The BLUE ZONES are a MYTH!

BUT THE BLUE ZONES?!? 🤦‍♂️ I discuss the Blue Zones in DETAIL in my book (out Feb 25th www.thecarnivor...) but in this snippet from yesterday’s podcast with @drterrywahls I discuss why they are little more than a fallacy. This is both cherrypicking at its best AND some “turning a blind” eye of Dan Buettner and his team to the SIGNIFICANT amounts of meat eaten in these locales (Sardinia, Ikaria, Nicoya, and Okinawa). There are MANY places in the world where people live to ripe old ages and ALSO eat large amounts of MEAT- like Hong Kong with its 85 year life expectancy and 1.5 pounds of meat eaten PER DAY average. The notion that people in “blue zones” eat plant based diets is pure 💩💩! What people DO in these regions is exercise, spend time with family, and finding meaning in their lives. They’ve also been shown to have clustering of variants in longevity genes (FOXO3,sirtiuns) in the case of Okinawans and New England centenarian communities. Furthermore, in Okinawa they LOVE PORK! Loma Linda a special case that I talk about later in this podcast and will post another snippet about tomorrow- but here’s the deal: consumption of fruits and vegetables there is associated with DECREASED FERTILITY IN MALES who demonstrate lower sperm counts and sluggish swimmers compared to meat eaters in that population. Makes you wonder what part of Loma Lindans is blue! 😆Check out the whole podcast (Fundamental Health) on iTunes and everywhere (including my KZbin channel). What do you guys think? Blue Zones: fact or fiction? Vegans, can we please put this silly fraudulent notion to rest?
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[@a.g.3079]

I worked and lived in many places in the mediterranean countries, in the country, they fed me up with local peasant food, plenty of fat, red meat, fish and dairy products, everywhere, suthern Spain, southern Italy, former Yugoslavia..., they eat a lot of meat every day, if they can afford.

[@HarrySerpanos]

Greeks love meat, my great granddad lived to 107 on dairy and meat.

[@SenorJuan2023]

Grass fed beef and dairy, no doubt. HUGE difference

[@HarrySerpanos]

@@SenorJuan2023 goat and sheep dairy, some river seafood, some lamb & goat and heaps of pork and lard, beef is mainly in northern Greece

[@SenorJuan2023]

@@HarrySerpanos Probably NOT factory farmed meat. HUGE difference

[@HarrySerpanos]

@@SenorJuan2023 yep, pastured in a mountainous environment. Greece is largely mountainous (approx. 80%) and rocky, but it is good pastural agriculture and in the low lands olive trees and some limited plant agriculture, mainly horticultural.

[@steveamores9806]

europe has casein A2 milk generally, usa casein A1 facts not fallacy

[@stephenmcsweeney357]

Everyone has their own narrative they are pushing, from Buettner to CarnivoreMD. But, the one thing they all have in common; STOP EATING PROCESSED FOOD!! I think we can all agree on this one😎

[@stephaniem7676]

With all the conflicting info out there and the lies I was taught in nursing school, it's hard to have a real set opinion. I've seen healthy vegans and healthy carnivores. I appreciate your knowledge. I hear this blue zone argument often from my vegan friends. Currently I maintain a "whole foods diet" and my husband follows carnivore and lost weight. Thank you for the videos. I am going to continue to learn and hear all sides.

[@lelezz3118]

I’m from Sardinia & my entire family grew up there, they eat a crap ton of pork & dairy. They love Pecorino & a maggot cheese called Casu Martzu which means rotten cheese.

[@idakristinedemesa5234]

From d video I watched, the entire Sardinia is not a blue zone. There’s just a small community of Sardinia, with a lot of centennarians.

[@MindDrip]

I just watched the Live to 100: Secrets of the Blue Zones series on Netflix and felt something was off, this clip confirmed my hunch, thanks. Netflix seems to have some kind of vegan agenda

[@つばき123]

Im okinawan and i can confirn we eat a lot of pork beef and seafood and we cook with butter and lard, but we also eat a lot of goya hijiki tofu sweet potatoe and jasmine green tea and spirulina

[@todd92371]

But, isn't this the reason for the dramatic change in health indices? I believe he discusses this fact alot. The transition from the more traditional studied diets to this new way of eating. And then the massive decline in health that is coming along with this.

