The Book that inspired Game of Thrones (A look at The Dragonbone Chair and it's influence on ASOIAF)

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The longer follow up to my first impressions video and the prelude to my final video on the book (pending when I finish it)...
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[@ShadowDogProduction]

I keep wondering if this is Preston Jacobs with a pitch shifted voice. This is a compliment on how good this channel is.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

That is literally the highest complement I can receive

[@tempertempernow]

Seriously!!!!!

[@TH3DUDE0075]

Except this is better because Preston Jacobs can’t seem to do a single stream without bringing his leftist woke politics into a discussion that should be completely removed from real world current day politics - but as he is literally a deep state leech on the federal government dole, it’s not surprising.

[@whyonthefall5373]

Nice. I think it's also possibly obvious to look to stories like The Wheel of Time by Robert Jordan and especially the Elric Saga by Michael Moorcock in which George took inspiration. For instance, the whole Azor Ahai prophecy, as well as Perrin and Bran's similarities of controlling and befriending wolves, and the importance of dreams in all three series. Also, a weak comparison: Whitecloaks in WoT and Goldcloaks are slightly similar. But mainly, you see a lot of the lore on the Valyrian side have startling similarities to the Melnibonéan island and the rule of the Melnibonéan dragon rider sorcerers. Both Valyria and Melniboné are viewed as once mighty island empires that have fallen from grace. Both are dragon riding sorcerer societies with propensities for incest and cruelty, with access to Chaotic magics. The Valyrians are nearly always pale skinned and fair haired, based off of Elric's albinism. Furthermore the sword Darkfyre and Bloodraven who wields it bear many similarities to Elric and his blade. It's also important to note that Moorcock and Martin were/are good friends, the name "Stormbringer", Elric's black, soul-stealing blade, being shouted in the show, during Joffry's wedding when he is naming his Valyrian steel blade. (Valyrian steel is also black in the books, similar in colour to Stormbringer and Mornblade.) I really like both series, the lore of each being highly distinct and amazing in their own rights. I just think it's interesting to note possible similarities.)

[@arthurcosta9482]

Who is Norns and what they want??What's their story? I can't read english so well

[@espalier]

I just listened to the armor polishing but a few days ago, my second listening to the whole thing. I was way more excited this time to understand that the Dr had witchwood. Good stuff.

[@mcocchiola]

Keep up the great work man! I'm loving the comparison to this series.

[@DuckRon626]

I just finished The Dragonbone Chair. Really loved it despite the show start. Finished quite well, indeed. Also, recently finished A Storm of Swords, book 3 in A Song of Ice and Fire. Both series are very good and I'm looking forward the the next book in both series. Loved your video. Well, except for the minutes of blank screen while you read passages.

[@billychops1280]

That dragon chair also reminds me of the sea stone chair of the ironborn, made by Naga the great sea dragon slain by the grey king. The rimers men also seem like an ironborn and anal mix

[@andrewlavigne44]

Nice video! I love your narration and choice of quotes and illustration. Look forward to your further thoughts. Also, if you continue with the new books the Last King ones are specifically Williams saying he loved how GRRM took some concepts from his work and ran with them to a new original story and wanted to do something similar with GRRM's concepts, so you could do a reverse comparison video. The biggest thing that comes to mind in terms of ASOIAF comparison in MST is Towser saying "All men must die" like 5 pages in. There's also the red comet in the sky/the star. Also, once you reach the prologue of Green Angel Tower there are even bigger parallels to Stannis' storyline. I also recall a conversation in Green Angel Tower that seems to be the basis for GRRM's take on knights and nobles and is similar to one Jamie has in flashback to his youth during A Storm of Swords (it's about honor and stories vs. reality).

[@keirangrant1607]

The Dragonbone chair, huh? Nah, I dont see any similarities with the Iron Throne and dragons...... lol. I think I have my next audiobook for my drive to. MD

[@randominternetguyoffical]

I'm also experiencing in audio form, it's quite good😎

[@keirangrant1607]

@@randominternetguyoffical In my Darth Sidious voice, "excellent!"

[@mlawlor472]

Reminds me of the seastone chair.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

I had that same thought after the editing and i was like.. well its for a future video XD

[@mlawlor472]

@@randominternetguyoffical really like your videos and channel. If you need ideas to prove/disprove let me know!

