the black church is cooked

[@lilbilliam]

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[@xbabu142x]

You have inspired a real life trolling method that's great fun. Me and my friend, fellow Duke fan btw, we discovered a colleague of his who apparently pretends to be one with a ficus to witness "melanated freemasonry." In our case the freemasonry connection was the same Duke merch but prob not a football watcher. 😅 There was a recent whole peer researched study by some 🤓 from Queen Mary College in London, basically implying we have latent earthbending abilities.

[@KeepitReal2772]

Votes for Republicans or Democrats is a vote for Slavery an Dictatorship‼️ What should be obvious to anyone with a brain at this point is both of these 💩 parties the Democrats🤡 and the Republicans😈 have been working together to push this country into Dictatorship Fascist country by using the strategy of the republicans get in they push the whole country to the right the democrats get in and keep the status quo then the republicans get in once again and push the whole country to the right this has been happening for the past 40 years everyone do your research It's clear to see that this is the truth that no one is telling you. So any Trump supporters (especially Black&Brown ones) thinking that you won something you really just won modern day slavery where you work for slave wages for the Elites (like Elon, Jeff Bezos Big Banks etc) and you live in Low-income poverty for the rest of your life. If any of you think your lives are gonna get better under Trump your sally mistaken It should be pretty obvious to anyone that corporations and billionaires are gaining more wealth and power and the people are gaining less power, less rights, and less control that will continue under Trump to the point where you will be just like people in third world countries. So if you want freedom your going to have to fight for it because these Neocon Colonialists are not going to just hand you freedom so a revolution is going to have to be necessary because at this point people are too stupid to form a third party and vote only for independent candidates so get ready for the civil unrest an whole collapse of society.

[@The_House_Velaryon]

Just curious, do you feel that if pentecostalism is black Christians expressing themelves true to their Africanness, without succumbing to white supremacy... A view I can consider.... Why then has it been so easily hijacked? Seymour and McCallister were divided because of McCallidters racist hate, and the pentecostalism has been a racially divided institutional since the 1900s. Now it seems all the variants from prosperity to evangelical has cashed in on black pentecostalism. And these are from Benny Hinn to Tilton. Some of them even before Jakes turned the black holiness movement into their money stream What am I missing here?

[@The_House_Velaryon]

Wait why was my comment deleted? It's a real legit comment

[@xbabu142x]

@@The_House_Velaryon For mentioning the lack of plot development in regards to The House Velaryon! Real answer: you had a word that is on lil Bill's wordlist most likely and the comment needs to be manually approved by him. Otherwise the first reason put you in manual review. Comments are not deleted by KZbin just placed in pending review for creator to look at fyi

[@FDSignifire]

One of the biggest losses from church is that it was basically a free music school for black children

[@lilbilliam]

fr everything I learned about music theory was in church

[@tonystarks4400]

Facts!!

[@middaymeds]

I grew up playing a dented rental trumpet in church at like 14 even though I was a brat who would always quote the parts of the Bible you're not supposed to quote. When a friend finally forced me to attend one of those giant evangelical churches in high school, it kinda bummed me out how all the musicians were professionals with high end gear. I had never seen pedalboards that big before, even at the concerts of well known bands.

[@doriandenard5846]

The music nowadays is definitely unholy....and trash at the same time

[@cuyxjrplays]

Makes sense

[@1fanfalcon]

24:47 brahhhhhhhhhh my old pastor told my mom Pokémon cards are from the devil so I couldn’t play with those or even watch Harry Potter. Within the next year, he was found to have stolen $1.2 million from the church building and I can’t play with my damn Squirtle. Lefts a bad taste in my mouth foreal.

[@truthseeker215]

I don’t believe you. What’s his name

[@myakay1]

😂😂😂😂😂damn no squirtle and 1.2 mill GONE. Im so sorry bro but this shit is so funny, they really be loons in there

[@lincolnrichie7684]

Bruh, I had this same experience at the last church I attended in Memphis before I broke west for college. Pastor was on the pulpit listing off the abilities of Alakazam from a Pokemon card and the congregation was having a rebuking fit 😂. 20+ years later and that memory still cracks me up

[@notmamacarl8527]

@@truthseeker215Wayne and Brenda Millender, maybe. Old indictment from 2016 in Alexandria, VA

[@HeyTash]

this is heartbreaking and adorable 😂

[@FishareFriendsNotFood972]

Any institution that gets overly monopolized gets worse, so when local churches became mega Churches, they became less about community connection and more about making profits.

[@ChocoBeauty8]

Say it louder for the slow 🥷🏿

[@xbabu142x]

Yup the institution of the Catholic Church in England is heinous. I swear rich people take pleasure or something in the torture of their own kids.

[@Trotoloko]

Small churches do the same. It's just a different business model. And they do monopolize. They monopolize art, they monopilize culture, they monopolize phylosophy, they monopolize identity, they monopolize the community, they monopolize time given, they monopolize quiet places to be... they monopolize everything they can the same way businesses do, even if the coin of exchange for work and time isn't money, but shallow promises of the afterlife, faith, and a sense of community.

[@manestage5403]

This is the bottom line. Also, the “mega church” model has been subscribed to and adopted by many small, local church leaders. So, even though there isn’t a good 100 people total in the congregation, the damage is just as if not more severe because the mentality and game is the same, but with worse effects because the people don’t realize or expect it.

[@kevinmccoy2160]

This.

[@KingKay2019]

Without the Black Church most of us wouldn’t have made it out of Reconstruction. The Church was the foundation of the community and it held us down. Sadly as community oriented as it is it LOVES to pick on those they consider other or ‘sinners’ from a hypocritical pulpit. They taught me to hate myself before I even knew I was queer. They talked out the side of their neck about my single mom with three kids working in the ministry until she ultimately left. I loved the church but why didn’t it love us back.

