilot, too. So maybe they finally got fed up with the Stiles surname being confined to the cartoon. (How involved they actually were is unclear. Loeb has said that they didn't really write Teen Wolf Too despite their onscreen credit. They simply gave feedback to the guy who actually wrote it. So who knows how it went with the TV pilot?)

[@lolonny777]

the surprise truly sent me into shock… i’ve went out of my way to never watch the movies though i of course know of their existence… but i’ve never ONCE, ANYWHERE seen that surprise even MENTIONED. incredible…

[@lolonny777]

no finstock though… go to hell

[@ness3614]

i am loving this series and will wait patiently for the writers strike to end and the third part to be produced, like a hungry young wolf in the den anticipating their pack elders return with the fruit of a successful hunt(awoooooooooooooo).

[@neivilde.1242]

I think there had to be a modicum of success for these movies because I remember reading a book , couldn’t tell you what, that was referencing stiles from the original movies. Like something about his shirts specifically, i was like oh, must’ve been one of those classic characters before the show made him the tumblr guy

[@jane-mulcahy]

funny that Stiles has always been the most enduring part of the teen wolf brand

[@letter3lead]

Been dealing with an absolutely horrendous Teen Wolf hyperfixation for months and I entirely blame this video for it- I am haunted at night by this goofy ass series, send help

[@nitac7174]

This was such a great watch, thank you for your time deep diving into the animated series! I also love you supporting the strike. If I may make a suggestion I’d love to see you cover some Australian shows, like Blue Water High. Or even the very strange New Zealand one called The Tribe. Both were major parts of my childhood and adolescence (along with Degrassi)

[@rampion1228]

PLEase I would love to see her cover Ocean Girl

[@marchingham]

Fantastic video! As rough as HB animation can be, there's something about that late 80's animation style that gives me the warm fuzzies. (Possibly bc some of my first memories consist of my pet monster and the beetlejuice cartoon) Kudos for going through alllllll of this just for us in the name of hot wolf summer :)

[@mewdreamer]

This was a really great video. I had seen the first two Teen Wolf movies, but I never heard about the animated series. Plenty of 80's movies became TV series, so it isn't too strange, but I don't think I ever heard about it before. I remember watching the first Teen Wolf on ABC Family and I thought it was fine. It was a solid rental kind of movie or a movie you watch when nothing else was on. I remember watching at least a bit of Teen Wolf 2. I'm not sure if I finished it or if I was paying much attention to it, but it did feel like a cheap cash-in sequel. The animated series is also a cheap cash-in, but at least it has some of that 80's charm. The ending song with Teen Wolf's Totally Rad is pure 80's cheese and I love it. It's really great that you want to support the writers and actors on strike too. Maybe another look into Bollywood films would work as a future topic. I'll be looking forward to your next video whatever it turns out to be of course.

[@finnac89]

I love your inexorable advance into the deep lore of the Teen Wolf Cinematic Universe!I kinda expected the next TW video to take a couple of months anyway, because the end installments of the series are... something to be described. If you're taking recommendations about non-struck media to explore, I would recommend SKAM. It's a short Norwegian teen drama that is essentially Scandinavian Degrassi that has since spawned multiple international spinoffs. It's likely you've already heard of it but it might make for a fun diversion until you see fit to return to your Lifetime/Teen Wolf projects. Keep up the good work!

[@Wendy-je9zf]

I have re-watched this video countless times and every single time. I am delightfully surprised by a Neil Breen reference. Thank you Jane for tapping into an that I feel I care about

[@dancommadirty]

Just finished, yet another absolute banger 🙌 Also side note but animated werewolf Scott gives Will Neff. I shan't elaborate.

[@jane-mulcahy]

I did not know who Will Neff was and upon looking him up I still don't understand what you mean. but I respect your boundary not to elaborate 🤝

[@nina_sayers]

last month when you posted the first teen wolf video i commented saying i couldnt wait to rewatch it once every 3 weeks.... i have since watched that video at least 4 times. so..... i can't wait to rewatch THIS video once a week until your next one is posted!!

[@yoongiyuu3086]

this was fun to watch. when i was little i really liked the michael j fox movie and was aware of the animated series. it wasn’t until i was in middle school when i had a confusing conversation with a friend that i found out there was an mtv series, and a popular one at that 😭

[@sandycheeks5eva]

I can't imagine your Teen Wolf video counts as crossing the picket line, but I respect your decision to not take the chance!

[@nothing-2-live-4]

this is a technical note: words that have “sibilants” or s sounds seem to peak out your mic. consider running your audio through a low pass filter at about 10k Hz to cut out high pitch noise waves. Great vid!

[@Inthepotwithdiogenes]

Not that the comment is directed to me, but thank you for inadvertently solving my audio issues! Really cool to learn something that I've been wondering about by chance.

