The BlackWashing Issue

[@CerosTelevision]

im just straight up angry because the engagement is just getting people paid I have a patreon www.patreon.com/c/CerosTV

[@Roxkis]

All it is. Half the people you argue with are likely bots.

[@wileymoore3914]

I agree with a majority of what you said however. Rap is a subculture of African American culture. And You said everyone can rap, however and about whatever they want, this true, but the real question is, should they? Just like everyone can draw, whatever they want and however they want. What’s most hypocritical about this whole thing is the fact that the people upset most, are claiming “making black edits are culturally appropriating, disrespecting, and racist towards Japanese people”. So couldn’t the same argument be had against the rest of the world, taking rap music, rock, country, and hip hop as a whole, and profiting off of it? Would that not also be “cultural appropriation” by their standards?

[@CerosTelevision]

@ you watch the whole video?

[@Roxkis]

@@CerosTelevision I was speaking in general, not you personally. I'm bad at communication.

[@wileymoore3914]

@@CerosTelevision I actually did watch the whole video. And I don’t hate white people, I’m just not going to sit back and be “hit on either cheek” especially when I’m not the one responsible for all this nonsense in the first place. If the Japanese as a whole have a right to not want their culture to be appropriated, then why should I sit back while mines is monopolized?

[@notoriousyolkhound4600]

The whole thing goofy as hell but why yo camera so damn crooked 😭I cannot watch the video now I gotta listen to it

[@CerosTelevision]

I DID THAT ON PURPOSE TO MESS WITH YOUR EYES

[@Sm0othi3]

​@@CerosTelevision yo just keep it crooked its got swag

[@viraleyes2865]

​@@CerosTelevision😂😂😂

[@tystill]

@@CerosTelevision Personally I loved it

[@hampter64]

​@@CerosTelevision I dont mind the tilt but man zoom the camera in more like the videos before it😭

[@LilithSleeps]

This dude always speaks the opinions I didn't know I had yet

[@UnorganizedWaffle]

I like this dude but if thats true you're a sheep. Go and form an opinion of your own.

[@3dsmaster537]

What a good way to put it

[@kariimora]

i dont like to think some people post for retaliation; look at the Brazilian Miku controversy for example, people crying all over twitter cause she wasnt brown enough, but fail to realize Brazilians are of all shades there is no color to a country. my opinion is, people should be able to just make art without people bringing social politics into it and poisoning everything they interact with. art is good no matter if its race swapped, gender swapped, size swapped, etc. make anything gatekeeping art is mega cringe

[@X3nophiliac]

tru the politicization is crazy cringe tho....the twitter revenue you get from making rage bait might explain why so many people are feeding into this fight 👀

[@CerosTelevision]

facts

[@aexxir]

br*zil 🤮🤮

[@thelingeringartist]

Art itself is political though but I understand what you’re trying to say. People shouldn’t interact with art that upsets them like that. Just move on and avoid it if it’s so dire. And if it DOES produce negativity or something… then feel free to comment on it( in a constructive, non-malicious way!!)

[@Jet-ij9zc]

Not to mention that the original post that started the trend showed very clear tan lines

[@timberwolfbrother]

I think my personal problem with stuff like the Dadadan blackwashing isn't even the race-swapping, itself. Want to make a character black? Sure, whatever. It's the mixture of condescension and hypocrisy that for some reason follows the pictures. Like, a lot of the hatred over the original FAN ART of Nessa or Marina wasn't even that they were actually white-washed, but that they were made with the wrong shade. The hatred towards those artists came with death threats, and the defense of those threats was "It's just a joke." Bullying artists for shading choices, treating them like they're monsters for DARING to make fan art wrong. Then following that up with fan art that's ACTUALLY race-swapping characters to black. It's rarely just "I wanted to make them look like this just because." It's usually "I FIXED it.", "I made it CORRECT.", and "This character SHOULD be this way." Thinly-veiled defenses made out of false morality so that if it's criticized then they can say the critics are bigots, and so much controversy could be avoided by just saying "I like this character, so I made them look like me because I felt like it." I remember being at SDCC and coming across a fan art booth where this artist made Rarity from My Little Pony, the whitest marshmallow pony with a fake accent going "Dahling" and Pony Magnum P.I. as her father, into a black human woman. I asked about it out of curiosity, and the artist said Rarity was her favorite character so she made her black. No further explanations, no moralizing, no defense, just an artist making her own version of the character, existing in harmony and happy to talk about it without any judgment, anger, or defensiveness, just love for the character and for art. You don't really see the fanart or creations of things like Black Goku, Fro-ku, or Slick Goku blow up in this way because they're just made with love. No condescension, no hypocrisy, no hatred, just a love for Goku, and Dragon Ball, and the other fans because people all over the world just love Goku. Make a version of Goku that's a ginger in "retaliation" and somebody will probably respond by having Slick dab him up and call him "My Saiyan!" I don't even mind watching the world burn because I'll just bring marshmallows, I might even throw some loose sticks into it, but it doesn't stop me from thinking about how the fire started while I pull out chocolate and graham crackers.

[@ratboyraticus9896]

Yeah. I just discovered this guy a few days ago and like a lot of his videos, but this one left me extremely disappointed. I can't shake the feeling that Ceros is intentionally leaving a group of bad apples out of this video. The ones who go after artists who get the shading of characters wrong with harassment. Major disappointment all around.

[@LoopyDreamz775]

As someone who follows alot of black artist who engage in this type of art The “fixed thing” Isn’t common at all, If you don’t know any of these artist I don’t think it’s fair to generalize them in this manner. There are definitely artist out there who do do that but they are usually a small group in the art community, Usually very young and immature and usually face intense backlash from all sides for not only fixing the art but stealing other artist art only to then fix it. Most black artist I know Would just put out a pic and face the entire clan for no reason whatsoever. A good example of this is Thummin, a black artist who simply drew herself as a anime character and was faced with maximum backlash, harassed for months and I believe effected IRL? The froku stuff don’t get backlash because let’s be real, it’s made with comedic intent and is just stereotypes in one which would be popular with certain audiences. About the nessa artist being bullied. I think that’s horrible but to get clear the person who made the Dan Dan Dan art…faced the exact same thing… where is the double standards when both face a equal amount of backlash.

[@ratboyraticus9896]

@@LoopyDreamz775 Cero, making a video around the topic of blackwashing, brings up the intense backlash from one side, but doesn't talk about the intense backlash from the other. If that's not double standards, then the dictionary's been wrong for decades.

[@EyesDontCry]

​@@LoopyDreamz775 it may be a small group of people but every issue tends to stem from a small group of people, the controversy is always spurred on by how people respond to it. It's fairly rare to see black people black washing art and claiming they fixed it, I've seen it a couple times but it's not common. However I will also rarely hear disavowel from any black people over that art, it's often times justified by things like "blackwashing isn't real" I'm sure you know the usual black people can't be racist stuff. It turns into audiences fighting each other not just audiences fighting specific artists. Ultimately the generalisation is bad, this girl who drew dandadan didn't deserve to be attacked and it's mainly just people seeing a black wash and associating it with all that other stuff they've seen causing them to make assumptions and lash out, ofcourse followed by the obviously racist people who just want to call her the n word. This is a fairly common thing I feel like, there will be something bad that someone does (it's not just black people) and that will cause a stir. People will then fail to disavow that bad thing while acting like all hate against it is bigoted or from ignorance. This leads to a feedback loop where it may just be a few smaller incidents, but how people responded to those incidents is what keeps the conversation going. It's the clash between entire audiences who viewed the incident rather than the incident itself.

[@ExeErdna]

You're right since I was there when the "fixing" crowd popped off with Nessa and I can to correct A LOT OF PEOPLE on how watercolor style work and how "fixing" other people's work isn't helping. All it's gonna do is piss others off because you can't do this! You can't be defacing people's work then claiming you did better or for some faux justifed reason. People can see through that BS since they tell on themselves too much. Since it IS Blackwashing to take an Asian IP and make major characters black for VANITY reasons. Especially, the dopes trying to resell other people's work...