[@mouaragon2774]

A lot of meat in Nicoya? No way! They do eat meat but most of our food is corn and veggies. Tho lard is used to cook some dishes.

[@idakristinedemesa5234]

I suppose you’re from Nicoya, right? Thank you for this info. People like us get confused what the truth is because of this “food war.

[@mindibear]

I’ve heard a lot of these people were born before they issued birth certificates or otherwise have poor government records so they are guessing when they were born which is often over estimated and we don’t know how old these people really are.

[@austinresch2362]

this i incredibly fascinating, do you remember where you heard this from?

[@mindibear]

@Austin Resch I think Dr Berg did a video about it.

[@mindibear]

@Alina McPherson No need for a condescending attitude.

[@sabrinapilia2539]

You are out of your mind, we have registry offices and our documents, and identify cards. My father is 101 and looks 85. You are a bunch of idiots

[@delilahjones6496]

I think the common trend among all these places where people are much healthier than the rest of the population is that they have little to no processed foods, low sugar, and sometimes low salt (Okinawa has too much salt and they are aware of that). They also don't drink a lot of sugary drinks. I think the bottom line is eat what mother nature provides and cook from scratch as often as possible.

[@dude861]

Yep, nobody could ever debate that. Besides, the "longest living populations" seem to be crowded in places, where there haven't been proper birth certificates. Okinawa is the best example, where hundreds of thousands of the centenarians where found to be missing (because they already died, but someone wanted to receive their pensions or whatever).

[@roripantsu]

they key to longevity is eating less

[@raquelfernandez5514]

I was less than two months ina whole “healthy” plant based diet, with vegetables but also whole grains and legums every day) and my period turns crazy and I begin to have a lot of breakouts (acne) the plant based diet doesn’t work to everybody, please listen to your body. Sorry for my english I’m spanish 😅

[@נירהבןעליז]

i've been vegan since 2017 and at first the body really reacts to the change but after a few months i started feeling much better

[@raymondknight2281]

Very intriguing. Thank you for breaking it down - when I heard the concept of a "Blue Zone" I had a healthy amount of skepticism rush over me. Good to see this notion debunked.

[@jaybanks7718]

I think if you watch it again, he didn't really debunk it. What he said was, these people are healthy, but these other people are also healthy.

[@Stoneabba9999]

Incorrect, they eat far less meat that others. Some eat more meat. But I guess if it’s organic it makes a difference.

[@donnafarley]

THANK YOU Dr. Paul! In my heart of hearts, I knew this anyway. :)

[@SenorJuan2023]

Dr. Paul told a lot of lies in this video. LOL

[@tommcgowan6000]

Okay. if they eat meat that's fine, but do they NOT eat a crap ton of beans, legumes, and veggies in these Blue Zones. Seems like they do.

[@dallasburns7806]

The Blue Zones diets aren’t about not eating meat! But they do prove that you aren’t going to die from eating plant based. The avg. protein intake of Sardinians is lower than 50 grams a day.

[@changthunderwang1294]

They didn't eat plant based their entire lives. They temporarily ate plant based after the bombings of WW2.

[@highcarbwarrior1720]

Great point. Even now people cannot recall the time that it used to be acceptable to say a plant based diet was unhealthy and bad for you. I used to be one of those guilty of doing so. The point most plant based advocates are trying to make is there are healthy populations eating 70 to 90 percent from plants hence it isn't unhealthy for somebody to do a 100 percent plant based diet. They conveniently ignore most vegans are following the life style for ethical and environmental reasons and many might even eat meat if grown in a lab. So the idea is in the interim, eating plants can keep you healthy whilst lowering emissions and not condoning factory farming etc. Not that animal protein itself is bad at any level, but best avoided in the circumstances today unless necessary

[@Tony_Margabro]

@@changthunderwang1294 The ultimate cause for why they eat such a way is irrelevant, because their health and livelihood speaks for itself

[@changthunderwang1294]

@@Tony_Margabro So you admit all the pork they ate pre-war is good for their health?

[@Tony_Margabro]

@@changthunderwang1294 What? I said their health status NOW indicates that they’re diet is healthy

[@ThePeasantsDaughter]

Thank you. This topic, and the bizarre western notion of what a "Mediterranean diet" looks like drives me bonkers.

