The Black Metal Band That Lied About Everything

[@AsbestosLynn]

Are you telling me that the real Velvet Cacoon was the friends we made along the way??

[@seanflawless6807]

😂😂

[@TheTundraTerror]

>started as a joke and suddenly got out of hand Oh boy, doesn't that feel like the story of my life.

[@wiltfield]

I love videos like this way more than regular album reviews and stuff like that, and I hope you're enjoying making them, because I'd love to see more

[@mimic4844]

I think that Josh is the biggest troll in the Black Metal history and he´s probably laughing his ass of as he´s watching these youtuber trying to make sense of the ´band´s´ work.

[@bpc1442]

He's too busy making perfumes.

[@FalseNi9e]

​@@bpc1442😂

[@redfogwhitefrost2583]

​@@bpc1442wrote a song that was heavily inspired by VC. One of the lines went "glimmering perfumes hold this snowfog bound coppice in a soporific reverie". So it's wild to me that he is now making perfumes.

[@jimtroeltsch5998]

I don't know anything about Black Metal, but I immediately assumed this was just all a joke/troll to go along with this Josh guy's album.

[@sunshinewardrecordings]

VC was a fake “ecoterrorist” joke that Josh did to troll the FMP message board. That’s literally the whole story. Everything about it was meant to troll, including the back story, the stolen music, etc. The reference to Nargaroth was on purpose, because Nargaroth also faked their entire back story, but wasn’t doing it to troll. But yeah, VC, everything from the misspelled name to the ecoterror ethos, was a joke.

[@alexanderleuchte5132]

Hardline Straight Edge Black Metal

[@gianlucamai]

Hei,whats FMP? Cheers

[@GabAssbreaker]

​​@@gianlucamai Full Moon Productions, a notorious black metal record label from the early 2000, the FMP Forums where like 4chan but for metalheads, you can search the forums on the Wayback Machine i belive

[@MrHellbringer213]

@@gianlucamai Fullmoon Productions.

[@RetepElpmet]

Velvet Cacoon got me into listening to more dark ambient music. However, what I find interesting is the use of the word 'Cacoon'. If you look up information about cacoon plants, the name of the band starts to make a hell of a lot more sense.

[@GhiIIie]

Man I just like the music. Apple Music recommended Velvet Cacoon as I was getting into more ambient music and I fell in love with the sound. All of this is just noise, just enjoy the music if you like it. Shit is perfect late in a mushroom trip when you’re too fried to do anything but your brain is too active for sleep. Also, please give me more recommendations similar to Velvet Cacoon, specifically the soft persistent blast beats of their “Northsuite” album. Clair Cassis’ self-titled album and some songs in Mantiel’s album “Vestiges Engraved in Frozen Mysticism History,” notably the songs “Anoited in Astral Luminescence” and “Labyrinths of Perpetual Bitterness” is all I got

[@wyattxhim]

Paysage D'Hiver is for you if you really dig Velvet Cacoon

[@Skartak]

Weakling - Dead As Dreams, more progressive rather than ambient.

[@timnottingham8521]

Love the lore stories so much! All around, this is such an underrated channel!

[@n7rux]

Waking up to Wyatt's new video, best way of starting the day

[@AsbestosLynn]

If you think a Velvet Cacoon release was made up, you just haven’t robotripped hard enough to find them within yourself Believe me, buddy They’re all real

[@VastChoirs]

Josh was a lonely guy who invented a series of fantasy female members to indulge in the very fantastical idea that sophisticated pretty young european women could possibly have any interest in obscure black metal back in the early 2000s (obviously this was an impossibility at that point). That was super weird and kinda makes me feel bad for the guy, creating literal imaginary female friends/lovers. And they all conformed to this very cringe sheltered wealthy posh euro white girl archetype. It's just so absurd that anyone from that background would have gotten into black metal during that era. His 2021 interview he STILL couldn't stop lying through his teeth. That said, I actually did enjoy P aa opal Poere Pr. 33. And their plagiarized material was actually very enjoyable too, so at least Josh had good taste in who to plagiarize.