[@randominternetguyoffical]

@@mlawlor472 I mean you can always drop anything you can think of and I can add it to the list! I tend to kinda chose topics at random based on the ones I have lying around lol

[@alexgdsu7785]

i know this is an old video, i keep coming back to it cus i love MST and wish there was more Tad Williams content like this. did you ever finish MST? if so, do you plan on doing more videos on it? that would be amazing

[@iainhansen1047]

Great video

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Thank you my good Ser

[@iainhansen1047]

@@randominternetguyoffical by the way I just bought a copy of the the first book from my local book store today. Thanks for recommending it!

[@randominternetguyoffical]

@@iainhansen1047 Very nice! Tell me your thoughts on it once you get into it, I'm always curious to see if I missed stuff and hear other perspectives.

[@GeminibBorn]

I am convinced, going to have to check this out. Great video.

[@PoorPersonsBookReviewer]

Great video I'm reading the GAT right now and loving it. Can't believe there isn't more videos made about this series

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Check out Kevin Pendragon! He's where I first learned of the series. I totally agree its a rather under appreciated series, particularly among asoiaf fans who defiantly should check it out.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Also just peeped your channel, you cover a ton of books! Im gonna have to watch the man in the high castle review, I never read it or saw the hbo series, but I've had it recommended before.

[@jclaburn]

Excellent video! Thank you. It's been many years since I read the Dragon Bone Chair, but I wanted a comparison, so I went looking for a video on the topic. This was perfect!

[@InterestingNerdClub]

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[@randominternetguyoffical]

Put me on the pre-sale list!

[@michaeldelving8033]

This is a GREAT series! I can't wait until you get to the part in MS&T about Arya and Simon Snow!

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Ive yet to return to the book cuz I got very distracted but I'll do a video on my full impressions soon as I wrap it up 🙂

[@MrSilvUr]

Sidhe (if that's the word) is generally pronounced "Shee", like the pronoun. It is more accurately (to the Gaelic language it comes from) pronounced like "Sheath", but with a *very* light "th" sound on the end. Sort of like how the "s" sound in "These" is lighter than the one in "Cease", if that makes sense. Heh.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

That makes sense tbh, I was just pronouncing it how the audiobook guy does XD

[@MrSilvUr]

@@randominternetguyoffical Hah! That's funny. This is a good video, by the way!

[@MrSilvUr]

I've been wanting to read Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn because of it's relationship to ASoIaF for a while now. Your videos have put me back on the idea, and I just picked up a copy of The Dragonbone Chair from a local used book store.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

@@MrSilvUr Thats fantastic, drop me your thoughts on it when you dive in and let me know what you've found cool

[@MrSilvUr]

@@randominternetguyoffical Will do!

[@cliffordrose4335]

I came to the conclusion years ago that George RR Martin read the late 1980's New York Times #1 Best-seller "Pillars of the Earth's by Ken Follet prior to beginning to compose his aSoI&F book series in the early 1990's. Jon Stewart (Snow) meet your inspiration Jack Builder the protagonist from "Pillars of the Earth".. It feeds the Brandon + Asahara = Jon theorists and the mysterious shipwreck that claimed the lives of Robert Baratheon's noble parents. Just check it out!!

[@randominternetguyoffical]

I will definitely have to take a look, thanks for mentioning it!

[@cliffordrose4335]

@@randominternetguyoffical No problem. I was once a big B+A=J guy so when I saw "Pillars of the Earth" on Starz (also available on KZbin) the scene of Jack Builder's conception raised a red flag for me. Jon Steward (Jon Snow) vs Jack Builder was the question for me and then Lord Varys was there in the Red Keep at the time too if needed to facilitate the secret lover's tryst of Brandon and Asahara down in the Black Cells as the dungeon master Rugen. It was curious to me. Asahara wanted Lord Varys to free her secret paramour but Lord Varys answered " When you look at me . . . do you see a hero?". Lord Varys loves collecting favors from prominent people like the most desirable young woman in the Realm so the most he was willing to do was sneak her in so she could give Brandon his "last meal" on the eve of his execution as he was chained to the wall by his ankle just like how Jack Builder was conceived in "Pillars of the Earth".

[@arthurcosta9482]

Who is Norns and what they want??What's their story? I can't read english so well

[@Redundant_underscore]

I think at some points, "inspired" is a generous term.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

I think homage is what GRRM intended at many times in his work, like very clearly directly referring a previous work but within his own universe. Certainly he was very intentional in the parallels and from what I've seen both authors enjoy each others writings. If I were Williams I would be flattered that GRRM got so much out of my work. Hopefully it will lead to some interest for film adaptations too cuz like it would be dope to see tDBC become a series either of films or of episodes.