[@dylanhanson5650]

Same

[@dylanhanson5650]

The modern "Nordic diet" inception is just as bad. Each of these brandings is just different packaging for the same damned reccomendations (whole grains, legumes, and vegetables). The modern dietician stchick is pretty lame and I can't wait till it's over. "Oh your getting sick from proccessed crap and not regulating insulin spikes appropriately? Here, try eating these meals literally no one particularly enjoys eating, and nevermind the gut rot those kind of meals entail".

[@fmlutube]

I dont understand your comment. The Meidterranean is in the West. It is the craddle and the quintessential West. I live in the Mediterranean. We study our traditional Mediterranean diets here too. What we have here is very, very similar to what I find in the publications on the topic coming from outside the Mediterranean region (such as North America). I would like to better understand your criticism.

[@明智吾郎-e4b]

​@@fmlutube The internet is the perfect place for disinformation.

[@shellderp]

I was born in the Mediterranean, all I remember was shawarma, fish, cheese

[@casper-z9rkls6gl]

Dr. Saladino accuses others of cherry-picking, exaggerations and omissions. "Plant-based" doesn't mean _exclusively_ plants, but _predominantly_ plants. Beutner emphasizes that none of the Blue Zones are vegetarian, the most common meat being pork (but apparently you want to bury this fact for fear of being labeled politically incorrect, i.e. a "racist"). Everyone who has read on the subject knows that Okinawans traditionally do eat pork, but not as a stable; it's more of a condiment, their most popular food being the bitter melon (an alkaline food). In Ikaria, they do eat cheese and poultry and sheep, but again, much of their diet is vegetables kzbin.info/www/bejne/anyrgpmEZqaLsKc

[@alexbrass4823]

Yesss exactly !

[@codeworld4172]

Exactly, it’s stress, lifestyle, no pesticides, special fruit and berry meals, exercise The only myth here is that guy being worth listening to

[@jsunproter1940]

I'm hearing your arguments and they may or may not be valid but where did you get your data from? The blue zones also focuses on centenarians. You brought up Hong Kong and Iceland but the populations of those 2 are significantly lower than the blue zones. I agree that there are other countries with an abnormal amount of centenarians like Uruguay, Spain, France, Puerto Rico, Cuba as well. its possible Buettner got some things wrong and some things right. That doesnt mean its all a complete fallacy however.

[@adunpassodalcuore38]

I m French and we eat a lot of meat cheese and butter....

[@machellediemart292]

Actually, meat consumption has increased only recently in Okinawa, starting in the 80s and 90s, and the observations are that higher meat consumption among Okinawans has led to higher rates of heart disease, cancer, and other western diseases.

[@Black-Circle]

have you not seen how westernised OKINAWA is now? it's full of americans and their junk crap. it's not the traditional food of the past

[@el.don1975]

Vilcabamba in Ecuador was a "bluezone" until it became a blue zone, tourist started showing up in cars and buses bringing pollution. Cell phone towers proccesed food ect. Now the centerians are dropping like flies. I live in a small town on the coast in Ecuador, Bahia de Caraquez, same thing. Theres a lot of elder vitality people here, active into their late 90 -100s. But the younger generation age fast and die young. Also I can feel my vitaly go way way up when I am just 15 minutes outside of town (off the grid sort of speak) no cell towers car pollution. No airplanes ect. Anywhere you find that you will find your "bluezone" .

[@ClickToPreview]

Not to mention the lack of fast food, refined sugars, grains, and starches, as well as other things fried in vegetable-based seed oils. It's not the meat, it's the white flour you cover it in and the vegetable oil you fry it in that is screwing us up.

[@takeoffyourblinkers]

Where ever western food goes, sickness isn't far behind.

[@el.don1975]

Meat. Milk. eggs.butter.cheese. some vine ripe fruit. Like papaya. Banana. Apples pears Mangos when there in seaons.wild honey!

[@todd92371]

I think the one thing that is being misunderstood is that the health indices are actually declining with the transition to non-traditional diets. Most of the studies are studying the traditional diets and their benefits. Okinawa for example. The influx of the "Western diet" is completely changing the benefits of the more traditional diets. But the study has many important implications to the modern health.. 1-Family 2-Clean foods 3-movement 4-traditions 5 - Environment dictating health. I really don't see how these important facets of life need to be shelved away into non-importance. Derive from it what you find beneficial. One more important book on the shelf.