[@KentIII799]

As a white person, when you brought up the hypothetical scenario of me wanting a white Black Panther or a white Miles Morales, I honestly don’t really have any desire for a white version of a black superhero or character in media honestly. I’m not saying this to try to be like “HEY LOOK AT ME IM A WHITE GUY THAT APPRECIATES DIVERSITY IN MEDIA NOW CLAP”, I think it honestly just further proves your point that I, as a white man, have literally thousands of characters that I can relate to and feel represented by. I wonder if this could be extrapolated to the people who whitewash out of retaliation, i.e. the desire to whitewash a black character only arises in response to black people occupying more space in the media and the the perceived threat of losing territory. It’s all false equivalencies, there’s nothing equal about the circumstances surrounding instances of whitewashing and blackwashing. ALSO WAIT I NEVER KNEW MAC AND CHEESE WAS A BLACK INVENTION WHAT. I’m gonna do some research on this. Thanks for opening my eyes :)

[@kiatorrette5631]

_"There's nothing equal about the circumstances surrounding instances of whitewashing and blackwashing"_ THANK YOU for having some sense! These 2 things are never the same, but people wanna act so dense 😑 Whitewashing is a historical practice of erasure of black and brown people's relevance in history to uphold systemic bias that favors whiteness Black washing is literally just someone goin _"Hey I really like this anime character, and it'd be cool to reimagine them if they looked like me"_

[@heavenlysenju9948]

It wasn't, and neither was fried chicken. It's just one of those things heavily associated with black people because of our ties to the South. We may have had a hand in popularizing it, but that's a different thing and doesn't matter. Talking about the origins of things is honestly really stupid in general. Feels like trust fund babies bragging about how great they are because they own a house their daddy paid for. "My people invited forks, this proves I'm better than you" head ahh.

[@jacobnix9952]

90 percent of what white people like is not theirs, and more than 50 percent of that 90 is african american culture. If you delve into anything, youll find the origin.

[@BatAmerica]

The fact that Black Panther and Spider-Man are the only go to examples for that hypothetical is already disproving blackwashing being as common to whitewashing.

[@l0sts0ul89]

​@@BatAmerica because it's the most common, or famous examples, just look up black edit anime characters i bet you'll find plenty

[@eddycatboy]

I see this no different then when tumblr users bullied a minor for drawing rose quartz from SU skinny back in day (to the point where there was an attempted s*icide).

[@fongjasper8206]

Shit fr ? Damn i hope that lass is doing okay nowadays

[@gekirobo8720]

That fandom never really recovered from that, didn't they?

[@fongjasper8206]

@@gekirobo8720 shit if i recall, SU itself went coo coo for coco puffs along with it's fanbase

[@BladeBloodTear]

From memory after that fan almost took her life Rebecca Sugar made a statement and started to show more characters off model on purpose to kind of show that there is no perfect one to one. The fan base though started eating itself harder as some actually stated that her ending herself for the bad drawing was the least she can do and tried to find her to continue harassment calling her a faker or a quitter for not committing etc. The fan base never recovered until the very end. Then I'm sure those same hyper toxic fans found a new thing as they always do. I feel like those extreme fans are always the same people who jump franchises. If someone said those same toxic fans were now my hero academia fans I would believe them since they do the same thing.

[@grutsthefoodman3645]

​@@fongjasper8206SU stayed fine, the fandom stayed crazy

[@leoboy136]

If I could share my 2 cents as an Asian Technicality: you can see it in the difference between manga, manwah and manhua (Japanese korean and Chinese). It's ok in the beginning to do simple tracing/tone swap - but with long exposure to the culture I guess we want to see what you can do as artists. And unfortunately until now most tone swapped works (from both ends) are still stuck in this beginner phase - which unfortunately will give wrong impression about your genuineness. You can also compare works from south-east Asia with manga these days to see a differing approach. So I guess if 1 day someone provide a miriko fanart that is not heavily tracing, with your interpretation of black culture in a pleasant aesthetic i think we'll love to see more Culture: believe me when i say, we had no idea what coded was even until recently, and i genuinely believed most artists accidentally chose a lighter/darker tone to match their picture aesthetic. I guess a calmer and less combative approach would have smoothed the initial contact. Terms like fixed are really damaging, essentially to these people not sharing your culture you're making a public condemnation on something they had no idea And yes cooperate plays big part in this mess. The hyper push for simple edit in a short amount of time really tingle Asian artists sense of danger (of their work being pirated without their agreement -which is a BIG taboo at least in Japanese art community)

[@leoboy136]

If using coded as a language personally speaking I believe most Asians believe manga characters are Asian code full stop (because we drew it...)

[@Gordozinho]

​@@leoboy136that's not how "coding" works btw. It's more about the vibe the give off and the character's place in the story as well as their accent and other cultural customs they engage in. For example a lot people think Piccolo and Namekians look and act like Black people

[@Ledabot]

Somehow I read that as Pinocchio and was like , nah they're Italian

[@leoboy136]

@Gordozinho exactly my point. To you guys these terms are pretty much native. To many Asian cultures we have only heard of these terms in recent years For me the whole sonic cast is coded as annoying as I don't like the game

[@WaddleWhite-r8w]

Bro what's the menacing Dutch angle for

[@CerosTelevision]

EHEHEHEHEHEE

[@isaachopkins9280]

​@@CerosTelevisionlook bro, on a human level, IM HORNY TOO!!! But really I'm really happy for your success and to see you doing good. I only discovered your channel a few months ago but you also got solid content. Im happy for you man 🙂

[@CerosTelevision]

@@isaachopkins9280 WHAT LMFAO

[@gxngrene]

​@@isaachopkins9280WTH

[@FloatingAmongTheCosmos]

He's asserting dominance.

[@alterojonson5154]

Why bro got that R on his shirt, mans signedup for Team Rocket

[@louis7059]

I think it literally is a team rocket shirt

[@Londonlink]

That looks like the official Team Rocket Nintendo Merch from the Website to be honest

[@DANBAN119]

(This will be a long comment so if you don't feel like reading half an essay just ignore this post) I agree with everything you said, but I don't quite think you captured the whole reason of why this happened with the Dandadan black edit. So to establish some things you said that 1). in the west whitewashed art is usually used negatively in retaliation of blackwashed art. 2). Asian people see black people and black culture as a commodity and don't understand that it is born from struggle and negative experiences and emotions. 3). You've seen that when black people try explain their history and culture to someone who doesn't understand it, it’s usually done in a tone of annoyance and aggression, which generally people don't like in any situation. To add to this, Asian artists on twitter post art they did of POC or tanned Asian characters like Mirko, who the black community in America claim as one of their own. In some cases those characters look lighter skinned than usual, the reason why that ends up being the case doesn't really matter, because ultimately the art was made out of love and appreciation for the character, there is 0 retaliation or racist intent behind it. And black people HATE it, "Your taking away our representation!" they will say, even in cases like Mirko or Nagatoro when characters aren't even black, they are simply "claimed" as black because they have certain characteristics or their skin is darker. And then these Asian artists are harassed and bullied until eventually they leave twitter or whatever space they were using to post art. Generally in most cases when an Asian artist makes a "whitewashed" edit, it's not done with negative intent behind it, some don’t even realize they are drawing them lighter or see no difference because a character is slightly lighter because they still have tan or darker skin. But black people in the west don't see that, they are use to the reactionary angry whitewashing done in the west. There are numerous cases like this. One particular event that pisses me off is when an artist got harassed when they made a monochrome picture of a genshin character, and the twitter police said it "didn't look dark enough" (WHAT?!). Japanese do not have the context of what whitewashing means to black westerns, and black westerners overreact online and confuse the hell out of Japanese twitter, because to them they are just getting angry over something the artist did to show their love for a character. Fast forward to the Dandadan issue. Japanese twitter sees Japanese characters being blackwashed, they see western twitter saying how beautiful and great it looks (and it's a well done art piece ngl). But in their heads they say "wait a minute. Aren't these the same knuckleheads who have been harassing and bullying our artists for when they change the skin color of characters far less drastically? And they've gone and completely change the race of these Japanese characters, We haven't even done that to foreign characters! but no one is calling it out? WTH, this total hypocrisy!" and then they take to twitter to call it out because they feel like they've been done dirty. The other part of western twitter gets attached to this and says "Yeah! that's what we've been saying for years too!" completely hijacking the original issue entirely, and then the same old black vs white argument happens again. Japan doesn't learn anything about western whitewashing, and black America doesn't get the Japanese perspective and chalks it up to racism (which is a whole other mess but that's getting off topic). No one learns anything, everyone stays angry, because it's twitter and twitter sucks. None of this is to say "You are wrong! I am right!" just that you were explaining a lot of issues that play into the Dandadan issue, but stopped short of the Japanese perspective on all of this, the perspective that in my opinion is the most important in all of this since it revolves around Japanese created characters.