[@GiNgertheman]

the greek black metal scene had quite a few females involved actually. Astarte was a female-only band and they were founded in the mid 90s

[@VastChoirs]

@GiNgertheman oh definitely there were women in the black metal scene. But posh european white women who were into high fashion, art galleries, yacht cruises, french 19th century poetry, and gothic aesthetic? Nope... none of those kinds. He basically dreamed up his ideal waifu and inserted several variations of her into different real and fake musical projects. The interview with Pumkiva (fake) from 2003 was peak fanfiction. I can't discern if it's pathetic or hilarious; I'm leaning more toward hilarious and I think the whole thing was a tongue in cheek joke to accompany some authentically god music largely just as an early internet social experiment/troll. The dude had been around on the net in the late 90s trolling various forums and google groups, the made up lore, werewolves of venice, pumvika, and waifus were just modernized 2000s extensions of the trolling.

[@GiNgertheman]

@@VastChoirs if the music with trash Id probably think this is pathetic but with music that good might as well respect it lol

[@Arc-jf8cb]

The diesel harp is REAL! The infamous diesel harp, spearheaded by Velvet Cacoon front man Josh Lobb AKA SGL, is indeed real. I met up with him at his 851 Driftwood Ave. home to buy it off of him as he was tight on space and no longer had use for it. All was going well until he insisted rather aggressively that I have a seat and enjoy a cup of coffee with him. Much to my dismay I obliged, and what proceeded was truly a look into the madness of this unhinged artist. First, he went ON and ON about the "Corn Wars," detailing the gruesome events of what I can otherwise only explain as a total schizophrenic delusion. Corn was part of the "Holy Trinity" including the number 3 and some sort of "Holy Bean." He handed me a book of nonsensical "scriptures" warning of the Birch Devil. At this point, I had to forcefully make my exit, with Josh screaming at me to come back and listen to "the truth." I ultimately was out $2000 and the mythical diesel harp, but God as my witness, it is, in fact, real. Or maybe it wasn't. Maybe the whole thing was an elaborate scam. Damn it.

[@epiphaneiaphosphorus4607]

Josh is now running his own Business of perfumes called Slumberhouse. Look it up, I have tried a few of his creations. Very similar to VC in their spirit.

[@AtrocityEquine01]

I actually did buy _Genevieve_ on CD simply because despite all the lies and fiction of VC, I absolutely adore the album. There is something so atmospheric and elegant of that album, both with and without their fake back story.

[@aytugerkan5428]

Black metal was very mystical during 90s early 00s, honestly to say not like today. it had so much shivering, coldness in it and of course believed those kind of weird hoax

[@xmikenecrofentx]

Given they’re from PDX we might have guessed the entire project was wrapped in irony, satire, and parody. Bunch of hipsters down there man.

[@comicKkrakK]

I remember I was on the southern lord message board often around the time that they re-issued Genevieve. People were so angry at them over the diesel guitar thing it was hilarious. I always took them as a band that were absolutely trolling the TRVE CVLT Black Metal mafia and it was delightful

[@murray9807]

Sounds like the Black Metal equivalent of Spinal Tap

[@Hecatecrossways]

Velvet Cacoon not only have a Yacht Rock band name, but seem to have a fondness for Yacht Rock looking album covers as well.

[@sixfitdip]

I really admire his creativity with the names of projects/songs etc

[@miksustaahl2568]

Anyone can say what they want about Velvet Cocoon but you gotta respect the commitment to the bit.

[@jakerobert3118]

What’s that record you have displayed, with the colorful whimsical cover?

[@wyattxhim]

My friend’s band from Germany Markgraf - Hohenbaden

[@ChaseDaOrk3767]

Happy New Year's man!!

[@DM-gw8zx]

Bring out the Robitussin!

[@dsbm87]

I have a couple albums on my channel. Love this band... They messaged me and promised new music was coming. It's almost been 4yrs and I'm still waiting!!!😂

[@WFly101]

He trolled you 💀

[@tmamone83]

I thought about starting a music project with a bunch of fictional lore behind it, but I'm not a good storyteller, so there goes that plan.

[@DarrynGrills]

Wow that was... a story!! I'll have to check them out. But yeah no matter how fake it was, it is why people talk about them. Great video as usual Wyatt!

[@k-chill8428]

Good times. I was on FMP666 forum when they/he was around and trolling everyone. Their own albums were great but so was the stuff they plagiarised - I even ended up contacting Korouva, whose album Shipwrecks & Russian Roulette VC stole for one of their demos, just to buy it directly from her. iirc she knew Josh personally but wasn't in on the fake demo thing.