[@ejcash7234]

I'm Greek and this "Blue Zone" theory is crap. Icarians are known from the rest of Greece to shun hard work. That's one of the reasons they live long. For the rest, their habits are exactly like the rest of Greece save for those living in the large cities Athens, Salonika, Pirea, etc. They smoke, drink, eat meat, have their Greek boiled coffee, etc. What differentiates them from the Gringos is that they socialize more and eat in moderation as well as they grow their vegetables organically without having Mosanto on their backs.

[@chantalbaxter9126]

Hi! I think it's possible that you didn't do enough research. In the cookbook, it says that a lot of these zones now look like a S.A.D., with copious amounts of meat, dairy, and processed foods. It's the diets of 60-100 years ago that centarians supposedly eat that are less of those items. The older generations aren't quick to rush into eating and trying new things so they continue with the diet they grew up with and know really well. Edit: if you have information that contradicts the above, then please let me know! I by no means follows this diet, just have the cookbook.

[@brotendo]

It sounds like you're trying to justify or defend your beliefs because there is existing information that contradicts it.

[@chantalbaxter9126]

@@brotendo Did you read the edit? Seems as if you may have missed it. I'm open to opposing information and typically follow what science says (meta-analysis is preferable). If you have opposing info, send it!

[@idakristinedemesa5234]

Thanks for the info. I havent read the book yet.

[@whiteswordwarrior9995]

Most books on it arent based on any facts

[@bentrider]

One thing that seldom gets examined is how many calories Blue Zone people eat. I would love to find some research on that aspect. One hears quite often how reducing caloric intake slows metabolism. Well, there is ample research that shows that when we eat less and slow our metabolism, we also slow the aging process. This has me intrigued and I am currently searching to see if there is a connection.

[@jaybanks7718]

I think this is a spot on comment. I have a cousin that married a woman from the Philippines. I was talking to her and she said that the amount of rice she makes for my cousin would feed two to four people in her village. She was in her late 30s or 40s, and looked like she was in her 20s. We are just shoveling food in here, and can't figure out why we are sick.

[@bentrider]

@@jaybanks7718 thank you for your reply. Since I wrote my comment, I have done much more research on the blue zones. It turns out that I was correct in my assumption that all of the zones have one thing in common... they eat much fewer calories than Americans typically do.

[@weightlossat50]

All the people I know who lived past 90 ate little meat many veggies were active. They feast on meat a couple of times a year. All the people I know who lived under 80 all ate meat everyday.

[@imhassane]

Exactly the same thing I’ve witnessed in my life. In my family we live generally ver very long and we all eat huge amount of vegetables and some animal foods.

[@SenorJuan2023]

Re: Sardinia, the Blue Zone is a section of the Island, not the entire island. More lies by this doctor. SMH

[@jeffreyjohnson7359]

Instead of trying to prove yourself right, ALWAYS TRY TO PROVE YOURSELF WRONG. If you assume you're wrong, you'll avoid a lot of confirmation bias. Remember, fools and fanatics are sure of themselves, wiser people are full of doubt.

[@ryanray6215]

The real Blue Zone are in the Buckingham Palace .

[@wellnesspathforme6236]

Winner, winner, chicken dinner! One of their friends went public because they believe it is "natural law" that they do so. You will find what they have to say quite interesting, IMHO. Go to Archive.org, and search "Ro[insert "fs" here]child" in the search bar (NOT the Wayback Machine search bar). The guy is almost certainly real as evidence by his knowledge and correct focus for his position. He reveals a LOT, too, including about diet. But he's clear that they believe blood type plays a role in diet, so if you aren't type A- and nutrient dense, their plan might not work as well for you. The principle of eating in line with nature (humanely treated animals, not torture chambered animals) stands.

[@vincewhite5087]

Costa Rica , sardina & Okinawa are family connected.

[@hugtango]

Man I am Mediterranean(genotype Franco italico scandinavian), south east of France/Italian border and greek islands. We eat a significant amount of meat, pork wild bore, dry saussages, ham, sheep, goat, ..... We eat meat clearly

[@klila16]

Interesting you brought up family. I believe people with better social connections also live longer on average. Also people who interact more with their natural environment. The light from electronics is hormone disrupting as well.

[@alexmagor]

As soon as he mentioned Hong Kong he lost credibility. Hong Kong high meat consumption is new among the younger not older generations and they have not eaten such a high meat diet for enough time or generations to see the long term effect. The other areas have maintained their diet for many generations.