[@l0sts0ul89]

Yeah but you know how some people are

[@yoji5759]

I think this is a perfect explanation of not only this situation, but the whole blackwashing vs whitewashing thing as a whole.

[@ExeErdna]

This WHOLE issue is like 8 years in the making because we KNOW this is gonna bleed into the new year. People don't easily forget and this is not a new problem. The fact it deeply roots to representation yet used in a malice. If black folk don't like getting whitewashed PERIOD. They should realize not to do the same and or hijack other people's characters. We don't need Asian character with Norman Osborn's level waves and mid tone skin. Sure it's cool and often times a joke, yet how they've reacted to an ASIAN character being lighter than normal has been outright foul. It's WILD how quick people are jumping in DM's throwing death threats. Yet will cry if you did the same to them...

[@kogorun]

Claiming that Nagatoro is black is fucking crazy

[@archonic_]

Tbh feels stupid to me no matter what because you can't just assume every person who's ever done that is a harasser 😭 ( Not saying you did referring to some of the logic used ) That's what i hate most about the situation, okay wow harassment is bad- why become that? And to someone innocent who did nothing too . Its so jarring and I wish things like this were normal convos instead of dumpsterfires of toxicity . I wonder what could ever fix this , I mean I don't even engage but its definitely something I see so much Tbh to an extent people who are actually bad people do get what's coming to them but, wow a random teenager .. uncalled for.

[@LewdNoodz]

Got to say, seeing anime with black characters is always a gift because of how rare it is. Like even if they aren't black or whatever it's still nice. Like Bleach, MHA, and Fire Force have some pf my favorite black characters.

[@HartSickle]

Lycoris Recoil has the coolest black dude ever in it as the mentor character

[@Insideranon]

You should never expect anime to have black characters. Anime is made for JAPANESE people. It's like me expecting to go into movie about Africa thinking "man, I can't wait to see all the half native America and half welsh people in this!" Jaapane doesn't owe you anything. No creator owes you anything. If you create aa dope character, imma like it no matter what their race. Same with a good story. If your story and character suck, It's gonna be a pass. Create or be known as a vulture. Welcome to the entertainment and creative world.

[@LewdNoodz]

@Insideranon All that yapping, but I never even said I expect anime to have black characters, sooooooooo. Nice try.

[@Sly9192]

And this is why I don't like black washing characters. Takes away from actual black characters and is false representation

[@imaniiatdemonhead]

@@Sly9192 nobodys saying its how the character should be tho.. darkskinned characters are already so rare so ppl create versions of the character who do look like them. it also doesnt take away from the already exsisting characters either so idk what you're talking about.

[@yallwhatnow447]

You're right, in a vacuum, there's nothing wrong with race swapping art if it comes from a place of love. Unfortunately, I disagree with how you excuse one side's collective double standards by pointing at bad apples and blaming culture theft, as if we're not all tired of regressive politics attacking one group above all others. Is changing a character's ethnicity or love interest not done simply to appeal to a wider and more diverse audience? Is it not also appropriating culture when it's done to, say, LoTR?

[@rymatin]

As a verified vacuum, I can confirm that people who make everything a problem 100% sucks.

[@thebreadbringer]

Yeah, I seldom see race swaps "done out of love." It's almost always politically motivated and extremely condescending.

[@rymatin]

I love it when KZbin removes my comments…

[@Crackerhonkeykilla]

@thebreadbringer that's just your personal bias honestly

[@Crackerhonkeykilla]

@@thebreadbringer also how do you aggresively post a picture? 🤣

[@shadowxthevampiressofficial]

We need to stop calling narcissists children. We are not born as narcissists. That is something that develops over time. Children get their biases from the information they soak up around them. We are always learning. To be a narcissist someone needs to get enough information to develop a bias & then they stick with it refusing to learn anything new. Children haven't had a chance to become stubborn & therefore they are better than these people you call children.

[@ExeErdna]

Children are VERY stubborn what gets them out of it is different perspectives to break their biases. What makes them act like this is them being in a bubble with other knuckleheads.

[@XppleCutiie]

yes! i swear thats the #1 insult i hear in every incident in a community discussion video. That a person who displays immature behavior are automatically narcissistic. Maybe for some, but not all. Its losing it meaning.

[@ImWizV2]

Most white edits are always boring. Blonde hair and blue eyes where's the other hair and eye colors?

[@LewdNoodz]

Exactly! If the white edits were done with love and a bit of creativity, then boom, fine. Nice. But usually, it's just in retaliation to a much cooler black edit

[@thundercanee]

prolly because aryan… that gets messy fast however

[@EyesDontCry]

Beyond the more obvious aryan messaging, I do think there is something to be said about contrast. From brown to blue and black to blonde does make a nice contrast. You see the same with black fan art where most of the time it's more fizzled hair, black hair colour and dark brown eyes. That's the common "black look" even if it's not what all black people look like it's just the style that comes to mind. When I think of a white guy I do often times think of a guy with blue eyes and straight hair, though I more often think of brown hair maybe dirty blonde. Again the aryan messaging with some of these posts is obviously there to make people mad and get more attention, but on it's own I think those colours make sense just with how they contrast the original.

[@l0sts0ul89]

@@LewdNoodz no it wouldn't be accepted don't make me laugh

[@LewdNoodz]

@l0sts0ul89 Who the fuck said anything about accepted? Of course, whitewashing won't be accepted, I just want more effort to be made.

[@heavenlysenju9948]

Finally an actual, real conversation, about this type of stuff by a REAL black person. Not a grifter or somebody just pandering to a side for a check by parroting whatever opinions they've seen on Twitter. We need like 10 more of you on the internet. For every space.

[@alexescorza8120]

this is a twitter ass comment lmao

[@heavenlysenju9948]

@@alexescorza8120 Eww, you use Twitter?

[@anticlaws4105]

There are no real or fake black people imo

[@Insideranon]

Bro, it sounds like you just hate that there are black people who disagree with you and this guy was closer to agreeing with you so you made this racist ass twitter comment on a youtube video.

[@heavenlysenju9948]

@@Insideranon Firstly, I am black. I live in an area filled with black people. I disagree with black people almost every day. Why would I care if some black person on the internet disagrees with me? You gotta come better than that. If it sounds like that to you. Then maybe YOU'RE the one with a problem. I was just happy to have someone state my point-of-view out loud. Just because I don't agree with yall twitter warriors, yall act like I'm a trump supporter or something.

[@lindon1419]

I may get hate for this but just my opinion, im not a fan of raceswapping, ppl can do it, im just not a fan, as a beginner artist i follow so many big and small artist who do amazing original black characters and i end up thinking the time and energy u put into changing a famous character black u could come uo with something new, and me being from the caribbean i have so many ideas for characters inspired from my culture i want to draw in the future, so drawing of naruto if he was black and from trinidad is not exciting to me or makes me happy cause " i see myself in naruto now" again just my opinion. Also no hate to the young artist in the middle of this.

[@Koijn2K]

As in you're not a fan of doing it yourself or does it also bother you when other people do it?

[@lindon1419]

@Koijn2K just not for me, people can do draw it, u have the freedom/right to draw what u want, i just dont like, amd like i said love seeing new and original work, nikolas draper ivy is a very good example of this 90% of his work is original black characters and he goes so hard to do a amazinh job, on the other hand theres a artist called crumsart 99% or of his art is black versions of a beloves or trending non black charaters its all he does, i haven't looked at his work more than a year now, now he can draw it, i just choose not to follow his work. Its not interesting or exciting to me.