[@leynan-ev6rz]

I'm so deeply sorry this happened to you and your mother. And I do hope you love yourself now.💐😊

[@QuantumCairo]

Because the church is exclusively hypocritical, nearly entirely. I can recognize good in the church, especially for people of color but until they cut out their own hypocrisy the will never rise to the height it was once at for us. Even though it was mostly a necessity for us to survive, when you're getting hate from everywhere you need something to hold onto but that doesnt help queer individuals... I've never been introduced to or have been able to study a religion that gives ALL its people what is needed; Mother was raised Catholic, raised us Baptist, knew of the jewish faith because we have a big jewish community, went to Christian and Lutheran schools...ALL OF THEM! Not a single one can stand on their own morals with Queer individuals and youngs recognize that and call it out. I appreciate the young for that but I can agree that the loss of musical talent being cultivated is beyond sad. This is how so many groups steal from us even though we created nearly all forms of popular music that exists today. When you have a people divided its far easier to steal, abuse and divide people when they're weakened already from the struggle of surviving for hundreds of years under someone elses boot (and those boots are still close by trying to stomp out lifeforce to this very day) and infighting in the community...

[@leynan-ev6rz]

@@QuantumCairoYou've spoken so much truth in your comment, sir. Well done!💐

[@Jalenlane93]

Religions have standards as hypocritical as they may be sometimes.

[@jimmyalfonda3536]

It's a colonizer faith anyhow. Time for a new religion.

[@MISSMADISONMEDIA]

They lost me when I realized people will be preaching about how the devil makes kids gay but won’t ever mention the rampant pedophilia and abuse within their own institution. Mfs lost the plot a long time ago :/

[@InterstellarKev]

Because pedophila only matters when it's gay to Christian's. They will swear up and down and try and make you understand and justify why it was okay for Moses to be raped by his own little girls for proof why it's okay to fuck your cousins or fuck anything under 18 because it's in the Bible and the Bible can do no wrong. I remebe my own dad saying he would kill me if he found out I had any feelings towards anyone the same sex as me. Like any emotion lmao. Hell my grandma called the pastor and the police on me calling me a demon for eating medium steak. She went to shoal Creek mental hospital in Austin the next day.

[@kylebarnett3003]

Pedophilia is rampant in the "Catholic" Church, of course founded by the Romans/free masons who rewrote the Bible to suit their own ideologies, inspired by Satan. Hence why the great majority of them idolize the pope, and why he publicly proclaimed "all roads (religions) lead to Christ.

[@MrNick-og4qm]

The number of children sexually abused in American public schools is far, FAR greater than the number of children abused in American churches. Yes you can say “all of the church abuse isn’t reported,” and I’m sure that’s correct, but I’m also sure ALL of the school abuse isn’t reported either, the reason people bring up child abuse in church immediately when church is discussed is simply because Hollywood and the media never shut up about a disgusting “preacher” abusing the people he should be teaching, but when it’s a “public” school (the government controls every aspect of public school, like what they can feed the kids, teach the kids, show the kids, the funding they get, what tests they take etc. so it’s a government school) that’s why the media never brings those abusers up unless it’s a hot blonde female teacher and male student because that is just kind of shrugged off by society.

[@deedeeramone34]

That’s common in our culture as a whole, let’s be real

[@user-mw7dp8ir5r]

Really? My pastor has mentioned pedoph1lia before in a few sermons. He’s strongly against it. Maybe just find the right church that’s Bible Preaching.

[@oleanderlove6113]

I remember as a pre-teen, I told my Aunty, after telling me I shouldn't be reading Harry Potter, "If heaven is filled with them people from church, then heaven sounds like hell".. She was speechless. And church attendance become optional for me but I still had to go to bible study on Wednesdays.

[@Annoitedpastorlewiswalkin]

wow that a powerful line sadly church people r often the most hyprocriteful n hateful people out but be thankful that when u read the bible yourself away from the church u realize true men of God was never like that n Jesus was not like that. they had love their eyes for humanity n people in general. They had YAH truly in them. most r following a religion n tradition of man called church. Few r following YAH n the bible n what it actually says most dont even read the old testament ppr the minor prophet. when last u ehar the book of hosea or micah preached in church. exactly. read the word n learn the truth for yourself away from self serving hyprocrites n let the spirit guide u in doing so amen.

[@Regene2383]

Happy not the only one who did bible study on Wednesdays 😭

[@mbalingubane5852]

Aunty knew you cooked

[@rrickarr]

White children read Harry Potter and they learn to dream and imagine a new world. Everything and anything that exists was first a thought in someone´s mind. Instead your aunt wants you to read below grade level and be an unexceptional person.

[@JayOverCameHell]

Well Harry Potter is literally witchcraft & magic so id say your aunty was right in this case 💯🤣

[@QuixoticUkulele]

I grew up in a Pentecostal church and baaaaaaby, we couldn't do anything. Couldn't read a newspaper, couldn't watch television, couldn't wear makeup, couldn't color or cut our hair, couldn't wear jeans. Looking back, a part of me deep down felt like we were in a cult.

[@talhahshahid9191]

Amen Jesus does not require these things of us except to believe in him. These are the doctrines of men

[@raczgreen6053]

Wow and I thought the sanctified church was very strict...😳

[@quesoqueso7598]

Couldn’t read a newspaper?

[@QuixoticUkulele]

@@raczgreen6053 I remember asking the pastor a question and my mama got so offended that I would even ask him anything and she waited until we got outside after service and she smacked the fire out of me. That would have been the last time I went to that church. I was raised to never ask questions to the leaders of the church, so the idea that I was just to blindly follow this man was insane. I tried telling my mama all these years later that something was put in my heart to confront him. Lol, she said that I allowed the devil to use to me. 😩😩😩😩

[@raczgreen6053]

@@QuixoticUkulele That was a sick cult 😳 🥃💉

[@saxonkrautz]

One of my favourite stories in the bible is about the money lenders in the temple. The one time the prince of peace throws hand's. Don't understand how prosperity gospel miss this.

[@antiembishop07]

It's not the fact that it's missed. It's just not preached.

[@OfJournalandJourney]

A den of thieves!

[@andrewklang809]

Prosperity gospel cares far more about the former than the latter.