[@McraftBee]

This is going to an amazing watch! Love your content ❤

[@syd755]

57:53 is the best thing i've ever seen

[@jane-mulcahy]

well they call him Lizard and he IS the rap wizard, so...

[@teecai5250]

So excited for this series of videos I really hope you’ll touch on wolf pack the Jeff Davis passion project that came out like last year it is very deeply bad and no one has seen it and I need to talk about it! Love ur videos

[@flawedsanity]

I watched Wolf Pack (honestly just because I saw Sarah Michelle Gellar was gonna be in it lol) and yeah, it was awful. I wish someone would make a video about it

[@averyalyse]

I watched it as well and it has some of the worst character work I have ever seen for a show.

[@artisthonyajta]

Only you could get me to watch a whole section dedicated to the Teen Wolf cartoon. I accidentally discovered it and by seeing it was a Hanna Barbara cartoon I knew that I didn’t want to watch it (because of how they would push out ANYTHING back then). Good job on this entire video !!

[@GiulianaBruna]

11:51 I'm thinking about Disney's RED. Hereditary shape-shifting, with a parent traumatized by it, instant popularity by the monster form, a "be yourself" lesson and "lose control in the heat of the moment". It is also a mirror with femininity coming of age instead of masculinity coming of age.

[@averyalyse]

Fantastic video as always! I absolutely adore the original movie, it is legitimately one of my favorite movies ever, flaws and all. Maybe it has something to with my love for 80s camp, or my undying love for Michael J. Fox. I even agree with all the gripes you have about it, your take scratched an itch in my brain.

[@themarkiscookin]

I don’t know why they didn’t just have Jason Bateman play Scott when they character they had him play is basically just scott

[@mchjsosde]

Looking forward to the completion of this series! I'm really enjoying it!

[@kathleenspica6910]

I just started this video but wow I can’t believe I’ve been re-watching the Teen Wolf (and the movies) independently of this video series!! V excited.

[@christionpulliam9870]

I always think it would have been a great reveal that everyone liked him but they only liked him because they feared him would have been a great twist and made the point of Scott needing to truly be himself hit home

[@caminandoyflotando]

Now patiently waiting for your Prom Night series retrospective

[@jane-mulcahy]

that would be fun! those movies are Canadian, I wonder if I could talk about them during the strikes... I'll do some research

[@caminandoyflotando]

@@jane-mulcahy It’s a really interesting series. All four are so different in tone and theme that it’s a disjointed viewing experience. My personal favorite is part 4. It’s technically not the best but it has some imagery that is super unsettling and I’ve never seen anyone on KZbin cover it.

[@cacography]

my thought process when watching this video 1. oh that's funny. a teen wolf cartoon. well, every IP had a saturday morning cartoon back in the day, but i don't remember this one. 2. wait. i recognize that shot of the whole family. i guess i remember it after all, but i didn't watch it 3. ohhh right. the fake werewolf elvira that scott traveled to hollywood to go see. i definitely saw that

[@flawedsanity]

Lol no way, i was just rewatching part 1 😂 it's become my new comfort video/go-to while I'm eating or relaxing

[@ivester__]

yessss part 2 !!! im sure this is gonna be another banger, love ur videos 😇

[@infinity-marc]

The best needle drop of the first movie is the "Staying Alive" sound-a-like that plays when Scott is getting ready for the dance. Watched the whole cartoon on PlutoTV, and it looked so gray and faded compared to the remasters.

[@claudiaortensia4670]

I am beyond happy to find out about the Teen Wolf animated series and I will absolutely be checking it out. There's something about the silly cheesy camp of this era of cartoons that I have a lot of warm fondness towards and this feels like uncovering some kind of lost treasure.

[@Scarybug]

Scott's supportive and loving dad is my favorite thing about the first movie. The twist reveal that his dad is a werewolf too and he doesn't have to hide a secret from him is a great subversion of the "supernatural secret" trope

[@SchulzEricT]

Yeah, I think the thing that makes the movie so memorable is that it's just so blase about him being a werewolf. Everybody finds out and is like, "alright" and the movie just moves along, seemingly more concerned with the high school drama than the fact that Scott is a goddamn werewolf. "Summer of Tears" did a great video that serves as a fantastic companion piece to the movie; it used to be on youtube, not sure why it no longer is (or if so, I can't find it); it's something like 8-12 mins, definitely worth checking out if you can find it.