[@LoopyDreamz775]

I don’t care what you do on your free time. But I would say, I don’t like the people justifying the hate the artist got simply because they dislike the “double standards” To be perfectly clear, there isn’t a double standard with blackwashing or whitewashing, before I was weird about saying this now in Confident there isn’t…because both will get the exact same outcome. The artist was harassed offline btw and like you said…clan meeting. He isn’t the only artist that was harassed offline for making a character black, there was one on KZbin, small channel who got mess for drawing a black deku A black artist named “thumin” was sent vile messages and harassed for months for drawing herself as a anime character. The little mermaid actress faces death threats and bullying for months when the trailer first released, also the dislikes are telling. Snow White same thing. I don’t know, did we forget about this? Or are we not knowledgeable about it? There isn’t some double standard or hypocrisy and I’m sick of people pretending there is as they ignore the hatred and disgusting behavior these innocent artist (who are black) face. This also isn’t the only thing black anime fans face either, cosplaying is the next big thing, which for whatever reason is never talked about. Lastly something I want to point out, the reason so many people who aren’t asian (usually white) feel the need to defend and bat for Japanese people is because of the delusion that anime characters look white or are white…which is a whole other can of worms I don’t feel like getting into, I’ll just say this is pure delusion and a only American thing.

[@CerosTelevision]

spitting fr

[@LoopyDreamz775]

Thanks for reading my unorganized yap 😂 Also Love the videos bruv 👍

[@maxiwaxipads]

thumin mention!!! i love her content 🫶

[@sociallyineptsnapper]

I think a lot of non-hateful non-black people can get roped up in having a false view of it because from their perspective they’re only seeing the equal hate and especially attention gets focussed on things like non human characters being drawn as white that are generally, idk if coded is the right word? Let’s go with that, coded as black. I think that’s how they see it because *they’re* not spreading actual hate towards people who ‘black wash’ characters so they just.. they don’t see it. That combined with the constantly aggressive tone of the whole conversation can cause a lot of confusion in what is actually happening because brains are pretty hardwired to focus on what’s directed at you first. Does that makes sense? I think a lot of these conversations could benefit from more neutral explaining since it helps prevent this confused oppinion isolation from happening. (Not saying it’s easy. Just saying it would help). (Also, not saying there aren’t those who are hypocritical and attack those who ‘black wash’ as they ‘white wash’ they Defnitely exist too and they’re definitely .. pieces of work.)

[@sociallyineptsnapper]

If my tone or intention here seemed confusing or somehow came off as aggressive I do apologize, I’m a bit bad at tone especially when I’m trying to organize a bunch of jumbled thoughts in my head.

[@ClawCyber]

I feel like the weirdest thing I see when race swapping a character to make them white, is that sometimes the artist will say the character is "fixed" or "improved". I usually dont see that when characters are made brown.

[@loganconor-bisinger]

It’s the opposite when I see those tweets, it’s usually they turn a white character darker, and say they fix it

[@Insideranon]

You're just lying.

[@humbug7858]

Lol keep telling yourself that

[@loganconor-bisinger]

@@humbug7858 wait do you mean me?

[@humbug7858]

@@loganconor-bisinger he can lie to himself all he wants to keep the moral highground, ps it's just fucking weird no matter what race you try and "fix"

[@atusiryu3384]

人種差別が云々よりもあのファンアートがトレスであり、その作品を販売していることの方が問題だと思う

[@onlypardo3902]

This is unrelated to the topic but you are genuinely one of the most interesting people I have ever seen on KZbin. Really wish I knew people like you irl

[@luna8neko]

Probably gonna be waffling to the void but... My thing about this is that this was the eventual outcome. I absolutely agree with your takes but this was a case of crabs in a pot slowly being boiled, a lot of this is the result of Asian people being harassed and thrown death threats over making fan art of a black character a bit too light, having their art that they poured time and effort being taken, butchered and and then reposted gloating how they have fixed it. Its not so much White People vs Black People as it's more so Asian Artists vs Black Artists, as an Asian woman myself, I've seen so many Asian Artists get harassed, sent death threats, then either roll over and give into the harassment or just delete their accounts entirely. This has been going on for a good while and we're seeing the end result. The crabs have tipped the pot over and are responding in kind. Neither side can no longer reasonably see eye to eye because there's already been so much damage done on both sides. It's why a lot of artists left twitter, moved over to Misskey. From Marina, to Nessa, Kaeya, and more. I've seen so many "art fixes" taking other people's hard work and love and then "fixing them" because they weren't the right skin tone. Getting harassed and called racists because they dared to draw a character lighter. Heck, outside this debacle I remember back in the days of tumblr where a girl was harassed into attempting her own life over drawing a character a little less plump than how she was in the show. Hate doesn't belong anywhere in the world, regardless of skin color, background, political side, or identity. Could it have been handled better? I honestly couldn't tell you, but from what I have seen, neither side from the start ever bothered to just sit down at the table, break bread, and talk things out. When we don't understand one another, we assume the worst in each other. Communication is the one thing that can bridge understanding, instead of sending death threats and harassment, why not approach and give proper criticism, genuine constructive criticism? Like, instead of saying "This is wrong" rather, *explain* why it's wrong, how to fix it, give tips on skin tones. If this all had been done, like had genuine effort into understanding and communicating means to amend, this wouldn't have been the end result. A lot of Asian countries don't have many African-Americans or those of African descent, they are the rare minority in a mostly Asian majority. Like Ceros said, they understand the *idea* of a black person, but do not understand the *concept* of a black person. To them they are like a unicorn in the wild. And you have to remember, Japan was an isolationist country till they opened their borders. One such record being Yasuke, one of the first blacks to even step foot in Japan. They thought because of his dark complexion he was caked in mud and dirt and tried to scrub him clean, soon realizing that it wasn't dirt, it was his skin. A lot of Asian countries are also very deep in tradition, it will take time for a lot of them to learn of the broader world. It will be a slow process, but it's happening. And those over on twitter rage baiting and stoking the fires have no sympathy from me. I just wonder if we've truly hit the point of no return. I don't know, honestly, at this point it feels like I'm just rambling.

[@Insideranon]

I think you nailed it.

[@Sly9192]

Try telling this to any black savoir

[@UnhingedFridge]

How do you keep having these really good in-depth takes one after another? I really appreciate you, and this channel you're building. edit: Built in captions could sometimes confuse people who need them when it messes up. Love you man.

[@Koppter42]

Fr love his stuff but those subs always bother me

[@EyesDontCry]

Probably from having a more grounded personality less swayed by the shifting media landscape due to his experiences with real people. And most importantly an aspect of open minded curiosity. He comes off much more interested in why people act rather than just what they do and ascribing a label to it without much thought. It also helps that you probably already agree with him by coincidence, these are naturally agreeable takes sure but you probably already had those takes aswell and that's why you were attracted to this channel and stuck around. If you kept seeing takes you disagree with you would likely have a different opinion.

[@CerosTelevision]

the subtitles being wrong is my fav shit lmfao

[@13onekrusha]

As a black person I honestly dont mind people just headcannoning other characters as different tones or races. Its not canon, and its not gonna change the story. If they feel the want to just change something to better represent themselves or a group of people, it really isn’t hurting anybody. The one thing I don’t like is how some of the fans have become outraged about that type of shit, and it becomes something WAY more than it needs to be.

[@Insideranon]

Then get back up on that soap box and tell the ones black washing they're not fixing characters. Because if you're honest with yourself, You know that's what they're doing, hell a lot of the time they are TELLING us that in the posts.

[@13onekrusha]

@@Insideranon bye you act like Im finna get into that ridiculous mess 😭😭😭 yeah it isnt “fixing” anything, its just representation. Its not hurting anyone but if their intentions are ignorant, ignore it. Duhghhhhhh

[@RykeemMorris-g3g]

Then it should be fine for me to make all the mha characters black and make my own online manga

[@13onekrusha]

@@RykeemMorris-g3g Thats just fanfiction, so yeah. Its never going to be official lol cause the characters aren’t yours, just your idea or perception of them.