[@KingKay2019]

Like this 🙉🙈🙊

[@georgethemonkeydrummer5598]

You’d be surprised how easily it is to manipulate impoverished members/communities who have no hope left in their lives to donate what little they have left to a charismatic figure. Oh and that same group of people also don’t read their bibles which they have and just solely rely on whatever their local figure/church say in regards to interpretation. And you think it’s bad in America? Think this, but multiply by 100x in Africa. I’ve talked with some mainline missionaries who travel there for volunteering in food bank programs from their church org. Or small housing programs they fund alongside other local churches, and it’s real bad. You’ll have villages whose elders literally DIE due to putting their money on some prosperity gospel figures who blatantly tell them they’ll be healed if they give them all their money rather than trusting their local clinic or Pharmacy to buy basic treatment or medicine for their illness or need. Once, a SBC pastor who travelled down in for housing efforts in Kenya and surrounding nations told me he met a lady who would refuse to go to a hospital or clinic to get her illness checked out (I forget what it was). And it wasn’t a terminal illness either. This could easily be address and fully be cured within a month. Of course, because of her old age, it was only a matter of time before it would worsen and become life threatening. Yet, she refused the help because her faith was placed on one of the biggest prosperity gospel preachers of the time in Kenya that she would be healed should she just donate all her money and stay at home watching his sermons. She passed away within 4 weeks and the pastor nor family or local community could ever convince her to leave her bed. Even in her last moments, rather than praying, she still had hope that the preacher would still come through with his miracle promises at the time. I’ve never seen a pastor’s face get so contorted out of anger just from recounting a story. The thing is, it’s quite a common and recurring story you’ll hear down in those communities and even those mainline organizations have essentially 0 power to stop or deter it. That 100x worse than America is no exaggeration, I truly mean that.

[@solitude1x]

"We are less anointed than the guy with skin tight trousers, hitting the griddy during the altar call?" HOLD ON!! HIS WRITING KINDA FIRE??? 🤚😲✋

[@SupremeSwaggy]

🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@mickythemute]

The sponsor is wild

[@danielw7290]

😂😂

[@ImAllisonWonderland]

Caught me wayyyy off guard 😂😂

[@nichellegarrett8467]

😂😂😂🎉

[@BoiBangleyYT]

YO I READ THIS, LOOKED UP AS THE VIDEO STARTED AND CACKLED

[@Enbionic_Titan]

Nvr thought I'd see the day when Billiam started hawking the WHITE MAN'S product... smh. Hate to see it

[@yeanah2571]

Lil Bill long form AND a new Kendrick album on the same day?!? The timeline is repairing itself

[@happygucci5094]

I thought I was the first one to get to write this…. DAMN ( 😉😁)! Today was a Good Day Salute 🫡 💗💯🔥✊🏽🙌🏽‼️

[@johnindigo5477]

It's 2017 again. Trump and all 😢

[@hhhsp951]

​@@johnindigo5477hey wait a minute...ok now it's 2017

[@Zayyan_Shaibu]

Long form is crazyyyyy

[@antonydrossos5719]

To the Blerds reading this, the real reason Pasto’Ribs told your mom your comics, anime and video games were “demonic”, was because the money going to your fandoms was money not going to him. It’s about control. If your mother is a churchgoer, and is chronically single, the reason is obvious. It’s better for the pastor for the women in his congregation to stay single, so he doesn’t have to compete with some man to control her!

[@kiw.9805]

This is real AF

[@cabalofdemons]

I enjoyed the video. You mentioned most great black came up in the church and that the current decline in RnB music could be attributed to a decline in church attendance. There's a video on KZbin that addresses the state of RnB music and why most of these new singers can't sing. The video covers the black church but also the government invested in music programs from the 1930s-1980s. Thus, kids learned music theory and how to sing. Therefore, a girl growing up in the 50s practiced with the church choir and practiced at school, getting hours of practice each week. That's how the great singers came up. However, once public funding of music programs declined, that leads to fewer kids getting a music education. When you couple that with the lack of church attendance, it follows you'll have fewer singers, let alone good singers.

[@jacquelynn2051]

I'm 50 years old and you are correct I grew up in jersey and from kindergarten to 8th grade I was in chorus and band...we even traveled to compete with our peers in middle school. Not to mention my Mom had us in church at least 3 times per week. Plus singing with you own siblings. What a time. I so wish i knew how good I used to hav

[@longlivebeans]

Yep. I have a feeling this is also happening in the acting world. School theater programs are practically nonexistent now.

[@taylorwaylor8965]

I’ve noticed a lot of the reason our r&b was soooo freaking good was because the best singers came up and grew up in the black Baptist church. Good r&b dwindled down in the 00s. Right when mega churches were on the up and up.

[@francisnopantses1108]

That is really sad because they discovered that music instruction improved math scores at school too.

[@ziontartt6193]

My mom didn't raise me and my siblings around or with religion, so I never felt the type of connection many black people have with church/god, and up until highschool I viewed religion as like... a fandom? Like I didn't know until I got to talking about religion with other kids that people really believed all that stuff in a real way. Im 24 now and I've never felt a draw or a need for religion in my life, and it has made me feel so incredibly unblack when I talk to other black people.

[@ziontartt6193]

It makes me feel like I'll never be connected to my people in any meaningful way, because religion means so much to black people and seemingly connects with something deep inside them, and I just don't have it.

[@ziontartt6193]

But this video is very good and taught me a lot, it helped to give me an understanding of something I never experienced!

[@tangoblast7614]

I've been nursing a pet theory that fandom, cults, and organized religion are all on a continuum of the same thing for years. Coming from a religious person

[@KayDSavage-dy6of]

it's almost synonymous to be black and Christian. which 5 crazy cuz this was never our god to behing with but somehow we believe after all these years he's answering the prayers of the oppressed and the oppressors

[@abaren730]

I grew up in the Church, but I kinda hate it nowadays. It feels like everyone is too concerned with pretending to be pure. Showing off for the congregation. Everyone has all the answers, and no one cares to ask questions. And those answers are all to let go of who you are and obey THEIR interpretation of the scripture. As someone who’s queer and a bit bookish, who feels unblack just for existing, it’s hostile, unfair, and INCREDIBLY disrespectful. Not all churches are the same, but God’s gonna have to forgive me for keeping my guard up till I find one that doesn’t hate me.

[@NonBinary_Star]

47:34 😮‍💨😒The amount of times the church I went to and my school (attached to the church) called sh1t "demonic" was insane brahh! Like, whoa!! I actually believed I was doomed to hell as a kid because I liked to watch X-Men! Trying to wear an X-Men costume but being chastised because it's demonic is diabolical niqqa!! A few years ago I directed an art gallery exhibition in Chicago and was excited when some blk folk came thru! But then the dudes came up and asked, "You do this demonic stuff all the time?" 🤯niqqa I got so sad for my ppl!!! How is abstract photography and experimental concept fashion devil worshipping⁉️

[@maxsmart9116]

Exactly why people leave the church.