[@robocop581]

Hong Kongers eat a lot of pork Einstein

[@meandy3508]

Winston Churchill was overweight, smoked drank and and suffered for what we now know as depression, live to 90. Field marshal Montgomery who was completely opposite to Churchill, a teetotaler fitness fanatic and lived until he was 88 you go and figure. How long are you going to live is in genes end off

[@idakristinedemesa5234]

Some people are blessed to have good genes.

[@4311446]

Loving these small videos.

[@SchmittsPeter]

Nice - looking forward to the whole cast.

[@klle3419]

no one in the documentary said you can’t eat any meat - or that they don’t eat any meat. they said they eat a lot of veggies and actually a lot of carbs also. they are getting a balanced diet weather they don’t eat meat or eat meat and that in combination with other healthy habits are the traits of places with the most centerians The Mormons don’t have the most centurion just because they have an average lifespan that is the same as Loma Linda I feel like Paul was or is definitely smart enough to understand these things however, his obsession with being carnivore makes him very blind to it all The fact that these places eat a lot of carbohydrates and grains - is also something which paul needs to focus on- as he classifies grains and veggies as negative things - and fruit before also

[@wraymcclamma4707]

There is a blue zone in Russia. Meat veggies and honey. Little vodka. Old school though

[@benjaminbritt7862]

There's a bunch of poop on her book shelf 👀

[@ashkaunadib7638]

Almost all those blue zones eat meat. Just not a lot of it. Hong Kong is similar. The whole island of Okinawa is not a blue zone. Just a small part of it. Diet isn’t everything. Lifestyle is a very large piece. All the research studies on Blue Zones mention this.

[@takeoffyourblinkers]

Paul, will you be getting an audio version of your book?

[@Hoireabard]

The appropriate measure is longevity, not the color of a zone. The Blue Zone measured the diet of centenarians . They eat a 95% plant based diet and it has been a part of the culture for centuries. If this doctor can actually provide data to show other zones which eat mostly meat 🥩 have centenarians in equal percentages he should provide the hard data. He’s clearly just talking. Does he make money from selling the idea that one should eat animals and a meat based diet?

[@knowerzark]

Well yes, if you look at his other posts. Monetised meat eater. Full disclosure I eat meat too and would not give it up easily, but it’s hard to argue against plant based diets being generally beneficial. Over to you doc.

[@museitup4741]

Would love it if you did a whole comprehensive video on this topic

[@joe1071]

Notice how he doesn't have any evidence of blue zones on carnivore diets

[@Lucianaximenes1]

Thanks Dr. Paul I love your podcasts. When I first listen to your podcast I could not understand you as you speak too fast. English is my second language but know I can understand clearly... And I have been listening to your previous podcasts.. Hahaha...

[@angryahole]

hey dr. saladino! you forgot to mention maggot cheese in sardinia! that will really shatter a vegans worldview! sardinians love cheese so much that they will eat it with maggots!

[@SenorJuan2023]

The Blue Zone in Sardinia is a SECTION of the island, not the entire island. Dr. Paul is lying so you buy his book.

[@Siegebot1]

As much as I enjoy your long form content Paul, my personal wish is for you to not to become one of the people who continuosly spit out a whole lot of short videos with ad-like thumbnails. I think you are a rad, and your strength is in looking at things wholistically and with great attention to detail, and short snippets like this one often leave too much out to be anything but a video referred to in some dumb argument on twitter.

[@knowerzark]

So the guy with a gimmick or barrow to push pushes his barrow, and the other guy has his own barrow upset so he bags the other guy’s barrow. To be clear, this Carnivore MD guy has been a physician for all of 4 years. He’s trying to sell stuff just like the blue zones guy. I suspect he has less rigour behind his hypothesis though.

[@SenorJuan2023]

This doctor is lying about the Okinawan Diet. They eat very little meat, at least historically. All you have do is google the damn information, Dr. Paul!!! Their main food is purple yams.

[@jglee6721]

Google? You're an idiot.

[@SenorJuan2023]

@Artoria Pendragon LMFAO

[@SenorJuan2023]

@@jglee6721 Speaking of idiots, you're disrespecting all the great information at your fingertips? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

[@SenorJuan2023]

@@jglee6721 You're too lazy or too stupid to google? Which one?