[@nicelight7794]

You're correct about how when some fellow black ppl lash out in response to people e.g. making retaliatory white edits or e.g. saying weird racist shit about us, that it doesn't necessarily help calm things down. I think we all should approach these situations with a little more tact. ...Simultaneously, I feel it's worth remembering that no matter what we do, people do still find reason to hate us. Black people are not in the woeful position we're in _purely_ from our own choices, far from it, and that's not a "victim mentality" as is sickeningly repeated ad nauseum by some ppl on the other side of the aisle, but it is rather an acceptance of reality, a reality that _they_ don't want to accept or perhaps even want to hide. None of this means we as black ppl should just do whatever the fuck we want and throw away decorum, of course. But in my mind, it's not wrong at all for people to offer tame reminders that black people have contributed more than people give us credit for. We have ppl trying to influence Japanese ppl into hating us over a cute good-hearted fanart of Dandadan as if the damn show's OP wasn't made by people inspired by Hip Hop and Jersey Club with dance references to Rihanna and The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. Like you said, they love our culture but they don't like us. It isn't right. We are not deserving of this much hate. And we need more people from the majority populations in these places to notice and care if things are gonna get better.

[@l0sts0ul89]

Does this mean Chainsaw Man is the whitest thing ever because they reference a bunch of white movies in the OP? Or JoJo with its many music references being this and that?

[@turkeysanwich9281]

​@@l0sts0ul89 strawman argument lol

[@EyesDontCry]

I agree with what you're saying but I don't understand why people keep acting like dandadan has heavy influence from black culture. Some influence for sure like the examples you gave but that's literally just one dance move in the opening unrelated from the actual story from the manga. The most I can think of is gyaru, which is less direct since gyaru is a Japanese phenomenon that was first influenced by black people but I don't think using a gyaru nowadays can be called direct inspiration from black people, like saying someone who uses rock music is inspired by black people because rock started from black artists. Obviously gyaru isn't that extreme but it's not the same as say jazz for example. Dandadan is not that inspired by black people or culture, there's a bit here and there but the people acting like it's very obvious and very prevalent need to step back and look around a bit. It almost makes me think you didn't watch the show and just saw the music video because it's popular when you say something like this.

[@l0sts0ul89]

@@turkeysanwich9281 A show having "black music" and makes references to black dances Vs literally changing an asian characters race to make them black and calling it better If DanDanDan is taking black culture because of music and references then Chainsaw Man is stealing white culture for music and references.

[@l0sts0ul89]

@@turkeysanwich9281 how, it's literally just some magic and references?

[@X3nophiliac]

i dont know if every blackwashing is done out of love 12:22 im thinking about past examples like marina done by user FashionDevaGes Knuckles done by user MysticMaryy Nessa done by user jasminjoestar idk i think these people didn't have the best of intentions and they act vindictive. idk what has happened in their life but maybe all of our best options is just to get off Twitter bc these weirdos dont deserve oxygen (or the twitter revenue which i forgot about, thanks for pointing that out in the pinned comment) 😅

[@thebreadbringer]

Yeah, the "done out of love" point doesn't really make any sense. Pretty much the only blackwashing I've ever seen is politically motivated and really aggressive.

[@yoji5759]

@@thebreadbringer Tbh if thats the case you've probably only seen that art from people already arguing about the topic. There is a LOT of blackwashing art that's done out of love, it just doesn't get talked about or shared much due to it not getting attracting a lot of hate. People who "fix" art are a loud minority and are hated on both sides, the only reason why it seems like a lot of people do it is because those kinds of posts get really popular and overshadow everything else

[@archonic_]

​@@thebreadbringerdo you perhaps live off those reposted scs of the same three scenarios ? ok jokes aside you've gotta see more if this is your opinion, i live on pinterest drama free and see beautiful edits day after day thats just people vibing . 🔥

[@Insideranon]

@@archonic_ Edits are bad, if you can't draw a character leave other people's art alone.

[@Insideranon]

@@yoji5759 Not likely. I'm tired of people assuming black people or people who do these "edits" or "fixes" have good intentions. They do this because they think making a character black fixes the character and they can't create their own. So they steal. I've seen some good ones of people just doing a black version of the character they love. they don't say it's a black (insert character) they usually will say it's a black version of them or them cosplaying. and some of that's really nice. I don't mind that. Same as any race swap. Problem is, they do this because they used to be able to get away with it. Theyt can't anymore because Twitter isn't a hivemind where only one political side can speak. That's why they go to blue sky. One issue is that if you can't say that the opposite is okay, then you need to sit down. Hypocrasy is a plague.

[@BigBossMan538]

I wish I knew someone like you in my college days. I graduated in 2018 and I was in an environment where talking about political issues weren’t talked with nuance all the time. I did learn more about groups outside of white male, and I’m grateful to grow. But I also wish that things weren’t so heated

[@Riverhh]

Really enjoy hearing your thoughts during all these types of videos where you just kind of go off a topic or story, hope you enjoyed that grilled cheese sandwich with cream cheese

[@chickenhypnosis]

I like when in Arcane silco said "the cycle only ends when you walk away", I know the context for that quote specifically was on violence but I think that can be applied to hate in general.

[@gositachi8438]

You have a fair point, especially given your point of view. But I have personally seen countless non antagonistic explanations. It’s what’s said in retaliation to us that makes us unwilling to give a proper explanation. Not to mention this happens damn near every day for anime waaaaaaay older than Dandadan. This isn’t new, which should also show you why people are hesitant to give a nice explanation. So I have a hard time seeing why you think that no one wants to give the explanation that’s needed. When it’s perpetually been done

[@Sleighzal]

The issue is, is that there are a lot of bad actors who actively go out and make issues out of nothing. the reason this escalated was due to months on end, targeting artist for using a shade lighter or using a color palette they didn't like. Personally, these people making drama over nothing are the ones at fault. And the issue with the underrepresentation, like i say to other people, I don't want hand me downs, I want more original works with good writing. for example, I am mixed and i was raised as a latino. the series that i've seen growing up had latinos/latinas as either MCs or side characters were written well and were not there to fill a list of what race each character should be. shows like "Maya and Miguel", "Generator Rex" "Dragon Tails" (i'm not mexican but i can somewhat relate), "El Tigre" were shows made by people from part of the culture, and not someone who is latino who never truly experienced being a latino like the creator of "Ore Primos". now onto black shows like "Fresh Prince of Bel Air" "That's so Raven" "Proud Family" "Static Shock" "Little Bill" "Everybody Hates Chris" were well written shows that I think had a really great impact on those who watched it, regardless of race. you had people from within the culture make with love and passion. Terry Crews a good role model for me growing up and we don't get shows like this anymore. I want more shows that don't add characters tokens for the sake of diversity.

[@LucarioDXAuraStorm]

(Disclaimer: I LOVE the art and the trend it caused because it brought hella artists together to make their own) My thing is WHERE WAS ALL THE SMOKE FOR BRAZILLIAN MIKU??? Hella people were influenced by that simple little fan art to where tons of people started making more Latina variations of Mikus like Mexican Miku, Puerto Rican Miku, Venezuelan Miku, then i saw Asian variations like Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese, then black variations like Nigerian, Zimbabwean, and even American Miku was black. I wouldn't even be bothered if we had a British, Scottish, French or any white ethnicities for Miku because it would genuinely be done out of love just like how the majority of black artists did black redraws of preexisting anime characters during Blacktober of 2020 or 2021 (Whenever that trend popped off)

[@stuffiguess7680]

People actually got mad cuz some people were “whitewashing” Brazilian miku.

[@EyesDontCry]

I feel like it's fairly obvious that it's because Brazilian miku wasn't black miku and it wasn't portrayed as fixing anything. If it was black, I can definitely see the exact same situation going down where people without basis claim they were trying to fix art or that it's hypocritical because of the perceived issue they get from all the previous controversies and ofcourse it being spurred on by genuinely racist people who just want to say the n word and spread their hate.