[@OfJournalandJourney]

Same here, especially as I went to school down south. It was staggering how everything and anyone was condemned but themselves. Hated every minute of it

[@Broken_robot1986]

I'm in NC and everyone believes in demons/angels/ghost/spirits what have you.

[@blkmagi]

​@@Broken_robot1986 I'm in NC too and my mom said I couldn't read Harry Potter or watch Inuyasha bc it would "bring spirits in the house" 🤣🤣

[@Juwellz18]

I'm curious to know what type of art you displayed. I too feel disappointed when I hear people just say something is "demonic" because it makes them feel uncomfortable, or they don't understand it.

[@ayanamayes]

I remember going to church with Tonex and thinking it was so sad that he couldn't just be how he was. People would love watching him perform but at same time give him the side eye and laughed at him. It gave me the ick and as a queer kid I stopped going as soon as I could.

[@blkmagi]

Tonex was so good and I loved him. I can recall when he came out and the reactions he got and I remember being so scared bc I already knew I was queer by that point. It made me hate myself and caused a lot of trauma and is at least part of the reason my skin starts to crawl whenever someone tries to invite me to church. It's like why would I go somewhere that I know I'm not wanted?

[@753studios6]

Same ,I moved from the south and found people who accepts me for who I am ☺️

[@ayanamayes]

@@753studios6 glad for you

[@theothesir]

Tonex had a beautiful voice.

[@doubleclutch4369]

Perhaps the same reason you watched and are in the comment section of a video about the “black church” years later?

[@mamimelusine]

Me and my husband loved this movie so much. I thought Regina Hall deserved an Oscar nod for that mime scene alone. I feel like it’s so rare to see a Black movie that has that kind of dry, offbeat, dark humor that trusts its audiences intelligence without spelling everything out but also be grounded in Black culture. When that little girl said “I love theater” it took me out. So nice to see someone analyze it and the nuances of Black church culture.

[@OddDuQ]

The FD laugh track at 54:37 was perfect🤌🏽 it’s the little things.

[@kaelyn8466]

Never thought about how the response to Eddie Long would have been different had the victims been girls. The homophobia definitely played a role in how swiftly they got Long out of there.

[@tacrewgirl]

Yep

[@happygucci5094]

And what that is telling us about how BOTH the damage to our girl children and boy children are condoned … it is SHAMEFUL. Lived through it.

[@kaelyn8466]

@@happygucci5094 True. Exactly that. The implications behind why our community responds the way it does, based on who is doing the abusing and who is abused is shameful. Our children deserve so much better.

[@happygucci5094]

@ THIS PART‼️ I am watching and hearing the conversations around Diddy and also ( at least for me) the larger implications of this Rap Battle/ what Kendrick stands for and WHO he stands for- we need some serious critical analysis of what our community needs to not just heal - but thrive and that means standing on business and standing FOR something. And it’s reading like we don’t want to stand on the things that require personal sacrifice and discipline- so many of the Diddy and Drake defenders are the very ones that engage in the same behavior and I am sick to death of it- our young people deserve better. Period. And to circle it back- people are more disturbed at the prospect of Diddy being bisexual than a pedo abuser of young boys and assaulter of women and alleged murderer... It’s disgusting. The system is going to be what it is- it wasn’t written for us and it is perfectly designed to continue to get the results that we currently have to exist in- these are InHouse, Within Community issues- and lines must be drawn.

[@kenyasmith2652]

Exactly, because if the victims were girls, folks would probably be quick to protect Long and quick to accuse the girls of “being fast” or of trying to “seduce” him. Since the victims were boys, of course, the victims are the same-sex as Long, and we all know what that means. He’s gay, and that’s frowned on in church.

[@unamejames]

Community is a double edged sword. There are a lot of benefits, but communities love deciding who's in and out, and it could easily be you next.

[@localblackman427]

I saw this movie in theaters with my wife. It was completely empty except for the worker who checks for pirates. It was phenomenal and I picked up on every cultural reference. I grew up in the Bible belt and have been in cali the past 10 years tho. That movie unlocked memories I forgot I had

[@Juwellz18]

As a Manscape user, I approve this sponsor. As a PK (preachers kid), I approve this video. Thanks for this Bill

[@tomtom7734]

I was delivered from my sexuality…then I met my husban and his two sons. Now I’m a gay dad of two married for twenty years. That phase is gonna end annnnny time soon! 😂😂😂

[@MissTeaq]

* Isn’t ?!?

[@jaybarclift4475]

I ended up watching Honk For Jesus shortly after watching this video. Great recommendation. I think initially it kinda threw me off because the trailer (which I watched in the middle of watching this video once you mentioned it) gives comedy, but it gets a lot darker. However, I appreciate how dark the movie gets. I think what's most interesting is the focus on Trin and her role in the church. Seeing her and Lee-Curtis's slowly go more and more insane was the best part for me. Also just seeing how Trin will never put any accountability on Lee-Curtis (even going as far as blaming the crew), was heartbreaking. Also great performance from Regina Hall. Highly appreciative of this recommendation and this video essay.

[@aescling]

Honk For Jesus, Save Your Soul was easily one of my favorite movies in 2022b it deserved so much more attention than it got. i really eeally happy to see you dropped an essay about it and i’m gonna watch the fuck out of this video

[@celieboo]

I agree! I remember watching that movie the day it came out in a theater with about 10 people in it. I was like, "ooh wee! This movie is going to piss off a lot of church going black folks!" As Lil' Bill referenced, I grew up COGIC (my mother is a pastor), but I have been agnostic for almost 15 years.

[@nickhard7615]

Man, I went into the theatre at like 10:30 at night to see it, completely crossfaded with some friends. We go up to the highest row and there was a homeless man just sleeping in that mf bc no one was seeing it. He ended up just moving to the lowest row and I don't think he was too happy about it. But he certainly stayed after the show was over. Good movie tho

[@taylorwaylor8965]

Me and mom were laughing at it, and she was like I wonder if this is about bishop Eddie long😂. And it wassss. I was in such a rabbit hole that night

[@kalebseymore9625]

You mentioned something that has been my entire issue with this Diddy thing. Everyone’s like no Diddy when it’s regarding something that may sound gay or homosexual everyone’s forgetting the fact that the gay things probably were one of the few consensual acts that went on with this man Sexual assault and possible human trafficking, being overlooked because the interaction was of a gay nature is absolutely insane

[@UncommonSC]

I've seen black women in church in particular "first ladies", become terrors to the women in the church bc they are partners in crime with their pastor/husband while being oppressed themselves. I went through HELL as 1 of only 3 licensed women ministers in a fairly large church in Columbia, SC BC OF THE "FIRST LADY". Needless to say, I left that church and the church after that experience. First Ladies have just as much to lose and just as much responsibility in the role of the oppression and hypocrisy of how the church treats Black women. Regina Hall PLAYED that role to the TEE!