[@sabinewood8415]

i think it's a really good point that themes are relevant in any type of media we consume. it makes me think too that probably the majority of media that most people consume is not serious in nature, but clearly people find meaning in it. critically analyzing media that played some role in shaping our perspectives, especially media for youth, who are probably most sensitive to finding themes, should absolutely not be confined to "seriousness"

[@DearxMyxSongs]

28:22 the second you said, “Tod Howard,” it made me think of Girlfriend Review’s ‘song’ “Todd Howard, Shiny Shoes, Fancy Jacket,” and now it keeps playing in my head on a loop 😅

[@DayZe13]

Oh thank goodness you’ve uploaded your channel (and Bollywood, thanks) is my new hyperfixation and I’ve watched all your relatively new videos at least twice in the last. Week?

[@marialuisasena8947]

i’m really hyped for this, Jane! i finally had the time to catch up on part one these past few days (top tier stuff!) and i was looking forward to more wolf content!!

[@marialuisasena8947]

hell yeah! i just saw you included Ginger Snaps as a recommendation in your Wolf girl starter pack blog post! absolute banger film. i’m a sucker for womanhood/monster media. and those articles are looking REAL interesting (also pretty distant from what i’m looking at writing for university)

[@blue-xt3wi]

i have to pack a suitcase and you posting this is a dream!! i was gonna watch and pack to jenny nicholson's beastly video but to get educated on another weird piece of teen supernatural media is a total win

[@ezrabirdhouse]

honestly its crazy that scott's cousin made elder scrolls after winning that boxing match

[@serenitymoon825]

The only reason i knew of the original movie before the show was because i was on a Michael J. Fox craze after watching Back to the Future for the first time, lol

[@SiaShar]

Hey, great vids on Teen Wolf so far, thanks! You asked for a comment if we went into mtv teen wolf knowing all the pre-existing properties. I did see the animated series before the mtv series. For context, I'm 30 years old.

[@jane-mulcahy]

wow, like I said, I'm impressed! not just because of the cartoon's obscurity but also its relative unwatchability. you are a brave soul

[@stupidityisdangerous]

Jeph Loeb wrote the 1985 Teen Wolf movie?? Like, Jeph Loeb the comic book writer??

[@leostewart996]

If you’re looking for a good ridiculous werewolf movie, might I suggest the Canadian classic Wolf Cop? It does in fact feature a wolf mobile

[@jane-mulcahy]

okay that does sound pretty great

[@technicolordreamer]

Love your Teen Wolf and Degrassi videos! Have you ever seen the 90s show "Big Wolf on Campus"? Though unrelated to Teen Wolf, would you ever consider doing a video on that show? Another suggestion for future video- either Roswell WB/CW tv series.

[@D1ona1]

I watched the first Teen Wolf movie all the time growing up. So I was excited when MTV was doing the show and was a "bit" shocked at the tone difference 😅 I definitely was expecting more of a comedy

[@mchjsosde]

The Teen wolf animated transformations walked so Jimmy Neutron's ear-to-brain revelations could run.

[@matthewhood7844]

It seems like every '80s movie got a cartoon. Rambo was turned into a kid's cartoon for goodness sake.

[@ericmabry1752]

I love how even in its obscurity the Teen Wolf cartoon still manages to include Frank Welker. The man's a legend

[@nadege.s]

this is just what I needed to distract me from finals week-- regardless of how strictly I conform to 1980s gender roles

[@sheastar334]

I never comment, but for strike content recommends I wouldn’t say no to another YA book rant video. 😂

[@jane-mulcahy]

nor would I!

[@RoseOfTheAbyss]

I loved the first movie and had seen he second one as a kid. I never managed to find where to watch the cartoon, but now I don't feel like I have to 😂 I also never watched the MTV show so I assumed they just shared the same name. It's funny thinking about this being the source material. I'm looking forward to the last video whenever it comes out!

[@christheBlindSocialist]

It has been a number of years since I have seen the 1st Teen Wolf movie. I remember it fondly. I never considered the weaknesses pointed out here. I would have to guess that is due to my age. As a child, these weaknesses still worked for me. I don't remember much about the sequel. Just bits & umages in my memory. I remember I liked it, but I was very young when it came out. I remember Scott's dad dropping Todd off at college. Todd shifting for the 1st time. The Ferris Bueller-like musical number. The final fight. The she-wolf with the tail, & my young mind thinking, "That's hot." I'm weird... Until now I had completely forgotten the animated series existed. Sometimes I forget that there was an animated ALF series too. I do not at all remember what it looked like, & now realy hate that I am now blind. Now that I do remember the show, I am fairly certain I had seen it before the movies. When I later learned the movies were a thing, I was like, "Hell yeah!" The 80s & early 90s were a weird time to be a kid. Wasn't there an unrelated Disney Channel series about a teen werewolf in high school back in the day?

[@meaghanvanloenen8458]

I highly recommend the video for the Send Me An Angel, which is high 80s drama in the school of Total Eclipse of the Heart (but with no random flying choirboys). Edited to add: I remember something like the earlier version of the video (the 1983 one) actually had a werewolf in it, though it predates Teen Wolf.