[@Redundant_underscore]

@@randominternetguyoffical - I may be biased because of my affection for MSAT, but the similarities at times are so blatant that I feel Martin should have given Williams an acknowledgement in ASOIAF, if he didn't.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

@@Redundant_underscore You could have a point there I know GRRM has done a lot of pushing to get eyes on his friends work in recent years, like to the point of angering fans cuz they think he's putting off his books lol But I wonder if he's that close to Williams? I suppose he could drop the MSAT name more in general tho maybe? Like put out that the books exist in interviews more?

[@ZoidbergCZ]

@@randominternetguyoffical It depends where one is willing to draw a line. All artists essentially syncretise what they know and Martin is one of those who show sources of their inspiration very obviously. For example, once upon a time there was a Croatian guy on the official ASOIAF forum called Lujo who was mocking-to-insulting Martin on the grounds how much influence of Elric is in his text and how supposedly character of Tyrion is so obvious expy of Miles VorKosigan from VorKosigan saga and Catelyn is based on Miles´ mother Cordelia. I talked to him and said how if you are using this logic, you might also come to conclusion that Euron Greyjoy might be read as expy of "On Stranger Tides " villains and he answered me with statement closed by words "Its just like I said. Martin decided to "homage" to his favorite stuff which also happens to be everebody else´s favorite stuff, because it is classic."

[@basileusbasil4041]

Those tunnels only get more fucking crazy

[@dennisyoungblood1068]

I'm listening to "To Green Angel Tower" now, and I'm loving the series. Simeon the Dragon Burnt is kinda badass lol

[@randominternetguyoffical]

I haven't gotten past the first book yet. I really need to get back to listening to the series I've just been caught up with non fiction stuff recently and haven't had much time.

[@dennisyoungblood1068]

@@randominternetguyoffical if you're still on the first book, then you haven't even seen the "Dothraki" people. They are Horse Lords who do everything under the sky

[@crashman1344]

You forgot to mention the red comets.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Very true!

[@ZoidbergCZ]

Luwin and Bran echoe Morgenes and Simon so much.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

They do indeed!

[@subodeibaghatur4300]

More!!!

[@randominternetguyoffical]

I know right, I really need to get back to the series XD If you want some more mst x asoiaf stuff tho, I was actually introduced to the series and became curious about it because of watching Kevin Pendragonss videos. I would definitely recommend checking out his works on it and asoiaf.

[@jkelsey555]

Have you read Accursed Kings? I read it because GRRM suggested it, and I think it's the most similar thing to ASOIAF

[@randominternetguyoffical]

So I have the books.. but I've been horribly lazy and haven't read them lol I have been told about some of the crazy cross over tho. Whats the biggest crossover from AK in your mind??

[@jkelsey555]

@@randominternetguyoffical Well the 17 year gap between books and horrible reception the final novel got obviously (just kidding I hope). But in seriousness, probably just the POV and narrative style. It has "main" characters, but no main character, and it hops around from place to place, in a world that feels real and interconnected. Like how in ASOIAF, there might be a boat in Braavos, that's later in Maidenpool, little things like that. Basically it feels like ASOIAF, less magic, in the "real" world but takes place over decades. Although the first 4 novels are close together like ASOIAF

[@CryBenihime23]

Really loved this video! Would love to hear your thoughts on the series as a whole.

[@randominternetguyoffical]

I need to get back to reading it! Unfortunately I put it down and then never picked it back up 😂

[@Oldmaninthestream]

Mooncalf miracles really do happen.

[@christianbaker3564]

I wish he was inspired to finish his own books 🤷‍♀️

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Lmao, don't we all XD To be fair I think we will get Winds in a year or so. GRRM has a good decade let in those old bones surely.

[@subodeibaghatur4300]

😂😂😂😂

[@lars68764]

@@randominternetguyofficalThis did not age well 😂😂😂

[@randominternetguyoffical]

@@lars68764 I mean he's not dead right? Im hopin he still pulls through on Winds XD

[@arthurcosta9482]

Who is Norns and what they want??What's their story? I can't read english so well

[@godskingssages4724]

He admits this but the story he literally stole is The Wheel of Time

[@randominternetguyoffical]

Have yet to read Wheel, but I will say that he pulls from enough different places that he's created a quit of great works for us nerds to take a look at! Gonna need to put Wheel on the list cuz its been recommended so many times

[@Belkerlos]

Geez Thanks for spoiling key character reveals

[@randominternetguyoffical]

No worries citizen, were here to help! 👍