[@lfrancis8980]

I was so angry when TD Jakes endorsed a payday loan app too...

[@cspeak2me]

Really

[@LeonaHeart]

Are you serious? Sigh! I hate when Pastors who are known to help women seem corrupt in some way. It makes it seem like if you support women, you aren’t really truly a good person, or trusty, but it’s a sign that they are UnGodly. That’s what Christians and Ministers who don’t believe women should be in leadership will say.

[@eibmoZZombie]

⁠@@LeonaHeartthat’s because nobody can help you but yourself and God. If you want to play helpless & dead, you attract vultures. It’s important, even if you don’t feel it, to be strong. Any good man/parent/ etc would only help from a distance. With every kind of help leading to self sustainability.

[@LeonaHeart]

@@eibmoZZombie I don’t think we are talking about the same kinda of help. Lol. Especially with your profile picture. Lol. I’m talking about how he has help so many women who were survivors of SA and other kinds of abuse.

[@LeonaHeart]

@@eibmoZZombie And this only makes sense if your parents have the means to help you, not if you are coming from generations of impoverishment. I was a First Generation College Student. When I was poor or without, there were no parents to pay my bills, they had their own bills. Self sustainability is anti capitalist. Capitalism cannot thrive without poor people to work for peanuts. They intentionally make it practically impossible to climb the social ladder.

[@EdgarAllenPwn]

Saw the thumbnail and got chills again. Surpised this movie isn't more well known.

[@tacrewgirl]

Same

[@PinoyBoyRuss]

Bill + FD Sig + Foreign Man = UncTube 🥰

[@phi4721]

Aww ❤

[@madmann1000]

The fact that the black church went from being a place of hope, peace and a sanctuary during the reconstruction and jim era and birth some of the greatest black activist of all time to now being a place where pastors are ministering to their congregation and using the bible to lead them to vote for Trump. I remember visiting my mom's old church once and that man got up there talking about Beyonce is the devil, game consoles is a portal to hell and unleashes demons onto our youth and more. Only to run away with their tithes money a month later smh

[@DRLEWIS]

He did tell the truth though with his thieving self

[@mikemhindu4225]

God, this is depressing. As a Zimbabwean pastor's kid I can see this happening with our churches. Capitalism is so corrosive.

[@melvinharris1210]

As a musician, a member of a black church and a black pastor of the same black church, I cosign to and approve this message!

[@strigoi_guhlqueen8355]

10:11 I love Rosetta Tharpe. There is just something about her music, I cant describe it. She is rock and roll. Like that one performance of "Didnt it rain children" is one of the godliest things ive ever seen.

[@Chuck_EL]

Yup the OG of heavy metal

[@nicholasrodinos4701]

In the words of Caitlin Cook "Nobody deserves to live in a closet... Except R. Kelly."

[@tbhidk]

I currently go to an evangelical church because of my parents and boy it is miserable. Probably the most paranoid judgemental group of people I've ever met. They wonder why my generation doesn't show up anymore but we've seen our families give their all to the church only to receive no help back. The worst part is they'll praise Canadian conservative leaders' hate boner for Indians but ignore how as African immigrants we all relied on immigration policies and government aid too. The hypocrisy is so disheartening.

[@andrique1]

The fact that you gave Lashun pace her credit like that,lets me know that you know what you are talking about

[@rudetuesday]

This was so good and helpful to me. Mom chose to raise us kids outside Black Church, in a non-evangelical tradition, so there's this big void in my first-hand knowledge of Black American culture. It's a lot!

[@chips1215]

Very real im in thr same vote

[@vulkhanasennet9961]

I went to highschool with Eddie Long's daughter during the scandal, I hope Taylor's still doing alright it was like two straight years of bs from everything and everyone around her.

[@sthom146]

I often wonder how his children are doing

[@mickiemallorie]

Capitalism has trained all of us, to think through our wallets first. And our Christian church has almost complete capture by the capitalistic mindstate I've been blessed enough to find a great church that doesn't love money. It's the love that's the problem right? The Bible recognizes the need to pay taxes, be good stewards of finances and leave something for our kids. An actual biblical view of money is actually good guidance...the problem is most churches aren't biblical, so there's that....and a lot of the issues u outline here go back to that lack of biblical direction

[@maxsmart9116]

Is the foaming at the mouth homophobia biblical?

[@mickiemallorie]

@maxsmart9116 nah...it's not Biblical at all. Homophobia from the Christian Church is stupid. The Bible has very logical reasons to dislike homosexuality...and as Christians that doesn't equal hate.

[@mickiemallorie]

@maxsmart9116 no its not Biblical at all.

[@manfromyard]

​@@mickiemallorie Leviticus disagrees with you. That's old testament though..

[@t700e]

@@manfromyard Lol why do I get the feeling that that’s the only part of the Bible you’ve read?

[@Ikirys]

"hittin the griddy during altar call" is gonna live in my head for the next week

[@prudentreality]

As a white, millennial woman, I’ve spent the past several years reading and dissecting how white, US evangelicalism grew into the facist-nationalist movement it’s fully become. This essay on the history of the black US church intersects so painfully with my own decomposing tradition. This was a hard watch! Thank you. I also appreciated the dark comic moments immensely. Laugh or cry, right?! Seriously, though. Big thanks, sir. New subscriber out of me.

[@BennyJulius-mu7in]

Why do you have to start as a? You sound cringe

[@GenerationNextNextNext]

There's another good KZbinr who dissects LDS named Alyssa Grenfell. As a former JW, I really relate to her, and so many others do, too. Great channel on similar topics, but she's more on the atheist spectrum, so if you are still interested in religion, watch with awareness.

[@franciec5483]

I also recommend checking out Jordan and McKay (ex Mormons) and Fundie Friday!