[@DeadpoolNegative]

You know, when I first watched the Shayna episode 35 (AAAAAAA) Years ago, I genuinely thought Shayna was a werewolf and she was so "closeted" as it were, that she didn't want to admit that to Scott because, well, she doesn't know HE's a werewolf too. It never, ever occurred to me that it could be the other way around. It's the one episode of the series I really remember, because the voice actor playing Scott actually did a good job making Scott sound really desperate and lonely. The only other thing I remember about the animated series was tall the supporting characters were really annoying and Styles was a a straight up jerk. Also no Scott's mom. WHERE'S SCOTT'S MOM? I've been wondering that for 38 years now.

[@Max-ql2pv]

Re: the criticisms you got on the 1st video. I think some people hear about camp and immediately think it means something sucks? But I think they don't understand camp or how people can genuinely enjoy it FOR being campy. Since camp is an ironic style there's an inherent internal tension that invites the viewer to laugh alongside the show. (And the disappearing camp is a large part of why my enjoyment of the show diminished in season 3.) So they think if you're pointing out the silliness it means you're just a jaded adult being unfair to a teen show. At least that's the way some of the anti-criticism comes off. I was shortly in the TW fandom when season 1-3A aired. I was a young adult at the time, mostly talking about the show with other 20-27 year olds, and the camp was the biggest draw for most of us young queer adults! That and the promise of queer characters which we didn't experience a lot in the teen media when we were growing up. So it was refreshing to have a (seemingly) queer-positive show. Not gonna get into the Teen Choice Awards clip, because I cringe so hard just thinking about it, but some of us got our hopes up that we were finally getting something that had been denied us in our formative years: main characters in a hit show being queer. Anyway. Going back to your first video. For the record, I don't think you were saying that anyone is wrong for enjoying TW. To me the recaps (I watched the show recaps first) had a very light touch in terms of criticism! You mostly pointed out that the show tackled big socially charged topics without making space for the emotional charge that they hold. Which is more than fair! And I really appreciated how you brought up Kali's visual treatment (the bare feet thing) because it was a BIG deal in my adult corner of the fandom. People were angry at Jeff for doing that to the only female character of colour. So yeah, I 100% agree that there's nothing wrong with engaging seriously with unserious media! Otherwise we could never talk about any comedy or kid's show. Which is ridiculous because there's a whole specialization in literature and media that's concerned with how to make good media for kids: how to approach serious topics based on the age group, what language to use, how the brain develops, how to introduce new ideas or words to expand their understanding, etc. Just because those cardboard picture books end up with the corners chewed off by toddlers doesn't mean the entire field shouldn't exist.

[@Max-ql2pv]

Ok, actually commenting on this video now. 😅 I think another way the movie undercuts traditional masculinity is how their team is called the Beavers? Not to be crass, but that had to be deliberate, no? TW the tv show being inspired by the animated series makes so much more sense in retrospect! It also explains why the first 2 seasons were so much more campy and cartoonish. Stiles really feels like he could be a cartoon, but that's in large part to Dylan O'Brien's acting, so maybe that skews my impressions. Given that in an animated morning cartoon the characters don't really change as you pointed out, it might have carried over into Scott's characterization in the MTV show. At least with how he's written in the first 2 seasons. His priorities--to his own detriment, and sometimes with people's lives in the balance--are always Allison and their relationship. That feels a lot more like a cartoon character's 1 defining trait, than it does a teen show's protagonist. You may already know this, but there's another repurposed hearse that chronologically falls right between the TW cartoon and Degrassi's season 10. It's in 6 Feet Under where Claire's family owns and runs a funeral parlour. I think Degrassi's writers were probably more familiar with that show since it was a huge hit. It was written by Alan Ball right after his American Beauty success. (Though it is funnier to think they borrowed it from the TW cartoon).

[@josetteelaine8664]

I’m old as dirt. I remember all of these. Including the cartoon which I loved. My twin sister and I loved MTV’s Teen Wolf because we were such original fans.

[@Scarybug]

I'm 44 so I was too young to watch Teen Wolf the movie when it came out, but the animated series was my first ever exposure to werewolves as a concept. When I became a teenager and finally saw Teen Wolf (on TV so the raunchy humor and homophobia was cut out) I was very surprised how different the premise was. Also: I think for the sake of completionism you could also look at the 1957 film "I was a Teenage Werewolf" which I'm pretty sure Teen Wolf is directly referencing in its title.

[@Lucy-yd6uj]

I absolutely think these pieces of media are worthy of deeper evaluation! Even media that claims to be parody is still its own reflection of what's happening in society

[@Getro.]

Seriously great video dud!

[@doglover2965]

LETS GOOO me and my roommate just chanted JANE JANE JANE you’re our favorite youtuber ❤

[@jane-mulcahy]

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