[@VeNti-jc6ib]

Also actually, vocaloid can be anything a person wants since they're just an instrument tool,(said by the company) so people didn't really give a crap about people changing miku's race most of the time. Like miku can be a kid, a dog, a boy depending on what song your making its about, or you just wanna make miku and the rest of the Vocaloid into something else

[@VeNti-jc6ib]

But yea I agree with u

[@AtrueSimp]

i feel like the reason why brazilian miku wasn’t being hated on or just controversial is because outside of the character and stuff, miku is just a voicebank for a music software, and im pretty sure miku was made into a character as advertising (i don’t exactly remember but its something like that). so because of that i feel like miku (the normal one), is just a base that people can use to make their own AUs of her and stuff (sorry if i explained it wrong i kinda suck at doing stuff like this)

[@isaiahwilson4943]

It really is wild. People start fights for the smallest most harmless shit these days. Especially on twitter. Almost always twitter. Plus I got a Dandadan commercial right after this. I really should watch it some more. Crazy show.

[@durandus676]

0:03 first mistake, using twitter. Second, the voice actors involved have actively supported same race voice casting, yet almost of their roles are Japanese. Like fictional races like witches in re zero are the non japanese roles. I dont think theres any issue with casting best fit, but these same idiots do. Its all good, if you get rid of the goofy selective bias shenanigans. 10 Years ago i remember japanese artists and acquaintances loving black fanart of characters like ichigo. But those were fanart not reshaded traces of official art. Art theft and intellectual property with art is a much more serious offense socially and even legally in Japan as they have a history where artistic expression was essentially the only expression that was accessible to the common person. Similarly to how books in the US have extreme legal protections due to the history of governmental censorship, in japan misspeaks or wrong think often meant extreme consequences to ones family, but with art, you could obscure meaning better. Illiteracy was also a deliberate tool to control the common person in japan so writing didnt have close to the same cultural impact as art. Japan has been using art to express complex ideas since before the word propaganda existed in europe.

[@Insideranon]

THIS.

[@Distressed_Assets]

You always have a great message dude. Mad respect

[@sodium_and_scales]

This guy always says the exact same thing I'm thinking, I'm so glad I found this channel. It's so refreshing seeing someone who doesn't just fuel the fire of this stupid cycle of hate.

[@SENATORPAIN1]

Ive heard you mention it a couple times about being hit and not hitting back.its always bothered me when someone is antagonistic gets punched then thinks fights on and hits back instead of considering why they were punched.this had happened to me twice in child hood where i guess i was bullying someone unintentionally and got hit but instead of fighting back i realised oh shit i guess i crossed a line my bad.ive seen to many people so the opposite and it always bothers me.

[@slayerswrath6632]

2:43 you ate horse ribs with Sung on jeju island? Did ya get to see Beru as well

[@flix6561]

I think that the main reason you hear complaining about blackwashing is that they're already mad about big corporations casting people with the "wrong" amount of melanin for white characters for the sake of representation. It just piles on top and is assumed to be foul play/rage bait. We all love to self insert into our favorite characters, some of the best fanart I've seen is race swapped, talent is talent but you're right, people don't seem to care anymore.

[@LoopyDreamz775]

Here’s a question then. Why does race matter when casting a person to play a fictional character…

[@yoji5759]

@@LoopyDreamz775 the biggest reason why people care about that is due to America already having a preference for white people in general so its easier for them to get most jobs. When people want minorities to play fictional characters its a way to even the playing field.

[@ExeErdna]

@@LoopyDreamz775 Because of how people WILL react to said character. Look at how with the Lilo and Stitch live action they got pissed off the woman playing Nani isn't as dark. Eventhough she's a BORN native...

[@lunamaria8788]

​@@LoopyDreamz775Relatibility

[@siennanicholas1089]

@@LoopyDreamz775depends on the character really. ariel/the little mermaid? doesn’t matter, yeah we’re all used to the animated look, but we’ll live. snow white? it’s part of what defines her, why she has her name. her mother asked for a child with skinas white as snow, hair as dark as midnight, and lips as red as blood.

[@epicjettt3404]

22:38 do you put the cream cheese in addition to regular cheese or just cream cheese?

[@CerosTelevision]

@@epicjettt3404 in addition

[@epicjettt3404]

@ imma make that for lunch that sounds great

[@degg6069]

1:27 😭bro were you in GET OUT but IRL 🙏

[@Marvus-r7d]

Go to bed kid

[@mrstopmotionpotion4636]

​@Marvus-r7d I think he means the movie get out, not the meme

[@sosilly.phoenix]

@@Marvus-r7dweird

[@degg6069]

@@mrstopmotionpotion4636 yeah :P

[@Marvus-r7d]

@@mrstopmotionpotion4636 oh whoops lol

[@XppleCutiie]

i was thinking the moment when you brought up Japanese people having little idea of black people and its culture, that also reminded me how many anime western fans do things similar to Japanese culture. They like the aesthetic but it can come off as offensive at times. With blackwashing/white-washing, out of all the arguments i just could never agree with is "if it was a black character turned white..." because most of the time it is almost never white characters, its always Asian anime characters. There's also a point i see many say that the anime characters are white, but not light-skin Asians. Which i think is weird, like i know they're voiced by white people in English, but that doesn't change anything. I think this artist didn't do anything wrong from what i see. With race-washing, i think its mainly harmless if its made without bias. Even if its a white character turned black or vice-versa (and including Asian), because if the intentions are just wanting to see a character in different culture or different skin-color, then is it really bad? Or if its a AU possibly. This is what many lately have done to Miku. There's Russian miku, east Asian miku, Brazil miku, etc. And its cool, because people are having fun. Maybe its the consequence of how intensely people experience their emotions today, as overwhelming life contributes to how some express these feelings online. Today it feels a significant lack of nuance in art and perspectives. People could ask of artists about the intention of their work, which would more respectful than insulting and making assumptions. Maybe the reason for why many don't like seeing either is that we've only seen the bad. We've only seen whitewashed black characters as an attack of argument, or some might have seen artists fix lighter-skinned characters to darker because they see how it is fit. But fighting isn't helping for either side.

[@Still-Struggling]

Elvis was on the side of black people. He loved their culture and wanted to express his version of it. He preformed with multiple black artists and helped them get record deals. The black gospel churches he attended also spoke highly of him.

[@yaboisnow727]

I feel like you have one of the best takes, This eniter thing is just really stupid to me from both sides of the argument. I can understand the japanse people being mad from the edit as people kept harassing artists about their drawings not being "dark enough" (I believe it was the select insane white people mainly doing that) But it's just an edit, There was no need to harass that person for simply making an edit. And if you try to say anything about that people will attack you from both sides saying "You're a racist" or "You're black washing" I just wish people stopped going at each others throats for this. Anyways enough great video I hope you continue to make bangers ✨

[@Insideranon]

There are a lot of white savior types that did. But to say that most weren't black people going after them would be lying to yourself.

[@yaboisnow727]

​@@InsideranonYou're right on that but what I meant is the more toxic types which are keen on harassing someone are usually white savior types.

[@drewdasupernova]

This video is really eye opening. i always thought this issue was a no-brainer but honestly, seeing it from a perspective of "why cant we do it too" and not spiteful like i always assume it really is childish. Like that white miles pic i'd like it if i was already angry about why it was made. I wish we could all appreciate art and stop being so afraid of inclusion.

[@h0b0y0da4]

Ngl, I'd like to hear your stance on race-swapping characters in shows and other media outlets.

[@Insideranon]

There is no such thing as oppinion here. There is only one correct take.

[@igotmeeseeks677]

keep on doing what your doing man. we need more people like you in the world and the only way it'll happen is by helping others understand.

[@TheVnator]

I'm not the biggest fan of just turning the other cheek, because there are enough people out there who are filled with so much hatred they will take it as an opportunity to do even worse to you and keep doing bad. However, I do absolutely agree that retaliating the same way won't do any good. The challenge is coming up with a way to respond (or not at all) that is effective for you and the situation. Someone does a retaliatory whitewash edit to your edit? Either block them, or explain your motivation and invite them to explain theirs in a friendly way so that both of you can enjoy it. If they reply by being an asshole about it, then that's an easy block. But for other situations, coming up with a way to respond that isn't retaliatory is hard. Like, really hard, and for something completely new there might not be an easily identifiable solution. Being able to turn the other cheek is what an ideal person would do, nobody is ideal, and very few people come close enough to be able to keep doing it. For everyone who can't or can't anymore, there should be way for them to stop the perpetual hate without taking it in to themselves. But yeah, I've gotten to the point where I don't even care about online controversies or hate. If someone is upset, we can find a compromise. If someone just wants to hurt me for the sake of it or out of hatred, I can just block them. (I hope this doesn't count as the "don't post that comment" you were talking about 😓)

[@hondaaccord1399]

Problem was that it wasn't even black washing. It was fanart of two characters in another racial context. Like what? Why does it matter? At all? It was AU fanart, basically. Most whitewashing is just cos people get the values wrong, at least the Dandadan art was fan art imagining them as another race instead of just coloring them wrong

[@Insideranon]

It was NOT a fan art, it was traced. That's not art, that's stealing. And now you have people selling traced edits. Race swap aside, it's insulting and just wrong.