[@KR811]

Grew into? White Christians have always been violent nationalists in the past. You being a “good” white evangelical is meaningless

[@ceres090]

My Dad wasn't a Christian, but he often volunteered at the mostly white church my mom attended. One day, someone told him that the whole family should be more involved with the service (I think as a ploy to get him to come to regular services). My Dad said "sure!" And choreographed an entire dance routine to this end credit song. It even had a fake out ending where we pretended to return to our seats, just to rush back and do the rest of the song. I've never seen so many confused Christians in one room. NGL, just hearing it made me drop what I was doing and almost do the dance routine. I didn't even realize I could still do it.

[@seancarey7095]

Bro thanks for making this. I too am a Christian. I didn’t come to faith until I was In my 30s. Since then (2017) following Christ has become the most important thing in my life. That being said, I also feel like I’m losing my mind half the time with the American church. So many of the aspects of the modern church, have almost no connection to the way of Jesus. Large swaths of the church sound anti-Christ in their words and priorities. I’m like man I know I am late to the party, but either the evangelicals have lost their minds or I have. It can be very discouraging. Great to see that I’m not the only one who feels this way.

[@Mavuika_Gyaru]

Evangelicals definitely lost their mind 😂 most haven't read the bible so they don't know what Jesus taught

[@t700e]

I feel the same way. Stay encouraged, though. There are many Christians who are aware of this…

[@francisnopantses1108]

Like he said, American nationalism. Actually must would call it white nationalism. That's the real affiliation of the American evangelical movement today. Look up Dispensationalism. They haven't given a damn about the book of Matthew in 100 years.

[@VanAlexi]

Eddie Long would come to the hotel I worked at in Downtown Atlanta at least every 3 months with young men. Bro was not even trying to hide it.

[@papi_sativa]

Lol worrrd????

[@KayDSavage-dy6of]

in Atlanta I'm sure he didn't have to lol

[@amberjay82]

and TD Fakes was his mentor "father" in the GOSPEL...go figure

[@NyanyiC]

its sad that churches in Africa are like this as well

[@Belial289]

i don't believe in any higher powers because i simply have no need to. i don't respect chrstianity because it's become nothing but a collection of symbols of hate towards me and all the people i hold dear. i also feel that there isn't nearly enough empathy for people like me who grew up in a conservative (and black in my case) christian household, and all i ever got for trying to be understanding of the religion was trauma and abuse. the church was always meaningless and boring from the start because i was never taught that the church was any safe place for me, all i ever saw my parents do was go there to wish for things they could gain by simply being better people. the best i can think of the religion and the church is that it's interesting art and fantasy to take inspiration from, as you can probably tell by my name. unfortunately, i feel like the entire institution is rotten from the inside out, but i will still give credit where i see real good being done by it, rare as that may be.

[@owenamenta1]

Reactionary lifestyle

[@papi_sativa]

You cooked with this one 🫡

[@ziontea7045]

I don't blame em​@@owenamenta1

[@MISSMADISONMEDIA]

@@owenamenta1 But refusing to listen to the radio because it’s the devil isn’t reactionary😂 Ok

[@iOsasu14]

​@@MISSMADISONMEDIA 😂😂😂

[@Brockali1]

33:33 "...it's one thing to cheat, hell it's expected to some degree...I mean ya know the jezebels in the soprano section and all that." You definitely grew up Apostolic.💀😂

[@yolandawestbrook8240]

I was told that the Smurfs were demons and we could no longer watch it.

[@alasdairbell4354]

Lemme know if I'm way off here but it seems outside lookin in that modern christianity us just Paradise Lost, Inferno and the Last Stand by Sabaton. I do not hear much reference to actual scripture other than to boost tye absolute fkn sprint back towards "Devil is red scary dude behind everything I hate and you should hate it too"

[@lilbilliam]

pretty accurate tbh

[@stereokuuji]

Bingo

[@dolphinitely_bro3944]

I blame mike todd, td jakes, jamal bryant, and many of those types of “pastors”

[@browniebun]

How about the congregation? They repeatedly choose to support these preachers. I understand people want to belong to something but at what cost?

[@dolphinitely_bro3944]

@ agreed, people want their ears tickled rather than offering a true sacrifice unto the Lord

[@jasminepitts7094]

@@browniebunYep!!!!!

[@_notlexluthor]

They lost me when I was SA’d by an eighteen year old in the youth group and when I told The pastor what happened he said “all men have needs.” I was thirteen at the time.

[@teeayteeayetc]

I loved this movie. I think one of the big reasons I left church was because there was no way out. You give your life to the church? Well once you’re old and have dementia they shut you out! Move to a different type of church (Pentecostal to baptist) all of a sudden you’re in a big tv church trying to compete with another tv church up the street! And ya know I’m too many identities for Christianity to like me, but it’s so hard to think back on the holiest people in the church who raised you and they were/are the most hateful fuxking people! Just mean! “You’re too dark” “your nose is too big” “why is your hair so nappy?” “Why don’t you come to church no more?” “Why are you dressed like a slut” Lol I ofc can always go on and this is why I keep to myself at this point

[@faithcook6462]

Man that credit song! Kirk Franklin and Fred Hammond were my favorites growing up in the 90’s-00’s. The crispiness of the bass on that song! I’m not religious anymore, but I grew up as the daughter of a ministers/youth leader and deacon. Now I’m about to bump a Fred Hammond essentials playlist!

[@eznosnopes5276]

The music from that era was insane.

[@africaart]

if you do anything for money and fame, you have lost your soul

[@chromebabi]

my mom is genx and I remember us trying out diff churches for years and then we just stopped when I was around maybe 10 becuase she didnt fuck with any of them fr and she grew up going to our pawpaw's church which only had old people from what I remember. My mom would always say it used to have more people back in the day lol

[@andreabrown4541]

I was raised in an historical black Catholic parish, not the traditional black church, so I kinda feel left out. For what it's worth, Rev. Cone was instrumental in black Catholics creating a black liturgy.