[@SYNTHERROR404]

this kind of an act is what gives us all a real good laugh and it CAN really be that easy to be a one entity band, i should know.

[@corpoofficial4514]

One of my faves and the one band to out-Burzum Burzum with Genevieve. Also: You should have displayed the test pressing just to confuse everyone

[@helgamitejones]

Regardless of the mythos surrounding VC, Genevieve and Northsuite are musically undeniably brilliant .

[@benng4376]

Genevieve is an unsung gem.

[@Malaneth]

I have a suggestion/request, do you think you could make a video on your favourite jazz bands (or some iceberg, guide or whatever)? I don't know if you do listen to jazz, but since you like all kinds of weird shit, I figured it was worth the comment.

[@wyattxhim]

@@Malaneth I’d love to but jazz is a genre I know near nothing about sadly so if there’s anything you’d recommend I’ll listen

[@happysunshinemedia7092]

I actually love this story- theres a lot more mystery around a person that would even do something like this compared to some guy that worships satan in finland. Its a gimmick, but arent most black metal bands? Only difference is this seems to be satire as well at others expense. I dunno, this kinda "lore" is more interesting to me than a dude that killed someone.

[@AsbestosLynn]

I 100% think the hoaxes, plagiarism and all the “lore” make this band super cool, same with Silencer and all of their rumors Things are usually a lot more enjoyable if people buy into the kayfabe and just have a little fun.

[@happysunshinemedia7092]

@@AsbestosLynn it creates an almost interactive experience with the audience. its a bit paradoxical that faking a "lore" can be a lore itself. So many bands are predictable, this on the other hand is far from predictable haha

[@markus6167]

Wrong. A Satan worshipping Finn is always better & more mysterious than a regular degular troll. In short, 1 is real, the other fake. Also no, most BM bands don't rely on gimmicks. Seems you don't really listen 2 BM?

[@freddymaite]

Love these small doco type videos! Never heard of this band before but I'm a black metal newbie! Cheers mate.

[@Malegys]

btw, where did you get that PORTAL shirt? i need one like that.

[@Jerry-nn9rl]

96 and 97 was magic all around. Death, Crust, Street, EVERYTHING!

[@westernwarden8758]

Couldnt stop laughing at the "live show" story 🤣

[@evlbstrd1060]

record shop i used to love went out of business in 2021. i bought their entire black metal collection for dirt cheap. Genevieve was among the records i got

[@GabAssbreaker]

Velvet Cacoon!!! Haven't heard that name in years. Such a wild story, i remember all the post on the old NWN! Forum about the hoax. This bring me back to 2010/11 so bad lol.

[@thoughtlessent]

Back in the day there were underground warehouse shows

[@Svvithred]

I still have Genevieve and Northsuite on CD, but once I found out at the time he was plagiarising other people's work, I just lost interest, but the sound is good! I remember hearing that they could have been linked to a band called Procer Veneficus who are pretty good.

[@infernusrex796]

You didn't even mention a TON of that music in his releases belonged to other artists/bands!

[@wyattxhim]

@@infernusrex796 I kinda glossed over that because the video by Dante Dagger already discussed those portions .

[@encrustingacro]

What's your opinion on OSDM revival?

[@redfogwhitefrost2583]

Been aware of how much of a meme band they were for years now. Regardless they are still one of my favorite projects when it comes to their original work. Genevieve was a masterpiece.

[@kothrising4762]

The Best descriptiom for VC is "the Pete Rose of Black metal"

[@otakuholly8885]

he was impressed that people actually cared someone lied alot

[@AlienBigCat23]

Seeing as you mention 'grim', are you familiar with Grim? Some of the very best Japanoise that's really different to all the others. I started with Factory Ritual, a classic. Check em out. Really funny, too. I call him Grim Humour.

[@spencergrady736]

yeah, Grim is a very interesting project - and it's not all just noise

[@luciofidelis4620]

Happy new year!

[@katherine9447]

Velvet Cacoon. Haha. I remember arguing with people about them being a hoax back in high school. I had no proof but I felt validated when they would later try to pass of Korouva's album as their own. Had no idea they continued to release music after that.

[@Evan-900]

Yeah, I was around for the entirety of this crazy saga. Genevieve is actually a genuinely great album. I owned the original first release of Genevieve on CD and I have the Southern Lord vinyl as well. As much as the story and all the stuff they did is just bullshit that is a solid album, even if the the last track is a plagerized version of Mathias Grassow - Soham.