[@hondaaccord1399]

@Insideranon Okay, but how many people approach it as an artist integrity issue and not a racism issue?

[@Namelessstew]

Us Vs them tribalism will always effect us as humans. And I wish we could move past our differences but that is so deeply ingrained in us. I think the more we move towards talking about us as a people instead of them the more we'll be a more cohesive people.

[@FloatingAmongTheCosmos]

Been saying this for a long time and Imma say it again : We need more honest hearted, good willed people in the world like this but sadly, people are Ceros just seem to be rarer and rarer each day. This video is just goated as fuck. I loved everything about it and yeah, you pretty much explained fully how stupid this whole argument bullshit thing all is. You're truly a king, Ceros. We all appreciate you. All these weird things I've been feeling down on since yesterday and genuinely, this video settled my mood by a good amount so truly, I appreciate everything about this and you.

[@jordanmathis2730]

Can I just say I’m very appreciative of your video because when I look around for content that is new for me and different views and takes that I might not see eye to eye with you made it very digestible and not condescending at all

[@danielhuelsman76]

I wish it could just be an appreciation for good art, because I like the black Dandadan edit, I think the girl looks really cute with big lips and freckles. And I'm now curious about what edit looks the best.

[@thelingeringartist]

Ceros thank you for ranting everyday. You put in hard work and I know it’s hard on you. You’re really motivating me to also talk about stuff like this… thank you.

[@danielhuelsman76]

About that grilled cheese with cream cheese, is it replacing the cheese filling, or is it like butter being spread on top the sandwich?

[@pkmasterjt4899]

12:25 I'm not gonna disacknowledge that they're mostly done out of love now, but can we at least acknowledge where this STARTED?!? It started with Mina being shown as Japanese under the pink shell after black america spent years drawing her as black. Didn't they turn around and say "I'm fixing your character, you drew her wrong" and black washed her out of malice? I'm not saying everyone doing it on the white washing side is correct, but this all started with Mina. Not ALL of it is out of love. Also, white black panther exists, he's the white tiger. Wait.. nvm, he's Puerto rican

[@Mutestereotype]

I'm so glad I randomly found your channel through the Luigi stuff cause you're the most entertaining new person for me to enjoy the content from in a really long time, Genuinely super fucking good shit, And a lot of your discussion made me realize how much the world tries to encourage a negative response out of me but you're approach to always being kind really stuck deep and reawakened a part I haven't given a long thought to, that I don't have to be mad at people seeing things in their own way, even if they would absolutely eat me alive if I even dared to think differently from them, Cause everyone is different and everyone does think differently some things just click with others better, And I shouldn't be mad because someone wants a character to be something that clicks with them, Obviously I don't mean in a race thing specifically, I never minded race edits done just because the person wanted to represent who they are through a character they like, But I have definitely been tired of trying to fight a fight that I don't even want to win in regards to a character and their idenity and whatever else I may have specifically attached to a character, Because as you said it is stupid, I dont have to fight this fight, and I dont even need an agreement to what I think, I gotta be more productive in stopping myself from doing what the world keeps trying to make me do and getting mad because of something that doesn't line up with my personal viewing of a character, Especially because it IS a charater and it IS fiction, Anything should be possible since they are characters and they were made to be there for people to click with them. Keep making cool ass videos my dude, I can't wait to watch more content out of you,, and sorry for the vent LMAO

[@almogshelly8127]

Bro I never seen you before and from your vibe I can guess that we will disagree about some stuff, but I love how calmly and reasonably you can explain stuff, all the power to you dog

[@Drawperfectcircles]

I wanted to make this video before. But since you already did, perfectly. I’m just gonna make a video explaining stupidity from another angle. This video is awesome

[@butterflymage5623]

The more you talked the more I got sucked in like it was a convo with the homie. New sub.

[@quinngurney]

Hey i just found your channel and haven't found a creator ive identified with so much before, would love to smoke or have a drink and talk about deep shit for hours. Always treat others with the golden rule and show and teach others with your behavior how to treat others with kindness and respect.

[@Jordan-o4l]

I think the bigger issue is that the art was mainly traced over. I think it would less of a problem if was something original. I might get the same hate or a different type of hate. That's just my two cents.

[@thapl4yb0yd8nakarlx6]

18:14 yes the world is bigger than people think but twitter; ig; and Facebook. There’s proof that yes the world is big which means there’s lots of racist mf not a one off white guy😂😂.

[@Kikhuo2]

I only realized 13:20 minutes into the video that the camera was not angled properly

[@dr.appleberrys2098]

I’m a white guy and honestly I just don’t what to see malicious race swapping, or even race swapping just for the sake of over diversification. Especially when it comes to classic movies and live action remakes

[@masonnovosat4419]

I dislike race swaps in any form simply because I want to encourage more originality instead of just self inserting into a character and just calling it a day Ignore the fact that the Dandadan pic was traced What's stopping the artist from making an inspired OC? Wouldn't that give better representation instead of just a Black/White version of that character? I'm not saying that you *can't* do that kind of art, I'm asking why you stopped there instead of putting in a full effort and making something better that has some sort of soul and personality to it. Btw that's not even mentioning how a lot of these Black edits are straight up just traces and sometimes sold for money which is just plagiarism and unethical in the art community but that is a separate issue.

[@venandisicarius]

Hmm... Personally i just dont like racewashing characters, particularly when it's blackwashing done under the guise of "representation". If you want representation, why not make a new character? Clearly you have the talent to do so, go wild and put forth a genuine effort for representation. Plus racewashing in more cases than not is very disrespectful to the OG designer. Imagine you went through the work of making a character and someone makes art saying they fixed it by changing the race and, in some cases, turning them to a completely different culture that you had no intention of including in their design. The idea that a character needs to LOOK like you in order for you to see yourself in them or relate to them is one of the loudest self report of emotional immaturity i have ever heard of. I'm black myself and have related to characters that weren't even humanoid. Not everything needs to just be hijacked and altered to what you so desire. Like Dandadan and wish there was black representation? Make a character in the universe that IS black. Fanfiction has been alive forever and you making some will not spell the end of everything. Create and trust me, people will appreciate it.

[@sGeeMoney]

3:37 same here with Call of Duty. I never had internet where I grew up and if there was any it was slow dial-up. I went back there this year and there is STILL barely any way to get wifi in 2024. Me and my friends used to just play MW3 survival or 1v1, but they never wanted to 1v1 me because I was hella good. After I moved to the city and finally got to play my first online game I got DUNKED on, and playing against some friends i made really made me understand the skill difference.

[@sociallyineptsnapper]

I’m Not black, I am queer in multiple ways and ND. Different struggles, similar experiences… Unfortunately a lot of the talk about subjects like these are very… non-nuanced. Aggressive. I get being aggressive when someone is actively horrible to you, don’t get me wrong, not trying to say you should just lay your head down and take things but… that’s not what I’m talking about. I honestly have so much respect for you and the way you approach things. For a while I’ve had my own oppinions on this stuff mostly from the perspective of someone who really likes character/canon accuracy and have refused to listen to any videos covering it ebcause they just.. they never felt nuanced or smart or welcoming. I trust the way you talk about things a lot tbh so I gave the video a go. Not disappointed. I have taken these words into my brain.

[@KayyVEVO]

I don't want race-swapped characters, I really don't care for a dark-skinned character turned white or vice versa. What I don't like, is changing the skin tone of a character and claiming it's automatically "better" or "correct" because their skin tone is now darker. Same goes for body types or gender. There is no "better" or "superior" body type, gender, sexuality or skin tone. A character's features should just be that, features, not their entire identity. Making any character's entire personality or identity based on one of their features is just tokenism.