[@edMagnus1]

Same. I grew up in an historical black Episcopal parish and we didn't see the sort of issues that others within the traditional black church had to encounter. We certainly had our issues. Classism/Elitism was big but it was mostly directed towards those outside the parish walls rather than those inside. The good majority of our parish was uniformly well-to-do which may have accounted for that. So much so, I remember a parishioner remarking that the prosperity gospel was a crude low class theology that didn't have any relevancy within our parish. We were liturgical anyway so there was no possibility of that type of teaching being introduced anyway. Our biggest issue has been our inability to attract younger parishioners. High Anglican/Episcopal liturgy is just not the flavor of the day and the old heads refuse to low church our worship. Its what attracts them to the parish in the first place. However, membership is dwindling as the older parishioners are dying out so there will be some sort of reckoning I predict very soon.

[@andreabrown4541]

@@edMagnus1 black Episcopalians had their own civil rights organization within that denomination during the CRM. We finally got a black priest in 1970. He had converted from the Episcopalian church to the Catholic church before being ordained. At least he led us to believe this. Were your parents/grandparents part of that movement? Perhaps black Catholics should have taken some pointers from our Episcopalian brothers and sisters. Pretty sure Episcopalians participated in the CRM before most white Catholics. However, white Episcopalians weren't targeted by Nixon's Northern Strategy like white Catholics were. And laissez-faire, white Christian nationalist William Buckley who was the father of modern conservatism was Catholic. I have to give you props for not telling black Catholics we were going to hell because we weren't Protestant in the 1980s and 1990s given how many black Catholics were part of the CRM. My mother wasn't among the "closeted" black Catholics. She was part of the Black Catholic Movement and worked as an administrator at the same HBCU where Dr. Cone taught.

[@diaprojectdiss2142]

Me, too, a parish deep in the hood. Glad I was spared the drama from the preachers and their tribal formations. I could handle the priests, but those pastors were pimps.

[@francisnopantses1108]

I didn't even know there were black Catholics left. It's felt like the American college of cardinals has been doing their darndest to push Black clergy out. When I first visited NoLa I encountered a lot of Baptist churches with oddly Catholic names.

[@andreabrown4541]

@@francisnopantses1108 the Church absolutely could have redeemed itself somewhat during the CRM. Thomas Merton was the other theological influence of my childhood.

[@JawnLouis]

They outfit at 18:16 is sick 😂😂😂😂

[@vanzv3671]

Absolutely fucking nuts 😂 😆☠️

[@DoodOverThere]

Put this on your thanksgiving playlist

[@goldfro]

Love more discussion on this film. I was kinda expecting something different when I saw it and feel like maybe it didn’t hit for me because I’m not immersed in the same tradition. I personally got mixed to negative feelings on the church experience and its relationship to blackness, so appreciate your thoughts on religion to challenge me 🙏🏾

[@TioKeats]

I’m a drummer and I grew up in Nashville because my dad is in the music business mostly Christian music and no one has produced both the quality and quantity of musicians in America like the black church. Growing up playing gospel in a live church environment has created the best and most well rounded professional musicians especially drummers but vocalists and keyboard/piano players as well though.

[@amateuroverlord8007]

Love the touch of wearing the Stone Cold Steve Austin shirt for this video.

[@nailedyou]

This man said “but I’m going to hell for Pokémon cards?! Really Ninja??? 😂😂😂. Loved this video

[@tacrewgirl]

Getting your wife to say that is hilarious at the beginning. I was laughing so hard. Get job on getting sponsorships. This video was great. I enjoy your mixture of seriousness, sarcasm, and humor. I liked the short film Honk for Jesus more than the full length film because it conveyed more with less (if that makes sense).

[@tinoesroho]

the way i STOOD UP from my chair when you mentioned branham -- and his wack-ass grand imperial wizard mentor Roy E Davis -- the very walls of my home rattled

[@janevasquez1061]

Female gospel singers really held it down for gays forever god bless. (Sorry only had to do with a lil section of the vid)

[@brodpitts6726]

As an apostolic Pk, who has distanced himself from the church (hold for when they pay me to play…) I knew you were one of us! 😂😂😂 holiness, Pentecostal, Apostolic babies carry a certain zeal for study and a disdain and frustration of holy-rolling upbringing.

[@kimallnaturelle]

Yup

[@georgethemonkeydrummer5598]

That’s fascinating. I find it often to be the exact opposite in Hispanic churches of all 3 movements. They’ll dance but the second you ask them any theological question outside of basics, they’ll crumble.

[@brodpitts6726]

@@georgethemonkeydrummer5598 not quite my experience. We drilled 2 Timothy 2:15 growing up. Knowing the word and being able to be tested even amongst other members was real. Now, I’ll be honest to say that the approach we learned to “study” was lopsided AF but we studied.

[@coolocelot]

You have introduced me to the word pewbaby. My mom went into labor with me coming up the steps of Body of Christ COGIC Church for Wednesday night bible study so I guess I too am a pewbaby

[@God4FT3R]

Lmaooooo yooo get Bill more sponsor reads 😂😂😂

[@elsamarks8477]

Your church videos help me a lot. I’m a Christian anarchist, and there isn’t a lot of cool guys like out here who’s theology informs the cool shit they say. So anyway thanks Lil Bill!

[@lilbilliam]

I try

[@goldmask4615]

Joined the patreon recently but man I'm so glad you dropped this one, especially with the recent passing of Gustavo Gutierrez

[@SpectrumPulse]

Phenomenal companion piece video to Ka's final album 'The Thief Next To Jesus' (probably one of the best albums of 2024 in its exploration of the Black church). Incredibly interesting and poignant.

[@patrickstromann3836]

Still not loving religion. Also, if you grow up as a Black person in a EU country chances are you don't care about religion so much in general.

[@jakitomavinga]

That statement is just not true most black people that live in the eu care about religion your just spewing bs

[@Greystorm1619]

Amazing video: historical context, analysis, jokes... it's all there 👏🏾

[@cutiepeel]

I'm 2:15 in and I'm seeing AI Jesus with hands for feet, I think I'm actually gonna sit this one out

[@CrustaceousB]

Bill Maher is an embarrassing old man. Saw him transparently hitting on hawk Tuah girl when he brought her on his show. She handled herself surprisingly well, calling him a grandpa to his face 😂

[@sthom146]

Would he even be Bill Maher is he didn’t at least try to get a little hawk Tuan action? Glad she put him in his place.

[@francisnopantses1108]

Maher has reached levels of cringe heretofor thought impossible. Just watch "Religulous" for an insight into how both stupid and arrogant this man really is.