[@Dabs_kitchen]

Saying that people eat little amounts of meat with a lot of whole grains and vegetables is saying that they are on a whole food plant based diet 😂😂😂 wild ! So yes in the blue zones they eat meat 🥩 but it’s still a whole food plant based diet 😂😂😂. Not a meat heavy diet !!! So you just proved that your diet is not ideal lol

[@GodmadeTrends]

That makes no sense. If they eat meat, even just small amount. They cannot be on a plant based diet. Whole foods and plant based diets are two different things

[@zephyronfire3821]

Dr Saladino, big hello from Canada! You simply rock! I lived in Nunavut (Coppermine in English) for 3 years and seriously ‘know’ an all meat, traditional Inuit diet is superior to our grocery store isle lifestyle. The way they “Lived” and many whom continue to live a traditional lifestyle are robustly healthy, hunt for their food and never once have to hop on a treadmill....they are stealthy, incredibly strong, peaceful and joyful people, who can pinpoint you spatially from hundreds of yards away b/c of their healthy vision due to their omega 3 consumption, no doubt. The families who have adopted European lifestyle habits, are sadly, more like us down ‘south’ with regard to the modern day health issues abounding (Type II, heart disease, dental carries, etc). For them to disregard the Arctic as a “Blue Zone” is a testimony to their leftist dogma. Sorry...had to say all of that. I actually would not watch the whole re-cap of the show due to its complete wolf pack mentality...the irony there, right? -Maybe vegetable consumption promotes aggression? Lol...In the end, I believe that this kind of attack mentality and self-righteous arrogance will eventually (and quite ironically), consume them.

[@gribbler1695]

Saladino in his book refers to a flawed study, and shows a bias in presenting the research. Read this summary from Dr Neal Barnard on the true situation: www.huffpost.com/entry/eskimo-myth_b_5268420

[@gregbartlett5818]

The Inuits have a considerably shorter lifespan (10 increasing to 12 years shorter) than non indigenous i.e. the rest of the Canadian population. They suffer high respiratory cancer rates, accidental deaths and suicide (the later two obviously not diet based). The Research Paper I read though didn't actually say why they have such high cancer rates. I wonder if they have a high percentage that still smoke?? Quote: "In 1991, life expectancy in the Inuit-inhabited areas had been 10 years less than in Canada overall, with a wider gap for females (11 years) than for males(9 years) (Table 6). By 2001, the difference was more than 12 years, and the gap was similar for males and females. At 67 years in 2001, life expectancy in the Inuit-inhabited areas was about what life expectancy had been for all Canada in 1946." Source: www.researchgate.net/publication/5396110_Life_expectancy_in_the_Inuit-inhabited_areas_of_Canada_1989_to_2003

[@vincewhite5087]

Costa Rica, and sardina didn’t at like keys pushed.

[@barrywallisable]

Hi, are you releasing your book through Apple iBooks?

[@boparks3204]

Thank you, I just bought into this myth.

[@hectven]

The average meat consumption of Nicoya is not the highest in Costa Rica. Youre wrong. The presumtion that the Blue Zones have bad diet is relative to people lifestyle. O don't know how acurate is the category of Blue Zones to consider them as Myth but im not convince of any of your statements

[@SenorJuan2023]

Dr. Paul, telling people what they want to hear, instead of the truth. He needs to lose his medical license for such nonsense.

[@alexbrass4823]

Ya it’s disheartening to see people eating up everything that he says as if he truly has pure intentions and is not completely biased. Maybe I am wrong but he rly seems to just be trying to make money off his supplements and take advantage of this carnivore movement/echo chamber...rly hope I am wrong tbh but something rly seems off about this guy and I hate to see ppl get tricked, especially with something as important as diet/health

[@pinkpiglet71]

@@alexbrass4823 tricked into what?

[@ilegor365]

Can we consider that the dependance on animal based foods and plant based foods varied according to seasons and climates and geography? And that animal foods and plant based foods were rarely combined in the same meals, i.e. when meat was available we feasted on this nutrient rich food, and then toggled back to plant based foods? So what about a combined diet made up of 100% carnivore meals and 100% plant based meals, e.g. a couple of carnivore days followed by a couple of vegan days. It seems to me that many health issues arise when we abundantly mix carbs and fats in the same meals resulting in e.g. insulin resistance and all the ailments that follow.