[@popupproductions]

SLAY

[@n7rux]

💀

[@l.i.v.v4835]

I thought you were about to talk about Nargaroth 😂

[@Glitterboy21]

Honey wake up new close to half an hour wyattxhim video just dropped

[@TwoGunToast]

I know you don't usually respond to comments, but I was wondering if you had a P.O. Box for fan mail or anything?

[@danielcamiloromeromontano4856]

what a way to begin this year what a great band

[@smd1876]

Thanks for reminding me of this band.

[@TonehengeProductions]

I have heard of them before and that they were a joke band, but nobody ever broke it down like this to me before. It sounds like I should actually check out the music!

[@TheHaughtyOsprey]

If something or someone is from Portland it automatically makes it suspect.

[@NewportBox100s]

I love me some DXM so I know I will love these albums.

[@SimonB.]

Sounds like a dischord edglord mod story.

[@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it]

typical modern age black metal posers. just make music. there are so many OLD black metal artists making amazing musiuc WITHOUT ANY GIMMICKS or fake stories. darkthrone, immortal, abbath, batushka (the right one with panihida album), taake, satyricon, ulver, mgla.....

[@wyattxhim]

They all used gimmicks or controversy in some kind of a way though . Really only difference is they didn’t lie about backstories.

[@tojorozombie]

Saw the title and was expecting Bathory, lol…

[@LiferOfficialll]

Now I know you won’t refuseeee, cuz you’ve got nothing left to loseeeee

[@EncoreASMR]

Happy new year

[@DesolateSolitude]

I knew nothing about this act. That’s what great about your channel, you shed light on more obscure acts. Velvet Cacoon is a bizarre name. Then again I like Old Man’s Child… so… 🤣

[@zigotina]

yo what are your thoughts on new Mitochondrion (my AOTY)?

[@wyattxhim]

My album of the year list video will tell you

[@sinisterminister3322]

Yes, performance art is what Velvet Cocoon was all about. That’s cool!

[@Inhumanform1]

Ain't no way this is the slumber house perfumer

[@odst178]

Makes sense tho. Now trolling slumberhouse fans with his limited 5 bottle restocks

[@hhdhpublic]

As far as I can tell the joke that began with dextronaut never stopped and Josh has had and might still be having helluva fun time making fun of the whole thing or Josh is pathological liar who cannot but constantly come up with wilder and wilder bullshit. Its just quite hard for me to think that someone would have told all that bullcrap with any other motivations than to fuck with people or that they simply cannot but lie as some people do. Guess he was also rather good musician aside from all the plagiarism which, if not the lies, is a huge stain on the project.

[@CalibreCross]

And I thought Ghost Bath pretending to be from China was a big controversy.

[@psywarltd.1984]

Diesel harp ist krieg!

[@SamuelBlackMetalRider]

GENEVIEVE is one of the best Atmospheric BM / Ambient DSBM albums of all times. Don’t care about the fuss and theatrics around the guy. Good for him, made his project bigger than it woulda been

[@weshugmeyer175]

Wow i live in oregon and have lived in portland twice never heard of them interesting

[@jeus2784]

pls do a moonblood video

[@hellionrebellionrocknrolla744]

I'm so happy you are talking about this band. I don't listen to alot of black metal but I love this band. Check out my Cape Of Bats video or Antaeus (which I would like your opinion on). Should I do a Tru Werwulf video? Great band band but Satanic Skinhead is something I can't sell or appreciate. Burzum!? No shit!? Velvet Cacoon learned from Varg but are better, smarter and tougher than Burzum. You need to trim those pussy ticklers up. Shit's going everywhere. VC is not unhinged. They're artistic. This sounds like Kyuss with different people taking pictures of them and them being different every time. I think VC is bedroom black metal. This is great metal though. Thank you! You understand pop.Kippis!

[@AndrewBrown-fq6vp]

Awesome shirt bro!

[@dhvmpyr]

VC dropped 2 new songs, (real) (very good)

[@OlinCaprison]

Despite the hoaxes or whatever Ive always loved this band

[@SlickGames2-gd5jw]

Portland Oregon represent

[@southpole76]

also Euronymus is still alive, sipping cocktails with Elvis and Bin Laden in Cuba.

[@Hecatecrossways]

That's BS. Euronymous is on a beach having a threesome with Adolf Hitler and Charles Manson. Trying to mend his broken heart because Varg broke up with him.