[@francisnopantses1108]

​@@sthom146 And cheat on his one true love Ann Coulter? Well I never.

[@johncoursey2582]

I'm a white atheist in recovery from many years of being a dumbass on the internet so if I'm missing the point here please let me know. I come here to learn. What I think you're kind of getting at in the last few minutes actually hit pretty hard for me. Obviously I have no experience of consequence with black church(or white church frankly), but I have watched other institutions have their fangs removed by capitalism. I've watched people complain about it. I COMPLETELY understand feeling helpless in the face of capitalism and its forces. At the same time, many of the people I see lament the deradicalization of these organizations are the same people NOT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT. Unions might be the example I see most. Complaining that they don't work like they should or they aren't radical enough. IT'S AN ORGANIZATION THAT REQUIRES PARTICIPATION, DUMMY. Anyway I loved this video and the subject has always interested me as someone basically looking in from outside.

[@BasedKungFu]

Ignorance is bliss. Easier to point fingers elsewhere.

[@Claptain_Planet]

The mindset of "capitalism bad" will get you nowhere in life

[@johncoursey2582]

@@Claptain_Planet I own a house, have a good career and beautiful family. I guess I got nowhere though.

[@BasedKungFu]

@Claptain_Planet "capitalism good" is only exacerbating wealth inequality and a fascist government.

[@SpeedBoostGamer]

@@Claptain_Planetwell it’s not lol…that’s why the world messed up

[@KAMROC]

My old pastor came into my place of work and told me “I better get my ass back in the church” I laughed and knew that day imma take a step back

[@monk1997]

1:54 nah bruh 😭😭😭 nah there's a special place in hell for you using your old lady for capitalism. Where do i sign up for the discount tho? 👀💀💀

[@ItzGOOD95]

😂😂😂 on dawgs

[@Mathue360]

I'm actually doing my dissertation on this very subject, super fascinating to see someone else tackle it from sociological perspective

[@kevinmoses4201]

When I was a teen, my church in South Florida took a bunch of us kids up to Eddie Long's church for a like week long camp thing. It culminated in a whole program called "The Boyfriend/Girlfriend Thang" where we were all shamed into committing to abstinence until marriage and a TON of kids felt pressured to "get saved" by the end.

[@sthom146]

I remember boyfriend/girlfriend thang….Derron Cloud produced it.

[@scottbuck1572]

Bill looking uncomfortable in the screen while his wife closes out the sponsor spots made my whole week. Me too man

[@Gallus7631]

There shouldn’t even be a “black church” in the first place, I’ve held this opinion all my life since realizing Sunday school was absolute bullsht at a young age. Our ancestors never embraced or participated in such things.

[@KR811]

Thank White Christians for the divide

[@AfroRedMusic]

EXCELLENT as always man and ending with Fred after that last line had me ROLLIN 🤣

[@Bzzzo]

After growing up in white churches, watching a pastor’s birthday celebration at a black church was crazy. It almost seemed like worship

[@francisnopantses1108]

It's not spontaneous either. The first lady and the elders have to drum all of that up.

[@westxlcr]

53:21, akin to this point: when I lived in Portland, I volunteered with a club that introduced aviation to black and other children. The club met (and continues to meet,) in a church. The church lent a large room to the club for them to use anytime.

[@amberd8630]

James Cleveland was accused and I think also charged with the molestation of his foster son. He died before he received any repercussions.

[@lilbilliam]

yeah he did that sh!t according to ppl who know

[@Duatepra]

He was the gospel Diddy.

[@amberd8630]

@@Duatepra gross

[@blank5880]

@@Duatepra🤣🤣🤣

[@Duatepra]

@@blank5880 Its true..🤷🏿‍♂️

[@UhOhJacquinette]

21:27 FACTS! The church I went to had less than 100 in the congregation, and we still managed to put together a bunch of money to get a van to go down to megafest in Atlanta. That shit was crazy. I had never seen church turn into burning man in life n I was dumbfounded

[@sthom146]

Ha! Church turns into burning man 😂😂😂

[@semajsga]

0:41 prove it

[@cougar1234c]

Ayo!!

[@Unchaise]

Lls

[@Dee-7414]

I don't know why But for some strange reason I'm with you.

[@TheNarutodude1995]

AYOOOOOOOO????

[@aaron6816]

U on to something

[@tkh22]

I grew up AG and had no idea it was an offshoot of COGIC. Few minutes in and already learning, as usual. Keep it pushin, love your channel

[@Juwellz18]

Yep, Bishop Mason pleaded with his white brethren to stick together, but you know, segregation and racism won in the end 🫤.

[@coolocelot]

When this was titled something about the most overlooked black movie I added it to my watch later, when I saw how the black church lost its soul I clicked immediately. So i guess good marketing choice 😂

[@MidnightIam]

The reason we criticise the church above other institutions is because we expect better from it.

[@youngjerewes8913]

So great to see Lashun pace get recognized

[@JDrocks4ever]

Although I’m an apostate, Christianity and the black church will always be a part of my identity. I still appreciate videos like this and religious videos in general bc it plays such a huge part in people’s lives both directly and tacitly to extents that many people may be unaware of

[@vontep]

19:26 😂😂😂 WTF?!?!? Where does moe find these clips?! I just fell out my chair 😂😂😂

[@ChrissieThefirst]

Zimbabwean here🤚🏾 and i must say cousins it's more of the same in Africa, the prosperity gospel the church hiding it's dirty linen...with the poverty here bro we are choking under these churches, i am still a believer but the institution is embarassing at this point...the christians hu left the church after seeing the nonsense & claimed they would read & pray @ home are also guilty...the folks hu stayed & cont'd on as if it wasn't happening are half of the problem

[@Kwameking1]

Can someone please tell me what value the black Church has brought to the Community in the last 40 years?Man this Video is profound

[@marcodyjohnson6301]

My boy, this is some of your best work

[@JasonTodd-TRH]

They lost me when I used to see all the Pastors in big flashy cars and the building fund or Pastor appreciation Sunday and sometimes when we went home my mom donated to the church we wouldn't even have food we'd have to stop at McDonald's and share meals but I got to look at the pastor Drive in a BMW or Mercedes in other members would talk about how nice the pastor looks and how he never wears the same suit but they were talking about mother sew and sew needs help and sister needs help with her kids and all these other people need help and people will just donate and make fun of them in church it disgusted me to no end