[@melodyengle7835]

Inaki Legorburu : The Principle of Proper Food Combining. This was a concept I read about that was part of Natural Hygiene in the book “Fit For Life” (I and II) by Harvey & Marilyn Diamond written in the 1980’s. In this concept though, you’re not supposed to combine protein and carbohydrates. Natural Hygiene has 3 basic principles, all pertaining to digestion. I still follow the principles and a lot of the information that was in their books. If you get a chance and you haven’t read them (and you can find the books) they are worth reading IMO. Diet, like everything else in this world, is a personal choice!

[@ilegor365]

@@melodyengle7835 thanks for sharing. I still have one of their books in my bookcase ☺. What struck me from the food combining chart is that the protein foods, including nuts and olives, are mainly high fat foods. The more I learn about insulin resistance, the more I am inclined towards not combining fats with carbs, rather than protein with carbs, e.g. both grains and legumes are high in protein and carbs. To complicate matters, Ayurveda also has its own thoughts on food combining.

[@melodyengle7835]

Inaki Legorburu : I got introduced to the Fit For Life books by my gym trainer/friend. She told me about them because I was having really bad stomach problems and I need to lose weight. Two birds one stone. Helped part of my problems and I lost 70 lbs. Still took years to find out I’m gluten intolerant (thought it was meat that was the problem). I don’t really post much but yours caught my eye and yes you maybe on to something with the fat combining with carbohydrates in certain foods. Because of GI problems I’m switching from KETO to CARNIVORES or KETOVOR haven’t decided which yet. I love asparagus, artichoke, and Brussels sprouts; everything else can go lol. Would like to know more about Ayurveda view on food combinations. By the name it sounds like it comes from India.

[@ilegor365]

@@melodyengle7835 Ayurveda is indeed a traditional Indian approach to health and healing, but it really has not influenced these thoughts on food combining. To cut a long story short I switched from whole food plant based, to keto, to carnivore, and am now experimenting with my own advice 🙄 which is toggling between (a) zero carb carnivore meals and (b) meals with minimal (zero) fat (plant based but without the nuts and olives and oils and avocados, and including low fat animal products such as cottage cheese and butter milk). Carnivore has worked very well for me, and this modified approach now appears to work just as well. This hybrid approach will hopefully provide the flexibility to make it sustainable, because as much as I can enjoy eating meat, I love my veggies and fruits as well.

[@melodyengle7835]

Inaki Legorburu : Looks like through experimentation you have found the path that works for you. I’m still trying to find what works best for me. I think that’s what this is all about, what works best for each one of us. Although there are some basic principles or guidelines people can go by. That’s were the books, theories, etc. come in. I’ve been at this since the 1980’s ( on a personal level) and it’s all trial and error.

[@tavroaar8173]

What a bunch of lies! This guy is spreading so much misinformation!

[@29rca]

Watched the new series on netflix. Maybe I need to adjust my tinfoil hat but 5-10% of calories from meat sounds like BS. I was thinking yes author is likely over target regarding lifestyle.

[@alexmattina1]

All of your points are anecdotal lmfao. The author actually went to those countries and experienced and did research on the diets consumed in these areas. You, did not

[@shootingod]

@Artoria Pendragon False. The book had lots of data collection and research poured into it , the people’s ages, recording what they ate, their lifestyle habits etc.

[@shootingod]

@Artoria Pendragon Read the book 🤣. Speaking to hundreds of different people on the history of what their cultures ate, speaking to the 110 year olds that were still healthy and what they ate, birth certificates and age records. It’s full blown science that a plant based diet is keen for longevity and overall health. Do your research it’s not debatable

[@akhusal]

Did he watch and video what these people eat for their whole life? Clearly not so there is no proof.

[@Dstylz]

I have the book and in the book he says that he did not include any meat recipes but admits that meat is a small portion of the diets.

[@Maikigai]

I think your reasoning for discounting the studies in the Blue Zones is quite flawed. You said, specifically about Okinawans, that they eat (present-tense) more meat than most of Japan. While that may be true today, the study looks back almost 100 or more years to what what has been done from then to now. Okinawans today, largely, are not doing as well because of western influence. Nonetheless, aside from the SDA’s in Loma Linda, CA., meat has always been a part of a Blue Zones diet, just not the main course or go-to food. The use of the term “cherry picked” is also rather silly because he didn’t just pick them at random; these zones had to fix a certain criteria. Likewise, communities that have invited Buettner and crew to implement BZ methods have shown a positive change in improving mortality rates, lowering obesity, diabetes, and a whole host of other diseases that tend to lower health in people.