[@Hecatecrossways]

Velvet Cacoon is a gay band name, about as 'Extreme ' sounding as Lavender Bunny.

[@wyattxhim]

Not sure what that has to do with anything….

[@Hecatecrossways]

@wyattxhim Black Metal is all about image, and supposed to be evil, and scary. A velvet Cacoon does not remotely even represent anything Metal whatsoever. Unless someone is already familiar, most people would not know a frilly name , and pretty album artwork ( photos? ) is Kvlt as Fvck Black Metal. Not a good marketing choice for a Satanic Devil Worshipping Black Metal product. Black Metal is about darkness and evil, not artsy names for female sex organs.

[@captainhilarity1252]

To be fair Nargaroth wasn't the best band to use in comparison given their "history"

[@alexanderleuchte5132]

Venture > Velvet The Mighty Monarch's Cocoon rules!

[@Jerry-nn9rl]

I'm tired of all these albums that are one dide acting as a band. I takes away from it. Im 44. I buy records from bands not one dude acting like one. Thats g a y

[@OlinCaprison]

I knew this was gonna be about velvet cacoon hahaha

[@suoquainen]

Why would you call yourself "Velvet Cacoon" to begin with, if you want to be taken seriously?

[@wyattxhim]

I feel like there are a lot of bands that have ridiculously names that want to be taken seriously. Examples like Goatpenis come to mind .

[@suoquainen]

@@wyattxhim It's really hillarious sometimes. :) I mean okay, if i would want to be the Nanowar of Black Metal, then i would go with Fart Funeral. :)

[@HardMod71]

Ha ha, looks like a great fucking band! Have to check them out. Making up stories of everything... great fun.

[@davesparrow1372]

VELVET CACOON ?!?!?! HAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHA WHAAAT ???? Is that some kind of promotional video for some kind of joke project ? VELVET CACOON hahahahah

[@riffcrypt8438]

I for one enjoy black metal bands with kayfabe

[@MoonlightRitual]

I actually bought a VC hoodie off FMP close to 20 years ago, I quite liked them. This band was an enigma, so many wild interviews and stories, then gradually the mystique fell away and we ended up with the truth. I remember reading about them playing in a small venue with cobblestone floors and crimson curtains, while they played with their backs to the audience. I own a copy of Northsuite on vinyl still. I still enjoy it.

[@Uberrimafides515]

Albums made by Veterans please

[@CanaanW]

bro get to the point, i watched this at x1.5 speed and it was still too long winded

[@wyattxhim]

Not my problem that you have a short attention span.

[@recordfiend]

So... does he get that the band is being absurd and is just having a laugh?? Taking Black Metal (or any art really) is pretty naive. It's all part of the fun.

[@wyattxhim]

Did you watch the part where I said it was performance art they used to their advantage?

[@johnnunya-bissness2406]

This should be fun

[@spencergrady736]

Endless Dismal Moan soon!!!

[@ابراهيم_محمد_الازهر]

WHO GIVES A SICK????

[@noogie1]

Happy 2025 Wyatt. 🫡

[@deperditus]

Joke band just making fun of the genre as hard as they can. What do you expect? Them putting labels saying this is satire and a joke infront of everything so all the room temperature IQ crayon connoisseurs can also get that its a joke. You need handicap ramp to get the joke?

[@wyattxhim]

@@deperditus I guess me laughing through the video and saying they sound like a creepypasta went over your head.

[@deperditus]

@wyattxhim idk man pretty much just listened to the video on the background. Also you looked like plebbitor, so kinda just went with the stereotype of them demanding sarcasm to be put on "qoutes" or all caps.

[@wyattxhim]

⁠@@deperditusidk man guess you just don’t pay attention either. Said they were a joke band on the first album. Said at the end they used the stories to their advantage to get attention. Calling me a “plebbitor” ? What are you 12 ?

[@deperditus]

@@wyattxhim ye 12 at heart forever stuck in 2008 a fossil from the good old days.

[@DrSoWhat]

maybe I'm missing something but... why all this is "filthy lies" instead of funny jokes for a couple of friends?

[@wyattxhim]

Well for his friends these are clearly jokes. Even the first album is obviously. I guess for the fans who admire the music they feel cheated by VC cause honesty is something to admire. Regardless I think VC makes great music.