[@m_speigal]

This topic has haunted me for so long and this might be one of if not the best explanations I’ve seen ☕️

[@HeatherRose23]

Wow, I never heard of blackwashing before. I have seen race-swapped characters, but didn't realize there were people getting angry, and retaliating, and retaliating to the retaliation. I've retaliated before, so I can't really say anything about other people doing the same thing. What I can say is, in my personal experience, retaliation never made my life better. It did feel good in the moment, but afterwards, I felt embarrassed for acting the way I did. So ... if anyone is thinking of retaliating, and is willing to listen to the advice of a complete stranger, then I'd say, find something more fun to do.

[@scaratlas3347]

Social media makes everything worse honestly

[@LeavanDragon]

"White black panther" Have you perhaps heard of the white wolf? Adopted brother of T'Challa?

[@SpaceWalkerReal]

Your videos are great, keep up the good work man! ❤️

[@Prince_Smugarina]

I dont need a White Black Panther cause he already exists. He's their adoptive brother, "White Wolf"

[@SonOfLaughter07]

I just thought the drawing was cool 😭

[@Cameron-g9t]

Didnt know homie worked for Team Rocket

[@cor4550]

I've seen different ways that race-swapping can be good or bad and like you said it's all based on intentions. The good way by love and fun, no malicious intent by it, it's just a nice "what if" like Froku from the he ssj9k universe. Then there's the bad way. (IDK if you've seen this kind of drama) It's the "there I "fixed" it" crowd. This crowd are the people who would race-swapping character simply because they think a character should be this color instead of that color due to xyz reasoning. Usually the reasoning is bottom of the barrel and typically a racial stereotype like breakdancing for example. I'm not gonna tell you the some of the drama around this unless you want me to. Personally as a black growing artist I like making my own characters, so if I want to show my love for a piece of media, I'll make my own characters that can exist in that media. Anyway love the vid and wish you well.

[@kebabdi8033]

Jesus have never seen a comment section before where most of the comments are atleast a paragraph long😭

[@GoodLuckNxgga]

Just looked up the Korean thing, and damn your right 😂

[@CerosTelevision]

I DONT LIE MAN

[@thundercanee]

⁠🤥@@CerosTelevision

[@Caragoner]

Honestly, I think you have a ways to go but unironically brother, you're one of the smartest people I've seen. You're one of the few people publicly calling for real actually equality. Please keep spreading your messages of unity. I genuinely believe you can do so much good with your platform. Its sad that people have forgotten the words of MLK. That unity is what we need, not hate. Im behind you all the way man

[@ThaNobleSavage]

Everyone talks about black and white but no one mentions the red man

[@thebreadbringer]

We don't talk about the Red Guy.

[@theartisticvampire2598]

I love your approach my man. Black washing does bother me but not because of relation but because i rather them make original black characters (I'm talking in a official context fan art should be LEFT ALONE) I have drawn and made dark skinned characters myself and some are my favorites I ever made.

[@ytgytgy]

I'm a white guy and I'm kinda fed up. You say you (rightfully) hate what's happening, and all I can do is endlessly apologize because these dudes that look like me can't tolerate the idea that you are just as human as them. It sickens me how much hate these people carry. It's very sad.

[@chadnine3432]

Once upon a time I didn't care about race or sex swapping a character. But now it's done because the creators tell terrible stories and race/sex politics is all they have to contribute.

[@lordbot9170]

I really feel like a lot of people treat black people with pity, whatever that's the way it is, and it's annoying when they try to protect you, like I can't do it, I have my damn personality, I don't need to be protected from bad comments or being included because I'm sure I feel bad for not being

[@cameroonkendrick6312]

We just have to keep in mind other cultures aren’t used to seeing other races

[@gub.g]

challenge: every time he says "the world" scream ZA WARUDO!!! on the top of your lungs

[@HyperGamerV5]

I think this just happen due to the accumulation of instances of people disrespecting Japanese culture in my opinion. Yeah black washing character is fine , hell there's more instances back then of the same artist doing just that , but majority of people in Japan from my perspective is xenophobic and much prefer make a story of themselves and their around their entire culture. BUT due to the recent events of their culture being disrespected (ignorant tourist and the assasin creed thing back then) and a well-known artist , Bkub Okawa getting people telling him to unalive himself just because he drew a character that have a black skin tone to be a lighter skin tone and have to apologize due to it causes the Japanese side just to break and fight back . Addendum, if not mistaken, the english voice actor of Okarun also said some bad things about this which just fueled the fire. But that's just my point of view , I'm Asian but I can see both side (I know I wrote nothing about the black people side but this video did a well job on that so I'm not going to)

[@eudstass8236]

What’s even more crazy is that actually the "white Miles Morales" wasn’t even done in retaliation to the original character lmaoo. The original artist just made a commission for someone that wanted an actual character wearing the Spider-Man’s suit, not even with Miles’ character in mind since it wasn’t meant to be a white Miles to begin with, stoopid raycissts just wanted to spread hate for the sake of it. 😭😭😭

[@acrios90]

Genuinely I get confused at people getting angry about parts of the culture being coopted into general American culture, such as AAVE that Becomes wider slang, or Cultural Aesthetics becoming in fashion. Like I understand that because of the history it feels bad, but also It feels like that is the natural progression of more representation. If you and your culture is more widely represented in the media because of the progressive push to let black voices be heard the last like 30 years at this point., you will naturally have people be more influenced by those voices. America specifically is a melting pot of cultures. It IS American culture to take other cultural aesthetics and warp them into the wider culture. and naturally if Americans start doing something it spreads out because most of the English speaking world consumes a lot of American medial

[@X3nophiliac]

man im a recent subscriber and 6:00 rang really true. my mixed friend and i both are getting really tired of all the crybullies online. go off king! 🤴

[@oliVee_22]

9:31 fire emblem geneology of the holy war reference?

[@CerosTelevision]

what?

[@oliVee_22]

@@CerosTelevision mb I'm just fire emblem brainrotted I highly recommend fire emblem genealogy of the holy war. also just wanted to say you're one of my favourite yters ty so much for the great content

[@CerosTelevision]

@ np I’ve never played the game my friend but I’ll check it out

[@oliVee_22]

@@CerosTelevision you have no idea how much it means to me for one of my favorite youtubers to check out my favorite video game series

[@kloa4219]

It doesn't help that black users bully or edit the art of Japanese artists for painting slightly lighter black skins. Eastern people had a positive opinion of us before, but it is extremely negative thanks to those users.

[@chillero3heftig712]

my friend. if you annoy all sides, without straight up being violent, its confirmation that you advocate for the correct opinion.

[@antgc8893]

If this sort of mentality continues where both sides keep attacking each other, all that is gonna happen is that people will just cancel race swapping for all. No more Black Sepiroth, no more Miku latina, all race swaps will be considered wrong and we will all lose in this situation.

[@vand_alice]

I love you and your takes so much.

[@kirax_]

20min in and all he did was talk about black edits being inoffensive when it’s literally plagiarism and that they aren’t creative hence why people didn’t mind the Brazilian Miku art trend it’s always a black and white thing

[@ThatDamnedGamer1]

As much about that drama I know about is that the person that did the initial swap wasn't 16 but a voice actor. When it comes to Manga, there are more black people than there is white. There are no white people in Manga, they are all Asian, and you know what? I don't care and I don't need to see myself everywhere. With white washing, black washing, or gender swaps I'm against it in general. Swapping characters doesn't make you a part of something you're changing something that people love. So even if that change is out of love, it will never be perceived that way. Instead I want to see your characters, your designs, your stories, something new and we will never get that from just copying things and not making anything new. Rock came from Chuck Berry and I love the stuff he made, Elvis saw the promise of it and made it his own. Yes during that time he had a much easier time making something out of the new sound. From that we have 30 different genres of rock, Blues has the same story. When you make something that is good people will copy it, the trick is to make it your own. Then you really need some way to get into the industry in one form or another. Right now I'm making my own game, do you really want me to try to represent you with a black character? Black people may say yes, but if I do, you know how much pushback I would get from that?