[@vermontmike9800]

This doctor bashing the blue zones is cherry picking himself. In previous books and TV interviews, Buettner does indeed show Okinawans eating pork, Sardinians eating sheep’s milk based precirono and Ikarians eating some lamb. Mormons are discouraged from eating beef heavy foods, so he’s wrong there. Even in VT, the seventh day adventists advertise vegetarian (not vegan) cooking classes and lifestyle.

[@Black-Circle]

no human populations is healthy on only plants thats fact

[@rjfriz5159]

I Agree, I’ve been to South central Italy several times and they eat pork, lamb, and cured meats frequently. Also fish, but no salmon- as so frequently identified in the so called “Mediterranean diet”

[@siegfriedfurtwanglerknappe6188]

You have been to Italy? Wow you must be an expert then.

[@rjfriz5159]

Sorry I addressing the so called “Mediterranean diet” -fabricated in the US.

[@siegfriedfurtwanglerknappe6188]

@@rjfriz5159 You are American, aren't you?

[@siegfriedfurtwanglerknappe6188]

@Alina McPherson You're *

[@Morowinger]

Tha stupid princk who doesn’t know where Sardinia is. Dude take a map. 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡

[@stephenbrown2054]

But did deeper. Look at the longitudinal Adventist study with 70,000 subjects. The ones that ate the least meat had the lowest diabetes and other diseases and lived longer.

[@Dabs_kitchen]

So your saying over consumption of saturated fat and cholesterol is actually healthy??? And not harmful at all ??? The reason they are healthy is because they limit the amount saturated fat and cholesterol….. so your wrong ! And they don’t feast every day … oh and they eat a lot of vegetables so how is that not plant based ????

[@tonijurkones9797]

Hello 👋💙💜❤️👍

[@Dabs_kitchen]

How do they get there pigs 😂 they are not mass producing meat 😂. I like how you just say stuff without evidence 😂. No educated person is going to take this serious 😂

[@SwoleTown]

What people eat now isn't the same that they were eating 40-60 years ago. It's difficult now to study this properly. Either way, we have other studies, and plenty of them, examining mediterranean diets vs. other diets.. we know for sure that eating plants isn't hurting your lifespan, and is probably extending it. There's no merit to the "plants are bad" argument. There's also no real merit to the "eat nothing but meat diet." I say this, because people are individuals with different needs.. one person eats meat only, and is in great health... another does that, and his ApoB levels shoot to the moon. there is no such thing as an "optimal" diet, unless you're talking about a sample of N=1.

[@rachelobrien7627]

Will there be a paperback or hardcover version of your book?

[@nataliechanel9319]

yes, not to mention the blue zones book has very poor referencing! Always new it was a myth.

[@SenorJuan2023]

like Dr. Paul's book?

[@JuliaB1955]

Maybe people should eat according to the locus of their DNA. Mediterranean diet (sans meat) is appealing to me. I'm a French-Italian person (65%) and north African (Egypt, Somalia). I don't eat meat because (a) body parts gross me out and (b) too much reprehensible treatment of animals, especially by the disgusting Chinese who torture animals mercilessly (FACT!). To each their own. Only one go-round as the person you are now. Maybe in the next life you'll have a different outlook.

[@Black-Circle]

All you need to do is search. "why im no longer vegan" thats it

[@dimitriosnamiseniazei5072]

In Ikaria people used to follow the general Mediterranean diet. They used to eat meat YES but only 1 time per week and in festivals. It was grass fed lamb and goat. No pork no beef. Crete was famous for its high centeterian percentage among the general population ( you can do you own research about that ) and their diet was quite similar with Ikarians as well. Nowadays Cretans eat junk food, pork ,beef etc drink a terrible distilled spirit called "tsikoudia" or "raki" (old fellas used to drink only red wine in moderation) In the past Cretans were following an extreme fish-olive oil - plant based diet. The majority of the herbs and the plants that were used in their cousine are under extinction nowadays.(βρούβες,σταμναγκάθι,λαγουδόχορτο,αχατζίκι,κουτσουνάδες, μαντινάδες,ασκρόλυμποι and a lot more)